Turtle WoW finally shut down it's servers a few minutes ago
>>738891732People really need to move on from this game honestly, both official and pservers.
>>738891732FThat's the end of WoW for me.
Feels bad man.
>>738891732good riddance
>>738891732Let the dark age of private server cashgrabs begin
>>738891732RIP to the best Vanilla+ server
>>738891882No, I will always keep playing classic private servers and when they all shut down I will set up my own server at home and walk the lands of Azeroth alone..
>>738891882yeah and play new worthwhile mmos like..
>>738891732Rest in piss
>>738891882Make a better MMO then, literally all you have to do.
Once again Ascension wins.You hate it, but in the end all your servers will be shut down and you will eventually play there.
It will be the birth of LAN cafes all over again. Imagine local LAN servers in every city.
>>738892168The genre is deader than text based games
>>738892181Chromie's server crashed from the influx of people meanwhile ascension is a ghost town right now btw.
>>738891732I miss level 255 funservers, it was like a theme park where I just explored and raided for fun with randoms.
>>738892146>new worthwhile mmos>worthwhile mmos>mmosthat's your problem right there
>>738892216There's clearly a demand for an actual good one.
>>738892146>>738892168MMOs are dead and have been for a long time. You will never be 15 again.It's time to move on.
>>738892226>ascension is a ghost town right now btw.bronzebeard is packed. i was just on there to check how much goldi need to spend to get into their custom server beta thing.
>>738892021>good riddanceIt was literally the best classic wow server, had so many friends there and was such a good time, just logged out on top of MT ironforge with my wife, met another dwarf mage, we had a good laugh before the server shut down because he never got Ateish and my beard was bigger than hisand it was free, if you honestly want to play Blizzard.tm's classic + server then enjoy your bot infested hellhole, your GDKP, boosting,and Classic+ Subscription mount from Blizzard.tm and 0 active GM's for the low price of $20 a month, you deserve itIm not even mad, it was a hell of a journey, thank you turtle wow
>>738892274I'll keep enjoying what I like, I hope one day you can do the same.
>>738892327I know most people went to this area >>738891964but I wonder about all the people who went solo and were sat just chilling alone in their favourite place waiting for the server to die. Kind of bittersweet to think about.
I had a good time at the farewell event on Ambershire.
>>738892485You like same game, same zones, same fucking leveling for over 2 decades?Let me guess, u also level multiple times on pservers and say its the 1-60 thats fun so ur gonna kill those 12 boars until ur 70.Good for your mental illness i guess.
>>738892327Where did you guys park your character?As a kid I loved wc2 and anticipated wc3 and WoW at the same time, wanted to play a high elf and go to Dalaran and become a wizard.Arthas put a stop to that dream, great campaign though.I stopped playing wow in tbc, but when turtle wow was closing down I felt like now was a good time to live that initial fantasy. Had to rush through some last errands in game, thanks to a decked out paladin with Ashbringer I managed to get the light's hope flight path, fly from thalassian highlands to booty bay, and then hearthstone back to southshore and rush to Dalaran where I fished with my pet turtle beside me. Only had a few minutes to spare.
>>738892526>but I wonder about all the people who went solo and were sat just chilling alone in their favourite place waiting for the server to dieThere was a few. In the RP channel there were people just parking their characters in dead guild bases or random ghost towns. And the ocassional screenshot of some guild hanging around in the middle of no where.
Bros, why are female trolls kind of hot?>>738892181I just started playing that server and I've never played WOW. Great idea with the classless builds, but you have to wait to get to level 10 before you really get to do it. They should let you start picking skills at level 2 or even 5.
>>738891732You may leak the source code now. Preserve whar you have built.
>>738892526I logged out on the docks facing the sunset in Northwind, alone and enjoying the music
>Have American Devs on your team>The yank retards literally use fucking Glowiecord without VPNs instead of Telegram>Everyone gets doxxed by Discord because of it.Russian Turtle devs must be seething.Use Telegram/Signal, never use Discord, ALWAYS use VPN's on top of TOR if you're doing shit like this.
>>738892327all this sperging and reserve runs to get atiesh just so server shuts downgood riddance
>>738891964>moonwhisper coastWait where's that
>>738892526we did both, it was completely chaotic, i wanted to find a nice quiet spot for the characters to die and turns out some other people had the exact same idea, was kinda fun, and those two dwarves i spoke to on mt ironforge are gone forever, dust in the wind, its bittersweet yea
MOM ELTRNT
>>738892789You meme and such, but Turtle's been up and running for 8 years.even in retail any of your progression is irrelevant when the next expansion drops every 2 years
>>738892780Real russians would just remove them from the team, completely cut ties and continue. While the americans are forced to rope themselves by the greatest country.
I love anybody I interacted with. <3
>>738892327>>738892849Damn that’s the most kino way to go out
>>738892846Custom zone. Turtle's full of them.
>>738892573You like the same food, same tastes, same fucking texture for over 2 decades?Let me guess, u also eat multiple times in the same restaurant and say its the service is good so ur gonna eat those eggs and bacon until ur 70.Good for your mental illness i guess.
>>738892789i got ateish years ago, who are you even referring to?
>>738892846Nowhere. It doesn't exist anymore.
>>738892526I parked my character in Auberdine. It was always my favourite place.>>738892846Turtle WoW zone, North of Azshara.
>>738892947>food analogybodied that freak with your newfag rhetoric
>>738892947Only someone who doesnt leave his room and plays classic wow pservers would type such nonsense.But i have to thank you, i would never want to be close to such smell
>>738893001>AuberdineBased taste. I parked my character north of Darkshore overlooking the coast and Teldrassil.
>>738893007you know you dont get upvotes for this right?
Forgot to log in one last time.Gonna miss my Warlock and the Turtle original Areas.
>>738893036anon not the guy, but maybe just chill for today, theres no need to be so rude to someone you dont know because of a video game, these things should be beneath a normal person, maybe take a walk or something if you havnt already today
guild wars chads win again
Sat down on the hill overlooking the secret Tauren Farm on the coast of Silithus. No other MMO compares.
>>738891732Blizzard has blood on their hands
Haven't played in a couple of years but here's the screenshot from when my hardcore vagabond (white/grey items only) warrior hit 60. It was a proud feeling.Twow was fun.
>>738893229no sense in arguing with a bitter idiot entering a thread on a subject he hates, theres probably a shortage of fotm threads right now so he doesnt have a place to spit his venom, leave him to his misery
>>738893020>sic semper trannieslul
>>738893098you know your random food analogy and subsequent non-sequitur meant nothing, right?
>>738893343What misery, im in joy seeing all the genuinely ill people and troons losing their toy.
Maybe use that creative energy to make your own game, get raped shenna
>>738892327Server was 80% ESLs and the endgame stuff barely worked. Also paladins being overtuned
>fag on /v/ tries to convince me to play on Turtle>tell him I don't want to waste time on a server that'll probably get shutdown>he calls me an idiotOh how the tables have turned...
>>738893264I was playing gw1 since the beta right until EoTN came out. 13 year old brat leading a guild of grown ass adults to victories in PVP was a hilariously fun experience. Still WoW made more of an impact on me back then and actually I got to make lifelong friends.Pre Social Media/Smartphone era MMOs were fun.
>>738893671i mean it's a pretty dumb claimall pservers run that risk not just from dmca or whatever, but from inactivity as welleven official games get shut down
Is it worth resubbing? What's the new expansion like
>>738892146return of reckoning is still peak
>>738892146ff14 is one of the best games ever created, it's ok to admit that
>>738893671All mmos will get shutdown, it's the experience that's important I'm glad I spent 100 hours on twow for free at my own pace instead of giving blizzard 15$ a month so I can keep some data on a server somewhere
>>738893264I play(ed) both.
>>738893864ffxiv is a "play for three months, quit for two years" type of game
>>738891732I stopped playing after the server got popular but that sucks
why did it closerino it's doorserino
>>738893793>>738893865WoW is never getting shut down. Feels good all my hours and achievements over 2 decades still exist while all yours is gone and all it cost me was being a decent human being and not a crook ;)
>>738894023>achievements
>played on Turtle WoW between 2018-2023>quit because bored, and also because Turtle's been on a roll with development lately that I knew if I took a 2-4 year break and came back the game would feel like a brand new game>come back literally a week before the announcement of shut down, roll a new alt>twow in 2023 felt like a magical experience, but now in 2026 it felt even better>all of my old friends I made from the early days are no where to be seen >oh well I'll make new friends>week later>turtle wow announces it's shutting down in a month>"oh">still take my time to level slowly>watch the servers drop in population from 6000 to less than 200 in the span of 2-3 days>leveling in a literal ghost town with some of the most soulful custom content I've ever seen in a fan game>reach 60 2 days before shut-down>made comfy friends with some of the RP guilds that stayed, but still feel like an outsider, but hang out at their events and shit>final hour of the server>notice one of my old buddies I haven't seen since 2022 logged in>spend the last hour as the only two members of our old RP guild from way back in the day reminiscing and pseudo-RPing the end of the world>asks me for my discord>don't have discord or social media because autist>server diesFeels bad man.
>>738894023aw shit it's a real life <Breast Milk Bandit>!
>>738894017The rumor mill is that Classic+ is coming. Vanilla but with changes to improve the experience. Can't have Turtle WoW which offers a better version of that next door.
>>738894023Your achievements from WoTLK are fucking meaningless lmao. Nothing you did in 2009 reasonable affects your character in 2026.
>>738893876Factions was the best. Still listen to the OST to this day.
>stop playing wow>life dramatically improvesdaily reminder to play this soul sucking game you literally need to harm your health and potential
>>738893556but im actually happy, it was a good journey and we all had a fun time, i know your really trying to get a rise out of me but im not sure your actually sentient so it doesn't really mean anything, turtle wow was awesome, im gonna miss it but the time i spent there with my wife and all our guildmates was a blast
>>738894017One of the community managers that handles advertising and being the face of the community was an American and apparently he kept on poking the hornet's nest with taunting Blizzard on twitter and youtube.Blizzard actually threatened to go after all of Turtle WoW's American team members, including people who weren't actually a part of the team but just contributed to the server in meaningful ways like addon creators, freelance artists, server e-celebs, etc.Turtle shut down to protect its American team.
