Why do retarded millenials get filtered so hard by open world games?
>>738868065Didn't readlove both games
>>738868065These people don't have opinions of their own, they just repeat what they think is an intellectual take that an essay youtuber would have. People who say shit like "Dark Souls 1 is better than Elden Ring because linear design is better than open world" don't actually believe the shit they're saying, they're just regurgitating an unoriginal opinion to an audience of equally unoriginal faggots who expect to hear that same opinion over and over because they've been conditioned by years of echochamber discourse and they want to fit in.The attempt to intellectualize videogame discussion was a fucking mistake. I'm so sick of idiots trying to sound intelligent.
>>738868065You'll understand when you're older little zoomzoom
>>738868065>why do True Gamers with good taste refuse to eat the open-world slop dogshit like me?Because I am superior to you, faggot.
>>738868537I will see your generation die out and I will piss on your grave.
>>738868065Millennials were the ones insisting that everything had to have a pointless open world in the ps3/360 era thoughever.
>>738868065>>738868685Every millenial argument against "zoomer game design" is just 40 year old boomers complaining about their aging brains and fingers being too slow to keep up with videogames>there's too much to do, i get overwhelmed>i don't know where to go, i don't wanna think, man>the combat is too fast, my reflexes aren't good enough>too many visual effects, it hurts my eyes>i'm burned out, maaaaaaanMaybe you should quit videogames and get your crusty decrepit ass in the nursing home to play bingo you geriatric fucks.
>>738868065>I only have 20 minutes to play because I am le father>I don't want to think about where to go, I just want to push W
>>738868685Fixed.
>>738868685But the consensus I've seen is that Nioh 2 is better than 3
>>738869464That is cute, saved.>>738869575That is correct, Nioh 2 is not in my picture, so not sure what your point is.
>>738869745Thanks.
>>738868065>''filtered''>by the most normalfag mass appeal game in the seriesWhy do zoomer niggers use words they don't know the meaning of?
>>738870003if you don't want to play something because it's popular then you got filtered in your own retarded way
>>738869745The games in each group are from completely different franchises, so it seems as if the games chosen to represent the faggot are representative of the entire series as well as the values of the people who enjoy them
>>738868065the open world would be far better if it was full of stuff, it's that simple. Don't make open worlds if they are empty with no quests, characters, shops, etc. Elden Ring is simply a bad game.
>>738870152I see, that is how some people could interpret the image yes, that wasn't my intention. I enjoyed Nioh 1 and 2 and hate Nioh 3. I hate open-world/"""FIELD""".
Elden ring would have been amazing if they actually went all out. Instead you get a checkpoint every 5 meters and an extra mandatory checkpoint before the bossfight. The game never builds any tension so you can just zone out, mash heals and spawn summons to rape everything
I dunno how you can play any Metal Gear Solid before V and say V is better. Everything about the older games where you are forced to play how the devs want you to play with curated boss battles and environments is so much better
>>738870190Wtf? there are literally quests and shops to find in elden ring you moron
>>738870321I haven't played Nioh 3 yet but I did see some of the intro and I thought it was really weird how they split up the weapons and the samurai/ninja/magic skills into completely separate classes that you switch between instead of being able to mix and match to create your own playstyle. They also locked away stances behind skills which seems really counter-intuitive, like they saw the complaints of "ki-pulse on dodge" not being a default ability and so they said "how can we do this again but worse?"
>>738869745It's YOU who's cute, you silly boy! :3
>>738869010
>>738870781fag
I'm so fucking sick of generation war slop threads.I also didn't read any of that, I liked both Elden Ring and DS1.
No millennials got filtered by elden ring it's the most casual souls game with bonfires every 5 steps and an instant "I win" button in the form of ash summons.
>>738868065Becuase they grew up with them and can identify why they are almost all complete shit. ER and BOTW are prime examples becuase they ruin everything good about their predessors.
>>738868065I'm a zoomer and I dislike open world because it means upwards of five minutes of nothing between every real bit of gameplay.Algorithmically generated skyrim quests and picking up crafting materials aren't meaningful gameplay.>inb4 durr hurr le attention spanI guess every movie would be better if it was twice as long and a five-minute still image were imposed between every scene, and if I don't like it, I have no attention span?Great works often require patience and engagement, but it's a poor work that wastes your time with literal nothing.
>>738870003They have to make shit up to cope relevancy and they can't even keep track of their own bullshitting, it's hilarious
>>738870647NUH UH, ELDEN DOGSHART RING IS OPEN WORLD TRASH DOGSHIT, REAL FROM GAMES LIKE LORDS OF THE FALLEN, ARMORED CORE AND SEKIRO HAVE TIGHT LINEAR SCRIPTED NON-DOGSHITTIFIED HAND-PLACED, ORGANIC, HOMEGROWN, MIYAZAKI-CURATED LEVEL DESIGN AND ENEMY PLACEMENT UNLIKE ELDEN DOGSHIT RING, WHICH IS JUST OPEN WORLD SLOPSHIT DOGSHART MIDSHIT, FROM SHOULD HAVE STUCK TO BESPOKE DOGSHITLESS SPIDER-WEB VERTICAL WORLD DESIGN LIKE BLOODBORNE AND DEMONS SOULS, THE TRUEST NON-DOGSHIT GAMES
I don't have a problem with open worlds as much as their standard design, low hanging fruit content that's designed to be found as conveniently as possible with no organic in world navigation. if someone created a game about venturing into the unknown with a compass and a rough map and plain spoken direction as your aid I would be intrigued.
