>if you are a patriotic nationalist who fights for whats right when your government turns it back on you and takes away your right to free speech you are considered the villains by everyone Art imitates life
Its even funnier to go Imperial when they were going to gleefully execute you without due process in the game's intro.
>>738864468I swear a lot of the liberals who are anti-Stormcloak can’t give any reason why they’re bad aside from them being mean to dark elves and (rightly) suspicious of the Thalmor. Plus, them supporting an EMPIRE seems weird since they claim to be anti-authoritarian.
Alright someone spoonfeed my boomer ass and why I'm seeing variants of the OP's pic constantly now
>>738864468it would have been perfect if the skull was the jagged crown
>>738865396Nords are not literate and both of their academic institutions in their own homeland are staffed and attended by mostly Elves, to the point where the most well-read man in all of Skyrim is a fucking Orc, and Shalidor is all but forgotten along with the Nord's actual gods like Kyne and Shor because they'd rather kill themselves over the right to worship a breton pedo from the Imperial rite. I have absolutely no respect for these fucking idiots who claim to be pro-Nord and nationalist while doing everything but preserving Nord traditions, lives and religion.
Siding with either is ultimately helping the Thalmor weaken Skyrim. Ulfric is retard though and wants to go at the Thalmor with brute force. The empire is going at them with politics and building allies from other areas. The Thalmor play you either way so the choice ultimately doesn't matter, as is expected of Bethesda.
>>738865503Comic panel of Invincible, a superhero comic that recently finished his 4th animated season in Amazon
>>738865503>>738866490The original panel
>>738866381The empire is letting the thalmor in too much. It's paralysing them and I doubt they can plan any attack without thalmor spies catching it. The reason the empire does this is to save itself. In an all out race war, humans would collectively beat the high elves. The empire stands in the way of this.
>>738864468Anon...http://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxUAJbEV_Z-aLsmn4yz7lwJsxkbOwvAf-V
>>738866717The only humans to actually beat the Elves in war without literal divine intervention were the Redguards. Nords and Imperials are actually complete jobbers when fighting mer if Akatosh doesn't step in and grant boons/weapons/powers/summon Pelinal
Players see Galmar and think that's every Stormcloak when Ralof is closer to the average Stormcloak who's had enough of Imperial shenanigans in his homeland.
>>738866717lol, you can just go to Windhelm and see how shitty it is though which doesn't build much confidence to a discerning person. Ulfric couldn't make his own city great, how the hell is he supposed to make Skyrim better?
>>738866490>>738866643More capeshit?
>"patriotic nationalist">from a nation with a strong sense of settling conflict through righteous and honorable combat>cheats in a duel with a childl m a o
>>738866264>>738866823Can't beat futanari elves dick
>>738866823Being favored by the gods is part of their skillset
>>738866381>"The empire is going at them with politics"Translation: were letting hit squads and concentration camps occur to our own people
>>738864468>covers up all the females or replaces them with menvery brown-coded image
>>738864468don't fuck with me retard. you're all filthy pieces of shit to me.
>>738866862its subversive capeshit of the "what if superman was le bad and everyone was an asshole" variety
>tfw you realize that it’s not Legate Rikke who orders your execution in the beginning, but some random captain who has the same voice actress because it's Bethesda
>>738866952>its subversive capeshitNot really.
>>738866952except it isnt, why lie about something you dont even watch?
>>738866990Anon you literally fucking kill her when Ralof cuts your bindings, how could you possibly confuse the two?
>>738866940Which women in the Stormcloaks should they have been replaced with?
>>738866952No, it's "what if Superman was weaker than the villains who happened to be General Zod and his Kryptonian army"
>>738866990get ready for more dei voices
If you complete the civil war for both sides and go to both the blue palace and palace of kings and talk to the displaced jarls, the imperial ones talk of deep concern for the social economic and military future of skyrim, the stormcloaks meanwhile are just upset that they lost and show no concern about the province as a whole, only their personal desires for power. Ulfric is also clearly portrayed as a selfish narcissist, don't get how anyone can be confused on the outcomes or paths, considering it's Bethesda who overwhelmingly write black and white.
>>738866952Look I hate Invincible with every fiber of my being but if you're gonna hate something properly you need to know its subject material. What you're describing is The Boys or Irredeemable. Invincible has shit writing thats it nothing more or less.
>>738865396These retards are happy to screech about MUH RAYCISM in any form of entertainment just to appear as good goys. These morons could be killed and raped by browns and say "at least i wasn't rac-ACK"
>>738866924The divines only do it so that Tamriel doesn't become boring. Humans are shitters but if they weren't there then all the Mer would just sit in their respective homelands in total isolation for millions of years at a time.
>>738864468The best argument against the Imperials I have seen is that they took taxes away from the Redguards and Nords but refused to help either of them.The best argument I have seen against the Stormcloaks is that in that fort near Pale Pass if the Stormcloaks win, you can find a missive that says the Imperials are already amassed on the other side waiting for snow to melt. The Stormcloaks do not win that fight.
>>738864468>>738866941I only side with Paarthurnax
>>738867214Two more weeks patriots are in control
>>738866952>subversivethis thing is as straight forward as DBZ what?
>>738864959When I was young and first played the game I sided with the empire because I enjoyed the idea of using authority to stop out the hopes of people trying to improve their lives. But now I'm a race absolutist and fight with the stormcloaks to ensure the existence of their race, and a future for Nord children.
>>738864468>>738866643Full on reddit by this point.
>>738867136We have that for Mexican-American Superman with aliens Wonder Woman and vampire Batman
The Stormcloaks should be viewed as correct by all sides but because of one interaction when entering Windhelm, people's entire view of them is skewed.>fighting against an authoritarian empire>fighting against religious oppression>refused to abide by appeasement of a country that is invading and conquering their neighbors>being economically burdened by their oppressors>fought and died for their imperial overlords in a war but had no say in the peace treaty>government is more fair and focused on regional rule than anything in cyrodiil>gave an entire island to the dunmer and accepted their refugees after the Red Year while the empire did literally nothing to help>have a tradition of powerful female warriors who are viewed as equals so long as they can back it up>when refusing to accept religious persecution, assassinations, political subterfuge, torture of innocents and kidnapping of Nord citizens within Skyrim, the Empire just cracked down on them even harderThe fact anybody feels justified in calling the Stormcloaks traitors when the Empire doesn't even have their divine right to rule anymore (lost it 200 years ago) is hilarious. The Empire is done for, they lost almost all their provinces and they're going to lose Skyrim. Then they're just down to Cyrodiil and High Rock. Just let it end and form a new northern alliance of human nations; as equals this time. If Morrowind gets their shit together they can join too.
>>738867249Humans breed much faster than the high elves, outnumber them easily, and have much more land/resources to use for war. The sooner the war restarts, the more it favors humans. The empire stands in the way of this. Just get rid of them and have all the humans go ape on the thalmor. Redguards showed it's possible already. Just do it.
>>738866490>>738866643Huh. I read this years ago as well as the walking dead comics (same guy I think?) but I don't think they were finished then. Completely memory holed this series. It was alright but overhyped even then.
>>738867105the dragonborn (female), her wife Aela, her other wife Lydia, her third wife Uthgerd, and her fourth wife Mjoll
>>738866643Ok, so why are there variants of it?
>>738867938>female*futanari, finger slipped
>>738865396Nords are anti intellectual and deserve nothing but scorn
>>738866643I never read this comic but are these guys just sayains?
>>738867985dickgirls aren't women, they're menhowever, men who have been magically transformed into women by a gender-change spell are women
>>738867957Cause it goes hard
>>738867860>The fact anybody feels justified in calling the Stormcloaks traitorsThey betray their own heritage and gods. The Nords of 4E have been entirely Bruma-fied in how Cyro-Nordic they've become. They've lost the very spirit of their own race from being softly colonized by Imperial rule.
>>738864468>>738866643is this the thread
>>738864959I went imperial because Balgruuf is cooler than Ulfric
>>738868132Futas are just hermaphrodites.
>>738868125>are these guys just saiyans?No, but I guess they have a similar motive and role in the story.
>>738866264Basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC0HgM0N-mI
>>738868149I feel like there relationship would kind of toxic.
>>738868125No, the Saiyan empire was run better.
>>738868278Is frieza gonna show up and shoot beams?
>>738868194a TRVE Stormcloak Son of Skvrim Dragvnbvrn sides with the Empire to depose and slay the treacherous Ulfric and restore Nord rule (myself) to the Empire as a Nordic institution (if you accept the idea that Talos was a Nord)this is actually the design of the Emperor Titus Mede who dies willingly in the Dark Brotherhood quest, essentially making you Emperor by right, as a Dragonborn ought to be
>>738866264Why do dunmer girls always have Nord husbands?
>>738867860>If Morrowind gets their shit together they can join too.The dark elves are dickheads, though. They tried to enslave the argonians.
>>738868545Argonians are literally NPCs without souls, there is no fault.
>>738868125They're diet-diet kryptonians except their only superpowers are flying and city-level strength. Roshi at the start of DB could kill them all in a fight.
>STORMCLOAK BAD BAD BAD>The Empire...gulp...are squeaky clean gud bois who dindu nuffin...dey jus need more time...
>>738868457>and restore Nord rule (myself) to the Empire as a Nordic institution (if you accept the idea that Talos was a Nord)Who gives a fuck about talos in that context? The dragonblood and emperor title is bestowed by Akatosh.
>>738864468>if you are a patriotic nationalist who fights for whats rightYou're a 15 year old Puerto Rican.
>>738868834the Empire has always been a Nordic institution and trying to separate Skyrim from it is anti-Nordic behavior by Shor>>738868545Dunmer are honorary humans according to Tiber Septim
>>738867957You might as well be asking "why do internet memes exist?".'cause it's funny.
>>738868795>THEY JUST NEED TWO MORE WEEKSwhat really bothers me is how they ignore the fact that the aldmeri dominion is recovering too, meaning that unless the empire is developing the equivalent of a nuclear bomb, ttime is not going to make any difference
>>738867537that one was good though
>paying taxes to the empire so that they can put your brother into a Thalmor concentration campLiterally cuck behaviour
>>738868795>duhhh....why people side with the stable good guy faction that has been the good guys across multiple games?
>>738869008i dont get it... wheres the wojaks and pepe....
>>738869016At this point it would be a miracle if any society in TES could develop a nuclear bomb equivalent. They used to have flying ships and interdimensional travel.
>>738864468Skyrim leaving the empire gives more power to the aldmeri dominion in the long run. Skyrim remaining in the empire makes the influence of the aldmeri dominion weaker. That is all that matters and that is why the empire is the better choice. The aldmeri dominion are the true enemy.
Skyrim was such a dogshit game
>>738869175best i can do
I have literally seen gay fanfiction written about this entire conflict. I don't know why people are so mad about fictional conflict >The fanfic premise >The Dragonborn is a stupid Nord who can't accomplish anything after the game end due to his sin of siding with the Stormcloak and killing the Emperor >He died feeble as old age catches up to him regretting everything he has done >Meanwhile the Oblivion protagonist is a chad Vampire politician who is immortal and will save the Empire It's gay to push your view into fanfic
>>738869168>the "good" guy faction attempts to execute you without a trial as soon as you meet them and at the very beginning of the game maybe they are not the good guys anymore?
>>738867957why not
>>738869442
>>738869431execution without trial by jury and due process is a good thing thoughthose are Enlightenment era holdovers that have done nothing good for society
>>738869495I should be allowed to decapitated you right now for the good of society. You in particular don't have the right to live
>>738864468I'll explain, leftists are bootlickers
>>738869405In most fanfic's I've see, it's either>DB sides with Empire and becomes Emperor.>DB sides with Stormcloack and becomes Emperor.
>>738869495then why didnt they just kill ulfric on the spot? i will tell you why, because the empire is evil, and even when having victory within their grasp, they decided to try to torture ulfric by executing his soldiers right in front of him and now, guess who goes to sovngarde if killed?
>>738869681>I should be allowed to decapitated you
>>738868545>They tried to enslave the [stone-age barely sapient sithis-worshippers]oh notheir mistake was using them as slaves instead of genociding them, black marsh should have been firebombed until there was nothing left but soggy ash
>>738869364gemerald
>>738869837>guess who goes to sovngarde if killed?you can find Ulfric in Sovngarde and he realized he fucked up bigly by starting the Civil War while High King Torygg dabs on him and them Alduin eats his soul
>>738868545Argonians are born to be maids. The dark elves are doing them a favor.
>>738867957Twitter artists latch on whatever is popular because that is the only way they can stay relevant
>>738865396Ulfric started a civil war when he technically had a way to become High King without conflict that he ignored.
>>738869871Yes. Might make right is the best way to build a civilization.
>>738869431Chain of command issue, it was one captain, and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's like if the US captured you alongside the Taliban leaders, the suspicion would be that you are a spy.
>>738868509They can't resist BWC
>>738867957Some of them are really good.
>noooo the heckin' empire was going to decapitate meeeeein an incredibly rare, one-off, totally unprecedented capture of their most wanted enemy, in which you somehow magically were directly in the middle of and yet not involvedtake that event away and what are you left with, nothing, no argument against the empire whatsoeverthat's why it happens
>>738869495lol you are so based, look at all the librul tears praise kek
>>738869495>My kind of people should be allowed to kill anyone no questions asked I mean you are right. It's pesky idea like freedom that ruined modern society
>>738865396it's because for whatever reason they hate themselves and thus, nationalism. I'm surprised the retards haven't made a commie mod for Skyrim or some shit
>>738869837Ulfric not being first up was obviously Thalmor interference. You see them present when you ride in. It is in their best interest to keep the conflict in skyrim going.
>>738868509To take over SkyrimNords die out if all their kids come out red eyed and grey.
>>738870146>>738870065the empire captain could chose to:>kill the most wanted man on skyrim first, dealing a huge blow to your opposition and avoiding any more trouble>kill random hobo firstevil people from evil empire
>>738869683They only lick the boot when there's a pride flag on it.
