China saved gaming. Neverness to Everness (NTE), Genshin Impact, Zenless Zone Zero, Wuthering Waves, and soon Ananta prove it.
ban gachafaggots
>China saved vidya by normalizing gambling with serious amounts of money over pixels that have zero real world value>While also taking advantage of and exacerbating the loneliness epidemic affecting millennials and zoomersI don't know what you'd call a miracle done by the devil, but gacha's existence in the west is just that.
>>738867485Muh AI
>>738867485NTE's combat just sucks for me. Tried ZZZ and it's night and day.
thinking of uninstalling nte already. wuwa and genshin are the only ones worth your timealso might grind zzz to get latest character because shes hot
>>738867485Keep shilling this black culture gacha garbage, maybe one day it will recover from the absolute flop it wa
>>738867485If there was an NTE that was like say Crimson Desert where it was a fully priced game with like 200 hours of content without nickle and diming me, I would play it.
>>738867485i just finished the final story for chapter 4, it's so fucking boring with endless padding, i just put it on autoplay and did other shit.the fuck happened? the start of the game was pretty decent , had wacky blown up animation, then the quality just fell off so much.
I view people who play gacha as mentally weak
>>738867925it's definitely not as tight as ZZZ but I like it more than wuwa and Genshin
>>738867485Why is that free catgirl so cuckable, and why do I find it hilarious?
>>738867485I want to breed with Nanally while mint watches.
I’m surprised they didn’t censor the panties yet. Spats are hotter though.
>>738867485Tried them all and disliked them all it's all just button mashing against health sponges, none of them have real gameplay
>>738874251Gameplay right above your post bro
>>738867485>Riding a bus like an Indian about to get rekt.No, Please sit down properly and use a seatbelt.
>>738867925Eh, there's no point in using anyone else except the 'Press X to do 10 attacks that damage the whole map' characters.The powercreep was fast.
>>738868390I wonder which gacha tribe this schitzo is from
>>738874251All the smack these games get made me think they were trash. Turns out they're pretty decent, and amazing for being free, especially zzz and wuwa. What compels you people to be this way? What flawless masterpieces are you playing that allows you to have these opinions?
>>738867485ZZZ makes playing other gachas feel like shit. I had the same floating feeling with this game and wuwa. Uninstalled.
>>738867485Zenless Zone Zero is the only decent game out of those although I'll admit Ananta looks interesting.
>>738875578These games will always inherently be deeply flawed. Because gacha monetization encourages constant power creep and the mechanics all need to be designed around mobile phone subhumans.
>>738876504Those flaws aren't the entire game. There's no game without flaws to start with. Getting fixated on an element you don't like while ignoring dozens you probably would is retarded.
>>738875578>button masher that wouldn't have been worth a quarter at the arcade>amazinglol
It has romanceable catgirls that aren’t furslop so I will be spending at least $300 on this game
>>738876862If you really think these gacha games are truly inferior to arcades you're either in denial or obsession. I'm old enough to have actually gone to an arcade. I played the fuck out of Contra, Street Fighter, and Mortal Kombat. Spent probably 500 hours on tetris. They were great for their time, but that's all. If you want to hate something you'll find a reason, but that seems like a waste of your own time.
I don't have any interest in playing Arknights Endfield, but I will give it respect for being the only gacha that lets you battle while all your homies are in the field with you. Swapping doesn't make sense to the plot in these games, especially when you have a cutscene where you're all on screen together
>>738876702Those are pretty big flaws though, especially the fact that the combat has to be very simple and very easy for the mobile players.
The main problem is that everything looks the goddamn same.
>>738877483>the combat has to be very simple and very easy for the mobile players.That's only in the story mode. The challenge comes in fighting endgame boss modes and optional quest challenges
>>738867485What happened to snowbreak again?Even if I don't play gachashit You can't trust the Chinese ever after that China is not your friend and never will be
>>738874251>Tried them all and disliked them all it's all just button mashing against health sponges, none of them have real gameplayThis 1000%Every single gachashit is literally that
Used up all my pull luck. This was at zero pity on standard after going to 85 pulls for my first standard 5*. Too bad one of them was the one guy.
>>738877646ah yes! the challenge of the gacha game>i lost>swipes credit card>i lost again>swipes credit card>i won yay!
>>738877483I don't know what your standards for combat are, but I've platinumed every from soft game since demon souls, the last three monster hunters, 2 of the three niohs, ninja gaiden 3, dmc 1/2/3/5, and more. I'm at least more experienced than average with game combat. I don't think ZZZ or Wuwa have bad combat. It's reasonably engaging and acts as a decent part of the gameplay loop without getting stale or hollow. HSR isn't SMT, metaphor, or final fantasy, but it's not terrible either. What are you expecting from these games bro? Being mid or slightly better than that is phenomenal for something you literally get for free.
>>738877868Most people aren’t as bad at simple games as you are that they have to constantly pull out a credit card.
>>738877868It's an option, not a necessity. If you have to resort to buying to win that's a flaw with you, not with the company giving you the option.
Holding off on picking my free S-rank until I pull a few more.
>>738867858>I don't know what you'd call a miracle done by the devilthe holocaustanyway i'm wasting my time and money on raising more slaves for you to exploit
>>738878221>get my 50 rolls pick>gran sakiri>keep my other free s class>roll enough to get an s class>it's sakiri againCruel.
>>738867858Naw, Fifa normalized it.
>>738877646But again, they want mobile gamers to be doing their endgame too, so they will never be mechanically challenging (beyond the occasional stat wall) because action game controls barely function on mobile. At least in my experience.
>>738877983LOL you aren't clearing all the content in a Gacha going F2P.And I mean actual F2P, not "$5 sub and top-off only!" F2P.
>>738877908See even when you try to sell it, you use terms like "mid" and have to appeal to game cost.
Genshin combat is E+Q quickswap spam with no real dodging let alone parrying. Wuwa combat feels better than Genshin's on paper because it has these things, but I often find myself overwhelmed by the special effects that make it impossible to tell what is happening. ZZZ, while simple for an action game and not on the level of complexity as DMC or whatever, feels fluid and very easy to read while also feeling satisfying. Knowing NTE is between Genshin and Wuwa has me averse to it.
>>738878502It's feasible, but would require a lot of time. You earn plenty of currency in game. A better question is whether it's important that you can easily clear all the content of a live service game at all times. Is the game so good you want to eke out every last drop anon? Why isn't the 98% you can button mash enough?
>>738878620>it's bad because it's freeOk nigga
>>738878620I'm not some shill. Game cost is a viable metric. I'm just not going to pretend that a game is either top tier 11/10 or unplayable trash with no in-between. 7/10 games are still good games, even if other games can do what they do better. I'm still going to enjoy a 7/10 steak even if I've had 10/10 steaks before and it's ridiculous to be otherwise.
Do chink gachafaggots ever get tired of playing five clones of the same shit over and over? I only play one gacha game and even then I find it annoying to do all the dailies sometimes.
>other free s classThere's another?
Dont listen for this shill i fell for his stupid chinkshit game and vid related is my 1 on 1 reaction.https://streamable.com/ah6c7ehttps://streamable.com/ah6c7e
Starting to get kinda sick of the vehicle music. Half of it's kind of annoying after a while.
>>738879757I picked an S class at my standard 50 roll, and I've kept the ticket I got in the mail for a free S class.>>738880015I'd like if turning the radio off would play the music you'd hear on foot. The night music is nice.
>>738880319Oh, I never got that ticket. Guess I started too late.
>>738878854Incredible reading comprehension. Game cost is unrelated to combat quality is my point.
>>738867485I dropped most of those but I gotta admit I'm liking NTE. Thought whether my standards lowered with how BAD games have been lately or if it's genuinely good I'm not sure.Combat is simple but I like having this big city to dick around. I dunno, reminds me of back when I played Spiderman Webs of Shadows.
I like booba but I hate gacha fags. You're a net negative to gaming even if you're helping push booba aesthetics.
>>738867925I'm enjoying NTE. How is ZZZ?
>>738867485so china can only scam people with gacha gamestruly saved gaming
>>738879547Meanwhile innovative AAA releases>rollsloppa>parrysloppa>survivalsloppa>RE4clone sloppa>open world sloppa that's basically just an SP Genshinthis is the part where you say bubububut I play old games (and yet don't post on /vr/ weirdly)
>>738880454Which brainwashing got to you lil brainwashed bro? Gambling bad or just China bad?
>>738878668>Knowing NTE is between Genshin and Wuwa has me averse to it.it's more like between genshin and zzz
>>738880343Oh wait, I did get it. It's just been sitting in my inventory and I completely didn't even notice it. Guess I'll save it too. For now, I just have Hathor.
>>738867485Hardly,almost all chinese games have bad gameplay.It doesn't matter if the world building, sound, music, environments, stories or characters are amazing, because if you botch the gameplay, you're not going to be a saving gaming.The only F2P game that I've played where the gameplay has been decent is Where Winds Meet, everything else is literally copying genshin or has otherwise braindead simple combat, turnbased or notDon't get me wrong, I will still play gacha shit and f2p that looks good, but I am not going to pretend they're heroes, they're simply willing to spend millions to offer more content, even if the gameplay and monetization is diarrhea.NTE has a good looking world, decent characters and some interesting quests / secrets, but the gameplay is ABSOLUTELY garbage, it's literally just as bad as ZZZ, meaning just character swap spamming with 2 abilities (occasionally with charged attacks and gimmicks that might make it a tad more engaging, but still bad)The driving physics suckThe pedestrian NPC:s can't be properly interracted withThe police are literally invincibleThe deliveries and uber taxi tasks are literally 3 block distances, over in like a minute or lessFishing is extremely boring and grindy The bank "heist" extraction is just speedrun & rng simulator where even a perfect run can be ruined by suddenly closing exits, plus it is entirely lame that lasers just push you a bit instead of triggering an alarm and guardsThe main content of NTE is just daily chores to boost your income, and outside of the missions & secrets, there's nothing else to it.Sure you can drive around the nice little city, but what's the point when there are no proper random events or things you can do, when NPC:s (aside from enemies) are treated like ghosts, and "stealing" from a shop is "press confirm, press confirm, OK BUT this time press confirm while the shop keeper isn't looking!"Congrats, you just shoplifted 1 consumable that's basically worthless
I kinda want Nanally's skin, but I dunno if that's worth $15.
>>738880672>this is the part where you say bubububut I play old games (and yet don't post on /vr/ weirdly)but i do play old games and i do post on /vr/, i was talking about some castlevania 1ccs recently
Isn't Hotori kinda broken? She freeezes time giving you free reign to wail on enemies, it even works on bosses, and she regains meter passively reasonably fast.
How is this game so blatantly Japanese? Didn't Honkai Star Rail had to reskin an entire world just to avoid scrutiny after the Japanese prime minister said some dumb shit? Our boss is wearing a full blown geisha outfit and explicitly one of the most powerful characters in the current cast.
>>738867485Its just skinner boxes you retard
>>738880948of course you do, and yet you spend your time on /v/ discussing games you don't play apparentlythat's how every conversation here goes
>>738867485All putrid slop with absolutely zero cultural value whatsoever, it's the videogame equivalent of junk food. The designs are messy, generic and uninspired, the gameplay is the same exact two buttons braindead garbage with flashy vfx turned up to eleven, the writing is wordy, juvenile, derivative and sterile, the only thing that's impressive is how much money bugs are willing to dump on them.
>>738880923Feel the same, but I'd also miss her glasses too much.
>gachashit>proving anything
I think I'd like Tagyedo a bit better if he talked normal. The Pokemon speak doesn't work here. It's actually kind of obnoxious.
