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>>738879624
>Marathon: Launch, Learnings, and What’s Next Anonymous 05/14/26(Thu)20:32:24No.738879624Don't know about y'all, but I truly believe Marathon can make a comeback.
>https://x.com/MarathonTheGame/status/2055016173008486552
>
>THE SHORT VERSION (TL;DR)
>There’s a lot of words ahead, but here’s the gist of it:
>
>>With the first season of Marathon we’ve created a strong core community.
>>We're embarking on a multi-season journey built around growing from the seed of this strong community.
>>We’re looking to solve some pain points for players:
>>Making the game less grindy, more rewarding
>>Making improvements to things like the UI/UX, matchmaking, end game meta, playing as solos/duos, etc.
>>Smoothing out onboarding
>>We’re also going to build out more of the core game:
>>Adding new fun and mind-bending content: new and updated zones, Runner shells, new combatants, weapons, loot, and more
>>Building systems to make progressing more interesting
>>We want to build more survival experiences for different moods, like if you want to full sweat or lean back and chill.
>>Exploring more pure PVP, PVE, and PVP-lite experiences
>>Continue experimenting with experimental queues to learn more around these experiences
>
>Other highlights:
>
>>We're bringing back Duos for Season 2 with a rotating Duos queue.
>>We're testing some experiments in Season 2 around PVE and PVP-Lite modes.
>>We’re expanding the max size of your Vault and increasing faction progression rates in Season 2.
>>We’ll talk more about Season 2 content like Night Marsh, the new Cradle progression system, and the Runner shell Sentinel, the week of May 25.

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FIVE (5) SEASONS CONFIRMED

HATERS IN SHAMBLES
FUDDERS BTFO

WE'VE NEVER BEEN MORE BACK

>>738879624
Hey /v/, pitchforks down for a moment. What would you prefer?

>Valheim style PvE survival mode
>Roguelite PvE mode like Risk of Rain
>L4D coop PvE mode
>Horde Mode
>10hr Campaign

>>738879624
tldr

>>738879624
hell yea i cant wait for a smooth onboarding. i love being onboarded.

>>738880306
I'd prefer this game not to exist

>>738879624
>already segregating hardcore pvp, pure pve, and pvp-lite (presumably no stakes pvp)
this never works

>>738880306
I'd be down for a horde mode similar to helldivers/d2 onslaught, it'd be a good easy starting point for them as well before building out more pve stuff

>>738880306
PvE mode at all would be enough to get me to start playing only if it goes F2P though

>>738880306
pve tarkov mode

>>738879624
You won chuds, it's getting PvE mode.

>>738879624
>With the first season of Marathon we’ve created a strong core community.
Uh-huh... This of course is reflected in the player numbers, right?

>>738879624
kys tranny

>>738880568
>worked for tarkov
>is working for arc raiders
???

>>738880306
Well lets see
>The gameplay is fucking dogshit so it doesn't matter
>The gameplay is fucking dogshit so it doesn't matter
>The gameplay is fucking dogshit so it doesn't matter
>The gameplay is fucking dogshit so it doesn't matter
>The campaign can hide the dogshit gameplay with cutscenes
Hmm... yes I think you can go fuck yourself

>>738880306
>>Valheim style PvE survival mode
Wouldn't work.
>>Roguelite PvE mode like Risk of Rain
Probably not.
>>L4D coop PvE mode
Possible.
>>Horde Mode
Don't know what this means.
>>10hr Campaign
Would be a different game.

>>738880316
Marathon is here to stay.

>>738881390
People overblow the player count drop off. It's an extraction game headed to the end of season. There's not even anything to do this week casually since the end-season patch is next week, basically anything you do right now is a massive waste of time. Most games see drop offs like this naturally.

The actual problem is that Marathon is a AAA game that cost a fuckton pushed out by Sony and Bungie and it didn't manage to get a high enough player count to begin with. I've played a ton of service games in the last few years that'd be jealous of Marathon's retention, but a game like this needed to start with like five times as many players to secure its own existence. As it stands, the inevitable path the game is on is death as it moves from season to season, getting a quick injection at the start of each season, but ultimately finishing off every one of them a little smaller than the last until Sony decides it's flopping hard enough that they won't look bad killing it.

>>738880316
Bungie is panicking about Marathon flopping, so they're reversing on something they said they'd never do (making PVE only modes) to try to pull an Arc Raiders and save their asses.

I don't think it will work, because they won't have enough time to make any real PVE content that isn't some milky thin version of what's in the game already. They're not making a Destiny 2 strike in five weeks. They're not putting PVE only Cryo in the game because it would just be a loot pinata with no risk.

Bungie takes ages to make new content, too. I think this change is too late and the game will bleed out first.