>>738894158>stop playing *retail wowFixed. Vanilla is good because it ends.
>>738893671i dont really think that applies here Twow was up for 8 years, the official Classic Servers lasted just over a year and a half before they shunted everyone to TBC
>>738894284he's just new and believes that acting as mean as he can possibly be makes him fit in on 4chan.orghe's in for a rough awakening when he gets in somebody's face in real life and gets his ass physically knocked unconscious
>>738894319yeah it was totally the lol fuck blizzard advertising that every private server does and definitely not the fact that it was classic+ and blizzard wants to do its own classic+ which is just a rip off of turtle wow with exactly the same features right down to high elves.
>>738891732Now it's time for us all to shut down in real life
>>738894381You owned him, bro! Let's pretend that another server with a donation shop -- Stormforge, the BC/MoP spot -- did not also shut down!! They even offered a monthly "sub" for benefits which was more than Turtle did lol
>>738894381No, that was actually it. Blizzard even went after Shagu and forced him to take down his addons, who's been making private server addons since Nost, just because he made a bunch of Turtle-exclusive addons.
>>738893793It's not a dumb claim because it fucking happened.>all pservers run that riskAnd that's exactly why I don't waste time on pservers.
>>738894381I cant believe blizzard is dumb enough to think that killing the most soulful rendition of Classic + imediatly before they announce their paid version which will be filled with bots, like every single other server they ever made was a good idea, its like the corpos at acticision forgot how to be human or something, i will for the rest of my life however long that is, never give blizzard a single penny for what theyve done
>>738894506They dont give a shit about you, you're poor. 99% of their revenue comes from the 5% of whales they attract.
>>738894485>blizzard who couldnt have a single fucking active GM with their billion dollar revinue in any of their classic servers for years goes out of their way to harass someone who made FREE addons for a private serverSurely these people are worse than hitler, like unironically, to the depths with them
bots are the main reason why i can't get into these games againit's the most depressing thing to ever witness, I don't like private servers but fuck it feels good to play in a place where it's just people
>>738894319>>738894381I've been talking to one of the RP GMs who was a literal volunteer (wasn't paid, didn't really know anything about what Turtle's developing behind the scenes, wasn't in the secret channels with most of Turtle's development staff etc, and only just had GM commands and he was going on about how Blizz threatened to sue him and even had people come to his door and deliver physical letters.
>>738894612im not even sure what your post is trying to accomplish, of course retards who give money to big companies exist, i just like good video games and i think it would be better if the people who worked for actiblizz caught on fire
>>738894725>im not even sure what your post is trying to accomplishQuestion why you're posting at all then
Even though I got banned a few years ago for razzing their trannies in worldchat, it's sad to see it go because it was genuinely a good server aside from the trannies and tranny jannies.
>>738894660I honestly wish that everyone involved in Actiblizz got teleported to a planet made entirely out of feces and urine, and hurricanes of aids infected syringe needles
>its called twow>its filled to the brim with trans wow players
>>738894832Funnily enough Turtle let up and stopped policing the world chat as much and ironically you started to see more actual trannies get banned or muted and any "trans pride <3" talk was labeled political speech and banned from public channels lol
>>738894738why are YOU posting at all then, lmao
>>738894935Because I am talking about why, you're talking about you, no one cares about you.
>>738894725His post does explain everything though; zombie actiblizzard has already burned every bridge actual blizzard ever built and thrown away every bit of goodwill its fans ever had. They know they're only getting money from actually mentally ill wow addicted whales now and the only thing they can do is keep filling the pig trough with more wowslop and killing the free servers that are their competition for that market. They know they won't get a huge wave of normal returning players, they're doing this in the hopes of poaching a few dozen whales who'll buy wow tokens and boosts and race changes or whatever the fuck every month with all their disability money
>>738893446>subsequent non-sequiturbet you think you sound smart saying this
>>738894725>i just like good video gamesthen you would be playing retail, not troontle wow
>>738895047You are 14-25 years old and will never fit in to 4chan.org LOL
>>738894960no your talking about me, im talking about a world of warcraft vanilla server, your really weird lmao
>>738895109its pronounced 4channel.org sweaty
>>738893864Retail mogs xiv since it actually had challenging content to do
>>738894494Sorry, i should have clarified. I meant that what that anon said to you was a dumb claim, not yours. You are right to not trust pservers in that regard (and many others, like that one maplestory pserver which spied on users).
>>738895145>sweatyYou will always be new to 4chan LOL
>>738895065i know that your not actually playing retail, noone here is, your just trying to start a fight for no real reason, your attempts to anger me are quite mediocre, you should rethink your life, I'm being sincere
>>738891732I was using twow for around 4 years or so anytime I got the itch to play it for short time frames every few weeks or rather months in between. Never really raided and just kept to myself or doing random dungeons.Simply logged in to just feel the vibes I had 20 years ago. Kinda sad it's gone now as some of the new areas were really soulful imo.
>>738895217im literally playing retail right nowits the most popular MMO by a mile
Bowser said the discord wouldn't be going down which is unusual as blizzard could have made them do that, and that there would be an announcement in June, also unusual if the server is now dead and gonemy bet is on them trying to create an original IP MMO that never sees release, but you are welcome to cope that a blizzard sanctioned official or semi-official turtle server could be coming
>>738895271if its gonna be some unreal slop garbage its already over
>>738895271more likely they're "officially disbanding" to comply with the court ruling for those who are actually exposed to the american legal system and are having the team members who live in countries that don't give a flying fuck about burger lawsuits restart the servers in russia
>>738895271Also this announcement right after the severs went down, implying at least some of the team is staying together for "future plans" and encouraging the community to stick around
>>738895462forgot screenshot
>>738895271While I am mildly interested in whatever this "June announcement" becomes, I think Bowser has a bad case of "not shutting his fucking mouth".
Why doesn't Blizzard just say >okay you can keep the server up but give us 50% of the profits, in exchange you can use some of our datacentersand welcome the new revenue stream? Surely it would be piss easy for a massive corpo like that to absorb the team
>>738895462Could be another pserver for a different mmo.
>>738895552>babby's first introduction to ASPD (anti-social personality disorder)4chan is an 18+ website.
>>738895267im sorry but i honestly dont believe you, again, its bad bait, noone sane is really playing whatever retail wow even is
>>738895552Suits think that sort of thing cheapens their brand. If they legitimise private servers and then hundreds of janky barely functional servers full of wrongthink pop up then they start to worry that's how consumers will perceive their product
>>738895194you type like a fat person
uhmm but all the trannys on /v/ told me it is LITERALLY impossible for blizzard to take down twow and the court settlement means nothing
>>738895065>then you would be playing retailwhat does modern wow do better than any other mmo on the market? ffxiv, gw2, albion, etc
>>738895641>noone sane is really playing whatever retail wow even iswhat it is, is an MMO with actually good gameplay which no variant of vanilla WoW can claimthats why people play it, thats why its way more popular than anything else
>>738895552Microsoft wants absolute control over its IPs, meeting people halfway with creative input on them isn’t gonna fly. The recent. pressure being ratcheted up on private servers is due to them and their influence
>>738895552Because they want 100% profits from people playing Classic+, and they don't want a competing server that might show up their efforts.
>>738895682>everybody I don't like is FATlmao you are underage
>>738895749you still type like a fatty, fatty
>>738895527Lel that emote of the girl face called :likeomg: is her spreading her asshole into the camera.
>>738895552Blizzard doesn't want half, they want the whole thing. Just look at how they fumbled DotA and eSports.
>>738895780>offtopic flamewar proprogationuh oh, fatso can't leave his home and act this way toward people in meatspace or he'd get his fat fucking disgusting ass killed lol
>>738892146...monsters and memories
>>738895834ywnbt
>>738893671>and this was 8 years ago
>>738891882There are truly people who don't know anything that isn't WoW. They are physically incapable of ever moving on, and often too old and out-of-touch to connect with something new even if they seriously tried.
>>738895527>trans flag on the raid post>no trans flag on the goodbye postkinda funny desu
>>738895881What does you being new to 4chan have to do with turtle wow?
>>738892087MY SHADOW
>>738895708Right off the bat healers in WoW mog every other game and its not even close. XIV can almost compete with WoW in terms of raiding but the soulless gearing, inability to make mechanics that arent just move in/out of position, lack of interesting utility and again theterrible healing mechanics make it fall to 2nd place. GW2 and Albion obviously cant come closeWoW is also king of small group content with m+. Fractals cant compare
>>738895941you sound like a spastic
>>738895992healing like what?
>>738895552because turtle wow is unironically, infinitely better than anything blizzard has made in over a decade, i didnt see a single bot in 3 years, they had actual GM's who i spoke to every now and again, GDKP was banned, boosting was banned you actually had to play the game to level the raids scaled to a certain degree so you could have 40 active raiders and if a few dps didnt show up you would be fine, the server was constantly being updated sideways so more leveling zones and quests not just more raids, in fact in thae entire time there was only 1 raid that was harder than NAXX and everything else was in multiple directions so youd get a lvl 14-18 dungeon in ironforge mountain some times or a raid between BWL and aq40 some other timeFor blizzard to take those people under their wing they would have to acknowledge that a small team is better at them at making their own game despite being a literal multi million dollar company with near infinite resources and access to every single wow asset possibleSoon, they WILL anounce classic +, there will be bots, they will fly hack through the skies, they will do a bot banning wave every 4 months to make it look like their doing something, there will be no GM's, the server will fill with GDKP spam and people selling gold from the bots that they never dealt with, and it will be the exact same shit show that classic/tbc/som/wotlk was and you will also have to pay for it, with the promise of a mount if you buy a yearly subscription, and then finally when they cant wring anything else out of it they will release the wow token, it will probably last abut a year and i will be like "i told you so", just wait
INB4 classic+ has worse content than turtlewow
>>738895732blizzard has done this multiple times before and has fucked real people over much harder than the turtle team have been over private servers, long before Microsofthttps://www.gamespot.com/articles/blizzard-wins-885-million-world-of-warcraft-lawsuit/1100-6273581/
>>738896018healing like casting healing spells, whereas in XIV you spend >50% of your time mashing 1 button to do damage and never ever triage because its designed for consoletards
>>738895149ff14 can get very difficult. but difficulty is not the only metric that should matter. it has better writing/story/characters, art direction, glams/armor/clothing, more fun things to do like performance mode and the golden saucer, has more involved and fun rp and housing, and it has arguably the greatest soundtrack in history. not just in gaming, in any medium.
so is classic plus coming out soon?