>>738870779All of that is true and sucks, but what killed Nioh 3 for me was the open-world/field.
>>738868065Why do retarded millennials get filtered so hard by linear dense arcade kino?
>>738871006Millennials are too busy with Super Mario Bros Wonder anyway.
>>738871105Hey you left your caps-lock on while you were writing your blog or whatever
>>738871006>No millennials got filtered by elden ring it's the most casual souls game with bonfires every 5 steps and an instant "I win" button in the form of ash summons.Remember when /v/ tore Dark Souls 3 a new asshole for having 2 bonfires next to each other?ENTERElden DOGSHIT Ring (webm).LMAO.The fact that so many people on /v/ defend Elden DOGSHIT Ring should tell you more than enough: the majority of the old /v/ users are gone, most of these subhumans we communicate with are underage newcomers/tourists.
Because they value their time and want a concise game, the concept of wandering aimlessly for a dozen hours in a game is not a positive to them.Neither is grinding all day in the hopes that a drop will occur or a level being gained. MMO fags don't count, since they've always been cancer and they're type of cancer is the norm nowadays.There is a reason WoW was never big on /v/ until well after the takeover of redditors and social media fags, even when it was a cultural phenomenon and tv shows and cartoons were all referencing it /v/ didn't give a shit and had fairly low opinion of it and they're players.
>>738868428I had more fun playing DS1 than ER.And since I'm not brown like you, my opinion matters.
>>738868065Morrowind, Skyrim, and New Vegas(all modded) are the only good open-world games.Everything else is some shitty flavor of Ubishit, Survival-crafting slop, or a direct downgrade over the franchises linear action-adventure roots.
>>738871157This is what elden ring almost was, too bad they had to cater to the casuals and just let you teleport to every bonfire that are also right next to each other
>>738869010So... Ubisoft good?
>>738871405Yeah it's over, everyone here is an idiot now and nobody understands why the original games were so good
>>738871270You forget that the first souls game came out in 09 we've played them all from the beginning and making it bigger doesn't make it harder.
>>738868065never played either one of those, not a fan of souls games. also why is this board in particular obsessed with generations and over generalization based on confirmation bias?
>>738868065An open world is just an interactive level select filler with very low tree depth.It's just not interesting, especially when it's all just fields.Open world works when the content itself is very dense, like in Shadow of the Colossus, it doesn't work in a game like Elden Ring, where you could cut 60% of the content by volume and improve the game.>>738870190There is never a point to "filling an open world with stuff", because there is no cap to it, you can always fill it with more slop.You either spread too thin or you automate sloppa production until your automatic sloppa is too unappealing to play through.An open world is only good if it only has the good content in it and everything else is cut away.Elden Ring just has too much shit in it, it only needed the legacy dungeons aka the actual levels, none of the mines and catacombs and squid testicle side quest shit.There is no point to having 10 mines that all have the exact same tileset and all have you descend the SAME mineshaft with the "jump off midway" elevator gimmick, it's just padding.
>>738869464Based and correct.
>>738873704Thank you.
>>738871029RPG stands for role-playing game. You play the role of a character in an adventure, and that adventure has uptimes and downtimes. If you are not interested in immersion and roleplaying and all you want is constant buttonmashing then go play some arcade game where you get non-stop gameplay and fuck off.
>>738873615>Open world works when the content itself is very dense, like in Shadow of the Colossuswhat the fuck am i reading
>>738868065amazing thread
>>738868065Retarded millennials grew up on really shitty console games, especially the 3D Zelda games, so they think that any openness and exploration is bad and they want a "curated experience" which really means railroaded trash. That said, Elden Ring sucks.
>>738868065100% correct
>>738871405>Bonfire before boss>bonfire in boss arena after boss is defeated>bonfire at the start of a new area past bossNot seeing the problem here
>>738868065nobody's getting "filtered," open world games almost universally suck because there are a handful of interesting locations and the rest is boring slop with the same dozen-odd enemies copy/pasted everywherepretty vistas and generic quests blow your tits off the first few times you experience them, but you can't turn off basic pattern recognitionanybody over the age of 15 who still likes open world is genuinely retarded
>>738868428You spend 3 paragraphs to say>these people are all stupid and if they disagree with me they are just regurgitating unoriginal opinions and are dumb
>>738869464>removed faggotFaggot.
>>738874743>so they think that any openness and exploration is badRunning around in a boring, empty, time wasting, worthless open-world holding 1 button is not GAMEPLAY or EXPLORATION, it is time wasting and a mental illness.Open-world is a dogshit genre, kill yourself.
>>738875006>Elden DOGSHIT Ring subhuman newcomer tourist can't even count to 4 properlyYou literally can't make this shit up.
>>738876764Oops, sorry, I forgot to include the last bonfire past a bunch of locked doors you don't unlock until later in the game.