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>>738880306
A good first point would be adding more enemy variety to the game. So far you have
>UESC fodder, it's neat that they can carry the same weapons as players, but that's not much variety
>bigger UESC with shield and grenades
>UESC commander with some gimmick (go invisible, have a big shield, throw tox bombs)
>UESC boss that are the same bipedal but stronger
>one (1) drone that just patrols in an area
>one (1) turret
>one (1) alien wildlife, the tick (the original Marathon even had more varieties of ticks)
>not even including the Compiler since it's just a static damage sponge
They would first need to add more enemy variety between any PvE mission concept can even be considered. Some big robots that are confined to outdoor areas. More mutated fauna, more UESC variety, more drones.
Arc PvP is garbage which is why it is correctly played as a Helldivers PvE experience and it excels at it because of the great variety in enemies.

>>738882791
IMO make everything PVE except Cyro and one other random map that is the PVP map of the week. There. I saved your game

>>738880316
I'm having a blast

>>738883174
Well, there is going to be a new UESC unit this season, and probably more for season 2.

they're highgaurding

Marathon won so bigly bungiechads

>>738883202
That would help, thougheverbeit. All you'd have then would be these large maps, only designed around PVP, being used as mostly empty spaces with sporadic PVE enemies. It'd feel like being in an empty theme park, or in a Destiny open world area that just had another player run through and kill everything. The gameplay would be dull as shit.

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>Sony have lost nearly 5 BILLION DOLLARS on bungie
>And doubled down on it
Lol LAMO I hope marathon stays open forever and bleeds Sony like a axe wound

>>738879624
they played us all…like concordians…

>>738879624
What's next: Marathon gets shut down.

There, simplified it for you.

>>738879624
When are these marketers gonna stop spamming their shit on here

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>>738883174
I understand that their focuses were different, Arcs are fun to fight, that's why 99% of the playerbase focuses on them. UESC in Marathon are not fun to fight, they're meant to be a roadblock that you pay ammo and some health to clear, they're strong, but not interesting to fight, they're a third factor that third parties you while you're in a PvP battle, or you get third partied by an enemy team while trying to mag dump a Warden. Marathon sure has better PvP shooting but that's not some high bar to clear when it is built on Destiny, and it's not that exceptional to stand on it alone.
The game design really feels at odds with itself sometimes. You have those intricate maps with hidden lore and audio logs and little details that you won't notice because the gameplay incentivizes smash and grab and fast movement. They're vast and complex but pretty barren of any activity, there aren't interesting PvE enemies to fight and PvP is funneled into the same PoIs. They have a good base but the game needed a year in development more at least to iron out a concrete identity, I guess we'll see what direction they'll steer towards.

>>738880306
Nightdive remaster of the original trilogy so consolefags can finally play the real Marathon.

>>738883386
hi retard

>>738883593
>I guess we'll see what direction they'll steer towards.
That direction is PVE as part of this last ditch move to stop the bleeding and keep the game alive. Everything in this post from Bungie looks like it's to make the game softer, less hardcore, and more casual.

>>738882767
This is the most likely scenario but I don't think it has to be the inevitable. It may be too distant for many to really remember but honestly the start of this game really reminds me of how Rainbow Six Siege initially landed with the public when it first came out. It had a similar tepid response but Ubisoft noticed that they had ended up with a small but passionate fanbase and just focused on nurturing the product until it became something that appealed to a wider market.

Of course, one could argue that the market conditions for such a revival were more present back in the late 2010s compared to the mid-2020s, but I would imagine that many at Bungie are looking at the hand they've been dealt with that very same story in the back of their minds as a north star of where they hope they could bring their game to. It's really going to come down to if they will have the expertise and resources to really make it happen, and at a pace to keep what nascent flame they have right now burning to get the good public PR to do the marketing for them. I wouldn't my breath on it, but if Ubisoft could do it, maybe Bungie can too now that at least Pete is gone.

Still not on linux

>>738879624
dead game lol lmao

>>738883783
More content is not hurting anyone. More maps, enemies, weapons will benefit every player. If "less hardcore" means increasing the faction EXP rates then that's a great change because certain ones were impossible to level in season 1 unless you poopsock the fuck out of it from week 1. The rates you got for Arachne or CyAc were insane compared to +10 NuCal for picking one piece of grass.

>>738883885
>yes let's cater to literallt 2-300 people total of which maybe 10 will actually buy it
unreal how autistic linuxfags are

>>738883824
>Rainbow Six Siege
I don't think this is a good comparison because
>dev team was less than half the size of Marathon (150 on R6 siege)
>development took two and a half years (or three, arguably) starting in 2013 and releasing late in 2015 (for the base game)
>budget was probably $60-70m

Marathon is in a position where Bungie is so damn expensive that it would need a huge turnaround and then a few years at least to even get close to breaking even. And this is in 2026 where the market is flooded worse than ever, zoomie attention spans are shorter than ever, and the Bungie name doesn't mean much because they pissed away their good will by fucking up Destiny 2 for years and years. The circumstances between the two are only similar because they're both shooters.