>>738896089you said it's better, how is it better?
Turtlewow died when they did their shitty class overhauls that conveniently turned paladin into an unstoppable god class.
>>738892652They gave it to Blizzard.
>>738895994You will never at any point fit into 4chan and you would have your hands sawed off if you met somebody like me IRL <3
>>738895552ever since kotick raped blizzard the company turned into a worse version if israel, everything bad about nublizzard tracks to that child fucker
>>738896134its better because youre actually healing not mashing a very shallow dps rotation but with a green class icon
>>738896191You sound very tough.
>>738893325>>738893020>didn't even succeedMaybe trans women really are women
Seeing how big Turtle got made me wish for an epic Tera pserver. One before content got nerfed and BAMs shot out back. But I'm glad you wow players have something big to enjoy, since other games aren't as lucky to get the same pserver treatment.
>>738896169It was shit for pvp balance but then pvp in vanilla wow really wasn't that good anyway. Before that patch healing and prot tank paladins were both good. They also made shadow priests pretty good for a few weeks (I was playing one) and then nerfed the group patch healing and mana restoration so they went back to being not so good.
>>738896280Why do you keep making such a big fucking deal about being new to 4chan.org? Why can't you answer a simple question?
>>738895160It's okay.
>>738896058>i didnt see a single bot in 3 yearsBecause the industrial bot farmers don't play on private servers, there's no one to sell to on those because the player base isn't big enough.
>>738896319I miss my meido Elin...
>>738894381>which is just a rip off of turtle wow with exactly the same features right down to high elves.Right down to a popular race that's been in warcraft since warcraft 2?It's not exactly a concept turtle wow came up with
>>738896330What was the question? You never asked one
>>738896058Blizzard classic+ is going to be a halfassed turtle wow clone, same addition of zones and quest hubs in the level ranges that lacked them in vanilla, they'll fix the useless shit specs the same way(protip: they were useless in vanilla because they lacked mana regen and would be oom a minute in to a 15 minute raid boss fight), they'll add some dungeons with gear that sucks way less than vanilla gear and gives casters actual damage. The main difference is it'll all be gay and lame, and then once everything is released and they have to do something new, they'll just start adding new raid tiers and nothing else because Blizzard is incapable of learning anything.
>>738896373What do you believe to be a "big-enough" player base?Take your time.
>>738894376i can literally log in and play my vanilla character on the exact same server i started on in 2019
>>738896321It was shit for everything. They raped the priest trees just to create some sort of faggy disc dps spec. It wasnt vanilla+
>>738896379I miss my big scary zerker and sexy castanic slayer. I miss soloing BAMs.I miss being a menace (not particularly a good one) in pvp.
>>738896408Which boss fight is 15 minutes long?
>>738896457Well if there's botters, it's big enough, if there's no botters, it's not big enough. It's all based on demand from gold buyers.
>>738896408>15 minute raid boss fightoh no it's the samefagging newfag
>>738896551Actually schizo tranny containment server was lost. Now hundreds of schizo wowtrannies will filter into other games/servers and fuck them up.
>>738896373turtle wow had around 2300 people in a single zone just a few hours ago on one of its servers dispite it being technically dead for over 3 weeks now, at its peak it had between 7-8k playersthe difference is, the turtle wow devs actually dealt with the bots and gold sellers, and anyone who bought gold for that matter, they actually had GM's, they wrent flyhacking across dun morogh in public vieew like the classic servers
Classic + is just going to be modernizing classic.SoD should've been indicative of that.
>>738896408vanilla is about leveling, classic+ even moresoblizzard doesn't understand that, most players don't understand that even while acknowledging that the best wow server around is the one with a huge levelling focus because they don't know what's good for themclassic+ is doomed because it will be developed by people who don't know what it needs to be and they'll be getting their feedback from people who don't know what they want
>>738891732Oh no, now Shenna needs to find new goons and chumps to make money off. Tragic.
>>738896473yea, and then you can do a dungeon run with the 4 other people on a server that hasn't had a single update in over 7 years
people only tolerated the changes and additions turtle wow made because it wasn't made by blizzard, and it was free.
>>738896493Me playing TERA happened in such a dark uneventful timeframe I nearly forgot everything I was doing in it except for cute Elin clothing simualtor.Soloing BAMs though with different Classes I haven't forgotten though. One of the greatest MMO experiences to me.
>>738896620Turtle wow staff dealt with gold farmers, because selling gold and items to people was their exclusive cartel activity.
>>738896684>schizo boogeyman
>>738896668>vanilla is about levelingif this is true, why is the leveling dogshit?
>>738896620>they wrent flyhacking across dun morogh in public vieew like the classic serversLel did this happen? Video? I wanna see
>>738896116Nobody knows when it'll release but they'll announce it at Blizzcon for sure
>>738896745Because you were bad at it and probably not a social person.
>>738896567Turtle wow had over 7k players, there were no bots, because they wanted the server to be good and got rid of the bots and gold sellers, blizzard just didnt give a shit and let them roam free because they were paying a sub, the bots on private servers dont pay a sub so the people who run the server arent financially incentivised to ignore them
>>738896668Vanilla is about camping grey lowbies for hours until everyone on the server is crying about you.
>>738896620>at its peak it had between 7-8k playersYeah that's a tiny ass market, I'm not surprised botters didn't put much effort into it.
>>738896714devil's advocate:it's better for goldselling and shit to be an exclusive activity, when it's out in the open the entire game loses the point
>>738896620Don't bother.You are interacting with narcissistic 12-25 year olds who genuinely believe that their 2010s newfag buzzwords ("tranny", "cope", "schizo"; to name a few) cause their "perceived opponent" to writhe on the floor in physical agony.
>>738896745>why is the leveling dogshitif that was true WoW would never have taken off because no one would have played the game long enough to hit maxthe leveling experience is what made this game, you've lost sight of it because the dungeons and zones are all familiar to you now, which is the point of classic+
>>738896804not possible to be bad at autoattacking
>>738896191>would have your hands sawed off if you met somebody like me IRL <3Name the time and place and say that to my face buddy.
>>738896527Before the game was solved and everyone knew that just stacking warriors and paladin healers with infinity world buffs was the best strategy to raid in vanilla there were a bunch of bosses that could last that long. Because people were dealing about 1/10th the amount of damage.
Anyone have that long-winded schizobabble pic from /vg/ that's the supposed "leaks" for the changes they're making in classic+
>>738893020>>738893325>Turtle WoW shuts down>desire to shoot up school instead of Blizzard HQAny Americans care to explain that logic?
>>738896810Blizzard lets bots and gdkp exist because 75% of their player base wouldnt play the game unless they could buy everything with gold.
>>738896845>nigga didn't even use skillsYou were bad. Deal with it.
>>738896849Pick a public location within the continental 48 States for us to meet within a month.
>>738896876Trannies are mindraped best goy golems
>>738891882>officialYes>pserversNo.The key is to not give Blizzard your money
>>738896842>if that was true WoW would never have taken off because no one would have played the game long enough to hit maxthis was a prolific issue, which blizzard talked about at length and is why they revamped it early on in Catathey saw tens of millions of players drop the game early on while leveling because it was so ass
>>738892146Jeffrious Shroomsteinius
>>738896919It was the only really good pserver though
>>738896909You challenged me bud, I'm ready to go, name the place and saw my hands off.
>>738896319there was tera classic a little bit ago, but it was closed due to various reasons, should be getting relaunched soon though
>>738896747i wish i had the vid, search youtube theres a tonne of flyhacking bots in every era of wow blizz ever made
>>738896850>newfag claiming to be an oldfag by quoting debunked fakeloreTiresome
>>738896668Vanilla is about leveling, it's about grouping up and running to dungeons that you have to fight just to get into, it's about world pvp, it's about raiding and that's very much including highly involved retarded attunements that require you to get help from multiple people as well as getting the crafted resist gear and high end consumables. What made Vanilla World of Warcraft magical was the "World" part. Every stupid instance of streamlining that players thought they wanted just made the game worse. Every attempt by Blizzard to compartmentalize leveling, raiding, world pvp, instanced battleground pvp and instanced arena pvp was a tremendous disservice to the experience.
>>738896931?WotLK had the highest player count ever recorded.Ur a silly goose
>>738896876i mean, they have been bombarded for decades about how killing people is good if you think you are on the right side of history
>>738896687i have 2 raids a week. those are 40 man raids btw no crossfactionbut thank you for correcting the 1 year to 7 years
>>738897007>attunementYou can get attuned to MC in 5 minutes.1 minute if a warlock summons you.
>>738896931They had 12 million subscribers and were upset at the thought that they could have had more if only they could retain more players that were dropping before hitting maxturns out those people were just never going to like WoW and no matter how much they shit up the game trying to appeal to people who weren't interested in playing it they never reached that 12 million peak again
>>738891882new games fucking suck
>>738896876Burgerclap here.Guy probably wanted as much attention as possible and eliciting feelings of guilt and blood on the hands of who ever transgressed them. It's retarded, yes, I know.
>>738897019The point he's making is that most of those never hit even level 60, let alone 80. If you can make players stick around through endgame they'll keep paying you longer, that's why blizzard revamped things.