>>738876764What are you talking about bro, there's only two graces in that video. I think you're confused, Elden God-Tier Ring is perfectly structured, hand-curated, and holistically cohesive.
>>738876960>past a bunch of locked doors you don't unlock until later in the game.Stop talking out of your ass.
>>738877220>there's only two graces in that videoMentally ill Elden DOGSHIT Ring samefag, neck yourself.
>>738868428>don't actually believe the shit they're saying, they're just regurgitating an unoriginal opinion to an audience of equally unoriginal faggots who expect to hear that same opinion over and over because they've been conditioned by years of echochamber discourse and they want to fit into be fair, this applies to all internet discourse regardless of subject
>>738877481You didn't play the game
>>738868065So you just didn't read the image you posted or?
>>738877538Dude, on second viewing, I realised there's only one grace in that video, damn, Elden God-Tier Ring is just downright unassailable at this point. I suppose it's just inevitable given Elden God-Tier Ring's heavily curated and tightly designed open world exploration due to looping level design, more dev resources to focus on varied levels, and success at emulating the feeling of a dangerous journey. I suppose in the previous games like Dogshit Souls 1 and Blooddogshit, the pacing was just always a complete mess, with an over-reliance on trash design and a shallow game loop. I suppose that's why Dogshit Souls and Dogshitkiro will always fail in comparison to Elden God-Tier Ring, because they are just fundamentally disposable, instantly forgotten experiences instead of tight, non-linear branching and heavily curated 'epic adventure'-designed experiences like which can only be found in Elden God-Tier Ring, a game that offers more replayability that players will cherish, discuss, and remember for years.
>>738871469>and since im a tranny/pedophile my opinion mattersnope
>>738876712Open world isn't a genre, and you're a retarded monkey who knows nothing about games. Bad open world games with shallow mechanics existing doesn't mean they're all bad. Anyone who gets mad at all open world games and thinks they're all ubisoft shit is a subhuman. No exceptions.
>>738868065We didn't grow up playing games with empty wasted space thinking it was good game design
>>738868065left is shit though
>>738877824I did.
>>738878009Mentally ill Elden DOGSHIT Ring secondary/tourist/newcomer/normalfag, you are cringe. Stop copying me, be original and be yourself.
? Open world games were popularized by millennials.
>>738878152>Open world isn't a genreIt is. It is one of the 3 big cancers. By making your game an open-world, you automatically get massive sales, normalfags love open-world games. You are clueless and out of touch.>Bad open world games99.99% of all open-world games are bad.
>>738868065Why do you get filtered so hard by millennials?
>>738868065zoomers will eat dog poop to spite millennials
>>738878643>It isWrong. That's like saying first person is a genre, or stage select is a genre.>99.99% of all open-world games are bad.Wrong again. It's obvious that you think all open world games are either Morrowind which you'll pretend is the one good concession despite not having played it, and then 2010s ubisoft style games which you also don't play. You're an ignorant monkey and the console games you grew up on were bad.
>>738868685While I agree with your statement, using Fujotsu Gaysen makes you a faggot.
>>738878362Prove it.
The open world was a good idea, but I'm guessing they ran out of time to fill these areas with meaningful things. This is very obvious in the DLC finger areas. You can see them try to break the emptiness somewhat with those roaming furnace giants, but they gotta do better than that in the next game.
>>738868065Because open world games all devolve into a chore simulator, where you just go around the map checking off a list of "points of interest" to clean up. If they don't turn into that then they turn into retard amusement parks like GTA where the "fun" is hue-ing at mindless NPCs as you shoot them for 3 hours and nothing fucking happens.
>>738868065Never thought I'd ever get to the point of actually agreeing with retarded millenialsOpen world games appeal to greatness and to man's dominion over nature and life, but they NEVER EVER EVER in the entire history of open world games delivered to this premise.Furthermore, if you want to conquer mountains then go do it irl instead of wasting that time in a game you retarded nigger
>>738879073>Wrong. That's like saying first person is a genre, or stage select is a genre.Does making a game first person automatically give you massive sales? or stage select? No.Open-world does, because open-world has become a genre, you are out of touch.>Wrong again. It's obvious that you think all open world games are either Morrowind which you'll pretend is the one good concession despite not having played it, and then 2010s ubisoft style games which you also don't play. You're an ignorant monkey and the console games you grew up on were bad.Nope, I am 100% correct. 99.99% of all open-world games are garbage, including Morrowind. I am not going to tell you which open-world game is good.
For me, the biggest problem of open world games is the fucked up balance of the experience because devs can't plan with precision in what order you will do things.Take a game like The Witcher 3, for example, the game has many quests where the recommended level is 20-25, however if you were to do them all you would for sure end-up doing some of them while overleveled, thus raping the challenge and the balance of the game.In the case of Elden Ring, for me Caelid was by far the most challenging area, because i did it early. After Caelid i got very strong, and raped the rest of the game. Only at the very last map i felt challenged again, and the very last map is balanced around you having done everything else, because the devs know that you can only go there after everything else.