>>738884082
More content can hurt the existing players if it's adding more strain the queue system. People who aren't playing PVP means there's fewer people for the sweats to rape, which means the sweats might leave or stop playing. More types of queues means match type segmentation, which could mean longer queue times for everyone. There's a lot of things that seem good on the surface but could have weird side effects elsewhere.

>>738879624
All I'm seeing is a buzzwords word salad with little to no actual concrete plans.

>yall
didn't read, thread filtered

>>738884284
In the actual post, a lot of this will come 'during' season 2, which means 'between June and the end of August.' They didn't put dates on anything because they're probably shitting themselves behind the scenes with not having real plans for this or the time to do it.

>>738879624
>With the first season of Marathon we’ve created a strong core community
Stopped reading right there, first line firt lie.
They have 10k players nowadays. 13k if you include consoles.

>onboarding the core community to engage with expiremental pain point smoothing.
>PVP-lite
holy mother of all corpo speak. Just say the game is a flop and Sony is pity funding the project just so they don't have to admit they lost 5 billion dollars on a fucking failure of a studio next time.

>>738883537
Death throes, maratroons will rather sit here and spam how great the game is than actually play it. Shit's hilarious to watch, and if by some miracle it gits gud, I'll just get it on 90% discount/f2p and play the better game. Tnx for alpha-teating, xisters!

>>738883537
talking about the game isn't being a marketer or shill dude, stop fighting ghosts

>>738882791
T L D R

>>738884549
>They have 10k players nowadays. 13k if you include consoles.
that's about the same amount of core community people that still play Destiny 2, more or less

>>738884263
>sweats stop playing
>somehow that's a bad thing

>>738884284
vague made up corpo-speak to obfuscate the reality of the situation.

>>738880316
the lighting was captured

>>738879624
Buy an ad.

>>738884661
>Bungie scared
>Bungie has to try crazy shit they said they wouldn't do
>it's probably too late

>>738884716
When you designed and marketed your game around it being hardcore PVP? Yeah, I'd say that niche audience leaving is a problem.

>>738883386
>helldivers pic
hope this somehow makes sony afraid of shutting down the galatic war mod

>>738884647
>posting literal patch notes
>talking about the game
lol

>>738884978
you're literally mentally ill and should seeking professional help immediately

>>738884263
The thing is, what other option do they really have? For both Bungie and Sony. Kickstarting any new project like a Destiny 3 is still going to cost more than 1 or 2 years of more support for the product that actually exists to see if they can turn the ship around, and if Sony were to close down the studio after 1 title that was already in production before the 3.6 billion dollar acquisition will just turn their ~700 mil reevaluation into a 3.6 billion dollar loss. That's a nuclear bomb on investor confidence that I don't believe Sony has the stomach to face.

Bungie still doesn't know what this game wants to be. Season 5 to accumulate all the meaningful changes one would expect on release is laughable. Doesn't the game have 300 devs on it? Crimson Desert devs have such a fast turnaround time in comparison.

The weekly in-game playtests said enough. Making reactionary changes purely on player outcry has also been hilarious so far because they had to dial back on some of those changes as well. It's baffling. Their in-house playtests didn't provide enough feedback beyond solo queue (no Cryo lol) and proximity chat I guess..
I've heard someone tell me that this is the most accessible extraction shooter but then Cryo exists, not even soloable too. The Compiler Vault 1-6 journey basically requires a premade stack to make it through. Maybe 1% of players will ever do it. At least in Tarkov you can solo queue on all maps too.

Speaking of Tarkov, it reached with more maps than Marathon with a no-wipe mode as well as a PVE mode which released earlier. I would expect a AAA extraction shooter to go above and beyond but all the effort seems to have gone into Cryo. It's obvious the development restart fucked them over. It's also baffling there's no singleplayer component (what Bungie excels at) that could've set them apart from others in the genre. It could've intertwine with the MP side, minimum effort example such as being able to use MP gear. Could've been a SP thing that evolves every season too.

It's sad the result here is bare minimum..

>>738884953
That audience isn't large enough to support such a big budget game though. And they're a repellent to every other type of more casual gamer.

>>738884978
you're literally mentally ill and should seeking professional help immediately

>>738880316
Chuds are owned

>>738885112
If you're Sony, you have two options:
>close Bungie and sunset Marathon and Destiny 2, eat the bad news and weather the stock price drop and maybe use the opportunity to repurchase shares when the price goes lower
>put another half a billion (at least) into Bungie to try to fix Marathon and make Destiny 3 (while still probably laying people off)

The big thing here that will fuck up everyone (including me) trying to make predictions is the human factor. Executives make retarded decisions all the time for totally insane personal reasons, and add to that Sony is a Japanese company and reputation (or face) is really important.

The $3.6b and the $300m on Marathon are gone. That's sunk cost fallacy territory to think you'll ever get either back at this point. So to me, it's all about how much Sony wants to keep spending on Bungie vs. how much embarrassment they'll want to endure as a company.

>>738885325
>That audience isn't large enough to support such a big budget game though.
You're totally correct anon, and this is the fundamental AVGN style what were they THINKING question you and others asked when the first hints about the game's budget came out.

