It's been a few years now, was it truly that insulting for pikmin fans?
No, it was better than 3 actually
>>738860369Yep pikmin 4>AH ANON YOU LOST A SINGLE PIKMIN IM GONNA SHOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN TO TELL YOU TO GO BACK IN TIME IMMEDIATELYsure is the absolute>AIEEEEE A TINY LEDGE TIME TO GO BACK AND GET THE CORPORATE-MANDATED CUTE MASCOT TO JUMP UP ITpeak of the series>OH BETTER GO BACK TO THE ONION AND TRADE OUT ALL OF ONE TYPE BECAUSE I CANT BE TRUSTED TO HANDLE FOUR TYPES OF PIKMIN EVEN ON HARD MODEand i cannot wait to see the next game and would never think that the series is dead to me
>>738860662go be an obnoxious faggot on twitter where you belong
Yes it shitted in the face of 1 and 2GODS, completely ruined the story, environment and ambience of the og games. It's the ACNH of the series, trying so hard to attract a larger audience it feels like a parody of itself And the dog can kill itself
>>738860238No? It had some hitches but it was a great game.There was actually so much pikmin in that game I actually got my fill. Though now I am getting the urge to replay all of them now
>>738860708Keep eating up that goyslop tendie
>>738860238yes and I consider it generally offensive to anyone who is more than 5 years old. Never before have I felt that a game has such little respect for the intelligence of the player.
Oh this is just a shitpost thread
>>738860930No I genuinely wants to discuss what went wrong with the game because it's pretty bad as a Pikmin game
>>738860787Compared to most games it's great but it's shit compared to every other pikmin game (outside of Hey! Pikmin) I can't stand what they did to the characters andthe planet
>Pikmin 1 aad 2 had a cool system where ennemies would change depending on the day, sometimes drastically if you got to certain area early/later. Ennemies would only respawn after a few days so it felt alive>Pikmin 4 doesn't ecen have ennemies respawn so maps (that are soulless compared to 1 and 2 and 3) are just wasteland>The dog is a terrible gimmick>You can just skip night mission and not play them if you don't feel like it? >Pikmin 2'a tutorial was made fun for being talkative. So 4 outdid it so much I litteraly never want to replay it>Said dialogue is as bland as possible,every chatacter being nice guy#23 with one quirk>All othet games had pretty good well established characters, everyone loves Olimar, Louis and the president (the guys from 3 are fine too I liked the bitch and captain) I could go on, it's not terrible but I hope the series doesn't get a new game for a while of itsthe new direction for it. I played 1 squared recently and it's so fucking good btw
>>738860827you're a subhuman gamecube tranny. your opinion is irrelevant
1 = 2 >>3 >POWERGAP (but still pretty good)> 4
I'm autistic so i'm pissed off they fucked over the timeline but outside of that it's fine, not as good as the other games but still good
enemies not respawning was a pretty crazy decision
I liked 3 but I have zero interest in 4
>>738862102Says the switch tranny kek
>1 script was censored on switch>2 script was censored on switch>4 have a basic shitty scriptWhat went wrong?
>>738860238It wasn't insulting at all. The change in "narrative" on /v/ surrounding the game comes down to the fact that people who hate shit have a lot more energy to keep that candle burning in comparison to people who enjoyed it having the energy to constantly defend it from the same criticisms over and over again.
>>738863475More like a SNES chad. The gamecube was dogshit and the Switch is way better than the Gamecube
>>738863754It wasn't bad but it was kind of insulting to retcon 1 in every possible way and replace the kino nature with hints of humans landscape with house that still feels lived in
>>738863754Everyone hated the stupid dog from day 1
>>738864036The hints of (something like) humans still being around have existed since 2, to be fair. Lots of man-made changes to areas from 1 which can't be easily explained.
>>738864187Oachi was definitely the most contentious feature, and I'm mixed on his inclusion, myself, but he definitely was not universally hated.
>>738860238No, it's the best-selling in the series, has the most content, and despite everything, it's the most difficult entry in the series, especially after the update.
It's literally one of the better Pikmin games.
>>738860238Two years to get a “non retard difficulty” patch out is pretty bad.
>>738864442Having a mount for larger areas to adventure in was not the issue. The issue was up until Ultra Spicy, Oatchi made using your Pikmin almost secondary in a Pikmin game up until you did the post-game Dandori shit.
>>738860238Did 4chan start paying checks for (you)s? People really liked Pikmin 4.
>>738867272I think it depends on how you use Oachi. He invalidated any challenge enemies and some obstacles presented in half, so if you just rode him about everywhere things would get dull. If you used him as a tool to get shit done whilst you were off doing other things, I think he became more interesting. Still too strong, but how you used him became a factor in how to efficiently clear each area.
>>738867512Don't group me with "people", I'm a Pikmin fan
>>738860662The fact that the game ask you to be efficient by having splitting task between you and the dog, but also putting obstacles were you need the ride the dog is bullshit.
>>738867616The minimal amount of time passing in dungeons discouraged it definitely. Why go for speed, when you can just safely murder everything thoroughly with the dog? The pace at which you progress through 4 to get 100% (night missions, dandori missions, larger overworlds, big hub area you have to interact with every day, raw material economy, a Pikmin 1 remake, ALL on top of 2’s cave system) also already discourages blitzing everything.
>>738860238It was annoying that a game easy even for the Pikmin series had quick saving and expected the player to load one if they fucked up. I remember being in a post-game area, Empress Bulblax rolled over some of my Pikmin, and the game paused to ask if I'd like to reload a save before that happened. It often seems like they don't have a vision for what kind of game they'd like to make, so they end up putting in as many options as possible, even when they're completely contradictory.