I just don't understand what the point of the open world in Elden Ring is. It's the same as any of the other games, just stretched wide and thinned out for it. It's not like areas have enough encounter variety to make up for it.
>>738870510Some people like actual gameplay mechanics instead of playing a glorified movie.
>>738881870some devs just include the open world as a justification to charge more money for it, or just to say they have it
>>738881110>a genre is something that guarantees salesWhat an impossibly fucking stupid thing to say.>Nope, I am 100% correct.Wrong, and you don't play video games except for the shitty ones you grew up with.
>>738868685Lies of P isn't open world, retard
>>738884207>Lies of P isn't open world, retardNever said it was, retard.
>>738884046>What an impossibly fucking stupid thing to say.It is a very intelligent to say. You have a low IQ and are out of touch, that is why you can't comrpehend it.>Wrong, and you don't play video games except for the shitty ones you grew up with.Stop projecting. I play good games.
>>738871405>Elden DOGSHIT Ringwelp, this thread is ruined
>>738868065Because they don't like to make decisions without being told or until a group vote is held.
>>738868428>These people don't have opinions of their own, they just repeat what they think is an intellectual take that an essay youtuber would have.you just decribed /v/
>>738868065>THESE HALLWAYS ARE OPEN WORLD THEY ARE THEY ARE THEY ARE AAAAAAAAALol nips got filtered.
>>738884682Read your post again, double retardToo stupid to admit you didnt even play the game
>>738885261>Read your post again, double retardShow me where I said that Lies of Piss is an open-world game, you low IQ son of a whore. Your whore mother should be tortured to death for not aborting you when she had the chance.
>>738884759>comrpehendA valiant effort given your room temperature IQ, but you've lost.
>>738885547My IQ is in the top 1% of the world population, mensa certified. Don't be envious you low IQ subhuman.
>>738871405>make game better with no downside>zoomers whine about itThis is why you're the Enshittification Generation. Literally all of your arguments boil down to either "WAAAAHHHH THEY MADE THING BETTER AND THAT'S BAD" or "THEY MADE SOMETHING MARKEDLY WORSE SO NOW IT'S GOOD YAY!"You are brick dumb destructive contrarian faggotsstabbing at the ankles of your betters because you're asspained that you could never be anything but an impotent total loser.
>>738885621>My IQ is in the top 1% of the world populationTop 1% of countries below the equator, maybe.
>>738885623>>zoomers whine about itzoomers love Elden DOGSHIT Ring, lol. You are the zoomer, you low IQ subhuman son of a whore secondary newcomer tourist normalfag. Your whore mother should be raped and tortured to death for not aborting you when she had the chance.
>>738885665>Doesn't know what menssa certified is.Lmao, typical low IQ subhuman.
>>738868685All I see is the word "Faggot" listed twice
Elden Ring has the best moment-to-moment gameplay of any souls, but is hurt by the open world and FP/memory lockets. If it had been a normal souls with a much larger scope and brought back attunement, it would have been way better>b-but ashes of war!Make them charges based off endurance or something. Maybe split equip load off from endurance>But mana bar and pots are better!No they aren't. Das 2 did it right, where attunement gave you more slots and more charges. Charges balanced miracles and sorcery to have completely different roles. In ER there's literally no point to not make a hybrid build of some kind because you always get full attunement slots and fp is a non issue
Elden ring has such an unbelievable attention to detail in its archeology it's insane. Even filigree you'd think are just some generic designs lifted from google image search and plopped into the game are detailed with a purpose to them.
>>738886054>Elden Ring has the best moment-to-moment gameplay of any soulsNo it doesn't. Tanimura games play like shit.
>>738868065Millennials love open world slop. Why have zoomers been proven to be lower IQ than Millennials?
>>738868065Nobody is "filtered" by open-world "games" because that's impossible by design. They are slop made specifically for the lowest common denominator.
>>738868685>Puts good and shit games in both categories for maximum rage bait.Finely crafted bait.
Everyone who uses the word slop is a braindead monkey with nothing of worth to say about video games who is incapable of articulating a real thought. None of them play good games despite desperately pretending to be connoisseurs. There are no exceptions to this rule, and if it upsets you, you're brown.
>>738868065You were raped by Millenials
Fixed OP's chart
>>738886145>Why have zoomers been proven to be lower IQ than Millennials?Zainichi browns
You play enough of them, and you realise they're really boring games, that are almost never as good as a straight up well crafted adventure. >"You can go anywhere!" Which actually means we sunk all of out time into crafting 50 really mediocre dungeons, instead of 5 good ones.
>>738868701from where, the alleyway you sleep in? Jobless homeless student debt ridden broccoli haired FAGGOT
>>738869010How about play a game where you actually have to explore, instead of one where they mark the destination on the map?
>>738886967Okay but your favorite Zelda game is still shit.
>>738868065Because they're a waste of my time. I want to play a game, not run around in an empty world.
>>738868428You said a whole lot of nothing.
>>738887250It isn't, in fact.And Demons' Souls and Dark Souls are better than Elden Ring.
open world >>> murder hallwaythe old design is not good, i remember the 90s and its vastly overrated by zooms who were not therethere is a reason game design moved away from it: it is boring
>>738887351Dark Souls is a game from 2010, not the 90's.
