Name a single game whose narrative has had any impact on culture the way a book or movie has
Okay.
Mixtape
>>738839626That book is genuinely terribly paced, I'd say most story based games surpass it.
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>>738839626Final Fantasy VIICheckmate
>>738839626If you care about culture at all you're a woman.Cultures are made to be destroyed not maintained, sissy boy.
>>738839626undertale
>>738839626Moby Dick is only interesting because the author is severely autistic, not because it's actually good.It's basically Chris chan of books, and retard who pretend it's some kind of literature masterpiece is a larp who haven't read it.
>>738839935Moby Dick is only about 50% literature. The other 50% is essentially a Wikipedia article about the whaling industry.
>>738839626you are assuming story telling is dialogue or written shitVideo games don't need to do that they can do whatever the fuck they want they also generate a bigger impact on the player because its a physically personal experience you are not a passive observer and what happens in the game is real
>>738839626>Moby Dick>cultural impactThe only cultural significance it still has is maintained by gacha shit. All movie adaptations were complete garbage made for a cash grab. The only reason amerimutts remembered it is that it's part of their school curriculum.That being said. It's pretty solid 7/10 book.
>>738839626Videogames have a very different narrative presentation to them; when people try to compare videogames to literature or film of course they're not going to have the same strong linear narratives. It's like complaining that Oedipus Rex is bad because the chorus explains the plot that happens rather than having a show don't tell approach.>Name a single game whose narrative has had any impact on culture the way a book or movie hasVideogames in general have shaped modern language in a very interesting way. Look at how people use terms such as quests or glitches or NPCs or whatever in regular speech.
>>738840086>The other 50% is essentially a Wikipedia article about the whaling industry.Writing that well is the impressive part, you really are 12 years old
>>738839626The only thing that book has done is to train AI to use em dashes
>>738839626Its too early to discuss cultural impact of french revolution, why the fuck would i discuss cultural impact of bing bing wahoo. Give it few more decades
>>738840413>Wikipedia>Written well
>>738839626I think the issue is that you have two problems, One is we have gotten into a modern era where videogames are no longer niche or fringe activity which is entangled with social media and internet so there is kind of an expecation and research of any videogame we are going to buy and play meaning every fucking game is going to be focus tested and compared to every other game that came before it. Its highly unlikely you are going to see another Diablo or World of Warcraft phenomena as we have already essentially played everything and every feature or story telling element is somewhat familiar, there in lies the problem in that you have a medium that isnt a book which hasnt really changed in 800 years but the main objective of making a game is for the investors to make money off of it so the bottom line is that this game is going to have to pander to the lowest common denominator and not be a work of passion.Starcraft for example had a great story which wasnt really written by artists but was more worked on by everyone at the company and was a collaborative effort of a bunch of nerds. I think a major problem is that the entire environement surrounding game devolopment has changed towards a total inorganic market driven process rather than a game made for the fun of its makers as well as passionately creating something they want to make. This could also in part deal with the fact that modern tech can only revolutionize so far until we get beyond the current medium and really go into stuff like brain to computer interfaces and virtual reality as a medium. I think the other issue again is a book is a book which hasnt changed really since ever, the first book ever made is the same structurally as the last book you will read while gaming has a technological scientific element in it that is compounded by market forces and social environment that currently is limiting creativity.
loldick
>>738839626Mass effect, both in negatively referencing the 3 different colored endings and asking the ghosts if honor matters sticking with people so much
>>738839626Video games are a great medium for storytelling, but nobody uses it well. Everyone who tries just ends up making a fucking moviegame>hasn't been done yetDisagree but also not an argument
>>738840367>Look at how people use terms such as quests or glitches or NPCs or whatever in regular speech.Pressing F to pay respects too
>>738839816Movie>>738839828Movie
>implying the mainstream market will engage with a narrative powerful enough to impact culture
>>738840086And about 25% is about a faggot lusting after sailors
>>738840302The phrase "white whale" being used still proves by itself that it has lasting cultural significance. The book is ingrained in our culture to some degree.
>>738839626The Last of Us (original)Spawned an HBO show that millions of normies watched
Honestly though, I don't things are going to have "cultural significance" in the same way as the past couple centuries. Media doesn't work the same anymore. You're not likely to have great novels that are remembered 100 years from now and change language, and you're not going to have a new Michael Jackson. Death of the monoculture and all that.