>>7388602384 is the best and worst Pikmin game at the same time, it's weird.>Dungeons are back, this time with actual level design and an incentive to play fast>Oh but if you lose more than five Pikmin the game has a hissy fit>Dandori challenges and Platinum medals are peak Pikmin gameplay>Dandori battles are RNG bullshit>Night raids are kino>The daytime levels have baby dififculty and permadead enemies>Least linear game of the series, lots of ways to solve puzzles and clear levels>Can't go ten feet without needing the damn dog to jump over a small ledge
>>738860238>>738860369It's definitely better than 3 but still pretty bad compared to 1 and 2. For me it's1>2>4>33 I literally can't remember anything about. It was extremely mid. I can remember the premise of 1 and the caves of 2, despite playing them like 20 years ago or whatever. Weird how I can't remember anything about 3. It was just so unmemorable.
>>738868554Best we can hope for is Pikmin 5 finely adjusts rather than doing one of the following>People complained about some stuff so DFE and remake Pikmin 1 to “reintroduce the series” (Star Fox)>It sold well so let’s make a carbon copy sequel that learned nothing from it’s predecessor’s shortcomings (Zelda)
>>738868650I have a special love for the first two, but 4 might be the best, just in terms of the sheer amount of stuff it has. All of the extra modes are really fun.There's an argument to be made that the first game in particular is a perfect speed-running game.I love 2, but I don't know, is 4 just a better 2 than 2 at this point? I'd have to replay 2.
>>738868554>caves are betterNo? The whole deal with cave was the ressource management and strategy of dealing with ton of enemies without being ableto getpikmin backs easily, 4 shit on it by making losing them a nothingburger and making the strategy aspect worthless as most of the enemies only appears alone, 2 are better designed as a strategy game
>>738868808The dog ruins 4 for me. I did enjoy 4 but idk there was something missing about it. I think it's because 1 has the feeling of mystery and danger. The world is dangerous and Olimar only has a short time before he dies. If you play this shit as a kid like I did, it's pretty scary to have that time limit looming. The subsequent games kinda ruins the premise because you dont have to survive anymore and the Pikmin can just roll over anything like Gods. 2 had the caves which I really enjoyed and it felt way harder than 1.
>>738860238It feels very childish compared to the 3th game.Because, damn, the way they present the dilemma that kicks off the third game is incredible.How Olimar's planet slowly becomes inevitable and all hope seems lost until they rediscover Earth (the Pikmin world).
>>738868991I didn't say caves are better. I said they're back, with actual level design. 2's caves do have better resource management, but sometimes they get really stupid or obnoxious level layouts. Like that one fucking cave in Wistful wilds, specifically the one where you spawn on top of a tiny tree stump and the cannon fish chases you down as soon as you enter.
it's another nu-tendo baby game that's afraid to have the player lose. not only is it piss-easy, they give you a rewind feature as well. complete waste of time
>>738868063>Why go for speed, when you can just safely murder everything thoroughly with the dog?I'd agree more if the game weren't practically on its hands and knees begging you to play for speed, to the point it introduced the term "dandori" as an in-universe excuse to do so. Some of your examples also don't seem like they discourage speedy play much or at all, too. Night Missions and the hub are isolated from the main game, so I don't see how their existence effect the motivation to play for speed in that mode; Dandori Challenges are something integrated into the main levels and so some thought needs to be given about when it's best to do them, and they're all about speedy play, regardless; and levels being larger is entirely neutral in terms of speed play, given they're not even so big as to prevent people from clearing some of them in a single day. I do agree that time moving so slowly in dungeons effectively gives you no reason to care about speed, though, which compounds the issues with Oachi considering dungeons are where most of the combat challenge is.
>>738869453It’s more that they’re all drop-everything pace breakers than anything. Also Night Missions add a solid lump of days on your overall count on a run, so there’s ultimately no way to do a small day count challenge for Pikmin 4.
My Pikmin rankings:2 > 4 >= 1 > 3All are good, but 3 definitely underwhelmed me a bit when I played it at release.
>>738860238I like Oatchi and Moss, they're cute
>>738869835Three is just all about those high-spectacle boss fights. Let’s not mince words here. And the co-op campaign mode on rerelease was a nice touch.
>>738869835>4 over 1I will fight you
>it's a 2 tranny thinks 2 is the best episode
I wish Oatchi had been the Bulbearmin instead.
>>738869760>It’s more that they’re all drop-everything pace breakers than anythingI do feel you, since I left interacting with them (besides the Dandori battles/challenges) until I was done with nearly everything else because I just wanted to play standard Pikmin. It'd have been preferable if these modes had been separated off from the main game.
>>7388699704 is more uneven but I found its highs to be higher than 1's, that's all. I do still have a huge soft-spot for how straightforward and to the point 1 is, though, which is why 4 is only >=.
>>738871159>No bulbmin in 4that's why it sucks
>>738870173I hate that the Dandoris are forced split screen, so you are stuck watching the AI dick around and fail to kill a bulborb for 3 minutes.
4 is only fun when you play 2 of the sidemodes.
>>738860238It's the best one actually
>>738869835Same. I still do love 1, but it didn't have the same highs some of the end-game night missions or platinum rank dandori challenges did.3 is shit and the worst game, 3tards can eat my butt.
>>738868295Every Pikmin game saved at the start of a day and was the first option to reload it when you paused. They just made it a more convenient feature. Pikmin 2's main shtick was that it was brutal in the caves and people needed to reload a lot sometimes. If you're not into it then you can just neglect the feature anyway. Seeing problems where there's none.