>>738887350>And Demons' Souls and Dark Souls are better than Elden RingBased
>>738886774slop game, slop post, slop person.
>>738887420I'm afraid it is. It's not good because you played it at an impressionable age.
>>738886774Using a lot of words doesn't make you smart, it just means you have a decent memory. Now, can you remind me how many countries jews have been kicked from?
>>738887351YEAH MAN EVERYTHING POPULAR IS GOOD.THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE VERY INTELLIGENT.AGREE? DOESN'T MATTER, MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WOULD AGREE MAKING ME CORRECT.MY SALES NUMBERS ARE BIGGER THAN YOURS.
>>738887402murder hallways, which dark souls 1 employs, is a common game trope that began since game development started and was used heavily in 90s RPGs and other genresplease use your brain before posting next time
>>738887351The first 2 God of War games were 90% kill hallways and are still more fun than their modern counterparts. You're retarded
>>738887586false equivalency, why are you mad?
>>738887591Open world games existed in the 80's. It's called Ultima.
>>738887618that's because the modern counterparts are still murder hallways, they just removed the murder and replaced it with cinematics filled with leftist ideologies, it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand
What's insane is corridorfags claiming that Elden Ring has LESS replayability than previous Fromsoft games.How the fuck is playing the same linear corridors in the same order one after the other over and over more replayable than an open world that you can approach in any order you want.
>>738887681....yes? what's your point?
hard to say i play older souls games more than elden ring
say what you will about Elden Ring but man, no game has ever and likely will ever for quite some time match the quality of landmarks in the distance that you can actually go to. the visual quality of distant structures is really impressive
>>738887669BEING ANGRY AT RETARDS IS MORALLY CORRECT AND USED TO BE THE DEFAULT.THEN YOU FUCKING KIKES PULLED A PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATION TURNING EVERYONE INTO NONCHALANT GOOFY SHEEP WITHOUT PASSION OR PROTEST.YOU CAN CALL IT FALSE EQUIVALENCY ALL YOU LIKE, OPEN WORLDS ARE DOGSHIT COMPARED TO AN ACTUAL DESIGNED LEVEL.
>>738887801i havent touched any old souls games after beating it once other than bloodborne and elden ring, they're a slog to get through
>>738868065imagine thinking anyone is reading that
>>738868065because millennials typically have less time or energy to spend on games and open world games tend to be extremely long?
>>738887852>OPEN WORLDS ARE DOGSHIT COMPARED TO AN ACTUAL DESIGNED LEVELthese aren't mutually exclusive things, retard
>>738887795trying to paint this as 90's design vs modern design only makes sense if you're unironically a zoomer.When do you think Elder Scrolls started? or GTA? Fallout? Balder's Gate?
>>738887767game design
>>738887959YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, PRETENDING TO BE CLUELESS DOESN'T MAKE ME THE RETARD YOU FUCKING MORON.
>>738868065>subpar dungeonStormveil Castle is just as well designed as anything from the Dark Souls games. All the legacy dungeons in ER are Dark Souls 1 quality.
>>738869010i love that your ego is so fragile it shatters because someone has a preference that doesn't align with yours. not preferring open world games doesn't mean i'm against them being made lmao
>>738887954I have all the time in the world. I'm just less impressed by bloat, because GTA3 came out 25 years ago, and I've seen it all.
>>738868685>I've played all of theseDoes the make me a true faggot gaymer?
>>738887984im using the 90s as an era where murder hallways were a popular choice, not that its exclusive to a given decade>>738887984>When do you think Elder Scrolls started? or GTA? Fallout? Balder's Gate?you mean the titles that all moved away from linear level design of their own accord? i wonder why they did that
>>738888023This is true. The biggest problem Elden Ring has is most of its bosses are shit. It's goofy the kind of crap they get away with. The actual legacy dungeons are good and the open world is beautiful to look at but I can take or leave it.The crafting is also worthless.
>>738888083There's literally nothing wrong with "murder hallways">dude, I want everywhere to be a big open field, so I can simply walk around the enemy.
Open worlds were novelty until they weren't.They're just not impressing me with this shit, after 20 years. Yes, I spent a period of months living in Fallout 3. No, I don't want to do it again. My memory is that almost all of that game was bad, actually. And the best parts were highly scripted.
>game uses well-crafted verticality, item descriptions, NPC quests, maps, illusory walls, visual queues, lighting, roads, tunnels, landmarks, and other mechanisms to guide the player on a large adventure that they can pick which directed path to take as they please>/v/ constantly compares this experience to some proc-gen dotted map as if it was a minecraft structures mod and gets mad over an experience that doesn't existits amazing how much seethe this game causes almost half a decade later and yet clearly none of these retards have ever played the game
>>738885475I would but you're too retarded to get it since you didn't even understand your own post, triple retard. It's also fairly obvious you are socially handicapped considering how mad you're getting ober this.Lies of P > sekiro btw
>>738878135Nice projection
>>738888341>its amazing how much seethe this game causes1. It's japanese2. It has some sly anti-jew content (like most JRPGs these days)3. It's popular.Triply whammy for an army of paid "influencers" to call the game bad.