>>738840896the last of us is dogshit by video game standards if anything it speaks of how shitty television is
>it's another episode of a faux /lit/fag feigning intelligence by putting books and movies on a pedestalbonus points if OP can't actually name the strengths of both mediums
>>738840946We don't even really have real movie stars anymore. Nobody new, anyway.We have ecelebs, but they're their own (mr) beast.
>>738839626Never seen a book to get people to play a game. Only exception is Cthulhu related stuff but even then it is often stories people already knew. I had seen games though unironically got people to go and read old ass books though just to know the source.
>>738840649This is all true of course. The thing games have going, is that this same money focus, has given market penetration, which means reach. >>738839626 is asking for impact? Quality isn't part of impact. Twilight and 50 shades had impact. Oh you want Uncle Tom's Cabin impact? That's something else, and had nothing to do with the quality of writing. Personal impact is hard to quantify, but we often hear of people saying games got them through a hard time.In fact, lemme tell you a little secret. Through my work, I spoke to a bunch of psychologists, and they said the best health care app they know is Candy Crush, because most of their suicidal patients use it to distract themselves from thoughts telling them to off themselves. That's a huge impact. Definitely not tied to the quality of the work, difficult to quantify, but definitely impactful. Would I rather they had the sense to distract themselves with Super Hexagon or Into the Breach? Sure, but this is good too.
>trannymaifag has a braindead opinionwow! color me shocked
>>738839626Clair Obscur 33
>>738839937yuropoor...
>>738839626Deus Ex
Max Payne
>>738839626Games are good at telling simple stories. Especially when they are character driven.
super mario bros on the nes
>>738839626Video games only have been around for like 30 years.You cant really measure the impact on culture right now
>>738841030Don't care. OP asked for a game that had good storytelling and left a cultural impact, not necessarily a game with good gameplay.
Muh dick
>>738839626Starfield stealth thread
Wait a few decades and Xenogears will be studied in university courses
>>738841290>OP asked for a game that had good storytelling>movie game>good story tellingwithout the show no one would remember it
resident evil 1-3
>>738841275>Video games only have been around for like 30 years.Anon, I...Though I assume you're saying games with complicated narratives are younger than that.
>>738841290>left a cultural impactTLOU is just Walking dead + The road.Or was before Cuckmann perverted it
>>738841339these don't count they have no story and very little gameplay
The book market has been declining for decades. There have barely been any good fantasy or sci-fi books for the past two decades let alone good literary fiction, while gaming is still doing relatively well.
>>738841315It already is I'm sure, just in game specific courses.
>>738839879I dislike it, like I dislike many classics(heart of darkness I especially loathe.) But OP's premise was cultural impact, not quality of story.Moby Dick is an excellent example of a book that has made that, because in the english-speaking world, at least, "gotta get your white whale" has become an enduring idiom.
>>738841243I love Max Payne but I don't think it really has wide cultural impact to the average person. The comic book/graphic novel storytelling was cool, but I feel like other games did it first. Also apparently the Mark Wahlberg movie was bad. The character/plot seemed heavily inspired by The Punisher, a character that has had more impact in the world to the point law enforcement and military wear his symbol.
>>738841418This. Games are more culturally relevant than books, music, or movies these days. Gaming won.
>>738839626Like it or not, undertale has definitely had a greater influence in storytelling, both in and out of videogames, globally than moby dick hasBait aside, videogames are an interactive medium and so presenting a narrative like a book just makes them a knockoff book. The way undertale hides secrets in its world and even the files of the game definitely captured millions, fans and imitatiors alike.I'm going to put Undertale, FNAF (or Slenderman), and maybe Disco Elysium in this tier for having been influential enough to define how stories are told in video games enough to spawn a genre.Also something something death of the monoculture
>>738840868HEY! LISTEN! There you go, by your own standards that's "embedded".
>>738839626You're saying proof of being a medium for storytelling is being memed culturally like Star Wars or The Big Bang Theory (your words, not mine). Adding to that, it has to be the narrative that impacts culture. This excludes Undertale and Mario because the narrative has to be brought up. That depends on whether you count "wahoo" as part of the storytelling of SMB, however.. "Wahoo" is memed a lot.For the narrative to be mentioned and not just the game, it's usually a twist. Therefore, FF. The Tidus laugh. "Dumbledore dies and Aerith dies lol". A game is mentioned alongside a book and books are ofc the epitome of storytelling. You can't beat this.