But Bungie basically made a sports car for race enthusiasts when they should have made a minivan for the Dads of Marathon, and now they're trying to pretend its an episode of Top Gear and turn the F1 racer into something it isn't.

>>738879624
TLDR
dead cat bounce

>>738885538
To me, I think the worst case scenario would be a heavy shredding of Bungie while more deeply integrating it with the rest of their core business. The awkward part is that the executive heads Sony would want to have rolling for this entire blunder have of course all ran off with their golden parachutes with the exception of Herman Hulst. But overall I think "restructuring" is overall more likely than a complete shutdown.

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>>738879843
>roadmap

>>738886032
It wasn't a Marathon thread, but I saw an anon mention an outcome where Sony uses Marathon's failure to totally restructure the entire gaming division.
>kick out Hulst
>fire most (or all) people at Bungie
>cancel Fairgames
>close Fairgames studio
>cancel the Horizon live service game that's coming out (Hunting Gathering? whatever)
>pull back from PC ports for now
>fire anyone else they feel like as part of restructuring, like cleaning house on the corporate side and removing adult daycare jobs like Elon did at Twitter
>bring control back to Japan and out of California

99% chance it won't happen, but the entire live service thing being a huge mess definitely would give you the excuse you need to shake things up.

>>738886124
yeah that's literally what it is you mentally unstable weirdo
you're so used to being ironic 24/7 that you don't even realize how odd and awfully telling your weird, nonesensical obsessive posts are

>>738886397
I think anon is laughing at how all of these flop live service games have roadmaps that ultimately go unused because the game dies early. Like Highguard and Concord.

>>738885278
Minimum viable product.

>>738880306
PvE Mode so i dont have to asociate with the other retards that bought this pile of shit.

Just give me a coop campaign in the style of L4D.

>>738886571
except that's not funny or applicable to marathon at all
that's my point you faggots are so retarded and ironic all the time, not even you know whats a joke and what's objective reality anymore
you're just constant negative, cynical, irony fags being nasty contrarians 24/7 its bizarre and for sure has to be unhealthy like wtf

>>738880306
total bungie death

>>738880306
i want a singleplayer marathon game

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>>738887460
them bothering to put out a roadmap at all is what's funny
fake it until you get shut down, I suppose

>>738887460
Marathon is a flop live service game. It's completely applicable to laugh at it having this long roadmap.

If you get this asshurt from people laughing at the objectively viewable bad numbers for a game you like, then you don't belong here and should fuck off back to whatever Discord or subreddit you slithered out from.

>>738886124
That's how crypto scams worked

>>738888120
>>738888180
>makes a bunch of odd, clearly emotional posts complete with threats and swearing
>calls the person being totally calm and rational about your bad behavior 'asshurt'
are you dumb, autistic, or just profoundly mentally unwell?

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>>738888330
You're talking to two people, dipshit.
>calls the person being totally calm and rational
Having a melty in >>738887460 when you lash out and have to use a handful of different insults isn't you 'being calm and rational.' It's you having an emotional reaction like a young woman or millennial manchild because someone said a thing you didn't like.

This is why retards like you stand out.

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>>738879843

>>738879624
Anthem sold like 5 million at full price btw

>>738880306
Why the completely random suggestions? A survival game? Really?
Either way, PVE would help, and a campaign would help too, but Bungie's relying on pulling in more people who don't care for the Marathon franchise, and relying on players running around as plastic clowns, so the reach just isn't there.
The safe bet is a campaign to get people to buy it as-is as a regular shooter, but I don't think "Marathon" has the appeal to pull in that many people.

>>738879624
I don't think I've seen someone actually use the news article function on Twitter before.
Anyway...
>Marathon fans hate "Marathon"
>Halo fans hate it too because of the plastic clowns
>extraction shooter fans are playing other games already
>PVP fans are sticking around, but slowly dwindling as they're getting bored, and most are playing other games anyway
>PVE fans quit the second they get PVP'd and don't come back
>coomers don't care about any of the characters minus one
>the server reset's hitting soon, and we don't know if that'll cause a mass-exodus of players mad they lost everything, or if it'll cause a bump in players returning to start over fresh
Also:
>the whole game AND company are both deep in the hole by a LONG shot
>literally the only talk about the game anymore is negative
>the only people positive about the game are those neck-deep into it that have such low standards that they don't recognize anything wrong with it
>Destiny 2 is flopping too, and Marathon is doing worse than it
>Bungie might try to save D2 and Marathon by releasing a Destiny 3
The game's fucked unless they luck out like Cyberpunk did with Edgerunners.
It's going to continue to BE fucked for the foreseeable future.

>>738888330
>one guy that double-spaces but types well with no other issues
>one guy with shit English, uses a reaction image, doesn't use punctuation and doesn't touch the shift key
>these two are somehow one dude
You might need to talk to your doctor, you have brain worms.