>>738881407>remake of Mafia 1, the most immersive GTAlikeon-rails experience with a dead city, can't even ride a bus>soulless skinner boxcan ride a bus, a train, can play the whole game in first person, can customize cars and houses, can live with catgirls, can run a chain of cafes and work in them, NPCs have dialogue lines in the city like they're in a JRPGcan I get more skinner boxes pls I think I love those
Gacha is crap but the extremely forced cringe temper tantrums about it in every thread is obviously just part of the greater Israeli op to prevent China from further encroaching on their pornographic territory
Is she good? Her pants are SEX
>>738875578Because people reject & judge these games based on four perfectly valid reasons1. GachaIt is completely justified to shit on gacha due to it being a HORRIBLE monetization system that's literally locking content out of your reach instead of being kind about it and just selling cosmeticsGacha monetization always means two things:- spamming snowflake characters that powercreep older characters- gameplay that's generally braindead2. Chinese madeboth a bad and good reason to hate and judge.bad because it's pretty much racist and xenophobic,good because it's pretty much true that they're greedy and always plagiarizing/copying everything shamelessly3. Shallow gameplayGameplay is always the weakest link in gacha games. It's always basic attacks, one skill, one effect and one ult at best, and it's insanely boring (they know it, which is why the gameplay revolves around swapping between 3-4 characters)4. Live-service FOMO slop with dripfeeded story that either never ends, or never has a chance to end due to EOSBy far the best reason to hate games like theseToo bad most people who hate these games don't really give any good reason for it other than spouting shit like "gacha! chink! gacha! chink!" like a retarded parrotA lot of these games have very fun content, decent stories, beautiful music and great graphics/art, but they're hardly worth daily logins, spending or glorifying in any way, least of all call them "saviors" of the industry (when they're actively destroying it)
>OMG CHINA IS SAVING GAMING WITH ENDLESSLY RECYCLED IRONIC WEEB ANIMU CRAP FOR MOBILE NIGGERSkys kys kys I'm sick of you>>738880725>you need brainwashing to hate gambling and china>>738881632Imagine being so easily impressed. Dial 8.
So I get that Hotori controls time, but what do Jiyuan and Baicang do? And what exactly is Nanally's power? She emits electricity and can change her personal gravity, but these two powers seem unrelated.
>>738881764>Chinese are copyingThis is the saddest cope I see you people repeating. NTE is literally more original than anything else this year because it combines two genres that were never combined before. Yes that alone makes it more original than everything else this year because everything else is just a copy of something that already exists with a few tweaks
>>738881415well if you insist then i'll go back to /vr/, have fun anon
>>738881821>Imagine being so easily impressedName one other GTAlike that lets you ride a bus and walk around it while it's moving. Mafia 1 the OG, that's literally the only other game that lets you do that. Yes that impresses me
how much are they paying you jeets? must be a lot if you turned your back on tencent and wuwa
>>738875578>gachaniggers have zero standards and are easily impressedAlmost like you're not gamers.
>>738881953What new game should I be playing that's better than this, Johnny?>inb4 play old onesI already did, I'm old
>>738881885Brother, 90% of the game is 1:1 copy of HoyoslopThey're unique enough to have a freeroamed city, but the setting is literally "what if we copied ZZZ, SCP and Grand Theft Auto??" The combat is basically the same as WuWa and Genshin, with only minor differences
>>738881998>I'm a REAL gamer that's why I'm going to forever seethe about games made in a country that hurts my feefeesok Johnny boy
I have never played one of these until NTE, the trailer looked ok so I wanted to see how bad it could be. If every game in the genera is like this holy shit go fucking kill yourself if you enjoy or put up with any of this.Every single character is annoying, I was skipping all story after an hour it was so bad, there are dozens of menus and stupid pointless subsystems and it is so upfront about the slot machine game within a game to unlock stuff with 17 different currencies.All for the most braindead mash leftclick and dodge to bright red flashes then do the same after pressing 1-3 combat.The open world looks good but that is about it, its just a gimmick but the only fun I had with the game was the open world minigames because the combat was so bad. Uninstalled and I have even less respect now for anyone who plays shit like this or god forbid pays to play shit like this.
>>738881885PFFFFFFFT HAHAHAHAHA>>738881943Oh wow, you can walk around on a moving vehicle. Fucking incredible man. Again, imagine being such a easily impressed non-gamer faggot.>>738882071Yes, I'm a real gamer. Which is why I will always make fun of mobile casuals like you trying to suck off your chink phone garbage.
>>738882005Crimson Desert.
>>738882032Yeah it's the game that combines Genshin and GTA. Like I said, a game combining two genres is more original than everything else this year. Because everything else just copies some ONE game that came before it. Saaros is just Returnal. GTA6 is just GTA5. RE9 is just RE4 again. Forza Horizon 6 is just Forza Horizon again. Which one of those is more original than a hybrid of two genres that were never combined before?
>>738882184Crimson Desert literally plays like an open world gacha. If you like that game you'll love Wuwa, you just don't know it yet
>>738882201>it's original because it copied from two games instead of onelmao
>>738882135>waaah waaah I know nothing about a genre hear me seetheAre YOU not bored with yourself? Everyone else is
>>738882289Yeah exactly. Combining two genres is more original than just making RE4 or GTA5 again. Isn't that obvious
>>738882201Yep, and you'll say the same thing about Ananta when it comes out, despite it being blatant with it's copyingLiteral spiderman web movement with bamham magnetic melee, GTA guns, city and carsI'm sure it will be decently playable, but I'm not going to pretend they aren't being utterly shameless about their copying.I mean come the fuck on, the web slinging even has the same type of acrobatic flipping you see in spiderman games, it's almost like they straight up stole the assets even if they didn't
>>738882320>>waaah waaah I know nothing about a genreBut enough about gachafags who just discovered open world games. Your gacha turd gets mogged on every level by old games. Even Saints Row 4 is better and that wasn't even a good Saints game, just was a fun open world game to goof around in.
>>738882254Nah, one is an actual game with a beginning and an end, the other is a "game" designed to keep you on an eternal treadmill sucking money from you, and compared to just about any live service game it doesn't even have a gameplay addicting enough to justify that investment.
>>738882517NTA but older Open World city games weren't particularly good at being immersive, until GTA 4 and 5Neverness to Everness nails the atmosphere, it has so many buildings and businesses you can enter, but I'm not going to pretend it's anything groundbreaking, especially when it's like 10 years newer than GTA 5 and still fails to be even a fraction as good in terms of physics, ragdolling, NPC reactions and mission variety (let alone robbing, heists, races and other)The chinese have too big shoes to fill, especially when they've chosen to spam characters and talking quests instead of vehicles and cool missions like GTA does
>>738882547All you have to do is not pay. Is this what it looks like when you have no self control and blame everyone else for your decisions?
>>738882135A real gamer that can't find a way to enjoy huge games with free content. Rough.
>>738882859Being overly liberal with physics doesn't mesh when you're also trying to make an action/combat game. NTE's issue is partially derived from trying to mix two genres that normally aren't put together. A lot of the GTA-inspired mechanics don't really work. Why am I able to steal cars and shit when I'm not even playing as a criminal?
>>738883074NTA but this is the mindset of slop enjoyers.pony up to the trough, its not like you have anything else going on in your life.
>>738883549Its about as Fischer Price as a GTA clone can get. You "commandeer" vehicles by asking nicely as an agent of the not SCP. You cant even accidently hit any NPCs. That lego game probably had more freedom.
>>738867485I'm sorry, but I don't suffer from ADHD, so I find those forced animations and mannerism to be completely exasperating and disgusting, literally didn't even finish the tutorial.
>>738867485every time I think of this game I think it's called NTR
>>738883639The issue is there's no fucking reason to commandeer vehicles at all since I can just summon a car whenever I fucking want.
Just did my wife daily!
>>738867893>Muh AIOn random billboards and covers of books in bookstores. Its fucking nothing. Better than seeing the same 3 posters and ads in every building in the entire city.Ill take AI any day if it brings more imersion to a functional city.
AI is based and no amount of trannies REEing will ever change that.
>>738883639You can actually steal cars though,but the consequences are a joke (not like GTA consequences weren't a joke either, but I digress)in GTA:>steal car>cops chase you but don't shoot yet>you run over a someone>helis now chase, megaphone at you and shoot at you>cops throw spike strips to stop your tires>4-6 stars, eventually swat, literal feds and military chase you, possibly with tanks depending on the GTA game>if you get arrested, you just respawn and keep everything>if you die, you just respawn & keep everythingIn NTE:>steal car>1 star, immediately get cops who shoot at you (with taser stun gun things, but still shooting)>they just run at you and shoot you, whole point is to drop your hp to 0>if you attack them, they just recoil a bit but take no damage>keep at it and you get 2 stars, now retarded flying anomaly drone cops show up, who shoot cannons at you that instantly slow or stop your car>you can "destroy" these drones>3 stars, just more of the same, no helis or new police variety>4 stars, you are instantly teleported to a dumb walking police car crab anomaly fight in a locked arena>if you die, you get sent to prison, which you can escape as a minigame or simply pay to get out instantly>if you win, you probably just wipe your wanted level>that's it, no consequences, and prison is actually a minigame you can farm for prison outfitThe only thing NTE does better is actually sending you to prison, which is something GTA hasn't done until Red Dead 2 (unless rdr1 had it)
>>738867925>push button, fireworks happen on screen>get an hour worth of iframes>press button when screen flashes to parrysure it feels good, but zzz has no variety at this point, just non-stop powercreep
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>>738877868>the challenge of the gacha game>i lost>swipes credit cardThere isnt a single gacha game out there that canlt be beaten with the free story characaters and the dozens of free pulls you get these days. Gacha is for vanity skins, and for people chaisng the 0.01% top of leader boards in anything ranked, if the game even has ranked PvE content at all. You can clear 100% of content in genshin, wuwa, endfield, AL, girls frontline 1 &2, NTE and everything else.If there is power creep its just to set faster kill speed records on endgame optional fights.
>>738880473Fast paced, satisfying parry mechanics, great music, fun characters and cast interactions
>>7388839785 yuan has been deposited in your account.
>>738874251>>738876504These.Gachashit will never be video games.
>>738867485>China saved gaming. Neverness to Everness (NTE), Genshin Impact, Zenless Zone Zero, Wuthering Waves, and soon Ananta prove it.I'm forever amazed that chinks manage to be more jewish than even jews with how predatory and degnerate they make everything.
>>738880473Slightly more stylish but infinitely more claustrophobic.The combat plays better and feels more responsive, but it's also a fucking eyesore with all the effects, numbers and noises (just like every gacha, but this one goes way overboard)I can't speak much about the story, I quit like 2 months after launch and back then the game was so braindead boring that I just couldn't continue.Quests were 90% talking and shitty "TV map" navigation with maybe 10% combat.There was no mystery or intrique to it, no matter how much they wanted to pretend so.The protagonist is a pencilneck nerd who you can't use in combat unlike most gachas,he / she is a glorified navigator for the characters you pull, who's sole duty is guiding them through the danger zones and getting them to the objectives and back.The art style is obsessed with ghetto culture and 90's, which is kinda hit and miss.NTE also has a small obsession with the 90's, but they kinda suck at it because they keep shoving modern tech everywhere and it clashes with the 90's stuff so badly (but I'm sure ZZZ has the same problem)
>>738879860based guy and webm
>>738884998ZZZ has CRTs everywhere for some reason.
>>738885237Yep, it's kinda over the top and comes off as trying too hard.
>>738867485Gacha only appeals to low IQ thirdies with gambling problems, it's not video games and it ought to be banned.
>>738885872I think China just has some sort of weird obsession with CRTs.
>>738886003How many games do that? I don't really know many
>>738886297CRTs even pop up from time to time in Honkai Star Rail of all things.
>>738883957C-can you have sex with her? Asking for a friend.
>>738867485Reminder this garbage flopped so hard the company stocks gave dropped by 15% since it came out lmao
>>738887196How jewish do you have to be to give a shit about sales
>>738887229Guy has a Genshin avatar. Gacha players are heavily tribalistic for some reason, and can't stand another game encroaching on their "turf".
>>738867485Just wish they'd put out more AAA games over relying on gacha dominance. I do appreciate how they shit on Japanese gachas which are usually super greedy and EOS trigger happy. And before you say it, yes, the average Japanese gacha is significantly more greedy than Hoyo.