>>738841432no, it's still about quality, OP is just using cultural impact as the backbone
>>738840302American oxygen was named after moby dick
>>738841443I dont even understand thsi thread there a gorillion old movies that had impact and advanced cinema but the overwhelmingly majority of young to young adults dont even know they existAre you judging cultural impact by zoomer standards?
>>738841487I agree that Ocarina of Time is also culturally significant and had a big impact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-KEuSt0lZII'm not OP btw, I was just saying that Moby Dick had an enduring influence on our culture. We'll see if people 100 years from now recognize Navi or not. They'll recognize Link I'm sure.
>>738841328Maybe to normies. The original was immensely hyped before release and both games across all the versions have sold over 37 million copies.>Movie gameIs this supposed to help your point? Movie games inherently place more emphasis on story and are more cinematic than gameplay focused games.>>738841367>TLOU is just Walking dead + The road.Ok? At this point in the arts/storytelling nearly everything has been influenced by past works. It is near impossible to create a new work that hasn't been influenced by something similar before it.
>>738841568>Is this supposed to help your point? Movie games inherently place more emphasis on story and are more cinematic than gameplay focused games.No you dont understand video games the story MUST be told through gameplay or they must be reflected in some way in the gameplay mechanics each genre has a different ruleset but the point still standsAfter the og god of war came out every studio was making cinematic shit with QTEs everyone unanimously hated it because it was a shit minigame that wasnt in tune with the gameplay mechanics I dont even understand why people who never touched a video game post
>>738841534Ok and I don't really understand the point you are trying to make either with this reply. Besides just that old works that advanced their medium in their time may not be appreciated anymore by current generations.>Are you judging cultural impact by zoomer standards?Nope. I'm an older zoomer who played and completed the original Max Payne, dabbled with Max Payne 3, and I still know that across all the generations not a whole lot of people know about the games and it hasn't really left a mark in the broader culture. Which doesn't take away from it being a good series, I'm just putting it in the context of OP's question.
>>738841686BrUH back in the day max payne was hugeyou are judging impact by zoomer shit minecraft/fortnite/Skyrim/FO3 etc
>>738841772Max Payne was big back in the day, but I don't know if it was ever truly huge. Big enough to get a movie with Mark Wahlberg. Popular game with cultural significance among gamers at the time, but not like Mortal Kombat or Tomb Raider significance.
>>738841828>Max Payne was big back in the day, but I don't know if it was ever truly hugeVirtually everyone played it and virtually everyone hated on MP3. I dont give a shit about movies
>>738841828Also Max Payne got some secondary Matrix cultural impact. Bullet Time was the shit back then, I don't know if zoomies even realize how cool we thought it was.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3NLa4ebX4E
>>738841658>After the og god of war came out every studio was making cinematic shit with QTEs everyone unanimously hated it because it was a shit minigame that wasnt in tune with the gameplay mechanics Yes, I remember that shitty trend. But TLOU's gameplay storytelling works through survival mechanics, improvised crafting, stealth, fighting other human factions, etc. It is far more than just QTEs. They all fit the overall survival-horror theme.>I dont even understand why people who never touched a video game postYou can go fuck yourself then, you sweaty nerd. I tracked it on backloggd, I have completed over a 100 single player games in my life and played hundreds, if not thousands more of all genres and play styles.
>>738840868Yeah, you are kind of right in that regard. Main metric I use for cultural impact is amount of fan works. But this one is quite fair as well.Although I would argue that Video Games are still in their infant stage as an art form. They didn't exist long enough for us to see if some of the phrases/quotes/memes would have lasting power like that.Closest I can think of is "despite everything, it's still you", which kind of breached containment and became a thing of its own. There probably are some other phrases/memes that I simply don't think of as something that originates from video games.
>>738841849I agree with you, I'm just ranking it against all time huge games. It was definitely a big deal.