>>738887351>there is a reason game design moved away from itBecause it's easier for nu-devs to churn games out on autopilot when they don't have to put any thought into things like satisfying level design. And also because the open world gimmick makes it easier to advertise the game to credulous dopes like you.
>>738888023>All the legacy dungeons in ER are Dark Souls 1 qualityGiga cope. Raya Lucaria sucks ass and is too short.
>>738888509see:>>738888341
>>738888341All /v/ can do is invent generalizations and judge one game by their bad experience playing a different game.
>>738888515lucaria is one of the worst legacy dungeons in the game and it is miles better than any area in DS1 in both atmosphere and level design
>>738888509Please list a few games you think have good level design.
>>738888076It makes you confused. Either be a faggot or be a True Gamer.
Any From game before Bloodborne sucks ass and is not worth your time.
>>738888453>I would but you're too retarded to get it since you didn't even understand your own postNo, you woudln't, because I said no such a thing. You are low IQ.
>738888697that is some pretty bad bait.
>>738888497>they worship a literal jewish demonWhy are anti-Jews so low IQ and retarded?
>>738888631Rocket Knight Adventures. More or less every screen is a fun challenge or set-piece. All fun, and no time wasting.
>>738888831i truly believe this, the combat in ds1 was so god awful i dropped it 5 hours in
>>738888628Nah. The only good legacy dungeon in Elden Ring is Leyndell and everything below it. The rest of the game is mid.Sen''s Funhouse mogs everything in Elden Ring except for Leyndel and everything below it.
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>>738887738Okay Mr smartypants, what would a character action game like DMC or GoW benefit from open world design over linear encounters?
>>738887801Open World games are cool for the first playthrough but then get super tedious when you want to replay them. You have to do some autistic routing speedrun shit instead of just playing the game more linearly unless you want to be bogged down with all the open world filler content.
the tortanicfags never recovered from this post, even ~5 years later
>>738888974Typical Elden DOGSHIT Ring secondary.
>>738868065Filtered is not an argument.You've just been raised to enjoy doing retarded chores and sloppa copypaste content because 'more = better!!'
>>738887351yeah bro i love empty fields with the same enemies full of crafting materialsthe actual interesting POIs with the bosses? who cares about that lolllllzoomers are actual subhumans
>>738889132never read more butthurt cope in a post than i have your post here and now in this thread>>738888341
Elden mid...worst From game ever...
>>738868065Although I enjoyed Elden Ring, I only wanted it as a fun variant on souls. I want them to return to a dark souls 1 or 2 style game, with a focus on exploration within a mazelike dungeon or zone, enemies, and loot in well crafted little areas.
>>738889029based and savedfuck ds1boomers
>>738888631>asked for a few games with good level design>list one sidescrollerExcellent effort.
>>738888986The only good dungeon was Stormveil. The sewers were shit.
>>738889393>I want them to return to a dark souls 1 or 2 style game, with a focus on exploration within a mazelike dungeon or zone, enemies, and loot in well crafted little areas.That will never happen. Elden Ring killed Souls for good.
>>738889726>The sewers were shit.Typical Elden DOGSHIT Ring subhuman. Leyndell and everything below it was the only part of the game which felt like previous Souls games. Of course you disliked the Sewers, which was the best part of Elden DOGSHIT Ring, with its ingenious labyrinthine design.Kill yourself Elden DOGSHIT Ring open-world subhuman.
>>738888873>Why are anti-Jews so low IQ and retarded?Literally anyone can just google what Shabriri is. Not sure why I'm the one being called retarded when you can't even provide the most limp-wristed denial.
>>738888873Namecalling is not an argument shlomo
>>738889904You are a low IQ retard. You didn't even read what the picture you posted says. Merchants don't worship Shabriri.
>>738889916Accurately describing somebody is not namecalling. Don't post low IQ retarded shit if you don't want to be called low IQ retard.
>>738890037>doubling down on namecalling when called out for namecallingCome on goldstein, you can do better than that! We know youre masters of gaslighting and manipulation, do the dance for us!
>>738889854Actually, I hated Elden Ring. And that includes the shitty dungeon that you're trying to defend because you're too much of a retarded semen-slurping shitskin to understand what good level design is, so you just default to (incorrectly) thinking that a lot of winding paths is inherently good.
>>738868065Open world slop has singlehandedly literally done more damage to video games than women, blacks, Indians, gays, or even trannies obsessed with retarded politics instead of gameplay combined. Kill yourself.
zoomers be like>yo this open world shi be bussin fr>i love holding left stick forward for 15 minutes straight bruh>i get so hype af bruh when i find my millionth red arteria leaf >learning maps is gay as fuck bruh i dont wanna learn shortcuts or nothing thats gay as hell bruh just lemme fast travel bruh>ay where all the graces at why dont they put graces befo the boss thats cringe af bruh
>>738889976They literally summoned him and you're calling me retarded over something as pretty as that?
>>738883556As opposed to a game where you can play it "your way" aka sniping enemies from a mile away with no challenge whatsoever
>>738890158>Come on goldstein, you can do better than that!I don't think they can. Jews only have as much as they do today because of taking advantage of 80 years worth of pity and now we're done with it.