>>738867485>it's only gets better after 3976293 days of dailies and $349587345 spentcool "games"
Wake me up when there's furry focused one and I'll give uhh a fair shake, until then I sleep
Someone explain to me why canned food is used to upgrade weapons.
>>738867485How difficult would it be to roll for the sexy girl in the kimono as a F2P player?
>>738887880Hotori? Pretty easy. NTE has a relatively fair gacha system.
>>738887075Only if the cuckquean catgirl is watching>Mint or Nanally?Yes
What's the point of aiming mode? It doesn't seem to do enough damage to ever be worth using.
None of these chink gacha games have good gameplay. Not a single one.
>>738887229Pretty jewish considering this entire board was celebrating every day when Assassin's Creed jamal flopped so hard it destroyed ubisoft stocksHey just like NTE also wanting to shill black culture! You could say they went woke and went broke as well
>>738888062I wish anime hags were real
>>738888135You can blow out tires
>>738887471Fandoms in general tend to be this way. But gachas in particular attract a lot of teen players who tend to be especially tribalistic.
>>738888228What's your idea of good gameplay?
>>738888273What are you even on about? I don't think there's a single black person in the game. Are you just a retard who sees that it takes place in an urban setting and immediately thinks American urban?
>>738867485Sex with mint wife
>>738868709NTE probably has a hundred hours of gameplay. 99% of players are too big of pussies to get arrested, and 99% of those will just pay the fine. Only 1% of 1% of players will end up serving time in a fully modeled prison with gang dynamics, prison jobs, and 2 ways to escape (shawshank redemption and the escapist). And the gacha is gay as fuck but you can just ignore it and still beat almost everything except the most extreme time trials.
>>738891724>99% of players are too big of pussies to get arrested, and 99% of those will just pay the fine. Only 1% of 1% of players will end up serving time in a fully modeled prison with gang dynamics, prison jobs, and 2 ways to escape (shawshank redemption and the escapist).Wait wait wait what? I tried attacking civillians and nothing happened. Does this happen after clearing more? Cause right now I just killed a ghost camera so I understand if I'm too early.
>>738891897You have to cause a lot of destruction. For me it was when I accidentally the truck octopus abnormality in a crowded intersection and the retarded AI just kept piling up and I think too many area of affect attacks caused cars to blow up with people inside. Cops show up really quickly.
>>738891724It's hard to get arrested in this game. You have to go out of your way to get sent to prison.
>>738867485these games have the dumbest fucking names
>>738873213gayy
>>738891724Prison is fun but you're overselling it desu>gang dynamicsThere's one bully and victim but that's it.>prison jobswaste of time and stupidly boring>2 ways to escapeHere's where you undersold it though. There's like 5 different escape methods, and it's neat how there's a different cutscene and spawn point for each.
>>738891897It's very easy to get arrested>hit car until it's driver leaves in panic>steal car, instant 1 wanted star>proceed to crash at fences and other cars to raise wanted to 2>get out of the vehicle and proceeed to slap every cop and drone that attacks you, but keep in mind to dodge attacks and their positions so you don't get shredded>eventually reach 3rd star, on 4th you will be transported to a boss fight that is most likely too difficult for you (doable but not worth it probably)>die to boss and wake up in prison>proceed to "rest" and use the bed to skip to lunch time>loot literally everything you can find, and learn the prison layout during the yard time (you can go back inside and past the cafeteria during this time to find another small yard where you can trade playing cards for "painkillers" which are a currency you can swap to another currency that you eventually use to buy the prison outfit
>>738892063>>738892413Thanks. I'm still roaming around earlygame but I will soon try that to see what happens.
>>738881764I give you 4, 1 depends in how generous they can be like s frug dealer hooking up people with samples, racism and xenophobia is good and copyright is jewish in 2 and you are gay, 3 pretty much can say they are way too simplified but still not braindead in some cases. Other than that, nice well edited AI redacted post.I'll give your post a half-jeet half-SEAnigger/japanese corpodrone. We'll never get anything good until TKD & TND is nuked and we stop getting sanitized slop.
>>738892680You type like a retard, but yes, AI would definitely be a fair reason to hate these games.I have no idea how bad the AI use is, but personally I don't really care if they use it for shit like posters and random background garbage.That said, I still think that being anti-AI is a valid reason to shit on Chinese games
Appraiser Level 3260-70 hours of playtime maybe moreGot Hotori in ~50 rollsExplored maybe half of each of the 5 districtsMoney spent? Zero.Yet /v/ will somehow try to tell me that these games are bad. That I'd be better off paying $70 for a 10 hour walking simulator. Or some other western slop full of black lesbians where I sometimes have to aim at the enemy and press left click.No thanks. I'll stick with my gacha.
>>738893394Stfu ccp shill I hope hanta virus is real and kills half your country
>>738879860I kekd
>>738880725Both are bad
>>738893394I have no idea what my hours are but as soon as I ran out of story quests and the "world rank" 3 and now 4 set in, I've lost a big chunk of interest in to this game. It's literally just login simulator now, everything else is a chore for extra money.I got that "mining permit" subscription thing for 6 or so dollars, don't plan on buying anything else as I mostly only got that to help me reach certain Tycoon milestones faster (IE the one that increases city stamina limit to 700)Now the only content I have left is arbitrary character gearing, boring ass heist farming and catching about 200-300 fish per week..can't say that's particularly thrilling.I do hope they get more content sooner rather than later, but I don't mind if I have to drop the game for a few weeks or months to give them time to bake.I'm guessing they'll just follow the pattern genshin does, aka tiny story quest every quarter, with a handful of shitty yapping quests and maybe a new map maybe once or twice a year at best
>>738883558You clearly aren't approaching this in good faith. No one said shit about any troughs or being forced to drink. The hatred people like you have for these kinds of games is disingenuous at best -- you have some half cocked idea about the game and choose to hate that in vapid public displays. Alternatively, you're just a spineless troll unable to commit even to a conversation.You're acting like some self involved preener all geared up with his head up his ass -- you only eat REAL AUTHENTIC food and your favorite music is from Wagner, because you think the plebs aren't cultured enough to know anything about it, and you drive an expensive car with shitty gas mileage and even more expensive maintenance so everyone knows you're not like they are.You probably despise people like I just described, but that's exactly the same behavior you're emulating now. You can hate specific games for real reasons, but blanketing them under a monetization model and blindly talking down your nose is just insulting yourself. You aren't cool or more interesting for hollow rejection of something you think it's fashionable to hate. Thinking as much makes you an even emptier caricature than you claim these games are.
>>738881764This this and this
>>738867485If chinamen hate Japan so much why do they keep making anime style games?
>>738893813Even if you were to quit right now, wouldn't you say it gave you good value? That the countless hours you spent on it to get that far for your (voluntary) $5 was worth it? Could any other game out there have provided with so much entertainment value for so little cost?I have no idea if I'll stick with the game long-term or not. I did the same thing with Endfield. Played it about a month, had a good time, and quit when I got bored. It costed me literally nothing, other than my free time, which I obviously have plenty of and no other video game would have been an objective better use of it.
>>738894454Because not everyone in China hates Japan. Even if only 10% of Chinese people like Japan, that would still be over 140 million people who are weebs.
>>738894454If Japan loves anime so much, why don't they make good anime games anymore?
>>738877934>constantly And yet you do pull it out, so don’t talk like you’re not the lowest of the low
>>738894578Absolutely, it had enough cool hidden quests and sidecontent to be easily worth the time and little money I spent on it...However, I do see the trap looming in, they want people to be heavily invested in shitty Tycoon, cars and houses, enough to waste days trying to get virtual money even though the only content that benefits from it is racing, and story will likely continue after month or two of waiting.
>>738881764I agree mostly in principle.Most of us here have a skewed perspective of monetization in the first place because we rarely pay for a game regardless. Gacha games are like early access to albums, interviews, whatever to the normal person. You can still eventually get the full experience, but money allows you to skip the line. Since our demographic never pays anyway, this stings because we're getting forced into that "normie" exchange. Games that create empty characters and sacrifice attention from more meaningful interactions aren't limited to gachas and should be called out.The China argument is irrelevant. Why care if it's a knockoff if it does something unique? It's hardly a tactic exclusive to any country. Gameplay is all over the place across all of gaming. It's not even something you can objectively pin down and debate. What constitutes "good" is gonna be different for everyone. The # of unique inputs on its own is hardly valid, and calling something shallow without qualifiers is shallow itself. That said, I acknowledge none of these games is a perfect 10, but you'd be a fool to hate a 7/10 steak just because you've had a 10/10 before. Live service is more of a perspective issue. Most games and literature these days end with some sort of open resolution that leaves a sequel on the table. The never ending drip is only a bad thing if you crave finality or perfection or something. I've stopped dozens of series and books before ending them because they lost my interest -- but the parts before I quit that I enjoyed remained enjoyable. As for saviors? No game type is pulling us back. No game type is solely responsible for where we are either. This is as much politics as it is game design and gacha games have a sort of tribal bubble around them that makes people either love or despise them. In case you think I just described myself -- I only like and defend games that I enjoy. I'm no brand fanatic and no one honest with themselves should be.
>>738895614>The China argument is irrelevant. Why care if it's a knockoff if it does something unique? It's hardly a tactic exclusive to any country.I wish they'd at least copy different genres and playstyles, but everyone is copypasting the Genshin UI, combat and questing format and it's pissing me off. It's definitely not irrelevant to call out people who copy their popular peers.How is it any less valid of a complaint than when /v/ calls out "roll slop", "friend slop" Battleroyales, extraction shooters, survival crafting games etcWhen a market gets oversaturated with people copying that one fad that got popular, it's bound to get noticed and rightfully despised
>>738895947I'm that not guy but I'm pretty sure that was entirely his point. It's not about it being "less valid" than any rollslop or hero shooter largely using the same UI. Everyone is already just copying each other.Your issue is clearly one stemmed from outright racism against Chinks. Nothing else. You hate when they do it, but for everyone else it's a-okay.
>>738895947The Genshin formula is only common in exploration, not combat. HSR, ZZZ, Wuwa, Endfield, NTE, etc all have very different combat styles from Genshin and if anything, NTE is more of a copy of Wuwa than Genshin. That's not even counting pure mobile games like Arknights and Reverse: 1999 and non-Chinese titles like Limbus, Blue Archive, NIKKE, Umamusume, etc. There's a lot of diversity in gacha games.
The only good chink gacha is WWW and it isn't dumb animeslop either.
>>738877308I think ive gone full boomer retard. This fucking ai shit slop makes me feel sad. crying kids always gets me though, especially the depressive ones.
>>738896261I never said it's okay for others either.I simply loathe devs who chase fads and copy the succesful almost perfectly.Take for example Palworld - full of copied ideas, but unique enough in it's own right because nobody has done a good 3D monster battlerdespite copying the survival crafting format, it's gameplay is very different from other games in the genre>>738896486>not combat>ZZZ>WuWa>NTEFirst of all, ZZZ isn't exactly Genshin-like in terms of openworld, second it's made by the same people lolif anyone has a right to copy genshin, it's the people who made it.as for WuWa and NTE, they're copying Hoyo format of that 1 skill 1 ult shit and character swappingBoth actually do it worse, because neither has the creativity of Genshin's elemental reactions.WuWa is mouthbreather level of no-thinking - the only thing it has going on is bringing a healer and remembering to dodgeNTE is a bit better in that regard, as it at least has the esper cycles that are kinda like elemental reaction-lite, since they're automatically cast on character swap, but are subject to a cycle cooldown or somethingBoth games also copy the the Breath of the Wild -style wall climbing, glider and stamina which Genshin popularized, and speaking of stamina, they're also copying genshin's artifact, boss, weekly boss, upgrade material system and literally everything else associated with it, like the character duplicate system, gacha rates, 5* 4* thing, ability levels, world rank tiers..I could go on and on about all the shared features.It's no accident, and it's far more blatant than some soulslike having a bonfire and estus flask imitation
>>738896701AI is just an amalgam of human ideas grandpa. The hatred is from reflexive no talents realizing their respective schticks are up. Bad art, writing, voiceover, or music is bad regardless of its source. There are uniquely AI ways for things to be bad -- but that can be turned around too. There are uniquely bad ways raw humans do things too.