Pikmin 5 should be Pikmin 4.5.Keep the number of areas but add density:Enemies sleep/emerge/change aggro patterns based on the time of dayMeaningful hard modeSpeedrun mode
>>738871662I did at first too, but I realized this was the kind of vibe I missed from 6th gen consoles. Kirby Air Riders and Pikmin 4.
>>738872810I think it would be neat if they did mostly urban environments, just for a change.The house map was a highlight of 4.The could do for example: convenience store, city rooftops, sports stadium, bowling alley, arcade, industrial kitchen, carwash.
>>738868650>1>anythingWhen will you nostalgia-fags move on? Pikmin 1 was basically a tech demo:- no enemy variety- 4 levels (really 3), all incredibly small, with Distant Spring being the only one with a memorable, coherent design- timer to create a false sense of urgency; you have to actively try to lose- difficulty's purely artificial due to the complete lack of QoL and frustrating AI/controlsAll the sequels are an improvement on the last.Pikmin 2 specialized in caves at the expense of a more well-designed overworld, and purples trivialized everythingPikmin 3 had amazing level design and bosses, and took advantage of the whole "dandori" premise better than anything other game in the series due to the 3 captains.
>>738873423That's my impression on the franchise too, but I will likely develop a soft spot for the original in time. That said, no point to play the exact original when you can play it ported forward into a better engine.
>>738872937Kirby Air Riders is really good, but I wish there was an option to just do the Dandori challenges full screen in the campaign.
>>738873327 I think it's better to keep things mostly on the edge of civilisation. The more you encroach into urban environments, the more you have to address what the fuck is up with humanity. Although I could really dig an abandoned factory or junk yard setting.
>>7388734231 is my favorite but it's for reasons very personal to me. It's a very specific, melancholy feeling of being all alone in a vast and mysterious wilderness, that not many other games have replicated so intensely for me. The closest I can think of is certain levels of Mario Galaxy, where you feel so small and the world is vast, unknowable, and impersonal, and while dangerous, not specifically out to get you.
>>738873740Galaxy does have those Zelda vibes
>>738873423I played the first three gamea for the first time last month and 1 is kino
>>738873740Olimar's end of day notes and treasure commentary in 2 are some of my favorite pieces of videogame writing. Just a space trucker contemplating life.
>>7388734231 also has almost 0 zero bullshit. It's the most pure version of the series.
>>738860238Superior Pikmin game comin' through!
>>738873959Absolutely. His notes and commentary weren't quite as interesting in 4 but were still a very welcome addition. >>738873923Speaking of Zelda, I find it curious that Breath of the Wild didn't really evoke that same feeling for me despite how lonely the world can feel sometimes. I think it's because in BotW you're still wrapped up in a prophecy and politics between gods and demons and mortals, whereas in Pikmin Olimar is completely isolated on PNF-404. No politics, no drama, it's just him in a beautiful and dangerous wilderness filled with mysteries.
>>738872667>Every Pikmin game saved at the start of a day and was the first option to reload it when you paused.No, they added that in the switch versions. The game saved at the start of each day yes, but you did not have an option to restart the day from the menu in 1 and 2, you could only end the day (which then saved over the previous save)Confirmed secondary
>>738875226>walk over to your gamecube and press the "reset" button>start at your previous ended dayWoooooooow, so different
>>738875391You can literally say any game has a "rewind" at that point you fag>damn, i allocated my stat points completely wrong in this rpg, luckily my console has a built in rewind button :)
>>738874765It's definitely the best Pikmin clone, at least. A darn sight better than shit like Overlord, which is entirely carried by its premise and writing.
Pikmin 1 is great, but Pikmin Squared makes it GOATED
>>738875553Pikmin 1 and 2 also didn't have the annoying nigger messages every time you lost a pikmin.
>>738875553At least 70% of the NES library will lose your progress right then and there if you press the reset button
>>738875226>they added that in the switch versionsAckshully that's a New Play Control addition.Source:https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Support/Legacy-system/General-game-tips-613203.html
It was fine. I just hope 5 is more "open world". Most of the stages felt fairly small and too big at the same time. I would be neat if the worlds were connected ala Banjo Tooie. Also, let us stay on the planet at night
If you people dont shut up about Oatchi, im going to shove you up my Hole Of Beasts.
>>738875021>I find it curious that Breath of the Wild didn't really evoke that same feeling for meodd, it's been years since I played Botw, but I am playing Totk now and it gives me the same melancholia that looking onward in Galaxy does
>>738860238Yes, but I've listed my reasons too many times already. Go search the archive.
>>738875942Maybe if he was good ww wouldn't
>>738875806Lame, as if all the glitches they added weren't enough to steer clear of these versions
So is it worth a play? I just started 2 (played and finished 1 for the first time) and wasn't sure on playing the rest since 4 looked like a weird easy version where the dog do more than the pikmins without the atmosphere
>>738860238my favorite part of pikmin is manual aiming and the skill that takes. whats the point of playing a pikmin game with lock on aiming?
>>738873423Three is way too short and only fruits are boring. And at launch had no piklopedia.
>>738876158Emulate it, maybe? A read of the thread shows opinions are all over the place.
>>738874765I consider it to be required playing. This and Overlord 1 and 2 for the Pikmin series.
>>738876158It's a beautiful game and it's still fun despite being baby mode. The latest update added "hard" mode as well which isn't hard enough but a much better experience, and there are challenges late in the game that have a good amount of difficulty.It's by no means 1 and 2 level but it's still a fun game, and gives you the feeling of being in a small big outdoors which is a big part of why i love pikmin to begin with, they are perfect spring/summer games and 4 has great graphics for that even if it is sanitised and generic in atmosphere compared to 1 and 2No reason not to emulate it at least
Which Louie recipe from Pikmin would you most want to eat?I want beer battered Yellow Wollywog.