>>738870257What was their plan to save him? Alduin showing up was a one in a million chance of divine intervention. They genuinely have nothing to lord over or use to aid in their prolonging of Ulfric's life. The Empire is taking care of their mutual problem at least what they want others to think.
>>738870345see >>738870257
>>738870257>When Imperial fucked up it's actually just Thalmor bros!Keep your headcanon to yourself and stop writing fanfiction
>>738870373In the cut dialog they demanded custody so he could accidentally escape to prolong the conflict.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQHqxR55JhM
It becomes even more true to life when you understand while the Stormcloaks themselves have honest intentions regarding their ethnic nationalism, their cult-of-personality leader is being manipulated indirectly (Ulfric has no real knowledge of how he's being played) by a shadowy foreign nation to force both sides, Stormcloaks and the Empire, into an eternal stalemate that will slowly kill both sides so said shadowy government can takeover.
>>738870732Ulfric himself has no honest intentions, it's a fairly straight egotistical power-grab by a hypocritical military tyrant - you'll notice that 100% of his victims are in fact Nords who don't agree to be ruled by him, and not elves, orcs, cats, or lizards.
>>738866643zesty nigga
The strangest thing about the empire willing to chop your head off is how little sense it makes as a non-nord.Like if you are a Nord it makes sense they assume you must be a stormcloak since they caught you around the same time same place. But what if you're an Altmer? or a fellow Imperial? why would they assume you are a rebel then?
>>738870879>Stormcloak the supposed racists faction>Windhelm housed the largest number of Dunmer and Khajit in game
>>738871010and argoniansand somehow fucking altmer
>>738871010>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""housed""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""They slept in the docks and are almost universally barred from entering the city itself.
>>738871008Power tripping Imperial Captain. When Imperial legalized concentration camp and secret police in Skyrim, some amongst them probably thought they were invincible
>>738866940women aren't racist chuds
>>738871010>>738871059Always made me laugh how the Dunmer were shown to be shittiest migrants of the lot.>Given an entire quarter of the city>It's a run down shithole filled with crime>Guards refuse to patrol it because it's gotten so bad>Every house and shop is a dilapidated cobweb filed dumo>Constantly bitch and whine and refuse to integrate>Argonians get the one dock warehouse to themselves>It's pristine and neatly organized>They work the docks despite the abysmal pay>Their only real act of rebellion is stealing the odd wine bottle nobody would notice has gone missing
>>738870879This is further illustrated by the fact he Kills Torygg and then hides behind 'Nord honor duel' but doesn't demand a moot and immediately starts a rebellion instead.The whole point of the Nord duel is to show your dissatisfaction with the current High King or ruler and create a call for replacement through the moot which Ulfric never follows through with despite having five jarls at the time that support him.He could become High King without the conflict.If the Thalmor or Imperials interfere then his justification of them interfering in Nord ways is further founded.
>>738871230>filed dumo*filled dumpMy ass needs sleep.
>>738871059The best part about the Altmer merchant is she even says the Dunmer are fucking stupid and should just integrate like she did.
>>738871230All the dunmer in Skyrim are, may Azura forgive me for uttering their wretched name, exiled hl**lu
>>738871230They are dark elvesThose niggers are always evil
It ain't just Windhelm. Riften at the ass end of the map started Stormcloak too and they also had a large Dunmer and Argonian population. Something about those Nords
>>738866264I wonder if there's a particular foreign authority that may be largely responsible for the gradual destruction and erosion of Nordic traditions that used to include a deep understanding of powerful magics. Some sort of Empire, perhaps. If only there was a rebel group that could oppose that hypothetical foreign power and show explicit interest in renewing Skyrim's ancient traditions and way of life.
>>738871271The whole "honor duel" was such a fucking sham too, Ulfric practically forced King Torygg to accept in order to not lose respect.Like Torygg was a fairly young king, probably never fought a real battle in his life, going up against an actual experienced veteran of the war who also has the Thu'um, plus he was secretly still worshipping Talos and would have been willing to side with Ulfric in a rebellion had the man just asked him.
>>738871382Hey now, not all of them are Hlaatu scum, Brelyna up at the college is proper Telvanni stock.
>>738871593>>738871271don't forget he illegally used a Shout - befouling the entire Greybeard tradition - to destroy Torygg and then lied to your face about dispatching him with a sword
>>738866381>The empire is going at them with politics and building allies from other areasThe Empire has done literally nothing to prepare for fighting the Thalmor. Quite the opposite. Since the Great War the Empire has only allowed itself to get weaker and more heavily influenced by the Thalmor, while the Thalmor are the ones taking obvious strides and efforts to get ready. The Empire has only LOST allies from other areas (its two strongest allies, the Redguards and Nords) because of how eager they were to politically fuck them over.The Empire isn't forward-thinking anymore. They have no interest in preserving and protecting humanity (or their subjects in general), which is why all of their provinces are abandoning ship. The Empire is corrupt and decayed, and its leadership is only interested in trying to preserve their power and decadence for a bit longer before it inevitably collapses. The Empire circa Skyrim is perhaps the biggest example of a failed Empire I can think of in fantasy fiction. It's an active detriment to all of its subjects and to itself. Even if you support the Empire's values, you shouldn't want to preserve its rotting husk any longer.
>>738866952There was a slew of comics and movies about edgelord superman killing people in the 2010s Shit is barely subversive
>>738867860Skyrim’s opening really works heavily in the Stormcloak’s favour. Helped by the fact that Ralof is genuinely a bro.
>>738871271>He could become High King without the conflict.>If the Thalmor or Imperials interfere then his justification of them interfering in Nord ways is further founded.Did you miss the whole part about opening the city gate because the Imperials would have legit killed him where he stands for winning?
>violent>proudly ignorant to their own detriment>constantly ask you to do things for them >get played by a shadowy glowie elf organization into engineering their own destructionthis is supposed to be the proud white nationalist stand-in according to /v/
Now we only need the Imperial to fuck over the Breton to complete the package of betraying literally every people who helped found their Empire
>>738864468Isn't the story of this game fucking bullshit, or at least poorly presented if there indeed was something worth looking into? The more I learned, the more it seemed like it was picking between red or blue. I chose the Imperials because I like the Roman theme better than a Nordic theme.Let's start with the initial choice.Imagine getting summarily sentenced to be executed, but then a monster attacks and a prisoner and a guard both call you to follow them to safety. Should you go with a guard that probably is better armed and equipped or some guy you shared the gallows with? That depends on the crime you were being executed for, right? And what were you being executed for? Association, and that is something they will probably turn a blind eye on if you all survive, especially if you're willing to help people survive the attack. Go with a random group of prisoners and now you're stuck with them in who knows where and now you for sure have to kill and steal to survive.I don't even remember the story beats. I know I heard of Ulric killing the previous king because he felt he was allowed to and the Empire being weak but at what point was I supposed to support the Stormcloaks? Why? What did the game do to incentivize a choice?
>>738871593>>738871672I still just dislike he tries to justify it through Nord Tradition but doesn't actually follow through with it by not calling for an immediate moot to determine a new High King.Frankly to me Ulfric doesn't care about Skyrim and Nord traditions as much as creating an Empire that didn't lose. He thinks other Imperials betrayed him by not continuing fighting the Thalmor and wants to rectify that but goes about it through a weird Nordic nationalism.He just isn't honest in my opinion and I have a hard time joining him in playthroughs.
>>738871059>The Altmer alchemist is a bit abrasive, but then again he's a dying old man, who in spite of it still chose to take in a human apprentice and he's desperate to fulfill his life's dream on borrowed time, so he can kinda be excused>The Altmer merchant lady is obviously shady, but she's integrated really well into Windhelm's society and it's obvious most people in the city like her>She's integrated so well in fact that she calls the Dunmer fucking worthless scum who are too lazy to work and make a name for themselves rather than bitching about mistreatment all day long>The Dunmer get really butthurt if you dare accuse them of working for the Imperials>Got to the Dunmer tavern upstairs>Find an Imperial armor
>>738872140something with bethesda's storytelling is that they do a really bad job of engineering their storytelling around open-ended exploration and player decisionmaking. it often feels like they have a linear story concept they like and then they work backwards to make it work in a non-linear game.in that vein they probably expect the player to go with the stormcloaks because they saved them from the imperials unjustly executing them only for you to go to their capitol and go "the stormcloaks are... le racist?!" and then have them tell you to betray the whiterun jarl who's been nothing but helpful to you immediately after
>>738872080But enough about chimperials
>>738869871This is in reference to Sati yes?
>>738872080The same "logic" in an even more damning light can be applied to the faggoty uppity Imperials, what's even your point?
>>738871983>Someone running in and ganking the King without much explanation except lol honor duel just accept it and then trying to run off seems to confuse and upset peopleHe still could call for a moot to establish himself as the actual High King through nordic methods without a needing a rebellion.I sure Dengeir was only displaced by Sidgeirr due to the splitting of the nation.He had the jarls.Yet he immediately rebels instead because he didn't want to own up to it.
>>738865396Not a lib but the whole civil war is just a smokescreen.The thalmor own the empire and benefit if they winThe thalmor also benefit from the region being destabilized by Ulfric "zesty nigga" stormcloak
>>738871557>If only there was a rebel group that could oppose that hypothetical foreign power and show explicit interest in renewing Skyrim's ancient traditions and way of life.If only. Too bad there's only a rebel group that's interested in observing Imperial traditions and religion.
>>738872324I think the reason Bethesda write their stories like that is so casual players have a linear story they can follow if they just want to finish the game. Skyrim is probably one of their stronger main questlines simply because the story isn’t outright terrible, it’s just very unremarkable to the point of being forgettable.
>>738872475yes but I was calling the original poster an ESL jeet masquerading as a wignat by associating with Skyrim ragebait
Since I got you all here, I am new to Skyrim but im struggling around level 20 despite playing on the default difficulty. I can handle dragons strangely fine but shit like bears, sabercats and draugr lords are becoming a problem if I dont get the drop on them. I havent really invested into blacksmithing or alchemy yet but I am storing all my materials I pick up.How are you supposed to go about leveling those and improving armor without also padding your level resulting in tougher enemies? Im using thieves guild set right now because I like the passives but I can change it out for better once I make my own enchants. I just dont wanna 'break' the game with the endlessly looping enchanting stuff.
>>738872324I think it was stupid of them to not have the initial scenario being the two sides working together through the attack, have them fend off undead or something. I mean, the guys knew each other, right? It must have been a consideration at some point. I believe they could've maybe had them drop enough lore while swinging swords for the player to actually make a choice when the starting scenario ends.
>>738872689i think it's one of their worst desu
>>738872634The Thalmor also benefit from the Empire being so lax. The Emperor himself admits at the end of the Dark Brotherhood questline that he was a shit Emperor, which is part of why he just lets you assassinate him.
>>738866907>>cheatswrong>>with a childlol
People do talk with Torygg to ask how he feels in Sovngard and aren't just making shit up to defend their favourite fictional good guy right? Impossible. This is /v/
>>738872880See, this is a valid point if there was a mention of the guy's age somewhere before you might be expected to have joined either faction. Was there?
>>738869168>the good guys across multiple games?Literally only the good guys in Oblivion and I guess Arena. They're explicitly the villains in Redguard, they're absent in Battlespire, and there's a huge theme of how there's no such thing as a righteous Empire in Morrowind. In Daggerfall the Empire are kind of just an authoritarian, unjust option and you see that they horribly abused those loyal to them for power in the first place. And Skyrim obviously has them as morally grey at best.>stableThere's been an overarching theme for the entire series (every single entry besides Battlespire) of how the Empire is dying and on the road to eventual collapse.
My problem with the Stormcloaks is that the game sets you up to head to Whiterun first and get all buddy buddy with Balgruuf, then once you get to Ulfric he basically gives you no choice but to go and lead an assault against the city and Jarl.
>>738864468Nord nationalism was created by Elenwen, chud. It's right there in the files.
Tbh the Greybeards are responsible for a lot of shit about the current state of the Nord's culture. They changed the tradition of Thuum being used for war into some kind of mystical worship. It served to dumb down the entire people. Which is probably the point
>>738864468>be a retard who cannot grasp the current large scale strategy>have a spergout and fight against the best chance of your potential ally in the next big fight>the real enemy sits back and has a laughexactly like real life
>>738864468Lets look at all the facts of the issue:>Empire, due to war banned your ancestral religion and fucked up the last war.>empires enemy is the Altmeri dominion, who forced the religious ban, and plan on enslaving the non-mer.>In Altmeri embassy, you see the stormcloak rebellion and Ulfrics escape and estrangement from empire being deliberately stoked. Its left vague if Ulfric is a true mindwashed agent, or just experienced torture and turned on them.>both empire and the stormcloacks are corrupt or inept, with Riften and Markarth being on opposite factions but as just as corrupt.It is debatable if an independent Skyrim can be a greater threat to Altmeri Dominion than a post-civil war Empire, but it is a fact it would have been a greater threat without the civil war happening in the first place.The entire skyrim debate falls more to: Are you more anti-Altmeri, or pro-skyrim?
>>738864468Even if you ignore the part where Ulfric was just a Manchurian candidate for the Thalmor and he was personally responsible for Talos worship being banned by loudly demanding it be allowed when the ban wasn't even being enforced, he still killed his king, Skyrim's king, by cheating in a duel. Also his own city is full of fucking Argonians and Dunmer and is arguably a bigger shithole than Riften, this is the kidn of Skyrim the Stormcloaks are fighting for.
Is there any mod that expands cities in Skyrim and makes them more interesting? Hell I can barely call the "cities" in Skyrim cities as it is.I remember there used to be a neat mod that made the grey quarter look a lot like a place out of Morrowind, but I think that got nuked on Nexus.I think the biggest issue with Bethesda games in general besides them obviously just being dogshit, is that most cities and settlements look the fucking same.>>738873350>The same files also say that Ulfric and the Stormcloaks winning would also be bad for the Aldmeri
>>738872080>>violent>>proudly ignorant to their own detriment>>constantly ask you to do things for them >>get played by a shadowy glowie elf organization into engineering their own destructionHonestly this describes literally every single race, faction, and organization in the series.