>>738891882what else can you play while at work
>>738896817the current BIGGEST wow classic server, which is on pandaria now is the Paggle server, with estimated 5k playershttps://ironforge.pro/population/classic/there are bots on paggle right now, and blizzard is doing nothing because they are probably 20% of the population, so lets be real there's probably only 4000 players, on the BIGGEST remaining wow server, go lick boot harder you degenerate
>>738891732How long before Turtle WoW private servers pop up?
>>73889719114 days
>>738897185I'm not defending Blizzard, I'm explaining to you why botters don't put in effort to bot on small private servers.
>>738897048its still infinitely worse and you have to pay for it, what was this meaningful update you were joyous to receive only a year ago, was it another Store mount for the low price of $70?
>>738897191Everything was "leaked" already. A new turtle will be up and running from russia in a month.
I liked the tongue in cheek joke that you could get the fabled programmer socks on Nord from a vendor at the final event party.
>>738897185its "pagle", you illiterate shitskin
>>738892780>use VPN's on top of TORAnon that is the exact opposite of what you should do
>>738897191There's already two I know of off the top of my head, some Brazillian server that only allows a couple hundred people to log in at a time and whatever octowow isBoth are based on the 1.17.2 server core that is only available because it was full of backdoors put in by a disgruntled former dev who used them to take over the server, leak the source and could have uploaded malware to players through the client via RCE at any time, and we have no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to do that again to any server running the source he himself leaked and outright said still had the backdoors
>>738897271why would i want an update?
Pandaria was such a turd flop this time around. Rose tinted nostalgia goggles sure are a bitch.
>>738897236small private servers that are somehow bigger than the official servers, your either fucking retarded or blizzard are paying you to do damage control, and I'm sincere they actually pay people to do that, which is weird because they don't hire people to be fucking GM's anymore
>>738897310>its GLORP SHITTO you fucking bigot!
>>738896817>Yeah that's a tiny ass marketbro, that's online at ONCE, not total players online through the day. Also there were 2 servers that tended to each hit about 7k primetime on weekends. Over a month you're talking about 50k+ users
>>738897019and the retention was assif you get 70 million players but only 10m stay around at the peak youve lost 85% of your players. Says a lot about how shit leveling was>>738897087>turns out those people were just never going to like WoW and no matter how much they shit up the gamethe game is significantly better without dogshit leveling padding>they never reached that 12 million peak againthey didnt have as many new players flooding in to pad the numbers. If retention rate was still as abysmal as it was in Wrath the game would have died by the end of MoP when it stopped getting new players
>>738897350Nobody was nostalgic for it, everyone laughed at the idea of anything beyond wotlk "classic" and that's why it flopped, because nobody played it
>>738893020 >>738893325 that shit has to be shopped jej
>>738897310>makes completely correct point and references actual server sizes completely wining the argument entirely> but what's this? he miss spelled pagle, hah, now i've got himTake the wig off
I'm going to miss my Smite Priest so much.May you crit for 3k in heaven. Or rather, hell, since he was an Undead.
>>738897431>Says a lot about how shit leveling wasYeah well it must have gotten even worse in cata because the player retention became 0
>>738897415Yeah and that's small, why would I set up a bot farm for that when I could get one running for OSRS, it has 122k people on right now. Where's the incentive?
classic wow calls to me like the green goblin mask but i killed kt once in twow and then quit after working on our guild like a jobnothing filled the void like it but it was more like structural integrity on the tunnel down to the void cause the void was still there at the endgame
I have not taken a single screenshot of twow and I played it for 3 years.
>>738897065yeah sure, now what about bwl, aq and naxx?
>>738897528>Where's the incentive?The incentive is that it's almost free to set up you absolute imbecile
Is there any good WotLK server?
>>738897431>player count collapsed when the new and improved leveling system was introducedYou're just wrong and you're bad. Idk what else to tell you.
>underage newfags be likeraWR why don't you want to party with me when I will be as rude and volatile as possible around you ??????
>>738897553>>738897553Come on anon.Don't you want to start over and kill KT again?You know you want to. You don't even need to run a guild next time. Think of the cozy fun.
>>738897615I know, that's why I used OSRS as an example, it has f2p and that's where the majority of bots are.
>>738891945ThisI'm done. It was a good ride. I don't need whatever Blizzard's got, they got outdone by a bunch of randos and now it's a memory.
>>738891732If only the regular servers would do the same.
>>738897736There are bots everywhere you shit eating moron because they're free, if there's an opportunity to bot 3rd worlders will take it
>>738897673>You don't even need to run a guild next time.i play too much. people respect me too intrinsically. i know what needs to be done. i have a hard time ignoring when things are done incorrectly.
>>738897841Okay, and?
>>738892146fiesta online
>>738897789Same. I'm really sad it's over but I feel no more compulsion to play WoW anymore. Might be a good thing, who knows. Going to miss twow but ah well, everything has to end, also fuck blizzard's garbage they're working on.
>>738897879Did you forget what you're arguing about?
Any good mmos to play?
>>738892274>mmos are deadfalse>you will never be 15 againwhat does that have to do with mmos? I didnt have internet at that age let alone played wow
>>738897624>>738897517>another episode of ESLs dont know the difference between total and retentionalways shitskins in classic threads, can you favela monkeys learn to read or stay on your on shitty spic speak website
>>738897897Market size, 100k > 8k, so there's nothing left to argue.
>>738891732S to spit
>>738891732fuck shenna, fuck vanilla plus trannies, fuck faggots, fuck niggers, and fuck troons. Everyone who actually liked this furfaggot palanigger dickwank server can eat shit and die. go back to your pride parade fucking jail cell in retail.
>>738897878there is a certain satisfaction when doing it yourself, even the dirty bits of work
>>738896702I think you're mostly right.I only started playing very recently, it was nice to play as a high elf.I explored some of the new zones and quests, but it's not really that good.If I could pick between just vanilla wow, or turtle wow I think I still lean vanilla.Another section to deadmines and and wailing caverns, a low level frost troll dungeon doesn't really make the game better.There's stuff you could do along those lines, but it would have to come from someone who has a better vision than turtle wow. I don't expect Blizzard to pull it off though.The effort is cool, but they're not really doing anything Blizzard couldn't do, just stuff that Blizzard chose not to do.Geography is complicated, World of Warcraft the game and the world of Warcraft aren't the same thing, it takes like 15 minutes to fly from quel'thalas to booty bay, in game, but in lore that's a continent it takes days or weeks, that's not practical for an mmo though so you shrink it down and focus on certain set pieces more. For WoW they recreated the world of Warcraft by designing roughly rectangular zones clumped together often with mountains between them, the player isn't supposed to see the inbetween areas, or just from certain angles. Turtlewow expanded by filling those which is a bit of a dim approach. Similarly with open spaces they'd sometimes just plop down some doodads without appreciating what an open plain does to the scenery.I didn't do the high end stuff, maybe there were big improvements there.
>>738897953Right. The player count dropping by 25% actually means more people are playing for longer. Somehow this proves retention was higher.Brother just take the L and move on.
>>738898008i have undiagnosed chronic depression and audhd. my dopamine receptors are fried. i don't feel satisfaction.one day when i do get myself medicated maybe i'll look back on it and feel good but it's been a year or so and it feels like a job still.
>>738898002You are new to 4chan and expect everybody to be mad and angry for no reason like you are LOL I wish we could meet so I could take your life in self-defense.
You know that Blizzard bribed them to do it. Turtle was hosted outside the US so they could've just told Blizz to eat a dick. But with classic+ around the corner Blizz wants no competition. No coincidence that the same thing happened to Nostalrius not long before Classic was announced
>>738898165>Turtle was hosted outside the US so they could've just told Blizz to eat a dickYeah bro!!! Just ignore that Microsoft (who owns Blizzard) obtained the real life personal information of most people involved in the development of TWoW!!
>>738898165Yeah but if they did they could just come out and say it, making Blizzard look even worse
>>738898165of 13 devs, 1 lives in Russia, 1 lives in the US, and 11 live in the EUSo 12 of 13 of them were facing having their lives ruined
>>738898056yes that is exactly what happens when the number of incoming players is lower you stupid shitskin
>>738892146You aren’t getting a good answer. If you found the type of mmo you like (private or not) then it won’t get better.
>>738892780>ALWAYS use VPN's on top of TORyou're an actual retard
>>738898301Defer to the increasing number of players during TBC and the consistent number of players during WotLK then the sudden and sharp and only drop in player count ever seen in WoW history at that point shortly after the new and improved leveling was released.Just take the L and move on.
>>738898018It was nice being able to play any spec you want and not be a useless retard while leveling, as well as spell cleave groups being dead and leveling not being so meta and rushed. The main appeal was the slow-paced nature of the server and players.
AWR
So.Where to now?
>>738896185Did they really?Because it's obvious Blizzard would never use it.
>>738898439None, it's done. Everything else will just be botted to hell, meta-faggotry, or have devs that have no clue what is going on.
>>738898439https://youtu.be/tg2PD-dwsIw?si=nY2wzDdN3dzRgPHT
Come to XIV!
damn shame
>>738898538I resubbed with the Evercold announcement. Now im catching up through the post DT msq.
>>738898602>msqyuuuucky yuck yuck no good uh-uh no thanks me no wantbad bad badbad mmo
>>738898538Not after my friends quit. Don't think they'll come back and neither will I if that is the case. I am NOT dealing with randoms in that game. Not again anyway.
>>738898669:(
>>738892327I feel genuine pity for you. You are trying to frame this as some beautiful cinematic sendoff, but the reality is you and your wife just wasted thousands of hours of your finite lives on a bootleg server that was guaranteed to die from day one. This is what happens when you substitute real world achievements with hoarding virtual items and chasing nostalgia. You have absolutely nothing to show for any of it now except deleted database rows. Please take this as a wakeup call to go outside and actually build a life with your wife instead of sitting around waiting for the next illegal vanilla server to launch so you can throw your 40s away doing the exact same thing.
>>738898731TRVKE
>nooo you have to play the pozzed ass bot-infested shit blizzard product!
>>738898731All video games are a waste of time.