>>738841772>BrUH back in the day max payne was huge >you are judging impact by zoomer shit minecraft/fortnite/Skyrim/FO3 etcNo, I'm really not. I'm basing it on OP's premise of a game's narrative having a wider cultural impact the way a book or film has. Max Payne never had that to the general public. I'm sorry you don't understand the basic premise of the thread, but you don't have to strawman me over that.
that's because you're comparing the stories in games to books like a stupid fucking nigger. videos are literally just movies game stuff in between cut scenes.
>>738841969Yeah, for the sake of this thread it has to be things that people who don't even play games can recognize. In the same way most people haven't actually read Moby Dick, but can recognize references to it. So stuff like Mario.
>>738841879>Yes, I remember that shitty trend. But TLOU's gameplay storytelling works through survival mechanics, improvised crafting, stealth, fighting other human factions, etc. It is far more than just QTEs. They all fit the overall survival-horror theme.Everything is extremly basic and surface level and super scripted and also super linear there isnt much for the player to do its the same shit with the uncharted series its closer to an interactive movie than to a game. Compare it with actual games like silent hill or resident evil>>738841918>I agree with you, I'm just ranking it against all time huge games. It was definitely a big deal.No your knowledge comes from zoomer shit . Deus ex is huge too how many people now outside from this board know it exist? HR was dogshit yet people praised it when it came out>>738841969You are measuring impact by zoomer standards
>>738841896>Although I would argue that Video Games are still in their infant stage as an art form. They didn't exist long enough for us to see if some of the phrases/quotes/memes would have lasting power like that.Yeah, it's hard to compare it all with a book from 1851. Will people still be quoting Undertale in 2189? Who knows. I bet some 2078 game is going to get all the attention.
It's a trick question. You're asking if a game impacted "culture" (movies). But games are themselves culture. Therefore, if a game influences another game, it has impacted culture- more than if it influenced movies. Tautologically, you could say a game influences itself.
>>738842063>Everything is extremly basic and surface level and super scripted and also super linear there isnt much for the player to do its the same shit with the uncharted series its closer to an interactive movie than to a game. Compare it with actual games like silent hill or resident evil.>Gatekeeping "actual" survival-horror gamesLiterally the way you just described TLOU gameplay fits recent Resident Evil games perfectly. I don't know as much about Silent Hill but the gameplay I've seen really doesn't look that deep, bud. The storytelling for Silent Hill is superb though. Resident Evil storytelling is decent but the plots are ridiculous.>You are measuring impact by zoomer standards>If I repeat something enough it will be true
>>738842083There are not many books (if any) from the past 50 years that would get "memes" in the future eitherNo, people remembering movie adaptations of books doesnt count
Some things were big but don't get any attention and seem to have faded from our cultural memory. Li'l Abner for example. Those comics were huge when they were new, now nobody talks about it.
>>738839626Darkest Dungeon had a cultural impact to match any book or a movie, given that it is regularly quoted by people that had never played it. You're a gigantic faggot and so are the lest of litshits that never apply the same standards to videogames that they apply to their bookslop. Kill yourself.
>>738839626Why is a book about a dick that's moby treated as classic literature?
>>738842241True. Stuff like Harry Potter is remembered for the books as much as the movies. Hard to judge when every big book gets a movie adaption, but tons of people actually read the books.
>>738842261>Darkest Dungeon had a cultural impact to match any book or a movie, given that it is regularly quoted by people that had never played it.I am 24/7 online and I have never seen it quoted ever
>>738842221>fits recent Resident Evil games perfectly.No it doesnt its semi opentheres inventory managementyou have to figure out puzzlesyou have to collect itemsyou cannot shoot everything in sightPlots in video games are NEVER ridiculous so long theres a premis a justification and the game doesnt contradict itself. You can make a game about absolutely anything and it would never be retarded.>If I repeat something enough it will be trueSkyrim when it came out was so massive everyone was memeing and people even got tattos about the knee shitportal became the first meme game with the cake is a lie which was everywhere across the internetZoomers dont even know the games exist. You know nothing about anything and you keep posting why
>>738842326>Zoomers dont even know the games exist.Thus making those games fail the test.
>>738839626Video games are the objectively best medium for storytelling because a narrative you can't influence is inherently uninteresting.
>>738842348>games had a huge impact to the point they shaped internet culture for a decade >it doesnt count because zoomers today dont know shit We are back again. You know nothing about anything and yet keep posting Any book series that isnt harry potter and LOTR also don't have an impact right
Anyone else looking forward to the next Mastodon album?