>>738873390>Also his own city is full of fucking Argonians and Dunmer and is arguably a bigger shithole than Riften, this is the kidn of Skyrim the Stormcloaks are fighting for.Is that why most Imperial fans use the racist talking point against Stormcloak?
>>738872541His entire complaint is that the moot and the office of High King has been a sham for hundreds of years because it's all just corrupted by Imperial influence. And he's correct. Even Jarl Balgruuf admits to having taken bribes from the Empire to agree with what they want. It's kind of a deliberate detail that the most Stormcloak-loyal provinces are also the poorest provinces because they get fucked by Imperial taxes (or neglect by the Empire) and don't take the bribes to make up for it. You'd have to be a naive idiot to just go>Yeah the correct way to to oppose this foreign Imperial power is to oppose them in the official channels that they organize and are in control of :)
>>738868635If by city level strength you mean they can flatten a city in a minute or two if they aren't being opposed. Nolan conquered an entire planet by himself just to keep them from conquering Earth and to build him a portal back to Earth under threat of dropping a giant asteroid on their heads(which he did anyway once they finished the portal and he didn't need them anymore).
>>738870519>Huohuo and Cornapproved!
Why do Nords care so much about some Breton guy from High Rock that went to Skyrim once and spent most of his life in Cyrodiil? Tiber Septim wasn't a fucking Nord. But he was the biggest mer-lover you'll ever find and a completely dishonest piece of shit. Well, these last two parts are probably very relatable for Ulfric.
>>738864468I am patriotic, my allies might not be, I do not care who gets my agenda through be it a Kike, Nigger, Spic, Asian (as long as they aren't a chink) or another Cracker. Enemy of my enemy is my friend and I'm more than willing to toss the non-beneficial allies down to the oubliette at a moment's notice of actual corruption, as long as they get to do their job first. (cleanse the filth and vermin criminal class out of the country, freedoms don't mean taking advantage of law abiding citizens, fuck you.) The next person in line may reset the retarded harms done.
>>738869484>>738869442>>738869364>>738869008>>738868221>>738870082Is there a Paint friendly black and white template? Or is it all AI slop, mixed with handcrafted edits of the original panel?I miss the days when the templates were the first thing to become popular. I miss Paint threads in general
>>738873358>Jurgen Windcaller at the behest of Ambition Overlord Cruelty teaches Nords that the Thu'um is not to be used in war>slowly the capability to shout amongst Nords dies out>now the knowledge and teaching of the Thu'um is controlled by the adherents of Paarthurnax's philosophy>including the one shout that counters dragons, which the greybeards begrudgingly send you to Paarthurnax to learn so that you can kill the only dragon higher than him in the food chainmore noooticing>>738873439You lost chuddie. We know Elenwen met up with Ulfric a day before /shor/ was created.
>>738873878Because, like it or not, he mantled Shor and ascended to divinity, which fulfils part of the Nordic religious tradition regarding Shor's return. Anybody that fusses over Talos not being a REAL Nordic god just doesn't understand the Nordic view of living and dead gods.
>>738872880please explain how using a divine power famously practiced by peaceful monks to rend a man asunder and then fleeing this totally legal and honorable duel like a common criminal was very honorable and nordlike
>>738873591If someone promises an ethnostate but is making no effort to establish one it's a good reason to criticize them regardless of what your political position is. Stormcloak supports are the equivalent of people that vote for kosher right-wingers and then are suprised the governement starts importing Khajit and imprisoning people for criticizing the Aldmeri Dominion.;
>>738873390>He doesn't want Argonians
>>738874042Right, he should've finished the job and killed the dude's second. They would've learned that he truly was the winner of the duel. If the duel didn't state "we shall only use weapons" that means magic and anything else is rightfully to be used, the winner is determined by who lives, not by law of some book whose rules weren't applied to the duel.
>>738865396The (((Thalmor)))
>>738874042Honorable duel is both parties fighting to the best of their abilities without outside interference.Honorable duel is not one side gimping itself till it is just as weak as the other.
>>738874139>imprisoning people for criticizing the Aldmeri Dominion.;But that already happened in game?
>>738874042Because there is literally nothing in any part of any lore in the entire series that says using Shouts isn't allowed in a duel. Intentionally not using a skill he controls to gimp himself isn't honorable, it's stupid. The Greybeards are not a legal authority, they're just some random monks that are gatekeeping a specific form of magic. Their gatekeeping is also a relatively niche thing and there's nothing in Nordic views that say that it's dishonorable or bad to use the Thu'um for war unless you, yourself, are a Greybeard (because it was used like that for thousands of years before Windcaller got butthurt and decided to force everybody to become pacifists through violence). If, for example, Ulfric or the Dragonborn decided to start teaching people the Thu'um outside of the control of the Greybeards, they would have no authority to tell them to fuck off because the Greybeards are just respected but have no actual authority. They're Shaolin monks that can cast spells.>then fleeing this totally legal and honorable duel like a common criminal was very honorable and nordlikeThe entire point is that the Imperials didn't recognize the duel as valid in any way (because it followed Nordic law, not Imperial law, and more importantly because they didn't like the outcome). So they were going to kill him on the spot despite him doing nothing wrong by the standards of Nordic custom. That's LITERALLY the whole reason he did it. It was something he knew was fine for Nords but that the Imperials would react negatively towards. It divides Skyrim between people who value Nord law (who think he did nothing wrong) and people who only care about Imperial law (who will say he's a murderer because they don't recognize the duel as valid). Your ocmplaint here is basically that he didn't just sit there and let the foreign power he hates kill him because they don't like what he did.
>>738874264...except the Voice is not supposed to be used in petty duels by anyone, something Ulfric knew very well since that's what was taught to him
>>738874004>Ulfric started acting unwise due to Mer pussySHORely it can't be true.........can it?
>>738874264An honorable duel in Nordic tradition (Real World) was Holmgoing (Islandwalking), it was basically just two dudes in a ring/island (marking the border) getting to take shots at the other with a weapon, think a dark souls boss fight, another method was establishing the rules of conduct of a duel and letting the challenged determine the weapon of choice and place, in most civilized countries, people had certain practices regarding duels before them dying out mostly in the 19th century.
>>738874208>>738874264>>738874369>be the only guy in my country that knows Power Word: Testicular Explosion>go around challenging people to duels (they have to accept because it's the rules)>I am now legally allowed to cast Power Word: Testicular Explosion on them, instantly killing them>I am very honor
>>738867957Invincible got incredibly popular due to the animated series.
>>738874529Yes, they didn't say "Sure but on condition of we establish rules first." Cunning is a virtue in Nordic society so is wit of their mind.
>>738874042See heres the thing. Culturally the Nords accepted the usage of and practice of the Thuum by the time of Skyrim was for veneration of the gods and spiritual tranquility. They also heavily revere the Greybeards. Ulfric abused an ability he learned in a duel he could've easily won, but it was also never stated he couldn't use it to begin with. Because the Nords don't really have some official law or stigma against it, the Greybeards and Windcaller just have a monopoly on it. Its clear to anyone with a functioning brain Ulfric did it as an example of his own personal strength and power to show people the lost cultural arts and abilities they're capable of. Simply defeating Torygg and sparing him out of pity might have had the same effect, but thats dealing in hypotheticals.
>>738874442Yeah and in Skyrim there's not a single piece of dialogue, text, or other lore saying that Ulfric cheated in the duel and that Shouts weren't allowed. It's entirely a Mandela Effect thing from illiterate lorelets that think the reason Imperials don't like the duel is because he cheated and violated Nordic law (and not that they just don't recognize Nordic law in the first place).>>738874529By the lore, that's explicitly how it works, yes. Maybe they should have worked harder and learned how to cast Power Word: Implosive Diarrhea. There's literally nothing stopping anyone from becoming stronger. They don't even need a fancy skill to win, as Tongues can easily get bodied by warriors that are skilled enough.
I hope every n'wah kills eachother leave me alone
People can't admit that even if Ulfric won normally, Imperials would never let him go either way. It's just politics. But that would be admitting that Imperial deliberately controlled Nord culture and politics
>>738874656it's not even nordic law, ulfric has a very convenient interpretation of the ancient custom of duels, which another man in game contradicts, and it hasn't been in effect for ages
>>738874737>>738874706
>>738874626Only guy that fucking gets it lmao.
>>738874737>which another man in game contradictsSurely you've got a source to back that up, and surely it's not some biased pro-Imperial goober.
>>738874706But the Nords accepted imperial rule and worship of an imperialized deities. This would be like people in Greece complaining that they have to obey Roman law when they worship Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and jerk off to Roman women in art.
>>738874604Ulfric was just a massive pussy and a weakling. That was the only way he could win because he was weak.
>>738874860fighting is wrong to begin with so if you're going to fight it might as well be dirty
>>738874826>complain about how your culture has been fucked by the foreign Imperial power and that you want to return to your old way of life and reclaim your heritage>>um but you're partaking of the culture you hate idiotYeah, the whole point is that they want to stop doing the thing you're criticizing them for.They accepted Imperial rule when the Empire explicitly and effectively represented their interests. Now that it doesn't and it's actively fucking them over for its own benefit after they've suffered centuries of cultural erosion, they want to leave the Empire behind.
>>738874529Hey, it's not outlawed in the rules, sure it's overkill, but fuck it. It's a duel to prove one's might.The Imperials blatantly admit they wanted Ulfric's head and didn't give a single shit about Nord customs or what was allowed during the duel, they wanted their opposition gone. The ruling bodies in Skyrim blatantly admit multiple times they take bribes from the Empire and will sell out to them every time, look at Falkreath, look at Balgruf's dialogue and look at the Riften replacement Jarl on the Imperial side in Maven Blackbriar.Anyone who sides the Imperials is a piece of shit who's more interesting in money than anything else, their loyal is more often than not bought and paid for. They want money, Balgruf was an idiot who let a petty slight control the future of his hold.
>>738874908>if you're going to fight it might as well be dirtynigger could just say the dark brotherhood are honourable duellist since every assassination is technically a duel.
>>738874737Even in Finnish mythology Väinämöinen after being assaulted by Joukahainen who perceived Väinämöinen's rhymes and wisdoms as personal insults and failures on his part, took up his sword to go after the sage and Väinämöinen "used the voice" (think bardic magic) to sing Joukahainen into a swamp and drown him to death. That was an honorable self defense and a duel of wit, ancient peoples did not have a concept of restraining power to combat one's enemies. That's modern brainrot.
>>738865396Leftists aren't anti-authoritarian, and never have been. They are just against authoritarians other than them being in charge.
>>738874860Why is Torygg simultaneously a smol heckin childerino who was helpless against the great big monster Ulfric but also an ultragigachad who could utterly destroy Ulfric if they clashed swords?
>>738875060Because Ulfric the Raped was so utterly buckbroken by Thalmor he stopped being able to fight like a man
>>738864468If the Skyrim story was set in Hammerfell with the Redguards being the Storncloaks it's clear example of colonisation would be pointed out all the time.But because Nords look European, they have to blast it as racism because they think European nationalism is either evil or gets in their way.>Government brings in a bunch of foreigners>They destroy your way of life>They get land>They bring foreign religions that are hostile to you>Government sanctioned suppression of speechThe parallels are insane.
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>>738874993Fuck had a massive brainfart.who's more interested in money*their loyalty*
>>738866381>Siding with either is ultimately helping the Thalmor weaken Skyrim.The opposite dumbassThe war being prolonged is what they want, either side winning puts the target on them
FUCK NIGGERS
>>738875136>Government sanctioned suppression of speechAnd suppression of your religious worship.
>>738875136Anon, you are forgetting Greyhawk, it literally has brown tribal hordes invading white lands and making the lives of the multi-culti countries worse that are accepting of the presence of race mixing and other people in their groups, nobody finds the original Greyhawk problematic in any way, also Greyhawk is supposed to be America just a bit twisted as far as geographical shape goes if you want to analyse something.
>honorable"I challenge you to a duel, in which I will use my weapons, this sword and The Voice.">dishonorable"I challenge you to a duel. It will be totally fair. Lmao sike. Tricked. Fooled."
>>738864468>Empire loses the war EVEN WITH THE NORDS HELP>While they're reeling from the blows, trying to get back on their feet and reestablish their military The stormcloaks start chimping out>Start a fucking civil war because you think the Empire cannot protect you from Elves but you can definitely do it on your own even though you lost while fighting with the Empire before?His plan doesn't even make sense. He has a chimp out emotional reaction because the Elves beat the humans, including them. They're basically just pointing fingers. The real strategy is to build back up and counter attack the Thalmor, or simply tell them that you're not following the treaty anymore after a build up (Basically Hitler in the 30s style) and they can't do shit.Being a Stormcloak only makes sense if you're an overly emotional retard. Everyone logically knows that supporting the Empire is the long term way to reestablishing normalcy. The Empire shows *NO* sympathy or love for the Thalmor. They openly talk about biding their time until they can strike back.
>>738868125>are these guys just sayainsEssentially yes, but without Freeza lording over them.
>>738864959Ah yes because the Stormcloaks have a very sophisticated justice system in comparison.
>>738874935The two laws have nothing to do with each other. Banning Talos worship doesn't correlate to killing your king in ritual combat. One law clearly predates the other. The Nords got too complacent so now they have to accept it, in civilized society you don't get to pick and choose what laws you want to obey without consequence and people questioning the logic behind it.
>>738875408wrong, "I challenge you to a duel, any means necessary, any place, to death." - honorable.
>>738875408It's more dishonourable to toy with your opponent.If I get in the ring with Mike Tyson, I don't want to be disrespected by him playing with me and going easy, I want him to punch my jaw off because he takes fighting me seriously and isn't holding back.By not regarding your opponent as a serious threat, you are disrespecting them.
Stormcucks love the "the Thalmor don't want either side to win" argument, but think about it this way: why didn't the Thalmor just kill big bad Ulfric instead of administering him like a virus to Skyrim same as how Lenin was administered to Russia by the Germans? What did the Thalmor seek to end? It was the Empire with Skyrim in it and no civil war. Obviously an Empire with Skyrim in it and no civil war would be the worst possible outcome for them then. Independent Skyrim isn't gonna do shit to the Aldmeri Dominion and would divert a bunch of Imperial troops because that relationship is gonna stay strained for a while. Obviously an endless civil war where as many Men die is possible would be preferrable to even that scenario, but that's just a fantasy.