>>738885543
That's the long and short of it. No one new is gonna buy the game either unless they go half off

>>738879624
Why has
>ya'll
become the new faggot-post signifier? Why include it you fucking retard? Type my God given language properly, without niggaboo or hick speak.

>>738884713
Yeah but that remainder are whales that clear out the cash shop in Destiny 2's case.

>>738889557
Where have you been? It's not newfag signifier it's folksy woke inclusive retard speak. You can pretty much ignore any tweet that has it

>>738889557
because aint nothing but steers and queers in texas

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>new runner is some helmeted faceless nobody again
Why wouldn't they add another cute shell instead?

>>738880316
The comeback has been studied, the lightning has been bottled, and chuds are in SHAMBLES.

>>738879624
>sony will cancel development
>they wont release it after the alpha
>its doa
>it will shut down in two weeks like concord
>it wont last a month
>it wont last its first season
you are currently here
>they release the second season because its already done but then its dead
>it will be dead by the end of the year
>the game will die next year
>game will shut down by the end of 2027
>AAAAHHH MASTER ASMONGOLD SAVE ME

Imagine how pathetic the life of someone must be, reduced to simply hoping a video game flops out of childish spite. This individual logs into SteamDB every day to check how many people are playing.

>They had to add a less hardcore mode because the game was too hardcore.

I corrected it for you, OP.

>>738890680
its kinda funny seeing this car crash in slow mo.

>>738889557
english is the farthest language from a "god given language" if there is even one. English people are anglican jew worshipping inbred heretics.

>>738880306
11 hr campaign & Slayer, Capture the Flag, King of the Hill, Infection, Assault, Oddball, Territories, Juggernaut, VIP.
yes, i just want bungie to pull their fucking heads out of their asses and make a cool game like Halo 3 again.
don't worry, i know they're completely incapable of doing that otherwise they would have done it.

I dislike the tranny character design, remove them and add charismatic characters

>>738885106
>>738885406
Did your script break mr marketer saar?

>>738890785
sorry chud

>>738890680
And this person you're describing is still leagues less pathetic than someone who simps for a company they don't work for to defend a flop game they probably don't even play.

>>738880316
season 5 is when marathon gets good you guys! its release also happens to coincide with the 1 year deadline sony have given bungie to salvage marathon

>>738889557
liberals picked up because black people use it. it's got nothing to do with hicks.

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don't like the guy, but he's 100% right here

>>738892083
It's what Arc did and is why they blew up while Marathon is getting outdrawn by fucking Hunt Showdown. Hardcore PVP players are this tiny niche audience that can't sustain a AAA game and never could.

It's one of the big reasons Highguard failed or hell, even Wildstar.

PvPniggers are so useless Bungie is forced to turn the game into Destiny 2.5 so they don‘t get fucking vaporized by Sony

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>>738892463
all they had to do was make Destiny 3...

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>>738879624
Sorry
I only play video games with a 0 tranny dev team

>>738892578
no one gives a fuck about destiny you actual crazy person

Do they really think paying for more shills will save the game?

>>738893041
Not anymore, but there's clearly an audience for a FPS/TPS PVE scifi game with how big Arc got, or how big Warframe still is.

I don't care ehat changes they make or even if the game becomes the second coming of jesus.
I am not playing anything bungie ever makes again for what they did to destiny

>>738893231
why are destiny 'people' all this odd kind of whiney offputting faggot?

>>738892083
what IS the game supposed to be anyways?
arc raiders but with gay robots?

>>738893342
Why do marathon people believe they deserve to build their house on top of the corpse they made

You have like years to learn before launch though... Maybe you are too busy stealing twitter drawing

>>738894375
They had a fucking playtest last year

Why are they only figuring this out now

>>738894251
yout framing is completely asinine to begin with but also:
because that's how every form of media to ever exist works??
you mentally ill retard

>>738880306
>>L4D coop PvE game*
literally the hardest genre to get right and the most fun objectively

>>738894648
My framing is completely outrageous?
Its no surprise that bungie's incubation projections siphoned so many fucking resources away from destiny. It's a verifiably proven fact

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...I'm tired boss...

This is genuinely one of the ugliest games I've ever seen

>>738894829
you just talk like such an eoverly emoptional fag and are obsessed with a gay game like destiny, it's frankly just sad

>>738894968
Destiny makes more money and has more players than your game. Will marathon ever make even a dime on its investment

So when are the layoffs? We already know they're happening

>>738894834
>Season 5 (two years later)

DONT THEY HAVE 400 DEVS WORKING IN THIS GAME HOW DOES IT TAKE THAT LONG

>>738894829
it not outrageous you aren't good at communicated and seem to also have some severe emotional/psychological issues to the point it's concerning to even disinterested, passive observers

>>738895115
what am I an accountant, the game is fun, I play it
get a fuckin life dude wtf this culture war hroseshit has melted your brain

>>738894968
Marathjetty doesn't even have significant microtranscations to make Sony money. Destiny is the Michaels here clearly

>>738891560
>it's got nothing to do with hicks
who do you think blacks picked it up from?