>>738887912>weighting koroks the same as dungeonsSo you agree that an overwhelming majority of OoT's content is Skulltulas and it's an objectively shit game for it?
>>738888341Biggest pile of shit post in the thread. The game has a fucking bread crumb trail on the map.
>>738890213>They literally summoned himThey didn't. You don't know what you are talking about.
>>738889029Fromdrones actually never recovered from this. ER was shit, but it had nothing to do with it being open world.
>>738868428>People who say shit like "Dark Souls 1 is better than Elden Ring because linear design is better than open world"I didn't say it's better, I'm not a game journalist, I said I prefer it which is all that matters
>>738890158I am not Jewish. I stand by my previous comment, if you behave like a low IQ retard, I will call you a low IQ retard.>>738890362>and now we're done with it.Nothing will change. Jews will continue to succeed while you anti-Jews will continue to lose.
>>738868065The only fun i had in Elden Ring was invading and using the jar cannon in PvP to shoot people in the back after dropping a shiny object besides a cliff.
>>738890192>Actually, I hated Elden Ring.Cool. I also hate Elden DOGSHIT Ring.>And that includes the shitty dungeon that you're trying to defend because you're too much of a retarded semen-slurping shitskin to understand what good level design is, so you just default to (incorrectly) thinking that a lot of winding paths is inherently good.The problem with Elden DOGSHIT Ring is the open-world slop nature.Leyndell and everything below it is peak FromSoftware design.
>>738868065Quintessential millennial “open world” games:>Zelda OoT>Starfox 64>Pokemon generations 1-3Quintessential zoomer “open world” games:>Minecraft>FNAF>FortniteNow tell me which of these has the better sense of progression and storytelling by combining player choice with thoughtful game dev design.
>>738888631>Spoonfeed me so I can call them all shit!No. Play more games that don't say Ubisoft on the cover.
>>738890206based image, saved.
>>738888509
>>738868065open world games are for people with adhd
>>738868065>words words wordsLeftist meme or autism?
>>738890476>"This isn't an open world problem">Proceeds to rattle off a list of the exact same things that are shit in every open world "game"
>>738870003What a retarded post
>>738890206Right map is unironically betterI enjoy traveling, I enjoy open spaces, I enjoy looking at the horizon and seeing places to go, and I enjoy randomly finding scattered landmarks and treasure inbetween. Cope and seethe linearcuck.
lollmao
>>738890664>FNAF>Fortnite>open worldenough internet for today, let's get you to bed grandpa
>>738890664Not a single game listed there has good level design or progression.
If you have to include a detailed map, clock, compass, mystical crack to point you in the right direction, and a magic horse to get there in less than 3 business days it's a design failure. Cut the bloat and you don't need any of that
>>738890701>Play more games that don't say Ubisoft on the cover.The last Ubisoft game I played was the third PoP game on the PS2. I play more old games than you do. I just recognize retarded niggers pretending they know what good games are despite not actually playing games. The number one sign is inane bitching about "Ubisoft open world games" when they aren't actually talking about a Ubisoft style game.
>>738890893>Proceeds to rattle off a list of the exact same things that are shit in every open world "game"If you're not going to read the image, then don't pretend you read the image. Nothing there applies to open world games as a whole, and another open world game is even given as a point of comparison for things done well.
>Millennial Derangement Syndrome
>>738887351Corridor games were already outdated by the 90’s. The first game I ever played that gave the player a choice between different levels and approaches to win was DuckTales: The Quest for Gold from 1990 on MS-DOS. Other games existed even before that. The first game that modern audiences would describe as “open world” was probably Myst from 1993.
>>738891817>The first game that modern audiences would describe as “open world” was probably Myst from 1993.Ultima games were open world in the 80s. If you want to stretch it, Akalabeth was 1979.
>>738891129(you), since youre desperate.
>>738870190>>738871029>>738873615The appeal of those wide, open areas with nothing in them is that they are wide, open areas with nothing in them. There's not a problem needing to be solved here. The only one with a problem is you guys. You don't like games like this. That's fine. Don't play them. But the people who like open world games like the fact they have empty wilderness like that. They intentionally play open world games for that very reason. You're not offering solutions to make their games better, you're offering solutions to make the games they like worse so you'll like them instead. Why? Go play something else.
>>738868428You sound like a NPC.
>>738871469>>738888473Indian people aren’t white ranjeet
>>738868065Why do zoomers use buzzwords that mean nothing instead of expressing ideas and presenting rational arguments?
>>738868065Because an open world which you can't interact with is nothing but an interactive loading screen.
>>738892637Replies aren't currency here, redditor.
>>738868428>People who say shit like "Dark Souls 1 is better than Elden Ring because linear design is better than open world" don't actually believe the shit they're saying,What a stupid fucking post. The projection is off the charts.
>>738892690Spiritually brown people don't understand things like wanderlust or scale. If you have to run in one direction for more than 30 seconds to reach "curated crafted content" they get angry.
>>738869010>zoomer too stupid to understand pacingEvery time
>>738874743Open worlds are antithetical to exploration.