>>738865396>claim to be able to beat the thalmor by themselves>can't even beat a half-ass imperial force
>>738875494by your logic saying this and then bringing a nuke would be honorable>>738875530it would be more like challenging mike tyson and then he pulls out a glock and blows you away
>>738875268Not that anon, but-It's almost as if the subversive bullcrap has been going on for a lot longer than most wish to admit.>>738875430>People get emotional over their lands, culture and heritage being raped and destroyed by foreignersHoly shit, that's crazy nigger.Reddit is truly sending it's strongest soldiers today I see.
>>738875530>when i challenge someone to a fistfight, i want them to pull their gun out so i know they are fighting me seriously.this is what too much anime watching does to a nigga.
>>738875665Yes, I don't see a logic issue, I didn't provide a caveat, did I?
>>738875469Ulfric was the one who got Talos worship banned de-facto and not just de-jure, and he did it on purpose. He literally stirred up a problem just so he could rally support around fixing it. In a sense he's one of the most realistic political leaders in a videogame ever, and by that I mean he has no integrity or loyalty to anything and is a faithless opportunist.
>>738875669where does the skyrim duel rules say no shouting swords only final destination
>>738875430The Empire lost the war because they gave up and sold the Nords and Redguards out since the Empire was tired of fighting. The Redguards seceded and then proved that the Empire easily could have won if they kept fighting. The entire point is to show that the Empire is holding the provinces back (which is why everybody besides High Rock and Skyrim, the two most loyal provinces, have already left). The Redguards and Nords would both be far more capable of defending themselves and fighting the Aldmeri Dominion on their own than they are under the Empire, not to mention they could form an alliance outside of the Empire. Both of them shed a lot of blood and suffered a lot of losses fighting on behalf of the Empire only to get their asses fucked by the White-Gold Concordat.It's genuinely very likely that an independent Skyrim would stand a better chance against the Dominion than a Skyrim under the Empire. The Redguards already proved that they could stand up to the Dominion on their own and win.
>>738875668Greyhawk was literally pointing out "maybe this shit isn't functioning for a society to let race mixing and foreigners invade our lands without checks and balances to make sure they don't corrupt our countries." Yet it was mostly liberals who made that setting what it was. Gygax would've been considered woke as fuck by most conservatives now. (Trans elves and whatever the fucking else weird pulp fuckery was going on in those settings. Like for example, you can't tell if the queer male elf is a female or not or if the bearded dwarf is a male or not.) It was just mostly american humor and whatever Gary and his crew thought was cool at the time without much thought otherwise.
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>>738868509Because wombs and swords are what take over countries and sometimes you don't have enough swords
>>738868132Yeah, nobody mentioned dickgirls or trannies. Read a book tard
>>738875820Factually untrue and this whole idea comes from a single piece of dialogue from a guy that doesn't like Ulfric, and the concept doesn't even line up with reality. The event that supposedly caused the ban to start getting enforced was the Markarth Incident. Which took place like four months after the White-Gold Concordat was signed, and 25 years before the game takes place. If the claim is true then there was maybe half a year where the Thalmor weren't kidnapping and killing people, then 25 years where they were. It's retarded to go>they only started enforcing it because Ulfric complained!
>>738875842>where does the skyrim duel rules say no shouting swords only final destinationof all the ulfric apologist arguments, this is surely the worst
>>738864468so, the uk?
>>738875842Can you find an example of someone using Thu'um in duels since 1st era (we're in the 4th btw)? That's how customary law works, if nobody has done it for a thousand years it's not allowed. Traditions are not things you jew your way out of on a technicality.
>>738875820I agree but the empire did sign a treaty to ban it, that doesn't just affect Skyrim but all of Tamriel that they control. And they freely let enemy justiciars police the society they claim to want to benefit. Ultimately and what people don't truly get after 16 years of this game existing is the issue is alot more grey than people realize. But since theres no satisfying resolution to it and its got bad writing in various other places people discuss it.
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>>738875145the americanites
>>738875665No because he knew Ulfric had the voice. For Mike to shoot me it would be akin to me threatening to fight him in the street, while knowing he has a gun, and then he shoots me.>>738875669>AnimeOnly ever watched Cyberpunk Edgerunners.It's from doing actual combat sport, it feels disrespectful to fight against someone who clearly isn't able to beat you and to start going easy on them. It also looks humiliating to watch someone completely outmatched get played with.However you are right about getting into a fight and pulling out a gun. We don't have guns here but I intentionally avoid fights because I expect anyone with a knife to try and stab me if we get into a fight.
>>738875924Even Ulfric knows not to mess with mandatory main quest locations
>>738876171the Voice wasn't a weapon you shitskin kike
>>738876171>For Mike to shoot me it would be akin to me threatening to fight him in the street, while knowing he has a gun, and then he shoots me.In that situation literally anyone would expect the other person not to shoot themliterally anyone except an american, maybeI like how you felt the need to add "threatening" when ulfric was the challenger, because it's the only way you could possibly rationalize a fair street brawl involving a gun because your opponent is "taking you seriously"
>>738876171>It's from doing actual combat sport, it feels disrespectful to fight against someone who clearly isn't able to beat you and to start going easy on them.So clearly in your retarded brain you can realize a duel has rules, even if both contestants are meant to give it their all. And pulling out a gun in a fist fight is not within those rules, even if in that case your oponent is not giving "Their All, Finally, a True Fight, i am so Nature, Tooth and Claw right now!"
>>738876136I think the biggest writing on the wall here is Ulfric being saved by the Nord equivalent of Satan
>>738875898It's never lacking in thought dude, a lot of these fags who used to make questionable queer shit like this are just subversive libshits and jews bidding their time. I mean look at Fallout's creators, both are liberal fucktards who pretend not to understand the points people are raising against them and they constantly make subversive commentaries trying to pretend that the horrid shit going on with games today just aren't happening with cherry picked lies. I'm pretty sure Chris Avelorne made a seething commentary because people were made with faggots being shoved in games and he pretended it wasn't an issue, as it turns out he's gay.Giving these "people" the benefit of the doubt is a mistake.>>738875974This.Many Asian tribes used to send their women and children towards the nations of their enemies first to try and slowly destabilize them.>>738875924You can't even kill enemy commanders and destroy Imperial outposts, even after finishing the civil war quest, that's just Bethesda being lazy as shit.
>>738869008its not funny, its the current FOTM and engagement bait. you are not witty or with it, you are a tool.
>>738866643now show the american version
>>738876040>Posting Greybeards as if they're some authority on traditions older than themselvesRetard.
>>738876253Yes it was you retard?It was given to the Nords to even the fights with the Dragons. It was used for warfare until they lost a battle and some retards ego got hit so much he decided no one else should use it as a weapon.>>738876317I had to add threatening because it's the only way I could address you bringing up an external weapon being used in my example.Another example is if I decide to fight Mike Tyson, who's armed with a gun and I'm unarmed. That's the equivalence.Torygg knew Ulfric had the Thu'um.>>738876408>not within those rulesWhat's the rule about duels in Skyrim? Because as far as I'm aware the only rule is that the High King has to accept the duel on pain of losing kingship and the afterlife.
>>738876668bro...
>>738876478What about Tracy Hickman and the others who clearly spoke out against the woke? Gary's company TSR was stolen from him by an actual libshit woman who wanted to destroy D&D as a hobby. TSR did not care for political dogma, their philosophy: make games other people want to play and let them make their own settings, rules and game ethics: we don't need to enforce those things by law, I assume everyone even kids are able to use their common sense to see what's right behavior and what's wrong among friends. Gygax also was happy working with an OSR crew when it came to his last bit of work going to Castles & Crusades before he passed away. He certainly wasn't one of the woke libs, more of a Classical Liberal, live and let live, do as you want policy.
>>738876737>Now he's posting a pic of dragonGenuine question, are you retarded?
>>738876668the absolute state of stormcucks
>>738870519>nunime shitwell i don't notice some oldnimes
>>738864468You’re supposed to side with no one, your position as Dragonborn is too important to waste on petty squabbling.
>>738876668Greybeards are a 1st Era organization, dipshitThey are certainly older than fucking Talos worship which was oh-so important to Ulfric Elflover
>>738876781>pic>>738876690There would be the implicit understanding that he would not use the gun.>n-no, you didn't say it out loud, so anything goes!anyone who witnessed that fight would call him a murdereralso, it was well within Ulfric's ability to leave his opponent alive, and the ancient custom does not require a fight to the death, there is a book in game featuring a warrior from sovngarde that has a duel that is not to the death
>>738876850Soul Eater is like 20 years old
>>738876929stormcucks really are the groypers of the Elder Scrolls
>>738872162The moot is currently compromised due to the thalmor paying off the vast majority of the jarls (even on the stormcloak side, fuck jarl laila for trusting maven black-briar)He's not an idiot, he and galmar were discussing how the jarls are so saturated with corruption that they'd elect elisif despite her being completely unsuited for the role of High Queen before the player walks in. Skyrim's savior will not be found sitting on a throne, they're all shit and ulfric is aware of this which is why he doesn't bother with politics>>738873308Balgruuf (guy who took literal CHESTS of gold from the thalmor) is a traitor. Ulfric thought he was a true nord and even liked balgruuf, but balgruuf is the one who makes the call to side with the empire>we nords are the Empire>oUR bLoOD BUiLT iT, oUr BLOoD SuSTaiNs It!Fucking dumbass... I always hated him after going stormcloak>>738874139There is no ethnostate being made, skyrim will still accept foreigners living in skyrim but the only thing they want is to stop being taxed or their gods censored by the BIG ASS EMPIRE currently fucking them in the ass. They're not /pol/-tier chuds but they do want liberty and I see nothing wrong with any side of the political spectrum siding with themThey're the goodest of good guys in ANY GIVEN SCENARIO, the empire that governs other people's countries and allows foreign nations to kill their own people with a snap of their fingers is far more pants-on-head retarded to use as a beacon of civilization>>738876136Absolutely retarded, this doesn't even make note of the fact that skyrim is currently BROKE and the empire doesn't care about the fact that skyrim's lands are being raped while the vast majority have turned to banditry to surviveThe empire has no plan to return to war with the thalmor either, so that point is moot. Plenty of npcs on the imperial side including elisif, erikur and balgruuf make mention that the empire can't fucking support another war, they're DONE
>>738864468If you actually role-play and use alternate start mods, there's little reason to ever side with the Stormcloacks. There's little reason to even start the Civil War unless you play as a Skyrim-born Nord.
>>738876981what did i say
>>738877016Nick Gayntes should be gassed me thinks, guy's a subversive jew who works for SPLC and Soros pretending to be a "Nazi"/"Alt-Right" (cough cough, pro China goon.)
>>738876929>Retard still thinks some reclusive hippies are an authority on ancient nord traditionslol
>>738877180Literally the entire game revolves around them being authorities on ancient nord traditions.
>>738877082>There is no ethnostate being made>They're not /pol/-tier chudsWow, I guess "Skyrim for the Nords" actually meant "Skyrim for everybody", typical cuck-out from Stormcloaks. Tell me, how many elves has Ulfric and the Stormcloaks killed, and how many men?
>>738876742It's a slippery slope problem, you give them an inch and they will demand a mile type of problem. You should never tolerate these people regardless, saying classic liberals aren't pozzed to shit is hilarious, I mean, fags seem to forget that uncle Adolf came to power because Weimar Republic Germany and the Frankfurt School were, which were both utterly jewish, were destroying everything, the tactics they used are the exact same as "classic" liberals, the first tranny came about in Weimar Germany, degeneracy like this was rampant, it was everywhere, it's why the National Socialist party burned so many books, because they were riddled with filth. If you don't strike the problem at it's very root, it will grow back even stronger later. You don't just push back evil, you destroy it. I mean hell, Antifa had it's roots in the Weimar Republic too lest it be forgotten.>"B-but it's all seemingly innocent and in good fun!"That's how it always starts........
>>738867506You speak like a true Nord.
>Ulfric Stormcloak thusly found his honor unblemished thanks to his cunning application of Nordic law
>>738877082>THE NORD LEADERS ARE ALL THALMOR PUPPETS AND BETRAYER OF THE RACE, THAT'S WHY ULFRIC IS RIGHT TO PUT THEM ALL TO THE SWORD EVEN HIS SUPPORTERS!
>>738877258No it doesn't. The only thing have any authority on is who can learn the Thu'um, outside of that they have no say. Which is why Ulfric is able to wage war using the thu'um and the greycucks can only stay atop their frozen mountain, seething in silence.
>>738872728I mean Hadvar literally wants to do that but the stormcloaks in the tower immediately chimp out.
>>738877275>picrelSkyrim for the nords implies that the ruling class that decides skyrim's fate should be nords, not the imperials, lorelet.
>>738876929Is the custom about High Kings?Because the High Kings are bound by honour to accept duels or forfeit Sovngarde. Quite clearly the implication of the duel is that it's a duel for the Kingdom of Skyrim.Would such a duel reasonably be until someone surrenders, if so would that also mean a High King that loses forfeits the Kingdom but what about Sovngarde? If they forfeit Sovngarde through surrendering in the fight, surely they'd fight until they've been killed.>would not use the gunWhich isn't a reasonable assumption because there's a very reasonable chance that he used the voice during the Great War. Meaning the odds are that he's known to use it as a weapon.You could say that a duel isn't a battlefield but that's just splitting hairs, we don't know instances in which he used it beforehand.
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>>738877362you already forgot paarthurnax existed, do you really want to add Ulfric using the greybeard's temple as a peaceful negotiation site because he respects them to that
>>738877275There is a difference between>This is our homeland and we should have the right to rule ourselves outside of foreign influenceand>GAS THE KHAJIIT RACE WAR NOWThe Stormcloaks are explicitly supportive of anybody that considers themselves a True Son or Daughter of Skyrim and that includes non-Nords. There are racist people supporting the Stormcloaks but the Stormcloak leadership isn't explicitly racist. Galmar even approves if you say Skyrim is your home despite not being a Nord.A lot of the resentment of the dark elves in Windhelm is that they've been living there for hundreds of years but refuse to fight for Skyrim or in support of the people that have been hosting them that entire time, which shows that they just don't consider Skyrim their true home after all of that time and that they refuse to integrate.