Am I going insane?

Why is everyone treating Bungie like some underdog indiedev working on an early access game for the first time?

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>Marathon has heavily copy pasted Destiny 2 elements down to enemy AI, animations and even character abilities
>Current game plays like a seasonal slop mode from Destiny 2 with forced PvP
>Destiny 2 PvP is dead and hated
>Bungie is somehow surprised that their PvP focused Destiny 0.1 game is not popular
>Sudden change from "PvP focus fuck you PvE nerds" to "We're experimenting with PvE guys!" within 3 months
>All the "improvements" made to Marathon are just slowly turning it into Destiny
All roads lead to Destiny, Marakeks.

>>738895208
If its so fun why arent you playing it now, instead of shilling in on 4chan like a retard. You don't have fun with the game, you can admit it. Because if you genuinely did you wouldn't be screaming and crying when someone doesnt like your game or shit talks it

>>738895325
for some reason a few devs get the privilege of getting treated with kid gloves by their playerbase. FFXIV is a great example of this

>>738895349
>all this obvious emotioanl projection
>incoherent nonsequiters
honestly, seek professional help,

>>738895325
>early access

god fuck this whats been at the back of my head
marathon is a aaa game that feels like some fucking janky early access game with how flipfloppy they are
what was the point of any of the playtests?.why did it take only now for them to figure out what the fuck was wrong with the game?

WHY IS IT GONNA TAKE UNTIL SEASON 5 FOR THEIR """"VISION""""" OF MARATJON TO BE FULLY REALIZED????

>>738895542
Admittedly, I do feel like the game will be great if it lasts long enough at their current pace. I just don't believe it will last long enough

>>738895445
You dont have fun with your game. You wouldnt feel the need to defend your terrible purchasing decisions if you did

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>>738895542
Season 3 is gonna hit next to GTA6.

This shit has not chance of surviving.

>>738895660
I haven't defended anything
the game is fun, I enjoy it
why aren't YOU playing destiny rn if its so fun and awesome

All they had to do was to add SBMM

>>738895738
You defend the game heavily. Youre on a thread getting in arguments about people who express any amount of displeasure and laugh at this failure of a game.

>>738879624
>we're working on revamping the whole game and changing everything
So season 1 was just a beta test? Lol this kind of massive pivot and willingness to cater to demands never works out

>>738895906
>makes changes
>OMG THEY'RE PIVOTING
>doesn't make changes
>OMG THEY ARENT LISTENING
you're just a disengenuios mentally ill person

>>738879624
No. Bungie has consistently demonstrated that they no longer understand game design. They should have just made a destiny extraction shooter to continue milking their paypigs

>>738896024
There is making changes and completely changing the core vision

>>738896024
You can spell disingenuous correctly first. Then I'll consider your projection.

>>738896024
The game director compared Marathon to fucking Lord of the Rings because of its focus on PvP LMAO

And now they completely backpedalled because Sony spanked their asses

>>738879624
sony is so retarded that they refuse to shut down the tranny devs even when they lose them billions

>>738896024
>you're just a disengenuios mentally ill person
Says the bungie shill LOL

>>738896024
Your hardcore pvp game is turning into a pve game
Not even arc raiders has a pve mode lmao, arc is now more hardcore than marathon

>>738896175
they're all troons anon

Im sorry but do people even find the enemies here interesting? Theyre all so bland and just reskins of Destiny mobs
Even the compiler is just a floating bulletsponge

I can at least understand Arc because they're wacky robots while Tarkov has autistic milsim shit
But I dont see how a PvE mode is that interesting

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It doesn't matter what they change, because the fact of the matter is that the genre itself has limited appeal.

>>738896175
Sony's in "Too Big to Fail" territory, but they certainly seem to be trying to get out of that. The concept of GaaS must've really fried those suits' brains.

>>738896243
pve is awesome, can't wait to play it
especially since it won't be as some weird gay wizard in a faggy cape shooting fireballs at random

>>738896428
but I like dark and darker

>>738896374
>Im sorry but do people even find the enemies here interesting?
not really no, they need to bring the phfor in immediately
the uesc bots got stale around level 20 desu

>>738896175
I think it's a pride brand reputation thing. Sony is Japanese, so they definitely don't want to be embarrassed. Doubly so after Concord.

So killing this stupid you grossly overpaid to get makes you look like the biggest dumbass in the gaming industry and would probably fuck up the stock price because the gaming department makes Sony most of its money.

>>738879624
It's just not worth trying, man.

>>738896428
Go back to your carebare game maratroon, arc raiders is a real mans extraction game

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>marathon is here to stay
>were in it for the long haul

>>738896552
Sony devalued Bungie by a lot so there is a chance that they're gonna sell them off for cheap.