>>738898731Bro you're posting an essay on 4chan video game board
>>738898906No I don't
>>738898378Again, you disgusting subhuman, when you arent flooding the game with new players then even with higher retention you can have a net loss. If Wrath lost 15 mil players while adding 15 mil new ones you would have terrible retention but still break even on sub numbers.TONS of new players joined during wrath, but its retention was so abysmal the subs basically flatlinedLeveling was so bad that over 70% of trial characters dropped the game near instantlyhttps://www.engadget.com/2010-02-11-70-of-trial-players-quit-wow-before-level-10.html
>>738891882>DUDE JUST PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME>fails to ever name a single other game worth playing
>>738898731>that was guaranteed to die from day onelil bro i got bad news about your whole life
GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE TROONDLE WOWHOPE EVERY HIGH ELF PLAYING TRANNY FUCKING KILLS THEMSELVES
>>738898538eww kys tranny
Back to retail, sisters!
>>738898731>having thousands of hours of fun with your loved onesI hope I don't suffer this fate
>>738892652Honestly they're cowards for not doing it, not like anyone outside of the US is getting charged>>738898450>Did they really?Yes that's standard for these types of law suits though it has nothing to do with them planning to use it that's just schizobabble
>>738899038So? There's nothing to compare those numbers to any other expansion and there's nothing to show if this is normal retention or not.The only thing that is known is that cataclysm's new and improved leveling experience lead to the first ever consistent drop in player count in WoW history.Brother just take the L and move on.
>>738891732and nothing of value was lost
>>738899038There's nothing to suggest Wrath had bad retention, trial accounts aren't even subs so that's not a good metric.
>>738891732good riddancethe sooner all forms of wow die the better
Shenna won
>>738898538I have to play 13 "final" fantasies beforehand, pass
>>738895870unironically this
>>738892614femtrolls would be very hot if they had better hair options
>>738899038>30% of people trying the demo stick with the game and buy itDo you have any idea how astronomically high that is?An average demo only has about a 5% successful purchase rate according to my extremely scientific research (google).Goddamn. If anything you just proved the opposite of your point lol
rest in piss
>>738891732Is there any server comparable?There were a lot of nice people I ran in to there, as my 1st WoW experience.I tried Chromiecraft but it feels dead comparatively
>>738899236>There's nothing to suggest Wrath had bad retentionWe know millions if not tens of millions joined during wraththis means millions or tens of millions quit to break even sub numbersits not complicatedOr do you think more players started in Cata than Wrath?>>738899236Trials are indicative of how wildly unpopular the leveling was.
>>738891964no refunds btw
we did it blizzbros haha fuck you pirates PAY FOR YOUR GAMES
>>738895783sauce
>>738899758READ you stupid shitskinonly 30% of players even made it partially through the trial. Thats not number of purchases, thats just showing of the people who tried the game most dropped it near instantly
>You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here
>>738899236Ghostcrawler, Tom Chilton, Mike Morhaime have all gone on record saying they both gained and lost subs like crazy during wotlk. Pretty sure some other devs said the same thing. We all call it churn but i think the specific phrase they used was "leaky bucket" if you want to find their press releases on it
>>738900282I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say half those people make it beyond.That's still an extremely high number of interested people.Could you imagine if like 15% of people who tried a sample at Costco bought the product? Holy fuck. That would be an amazing thing. Damn. Cata really fucked it all up didn't it?
>>738900282Show me cata's numbers right now then. If you cannot, then you are a gigantic faggot and a retard who has no right calling other people subhuman shitskins.(I looked it up BTW and it doesn't exist so you're just assuming the retention got better despite the numbers dropping)Just take the L, anon. It'll do you good.
>>738900326>I KNOW WHO I WANT TO TAKE ME HOME>I KNOW WHO I WANT TO TAKE ME HOME>I KNOW WHO I WANT TO TAKE ME HOMEtake me home....
>>738900427That popular chart image of sub popularity posted since Wrath still suggests that Wrath was the height of popularity.>>738900326>>738900751>stuck in my head since the server shutdownbad feels
>>738900608>I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say half those people make it beyond.why? Leveling slows dont, if 70% dropped by the 1/3 mark of the trial you would expect <5% to make it to 20, never mind buy the game>Could you imagine if like 15% of people who tried a sample at Costco bought the product?In store demos have a 30% purchase rate btw. 5% is for indie dev video games. And thats when the demo takes 0 investment at all
>>738900730>so you're just assuming the retention got better despite the numbers droppingdemonstrably did because WoW barely gets new players if it was still losing 20mil an expansion like it was in Wrath it would be gone long agoif faster leveling failed to help new players they would have rolled it back, instead theyve only accelerated it
i only played turtle a little bit years ago and i was walking by some dude in the barrens and he whispered me and called me a nigger
>>738901113>Sub numbers went down in an easy to read graph >A-actually t-hey went up because of this hidden number nobody including myself could see!!!!You're actually deranged
>>738901205what class/race where you playing as
>>738900834a hose can still fill a leaky bucket, the issue is once the hose turns off the bucket drains out
>>738901113>if if ifYeah but WotLK stayed consistent and strong where cata had the first drop off in wow history despite it's super awesome and improving leveling.So you have no evidence for your claim. You just saw the 70% number, assumed it was bad, then assumed it was better than whatever cata had despite there being no evidence for it and the first time in wow history where the player count consistently fell off.Are you SURE that YOU aren't the retarded subhuman shitskin?Holy shit brother just take the L this is getting embarrassing.
>>738901205
>>738901279undead warlock male
>>738901324Ah, see if you were an undead rogue, i'd have done the same.
>>738901280A hose can't fill a bucket with no bottom no matter how much it flows
>>738901205>spawn Echeyakee>druid I didn't see immediately tags it with moonfire>call him a niggerThe Barrens has always brought out the best in people.
>>738891732SGet fucked turtle wow troons Get woke go broke
>>738898731yea bro just go outside and do nothing or watch TV then you'll really have something tangible for all the time you enjoyed.
>>738898731leddit is that way ----->
>>738901318>Yeah but WotLK stayed consistentconsistently losing millions yeah. as has been repeatedly explained>You just saw the 70% number, assumed it was badit was bad. Its abysmally bad that people quit that early into leveling when they had a massive slog that would burn off even more players after>Are you SURE that YOU aren't the retarded subhuman shitskin?Im not the one whos brain is completely unable to understand what the word retention means
>>738898731You will never fit in to 4chan and will always be seen as a new outcast ROFLMAO
>>738892593Bloodhoof Village, where it all began. Unfortunately, I did not see anybody else during the last 10 minutes. I did throw a /moo in /yell and a couple replies.
>>738902329got a couple replies*
>>738892146GTA VI online is all you need in 1 year
>>738902236Show me cata's numbers and then explain the drop off.You can't. Because you're a retarded faggot.You just assumed a bunch of shit and you're just doubling down when the logic doesn't add up. Look, it's getting late for me. I gotta get up early. You're the kind of guy who doesn't like to admit when he's wrong. Your izzat has been attacked and you must defend it at all costs.I'll do you a favor. I'm going to bed. You can claim victory and keep this retarded delusion which I easily deboonked. You can get the last word in. You can cope and claim that you accept my concession. This will make you feel better. Sounds good, doesn't it?Okay, little guy. Have at it.I'm laughing at you BTW.Kk bye
>>738902329What server? Nord and Tela were both packed in the capital cities and Moonwhisper.
>>738902530Nord. Moonwhisper was packed, and a sizable portion ventured off with the devs to the turtle mount trip to wherever. I was surprised I did not see anybody at Bloodhoof.
>>738893607shitter vanillafags whining about paladins actually being playable for once will NEVER get old for mei didnt even play turtle, but i supported its existence solely because it made asshurt niggerfaggots like you seethe endlessly at the fact that paladin could do more than just be a braindead 1 button healbotfuck tigole and furor too while we're at it
>>738902803>fuck tigole and furorbasedI hope that new western slop garbo fails hard
>>738902497>and then explain the drop off.I already did shitskinCata didnt have a constant deluge of new players like Wrath did>you're just doubling down when the logic doesn't add up. its basic fucking math you subhuman ape20 mil players leave and 20 mil players join is a net 0 for subs but extremely high churn and low retention. When 5 mil players leave and only 4 mil join you have much lower churn but a net loss in subs. I thought surely the leaky bucket analogy would make sense to someone like you living in a dirty shithole but clearly your skin is too fucking brown for that to click
>>738902236>it was bad. Its abysmally bad that people quit that early into leveling when they had a massive slog that would burn off even more players afterSure. Numbers rise during the period when that levelling existed. And then fall when it gets changed. In your mind this is explained by imaginary numbers and a sudden distaste for something that people used to like. To a normal person, an intelligent person, it's explained by the new content being bad.
get ready for blizzard classic+ with stuff like this and lgbtq representation! xarjew and esfat will cope and say its peak because their entire career relies on sucking blizzards taint
>another human male ret paladin power fantasy funserver sloppa bites the dustshould've happened sooner
>>738903395I don't think they had any fag shit in SoD which was the testing grounds for classic+
>>738903395Normal game: build tree house or discover in the game worldMicrojew game: sell tree house to player
>>738902803typical palaniggerthey were beyond playable. HILARIOUSLY overtuned, just like shaman. and big surprise fagadins were the single most played class on amberim glad your shitty server is gone. i rejoice. fuck them and fuck paladins.
>>738891732>>738891882Death to Russia, the Russian mafia who used private wow servers for money laundering and to support terrorism, and the entire team who ran twow - and fuck anybody who ever gave these Russian dogs a dime.
>>738903395God, I hope they put in the WoW token so I know to never ever touch that rancid shit.