>>738868509in TES kids take after the motherif you fuck a dunmer chick you get a dunmer kid who'll call you N'wah
>>738877561People say this but then Bretons exist.
>>738877480I didn't forget he existed, that's just you assuming, as usual. >do you really want to add Ulfric using the greybeard's temple as a peaceful negotiation site because he respects them to thatThey used High Hrothgar because it is the only truly neutral place in Skyrim held by the only truly neutral faction.
Remember how Ulfric responded to the Markarth incident. He's a reactionary brutr who only understands violence. He'd try to shout the Thalmor apart and get burnt to cinders by a legion of battlemages. The empire is slowly falling apart, but a little stability and a gradual decline is better than complete societal collapse.
>>738877736All I'm hearing from you is that Ulfric doesn't give a fuck about Nord customs despite being the self-appointed champion of Nord values.
>>738877680I want to retort, but Katara makes me act mostly unwiseI have to leave now and fap furiouslyYou won
>>738877790He'd have to break his programming to actually take any action against the Thalmor, and whether he can even do so remains to be seen
>>738866952of all things to worry about being "subverted", capeshit really isn't one of them
>>738864468Explain your norman meme
>>738877790>p-please don't rebel against our dying empire, j-just pay your taxes and grit your teeth, goy!Behold, the imperialcuck in his final stage.
>so what if my glorious leader challenged the current king to a one sided duel and obliterated him then fled>so what if my glorious leader is considered an asset by enemy intelligence officers who intentionally released him after stoking his desire to rebelyou are now here>so what if my glorious leader who is famously racist recruited a high elf mage wearing bikini armor to do all of his work and lead all of his battles
>>738877284Sure they might be pozzed, but at least they aren't woke and about ruining your shit for a living. Antifa are mentally insane retards thoughbeit and no sane person associates with them in 2026, they are just Proto-Communist Revolutionaries (who want to establish some form of syndicalist socialism or whatever the fuck) who should be treated like terrorists they are. Only non-Pozzed commies I know are Che Guevara and Tito for being too based for the left to handle.
>>738877427Well when it comes to the Skyrim's ruling class only one person was raped and brainwashed by the Thalmor and it sure isn't anyone on the loyalist side. If I was a Nord I'd rather be ruled from the Imperial City than Alinor.
>>738877680Bretons used to look a lot more like Mer and had Mer features, but that was eroded, likely because Bethesda couldn't be arsed to make more character creation features.I mean Khajit and Argonians also vary a lot in morphology lore-wise.>>738877790>You have to be a brute during battles and warsWhat insightful commentary........
>>738877986You wouldn't even think to rebel unless the Thalmor wanted and told you to. Why did they want a rebellion in this moribund empire that they totally have no fear of again?
>>738877790>a bunch of violent barbarians stage an uprising and start killing the locals and overthrowing the legal authorities>the Empire explicitly does nothing about it because they're dickheads that don't protect their subjects>Ulfric steps in and resolves the problem with violence (which is how it started)>this makes him the bad guyDon't get taken in by the fucking book written by a biased Imperial scholar that had never even been to the Reach who talks about how peaceful and noble the Daedra-worshiping, human-sacrificing Forsworn were and how brutal Ulfric's response was. It's explicitly meant to be a display of how Imperial academia is propagandized. You should instead be asking why it was up to Ulfric to resolve a problem on Imperial land in which an Imperial-appointed ruler got overthrown by anti-Imperial rebels. Just like you should ask why it fell to Windhelm to handle a Dunmer refugee crisis instead of the Empire. Because they Empire doesn't fucking do anything for its people.
>>738877820What custom has he broken? The Way of the Voice isn't some agreed upon custom, Jurgen Windcaller literally shouted naysayers into compliance. The duel? Surely you aren't stupid enough to believe that using a power Nords used to take pride in is somehow against the rules. right?
>>738878141Ulfric has never once shown he is capable of any restraint. He would rather doom all of Skyrim than lose.
>>738876668Please go ahead and try to ritually sacrifice someone. I want to see you explain yourself to the police trying to argue that your ancestors did that thousands of years ago.Ulfric learned under the Greybeards and was part of that framework of traditions. He simply cherrypicked one thing from ages past to help him with his goals. It would have been a better point to rally around Kyne instead of Talos, but that wouldn't have been contemporary enough for him to get enough followers.
>>738878064>>so what if my glorious leader who is famously racist recruited a high elf mage wearing bikini armor to do all of his work and lead all of his battleshe just like me fr fr
>1v1 me in a duel to determine leadership as is our custom>Okay>*Uses forbidden magic shout to snap the other guy's neck as soon as he turns his back*
>>738878064Ulfric might be a scumbag, but that last one, the last one I would've done as well. Well maybe not since any bikini-wearing Altmer would be too busy being pregnant to do much fighting.
>>738878345honorable, clever even, it really is a mystery as to why everyone didn't just clap when ulfric proved what a smart boy he is
>>738877895He's already an uncooperative asset by the journal, and he already proves his desire to fight/fuck the elf chick elenwen during the negotiations that take place in the main storyThe ceasefire that (You) the player bring him to, by the way. He has no idea if the dragonborn is in the thalmors pocket but he trusts you and goes there anyway, I see this as a point to his trustworthiness as a character>>738878075>giving someone faulty information is the same as being mindwarped and turned into a droneImperialfags, this is your argument?
Using Bethesdaslop for your politics is low IQ
>>738878184>the Way of the Voice isn't some agreed upon custom, Jurgen Windcaller literally shouted naysayers into compliancefor a thousand yearsalso unlike Dragonborn, Ulfric did not have the Voice naturally, he had to learn it, meaning he had to agree to the rules established by Greybeards>using a power Nords used to take pride ina thousand years agoThis is like arguing human sacrifice is not against our human customs because it was done by the Romans on rare occasions in 300 BC
>>738878409>He's already an uncooperative asset by the journalWHILE CONTACT REMAINS POSSIBLE.He's literally one of the middle eastern warlords the US regularly use to destabilize the region.
>>738878409>He has no idea if the dragonborn is in the thalmors pocket but he trusts you and goes there anywayI wonder why he doesn't care if you're working for the Thalmor or not and has no fear of them
>>738878219A framework that came about by forcing people to submit. >It would have been a better point to rally around Kyne instead of TalosNo it wouldn't, Kyne worship isn't forbidden, Talos worship is. Imperialcucks are so fucking stupid man, running defence for such a dogshit, worthless empire that sold it's own subjects.
>>738878218>Sparred Elisif and many of the snakes operating as Jarls even though he had every single reason to do so>Tried to spare Rikke out of nothing but respect for her>She sperged out and forced Ulfric and Stormcloak high command to kill herDeath is preferable than living the rest of your life as a slave under a system that hates you.I'm pretty sure redditors like you basedface over the Argonian shit stains overthrowing Dunmer rule after the Red Year, you retards don't understand nuance, you don't care about what's right and the reasons why things are happening.The Empire is a joke, it has done far worse than the Stormcloaks and it doesn't serve Skyrim's values, therefore it should be overthrown.
>>738872080You retard, the elves don't want Ulfric to win, they want the civil war to be never-ending. It's also clear that the faggot elves could never take Skyrim, it's too harsh.
>>738878345>forbidden magic shoutExplicitly not forbidden and nobody in the entire game ever claims it was cheating. The only people that even express the sentiment that it was questionable are Arngeir and Ulfric himself, because he actually doesn't like Shouting unless he thinks it's important. And their questionable part is that they don't like it being used for violence because of religious reasons.
>>738867957invincible fans are the modern equivalent of jojo fans last decade
>>738878612>A framework that came about by forcing people to submit.And now look up how the western world became Christian.Still won't help you before a judge if you're there for a holmgabg
>>738878520Right right, but we're discussing nords returning to the old ways thanks to the overwhelming failure of the empire to protect the nordic people. (Older ways than jurgen windcaller and the battle of red mountain)Glad you caught up.>>738878585>didn't read the journal award>>738878589Probably because he's a former member of the greybeards and their authority + dragonborn leads him to believe this meeting is legitimate. I find it admirable that he takes your word for it. What a chad.
>>738878625Torygg literally tells you he thinks Ulfric has no honor in Sovngarde. BTW he's in Sovngarde, while Ulfric's soul is probably being used as cumrag by whoever the Thalmor really serve (probably Daedra).Also why does Ulfric tell you he killed Torygg with a sword when he obviously didn't?
>>738878829Yes and those extreme circumstances would be if he isn't doing what they want anymore. But he still is, regardless of how grumpily he's doing it, so they're letting him be.
>>738878520Violence is at the root of the Way of The Voice. >This is like arguing human sacrifice is not against our human customs because it was done by the Romans on rare occasions in 300 BCThe Voice is an innate power granted to Nords by their Goddess to rebel against their dragon overlords. Comparing that to human sacrifice is utter stupidity.
>>738878874Ulfric also shows up in Sovngarde if he's dead when you get there.
>>738878874>Also why does Ulfric tell you he killed Torygg with a sword when he obviously didn't????Because he did.The legend is that he shouted Torygg to bits but it's exaggerated because people were intimidated by the Thu'um. He just used Unrelenting Force to knock him down and then stabbed him in the chest.
>>738878794Yes, that's the point. They didn't toss their swords and armour away once Christianity was the dominant religion. They kept a hold of them to defend against aggressors. Meanwhile the Way of Voice came about from a seething sore loser who took his anger out on everyone else, eventually weakening his own people and country as a result.
>>738878874Ulfric goes to Sovngarde if killed beforehand (this of course presumes that you, the dragonborn, are the one to kill him), however he immediately regrets all that he's ever done and then gets eaten by a dragon because Tsun doesn't let him over the bridge
>>738878920>Violence is at the root of the Way of The VoiceNigger the Way of the Voice, as in the philosophy established by Jurgen, is literally about non-violence. That's what the Way of the Voice actually means. If you're talking about simply using Thu'um, well, I guess we can call Ulfric a good follower of Miraak and Alduin, since he's using it for a simple powergrab and for destruction.>The Voice is an innate power granted to Nords by their GoddessIt was taught by Paarthurnax. It is also not restricted to Nords whatsoever since neither Tiber Septim nor Dragonborn had to be Nords to learn it.
>>738874529But that's wrong, because the greybeards also know power word: testicular explosion and they are willing to teach even spergs like Ulfric. Why didn't the high king do his homework?
>>738879218Tsun doesn't let anyone across the bridge because Alduin summoned a fog that prevents souls from finding the Hall of Valor. Impericalcucks truly do take after their Altmer masters
>>738879151>The legend is that he shouted Torygg to bits but it's exaggerated because people were intimidated by the Thu'um. He just used Unrelenting Force to knock him down and then stabbed him in the chest.Everyone who was present, including Torygg's wife Elisif AND Torygg's spirit in Sovngarde claim his body was shouted to pieces and there was never any sword involved in his death at all, only Ulfric lies to your face about it with a different story
he doesn't mention being stabbed, he says the shout sent him to not-valhalla
>>738864468People support the independent Skyrim causeThey just don't support Ulfric because he's lost practically every cause and battle he's had.Even in the cases where he won the immediate fight, he fucked things up royal in the long run. The Markarth Incident only further destabilized the Reach, and he backed a coward that immediately pushed the Hold into the bosom of the Empire. His won his duel with Torygg, but he betrayed the first lesson you should take from Nord history (bloody succession only diminishes Skyrim even further), lost a bloodless push for independence given that the wide majority of Holds were in favor or neutral to the idea (and just didn't indulge his tantrum at the Jarlmoot), and it sent Ulfric to the chopping block where he would've died if not for pure luck.There's more reasons why Ulfric's character is fucking atrocious as a person, with all the people he betrayed and his continued linkage to the Thalmor despite being uncooperative to direct contact, but more objectively speaking: he's a coward and failure that can't get Skyrim where it needs to be, and he'd be an empty tyrant when he takes the throne (which he obviously wants, since even though he says it'll be an election, he's already exiling all Jarls that won't fall in line)If you want to support the Stormcloaks' cause, then kill Ulfric and the Emperor, so that the Empire falls apart and Skyrim becomes independent without that child on the throne
Why didn't Miraak show up for the civil war he's a nord too
>>738879156And those who wanted to still practice war (legally and for better pay) served in Christian armies, its not like Christians never fought wars and profited from them or were "weak and inferior" in fighting spirit. (they were superior in technology and masses of people, that's why Christians conquered Europe under a united banner.) Where does this "Christians are peaceful, minding their own business during historical times" come from? Duelling was a thing in Christian countries up to 19th century depending on place and time, it sort of died out in 17th and 18th century in certain mainland civilized countries.
>>738879374Ulfric is explicitly deleted from the Sovngarde instance after Alduin's defeat, whereas other dead characters can start crossing the bridge again
>>738878906Yes? I mean the empire is guilty of the exact same by tullius' own words. The empire is following the thalmors orders to the LETTER. The only difference the civil war makes is that ulfric will kick the thalmor and the empire out if he wins.As long as the war stalemates, both sides are doing what the thalmor wants but ulfric winning is a game changer for mankind>>738879218Tullius also regrets it, according to picrel
>>738879415got distracted for a few centuries after he figured out how to summon tentacles of varying girth and rigidity
>>738872080>>get played by a shadowy glowie elf organization into engineering their own destructionThis isn't trueUlfric isn't played, he's a cocksucker for the elves outright, lol
>>738879481>Tullius regrets losing and being summarily executed out of personal vengeance on Galmar's partthat's not Sovngarde, Tullius doesn't go to Sovngarde because he's not a Nord, Ulfric does and he has a much more objective stance in the afterlife as a result of the clarity of omniscience
>"he shouted the high king apart!">only knows unrelenting forcehow many imperial/thalmor psyops are there in this game?