>>738897004You should've seen the MMO gold rush anon. That kind of copying is as old as time and it's how the successful systems get refined.
>>738897004I obviously wasn't comparing ZZZ in exploration but in difference in combat. And how is being from the same creator an issue if the gameplay system is different? You'd hard pressed to find games that don't copy features from another, gacha or not. It seems to me that you're being far too pedantic and are not interested in a game being an enjoyable experience to play but only one that is totally original in every aspect. And again, there are many mobile gachas that fulfill that requirement. If you want absolutely zero semblance to Genshin in any way, shape, or form, then play Limbus Company. And if the anime connection is still too much, and enjoyment isn't a concern for you, play Raid Shadow Legends.
>>738897179Here's an example. I generated this with 15 seconds of typing into a free online program. It's better than the average result you'd get if you described the scene to 500 random people and asked them to paint it. Is that nullified by being created using generative AI?
>>738867858>pixels that have zero real world valueyou havent been alone long enough
>>738867485NTRNEVER TO REPRODUCE
>>738897297I did see it, and we called out those WoW knock-offs and other tab-target mmos even back then,back then it was mostly koreans mmos that flooded the marketthe west didn't bother making that many mmo:s , and if they did, they were at least relatively unique in terms of lore, classes and setting.>>738897460You're assuming wrong,why would I be able to list and describe so many genshin copies if I hadn't played and enjoyed them to some degree?The reason why I have legs to stand on and criticize these types of games is because I've actually seen them and how neck deep they are in similarities.I swear, these games even copy the gacha currency & free currency conversion ratio EXACTLY, they're so similar that you'd be excused to believe they were all made by the same devs or had some shared database where they copy the code system like some oldschool website template.
>>738897547shallow and mimetic. there is no truth in this image at all. it's just an image with no purpose and nothing to say. some might call it "soulless", for lack of a better word.
>>738897956No truth huh? Can you elaborate?What if I told you I lied and it's a real digital artwork by a human?
None of these games play like ZZZ, please stop bringing up ZZZ
>>738898132NTE plays like ZZZ lol
>>738897948There's a sense of comfort that comes with familiarity. They all use very similar systems because it makes it very easy for people already familiar with them to pick up and play.Look at Endfield. It has completely different roll income, how many gems are required per roll, and a different pity system. People hate the game because of it.
>>738898086>Can you elaborate?if you see truth in it then good for you but i do not. it has nothing to say. it's completely hollow.>What if I told you I lied and it's a real digital artwork by a human?then I'd say it's bad and derivative, that theyre a bad artist, and that they have nothing to say and are hollow.
>>738867485>China saved gaming>gachashit>gachashit>gachashit>gachashit>and soon gachashitCall me when they start developing real games
>>738898292People don't hate it because it's different, they hate it because it's worse. For example, people praise the "artifact" system of Endfield widely because it's all around better than Genshin. Whereas people chastize the pull system because it's more shit.
>>738898279It really isn't, only thing that it's like ZZZ is the shop UI cause they straight up copy from ZZZ
>>738898279They play almost nothing alike
>>738894619Most Japanese actually dislike anime and think that shit is for creepy loser manchild lol
>>738898350Black Myth Wukong. There's not much else but at least there's something lol Hope you like invisible walls
>>738894619If chink loves anime so much, why don't they make good anime or something that isn't copy paste open world with musou combat?
>>738898427lol, lmao even
china trying not to make a gacha game with the stupidest name of all time competition
If you hate China so much, why are you using product made in China
>>738891724I have too much shit to do to bother getting arrested. I've barely even gotten started on the tycoon shit. I'll get arrested when I've finished everything else. Prison's not going anywhere.
>>738898279This is the most retarded thing I've read in this thread.
>>738882094This, I can't understand how people can like this. When I see some fag even talk about Ananta I just assume they're a third worlder. Legit just chink slop blatantly copying shit to be a mish mash of stuff from popular games with no cohesive vision. Also censored because it's chinese lmao
>>738898619> Nooo, there's a 10% difference in combat, that makes it nothing alike! Reeee!
>>738898493They're too busy making games that generate them millions in revenue per month while updating them every 6 weeks with new things.Now, without deflecting, try again. Why isn't Japan doing that if they love anime so much? If Genshin is so bad, where is this ultra-high quality Japanese anime game that's so much better? Surely you can easily name a few, right?
the chinese people are laughing at you for giving them money for this btw
I use my PS5 as a dedicated gacha machine but this game overheats it like crazy. I don't really want to install it on my PC though.
>>738898673I dont know wtf are you smoking, but they play nothing alike.
>>738898467Wu chang, AI LimitBut well, its souls slop so it's not like they are very original.
>>738898692>Why isn't Japan doing that if they love anime so much?Because Japan look down at people who watch anime? They're the creator of anime doesn't mean they need to love it.If brazilian loves DB so much, why don't they make DB game?
>>738867485>China s-ACCKKK
>>738898692Why does Xiaomi and Huawei CEO still using Iphone 17 when their company make better phone than iphone?The grass is always greener on the other side
>>738898693Let's say that it is AI. I'd still take it over this abomination made by a real human bean.
>>738898746ZZZ combat takes place in an arena and is more flashy. NTE combat mostly takes place in open world, sometimes arena, and is less flashy. That's the primary difference. Mechanically, they are 90% the same.
>>738882465They did literally copy the animations one to one, shilling for this trash should be a bannable offense
>>738898837So... let's make sure I'm understanding this right.They created this thing (anime).But they think this thing is cringe.So, they don't make this thing.However, their thing (that they don't make) is better than thing that China makes.Because... ???>>738898926I have no idea who those people are or what the fuck you're saying.Just answer the question, nigger. TELL ME THE NAMES OF THESE SUPPOSEDLY HIGH-QUALITY JAPANESE ANIME GAMES.
>>738898928What's this?
>>738898968>Mechanically, they are 90% the same.They aren't. You've never played either game at endgame or even midgame.
>>738899089Forza Horizon 6
>>738899041>However, their thing (that they don't make) is better than thing that China makes.Because it made by passion, thats why still no one care about chinese anime (donghua), not even chinese otaku themselves>TELL ME THE NAMES OF THESE SUPPOSEDLY HIGH-QUALITY JAPANESE ANIME GAMES.Sure, Relink
>>738867485
>>738899005>shillingHow do you shill for a free game that isn't even out yet?Yes it's unapologetically copying, nobody is denying that, but it doesn't mean it can't be a fun game with enough uniqueness to make up for it.Honestly, the fact that you don't see ghetto culture, crass swearing and fat-asses is already enough to sell that game to me over Spider-Man or GTAit's easy to forget their crimes when their game is clearly for a more tasteful audience than the game they copy.
>>738899041Rise is very anime sugoi
>>738899160Relink is better than just about every gachaslop, I agree.Got any others?
So why are we working for Eibon instead of the main BAC HQ?
WUWA MENTIONED
>>738899239Because Zero literally came out of nowhere, so the BAC assigned us with the silliest and "weakest" scooby-doo team
>>738899303I'm assuming there's something more to it. Hotori's a lazy drunk, but everyone clearly sees her as a big deal.
>>738899225Sadly, Japan doesn’t have the same cheap labor force as China, but i enjoy hundred line. China anime game story are always so generic and boring
Why is equipment is a music CD when the game doesn't has anything to do with retro or music theme
>zzz
>>738867925ZZZ once you get past the first half of the 1.x characters just turns into mash then hit your cooldown slop exactly like Genshin and the worse designed Valkyrie in Honkai Impact.
>>738894261Based.
>>738899530>Jews joining every thread to post meaningless sales numbers no one gives a fuck about
ruh roh zzzschizo woke up
>>738899225xenoblade
>>738899143I'm not a endgame obsessed meta slave, no. Regardless, the combat mechanics work primarily the same. Saying they are nothing alike in combat mechanics is about as ridiculous as saying Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3 play nothing alike mechanically because of the small differences present.
>>738899458You have to dig for the lore, but the reason Zenless uses music players and CDs for weapons and equipment is because music has special effects in Hollows. Music can make you stronger, while debuffing Ethereals in various ways. This is why Astra's singing has buff effects.
>>738899537t. got filtered by the Ballet Twins
>>738899458Chinese man watch some popular Japan animeChinese man think it super cool sugoi It's in China game now
>>738899403Forced retirement.
>>738899602It was bait but I guess no one here play NTE to know their weapon gacha is just CD
>>738899579>jewsMihoyo which is a chinese company gives a fuck because apparently the game flopped so hard is now kneeling to steam to let them inside the store lmaoTurns out chinks don't like a game promoting black culture like this garbage
>>738899676Oh, huh. I never really paid much attention. It's not immediately obvious what these things are if you don't pay attention, and I'm too busy doing quests and exploring to pay much attention to the lore yet.
>>738899603>First half>includes Chapter 3 and the first hard mode Twins>pretends having infinite parry on yi doesn't negate the slingshot spin phaseFucking poser
>>738899458>>738899676The real reason is: ITS JUST LIKE MY 90s JAPAN ANIME EVANGELION COWBOY BEPOP GITS ERGO PROXY SUPA COOL SUGOI
>>738899589I'm not saying their nothing alike, but to say that they're "90% the same" is huge hyperbole.ZZZ has two main playstyles: characters that want to do huge damage during short-window stun timers, and characters that apply anomaly aids and then want to pop said anomaly aids with Ablooms.There are no stun window combos in NTE, because enemies don't take extra damage during stuns.Threre are no Ablooms to pop, because anomaly aids don't exist outside of one esper cycle and doesn't make up a huge portion of the damage.What you're doing is trying to tell me that Disgaea and Persona play "90% the same" because they're both turn-based RPGs.
>gachafags are actually pretending to have any taste or substancehoooooo that might just be the funniest shit i've read this week
>>738899438Arknights
Does Nanally actually go to school?
>>738899723Then go to a fucking Mihoyo thread, retard
They’re all good games, none of them are objectively bad. I think NTE is the only one with an interesting open world though. Wuwas one is basically useless, and the others have worn thin.
>>738867485>neverness>neverness>neverness used to be everness>and everness chilled my woooorrrrrllldd
>>738899853>HE IS DA MASTER OF CHESS>THIS IS A TORNADO OF BLOOD>HE IS CRAZY AND HE IS DA CHESS MASTER>HE CRAVE FOR BLOOD >WHAT A MONSTER OF BLOOD OMGSorry, too much cringe
I don’t know why NTE tried to take so much from ZZZ’s UI and aesthetics. They’re just going to deviate from it in a year anyway.
>>738899854yes, she's a good girl
>>738899878Sorry buddy someone linked this thread in another board and i came to laugh at those retards shilling their black culture gacha garbage hereYou may ignore this post now
>>738899458>>738899676Because weebs think retro is cool, wacky is cool, i'm so different than normies. What is so hard to understand ?
>>738899840You've actually just proven my point. Take away stun window, a small difference as not even every ZZZ character relies on it, and you have primarily the same gameplay mechanics. You are hyperinflating differences to equate to them being more different than similar when that is objectively false. Your analogy with Disgaea is also a very poor one. More similar is the one I already made, between Dark Souls and Elden Ring. Yes, they have some different combat mechanics, but more similarities than differences, which makes their combat gameplay very similar, just as with ZZZ and NTE.
>>738900018What the fuck is a Taygedo, does Grok come up with the name
>>738900082>If you don't count these things, it literally the same!Every fucking time
>>738899209So true Ananta is so based here's how bunnygirls look in it! We love love LOVE censored slop when it's chinese!!!