>>738842443Also at TF2s peak people were making thousands of meme videos in gmod to the point valve ended up developing the source film maker which then got used almost exclusively to make porn
>>738842326>No it doesnt its semi openThat's also in TLOU>theres inventory managementAlso in TLOU>you have to figure out puzzlesAlso in TLOU>you have to collect itemsAlso in TLOU>you cannot shoot everything in sight IrrelevantHave you ever even played TLOU?>Plots in video games are NEVER ridiculous so long theres a premis a justification and the game doesnt contradict itself. You can make a game about absolutely anything and it would never be retarded.Absolute bullshit and cope. Resident Evil 6's plot was retarded, for example.>Skyrim when it came out was so massive everyone was memeing and people even got tattos about the knee shit >portal became the first meme game with the cake is a lie which was everywhere across the internet >Zoomers dont even know the games exist. You know nothing about anything and you keep posting whyI literally played and completed both of those games and am a zoomer. Sorry you are some butthurt basedlennial or Gen-Xer but you can't paint all zoomers the same. You are thinking of Gen Alphas, kids born around or after Skyrim even released.I know far more than you think and you just keep coping and posting lies. Fleeting internet memes aren't comparable to the cultural impact a famous piece of literature or cinema will have on normies and pop culture.
>>738840030Retard[The cabin; by the stern windows; Ahab sitting alone, and gazing out.] I leave a white and turbid wake; pale waters, paler cheeks, where’er I sail. The envious billows sidelong swell to whelm my track; let them; but first I pass.Yonder, by ever-brimming goblet’s rim, the warm waves blush like wine. The gold brow plumbs the blue. The diver sun—slow dived from noon—goes down; my soul mounts up! she wearies with her endless hill. Is, then, the crown too heavy that I wear? this Iron Crown of Lombardy. Yet is it bright with many a gem; I the wearer, see not its far flashings; but darkly feel that I wear that, that dazzlingly confounds. ’Tis iron—that I know—not gold. ’Tis split, too—that I feel; the jagged edge galls me so, my brain seems to beat against the solid metal; aye, steel skull, mine; the sort that needs no helmet in the most brain-battering fight!Dry heat upon my brow? Oh! time was, when as the sunrise nobly spurred me, so the sunset soothed. No more. This lovely light, it lights not me; all loveliness is anguish to me, since I can ne’er enjoy. Gifted with the high perception, I lack the low, enjoying power; damned, most subtly and most malignantly! damned in the midst of Paradise! Good night—good night! (waving his hand, he moves from the window.)
>>738842443>We are back again. You know nothing about anything and yet keep postingThat was a different anon you retard>Any book series that isnt harry potter and LOTR also don't have an impact rightEh, maybe ASOIAF but that's about the only comparable fantasy book series in terms of clout and relevance today. Fantasy fans would know more like Wheel of Time but it doesn't have the same impact and the Amazon adaptation failed.
i had more fun reading fantasy books than reading classics
>>738841130Nigger Spirits got me into reading and set up the foundation for me to be able to enjoy Tommy Pinecone.
>>738842696Which classics exactly? Did you fall for the 19th century realism meme?
>>738842610Its not near close to being the same as in RE or Silent hill. IN TLOU YOu go through corridors to corridors and advance forward thats it thats the whole game every time you engage with something is scripted or theres virtually no room to do anything and in between set peices you get a bunch of cutscenes or scripted events. Even little things like tank controls make a huge difference. TLOU mechanically is nonexistant. Its order of magnitudes more impactful to shoot several time a shitty zombie in resident evil than is to do some cinematic takedown or whatever garbageThe og resident evil and silent hills are 1000x better than TLOU garbage> Resident Evil 6's plot was retarded,i dont know the plot but it probably violates one of the things i said if thats the case.You can make a game about anything and it would work. I dont know if you can do the same in othe rmediums>I literally played and completed both of those games and am a zoomer. Sorry you are some butthurt basedlennial or Gen-Xer but you can't paint all zoomers the same. You are thinking of Gen Alphas, kids born around or after Skyrim even released.I know far more than you think and you just keep coping and posting lies. Fleeting internet memes aren't comparable to the cultural impact a famous piece of literature or cinema will have on normies and pop culture.I dont give a shit my point stands at the time they were massive . Skyrim was so popular they kept rereleasing it over and overYou dont know shit about anything and keep posting for no reason other than you are a butthurt retard>>738842690>Eh, maybe ASOIAF but that's about the only comparable fantasy book series in terms of clout and relevance today. Fantasy fans would know more like Wheel of Time but it doesn't have Im not even going to bother to keep teh conversation going. Theres no point.In 10 years 99% of the games from today will be forgotten
>>738841119Whatabout Timmy Chalamet
>>738842853i am a SEA nigga so i didn't get to read western classics that much. I recently read a tale of two cities and catch-22. While I think they’re both good books I probably would have enjoyed myself more if I had read some fantasy instead.