>>738876227They did finally remove auto lock on in 4 with the 2 latest patches, it took 2 whole patches to fully remove but as of now it's supposedly properly gone
>>738876401I'm deeply curious about the mind-altering effects of waterwraith consumption.
>>738875226Moron, in New Play Control! the option was renamed from Continue from Last Save to Continue from previous save.
>>738863754If everyone here just hates everything, why does everyone fairly unanimously love 1 and 2 (and some even 3)?4 was just insultingly shit.>dog ruined gameplay>lock on ruined gameplaythe two above ruined map design since it was made with them in mind, so even disabling them via options or mods doesn't save the game>the atmosphere and lore was ruined>retcons the previous game hard, ruins them if you don't take 4 as fanfiction>returning characters are ruined (RIP louie, now full on maliciously evil)>ruined the scary nights by removing the mystery of why its so dangerous by adding a stupid(ly easy) tower defense mode>ruined caves by making time (slowly) advance while in them, as a result caves are extremely easy and ridiculously short>dandori memes ruined the game, no longer about exploring and surviving an alien world, now just LE HECKING DANDORI DANDORI DANDORIThe list goes on.
>>738876549Louie has been evil since his introduction. He started the plot of 2, he tried to murder you and eat your pikmin. He stole all the juice in three and had to be fucking hogtied.
>>738860238It was amazing, but the multiplayer was more of an insult than simply lacking it.
>>738876636He was stupid, not evil. Up until 4 he was never actually malicious.
>>738864187I'm torn because I think it was a neat addition, but as is he makes the game way too easy.
>>738876549Replacing the Koppai trio with some weird alternate universe equivalents felt the most insulting. No game was left unretconned in 4's wake.
Cubies are retards. It’s a great game, and the auto lock on and oatchi being OP were fixed in a patch, so the only remaining thing is the enemy respawning. But literally everything else is better than the previous games
>>738860238It's a good but there are so many little stupid decisions made that I resent it.>3 type limit>Roadblocks to stop you from seperating captains all over the place (dandori game btw)>Caves are all too short except the final one>Game provides nothing in the way of difficulty similar to 2 even on hard>'Le open world' that's just shit being spaced out too far apart>Max Pikmin restrictions, having less Pikmin doesn't make the game harder it just makes it more tedious>The mysterious atmosphere from the first 2 games has been turned into cookie-cutter sludge>Night missions take up a day and there's no way to speed shit up, so now 100%ing adds a minimum of +16 days to my RTS game (kind of a petty complaint but it annoys me).A lot of problems like auto lock-on got solved in the update but the game is so fundamentally flawed that I can't see myself ever being happy with it.On Oatchi, I'm not against an animal companion in concept, but having the mascot of the game be just some fucking dog is such a weird choice for a series with such fun creature design. The concept art of the rideable bulbear was far better.
>>7388768103 type limit
>>738876549>If everyone here just hates everythingNowhere in my post did I imply that, thoughbeit. I simply stated the observable truth that people have more energy to shit on things they hate than to defend things they love (at least on /v/). I don't have the same energy to get into the same arguments defending 4 that I have for shitting on Prime 4 for being a disappointment, for example.
>>738876949Pikmin 4 was a 6 out of 10. About what one can expect from a franchise with Miyamoto at the helm.Prime 4 was a legit 3/10 that got shat out the door.
>>738876636>He started the plot of 2Because he's stupid and a glutton, not because he's evil>he tried to murder you and eat your pikminAt no point did he do that. He was not conscious during the final boss of 2, the boss attached him to itself like it did it's weapons>He stole all the juice in three and had to be fucking hogtiedYou got that in reverse, he stole the juice after he got hogtiedYou're alone on a planet, suddenly some people appear and fucking kidnap you for no reason you could discernSo you break out and take their food since you're starving and they're assholes with obviously bad intentions for youThis is quite the understandable reaction from his POV, not even stupid and certainly not malicious.
>>738876678It's ambiguous in 2 whether he's evil or just stupid and selfish, given the implication that he might've been controlling the Titan Dweevil.
it was fun and sovlfvl.
>>738877095Okay Louie. Go back to eating insects, freak.
>>738876810>lock on and oatchi fixed>nevermind that veery level is designed around the gameplay from the start, so runing off lock on and nerfing oatchi a bit doesn't fix the levels that are designed around iteverything is spread out way too much not to confuse the lock on
>>738876810I never updated my launch day copy, what exactly changed between versions?
When I shove a Honeywisp down my Snagret Hole I get a little bit closer to Heaven.
>>738874765*Sigh* my big titty Queen. May she rest in peace...
>>738876549I think 1 is primitive as sin and easily the weakest entry.
>>738875987I think it's that while BotW and TotK can have a lonely, melancholy feel at times, they don't make you feel small the way Pikmin or Mario Galaxy do. You're the hero of the prophecy involved in a war between gods who helped shaped the world, it doesn't invoke that same kind of impersonal feeling where your journey is just one infinitesimal part of the cosmic dance of creation.
>>738876810Exactly, and I don't see the reason to make enemies respawn neither.
>>738877459Explain if you'd be so kind, "everything is spread out" doesn't make much sense in regards to lock on.