>>738900082So if you take away the "very fucking important part of the game" then they're the same, because uhh... you can attack, dodge, and parry (which actually works completely different in each game), and you have skills and ults.Damn, crazy. I guess every single action RPG in existence plays "90% the same" as each other then. And every shooter might as well be 100% the same because you're aiming down sights with right-click and then shooting with left-click. Crazy.
>>738900096We like Chadgedo here, fuck off nigger.
>>738900157You are genuinely retarded if you missed the point this hard. 90% similar gameplay means 10% difference. Take way the 10% difference, and they play mostly the same. Quit your whiny fanboying about your precious ZZZ being wholly unique mechanically with nothing else like it, because there are absolutely other games that play like it, NTE being one
>>738900281Yiff in hell furfaggot
>>738900340It's a good thing you already admitted you have no experience with endgame, making your opinion about as useful as dirt.
>>738882094>If every game in the genera is like thisIt's not.
>>738900247Yes, Call of Duty and Medal of Honor play mostly the same with differences for example. Why this makes you cry and seethe when applied to ZZZ is beyond me.
>>738900407Endgame is a small fraction of gacha games and plays identically to normal gameplay. Are you literally saying "ZZZ in endgame and ZZZ outside of endgame are two entirely different games"? Because you're high on fent if you think that's true.
>>738900340Agree. Warcraft 3 and AoE 2 play the same and look the same, right click to move and attack, only 10% different by the way
>>738900392
>>738900437... And then there's the fact that ZZZ is 3 characters instead of 4.... And parries are only usable a limited amount of times because of Assist Points.... And skills cost Energy that make you invulnerable, whereas they just have cooldowns in NTE.... And aftershocks let certain characters participate while off-field.But yep, both games are the exact same. 90% identical. Haha, I sure do feel like I'm playing Deadly Assault in ZZZ when playing NTE!
>>738900540Okay? And? Haven't played either but if they play more similarly than not, then they have mostly similar gameplays.
>>738900582Thanks for admitting that they have extremely similar mechanics lol
>>738900407>B-BUT IT GETS GOOD WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT TO BEAT THE GAME
>>738900648>doesn't even know WC3 and AoE2literally just a streetshitter zoomer
>>738900701>I'M AN EXPERT ON THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE I WATCHED MY FAVORITE STREAMER PLAY IT FOR 5 MINUTES ONCE AND /V/ TOLD ME IT WAS BAD!
>>738900750Oh I know them, but I don't play them. I'm an action and turned based RPG gamer.
I prefer the faster twitch combat style in WuWa. The combat style in NTE is slower but more comfy to do.
Did they fix the glaring anticheat vulnerability yet?
>>738900904I prefer you to fuck off back to your dead thread
>>738867858Uhh, these games are free to play...
>>738900537>"ZZZ in endgame and ZZZ outside of endgame are two entirely different games"?yes. Endgame is ballbusting: sweat or swipe. Story mode is made for toddlers playing with phones
>>738900785>It's a good thing you already admitted you have no experience with endgame, making your opinion about as useful as dirt.this implies that, whether or not you think everything before endgame isn't indicative of the game's real worth. i don't know why i'm the one who needs to tell you this, but getting to the END of a fucking game is a pretty significant investment no matter what game you're talking about, which is why the "BUT IT GETS BETTER X AMOUNT OF RIDICULOUSLY LARGE HOURS IN!" is a meme lmao. any more questions, jose?
>>738867485>censoredwhy even make a game like this if you're not gonna have fanservice
>>738899209>Honestly, the fact that you don't see ghetto culture, crass swearing and fat-asses is already enough to sell that game to me over Spider-Man or GTAJust that alone makes me more hyped for this game than GTA. When I look at pictures of GTA6 I feel like I smell the stinky fat people. And I don't care if it's copy and pasting. Combining GTA with Watchdogs and Spider-Man is the perfect "City Game"
>>738871090Nice.
>>738901417So true we love censored slop when it's chinese! >>738900181
>>738901286Looks good to me https://youtube.com/shorts/WObo9pOK--4
>>738900904wuwa lostyuritroons lost
>>738901217It's a meme in your toddler brain, but one cannot accurately judge a game's playstyle without experiencing all of it. I'd make a food analogy but I won't bother because that'd only get me a green text reply.Look at MMOs. For the first 20 hours or more you're essentially spamming your 1 key over and over against enemies that barely fight back. Honestly not all too different from a gacha. But people play them to raid, an endgame actively that easily requires 100+ hours of commitment.When people are discussing the gameplay, that's what they're talking about. The game about it's peak. Not at it's lowest common denominator point.Any more questions, Pedro?
>>738874251there is one gacha with real gameplay
We need more gacha with sibling couples.
Raytracing is a good thing, perhaps the best of things.
>>738867925Zzz only have the combat tho plus is not even the beat one in the market. Rate the entire package not just one feature
>>738898335You sound like the person described in >>738894261What the fuck isn't derivative? Did you invent the words you're typing? No art says anything unless there's literally fucking words in it. Anything you hear comes from within you.
Will Blackbird ever be playable?
>>738902235>Zzz only have the combat thoNah the character designs and lore are also top notch
Once you’ve played one Chinese gacha game, it feels like you’ve played them all. They all have the same musou-style character switching, braindead flashy VFX combat, and overdesigned characters. The male characters always look like generic twink faggot, while the female characters look like random mashups of popular japan anime character
>>738902378The musou style character switching is inevitable since these games are build around pulling characters via gacha. It's just the most practical method. At the end of the day, there's only so much you could do when gacha's the main foundation you're building your entire game around. It's the biggest limiting factor of all these games.
>>738902378Endfield having all 4 characters in your party out at least did it right.
>>738902378>he's never played the game with a paraplegic autist, a blind man, and a shape shifting sex offender Tragic.
>>738902378China is truly the biggest example of sissyfication
>>738902580So it's just xenoblade?
>>738902612Thinking manliness is how you look is the biggest sissification of all.
>>738902580They're mostly useless though.
>>738902601You mean Wuwa? That game combat make me bore out of my mind. It's the biggest example of all flashy no substance. >paraplegic autist, a blind man, and a shape shifting sex offenderThey're all generic twink #325241
>>738867485When you faggets get hacked because you installed ching chong malware i'm gonna be laughing that a poojeet has access to all your shit.
>>738902660Sure.Don't know why you're specifically saying Xenoblade when countless other JRPGs also do that.>>738902743Yeah, but apparently this is something unheard of in the gacha space, which is weird cause at least it lets you look at your characters.
>>738902698>Thinking manliness is how you look is the biggest sissification of all.Sorry, but even chinese is start to making fun of their sissification propaganda. Shit is funny lol
>>738902763Go dunk on level 6 hyvatia or sigillum epic gamer bro. It's just flashy empty gameplay.
>>738899220is that axe also a guitar
>>738902698Hello sissy
>>738902846These people play the first five minutes of any game because that's all their attention span allows.
>>738898670looks kino
>>738902790It's because Endfield isn't actually open world. If your party were around at all times in something like Genshin, they'd constantly get caught in shit, constantly try to climb shit, constantly fall down shit. They'd also constantly be in the way because everything has collision.
>>738902846Can’t be bothered since I already uninstalled Wuwa year ago. Just downloaded it again recently because of the Cyberpunk collab, but then I pulled that new character Hiroto something, the Japanese shrine maiden, and her gameplay made me uninstall the game again. All flashy floaty weightless
>>738902878Caring what people think is pretty sissy sweetie.
>>738903043Hello Kris
>>738903036So you're a child with no command over his faculties and completely at the mercy of his whims.
>>738903120lmao who saves shit like this.
>>738901697>It's a meme in your toddler brain>unironically pulls a IT GETS GOOD 100+ HOURS INfood analogies aren't even an issue, and if they were, they would easily be the least of this drivel's issues. the fact that you're pretending that there's nothing wrong with 100+ or even 20 hours of mindless grind to get to the "good part" and insinuating that the people who don't like treating games like a job are somehow crazy is genuinely fucking mental lmao, especially when other, much better games make their case in the first hour or so. god damn, the third world isn't sending its best
>>738902327Characters are ok some being amazing. The lore and story is slop just like NTE
>>738903120Looks like he reproduced. Doing better than most of the failed to launch carpet moss in this thread.
>>738903149Sorry man, I like manga and anime and shrine maiden and Katana, it's not my fault that the gameplay is just so shit
>>738874251>Early enemies can be beaten just button mashing to lure you in>Everything else later on becomes combo cooldown hyper character swapping shit you need to shell out for other character for
>>738902743I really wish they'd just beat the living hell out of NPCs like clones do in Wukong. Yes, it would absolutely destroy the balance of the game but God it'd be so funny.
>>738903162Being able to participate in delayed gratification is a sign of intelligence. Sorry for your loss bro.
>>738897004Too bad Genshin has been dogshit for years, partially because it refuses to update many of it's now-archaic design choices, and those it does always come with some bullshit limitation. It also has Paimon and the worst waifus meaning characters you can actually treat as waifus.Between NTE and WuWa WuWa plays better and has a better story, though it's aesthetic is all over the place. It's also the worst optimized; the 3.0 areas can run like ass even on PC. NTE by comparison is much better optimized and the urban environment is pretty fresh by comparison. It also is the most generous by far, though that could be subject to change. Biggest detriment is character design which is easily the worst of the three, though some characters are at least already getting alt outfits that don't look like shit compared to WuWa's.
>>738903265>Early enemies can be beaten just button mashing to lure you in>Everything else later on becomes combo cooldown hyper character swapping shit you need to shell out for other character forSound like HSR, the power creep is just horrid lol
>>738903261Can you even describe what's so bad about it other than not having hit lag like your favorite souls clone?
>>738903261>48 hoursSo you barely touched the game and likely never did holograms. Whatever you say, bwo.
>>738903302They do attack, but normal, unbuffed attacks can only get you so far.
>>738903353Glad I got this shit out of the way years ago for the trophy. Is it really that bad now?
>>738903359Every characters in Wuwa just feel the same flashy AoE, floaty movement, weightless attack.>>738903416Yeah sure, it will get good after 20000 hours, i guess
>>738903317There must be islands of hardware stability because I run wuwa at Max, 4k 60fps and only get to like 60% GPU use. For storyfags Wuwa has some actually good shit from time to time so it's worth the performance issues even if you have them.
>>738903480It's always bad
>>738903498You didn't play the game, and bitching about the gameplay quality? Not a good look on you, bwoyo.
>Wuthering my fart waves
>>738903498If you play every game expecting monster Hunter then that's a you problem. I recently platinumed wilds. Monhun is far from perfect besides.
>>738903312there's a difference between delayed gratification and a genuine waste of fucking time. play something like the last remnant so you can see the discrepancy between real investment and the sunken cost mentality your mobile game puts you through
>>738903480Genshin or HSR? If HSR, then the game really wants Remembrance and Elation teams now for easy victories but you can survive without them for the most part, granted you have a well build sustain on your team (Hyacine or Dan Heng PT).
>>738903667At least this shit has the decency to have a skip button.
>>738903541Most people's issues I've seen comes from Startorch Academy due to the shitload of NPCs. My game hasn't been too bad there but it does usually run around 50 FPS at 1080p. And god forbid you try it on a phone.
>>738903648>You didn't play the game48 hours isn’t playing the game?>>738903669It's still better than every china slop, sadly
>>738903353I can't really get these kinds of numbers with my teams.
>>738903498The thing I hated about Wuwa was just how flashy it is. Endfield was a breath of fresh air after I switched to it. Love being able to easily see what's on the screen and not be blinded by my own attacks.
>>738903648>t-t-t-t-t-this f2p weebshit gacha will get good after 200000 hours
>>738903682I've been playing games for over three decades anon. I won't pretend I've seen everything, but my experience isn't nubile enough that I can't compare these things meaningfully. I don't think it takes 20 hours to get anywhere, that was another anon. Unless you deliberately fuck around it's like 5 before you really open things up, at least in Wuwa and zzz.