>>738839626I'm pretty sure League of Legends and dota has ruined the culture of lots of countries and has impacted hundreds of millions of people Also moby dick is a dogshit book
>>738842912>Im not even going to bother to keep teh conversation going. Theres no point.In 10 years 99% of the games from today will be forgottenGood, I accept your concession.Also see pic related.
>>738843107its not a concession your standards are retarded and dogshit. You are going to keep repeating yourself instead of actually arguing because you can't
what stupid threadgames have the stories written for them and their quality has nothing to do with the medium
The Dick of Death
>>738843621>The Dick of DeathThat's just Gravity's Rainbow
the problem with books is they're all grandfathered in to "esteem" by boomers who tell you they're good because they're good.Meanwhile you read a "classic"and realize it'd get eviscerated if it were released today.
>>738842646And all you had to do was get through the 20 or so pages of the author listing off all the features that distinguish between a Sperm Whale and a Right Whale, and the history of whale sightings in all of the world's literature first before you could actually get to some good fucking prose
>>738839626>Name a single game whose narrative has had any impact on culture the way a book or movie haswhat cultural impact has a novel or movie had on culture today? black hawk down might be worth more than the entire european literary canon, i guess.
>>738839626Do you want a full alphabetical list or just the greatest hits
>>738842083do you think people will still be doing fortnite dances in 100 years?
>>738839626Because video games has to factor in gameplay. Bioshock would've been better as a book. But instead they make it some stupid first person shooter where you just shoot drug addicts all day. It detracts from the story if you ask me.
>>738843843Why do people who dont play video games posti dont understand
>>738840656How do you even get Dick from Richard?
>>738843787Nearly every single page is filled to the brim with beauty. Melville constantly changes his style; it's not always Shakespearean as with Ahab, but he's always conscious of the style. From his mighty bulk the whale affords a most congenial theme whereon to enlarge, amplify, and generally expatiate. Would you, you could not compress him. By good rights he should only be treated of in imperial folio. Not to tell over again his furlongs from spiracle to tail, and the yards he measures about the waist; only think of the gigantic involutions of his intestines, where they lie in him like great cables and hawsers coiled away in the subterranean orlop-deck of a line-of-battle-ship.Since I have undertaken to manhandle this Leviathan, it behooves me to approve myself omnisciently exhaustive in the enterprise; not overlooking the minutest seminal germs of his blood, and spinning him out to the uttermost coil of his bowels. Having already described him in most of his present habitatory and anatomical peculiarities, it now remains to magnify him in an archæological, fossiliferous, and antediluvian point of view. Applied to any other creature than the Leviathan—to an ant or a flea—such portly terms might justly be deemed unwarrantably grandiloquent. But when Leviathan is the text, the case is altered. Fain am I to stagger to this emprise under the weightiest words of the dictionary. And here be it said, that whenever it has been convenient to consult one in the course of these dissertations, I have invariably used a huge quarto edition of Johnson, expressly purchased for that purpose; because that famous lexicographer’s uncommon personal bulk more fitted him to compile a lexicon to be used by a whale author like me.