>>738877880>they don't make you feel smallin the case of Totk, of course it does. I've never experienced a game that did scale in such an appreciable way as this game, and I've played over a thousand video games I'm sure. Wherever you're standing you see floating islands, mountains, forests, lakes, and when you go to them it takes a long time and they grow in size to massive proportions and these tiny locations turn out to be gigantic. Same feeling as Pikmin, personally. Right down to mounting Oatchi and galloping around.
>>738877936>just remove all challenge from my game please!If you don't manage to get everything down some path and forget about it and come back later, you should be punished. It's supposed to be a strategy game and you should be punished for bad strategies. It also makes the world so god damn empty and lifeless, so even outside of the gameplay aspect it fucks over the atmosphere of the game which usually pride itself on having a living ecosystem
>>738876158Honestly just stop after 2.3 is weird, as another anon said earlier I too don't remember anything about it despite having played it to completion. The graphics were pretty, prettier than 4s.4 just ruined the Pikmin formula, I'd honestly say skip. It'll just leave a bad taste and sour your memories of the prior games, especially with the retcon and utter butchering of atmosphere it does.
>>738878143huh, odd. I know what you mean but I didn't really experience it that way.Probably the coolest moment in TotK for me was when I jumped into some abyss in the Gerudo Desert and a MASSIVE dragon came flying out right as I took the plunge. yes I know who the dragon really is It definitely made me feel 'small' in comparison to the sheer scale of the dragon, but it wasn't quite the same. Not that this feeling was inferior to the feeling I got from Pikmin and Mario Galaxy, just different.
>>738877791Even as a kid I chose her as the one to take because big titty hot women with flower theme.
>>738877095"A new employee of Hocotate Freight, Louie is often silent. Nobody knows what thoughts lurk in his mind. He appears to operate on the same wavelength as insects, often with dangerous results. After he was kidnapped, he somehow managed to hijack a colossal insect's brain!"
>>738878387>cannon fodder is le challengingstopped reading
>>738878419>I jumped into some abyss in the Gerudo Desert and a MASSIVE dragon came flying outI mean that's more cinematic, and I'm coming from an angle of every moment of the game feels like a painting. I'm constantly taking screenshots while I explore.
>>738878490>Titan Dweevil“The leader of the Dream Den, and Louie's captor, [...}"- Pikmin 2 Nintendo Player's Guide
Caves are cool, but the rest of it sucks. No respawning enemies in particular made the overworld exploration feel vapid.
Any other merch fags here? I managed to get one of the Terrium sets home from Japan and a Moss plush for a friend.
>>738879235>Moss plushwhy the fuck would you want that those stupid dogs are horrifically ugly, just get a bulborb plush instead
>>738879408>that's ugly! just get this ugly thing instead
>>738879507What the fuck did you just say?
>>738878552>I'm coming from an angle of every moment of the game feels like a painting. I'm constantly taking screenshots while I explore.That's what's so odd to me. It really seems like I should be getting that same feeling here, but I'm just not. My sister definitely had that experience, she was taking screenshots left and right during her playthroughs (multiple, she really loves BotW and TotK), but I can't remember feeling inspired to take all that many screenshots. Maybe it was just the way I played those games? Perhaps I was too focused on puzzling more efficient ways to traverse the landscape than actually taking it in. In any case, you've got me curious now - I've got some other games I'm playing at the moment but once I'm done with those I'll try firing up TotK again. There's a lot of content I still haven't done and I really wanna see if trying a different, more relaxed playstyle will change my perspective.
>>738876810>They "fixed" it 2 and a half years laterSure I guess that's technically better than nothing
>>738879235I picked both of these up from Japan. The Terrarium was from a Don Quijote and the box on the right was a chocolate egg with a plastic Pikmin inside the egg I bought from a random candy store in Chiba
I just wish someone would hurry up and make a mod that fixes all the issues but no one's cared enough to do so>remove the type limit>add enemy respawns>remove the oatchi ledges>remove the text popups for losing pikminand also>add actual path nodes for winged pikminultra spicy mode and removing lock-on was ok, but there's still far too many flaws
imonlyhereforpikmin
>>738879979he post here
>>738879968You, like too many people, seem to think it's easy to just mod any game in any way you want. There are a few notable pikmin hackers out there who would have made these mods if it was possible already. Not to mention just because you remove the pikmin limit, the whole game is designed around it so it's pointless, it would completely break the game even more than it already is. Also there already are mods that make enemies respawn
>>738879979Been binging his vids lately. My free time has become LOST MEDIA
>>738860238I like the overall enemy variety and the dandori challenges/caves, the piklopedia simulation mode was cool too, other than that the game is badthe idea of multiple captains with different abilities is cool on paper but in practice it really sucks. it just deters you from splitting up and multitasking like you would in 2/3 since you never know when you're going to encounter an obstacle that specifically requires the dog or humanoid captainalso the game is just horribly unbalanced and the combat is uninteresting, mostly because of the dogtoo many of the pikmin types are just useless, doubly so because the 3 type limit adds an opportunity cost to all of themenemies not respawning is stupidtoo much fucking dialogue, it might be bearable if the characters were fewer and less bland but no
>>738860238It's a monkey paw for Pikmin 2 haters like me. The caves are shorter and have consistent design which I appreciate, but everything involving the fundamental gameplay has been butchered beyond belief.
>>738879979this post is brussels sprouts
Pikmin 2 is simply the best one. The caves are interesting and sometimes difficult. The outworld is just as good as the first games map.
>>738860238>that bad?yes>>738860369no>>738868650it really isnt
>>738879979he's based and i find little to disagree on in his videos. he has been too nice to 4 in his latest video however.other pikmin youtubers tend to just be too overtly shilly
>>738880128Pikmin modders said Pikmin 3 is so tightly flagged that doing much with it is a gigantic pain in the ass. GC games have entered their decomp phase so at best they'll mod the shit out of Pikmin 2 eventually.