>>738903770Yes. Unless you've optimized echo, skills, and material farming, and have done nothing with the story, you could make an argument you did. But seeing you're more bitching and less reasoning, it's hard to believe you.
>>738867606fpbp
>>738898670>cool stuff, but betterhow is this bad
Ninja Gaiden feels like the best example of flashy combat but isn’t floaty or weightless to me
>>738903416>NYOOOO!! it will get gud after 1984+67 hours, you haven't even become a good slave yet!
>>738903967Hey, you know my birth year!
>>738903770The story is flaming dog shit, the characters are one dimension AT BEST, and it's no secret the timing and ranging fully committed combat style of monhun is divisive. I obviously enjoy it, but I've got friends who rage quit within hours.
>>738903907I just play the main story from the start to that academy shit with that forgettable jap game and that forgettable gyaru. >material farmingWhy do i need to material farming to enjoy the game?
>>738904023Did you play Monhun naked? >>738903498 No? Point taken.
>>738903907>i-i-i-i-i-i-i-it will get good after 2000000 hours of grinding and farming
>>738903992A man your age playing gaycha? I was expecting a retarded zoomie, you've definitely played better stuff before. That's sad, you should know you deserve better.
>>738904023Are you a skip enjoyer? Tiktok and reels fry your attention span? If you made it to 3.0 then you should've at least had some good story experiences if nothing else.
>>738867485Censored panties slop.
>>738904101Not Shin (Thankfully)To be fair gacha seems perfect for older people too, given how easy it is to hop in.
>>738904101What if he's played and beaten everything that's better already?
>>738904101Bwo, I love my tongue-searing garlic chili on my barbecue and fried chicken, but that doesn't mean I use it on everything, all day every day.
>>738904073Nigga, most armor sets in world on need like 3 runs to finish, and fighting monster in MH is enjoyable, with friends is even more fun. Unlike the floaty shit that is Wuwa>>738904103Why do I need to keep playing a video game I don’t like? That makes no sense
>>738904165I bet my ass he hasn't played half of the good games in the world, even if he tried and didn't waste time on gacha games he wouldn't succeed.
>>738867485the worst thing about these gatcha games is how they don't respect the world they've created or their characters. they always stick to their business model on selling you the next character-of-the-week and then forget this character ever existed. it feels so fake and disgusting. not to mention the unending plot holes in their "stories".
>>738904103>Are you a skip enjoyer?I start to skipping the story after black shores shit, Story is fucking cringe
>>738904215>you have to progress through the game to gain access to other monsters>repeat farming to get the materials for the armor sets and weaponsRight...
>>738904101He is a seanigger
>>738900062not that guy but no one believes you came here from another thread, everyone knows you spend your life here I often lurk these gacha threads and there's not a single time where someone mentions zzz that you're not here posting about this "black culture gacha" thingyou're absolutely unhinged and taking revenge on some chink game as serious as you do is autism behaviour
>>738904286>>repeat farming to get the materials for the armor sets and weaponsSorry bro, MH combat is fun and enjoyable unlike floaty china slop
>>738904275 Suddenly it all comes together. I'd love to hear what you think a good story is.
>>738904367The Artful Dodger.
>retard that roleplays as an internet femboy plays LE ROLLSLOPPA that he was lambasting a few posts ago
>>738904103The first story arc of Wuwa is objectively the worst story arc ever made in a gacha game, which is really saying something.
>>738904229>I think gacha games are worse than 99% of games so it's impossible he finished 99% of gamesIf you start from an absurd premise you end up with absurd conclusions.
>>738904145Ok but most gacha players in the west are zoomers (old asians play gacha because it's the only thing they can play with their 15 minutes of free time)
>>738904428please don't say that a gacha game is your baseline for good storytelling, you are not about to suggest that
>>738904548Most video game players, globally, are zoomers.
Last MonHun I played was 4 Ultimate btw, so my knowledge to newer games are limited.
>>738904516You're the one who came to that conclusion, I just said "good games". but you are right about the average game being better than the average gaycha
>>7389045141.0 is rough, but it's not the worst. That's clearly an exaggeration or blissful ignorance. It's also received context from the latest content that makes it more tolerable in retrospect. 1.3 and onwards is mostly positive with a few genuinely good arcs.
>>738904428>I'd love to hear what you think a good story is.Probably not wuwa, genshit, hsr, zzz, nte or any other chinkslop
>>738904548I didn't say otherwise.
>>738904578I didn't say that. I will say that gacha games can have good stories though.
>>738904145Seeing old farts playing gaycha makes me sad because they experienced a golden age of gaming and now they're accepting and creating GaaS garbage
Where Winds Meets likely has better quest stories than the last dozen or so games you've played. I don't know why people assume that a monetisation model has to dictate all other aspects of a game. Some games have great stories, regardless of the genre, themes, etc.There are plenty of visual novels with shitty stories and those are essentially entirely narrative driven, so the format does not necessarily dictate the outcome.
>>738904712>I will say that gacha games can have good stories thoughThey don’t even have endings, so how can they be considered good stories in any way?
>>738904786You can't be serious.
>>738904754I-I'm not old... I'm still playing real (i.e. contrarian-approved games (lmao oxymoron) games...!
>>738904762Shit is just typical chink gay kungfu shit story, and it has the same if you kill him you will be just like him too LMAO
Shin you promised that you will kill yourself...
>>738904852Shin promises a lot of thing he can't keep.Like only playing Wuwa, but he's a cheater.
I'm doing a hard run right now. Isn't Metroid a real game?
>>738904712>Stories designed to be endless, as long as they generate profit with their latest generic character, lacking depth or conclusions, are actually good stories.
>>738904661>>738904786Try to put your big boy panties on for a minute and just consider what the philosophic elements of a good story are. Relatability Internal consistencyConflictResolutionYou might see resolution and think that means "ending", but that's incorrect. A story is not just the entire overarching plot, but many plots sensibly strung together. Resolution is the point at which the plot can advance. Your need for the certainty of an "end" sounds like some sort of narrative insecurity -- you need your stories to have something conclusive. How many lives end so neatly anon?
>>738867485I do not like how widespread the "D-pad party" feature is becoming.Game is largely fine aside from that though.Well, except the gacha bit.What is it with Asians and gacha?
>play western game>lol trannyslop>play japanese game>lol [anime genre]slop>play Chinese game>lol chinkslop>play Game of The Year>lol shillslop>play obscure game>lol indieslop>play gacha>lol gachaslop
>>738905059If you hate everything that must mean you have transcendent taste and are better than everyone.
>>738905059Me?chanslop
>>738904786>I don't know if a story is good until I've read the very last sentence. It's okay lil bro, one day you'll move past hooked on phonics.
>>738904754I only enjoy games if literally no one else likes them. The second I see someone else say something positive about a game I'm playing I drop it instantly. I am very smart.
>>738905375I hope you're not a fan of Grandia because it's my favorite game....... in the world.
>>738905426I have to throw it away, delete it too. Thanks pleb....Grandia is trash and the people that play it are the reason I don't have a girlfriend and there are brown people.
>>738905512But Justin married Feena and have mini Justins and Feenas...
>>738898928and what's so bad about that again?
>>738905014>relatability"relatability" being as coveted as it is right now is the reason why we have DEI
>>738904836>this is supposedly a real adult on the internet>he is unironically typing like he's in a furry roleplay forum
Though that said, I greatly enjoy Wuthering Waves and you should give the game the old college try.
>>738906708All the greatest characters in fiction are those whose stories resonate with the audience because of how relatable they are, and the life lessons they teach. As far as likable goes, protagonists should definitely be likable, otherwise you're not going to sell your product.
>>738867858>gambling with serious amounts of money over pixels that have zero real world valueGet a load of this dumbass disproving his own point by the end of his own first sentence.
>>73890475440 year old here. Gacha games give me the same feeling I used to have playing games as a kid. Modern goyslop can never compete.
>>738904428>>738904712>>738905014>>738906812>Chinks trying their best to conviced people their weebshit solo shitting wet dream has good storyLMAO
>>738906812>All the greatest characters in fiction are those whose stories resonate with the audience because of how relatable they are, and the life lessons they teach. As far as likable goes, protagonists should definitely be likable,Name one likable character in Wuthering Waves who isn’t immediately forgotten in the next patch?
>>738907312Everyone is likable though? You may not like one or the other, but that's a matter of taste.
>>738907771Name one then?
>>738908512Encore, Phoebe, Froglover, Lynae, Siggy Diggy, and Chisa. Yeah, I know Chisa got mogged.
>>738908652>Encore, Phoebe, Froglover, Lynae, Siggy Diggy, and Chisa>The typical generic anime stereotypes in every isekaishit anime>All get immediately forgotten in the next patch>likablelol
>>738906853I am also old and hollow. which gacha should i play
>>738908652>go to new place>meet new female character>find Chisa (Optional)>"OH MY GOD IS THAT ROVER-SAMA THE GOD EMPEROR CREATOR PUSSY WOMBSLAYER EARLY BITCOIN ADOPTER CHADGOD OF DESTRUCTION THE FIRST RESONATOR, THE FIRST INSTANCE, LORD ARBITER, ASTRAL MODULATOR, CHIEF STEWARD, FOUNDER AND LEADER OF THE BLACK SHORES, SAVIOR OF JINZHOU, STAR, DREAMWALKER, GUIDE OF CIVILIZATIONS, SEED OF FATE, MASTER, RIGHTEOUS ONE, FATED ONE, SAVIOR OF THE MONTELLIS, CAT'S EYE, MIGHTY GODKILLER, ETERNAL ALLY OF THE FIASLIAS, CHAMPION, HADRIAN THE FOURTH, APEX DUELER, WARRIOR, LAUREATE OF RAGUNNA, CHAMPION OF SEPITMONT, FAVORED GLADIATOR OF ARSINOSA, HONORED GUEST FROM AFAR, THE UNWRITTEN ONE, HERO OF HEROES, ROSEBEARER, YOUR GRACE, INITIATOR, HONORED ONE, HERALD OF HOPE, SENPAI, DARK LEGEND OF JUSTICE, CLASSMATE, THE DARK THUNDERBOLT, AND VOIDWORM RIDER ALPHA SIGMA MALE TOP G OMEGA OVERLORD INFINITY PLUS ULTRA MAX??!?!>THE ONE PROPHECISED TO SAVE THE WORLD SINGLEHANDEDLY?!??!!?>every man kneels>red carpet rolls out>trumpets play>"YOU ARE THE PROPHECISED HERO! THE GOD OVERLORD KING OF KINGS! YOU ARE TO SLAY THE BIG BAD EVIL GUY!">mentioned exactly once before>big bad appears>"HAHA!!! WE ARE EVIL AND WE ARE HERE TO *twirls moustache* DESTROY THE WORLD!!!!">beat them in 2 minutes>every woman undresses>"I HAVE LOVED YOU SINCE BEFORE THE VERY IDEA OF THIS UNIVERSE STARTED PLEASE FUCK ME RIGHT HERE AND NOW!">go to next region>never interact with previous cast again>rinse repeatquoth the storyfags>OOOOH THIS STORY IS SO HECEKRINO PEAK HE IS LITERALLY ME THIS IS JUST LIKE SOLO LEVELING
>>738908707I knew you'd pull a gotcha. Sad because I was gonna give you a proper response. You're too stupid for that, I'm afraid.
>>738908885What’s the gotcha here? Can you name anything likable about those generic bootleg anime characters
>>738908934A fitting picture for you, Anon. The nutrients for the brain got stuck in your neck.
>>738874251Trvke nvke
>>738867485I wanted to like this game but screen smashers are so retarded there is an auto combat option yet?
>>738908812I'm not reading all that.So that sucks, or that's cool.
>>738908975Can you name some likable chinaslop character yet?
>>738867485>oh I love playing mediocre slop whit basic bitch combat>it has coomer bait anime girls in it so gaming is saved!