>>738879407Why do people in this setting care about honor when Tiber Septim used every underhanded tactic and resource available to him to conquer Tamriel from robots to dragons to an enslaved undead king and a powerful battlemage?
>>738879471He lives.
>>738879584Because even Tiber Septim knew that wasn't something to be proud of. Same as Ulfric not being proud of it either.
>>738879380Why would Ulfric lie and say his shout wasn't as powerful as it actually was? He has no reason to say otherwise, because having to stab the dude on the ground after knocking him over isn't as impressive as literally vaporizing a man with his voice. Torygg just says a shout was used, and Elisif is clearly exaggerating it in her grief because she was intimidated by the shout (which was the point).Besides, we know functionally that it's impossible Ulfric vaporized him. He can use shouts, but he doesn't have that level of mastery or know any shouts that can vaporize.
>>738879584Why should I pray to a god of thievery?
>>738879584nobody cares when a Breton does something dishonorable
>>738879407You'll notice he's not in Sovngarde proper even though he died before Alduin made everything smoky over there
>>738879283And he established the The Way of the Voice by beating into submission those who didn't agree with his newfound philosophy.>It was taught by Paarthurnax.The ability to use the Thu'um was granted by Kyne you retard. Paarthurnax taught Nords how to use it, much like how the Greybeards can teach the Dragonborn shouts.> It is also not restricted to Nords whatsoever since neither Tiber Septim nor Dragonborn had to be Nords to learn it.Holy fuck, you're a retarded lorelet. Both Tiber Septim and the Dragonborn have dragon blood, which allows them to learn the thu'um. Imperialcucks are as ignorant as ever I see.
>>738879683because it's the difference between>during this duel I used the ancient technique of pocket sand, which really he could've seen coming if he had even BOTHERED to study our customs, and then finished him with a standard attack ;)and>the second the duel started I casted "Die Horribly: The Spell That Makes You Die," winning instantly no contest, I am a big boy who deserves to be taken seriously not a petty violent psychopath D:
>>738879683>Why would Ulfric lie and say his shout wasn't as powerful as it actually was?>why would a politician liegee, maybe because if the truth got out he wouldn't be as popular so he has to invent a propaganda lie to sell his supporters and pre-emptively paint his enemies as the propagandists?
>>738879568Never said it was, only that tullius realizes he got played like a chump by doing what the imperial delegation and what elenwen wanted right before his deathHe only understood the full depth of his betrayal to the humanity at large the moment he was at death's doorstep
>>738879772Not him but>by beating into submissionJurgen didn't beat anyone into submission. He dispelled their shouts as they attacked him with them. He shows them the power of ultimate peace>The ability to use the Thu'um was granted by Kyne...through tasking Partysnacks teaching it
>>738879683>chronic liar and Thalmor agent would never lie about the things he did! but a man in literal afterlife would!He said it because he doesn't want to acknowledge he killed Torygg with the ability he gained through deception and used against tradition. Notice how he doesn't say "oh I knocked him down with a shout and did a ground finisher on him". He just says he stabbed him with a sword. No mention of the Voice at all.
>>738879584>5ft'10 breton uses elf machine god to nuke alinor because they were minding their own business too much >also nukes the khajiit for even less reason He's pretty much a love letter to all of the real world examples of 200% scumbags that get remembered in beloved memory after the fact.
>>738879880>Thalmor agentno posts with this in them are worth reading
>>738879768it was literally the same day
>>738879772How is dragon blood Nord? Was Reman Cyrodiil a Nord? Were the Akaviri Dragonborn secretly Nords too?
>>738879463Anon, you are agreeing with me. I am arguing that the Way of Voice used force to make people submit. So Ulfric doing the same has it's basis in the belief.
>>738880006if my dark elf samurai with a futa cock can be an honorary nord just because a dragon came in her mother or something, then yes
>>738879880>oh I knocked him down with a shout and did a ground finisher on himThat's exactly what ulfric says in-game, simperial. Torygg died before he even comprehended what ulfric did, much less how he died.
>only nords can use the voice Even if you're handwaving the player being able to be a beastrace or elf, Miraak is a fucking br*ton.
>>738879880>Notice how he doesn't say "oh I knocked him down with a shout and did a ground finisher on him". He just says he stabbed him with a sword. No mention of the Voice at all.That is literally, explicitly what he says. You're just making shit up and have no idea what you're talking about.>>At Helgen, they said you shouted the king to death?>Not entirely true, though not entirely false either. Any Nord can learn the Way of the Voice by studying with the Greybeards, given enough ambition and dedication. My shouting Torygg to the ground proved he had neither. However, it was my sword piercing his heart that killed him.>>738879828The people we are quoting against him are two other politicians that have an explicit bias to lie about his actions to make him look bad. At this point it's just hearsay to go>actually he has access to a power he can't possibly have and never displays in any other circumstance despite how useful it would be, but he just lied about it for literally no reason>>738879823No, it's the difference between>i knocked a guy over and stabbed himand>i can turn somebody to ash with a word
>>738879584I like that the idea of him just using a giant gundam to take over Tamriel. Also the name Talos kinda implies Tiber, Zurin and the other guy I forgot sorta fused together with Numidium and became god through it, Talos cucked the dwemer and became the god they wanted to create.
>>738880149Unironically what the fuck are you talking about?
>>738875590>claim to be able to defeat the thalmor>got their shit pushed in in the first war>cant even beat backwards snowhicks
>>738865396>Nords are bad because racism.This is how you immediately know you're talking to some retarded zoomer who started with Skyrim, because racism is so inherently ingrained in the TES setting and every single race fucking hates each other when you get down to it
mainland lore fucking sucks, I want to go back
>>738879875>Jurgen didn't beat anyone into submission. He dispelled their shouts as they attacked him with them. He shows them the power of ultimate peaceHe did battle with them, why? To force them to follow the Way of the Voice. If he truly was peaceful then he wouldn't have even have fought the Tongues to begin with, he'd simply have went to High Hrothgar with those agreed with him out of principle. >...through tasking Partysnacks teaching itTeaching doesn't matter if they don't have the ability to learn it, which is what Kyne granted them.>>738880006Goddamn are you retarded. People with dragon blood can innately use the thu'um because they are associated with Akatosh, the Father of Dragons.
>>738879875Jurgen was a cuck who got so mindbroken by his defeat at Red Mountain he became a pacifist to cope and pretend he won and wasn't a failure, dooming his race to become much weaker than they could've been had they embraced shouting as their own form of magic to keep the elves subdued.
>>738864468We saw this when God began to be mocked, and the gods of perversion, naivety, pride, and self-absorption replaced the God of humanity. We saw this when the COVID “pandemic” struck, and people who refused to place their faith in the god of the pharmaceutical companies were nearly treated like Nazis. Todd is a retard, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>738870519Who is the girl with the big tits?
>>738880775Label from Nikke
>>738880697sir this is a wendy's
>>738880902Thanks dawg
The Stormcloaks were a Thalmor psyop meant to divide and conquer the race of Man. We've known this since 2011. If you supported the Stormcloaks then congratulations you got yourself Jew'd
>>738881014>Imperialcucks got so effortlessly btfo that they resorted to this schtick againExpected, but sad nonetheless.
>>738881169>t. Aldmerkike slave
>>738880443So Shouts come from Akatosh and not Kyne? Strange, I swear you said Kyne gave that power
>>738880697You do realize christianity is judaism for goyim cattle right? The rise of christcuckery in Rome worked exactly like the communist revolution and the apeouts with see with terrorists like antifa and BLM.Christianity pushes for meekness, it says men and women are the same and that foreigners and those who wrong you should be treated as brothers. Turn the other cheek and what have you. I love how I can immediately tell you're a retarded American southerner who still think churches will save society when so many of your priests openly bent over to faggots and niggers.Christianity is not White, it does further White ideals, it only serves to propagate itself, which is why every congregation is so happy to take in so many subhumans to their own detriment and why so many gullible christian boomers keep getting scammed sending millions to Africa and other lost causes.Even the National Socialists (nazi is a slur created by a jew) weren't favorable to christianity, Hitler paid lip service to it, but his talk of Providence was distinct from christianity, while he himself wasn't a pagan, at least openly, many SS members were and many churches were hounded upon before and during the war because they were hosting jewish fugitives or pedophile rings.Christianity is the ultimate fallback plan of the jew, if you don't understand this, I am genuinely sorry for you.
>>738881014>The Stormcloaks were a Thalmor psyop meant to divide and conquer the race of Manthe thalmor would be annihilated by the dragonborn either way, especially if he joins the stormcloaks.
>>738880443>He did battle with themWhat Jurgen did was withstand them. He did not fight, he just showed them that there's strength in peace and peace in strength. He did not beat them down, they were instead stunned at how the Way allowed him to dispel their shouts as they barraged him. The man was wholly dedicated to his new peace.>which is what Kyne granted themNo, she didn't. Or at least, not any more than when she first breathed life onto Nirn. This is why the Dragon Priests and the men that would become draugr were able to exist long before Kyne took pity and thought to bestow the voice through Partysnacks.>>738880665This is also the truth. The Way of the Voice is ultimately for faggots, and the Voice should be used for battle and conquest. No one ever argues that the Way was the way to go, just that Ulfric nevertheless betrayed the Graybeards.
>>738881408That's nice headcanon.
>>738880665I like how it wasn't even multiple battles or conflicts it was just one loss. Just one where every side suffered horribly in some way, not just the Nords. It would be a boxer with an undefeated winning streak being ganged up on by people on the street and he dcides to become a missionary and preach to starving jeets in india.
>>738881451i mean wtf else is this immortal superman going to do?
>>738881375Small corrections because I'm really tired and fucked up.we see with terrorists*it does not further White ideals*
>>738881224>Rebelling against the government that is controlled by Thalmor and enforces Thalmor made laws is a Thalmor psyopDamn, imperialcucks really don't think before they post, huh
>>738881538Absolutely fucking nothing just like all the other Elder Scrolls player characters.
Don’t care, Altmer women are hot
>>738881274Kyne is the god of storms, akatosh is the god of dragons. Jurgen allegedly devoted himself to kyne after red mountain and kyne allegedly worked with paarthunax (akatosh's kid) way before jurgen.Mix their philosophies in a stew and you have the way of the voice. Play the fackin game
>>738881538Fuck off to Akaviri for no reason whatsoever or kidnapped by Mora to get buttfuck tentacle raped for eternity.
>>738864468The Empire of the Medes have a right to Skyrim people and resources.
>>738865396Stormcloaks are white nationalists, of course liberals hate them.
>>738881596It's spelled out in the fucking intro that the Thalmor want Ulfric around. They want the civil war to continue and for the Stormcloaks to win. Tullius wants to kill that snownigger faggot and then skullfuck some kike elves like Talos and Ysmir would truly want.
>>738881621For Dragonbron the Voice comes from the dragons related to AkatoshFor non-Dragonborn the Voice comes from a specific dragon related to AkatoshAnd no, Nord fairy tales are not proof of anything, or else we'd have to consider Altmer fairy tales where the mortal realm shouldn't even exist and all Men are lowly creatures
>>738881274No you dipstick. Shouts are magic inherit to dragons, the Children of Akatosh. Kyne simply gave Nords the ability to learn shouts, which is why they had to be taught by a dragon. And were eventually able to create their own shout, Dragon Rend.
>>738881772>nords>white*laughs in breton*
>>738881538Become Mora's plaything? Spend the rest of his life impregnating as many females of every race as possible? Open a store that sells golden jewelry (actually transmuted iron)?
>>738867957What a stupid question.
>>738881804They want the civil war to continue because it weakens the Empire, they however, do not want Ulfric to win. The dossier you imperialcucks love to reference outright states that they want the war to drag on as long as possible. And Tulius can't do shit, you imperialcucks are both stupid and gullible.
>>738881772People who genuinely bring real life politics into this game conflict are profoundly retarded. Bethesda went out of its way to point out stormcloaks are just helping thalmor.
>>738881816>implying men aren't a mistakeThe allegations are true, but men have proven themselves superior in the eyes of the gods compared to the borderline suicidal elves who hate existence and want to become raw mana
>>738865396Ulfric is incompetent
>>738882081>And Tulius can't do shitHe literally caught and defeated ulfric, the only reason ulfric is even alive because fucking alduin pops up.
Would it really have been hard for Bethesda to just thematically end the Civil War by having the Last Dragonborn become king through pure strength and conquest? I mean even some Bioware or other roleplaying games let you become god or conquer the entire planet.
>>738864468Being anti-Stormcloak as a leftist doesn't even make sense. Their position is anti-imperial and anti-fascist all on one. It's should be like crack to them.
>>738866952Isnt Superman a jew
>>738882204Erm, uh… it just works?
>>738882187Prophecy is a bitch when it isn't on your side, eh? The nords were destined to win the war, fuckboy
>>738882231He's Moses if that's what you're asking
>>738867957>Ok, so why are there variants of it?It started with a twitter meme desu. Elon Musk put an autotranslator on Japanese Twitter so that English speaking people could speak with Japanese people. Liberal and black people twitter were horrified when they saw how racist the Japanese people were to black people. The Japanese were describing black people as these almost superhuman barbarians, rapists, and criminals. So liberal / black twitter responded by saying that the Japanese were treating black people like Viltrumites (basically Saiyan / Kryptonians) from Invincible. In that show Viltrumites are a violent and uncultured warrior race that's only good for killing and brutality.People posted an edit of the Viltrumites as all black, then the meme exploded in popularity, and people strarted making all kinds of variations of the meme.
>>738874042>Super powered Zealots who initiate people by using said super powers to beat the shit out of the new recruit, and if he dies they don't get it. Where are you getting the idea that they're monks, or that monks are peaceful?
>>738882309Alduin, the herald of destruction, saving Ulfric is not the own you think it is, Stormkek
>>738882187He ambushed Ulfric after setting a trap at Darkwater Crossing. And I was referring to your "and then skullfuck some kike elves like Talos and Ysmir would truly want" delusion. The Empire now is even weaker than they were during the Great War. Retards who actually believe that some Empire comeback is happening are gullible retards.