>>738903357>In your mind this is explained by imaginary numbersRetention isnt an imaginary number shitskin. Multiple blizzard devs explained why they revamped leveling and that their new player retention was fucking awful>and a sudden distaste for something that people used to likenobody ever liked leveling>it's explained by the new content being bad.except we can see clearly that Cata had better content. You know basic stuff like not copy pasting a whole raid tier
>>738903465but they have them in tbc classic and they abandoned sod for the sole reason they couldnt make money off their patches. you think they will commit dev time to classic+ and wont charge for it? ill be prepared to laugh at you guys when they announce microtransactions in classic+ at blizzcon >osrs voting system that requires you spending money to obtain more votes to change the fundamentals of the game they already have the token system setup for it. the treehouse is just the predecessor screenshot this for when Im right
>>73889609099% of that shit is for faggots and not relevant to anyone except for trannies
>>738903531>Retention isnt an imaginary number shitskin.Oh yeah where is it then?>Multiple blizzard devs explained why they revamped leveling and that their new player retention was fucking awfulThey explained what they thought was the case but obviously they were wrong lmao as evidenced by every expansion that came after and the tumbling down of subs >nobody ever liked levelingNobody ever liked raiding. As evidenced by the fact that nobody did it.>except we can see clearly that Cata had better contentLOOOOOOOIOIL
>1999 MMORPGs are a global (first world) phenomenon>2026 MMORPGs are in a sad twitchy death rattleSad. Those days of hyping up new MMOs were awesome. Logging in for the first time, finding friends, making guilds, exploring, getting gear. No microtransactions. No ESLs. Just good fucking times and endless hours in front of a Windows XP PC.
>>738903628>they abandoned sodDo you know what SoD stands for? Season of Discovery. "SEASON"It was always going to be a temporary mode. They just awkwardly left the servers up after it ended. The realms will likely get shut down when the this new classic project launches.
>>738891964Fags. It was a bunch of 3rd world NEETs from Serbia and whatever playing this trash. Kids who were barely born during actual vanilla.
>>738903465There is a lesbian troll infatuated with a female Scarlet Crusader.https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Argent_Guard_(Naxxramas)
>>738903829And troons. Don't forget about the troons.
>>738903891Troon ret pallies dominated the server. When Ambershire launched it was 85% alliance, and 60% paladins, playing. Embarrassing.
Does anyone wanna level up a character with me? I'm on chromiecraft.
>>738903986asl?
>>738891732rest in piss you won't be missed
>>73890407640/M/US
>>738903806the copes already begun and we're still months out from blizzcon. classic+ will have microtransactions because microsoft/activision will demand it or classic+ will get a few updates and be abandoned like sod was. classic players trying to pretend this wont happen need to pay attention to whats happening to retail more. they didnt finally figure out how to make housing in retail work they just figured out how to make money off those goys with it. either get this shitty free house or you pay blizzard 100 dollars for an exclusive treehouse you cant obtain ingame
>>738903730>Oh yeah where is it then?its basic math pablo>They explained what they thought was the casebecause they had hard data showing people quitting en masse early on in leveling, due to it being dogshit>but obviously they were wrongthey massively cut down on the number of players leaving. If the churn stayed as high as it was in Wrath (>20mil left) the game would be completely dead. They didnt have an endless stream of new players to burn through forever, they had to stop them from leaving before level 10 or the game would die>Nobody ever liked raiding.gray parsers always out themselves
>>738903753we just need everquest to go viral on tiktok and we are back
>>738892327soul
>>738904438everquest legends will revitalize the mmorpg genre more than classic+TM ever will
>>738898731kill yourself faggotyou are a husk without a soul
>>738891732You need to stop spamming this shit. No one here plays wow you retarded old boomer.
>>738904130>and be abandoned like sodYou keep saying this when SoD was never meant to last forever in the first place lmao.
Are people still pretending turtle wow was some scrappy underdog and they didnt get shut down because the retards were spending tens of thousands of dollars on ads?The dumb faggots payed for youtube ads to run during TGAs which coincided with blizzards dumb ass reveal.Hell the fucking morons were paying for a golden twitter checkmark.They 110% did this to themselves.
>>738898954False equivalence. You're comparing something that takes a few minutes with something that took thousands of hours. Blizzdrones really are thicker than pigshit.
>>738904640They would also directly respond to official Blizzard twitter posts with links to their pserver. If any pserver was gonna get shut down by Blizzard, it was gonna be turtle.
>>738904628yes and what Im saying is that blizzard will treat classic+ the same way or they will add store mounts and boosts to keep it going
>>738904694Not to mention Sheena was involved which is the biggest good riddance possible.Shes probably fucking some other private server now anyway
>Playing Blizzard games in 2026
>This nigga wasted his 30/40s playing a dead game.
>>738904628era is still going strong thougheverbeit. fucking era of all things has more staying power than season of sloppa>muh gdkp swipersirrelevant. people would still rather play it over the retail minus server where heckin ret paladins got everything they ever wanted and more
>>738905098>muh gdkp swipersMost people love gdkp whales because it means they get a bigger cut of gold at the end.
>>738903490did you not read the part where i just said that i didnt play turtle?besides which, when did play wow 15 years ago i was a rogue, so git fukt nigguh
>Play game>Game dies>Loose everything
>>738905769IT DOES NOT FEEL GOOD, CARL.
>>738905769ESL
>>738905098you only expose how asshurt you are with how you complain about ret palliestell us where the mean white human male ret paladin touched your precious grimdark OC undead rogue/warlock anon
>>738904524this thread literally made me give blizzard $15 make a game everquest i want an mmo to spend money on
All those cheevos will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.Time... to die.
>>738905932pic related, your average asspained pinky menstruating for 2 decades about warriors and rogues. now imagine 99% of the fagadins are like this and extremely vocal about ityou'd be annoyed too. glad their dogshit servers are gone lel. seethe about it for another 2/10th's of a century
>>738904524>playing garbo EQL that is run by a mentally ill man in a dress aka secretsyikers
>>738891732S
>>738891882turtle legit ruined a generation of private server players by making it seem like long term servers were gonna be a thing and you could keep your progress without paying blizzardit also coincided with stop killing games where people think you can rip off an IP all you want with no legal repercussions im glad its gone now we can go back to the way it was where servers spin up and shut down and you dont invest in any one server besides fun
>>738906230Based Lalas dabbing on the dead game. Retail is next.
>>738906106Why is there so much warrior vs paladin talk?the true path is warrior x paladin working together and running stuff like TSG comppaladin gives his warrior friend BoFreedom, warrior keeps everything hamstringed/piercing howeled forever.
>>738906106Why is it always Paladins. Never seen a Priest or Druid do shit like this
>>738906106>an obvious bot throwaway youtube commenti lol @ u
>>738906387because nobody logs into the game for the very first time, knowing nothing about it, and rolls priest or druid expecting to be a DPS, obviouslypriest and druid are 100% healer-coded from the very start. paladin was forced to be a healer through all of vanilla and bc solely because of extremely biased and faggot devs who consistently kept paladin from being able to do anything else because they were still mad that paladins in everquest was the only counter to their cancer everquest build (aka tigole & furor)meanwhile damn near everyone who went paladin for the first time was not expecting or wanting to be a healer
>>738906378Paladins have had a massive chip on their shoulders since Vanilla. They were forced (hint, nobody forced them to do anything) to don the dress if they wanted to raid and coming from other games where paladins were supposed front line combatants this pissed them off. On one hand I get it, but on the other hand if they really wanted to be Warriors they should have just rolled a fucking Warrior. In the early 00's when WoW first came out there was little info available at the time regarding exactly what you'd be doing at level 60 but when Classic came out there was zero fucking excuse.Problem is that Paladin is actually a pretty cracked class in Vanilla IF you look outside the scope of raiding. 5 man content/dungeons, open world stuff like farming, leveling, questing, elites and even pvp, Paladin is LEAGUES better than Warrior. In fact by those metrics alone Warrior would be by far the weakest class in the game. It's just that people nowdays tend to view the game solely through the lens of warcraftlogs and seeing their class at the bottom inherently means to them that its dogshit, which couldn't be further from the truth.Take it from someone who played both classes in classic and again on anniversary. I have a much better time on my Paladin (i just put up with healing in raids so i can get loot to fuck with people in pvp). Warrior is glorious for those ~2-4 hours a week you raid (if you have purples/all the consumes/buffs) but pretty dogshit outside of that.
>>738894613Hitler was good though.
>>738906409cope
>>738906527The trick was to BG while lvling and befriend a warrior who knew how to play by just tossing him offheals and freedom but you could still play hybrid or heavy ret.Once you both hit 60 you could go a ret reck bomb offhealer hybrid and just 2 v 10 entire BG teams and easily hit rank 14 together.
>>738906529He just wanted to secure an existence for the white race.
>troons are mass suiciding and going on shooting sprees over thisinsane
>>738892146return to osrs and join the autistic choir
>>738905675>rogueBased Chad.
>>738906669osrs isn't even old school anymore
>>738892271Sort of? The thing is an MMO generally tries to position itself as your prime timesink and activity in life if it can and this is known more than ever. So that life online better have a bunch of awesome friends and people to make it even remotely worthwhile a proposition. Classic players being an older playerbase find solidarity with each other but nobody else does.Kids looking at a genre where the big hitters like wow and runescape have tons of dudes who have been playing it longer than they have been alive, aren't awestruck to join, they see it as boomer shit where they can't relate to anyone they run into in-game which defeats the appeal. They aren't gonna sacrifice their time after school to please some millennials who will never see them as equals and don't want to play in literally, their world (of Warcraft). So they just go back to Roblox or discord RP or whatever. This is not a unique phenomenon to MMOs, I recall kids in Japan think Gundam is something for old guys now etc. When you have a forever audience that always is talking about shit the kids have zero frame of that thing ages out.
>>738906106Bullied nerd syndrome.Redditors just want revenge on the Chad jocks who bullied them in 2004.
>>738906637pvp is a miserable experience as a warrior without a pocket healer, everyone knows this. and it's miserable as a holy paladin if you have dogshit warriors on your team who cannot play. but honestly i'd rather play the holy paladin because you're a much stronger force multiplier, even with bad teammates. a giga geared decked out warrior is still going to get rolled by any class in greens even if they're chugging faps.but i know the strengths of the classes i play. i know that i'm never going to be a murder machine on my paladin no matter what spec i am. but what i do know is that it's fun watching horde try to break themselves on my high hp/high armor tanky healer with bubble while i keep my team alive
>>738906490>pinky vagina sobbingShut the fuck up and cast flash heal blessing bot.