>>738879860>i could be playing xcom/persona/etc>those games are so much betterIf there were no gambling, he'd still play gacha. That video wouldn't exist if he actually liked those games better. Larping as a games connoisseur, saying "he could be playing" as if he'd get more mileage or a better experience from those games. The ugly truth dudes like this don't want to admit is that these chinese and korean games are simply more entertaining and complexity/skill/mastery of and over a game isn't what's most important, although it does help. The presentation, the soundtrack, the writing, the characters are equally if not more important. That's why those games are succeeding, it has nothing to do with the "gambling" that's barely there to begin with for the vast majority of the playerbase because they simply cannot afford to "gamble" because they can't shell out 500$ per patch to waste it away on pixels, they're not that wealthy, very few people are.
>>738908975>can't name any thing likable or memorable about chink bootleg anime character>Starts throwing insults at everyoneheh
>>738909272>he ugly truth dudes like this don't want to admit is that these chinese and korean games are simply more entertaining and complexity/skill/mastery of and over a game isn't what's most important, although it does help. The presentation, the soundtrack, the writing, the characters are equally if not more important. That's why those games are succeeding>Korean auto grinding gacha>China musoushit gacha>HSR auto combat>complexity, writing, characters, presentationAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
>>738908812that "game" is steaming pile of shit when it comes to storygachashit is generally known to have dogshit stories, but wuwa is notoriously bad, like can you really get more braindead than this? Probably even genshit has better story>>738903416>gachatranny cope
>>738909272>complexity/skill/mastery
>>738909272The presentation, the soundtrack, the writing, the characters of chink game:>NPC: Hello dear, I was going to make some Radish Soup, but the Radishes that my late husband used to love are high up on the mountain.>NinghaoChingChong: Wow! You used to be married, Granny?>NPC: Yes, dear. I was. But that was so long ago, and these knees of mine can't make the trip up the mountain anymore. What a long journey it is to get those Radishes, for this soup.> NinghaoChingChong: So what you're saying is that you want to get some Radishes.> Adam and Lily: To make some soup that your late husband used to like.> NinghaoChingChong: But you have bad knees and the Radishes are really high up there.> NinghaoChingChong: NinghaoChingChong thinks we should help Granny, what do you think *eerie silence but our name is written here?>Rover Option A: We should>rover Option B: We should but it is Option B>NPC: That is very kind of you two, helping out an old lady like myself that has bad knees.> NinghaoChingChong: That is what NinghaoChingChong does, help people!>NPC: The Radishes are up the hill over there.> NinghaoChingChong: The hill up there you say? We should go to the hill up there! Come on, Lily is on the case!>Walks 5 feet towards the hill>NPC: Do you have the Radishes that I needed for my Knee Revitalizing Radish Soup?>NPC: Thank you for going all this way for an old lady like me, with bad knees. Here let me teach you how to make this delicious Radi-> NinghaoChingChong interrupts: NinghaoChingChong still can't believe that you were married!>NPC: Why yes, I was. His name was Lucifer Satanrino, and he was a member of the Jackareni Floatition of the Radish Knee Brigade over in Flockistaniana and he was such a looker, with his eyes, that could see knees for days. Well, I was a young smitten...
>>738909423>button mashing>bullet sponge>visual clutter gachashit "gaym" play, don't get me even started how bad and subhuman gunplay even feels. I could go on and on how dogshit gachashit is, but we all know by now
Call me when they release something that isn't slop.
>>738909574everything from the ccp is sludge
>>738882465>>738899005copying only becomes a problem when it's repetitive to the point where it becomes over saturated. But if a game copies a great mechanic (in this example, web slinging), why the fuck should I care? I'm not some corpos lawyer. I say good, more games should steal great mechanics so that we have more games with great mechanics.
>>738909423wuwa is easily the most pretentious of gachaslop right now
So is the entire game just gonna take place in this one city until EoS?
>>738909859people found islands with roads and blocked in cities, so who knows
>>738906812that pic was from aaron ehasz, the guy that tard wrangled mike and bryan during the run of OG avatar (if you noticed everything after OG was irredeemable dogshit and couldn't figure out why, he's never come back to the team since). there's nothing wrong with relatability in itself, as he said, but it's often a misnomer if not a red herring of good writing in itself. verisimilitude, depth and just plain good execution. the reason john yiik doesn't work as a protagonist, for example, isn't just because he's a prick, but because he's just painful to listen to (this extends to yiik as a whole). someone like light yagami on the other hand, while he isn't particularly deep or all that believable, manages to endear himself with audiences despite being an utter psychopath because not only does the dude have conviction, but the story of a high school kid getting caught up in his delusions and fucking with the world so he can take the throne of god without being super pretentious is just a damn good watch. a character that's solely likable and/or relatable more often than not ends with pandering trash
So how canon is it that we own multiple cafes and apartments? These gameplay elements don't really seem to mesh well with the fact that Eibon barely has any income.
>>738899773>yixuan>infinite parrySo you don't play the game got it.
I just really like the game. Running into anomalies in the open world is great. The whole thing feels like a one off seasonal anime /a/ would get into from 2012.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Lucy and Rebecca gameplay will be revealed by Xbox in X in a few hours.
>>738899537Since 2.0 a lot of the bosses have actual mechanics you need to play around, mostly borrowed from MMOs like Final Fantasy 14. Is a shame the game takes a lot of time to get to bosses with some difficulty. Also battle tower where they take away the parry flashes makes the game actually hard and forces you to learn their patterns and combos.
>>738911792>zzz has XIV mechanics nowAlright I’ll download it again. I miss the tvs, they were the best but I’ll give it another shot off this one post alone.
>>738911843Calling them MMO mechanic is a bit of stretch, most of them boil down to press a button at the right time, not that I hate them of course, Control Skill being a better one among them
>>738885872The anachronism of ZZZ is not there just because or the artstyle they had the decency of making it part of the lore. In the setting the space-temporal anomalies called Hollows corrupts/destroys technology and is faster the more advanced it is, due to this people regressed to using 80s/90s analog technology as the previously advanced space fairing human civilization got technologically crippled. This is how the setting explains society being on a permanent Y2K era.
>>738869341I can respect that, but then recommend me a game i can run with 8 gb of ram, has attractive characters, open world exploration with chests, randomness in gear drops, builds and simple kill the bad guy story? Single player games are all usa politics nigger slop made with unreal 5 so you need 64 ram just to look at the main menu, they are created by people who hate video games and the when it comes to gameplay its actually the same look at and press f to solve bullshit. So gacha>signle player games.
>>738912102He is not that wrong, FF14 mechanics are not complicated either outside the hardest of content, they mostly boil down to "move out of the telegraphed attack" or "simon says for adults". The true "skill" of some of this gacha games are buff upkeep, which you also have to do in MMOs.The only way ZZZ could add some more difficulty while still allowing mobile players to clear content if they added more bosses that interrupted i-frames or punished greed by trying to grab you out of combos but that's it, people that want +10 keys to press to make whacky combos will never be satisfied and gaming in general has moved to condensing combos into as few keys as possible.
>>738912123One thing ZZZ does well is establishing just how the world reacts to the hollows and adapt to them. In NTE, there’s basically none of that. Even other titles like Digimon and Persona don’t really go into that social aspect much.
Being on mobile holds the whole genre back in terms of keeping combat input simplified for touch controls. All of these games should have an extra attack button, but they just don’t.
How come gachaMONGS eat up any slop out there? Girl x girl romamce would be memed to death as pozzed garbage even wokegarbage like cyberpunk put in some effort to make male mc x girl and girl mc x male romance yet anything goes for gachaslop.
>>738912437>anything goes for gachaNo need to lie like this
>>738911843it's a good time to pull, promeia feels broken as fuck
I'm having fun but it's pretty shameless lmao
>>738909352>>738909423>>738909482And yet it's more entertaining, that's why he's playing that instead of whatever else he could be playing. Gaming has evolved toward parasocial relationships with surrogate digital characters and only the chinese got the memo. The rest still think they need to make autism shit. Ironically, blizzard had the recipe years ago, that's why world of warcraft got to where it was. Most dialogue in gacha games is shooting the shit outside narrative driven gacha games which have a visual novel presentation, and that's something that doesn't happen anymore in both games and irl.
>>738913403The whole game is a ripped off of Japanese stuff. Chinks will call it references, inspiration but it's actually plainly stealing
>>738913438>Most dialogue in gacha games is shooting the shit outside narrative driven gacha games which have a visual novel presentation, and that's something that doesn't happen anymore in both games and irl.What are you on about?
>>738913438What is this retard talking about?
>>738909482Holy fucking kek, i cant handle chinkshit their word vomit pisses me off so much i cant do it. And not like i dont read i pick up time to time Lns and read VNs often but only chinkshit managed me to bore me to sleep, i unironically fell asleep on my desk reading wuwa.
>>738867485Are any of these games any good? I really didn't think much of Black Myth Wukong and I want to find some games to play with my new PC.I already beat Stellar Blade and Crimson Desert, but they're Korean.
>>738914773>>738879860
>>738909276Now this is shitposting. There's no point in listing characters when it's obvious you're just going to handwave anything said and accuse people of being dumb or uncultured or whatever white horse you think you're riding. Someone mentioned compelling protagonists earlier and brought up Light Yagami -- implying that was the bar for the moniker without even characterizing that light only worked because of his specific context and would've fallen flat real quick without L. Good writing is complicated even when the story that results from it is simple.At the risk of wasting my time though, here's 2...Shorekeeper is the first standout you interact with that's had any permanence. She seems like a 1 dimensional character because she's literally trying to commit suicide while Rover is in amnesia and won't know any better. She's an artificial that struggles with the divide between purpose and agency and really sets an anchor for the kind of decisions Rover is gonna make. That alone makes her memorable, but then she goes on to be one of the first characters to commit to the weight her story created. Years later we still contact her and she has background relevance and continuity of that emotional hook. It's not over the top, but it's not unrealistic either. There's story told in body language and tone that is easily missed, especially if you're not watching in a language you speak. Phrolova has been part of the story in some capacity since the beginning so it's hard to think someone thinks she was abandoned. Her introduction, the patch dedicated to her entirely, her "death", and her connection moving forward had a permanent impact on the story. Basically the first person to treat Rover like a human instead of king Glaze, she throws back at every moral gotcha most stories would stop at in believably flawed ways. She never gets redeemed. She's not excused for her bullshit. And she's able to point a finger at the protagonist and force his development for us.