>>738839626You could cut Moby Dick in half and the story wouldn't change.The entire mid-section is filler.>>738840413You clearly haven't read the book if you think those parts are well written lol
>>738843862Im playing a game right now nigger I like fromsofts formula if telling the story through lootAlso in destiny 1 they did that too. People complained the story was too cryptic because they didn't read the lore they found on the dead ghosts
>>738843787>>738843915One often hears of writers that rise and swell with their subject, though it may seem but an ordinary one. How, then, with me, writing of this Leviathan? Unconsciously my chirography expands into placard capitals. Give me a condor’s quill! Give me Vesuvius’ crater for an inkstand! Friends, hold my arms! For in the mere act of penning my thoughts of this Leviathan, they weary me, and make me faint with their outreaching comprehensiveness of sweep, as if to include the whole circle of the sciences, and all the generations of whales, and men, and mastodons, past, present, and to come, with all the revolving panoramas of empire on earth, and throughout the whole universe, not excluding its suburbs. Such, and so magnifying, is the virtue of a large and liberal theme! We expand to its bulk. To produce a mighty book, you must choose a mighty theme. No great and enduring volume can ever be written on the flea, though many there be who have tried it.
>CULTURE>MATTERSKYS "ART"FAG
>>738840086hell yeah dude, a wikipedia article made 150 years before wikipedia even existed. Isn't that fucking rad
>>738839626hehehehehehehehehehehe dick lol
>>738839626More like SmellvilleLMAO
>>738843920But as if this vast local power in the tendinous tail were not enough, the whole bulk of the leviathan is knit over with a warp and woof of muscular fibres and filaments, which passing on either side the loins and running down into the flukes, insensibly blend with them, and largely contribute to their might; so that in the tail the confluent measureless force of the whole whale seems concentrated to a point. Could annihilation occur to matter, this were the thing to do it. Nor does this—its amazing strength, at all tend to cripple the graceful flexion of its motions; where infantileness of ease undulates through a Titanism of power. On the contrary, those motions derive their most appalling beauty from it. Real strength never impairs beauty or harmony, but it often bestows it; and in everything imposingly beautiful, strength has much to do with the magic. Take away the tied tendons that all over seem bursting from the marble in the carved Hercules, and its charm would be gone. As devout Eckerman lifted the linen sheet from the naked corpse of Goethe, he was overwhelmed with the massive chest of the man, that seemed as a Roman triumphal arch. When Angelo paints even God the Father in human form, mark what robustness is there. And whatever they may reveal of the divine love in the Son, the soft, curled, hermaphroditical Italian pictures, in which his idea has been most successfully embodied; these pictures, so destitute as they are of all brawniness, hint nothing of any power, but the mere negative, feminine one of submission and endurance, which on all hands it is conceded, form the peculiar practical virtues of his teachings.Such is the subtle elasticity of the organ I treat of, that whether wielded in sport, or in earnest, or in anger, whatever be the mood it be in, its flexions are invariably marked by exceeding grace. Therein no fairy’s arm can transcend it.
>>738843927You complain about the gameplayin video gamesIt makes no sense at all. From soft design is lazy as shit its the same with metroid series
That is wrong. Video games have the highest potential and the most diverse methods of storytelling due to the layers they have over films / books like interactivity , player agency, non-linearity, emergent storytelling. There's just so much more you can do with it. There are amazing examples of what you can do with videogames. However there are things holding video games back, I think the main part is they were always seen as either for kids or losers. I don't necessarily agree with this but it's very hard to convince intelligent high functioning adults that playing video games for hours on end is a good use of your time. Or a real hobby. So that idea of video games severely limits the audience as well as the people making the games. Not a lot of intellegent people play video games, and not a lot of them make video game as a result.The other thing is the general cultural decline. Every media terrible and getting worse, so even though video games are really popular it doesnt matter because we live a the twilight of this culture
>>738841130My friend started playing WH40k because he read the books first.
>>738841143This fucking floored me when I first watched it.
>>738844108I complained about how a stroy had to compromise with gameplay and thats why video games don't really have good writing. Because of compromise.
>>738841485They played Megalovania to the freaking pope for heaven's sake
>>738839626Moby Dick, notable for not being impactful on release amd taking decades to be appreciated.
>>738841143>Uncle Tom's Cabin impact? That's something else, and had nothing to do with the quality of writing.Uncle Tom's Cabin is better than Shakespeare.
>>738839626>why yes i just turned 3X, decided i've out grown video games (because i refuse to venture out of my comfort zone) and need a hobby that reflects my newfound "maturity">i wonder what my first book will be...
>>738839626havent games only existed like 1/100th the amount of time books have? seems like a weird comparison
>>738844106Now post the shit pages.