>>738879968>add enemy respawnsthat exists thougheveralso a mod that disables oatchi riding (both captain and pikmin)
>>738860238Very mediocre, easier than any of it's predecessors by a big margin. Yeah yeah it's a kids game but the fact is Pikmin 2 had moments where your entire army could get wiped out if you made a bad decision and that made it really memoreable for me as 12 year old. These games aren't even just for kids anymore, they've been lowered to a level even below that that no one could guess. In-the-womb or pre-womb level. All console companies, yes including your faux-champion Nintendo, should crash and burn
>>738874765I need to play this, I did not realize it was a pikmin clone
>>738860238The opinion on this series is both divisive and agreeable when you break down each detail.>Pikmin 1: >pro: >The time system makes the main campaign feel like an easy Dandori challenge and the level design is both fun and interesting whether you are replaying to make things more efficient or its your first time playing it.>con:>swarming is both a useful but inconsistent mechanic at the same time, some enemies can feel like coin flips to beat without losing a single pikmin even if you do everything right, to some this might actually be a pro>switch and wii versions “fix” yellow pikmin ai to overall make them much easier to use with bomb rocks, but fuck over the final boss as a result unintentionally making it significantly more difficult to do deathless because yellow pikmin no longer drop bombs when whistled.Pikmin squared might fix a lot of the issues I mentioned in the cons.>Pikmin 2>pro:>Generally adjacent to 1 in every way, the new pikmin types are both interesting and fun to use and the new mechanics are also welcome>cons:>time limit essentially doesn’t exist, making the dandori aspect of the game completely null and void, at best a self imposed challenge>depending on your taste you may hate or like caves, this can be a pro, but what I can say is that the caves can be very frustrating to do deathless and some are even misleading when it comes to pikmin recommends (wraith one for example)Continued in another post
>>738880690Its sorta strange how difficult games used to be when we were kids. I remember playing Pandemonium on the PS1 and that shit was hard, yet it was a kids game. Similarly, older games like Pikmin 1 and 2 are far harder despite being for children. Are kids today just fucking retarded?
>>738880690The latest animation they did with the little shit baby sorrounded by pikmin is basically just a slap in the face to the old fans saying "do we really have to spell it out to you who we are making pikmin for now?"
>>738880818kids have to much stuff to play with now, why bother with a challenging game when you can just go back to roblox
I thought we were getting something this kinohttps://youtu.be/AYR3DVFUnyc(we did not)
>>738880818Well, now that the 3rd-world has access to the internet, if you count them then I guess you could say children are dumber. I don't know why Nintendo has been doing this since Switch 1 but it is depressing that this will always be a massive limiter from now on
>>738880818It feels like a chicken or egg situationAre kids shit at games now because they're retarded and devs scale down games to cater to them?Or are kids shit at games now because devs made games easier and easier to reach the biggest possible audience and therefore kids never had to get good at games?Clearly a mix of both, but which is the biggest offender? it surely doesn't help that kids are raised on smart phones and social media for a long enough time now that many of them reached adulthood without knowing a world without it
>>738880782>Pikmin 3>Pros: the new mechanics involving 3 captains you switch across are intuitive and fun essentially adds another layer to a mechanic 2 introduced, new pikmim types are also fun to use even if some might tell you flying pikmin are broken due to their pathing I simply think that just makes them more strategically fun to use for transporting>level design is interesting as well and I would say this game has the best boss fights in the series>controls are massively improved, charging is much better than swarming>cons>the auto lock on makes aiming trivially easy, however in a sense you could say it also improves the gameplay as it makes swarming enemies with a charge far more consistent>the time limit is back, but its so trivial it may as well not exist, you essentially stock up food supplies to “increase” your time limit but the food is essentially also what you’re searching for so you never actually run out of time as each fruit gives you at least about a day>Pikmin 4>Pros: >Dandori challenges are fun, this isn’t necessarily something that wasn’tavailable in the other games though but this game has a larger focus on it incorporating them into the main campaign>the dandori challenges actually incorporate usage of the dog well>level design is interesting and the game recylces not only pikmin types from previous games but also mechanics by having the dog act as a second captain>i actually find the caves in this game funner than the second but thats just my opinion>Olimars shipwreck tale was amazingly fun side dandori challenge>cons>game gives you far too much broken shit on a game that already doesn’t have a time limit, the most egregious example is the dog, which at least for the main campaign is completely broken and can do almost everything since theres no time limit>only 3 pikmin types allowed to be used at once, incredibly lameIn short I would say all games are worth playing.
>>738880292I'd like the piklopedia more if the theme was better but like every track in this game that's not in olimar's story, the music is atrocious, especially compared to 2's piklopediahttps://youtu.be/tovckWe8DnU
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>>738880818All these corporations want their audience to be as dumb as possible. It all works together.
genuinely the most disappointed ive been with a game ever
>>738881049>>738881170>>738881305see >>738881006it has nothing to do with inelegance
>>738880782Caves in 2 have really high highs and are the best showcase of level design and enemy synergy, which 4's caves completely fumble at.There's this floor in the Dream Den with a Blowhog, a Dirigibug and a Bumbling Snitchbug. Individually, these 3 are mild annoyances at best, the most being the Dirigibug's somewhat tight window of vulnerability without letting him get another bomb. Together, they're a terrifying duo that can fuck you up, from the scattering of your Pikmin, potentially towards a Dirigibug bomb, to the snatching of a captain while trying to deal with the enemies. It feels the best 3 or 4's capable of are patching up some creatures' weaknesses or ways of beating them by changing up the terrain, making you take unfavorable initiatives, but the potential that lies in enemy synergy is something that only really feels observed in 1 and 2.