>>738914928blahblahblahblah>go to new place>meet new female character>find Chisa (Optional)>"OH MY GOD IS THAT ROVER-SAMA THE GOD EMPEROR CREATOR PUSSY WOMBSLAYER EARLY BITCOIN ADOPTER CHADGOD OF DESTRUCTION THE FIRST RESONATOR, THE FIRST INSTANCE, LORD ARBITER, ASTRAL MODULATOR, CHIEF STEWARD, FOUNDER AND LEADER OF THE BLACK SHORES, SAVIOR OF JINZHOU, STAR, DREAMWALKER, GUIDE OF CIVILIZATIONS, SEED OF FATE, MASTER, RIGHTEOUS ONE, FATED ONE, SAVIOR OF THE MONTELLIS, CAT'S EYE, MIGHTY GODKILLER, ETERNAL ALLY OF THE FIASLIAS, CHAMPION, HADRIAN THE FOURTH, APEX DUELER, WARRIOR, LAUREATE OF RAGUNNA, CHAMPION OF SEPITMONT, FAVORED GLADIATOR OF ARSINOSA, HONORED GUEST FROM AFAR, THE UNWRITTEN ONE, HERO OF HEROES, ROSEBEARER, YOUR GRACE, INITIATOR, HONORED ONE, HERALD OF HOPE, SENPAI, DARK LEGEND OF JUSTICE, CLASSMATE, THE DARK THUNDERBOLT, AND VOIDWORM RIDER ALPHA SIGMA MALE TOP G OMEGA OVERLORD INFINITY PLUS ULTRA MAX??!?!>THE ONE PROPHECISED TO SAVE THE WORLD SINGLEHANDEDLY?!??!!?>every man kneels>red carpet rolls out>trumpets play>"YOU ARE THE PROPHECISED HERO! THE GOD OVERLORD KING OF KINGS! YOU ARE TO SLAY THE BIG BAD EVIL GUY!">mentioned exactly once before>big bad appears>"HAHA!!! WE ARE EVIL AND WE ARE HERE TO *twirls moustache* DESTROY THE WORLD!!!!">beat them in 2 minutes>every woman undresses>"I HAVE LOVED YOU SINCE BEFORE THE VERY IDEA OF THIS UNIVERSE STARTED PLEASE FUCK ME RIGHT HERE AND NOW!">go to next region>never interact with previous cast again>rinse repeatquoth the storyfags>OOOOH THIS STORY IS SO HECEKRINO PEAK HE IS LITERALLY ME THIS IS JUST LIKE SOLO LEVELING
hey man, I liked being the all-important guy but then they stopped doing thatso I stopped playing their game
>>738915000Yeah that's what I figured. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>738914928Sound like some gay ass soapy anime shit lmao
>>738915067Chinkshill shit and piss their brain whenever someone post this>go to new place>meet new female character>find Chisa (Optional)>"OH MY GOD IS THAT ROVER-SAMA THE GOD EMPEROR CREATOR PUSSY WOMBSLAYER EARLY BITCOIN ADOPTER CHADGOD OF DESTRUCTION THE FIRST RESONATOR, THE FIRST INSTANCE, LORD ARBITER, ASTRAL MODULATOR, CHIEF STEWARD, FOUNDER AND LEADER OF THE BLACK SHORES, SAVIOR OF JINZHOU, STAR, DREAMWALKER, GUIDE OF CIVILIZATIONS, SEED OF FATE, MASTER, RIGHTEOUS ONE, FATED ONE, SAVIOR OF THE MONTELLIS, CAT'S EYE, MIGHTY GODKILLER, ETERNAL ALLY OF THE FIASLIAS, CHAMPION, HADRIAN THE FOURTH, APEX DUELER, WARRIOR, LAUREATE OF RAGUNNA, CHAMPION OF SEPITMONT, FAVORED GLADIATOR OF ARSINOSA, HONORED GUEST FROM AFAR, THE UNWRITTEN ONE, HERO OF HEROES, ROSEBEARER, YOUR GRACE, INITIATOR, HONORED ONE, HERALD OF HOPE, SENPAI, DARK LEGEND OF JUSTICE, CLASSMATE, THE DARK THUNDERBOLT, AND VOIDWORM RIDER ALPHA SIGMA MALE TOP G OMEGA OVERLORD INFINITY PLUS ULTRA MAX??!?!>THE ONE PROPHECISED TO SAVE THE WORLD SINGLEHANDEDLY?!??!!?>every man kneels>red carpet rolls out>trumpets play>"YOU ARE THE PROPHECISED HERO! THE GOD OVERLORD KING OF KINGS! YOU ARE TO SLAY THE BIG BAD EVIL GUY!">mentioned exactly once before>big bad appears>"HAHA!!! WE ARE EVIL AND WE ARE HERE TO *twirls moustache* DESTROY THE WORLD!!!!">beat them in 2 minutes>every woman undresses>"I HAVE LOVED YOU SINCE BEFORE THE VERY IDEA OF THIS UNIVERSE STARTED PLEASE FUCK ME RIGHT HERE AND NOW!">go to next region>never interact with previous cast again>rinse repeatquoth the storyfags>OOOOH THIS STORY IS SO HECEKRINO PEAK HE IS LITERALLY ME THIS IS JUST LIKE SOLO LEVELING
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>>738915084Bad look lil bro, since the same awards show turned a vote outside of corporate background deals and Wuwa pulled a surprise upset as the player's choice.
>>738915128Holy fucking kino! I will now buy your game!
>>738913538>What are you on about?The people who play these games know, the people who don't, have no idea.
>>738915128Nice echo chamber. The protagonist praise is nothing like that, there have only been a handful of actual romantic nods and everything else is just incels projecting. As for the rest, do you have an issue with competent protagonists? Master Chief is too good at solving issues, halo sucks! How did these high school kids kill God? It's just a Joker kind of thing to do! You're the pale blood hunter? Here's decades of bullshit for you to fix, you're the chosen one!Writing a pathetic failure for an MC isn't just hard, it's usually retarded unless you can glaze them up believably real fast (Vinland Saga, looking at you Canute) or with real weight. No one wants to play your role in life anon. Probably not even you.
>>738913538>>738913595He means that the dialogue in the better gacha games isn't totally stilted or in fake film mode all the time. It's a conversation. This is especially the case in ZZZ and Wuwa where there's a blend between essentially "diegetic" conversation and the visual novel schematic.In probably the best current example is Wuwa's Aemeath. Not only did the main story do her justice, but there was a ton of detail shoved literally into the game world about her if you cared to find it. But, I think it's hard to overstate the overall Aemeath presentation so that's ultimately unfair -- she's a fluke at this point. A more realistic example from the same game would be Luuk. Terrible sales, way outside his mandatory glaze period, but he still carries the plot often and has a massive supporting role. The conversations with him are human and clearly motivated. It's so much better than, say, Monster Hunter Wilds where Alma is literally "other cultures are so cool, you should save the precious savages!" without exception but she's still got the most voice lines in the whole game.
>>738915438Didn't Rover canonically fugg Lupa and Cantarella? Probably frog too.
>chink slop>ai slop>gacha slopholy hell
>>738915997It's not confirmed but there's a realistic implication for both. Frog's diary implies she and Rover traveled together for a little while but parted ways before she finished her piece, and her attitude towards him would make more sense if they were romantically involved, but that's stretching it a little too close to shipper headcanon. Lupa and Cantarella got as close to an on screen fade to black while falling into each other in bed scene as I think the Chinese government would allow, and with the Amy backstory I think it's pretty solid reasoning to assume Rover isn't the virgin self insert many retards want him to be. So yeah, he very likely had sex with those two at least.
This is the kind of guy that "go read a book" applies to.
>>738879860I don't even really know what gatcha games are because I've never played one and don't really do microtransactions. Is Path of Exile 2 considered a gatcha game?
main and side quest are quite well done, very well varied with anomalies.Interesting setup for future updates, never thought i play this much fucking gacha game
>>738867485I ain't playing your sloppa
scared the shit outta me
>>738879860wasnt this the guy caught with a notepad with links to CP?
>>738916560I want to believe.
>>738874251BASED>>738901840also based. Board games and card games are probably the best way to go for gachas
>>738917556So?
>>738879860surprised nobody called him a nigger yetnice stream nigger
>>738919096He has that "likable nigger" kind of feel, you the ones that dont chimp out and shiii
AIIIEEEEE HOTORI IS AN ECONOMIC TERRORIST
>>738915161>player choice
>finished the main questsI liked most of them. Shits got style.
>>738913438>Gaming has evolved toward parasocial relationships with surrogate digital characters and only the chinese got the memo
>>738919992How so?
>>738919992>He liked chinkshit word vomitYou """people""" have no standarts
>>738920198Stylish? Just like how the anomaly locations can look, the lead up to the big boss fight. The cutscene fight looked nice.>>738920318>standarts
>>738903317I'm not so sure about that, we don't have enough characters to make that comparison but I like most of them in NTE, while Wuthering Wave's early characters are pretty fucking awful (for me)NTE has like 16 characters so far and I like 12 of them,Wuthering Waves has around 47 and I like 34A lot of Wuthering Waves characters come off as too overdesigned to meif this trend continues, NTE will have a higher like to dislike ratio on my part.Wuthering Waves plays better only because it's had years of powercreep and improvements,if you compare early characters in Wuwa to NTE:s current characters, they're clearly worse.Take for example the most mechanically advanced NTE characters,One can walk on walls, camera angle includedOther can stop time, and it is visually represented in the entire environmentIn early WuWa, the most mechanically advanced character was Camellya changing their melee form during her EIn current WuWa, the most mechanically advanced character must be Aemeath, who can turn in to a mech that can straight up fly with jets, but this is never utilized in combat and instead all you do is spam m1 m1 m1 m1 E m1 m1 m1 m1 Q when a button is glowing, just like any character in the game.Character swapping in WuWa doesn't feel as important as it does in NTE either, plus you only get to control 3 which desperately limits your build variety to 1 dps, 1 sub dps and 1 heal/support
>>738867485NTE is different enough to survive GTA6 as its a team based gacha as well, ananta though i worry about that game especially with how its based on where winds meet for cosmetics and weapons and its a GTA clone at the core of it
>>738913438So you're saying game with choices and consequences make chinkshill shit and piss themselves?
>>738920456>Just like how the anomaly locations can look, the lead up to the big boss fight. The cutscene fight looked niceSo like uhm every game? Post your example of stylish then?
>>738919992>one button smartphone combat>Shits got styleSure lol
>>738913438Here is your parasocial relationships with surrogate digital character, loser
I’m not vibing with the antique shop crew, even though the hag is hot. Are they going to be the main characters or are we going back with the feds?
>>738920942>that webmWtf, what happens if you play as a girl?
>>738920942Repeats this 1000 times to max your parasocial relationships with surrogate digital character meter lol
>>738920898This webm is a joke and doesn't represent the actual game at all.but that really makes me aware how these genshinlikes never do aimed attacks well except genshin alone, and even Genshin only does it well on a few characters.Why the fuck even introduce aim-mode if all it does is tickle the enemy? JUST to copy?At least Genshin has a purpose for it, like using it for various puzzles even if it was otherwise useless.WuWa realized how fucking stupid it is so all the latest gun users don't even get aim mode anymore, all they do is play like the other characters.Genshin Impact made weapons matter,Bow for aiming, charged attacks and ranged elemental applicationGreatsword for anti-shield Catalyst for pure element applicationMeanwhile what does WuWa do?nothingNo weapon type stands out or does anything better or worse, it all comes down to the character's kit and that's all
>>738920743Playing sengoku rance rn its so kino
>>738921241You get a gay nigger yuricuck award
>>738920743Of course, chink MC self insert must be perfect goody two shoes that does no wrong, everything need to be revolved around the MC
>>738921404He probably knows, but he's seeking attention.
>>738921404Wuwa combat is EVERY CHARACTERS CAN DO AOE WITH ALOT OF PARTICLE EFFECTS
>>738921576yeah, now they do, but it wasn't always like that.Wuthering Waves keeps making characters more complex but in the end all they do is have more mobility (damage avoidance) and wider area of effectit's honestly laughable, everytime they force you to play the "ULTRA POWERFUL ROVER", you see the hideous contrast and feel like you're fighting with your arms tied behind your back.Even the newest aero Rover is such a shitty character in comparison to anything else they've released in the last year, but the Spectro and Havoc one? They feel more boring to play than Genshin Impact's traveler's first element, which already was complex enough to have elemental reactions and a vaguely unique E skill.Meanwhile every Rover form is like "Press E to do instant shit-tier AoE damage - Cast ult to do instant shit.tier AoE damage"
>>738921821Playable gacha MC need to be like GBF when MC is actually important and on equal ground with gacha power creep characters
>>738921992NTE kinda does that, but in a specific waythe character's power is ability to perceive things true nature and interpret them better, so they're "valuable" even outside of combat.In combat, they're so-so, not awful at all, but definitely lacking depth.Their biggest benefit is the "instant cycle" ability that just let's them go in, press skill, and immediately allow party member combos (with applicable characters)Aside from that, he's just a basic DPS though
>>738921502Why do you sound so upset? Can't even answer the question directly.
>>738908812>>738915000>>738915128>spamming/flooding
>>738921992>Playable gacha MC need to be like GBF when MC is actually important and on equal ground with gacha power creep charactersThis. Gacha MC done right, not that gay flying Rover fucking shit
>>738922138Im not mad, yuricucks cant take a joke lmao just like women.
>>738922470Literally who? Imagine being so buttmad that you create an imaginary strawman in your head and start arguing with him. Can't make this shit up.
>>738922407Male Rover look like the lamest dude in his own game