>"waaaah im being forced to heal its not fair!!">ok make your own raid and invite who you want, then you can play as a ret paladin>"uuuuh why is nobody joining my raid you have to play with me!!"
>>738906757>a giga geared decked out warrior is still going to get rolled by any class in greens even if they're chugging fapsi think you know that youre bullshitting with that statement anon. yeah sure warrior is gonna fold against most who are similarly geard but when youre maxed geared out with a fap no less you're 2-3 shotting everyone outside of other warriors and paladins
>>738892084>picWhat thread is that? How old even is that image?
>>738906840i meant against anyone who knows how to playi've seen gm warriors lose to mages/spriests in greens. a mage can just poly the fap and wait, nothing you can do really. but yeah against the average BG you'll decimate if you go to those lengths
>>738906757Not really if you know what your doing.all I did on turtle was play 20-29 on ambershire when it opened, it helped that turtle balanced skills and talents so you could actually make a fun fury piercing howl crit auto regen build even at low lvls.Also playing a warrior in low lvl BGs before every loser can twink with enchants is peak WoW pvp.
>>738906838you could just as easily turn that around with warriors and tanking you disingenuous faggot. you know as well as i do that what raids get joind are the ones where the leader is already a guild leader or has 20+ friends
Thoughts? It's launching in 9 hours.
>>738906904what? everyone wants warriors tf are you on about
>>738906892>the lvl 19 twink 2000 HP rogue vietnam experiencefuck me trying to pvp early was such a mistake when i did it on official servers
>>738906106>go into a game with a solved meta>pick a spec that nobody wants to bring because they genuinely suck>get mad about the good specs being good
>>738906942par for the course when it comes to paladins and their 2 braincells
>>738906942Esfand tricked thousands into believing ret was secretly good in vanilla. He then proceeds to struggle to clear MC with his meme spec.
>>738906923Who gives a fuck about another wrath server
>remember back in og vanilla hearing about twinking for the very first time>was on my rogue just questing>get a blue drop>holy shit its shadowfang>immediately equip it when i hit 19 and go into wsg>murder everything>friend tells me i should have sold it because it's worth a fortune>huh really?>check the ah>it's going for like 400g>fuuuuuuuucccckkkk
>>738906942>>738906967nah faggot what paladins are mad about is the constant and consistent refusal by both the playerbase and devs to actually FIX the broken dogshit specs that are ret and prot pallylike okay blizzard were biased as fuck back in the day and tigole is a cunt; there is no reason we cant have nice things NOW and fix it in current day servers like how turtle did or by some other methodbut no, niggerfaggots like you and the rest of these clowns deliberately want to keep paladin as a class gimped and i think the real reason, if youre honest enough to admit it, is that you just dont want the competition. you dont want ret or prot to be viable in any real context because thats one less plate wearing str gear user to roll on gear that you want on your precious warriors. you want to keep paladin as a healbot only because youre selfish little cunts who gleefully deny anyone else from enjoying the game so that you can have an extra healbot to use and less possible competition for dps slots/gearthats the real truth
>>738907025because nostalrius was a buggy mess that improperly calculated consecration ticks or something like that (supposedly scaled with AP)funny that he made a career out of that bullshit. kudos to him though i guess
>>738907025>tricked thousands>of zoomersNobody who played vanilla believed that.
>>738907084fix what exactly? there were actual legitimate bugs with all the classes, paladins were no exceptionall of the paladins abilities in some way or another benefited other players. all blessings for example enabled players in some way or another. auras, healing, cleanse, bops, the list goes on. paladins were a support class first and foremost, nothing there to fix. what you mean is that you wanted it to play a certain way, like trying to cram a square peg into a circle hole, then pissed and moaned that you couldn't and it should be "fixed"
Gonna take a bit but the data to remake the last version of the server is pretty much right there, just have to make sure you're not profiting off of releasing a restored version.
>>738904640This, taking another company's obviously trademarked assets and openly monetizing them and jeering at the source was always asking for a horse kick to the balls response from blizz, it was just a matter of time. It was always a too good to be true scenario utterly relying on blizz not caring enough to intervene. If a company made a better version of Windows 11, called it Windows 11(better) AND sold it openly AND made money off it AND ran ads for it making it clear they are modifying IP without permission for personal gain? Microsoft would stick its foot so far up their ass they would feel its boot hit the back of their teeth. It is a wonder turtle lasted as long as it did - because it was relying of being too unimportant to be seen as a threat.
>>738907084>refusal by both the playerbase and devs to actually FIX the broken dogshit specsVanilla doesn't get balance patches. Players where adamant about the NO CHANGES movement when Classic was coming out too. You can't let Blizzard start changing things about vanilla or they WILL go overboard. Things like SoD is when they are finally allowed to mix things up.
>>738907084>pinky meltdown over brownysa tale as old as time
>>738907025ret can 'work' in vanilla with about 1000 percent more effort than any other class needs, but its jank as hellthere are exactly two specs for ret that can be considered 'decent'number one is the two hander spec which is what everyone thinks of when you say ret paladin; the problem is that you 100% absolutely NEED to have hand of rag to pull this shit off to a decent level, and hand of rag is a nightmare to getthe second is the ironfoe spelldamage build. you get ironfoe from the dwarf emperor boss in BRD. this thing has an absurdly rare drop chance, but it has a chance to cause you to hit multiplet imes. then you grind AV to exalted for the spelldamage offhand, then gear ret normally. judge crusader and then hold righteousnesswhen ironfoe procs (and it will often) youll hit 3 times with holy damage on top of it.the ironfoe build can reach 800-850 DPS in optimal gear, where as the two handed set up hovers at around 800. however, if youre doing naxx, top tier warriors will still pass you into 1000s and theyll have put 1% of the effort into the gearing to do it, which fucking suckst. the actual discoverer of both builds; esfand ripped it off of me and now i get asshurt every time i hear his name cuz he got the credit for MY discoveries just because hes a gay youtuber
>>738907084this you lil bro?>>738906106
>>738906942>>738907025>>738907084
>>738907228sup pallytimeyou should've quit youtube a long time ago
>>738907203anyone who rode the NO CHANGES train was just a retard, plain and simple, regardless of whether or not blizzard would go overboard with it (and ill admit freely they probably would)plus this also includes private servers who are under no obligation to share blizzard's general idiocy
>>738907170The chinese are likely going to relaunch 1.18.1 anyway in a few days.
>>738892146runescape
>>738906387theres no real "don the dress" for druid or priestif youre a druid youre comfortable playing whatevers needed or offering all the utility of a druidif youre a priest youre probably a healer so you came in wearing a dress
>>738907228or just pick warrior and deal quadruple the damage while actually getting invited to groups
>>738907241no>>738907293not pallytime either i dont have a youtube channel, i aint got the patience for editing>>738907262
>>738907262this is the part that's always just so funny to me. they want to be carried in raids playing a meme spec by players who are not meme specs, yet don't want to be surrounded by other meme specs because it's a fucking drag playing around other meme specsthe irony isn't lost on me
>>738906939yeah it sucks when losers start running nax librams etcIt's funny how much money blizzard could make if they just removed enchants from all pvp combat pre lvl cap.Way more people would do BGs to lvl or stick to low lvl pvp for fun but it only works when enchants aren't around and there's a high population which turtle provided, literally impossible to get the experience again this was a 2nd in a life time one.nu blizzard is so retarded they don't open fresh servers with BGs enabled, shows how stupid their modern devs are and how much they didn't play real vanilla.
>>738907318i started a new job recently so i dont have time to play actual osrs but im playing the /vm/ private server
>>738907330doing either the two handed or ironfoe build actually outdamages warriors by a fuckton in the 'early' parts of the lvl 60 experience. warrior only starts to pull ahead in naxx gearthe problem is that everyone is so blindly and religiously convinced that ret cannot dps whatsoever that people just dont believe it and if you post logs as proof they start claiming its photoshopped or 'cheated' somehow. seriously the whole 'ret cant dps' meme is more ingrained than hating browns at this point
>>738907329Druids are in even less demand than Paladins overall yet don't seem to throw constant shit fits about it
reminder to not to swear on blizzard games
>>738907368>yet don't want to be surrounded by other meme specsthey want to be special snowflakes>>738907429leveling a druid filters most people
>>738907427there was a german guy, i think he was called Judgement (lol) who parroted this bullshit back in 2019 and made a youtube channel around it. he was getting demolished by warriors and rogues in blues and quit sometime around aq or naxx, cant remember. but yeah he was a joke and convinced himself that everyone else was wrong about dps pala except him
>>738907429im convinced that druid players are near universally stoners who play the game while blazed out of their goddamn minds and are just too mellow and chill to care about any of this. theyre fully willing to just hit that healing touch button in between hitting blunts
>>738907454rare blizz Wswearing is for niggers
>>738907429Druids are great, much like Paladins, if you don't really care about what you do in raids since you'll be there to heal and buff
reminder that streamers whined to blizzard begging for free transfers from pvp servers because they were getting camped for being ass at the video game. when theyre not getting carried by their loser audience through raids they act superior to everyone else fuck them
>>738907496i feel personally attacked by this statement
>>738907454look you may be 30+ years old but no no words are not allowed on our game from 2004 which also features parades celebrating mentally ill homosexual relationships publicly so LEAVE!
>>738907427>ironfoeYeah bro just get one of the rarest dungeon items in the game to still get clowned on by warriors and rogues lmao
>>738907538i got camped 24/7 back in the '19 on arugal by roaming horde death squads during p2. you couldn't even sit in stormwind without a rogue killing you and then getting dogpiled by the guards. shit was cancer, took me an hour once to even get into brm. i transferred to pve and never looked back
>>738907491idk im not german so i dont know him but he must have been fucking it up somehow
>>738907427>doing either the two handed or ironfoe build actually outdamages warriors by a fuckton in the 'early' parts of the lvl 60 experience. warrior only starts to pull ahead in naxx gearThis is so blatantly wrong and delusional lol
>>738907568thats funny because it was actually a positive statement; i WISH i could be as chill as druid players are and not take any of this shit as seriously as i do>>738907573yeah like i said, 1000 percent more effort required, its fuckin bullshitthe desecration of ret and prot is basically why i will always support changes to the vanilla experience, because i aint going through that shit again
>>738907594uh huh
>>738907573>be warrior>chain tanking BRD for hand + quests + other drops on a new server>always turn on ML for emp>paladin sends me hate mail on alts for a month straight because I ML'd hand and ironfoe in one run
>>738907454then why is there a profanity filter in-game?