>>738882403*gasps*viltrunigs...
>>738882473I'm sure a faction that can barely stalemate a single Imperial legion is much stronger than the Empire
>>738874826That happened when the Imperial line was still legitimateNo Septims on the throne no Septims in the tax coffer
>meanwhile, in an alternate timeline, where ancient nord heroes are responsible and don't send BBEGs thousands of years into the future so they don't have to deal with them>Ulfric Stormcloak, to the block!>I die with hono-ACK
>>738864468Ulfric was mindraped by elves, fuck following him
>>738882403Specifically it was a Japanese poster who was afraid of how big black guys were and how easily they could overpower them. People made fun of how Japanese people think black people are superhuman aliens, like Viltrumites.
>>738882619The Stormcloaks aren't trying to fight the Thalmor, they're fighting for independence. Which is why they never attack the Embassy, because that would give the Thalmor justification to invade Skyrim.
>>738865396>racist>takes in dunmer refugees from morrowind and lets them have a slum in the capital
>>738882736They're doing both. Galmar talks about wanting to kick the shit out of the elves when they're independent.The reason they don't attack the embassy is because the game is poorly made. It's the same reason the Emperor will visit a Stormcloak-held Solitude or why the Civil War will explicitly put itself on hold while other questlines are going on.
>>738882736So Stormcloaks who justify their rebellion because the Empire isn't willing to attack the Thalmor...aren't willing to attack the Thalmor? But you did get one thing right>The Stormcloaks aren't trying to fight the ThalmorQED
>>738882736No, it's just because of the main quest.They kill the thalmor agent vingalmo if they take over markarth and stormcloak soldiers kill thalmor soldiers on sight if they see each other on the road. They're fighting a war, after all.
>>738882736Theres a deeper reason why the stormcloaks do not attack the Thalmor and its because they brainwashed Ulfric.
>>738882646The Ancient Nord heroes quite literally could not kill Alduin
>>738882885>>738882970See>>738882925
>>738882972Is there anything Nords can do other than kill snownigg- sorry, snow elves?
>>738882736Nigger why wouldn't you fight and attack the people kidnapping men and women from their homes and imprisoning them in dungeons or camps?
>>738882838Yes, they want to do it AFTER Skyrim is independent and unified. Not when it's split down the middle, with half of it belonging to the Thalmor's butt buddies.>>738882885The rebellion is based around the fact they are being forbidden from worshipping their own God, retard. >>738882925Attacking Thalmor agents on the road is quite different from directly attacking an embassy.
>>738866952>its subversive capeshit of the "what if superman was le bad and everyone was an asshole" varietyNo? It's what if Superman was evil and his son had to pick up the pieces in a world where the Justice League is dead and trust has been lost in heroes. Superman's son in this universe has to master his powers, balance his love life with being the strongest human in the world, balance his idealism with the brutal pragmatism of the world, and protect the Earth from supernatural threats that no one save him and his brother can fight -- all while dealing with a world and a government that fundamentally doesn't trust him because of the actions his father took while his father larpsd as a hero.Invincible is a RECONSTRUCTION of the superhero genre, not a deconstruction. It acknowledges the flaws and failings of someone who would step into the rule of a hero. And because of this, it challenges the hero in a way that very few capeshit stories are willingly to do. Sometimes Mark is a paragon of justice and moral type. Sometimes he is a coward who only cares about his family. Sometimes he tries to be proactive and pragmatic. It doesn't always pay off. He doesn't always make the right decisions, and because of this people die.But in the end, Mark slowly grows as a person until he is strong and wise enough to become a TRUE Superman in his story. His father was lying about the Viltrumite utopia and his status as Superman expy for the galaxy. But Mark turns that lie into the truth. He BECOMES the savior of the universe and he TURNS the Viltrumites into what Nolan pretended they were.
Why does everyone praise Ulfric when he's the instigator of the Markarth incident and entirely the reason why Talos worship is banned in the first place? He's a fuckin' power hungry retard.
>>738883193Tiber Septim is not a Nord nor their god. He's not even humanity's god since he has never done anything for it. Unlike Akatosh.
>>738875430>Being a Stormcloak only makes sense if you're an overly emotional retard.Siding stormcloak isn't actually a terrible idea for Skyrim, but that's in spite of Ulfric rather than because of him. A unified Skyrim, whether stormcloak or imperial, is the situation the elves want to avoid, especially when you've got the deity incarnate dragborn waltzing in to resolve the situation. The best case scenario for Skyrim itself would be for the stormcloaks to win but Ulfric to die in the process. If someone diplomatic and level headed enough took the helm and the higher ups in the empire were dissuaded by the formerly mentioned deity incarnate and didn't go full retard it could even be beneficial for both. The empire is less burdened with managing it's clearly quite overextended borders and can focus on consolidation while Skyrim can benefit from its newfound unity.While not easy to achieve a independent Skyrim actively working together with the Empire is exactly what the Thalmor fear. The real issue is Ulfric, who is at best a bullheaded populist and at worst a Aldmeri plant. He needs to be taken out of the picture regardless of which side wins.
>>738883227>no anon that was a from a biased source! trust the most non-biased source ever - Ulfric "on the Thalmor list" Stormcloak!
>>738883212You forgot all the abortions, NTR plotlines, gore, swearing, characters acting OOC that gets tossed in every issue.
>>738883227Because they are brain dead retards trying to bring real life politics into a fucking video game.
>>738883154They attack them when they see them. Again, attacking hit squads on a road is different from attacking an embassy. >>738883265t. Imperialcuck
Don't care still voting Ulfric.
>huguenots are mad the pope won't let them worship Julius CaesarThis is how retarded the stormcloak's cause is.
>>738883193There is quite literally a quest of a gray-mane and his shield brothers killing every single elf inside of a giant thalmor prison and rescuing stormcloak POWsThey do not care.
>>738883319Ulfric is the only one who hasn't taken elven gold, cuck.
>>738883227>Markarth is taken over by the Forsworn>Empire does nothing>Former Jarl makes a deal with Ulfric to allow Talos worship if he frees the city>Frees the city>Allow Talos worship>Former Jarl's son sells Ulfric how to the Empire that did nothing to help them in their time of needAm I missing something? Why are retards acting as if the Markarth incident is some stain on Ulfric's record?
>>738883569He took elven cock instead, and he did it for free
>>738883265He is both, retard. He retconned time and space to change himself from a Breton into a Nord. Oblivion also confirms that he's of divine lineage. >He's not even humanity's god And yet he founded a human empire that lasted for over 4 centuries and controlled the entire continent. >he has never done anything for itHe's a literal pillar of reality, lorelet. The Thalmor want to destroy him so that they can unmake reality and return to their premortal, spirit form bodies that were capable of co-existing with their gods>>738883227>the reason why Talos worship is banned in the first place?Lorelet retard. Talos worship has been banned since the Great War. Thalmkr Death Squads were LET into the Empire and allowed to torment the citizens of the Empire for over TWENTY YEARS. That's twenty years of oppression, torture, and murder for DARING to worship your god in public, or being caught in private worshipping your god.>B-but Alvor said it was fine before UltricYes, the blacksmith who has a son in the Imperial army is biased. Shocker!
>>738883478The prison that doesn't "officially" exist?
>>738883624The part where the Talos worship was always allowed and you didn't need to dramatically declare to the entire Tamriel that you were going to allow it?
>>738883659We weren't talking about titus mede thoughbeit
>>738883624>Why are retards acting as if Ulfric making bad deals that'll blow up in everyone's faces is some stain on Ulfric's record?Gee I wonder why
>>738870519Way to ruin the image with the text on the skull
>>738883712>He is both, retard. He retconned time and space to change himself from a Breton into a Nord.Bro what kind of skooma are you smoking? I though you couldn't get shit that strong outside of Elseweyr>And yet he founded a human empire that lasted for over 4 centuries and controlled the entire continent. You mean Numidium and the Underking founded that empire while he took the credit.>spirit form bodies that were capable of co-existing with their gods"Their" gods? The same 8 out of 9 gods that you worship? Come back once you're willing to accept the truth that is Sithis, which necessarily means rejecting Talos the Grifter.
>>738883776That's got to be some extremely cucked way of thinking, just hide while everyone else you love gets ethnically cleansed.They would've been found out and massacred without the empire being able to do anything about it Ulfric or not.
>>738883723Either way, they risk war with the thalmor by attacking it. But the stormcloaks are willing to fight them in spite of that, unlike what most of the imperial cucks ITT are saying. Ulfric has already gone rogue and he's whipped all of Skyrim into a frenzy against the thalmorThe game puts this directly in your face that he isn't their friend and actively makes moves against them
>>738883737It wasn't. Just because people were doing it under the table doesn't change the fact that it was outlawed and removed from public life. You are such a subservient lowlife. >>738883776The deal was honored, it was the son who fucked everything up.
>>738884025They worshipped Talos in public, retard
stormsissies really took a pounding itt
Tulius himself says the civil war is a waste of time and he would rather be having a round 2 with the thalmor, Ulfric being a retard makes of an enemy of a person who has THE SAME GOAL AS HIM.
>>738883935Just don't make a deal that requires you to announce to your enemies that you're gonna break their treaty. Ulfric is just incapable of navigating the political landscape and is the reason for half of Skyrim's problems, he simply cannot be a leader.
Have Stormkikes really never heard of Divide and Conquer? The Civil War weakens the empire and weakens the human race as a whole. You truly should be regarded as race traitors and murdered in the streets like vermin.
>>738882123No, they went out of their way to point out that a prolonged conflict helps the Thalmor.
>>738884072You lost (in my save), cope.
>>738875430>Empire loses the war EVEN WITH THE NORDS HELPThe Empire didn't lose the war. They gave up. There's an important distinction to make there, especially since the Imperials only gave up AFTER they reclaimed THEIR White Gold Tower. The Imperials literally said Fuck You, I Got Mine to the rest of the Empire once they'd retaken what THEY wanted in the war. >While they're reeling from the blowsIt's been 26 years. How long is the Empire supposed to endure their local foreign occupation of Thalmor troops in their lands? How long must they endure being kidnapped, tortured, and killed for their faith in a world where the divine is irrefutably real and as such has a tangible effect on your afterlife and the metaphysics of the world as a whole? >reestablish their military It's been 26 years. They haven't done shit aside from capitulate to the Thalmor. From what we can see in Skyrim alone, the Thalmor are already spying on most leaders. Look at Arcano in the College of Winterhold, the Thalmor "advisor" in Markath who "helps" the Jarl, the Thalmor Embassy which has all of the nobles pussywhipped and intimidated...>Start a fucking civil war because you think the Empire cannot protect youThey obviously can't if they've let foreign terrorists into my lands to murder my people and force me to deny my god>but you can definitely do it The Thalmor cannot conquer Skyrim from a geographic standpoint. A land based attack will require going through Hammerfell, Cyrodill, or Morrowind -- all of which are hostile to the Thalmor. Traveling by sea will mean contesting through Imperial controlled waters and then the hazardous sea of ghosts. Or through neutral, Morrowind controlled lands. Neither of which will be easy.>His plan doesn't even make sense. It does. Remove the Empire -> Remove the Thalmor -> Enjoy not being oppressed and murdered for your beliefs. Seems fine to me
ITT: cope from the GAPED and RAPED empire
>>738884024No they don't. The Thalmor would never acknowledge that the torture prisons they continuously deny the existence of actually existences. Ulfric could also deny that it was the Stormcloaks who attacked the prison.Still, contrary to imperialcuck propaganda, Ulfric isn't stupid. He knows outwardly antagonizing the Thalmor whilst in the middle of a war with the Empire would guarantee his defeat.
>>738884221we'll see when skyrim 2 comes out and confirms the events
>>738884072...said the empirefag pulling his skirt back down
>>738884080But Tullius is also dismissive of any culture not his own and is fine with the Thalmor rounding people up. Hell he makes a joke that you should be having a date with the headsman's axe if you visit him in Solitude before picking either side.
>>738884059No they didn't you retard, which is why Ulfric had to make the deal in the first place. Are you just incapable of using even 1% of your brain?
>>738883227There were just a couple of months between the White-Gold Concordat being signed and the Markarth Incident occurring. There was no period of time in which the Talos ban wasn't enforced. It's also retarded to blame him for it anyways when the Empire signed it into law.
>>738884198The empire already lost during the great war retard, what remains is a cucked thalmor puppet state sending death squads to human provinces and slowly starving them with excessive taxation, the game literally screams at you in multiple places that the empire is falling apart and is actively making things worse for everyone, talos worship unrelated.
>>738865396>liberals who are anti-StormcloakYou are literally making up strawmen to get mad at
>>738884208They point out Ulfric is not a thalmor agent, and he does intend on fighting them, at the same time they also have Tulius point out that he would also rather be fighting the thalmor. These retards are so fucking stupid and clueless..
>>738884358Oh so weaken it even further. Good job nigger. Snowfaggots would get steamrolled by the kike elves.
>>738884358>hello, I swallowed all of the stormcloak propaganda and never did the empire questline even once, how did you know?
>>738884343Ulfric made that deal that didn't need to be made so he could escalate the conflict, that's the point. Open your fucking eyes.
>>738868545Argonians are plants
>>738884358>Germany lost WW1>better let Bavaria separate because it's a cucked puppet stateThis is your brain on estrogen.
>>738884342>But Tullius is also dismissive of any culture not his own and is fine with the Thalmor rounding people up. He is not dismisive he knows that the rest of the world other then the empire is capable of beating the thalmor, and before you bring up the redguards, That was a pyyhric victory they lost a shitton of people in that fight. Wanting to fight another war with the thalmor contradicts he is fine with the thalmor...>Hell he makes a joke that you should be having a date with the headsman's axe if you visit him in Solitude before picking either side.Well yeah its almost like your a criminal. God forbid a man supports his laws.
If a tiny island nation of Elves could effectively force the entire empire into a stalemate what makes people think a combined offensive from Skyrim and Hammerfall would put an end to the Elven mennace? The Thalmor are awful but they aren't pushovers, they're actually kind of scary.