>>738844169>I complained about how a stroy had to compromise with gameplay and thats why video games don't really have good writing. Because of compromise.theres no compromise to be made at all the story telling is every single element on the game manifested through the gameplay mechanics. What you see in the screen is a visual representation of whats happening its never going to be 1:1 reality and it shouldn't unless you are making a simulator, it can be less or more abstract it doesn't matter. There could be compromises like in for example in WW2 shooters you dont have to manuall pick up each health kit with touching it you instantly but in a game less abstract you would have to manually heal which could take time but this is accounted for in the gameplay too.etc
>>738844292I can only think of the 2nd half of Cetology. I loved everything else.
>>738839626Morbid Dick, also>imapctYou can see traces of popular games' writing and story elements across all recent media, and I'm not talking about adaptations. These bits can be traced back to older games, movies, literature, music, theatrical plays, etc. It's natural because all art is essentially regurgitation of itself.
>>738839626FFXIV
>>738844403So you loved all the long chapters in the middle of the book, where literally no plot developments happen, and no characters speak with one another?So you loved the long-winded, drawn out drivel about the inns and outs of how to tie knots, and how the sails are wrapped away? And learning about the whale trade in excessive detail, even tho it literally never comes up in a plot-significant way?That's remarkable.
>>738844295That would be fine if not for the fact that many games have story and gameplay segregation. For example in dynasty warriors, in gameplay you are fightinf thousands of people all the time but in cutscenes most characters are weak jobbers just so that the story can play. Or like how Nathan Drake is a boyscout in the story of Uncharted but he murders people nonchalantly in gameplay segments. Very few games actually bother to tie in the gameplay to the storytelling.
>>738839626higurashi
>>738839626One man in the entire industry is proving OP wrong
>>738844567>That would be fine if not for the fact that many games have story and gameplay segregation.the gameplay is abstract and is made to think you perceive things in a certain way. In alot of games you mihgt trash the boss but the nlose in teh cutscene. In mario games you go to a castle but the castle is just a bunch of platforms and lava pits
>>738844614I invented STORY
>>738844426it usually takes decades desu for the impact to be apparent.For example, it's pretty common for other mediums to associate video games with icons like mario, pacman and tetris. But how many non-vidya media for example reference elden ring or sekiro? or Monster Hunter? Even gaming legends like say Undertale is largely culturally irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It will probably take a couple decades more for them to be fully integrated into the zeitgeist just like how LoTR or Lovecraft have codified their own respective genres.
>>738844531>So you loved the long-winded, drawn out drivel about the inns and outs of how to tie knots, and how the sails are wrapped away? And learning about the whale trade in excessive detail, even tho it literally never comes up in a plot-significant way?Yes. And I don't give a shit about whales or whaling. You can easily choose any passage at random, and you'll encounter Melville's remarkable prose.What other marvels might have been rummaged out of this monstrous cabinet there is no telling. But a sudden stop was put to further discoveries, by the ship’s being unprecedentedly dragged over sideways to the sea, owing to the body’s immensely increasing tendency to sink. However, Starbuck, who had the ordering of affairs, hung on to it to the last; hung on to it so resolutely, indeed, that when at length the ship would have been capsized, if still persisting in locking arms with the body; then, when the command was given to break clear from it, such was the immovable strain upon the timber-heads to which the fluke-chains and cables were fastened, that it was impossible to cast them off. Meantime everything in the Pequod was aslant. To cross to the other side of the deck was like walking up the steep gabled roof of a house. The ship groaned and gasped. Many of the ivory inlayings of her bulwarks and cabins were started from their places, by the unnatural dislocation. In vain handspikes and crows were brought to bear upon the immovable fluke-chains, to pry them adrift from the timberheads; and so low had the whale now settled that the submerged ends could not be at all approached, while every moment whole tons of ponderosity seemed added to the sinking bulk, and the ship seemed on the point of going over.
>>738844726>YesThanks for confirming you have shit taste.You can stop spamming the thread now
>>738844765And what is YOUR taste?
>>738844656in order for enemies to be in a way or another have to have things that make them be. For example sometimes in call of duty you have to cross an invisible line for enemies to stop spawning you dont perceive those infinite spawn as real soldiers