>>738896932
Sony paid $3.7b for Bungie in 2022 (with inflation, it's probably close to $3.9b by now). They've done three impairment losses against Bungie (the recent being $750m) for a total of around $1b, I think. That's about a 30% decrease in value, and I would say Bungie is still overvalued by 50% at $2b (I think they're worth $1b tops).

Who the fuck would want to buy Bungie at this point unless it was unloaded for super cheap? Even MS said fuck no back in 2022 when they saw the price, and now MS is mostly out of gaming. Tencent could I guess, but then they just inherit this big, expensive mess when they probably only want the IPs.

I don't see it happening.

>>738897094
That really is gonna depend on how desperate Sony wants to throw away this dysfunctional shitheap. They might actually sell as low as 1 billion, but I don't think they've lost enough faith yet.

Its crazy to me that theyre still doing fucking halfassed experimental queue shit

Why does any game dev ever think PvPvE would succeed?
PvE players hate PvP and will "one drop" purity test a game if they so much as see even a hint of PvP coming their way.
You'd think the PvP-side would survive only on PvPers but have you seen the outcry whenever SBMM gets introduced into a PvP game? PvPers don't want to PvP, they want to stomp PvE players.
So what happens when all the PvP-hating PvEers leave the game? The PvPers also leave.

>>738895668
i didn't even think of that. they're so screwed lol

>>738879843
>evolving our weird sci-fi world in new ways.
i wonder if investors read stuff like this and just think 'ok i am fucking done with this'

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>>738883386
It's not like they can immediately shut it down they did to Concord. Bungie is far too integrated into the entire PS Studios structure because they're still serving as pointman for everything involving online multiplayer. The other issue is that when Sony acquired Bungie, the contract gave Bungie too much power considering they were the ones being absorbed. Straight out of Sony's own press release from January 2022, coupled with all of the stupid bullshit Bungie has done to themselves and to other studios, it's clear that SIE does not have any real control over them. They're stuck with this lemon tree until either the shareholders finally agree to take action against Bungie (more likely they'll just go for Playstation higher-ups instead) or Bungie finally decides they want to actually be good again.

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>>738879624
GOTY

>arc raiders doesnt have a pve only mode
>marathon will
Well I guess marathon is now the carebear hugbox game

>>738898235
Ugly troon

>>738898235
Now post what she looks ingame kek

>>738898262
Doesn't the aggression-based matchmaking effectively give PvE-only players a PvE-only experience?

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>>738879624
>y'all
Go back

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>>738879843
How'd that work out for Highguard?

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>>738888330
Look at him go!

>>738884953
>When you designed and marketed your game around it being hardcore PVP?
That's just what it looks like on the outside. Marathon is just one big fat skinnerbox designed to milk the thousand or so ultra-whales as much as possible for however long they're willing to chip in their food stamps. It's also why Bungie adopted the mass reset despite no other multiplayer game doing so, punish everybody that isn't investing money into the game's cash shop and currency exchanger while forcing people into chasing the same highs again as they scramble to build up their inventories again.

>>738893382
>what IS the game supposed to be anyways?
When people post webms it all looks like standard CoD shit to me except nobody seems to sprint for some reason.

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>>738898437
From what I read it was too strict. If you threw an explosive at an Arc and it hits a player that counted as PvP. Also apparently it reset every update

launching with one npc faction (and a shallow one at that) was laughable but the pvp kept it from being a huge problem. The PvE in this game is going to suck unless they bring in new enemy types quickly but they had four years and barely did anything with it content wise so I'm not holding my breath even though it could be cool

>>738889557
It's gender neutral.

>>738881553
It really is just discord trannies mad they can no longer farm normie casuals who are all lumped into one playlist.

>>738879624
I don’t, going to be rich during the Polymarket sell.

>>738879624
>>We're testing some experiments in Season 2 around PVE
ok i might redownload to check this out

>>738880306
Literally all of those would be preferrable to the current game

>>738901984
they're fixing it sweaty, be patient

>>738899054
kill yourself

>>738880306
The game going f2p.
I’m not putting money down to see if I like this game or not.
That simple.

>>738899054
Care for yourself

>>738880316
despite autists crying on /v/ marathon has retained a playerbase and it might shock people but the game is quite fun for a extraction shooter. Its not perfect but its just like shit raiders.

>>738889937
Their artistic talent has left the building. The person responsible for the starting iconic characters will never be heard from again.

Seeing the word "season" is all I need to know to avoid a game.

>>738896914
>Sony: we aren't abandoning Marathon
>Bungie: here is how we play to fix Marathon
Idk, seems pretty solid.

>>738898519
Well, Marathon still has thousands of players, and Highguard was long offline by this point. It's obvious to anyone who isn't a butthurt Destinigger that the game can be saved.

>>738895668
Same could be said about any online game.

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>>738879624
>PVE mode
kek maratroon is a carebare hugbox

>comeback
didn't the game just launch? Why the fuck do you need a comeback from your launch?