>>738907647no you just assume it is because like i said before, the wow audience is absolutely brainwashed with the 'ret cant dps' belief to a crazy degree
>>738907593>p2layers were a mistake
>>738907661lol yeah I don't know what paladin is expecting to get into a brd group and actually having a chance at ironfoe or hand of justice
>>738907661did the same thing for sgc in brd>invite some niggerdin healer for arena runs>"yeah sure man i don't want chain i just need healer gear totally">bullshit detector goes off>put on ML once we get into the arena>he drops group and starts sperging out about me being a ninja>everyone else in the group is totally chill
>>738907659here this is for you i think youll enjoy it>>738907661and thats why no one should ever join a dungeon party running ML, lol. you probably made that guy kill himself
>>738907650when i like finally got invested in wow it was with turtle and i thought druid was a cool concept for a class so i ended up levelling it and learning how to play bear tanknever ended up playing anything else druid was just so much fun. im not a metagamer i play as well as im required to play and i come to raids to have a good time with the boys not turn this game into a second job
>>738892327You will never play release day WoW and clear Naxx. Not matter how hard you try to recreate it or justify playing pservers. I did that and literally beat WoW release to Naxx. Gitgud faggot>also I was carried as a Huntard. Lmao @ur life
>>738907706Brother, the burden of proof is on you. Warrior is already top DPS in BWL, you don't even need to get to Naxx gear to be top. Ret isn't even competitive in fucking dungeons.
>>738899161Its literally like the scourge. It consumes all, it takes no prisoners nor detractors. All non-believers be PURGED. Everything is pink, and everything is going to be okay. NO, you can't complain about it.
>>738907661>>738907741paladins have always been insufferable to deal within wrath especially it was a shitshow
>>738907741whatever happened to asking if the group wanted to do more runs? most people wouldnt be adverse to staying for a few. the dopamine hits just as good seeing someone else get their loot
>>738907881if i still had my other hard drive with my parse screenshots id spam them with you, too bad the goddamn thing broke two years ago. i guess youll just have to persist in ignorance and stupidity and closeminded assumption-ness. yeah i know that aint a word but idgaf
>>738907741Hahathe sad thing is all they have to do is just make their own groups.It's absurd how many people play WoW and have a very anti social style of play, they demand group invites and progress but put zero effort into socializing and forming groups.
>>738907940Even on BC Anni right they are fucking retarded. Tons of braindead prot paladins who heard it was the meta tank who can't hold aggro on fucking anything somehow. You get the occasional one who knows how to play that reminds you, yes the class functions properly, but the majority of people playing it are fucking retarded.
>>738907976socializing?in my mmo?dont be ridiculous anon
>>738907969>parse screenshots
>>738908039oh boy here we gojust like i predicted, accusations of photoshop incoming. or rather they would be if i had the fucking things to postliterally nothing is good enough for faggots like you. you know what youre like? youre like one of those ultra-religious christians who absolutely will NOT listen to ANYTHING that contradicts their religion, no matter how rational or reasonable or gently its presented, it doesnt matter, they stick their fingers in their ears and yell loudly so they cant hear you and confront the fact that theyre wrong about something
>>738908078didn't read; put on the dress, pinkie
>>738907976it's wild that people can't even pretendi joined normalnigger guilds and only a select few knew that i was an antisocial racist spergit's not hard to hide power levels
>>738908078presenting a claim without proof and going "ah well sorry i threw out the proof but it exists trust me bro" and expecting people to change their mind isn't rational or reasonable
>>738907995paladin is so fucking easy to play holy shit. just piss on the floor and press holy shield/taunt if a caster blows their load and you're good
>>738908146
>>738895149literally every mythic raider that has done ultimate raids in ff14 have said they are harder
>>738907662they could argue the profanity filter is for protecting people from rule breaking cursers but that falls apart when you point out there's an option to disable it, so the option to see profanity is inarguably a built in intended feature of the game
>>738908175yeah okay granted but that doesnt change the validity of saying how completely and utterly intractably brainwashed the wow audience is in the ret cant dps meme. even the mere mention of something going against that narrative caused him to immediately back up against a wall and start with the denial. no doubt, no consideration, nothing but instant reflexive ad hominem attacks (delusional) to try and deflect away and avoid confronting even the possibilityso yeah i have no patience for it
>>738908078Okay bro, I get it. You're the one guy who knows how to play Ret and actually outdamage all those mean warriors. You just don't have any proof, sure.
>>738908317im not the one guyjust one of manyalso heres a pic of grizzly hills because its the best zone ever made
>>738906106Anyone who's played Vanilla for any length of time knows you cannot really give the hybrid classes more way to do damage without also significantly nerfing their utility. If you do that then the classes lose their identity.Take Cleanse for example. Extremely strong defensive spell with a low mana cost and no cooldown which just neuters a lot of shit other classes can do to you. That alone is something Warriors would kill for and can you imagine how completely busted the class would be if Warriors just got a spammable Cleanse? Couldn't happen. You'd just end up with SoD and 99% of the discourse being around how completely broken Shaman/Paladin are in pvp.
>>738908364Fuck I meant to reply to>>738905932
>>738908358Get ready for Grizzly Hills to mysteriously disappear in the next WoW xpac. We are going back to Northrend and the modern devs have no clue how to make more than 4 zones for an expansion anymore.
>>738907228Put on the dress and cast the heal.
>>738908364the hybrid tax is a bullshit mentality that does nothing other than cause the players of 3 classes to have a piss poor experience if they arent a healercleanse is already gated by its mana cost, and ret/prot dont have shit for mana. the argument that 'hybrids can do multiple things at once' is completely false BECAUSE of mana costs. not one dps spec for any of the hybrid classes uses int, which means they have no fucking mana, which means ret runs out of mana in two casts of holy light and it is entirely possible to run yourself oom on cleanse against any class that cares about putting debuffs on you like mage or warlock, who will absolutely outlast you thanks to their greater mana pool and the fact that youre wasting your mana and your GCDs on cleanse rather than offense>>738908487they better fucking not
don't care much about it, but it's a shame to see all that custom content gonethey were starting to get kinda good with it by the end
>>738908497
>>738908567>the hybrid tax is a bullshit mentality that does nothing other than cause the players of 3 classes to have a piss poor experience if they arent a healerOnly in raids and only if you don't like to heal. They excel quite literally everywhere else in the game and you know it
>>738908798except notin pvp, pally might have blessing of freedom, but that doesnt mean theyre going to catch and kill a mage any better than warrior or rogueor a warlockor a priestand who gives a fuck about open world nonsense, raids and dungeons and pvp are all that really matter at end game
>>738908567>cleanse is already gated by its mana cost, and ret/prot dont have shit for mana. the argument that 'hybrids can do multiple things at once' is completely false BECAUSE of mana costs. not one dps spec for any of the hybrid classes uses int, which means they have no fucking mana, which means ret runs out of mana in two casts of holy light and it is entirely possible to run yourself oom on cleanse against any class that cares about putting debuffs on you like mage or warlock, who will absolutely outlast you thanks to their greater mana pool and the fact that youre wasting your mana and your GCDs on cleanse rather than offenselmao you stupid cunt. maybe you should be gearing properly then? ie using your hybrid t2 set or wearing spell power/int plate like t3/pvp set? you aren't a warrior, stop gearing like one to play pretendthere is no "prot/ret" in Vanilla. You're a paladin. you do a lot of things *if geared correctly*. what other class can do multiple things at the same time? spriest cannot really do damage unless in shadow form where it also cannot heal, druid cannot heal in cat/bear form and so on. you are going oom because you aren't gearing properly you dumb fuck
>>738908850>and who gives a fuck about open world nonsense, raids and dungeons and pvp are all that really matter at end gameVanilla clearly isn't for you and wasted on your monkey brain. Go back to sod (LOL) or r*toilet
>>738908850>and who gives a fuck about open world nonsense, raids and dungeons and pvp are all that really matter at end game
>>738908903you do realize that auto attacks and seal of command procs, the means by which ret deals damage in pvp, scale based on weapon damage and strength rightret gets basically zero benefit from wearing int gear which is why no one does itsit down and be quiet if you dont even know the basics of the class. plus outside of tier 2 (which is admittedly based as fuck) there was basically zero spelldamage plate gear in vanilla. dont even talk about tier 1 either no one wore that banana shit in pvp for very good reasons (it wasted a lot of its itemization on fire resist)
>>738908938>>738909000you can lie to yourselves and to 4chan all you want, you know perfectly well that absolutely nobody is doing open world anything in modern day vanilla servers, private or nu-blizzardthat era is dead and gone and has been for years
>>738909097>t. raidlogging dadgamernobody cares about you and your gay opinions
>>738908850I spent months leveling on/off with full enjoyment without even touching a raid
>I deserve to do twice as much damage as hybrid class because... they can heal in the open world!>okay let's give warriors a healing ability and make dps spec hybrids viable in raids>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I NEED BIGGEST NUMBER HEALING DOESN'T ACTUALLY MATTER WHEN I'M NOT BEING A DISHONEST FAGGOT!!!brown class players have brown skin too
>>738909293i said at end game, taking your time leveling is perfectly normal>>738909240here u go just for you so next time you can post a shitty meme instead of typing, cuz i know how much of a lazy faggot you are
It was a gay game for faggots and now it's dead good riddance.
>>738909346just like, play warrior bro. it aint hard
Imagine wasting 20 years of your life on this shit LOL
>>738909724Exactly. Get bullied nerds. Bullied your server to death. Next you paladin trannies neck yourselves.