>>738884402It is quite literally worthless if it can't fulfill the barest of it's responsibilities, protecting it's subjects. Which is why Hammerfell fucked off after being sold out and fought the Thalmor for a decade until they finally kicked them out of Hammerfell.Hell, even before the Great War officially started the Thalmor was raping the Empire in Valenwood and Elswyr
>>738884504>real life politics in a world where a pantheon of nordic-roman gods decide the victorISHYGGT
>>738864468>Be Ulfric>Be a whiny bitch because you gotta worship Talos in private now because of the White Gold Concordant>Markarth asks for your help to get rid of the Forsworn that took over 2 years prior when the war was still going on>You only agree to help your fellow Nords who you supposedly care so much about if they allow you and your men to openly worship Talos>In their desperation they say yes mostly because they didn't think anyone would really care>After a while word reaches the Thalmor this blatant violation happens in which they arrest you and your men then begin to make a permanent presence in Skyrim now to enforce the banning of open Talos worship as the Concordant allows them to>You miss the death of your father because you're in jail>Blame everyone else but you despite all of this coming you being a whiny bitch who didn't like having to worship Talos in privacy.>Once you get out of jail and take over as Jarl of Windhelm you decide to challenge the Highking in Solitude to an honourable fight in which you then use power of the Voice which the Greybeards that taught you would be appalled to use it in such a manner>You then set off a civil war which is decimating the population of your nation and weakening the empire that's been trying to recoup and prepare for the next war coming with the Thalmor much sooner than later>You honestly think your nation which is mostly useless tundra and ice can support itself when it's already struggling and highly reliant on trade with the other parts of the empire.People who side with this guy are idiots.
>>738884402Double nigger, the empire has fallen multiple times in the past, it's already too far gone, it died with Martin Septim and he didn't invoke the dragon only to have his empire rot to the point where it allows its own citizens to be killed by elves unopposed.Tamriel is in the middle of an interregnum since the great war, likely to fall back into the alliances of old.>>738884436>>738884504Fuck you too.
>>738884358The true empire stopped existing the moment Martin died, the shambling corpse that followed was guaranteed to lose to the altmer.
>>738884553The Redguards and Nords hard-carried the Empire during the Great War despite being explicitly held back and hampered by the Empire. When the Redguards seceded they were able to fight tooth and nail and drive the Dominion out all on their own. It's very clear that the provinces of the Empire would legitimately be stronger on their own, because the Empire just bleeds them dry and gives nothing in return. That's the entire problem with the Empire after the Septim Dynasty and why every other province has already abandoned it. The ideal would be to form a confederation of independent nations that would work together without being handicapped by the deadweight of a dying Empire.
>>738864959Law in Tamriel has always been fucked, lore-wiseBasically in the Empire's law system, you are guilty until proven innocentDaggerfall goes into it morehttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Legal_Basics>As a final note: the Tamriel legal system has its basis in the civilized, reasonable credo uttered by the prophet Marukh in the first era: "All are guilty until they have proven themselves innocent." Were truer word ever spoke?
>>738884543He makes numerous comments that show disdain against Nord customs. Even Rikke says that. >Well yeah its almost like your a criminalWithout due process they never officially deemed you a criminal worthy of execution.
>>738870519umautitsts lost go back to /vg/
>>738884843>Without due process they never officially deemed you a criminal worthy of execution.Brother this is a feudal world... Due process is a modern thing.
>>738883927>Bro what kind of skooma are you smokingIt's well known that Talos is composite being compromised of the warlord Hjalti Early-Beard, the imperial battle mage Zurin Arctus, and the Nordic warrior Ysmir who could shout. Hjalti used CHIM to retcon time so that all three of them were merged into one person. This person was Tiber Septim, and he is the man who would go on to become Talos. >You mean Numidium and the Underking founded that empire while he took the credit.Both tools of Tiber Septim. The tools he used are irrelevant. What matters is that he DID IT. >Their" gods? The same 8 out of 9 gods that you worshipThe Thalmor are morons. Look at C0DA for what happens if a fraction of their plan succeeds. The retards literally wipe themself out of existence and then kickstart the literal apocalypse that kills 99% of the gods and humans
>>738884843Nirn isn't Earth, and Tamriel ain't Rome
>>738884672>j-just worship him in p-p-privateNo thanks I'll just curb stomp the piss skinned niggers
>>738884734That's just simply not true because while Hammerfell fought off the elves it costed them A LOT to do so. Literally everyone got beat to shit in this war but nobody understands that the Thalmor were able to almost legitimately break the empire on their own, a loose confederation of states is just a few extra steps to them. Imagine if Hammerfell broke off from the Empire and Ulfric was running around during the thrassian plague, everyone would just be fucking dead. The only silver lining about the current situation is that Elves breed a hell of a lot less than humans do but it's still gonna take the combined efforts of the Empire when round 2 happens.
>Skyrim thread on /v/>Not a single TES coombait image or in-game screenshot of some 8k hyper-realistic elf whoreI’m both impressed and disappointed.
>>738873993>Is there a Paint friendly black and white template? Yes
>>738884553That's not what happened>Thalmor takeover Summerset Isle>Plant spies and dissenters in Valenwood>Valenwood eventually secedes from the Empire and join the Thalmor>Over in Elswyr, Massa and Secunda disappear for some reason, causing Khajiits to lose their shit>It randomly comes back and the Thalmor take credit. Elswyr's two states unite and join the Thalmor>Eventually the Thalmor send the Empire a deal, which was basically the same as the White-Gold Concordant>Empire tells them to fuck off>War happens>It's Hammerfell, High Rock, Skyrim and Cyrodil vs Summerset Isles, Valenwood and Elswyr>Thalmor capture the Imperial City>Empire surrenders Also keep in mind that the Thalmor wiped out the Blades in all the Provinces they took over. And that the Empire tried to stop them from taking Valenwood and lost.
>>738884843If it was some NPC that got caught trying to cross the border together with Ulfric Stormcloak would you have given a fuck that they got executed? No, you wouldn't. And that's what you are to Tullius. I have nothing against players who side against Empire purely as a fuck you towards the people that tried to kill them, but that is not the same as siding with Stormcloaks because you think they're right.
>>738884787If we're bringing up previous games' legal system then it makes it look worse for the Empire, because in Morrowind they allowed honor duels to the death to determine leadership. They just didn't let Ulfric do it because they don't like him politically.
>>738884916No it isn't. They have courts and judges in Tamriel. The concept of a judge or jury predates your existence.
>>738885082....the existence of a judge is not existence of a law you dumb retard
>>738885043The Stormcloaks are more right than The Empire overall. They don't try to kill you for nothing.
>>738884982A hard-fought victory is still a victory. The Redguards objectively won, and any>but they suffered lossesis just pathetic cope from the Empire getting embarrassed by one of their ex-provinces. And the Redguards won after they got the worst of the fighting in the Great War, anyways. They were at a severe deficit and had to fight an uphill battle and still beat the elves. Imagine if the Empire wasn't totally useless and there were Nords, Bretons, and Cyrods helping in Hammerfell. There's no way to approach Hammerfell's secession without admitting that the Empire is objectively useless and a detriment to its provinces.
>>738865396They're very ignorant about their position in the world. Skyrim barely has any land to farm and low in resources other than ores. One farmer basically tells you Skyrim relies heavily on trade with the other provinces because they barely can grow enough to sustain the population. Breaking from the Empire would destroy them. They're short-sighted in their goals which is just "freedom for Skyrim" but no plan for what to do afterwards. Also ironic Ulfric talks about Nord tradition and Talos when they had their own pantheon that was overtaken by the Imperial one who just took their gods and merged them into theirs.
>>738885058I'm just pointing out that there is no "due process" in Tamriel. There is no "innocent until proven guilty".Also Morrowind even says in-game that the only reason Morrowind is able to skirt most Imperial law is because it was a condition of Morrowind joining the Empire. That's why you can have slaves in Morrowind but not in any other province.
>>738883478to be honest, that mission is hard and all everyone but one person(besides you) will die, and he will only survive because he is has npc plot invulnerability
>>738884973Unless you're the Dragonborn you're getting gutted and set on fire peasent.
>>738885242Yeah, I know, I'm just kind of agreeing with the sentiment that the Empire is totally arbitrary with its enforcement of the law and it's basically just whatever they want or what serves them most politically.
>>738885058Morrowind has was granted autonomony becausue of the tribune you lorelet. They are unique.
>>738864959This, idk why you even are given the option it makes no sense
>>738866913Random irrelevant but truthful statement
>>738875457? They dont try to kill me, and ralof even helps me escape, they're clearly treat the dragonborn better
>>738885305Noted
>>738885351That doesnt prove they are arbitrary. Morrowind was allowed self governance. Something the other states weren't...
>>738885397>>738885546The person that challenges you to the death duel is the leader of the Imperial Legion. I guess he might just be taking advantage of the local laws, but>the Empire is okay with taking advantage of local laws about honor duels when it suits themCurious.
>>738885546It's run by god-like beings so
>>738885579>Using the native's culture against themThat's colonialism
>>738885236You're retarded.Skyrim is currently destitute because the thalmor is buying all of their resources, they WERE one of the most resource-dense areas in the empire until the east empire trading company started selling all of their shit for pennies on the septim.People in the EETC make bank off of selling all their shit overseas to high-paying customers or to the war effort rather than keeping it in skyrim>inb4 empire would never trade with the elves, emperor's cousin says soSummerset is literally on the EETC map. They've been selling skyrim's shit to the thalmor without the emperor's permission.
>>738880697this
The game is vague enough and provides you with enough conflicting information that you can support any side and still justify it to yourself why it was the best choice>I sided with the empire because a unified empire stands a better chance against the thalmor>I sided with the stormcloaks because they are freedom fighters and/or le heckin based white nationalists>I sided with the stormcloaks because actually their racism is just imperial propaganda and banning talos worship wasn't fairAnd so onIt's a complete nothingburger choice, it can be whatever you want it to be, and it barely changes the game's world anywayNext game will also make all of this irrelevant. Not because one of the sides winning was canon, but because the context will be completely different and the end results of the civil war ambiguous.
>>738886015>I sided with the empire because a unified empire stands a better chance against the thalmorThis explicitly wrong and has proven to be false by the game itself.
>>738886112Every pro/con argument for either side is both supported and disproven by the game itself, because it's a nothingburger decision. Do you like romans or vikings? That's the most meaningful question one can ask over which side is the best one
>>738867957Because zoomers are obsessed with aura farming now
>>738886112Why did Thalmor not just kill Ulfric in captivity instead of releasing him if unified empire is so weak?
>>738866490>>738865503>>738868221I'm using one as my Steam avatar right now keke
>>738886282No. The game outright proves that the "unified Empire against the Thalmor" cope is wrong, because the unified Empire had already lost to the Thalmor once before the game even starts. And now you expect me to believe than an even weaker Empire is somehow able to oppose the Thalmor?
>>738886417Why would the Thalmor stop trying to weaken their enemy? Do you think they'd just go "Alright, they're weak enough now, no need to make them even weaker" or something?
>>738886603Why would they create a stronger enemy in the process of weakening an already weak enemy?
>>738886831To be fair, the Thalmor are definitely presented as the sort of overconfident arrogant assholes who would commit to a plan like that with zero belief it could bite them in the ass. Cue the Dragonborn coming along and helping the Stormcloaks win in like a week completely fucking the dirty elves over.
>>738886454The problem was the ending the Septim bloodline during the Oblivion crisis caused a power vacuum that weakened the Empire and allowed Thalmor influence to spread in the first place. Rumours in Oblivion speak of daedra worship increasing there and a syndicate of wizards (The Thalmor) were boycotting the Empire and just so happened to be the guys who helped protect the Summerset Isles during the Oblivion attack. Hmm how strange that the High Elf guys who hate the Empire did really good protecting their place from a crisis started by a High Elf who was a daedra worshipping cult leader who had a relationship with Mehrunes Dagon where they were almost on equal footing.
>>738886831Because even jews are retarded sometimes (a lot of times actually).
>>738886417Civil war stalemate = more dead humansStormcloak victory = Talos worshippers giving power to their godEmpire victory = slightly unified but still compromised and manageable foe that you already fought beforeTry to keep up.>>738886831The risk was worth it if the dragonborn wasn't there to break the tie, but he is.
>>738886831They aren't. The Empire and Skyrim only get weaker and weaker with each battle.
>>738886986The Empire always goes to shit after an Emperor's bloodline ends. Never forget that the Empire was ruled by snakes from Akaviir after the Reman dynasty ended.
>>738882403>elon musk put an autotranslator on japanese teitterWhy would elon ruin japanese twitter like this? Now every fag, redditor, and brown can browbeat and infect fun elevens threads with their retardation and partake in otherwise niche interests.
>>738887145It doesn't have fall completely into chaos though. Also who wants High Elves running the place?
>>738887145Reman Cyrodiil's empire is not remotely the same Empire as Septim's is. That's like comparing Alexander's empire to the Roman empire.
>>738887339They will get kicked out once the Ebonheart Covenant gets made between Skyrim, Hammerfell, Daggerfall, Orcs and maybe even Dunmer to go fuck the Dominion's shit up, and then the Argonians are gonna undermine some other province with their antics.
>>738887339It kind of does, when it's kept together by a hereditary monarchy bound to pact with the Dragon God Time. No one wanted altmer rule, but they got their ass handed to them by the altmer.
>>738887145The Empire currently went to shit because of a demonic invasion that was helped orchestrated by an Altmer.
>>738887483I know, I was simply pointing out that unrest follows every time an Emperor's lineage ends.
>>738887545>It kind of does, when it's kept together by a hereditary monarchy bound to pact with the Dragon God Time.That breaking of the Amulet of Kings actually made the seal against Oblivion permanent but at the cost of the person's life which is why they did the ritual with the fires
>>738882217Their position is just anti-whiteAlways has been
>>738887708Yes. every Empire went to shit for one reason or another, but said shit times were always preluded by the end of an Emperor's lineage. >>738887778I know, but that resulted in every future Emperor now longer ruling by Divine Right.
>>738888107no longer*