>>738881446I don't really see this as a compelling argument, just curt conjecture
>>738880818>>738881006>>738881446It's not about competing with Roblox or anything else, it just simply comes down to getting that general audienceA difficult game will only cater to prosA piss-easy game will cater to casuals, of which there are far more. Also the pros will still begrudgingly buy it. Most people in this thread have likely bought 4.There's more money to be made in making easy games, or tv shows made for the lowest common denominator. That's just how things are now
>>738881334No exaggeration, same here. I legitimately cannot think of any other time I've been looking forward to a game and found so little of value from it. It's just THAT bad
>>738881601because nintendo literally said it themselves kids have way more things pulling for their attention today then we did. so they have to or think they have to make games with that in mind
>>738881550Some of 2s caves felt like when they were generated an enemy could appear by mistke in a spot where they shouldn’t making them significantly more frustrating. Moreover I didnt like that some enemies could attack pikmin from the other side of a bramble gate they were on the process of opening.
Pikmin 4 sucks. There, i said it
>>738881701I had that with Metroid Prime 4. I actually got 11 playthroughs out of Pikmin 4 and will do another once the Switch 2 edition hits.
>>738883458prime was always lack luster thoubeit
>>738883458>I actually got 11 playthroughs out of Pikmin 4was it autism?
>>738860238I literally just started it a few days ago and I already hate it within the first hour of playing>retcons Pikmin 1 for absolutely no reason>Overt, modern human presence. Olimar literally flies his ship into an open window and into someone's fucking kitchen>The tutorials. The fucking tutorials. Every 5 steps. Every 30 seconds. Every time you do anything you have that Collin faggot or the nigger captain freezing your gameplay so that they can tell you what a fucking red Pikmin is>Oatchi completely ruins the game. Enough said. Whoever came up with the idea of Oatchi fundamentally does not understand Pikmin and should not be involved in the development of the games. I hope they realize their mistake and that he doesn't become a series mainstay, but I have a bad feeling that he's going to be here to stay>The auto lock-on. I honestly don't mind the idea in principle, but its implementation is horrible. They went all out with the "Dandori" in Pikmin 4, so they give you tons of little things to throw Pikmin at, and your lock-on gets stuck on each little rock when in the older games you could just toss a few Pikmin in the general direction and they would figure it out. It's horrible>The controls in general are clunky. You don't even have a one-button dismissal anymore for your PIkmin? In part because everything got so cluttered with Oatchi that I guess they just didn't have enough buttons, so you have to navigate your radial menu just to do basic shit like dismissing PikminI hope it gets better, but in just my 1st hour, I hate this fucking game. Worst Pikmin by far (not including Hey Pikmin obviously)
I... liked hey! pikmin
>>738887919>Overt, modern human presence. Olimar literally flies his ship into an open window and into someone's fucking kitchenBased off Pikmin Bloom and that recent Pikmin short, it's pretty clear they retconned the nuclear war and it's now that Pikmin are more like nature spirits in modern day. They're all around us but invisible. The humans who own the house in Pikmin 4 must just be out for the time being
>>738887919it gets a lot better, the first hour is absolutely insufferable. Once you're set free, I can almost guarantee you'll find there's a lot to like about Pikmin 4, but it's called 'the best and worst game in the series' for good reason
>>738860238First party switch games were so fucking shit, almost all of them were low points in their respective franchise.
>>738888226That's so lame
>>738888257I'm more than a dozen hours in and I can say with 100% certainty there is no chance anybody considers this to be the best game in the series.
>>738887919You can turn off the auto lock-on, but there are fundamental issues which plague the entire game. Oatchi and the 3 Pikmin type limit will be a thorn in your side the whole way through, and although there's less tutorials later, the NPCs never stop yapping.
>>738883615yeah it's weird people suck it off, it's just Zelda without a companion character
>>738887919>retcons Pikmin 1 for absolutely no reasonthe reason is awesome, you have to continue to see why
>>738888385Unfortunately that's incorrect. Alot of comment sections of youtube videos day exactly that.
>>738888392>3 Pikmin type limitdandori
>>738888498Anon..... you know that's not true
>>738887919It doesn't get better. The issues you mentioned and their consequences will only ever get worse.The only thing that gets SLIGHTLY better is the heavy tutorialization. But those faggot npcs will still chime in anytime something slightly off note happens. Pikmin dies? OH NO QUICK TURN BACK TIME AIEEEEEEsee something new come upOMG LOOK AT THAT LOOK AT THAT ISNT THAT INTERESTINGactually nevermind about the tutorilaization, it does not get better, it just shifts from being purely tutorial to spamming pointless stuffjust wait until you realize how big and empty the maps are, and that there are no interesting enemy encounters anymore because the various mechanics introduced in 4 wouldnt work well with thatand the few times they have small enemy spam as a room gimmick youll want to kill yourself because of the lock onhope you love oatchi charging bulborbs, thats all youll ever do
>>738888257no one calls 4 the best game unless it was their first pikmin gamewhich considering the timespan between 3 and 4 is not uncommon
>>738888563It is, DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT SPOILED you unlock a side mode after beating the game, where the story of Pikmin 1 is recounted but with Pikmin 4 mechanics, 15 days to find the 30 parts
>>738888720There is nothing "awesome" about that, it jut further retcons pikmin 1 which was far superior to that.its a decently fun mode compared to the rest of 4 but its still plagued by all of 4s issues
>>738860369ThisAlso, I am trans and my prounouns are sdifnhvusid/DFJSKFGA
>>738888586>and the few times they have small enemy spam as a room gimmick youll want to kill yourself because of the lock onthat one floor in the challenge cave with the hoard of bulborb larvae is genuinely impossible because of this shit
>>738888720It is fun I agree but it still sucks to retcon 1 and 2 like that
>>738888824>DFJSKFGA's pronouns are not bul/borbnot a true fan
>>738886172Yes. I have 1500 hours in 3 BTW.