>>738868065They're long and more boring than smaller and more focused games. Grinding is addictive garbage.
>>738893319Wrong. Your meaningless blanket statements will not change that, nor will it make the shitty games you grew up on ones that have good exploration.
>OFFICIAL Demon's Souls to Elden Ring Era RankingsDark Souls 1 > Bloodborne > Demon's Souls >>>>> Dark Souls 3 > Elden Ring > Dark Souls 2FINAL rankings are locked in. THE END.
>>738893402Dumb zoomer, open worlds are always shit for exploration because there is literally nothing interesting to find because it's all the exact same Ubisoft checklist design that fundamentally feels the exact same as every other thing you could find. Nothing in Elden Ring is genuinely unique. Everything is some copy/paste of another thing. Nothing is exiting about exploring in Elden Ring. It's just tedious. The closest it gets to good exploration is stuff like Mogh's blood palace and the who underground areas cause they feel new until you realize they're just the exact same as the previous open world but on a smaller scale.
>>738893549>Dumb zoomerI'm 36. I just didn't play shit games as a kid.>open worlds are always shit for exploration because there is literally nothing interesting to find because it's all the exact same Ubisoft checklistYou're a retarded shit eating nigger and were a tendie growing up. Your opinions are invalid. You also don't actually play video games.>Everything is some copy/paste of another thing. List 3 of your favorite games that are good at exploration that don't copy paste things or have "checklist content" and tedium. You won't because you can't, because you know if you actually try arguing about specifics in games, you'll fall flat on your face.
>>738893631Bloodborne, Dark Souls 1, Sekiro wow that was fucking difficult.
>>738893670I love farming blood gems, fighting reused bosses and black knights for weapons, and fighting 7 headless for shitty rewards.
>>738893782Like every dumb zoomer(you're obviously not 36) you just make shit up about games you haven't played.
>>738893870Sorry faggot, but I was born in 1990 and I played every single one of those games when they came out. BB and Sekiro I've played many, many times.
Open world is just boring
>>738893549>because there is literally nothing interesting to find because it's all the exact same Ubisoft checklistThis doesn't mean anything. You don't have anything of substance to critique, just outrageous blanket generalisations because you love to be mad about shit you made up in your head.
>>738892707You don't have to sign your posts on this website
>>738894057>I'm too stupid to understand the point so you're not saying anythingNever respond to me again
>>738894361A blanket statement about games you don't play is not a point. It will never be a point. Ubisoft games have checklists. Other games literally do not, and pretending they do makes you a fucking retard who should kill himself immediately.
>durrr there's nothing to do durrrr the map is empty durrrrr Really? There's nothing to do in Limgrave? There are no enemies to fight, no bosses to defeat, no items to loot, no landscapes to explore, no dungeons to complete, no evergaols to clear, no NPC quests to follow, nothing? And that's just Limgrave, what about the rest of the game? Elden Ring literally has MORE content, unique content, than any previous Fromsoft game, and all of it is possible thanks to its open world design. It's longer, bigger, deeper, has more enemies, more build variety, and more replayability than your beloved Dark Souls 1. But there's "nothing to do" because it's open world. Your worthless hyperbolic "arguments" instantly fall apart at the slightest bit of scrutiny.
>>738868685>AC6>true gamerDolls Nest is the real AC6.
>>738893110If I'm playing a game, I want to play the game. Not sit through hours of a "wanderlust simulator" that, unless you live in a shithole city (which I'm guessing you do), will always be inferior to going outside.
>>738894912>you think exploring is fun? >well books or games about adventure are gay and you should go outside!I'm not brown, so I do all of those things.
>type two paragraphs of concise text>"ayo unc aint noone readin all dat">make a 5 hours rambling youtube essay>2M views
>>738894545That's incorrect, Elden Ring in its entirety has exactly the same amount of content as Blighttown, but spread across an exhausted and dishonest world of false impressiveness. It is boundless wanton Ubisoft slop to an almost sublime degree of mercantile plebian dogshittery. Elden Ring has no authorial oversight, no thematic objective, and no developmental goals. There is no structured ordering of communicative sensibilities, nor a layered stratification of interpretive game design tenets. Elden Ring at an abstract level is simply nothing, as all open worlds are and can only ever be. There is no underlying game philosophy in Elden Ring other than big protracted listless open planes with myriad slop fiesta Ubisoft tower bandit villages and unhandcrafted rocks to bound senselessly across like tadpoles skinned alive and tossed against the blazing edge of a molten razor. Elden Ring has no soul, no atmosphere, and no intent. It is the unconscious, blank, and purely reflexive mind of a toddler manifested in video-game form, a disparate medley, a videogame idea-salad.
>>738868065They don't understand the concept of freedom since they're american wage slaves. You don't have to do a lot of the content in elden ring if you don't want to. you can even do them later.
>>738895439>It is boundless wanton Ubisoft slop to an almost sublime degree of mercantile plebian dogshittery.You're genuinely too stupid to understand what Ubisoft design is or why people hate it. ER sucks, but it's absolutely not a Ubisoft style game.
yooo
>>738895773>gameplay means combat and nothing elseHow fucking stupid do you need to be to think this?