>>738879624
>actually chud, here's why Sony isn't going to shut down our paid shill game of the week after Season 2 fails to get a playerbase over 20k ever again
lol
lmao

>>738908217
because they spent 250 million dollars on it and counting

>>738908217
Back to asset market

>>738908706
sony spent a little bit more than that to acquire bungle

>>738889176
Anthem was pretty shit though. I blocked all the noise and gave Marathon an honest try and it's pretty kino, despite some issues.

>>738895139
Too many devs make things slow down, if management is poorly done which seems to be the case

>>738895139
Seasons last 3 months, so season 5 will be next spring.

>>738886285
>moving adult daycare jobs like Elon did at Twitter
Yeah because now Twitter is now much better with the demented retard that is elon lmao

>>738911579
NTA, but I do think it's in a better state now, even just technically. Also, it made people I dislike seethe to the point of making their own safespace website, which is a nice bonus.

>>738898262
I want a safe space where I can gather loot to take on the sweats in the hard space. I don't understand why there is a need to make this subgenre so ball-bustingly mean and hard.

Arc Raiders is not understanding the assignment either, but for some reason a community grew there that desired, if not, forced a behavior out of the devs to facilitate their desired needs. But AR devs are constantly shitting the bed. Personally the updates that piss me off the most are the ones that make decent items against arc be useless, introduce useless items like the falling from height-items that work not as advertised, and making arc generally more powerful and mean while nerfing weapons and equipment.
Bungalow also started doing it with equalisers like the knife and shotgun, and I hate them for it, but at least they seem to get that the subgenre's supposed rules aren't set in stone.

The marathon cum back must be studied.

>>738895327
>>Sudden change from "PvP focus fuck you PvE nerds" to "We're experimenting with PvE guys!" within 3 months
>>All the "improvements" made to Marathon are just slowly turning it into Destiny
enjoying getting permastuck in blue loot territory in cucked Perimeter and Dire Marsh maps, shitter

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>>738879624
>we admit that our $40 game is unfinished garbage that appeals to no-one but trust the plan 2 more seasons! it will be worth the wait!

>we’ve created a strong core community
>strong core community

>>738879624
>Marathon can make a comeback.
Lol, lmao. That list is absolute trash copium.
>PVE mode
Holy shit it's even more of a hugbox than their hated "Arc Raiders" bogeyman. How's that "le hardcore pvp game" going, all 7 people who still play?

>Marathon is for hardcore pvp players chud!
>We are adding PvE
>PvE is good actually look at how successful Arc Raider is
My side

>>738912484
Yeah this is the baffling part to me

Is Marathon literally not just an early access title now?
Why is this shit so incomplete and flipfloppy?

Like something like Deadcock at least has the excuse of being literal alpha
But what about this? Bungie even fucking delayed it.

Why are people treating Bungie and Marathon with kiddie gloves at how they've been handling this game?

>>738912764
>Why are people treating Bungie and Marathon with kiddie gloves at how they've been handling this game?

sony shills

>>738912408
>we're allowing you to bring 1 loadout of items over from a previous season
>there will be season specific loot that will be unobtainable after seasons end
>carried over season specific weapons will have hidden stats that make them better than current season gear, but bungie will make sure the streamers and dev alt accounts spread this to the community as "hidden knowledge"
>players will feel compelled to play at seasons end to have better odds of getting to endgame first at new season start
Nubungie is the king of fomo and "hidden mechanics." The got in big shit for weightgate a few years ago. What happened was they released new weapons behind paywalls every season, make getting the meta weapons as a drop,statistically lower than every other item, then make getting the drop with good perks on it an even slimmer chance than any other perk combination. Players were about 100x less likely to get a "godroll" as any other specific perk combination. They hire psychologists to figure out how to make grinding their games take as long as possible for player metrics.

They still havent explained why cryo is time gated

>>738912856
Bungie has always loved FOMO shit. Thanks to that, I now have JOMO (joy of missing out)

>>738912856
Because they don't want high level players to only run that

>>738911773
>NTA, but I do think it's in a better state now, even just technically.
You must be blind then, the site is worse ragebait engagement for paid blue checkers and ai slop bots everywhere

Gonna need f2p or a Game Pass drop buddy sport champ amigo sama

>>738915107
I already played the beta and you couldn't convince me to play the game again for free.

For all the beatings Bungies inner circle deserves the game is riding on years of AAA SOP so it's a nice polished turd. Most of the work wasn't even on this fucking game just building out the future of their proprietary engine. And it really fuckin shows what with all the borrowed D2 assets and lack of innovation.

I don't see this game ever recovering they don't have that dawg in their game design, haven't since Halo 2, and Marathon devs are all the lower tier staff. Wrote this studio off on Destiny 1 launch when it turned out to be a half finished fetch quest zone game. I swear if this company were in any other industry it'd be like Honda selling you a Civic that doesn't have power steering and requiring you to sign a loan to get it 2 years later. Nobody works at these fucking AAA studios it's like they all get 1/10 the work done in the same time span as early console generation studios but demand $100k to work 1 hour per day. We can see across the ocean this isn't a problem.