>>738860238Easily worst real pikmin game. Still comparatively better than other series recently though
>hard mode and new game+game was saved last update
>>738889163It's better, but not good enoughAlso the 60 pikmin limit just makes things tedious. I'd rather they buff enemy health more and still let you use 100
>>738888792>There is nothing "awesome" about the game Pikmin 1 being included in Pikmin 4What no sex does to a mf, zesty.
>>738888880Had to be done. It's too cool.
>>738889681its not though
>>738889548dandori
>>738881217Swarming is better than charge. It has defensive potential as well.
>>738888878>I hate this optional mechanic>turn it off then?>REEEEEEEEEEevery time
>>738881217>the game is broken!>why?>because I optionally upgraded the dog to max levelevery time
>>738889848I played the game before they added the option to turn it offcalm down sperglord
>>738889947Then your opinion is worthless.
>>738864187wish I could mod the nigger away, it's so fucking retarded. I hate how two series that had some stressful elements (Pikmin with caring for your niggers, animal crossing with tom nook) have become so fucking sanitized and simplified further so as to not offend nor scare anyone. their newest entries are corporate sequels if anything.
>>738860238It was disappointing, graphics were alright but the balancing was garbage and 80% of the game being a tutorial didnt help, also the feeling of complete isolation and uncertainty of going home or seeing your family again is totally gone for generic ugly characters that do marvel esque quips and the whole point is to rescue more of them. the only goood thing bout pikmin 4 is the dandori battles and the glow pikmin mode, the game tries too hard to be pikmin 2 but with more story, even the olimar side story mode is a let down because its not the same maps from pikmin 1 so why bother? considering how babyfied this game was, i fear for pikmin 5 alot to be honest
I can't tell if enemies not respawning is just a shitty design choice, or a subtle and clever lesson in over-culling nature by making each area look like a lifeless wastelans once you've killed everything
>>738889848>i don't like this thing about the game>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST CRITICIZE LE BILLION DOLLAR VIDEO GAME GIANT!!!!!!! STOP SAYING BAD THINGS UR GUNNA MAKE SHIGGY CRY!!!!!!!!!! IT'S YOUR FAULT IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING FUN!!!! ONLY LE HECKIN POSITIVE VIBES HERE, OKAY REDDIT?why are you even here?
what are they even going to add for the switch 2 edition that nate le hate claimed existed? they updated it for switch 2 compability i thought
>>738890239It works against the game's favor because you eventually only have pellets to grow pikmin with
>>738890610Update was just gameplay tweaks, not graphics.
>>738890321I like video games, why the fuck are you here.
>>738890610so tired of that faggot. ANYBODY can predict Pikmin 4 Switch 2, because Nintendo implemented a system wide handheld boost that applies to every game, EXCEPT Pikmin 4. Why did they disable that one? Hopefully your boyfriend Nate the Hate can inform us.
If 4 didn't have the dog, the Pikmin amount limit, the Pikmin type limit, the (previously) forced aim-assist (that took too long to get fixed), the other dog, a playable character without character, a entire team of bad characters speaking to you all of the time, a fuckton of random fucks that crashed on PNF for no reason, the other other dog, areas lacking the atmosphere of Earth without humans, bland or unfitting music, bringing back some enemies for nostalgiabait (and making them worse), enemies being weak both offensively and defensively (no, the "hard" mode doesn't change this), enemies not even respawning making them even more nothing than they already were, the literal dogshit story, the dreaded nighttime that was always said to be extremely dangerous being a fucking shitty tower defense mode, Ice Pikmin being a mix of the overpowered Purple Pikmin and Bitter spray of Pikmin 2 combined and forced to be used a lot, Glow Pikmin just being better Bulbmin for the terrible night mode, the side modes of previous games being forced into the main game, said no-longer-side modes being the only "good" part of the game and honestly probably more stuff, then maybe 4 could've been good.
>>738891438TL;DRPikmin 4 is a great game, and it filtered me.
>>738876636I think he was more of an autistic sociopath than actively malicious. He just wanted to do what he wanted to do and everyone else to leave him alone.
>>738891360All 4 Pikmin games don't get it. I was hoping 3 would get it.
>>738888385Unfortunately there is a vastly overwhelming amount of people who has it as their favourite, mostly because it's the only one they even played and even if they try the switch release of 1 and 2 they give up because the old graphics give them the ickSame with zelda, by FAR more people have played the botw games and only them, just look at the sales
>>738888720What the fuck, the side mode is cool but it's just a very watered down version, it could easily have a side mode like what's already in the game without retconning anything. You are retarded
>>738892000ok retard
>>738891902>go back to try Pikmin 1>it's janky shit as hellOk so it's just nostalgia, understood.
Pikmin 4's Olimar sidemode was more fun the entire campaign desu desu
>>738860238Been getting an itch to replay this at some point. Was enjoyable, even if the dog makes it a little too easy.
>>738893894They surprisingly added a hard mode in a patch, so now would be a good time to give it at least one more go
>>738893967Oh that's interesting. What does hard mode change? I assume enemy health being upped is part of it.
