I still use my reverb g2 at least once a week and this thing is a piece of shit. The upgrade will be nice.

>>738895725
based reverb g2 appreciator

>>738895659
That's what you're gonna do, retard. Most people who buy it will be owners who want to upgrade from their Shitta Quests who actually use their headsets.

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>>738895659
Only midwits had that issue. Sorry you had to find out this way.

Imagine failing at having fun with a fun thing.

>>738895659
I live off-grid and right now I have the Steam Deck for low-power gaming during the winter, this looks like a cooler replacement for that purpose.

>>738895659
The thing that makes this a regular driver is PC platform + stereo 3D. There are several solutions to play classic games in stereo though it'll take a while for communities to trickle those mods out. But just emulators alone provide a lot of content.

>>738895659
Isn't Frame supposed to be able to play flat screen games as well? Surely that could offset the lack of games to play with this thing.

>>738896161
All headsets can do that, anon. It's just a Steam VR option.

The problem is that the market is full of mongoloids like you, with zero clue of what VR can or cannot do, having never even used one, talking as if you were an expert on the topic.

Motion sickness
No games
Discomfort

And all the other points against VR you have ever seen. Nothing but detached from reality, meme opinions from morons who don't know shit.

>>738896761
>Motion sickness
is there any way to tell if you're sensitive to this before purchasing a headset?

>>738897123
Everyone's sensitive to it to begin with.

>>738897220
this
also nobody can actually ride cars without puking they just take medicine beforehand to pretend they can handle it

>>738895659
I will try VR gamedeving with mine
I would ideally want to be part of a larger group working on a VR game, but dunno how to even socialize properly online to find a group in the first place.

>>738896761
not that anon but even with the most doomer shitpost you can conjure, these aren't the same thing. I've never played a flat game on headsets for obvious reasons. With quest you would have to hassle to sideload android slop, on a wired headsets you are stuck at home where you have access to TVs and monitors that provide better clarity and contrast and you don't have to wear a brick on your face. It doesn't make sense until the headset is a PC / steam deck on your face and you use in the context you would use a handheld, subtracting some environments like riding the subway or sitting at a restaurant. Handhelds are basically a dead end in the future because 8-10" screens are going to stay 8-10" inches even if you bring back lenticular 3D. Whereas VR can become goggles or glasses sized and the displays will just get better and better.

Also the frame is finally comfortable. You will still get sick, I won't.

I've had VR for less than 2 years and I have 30+ games that are backlogged and I don't have time to play them. More games than I ever had on console. The legitimate criticism here is indie games are basically the whole market. But you're not going to run out of content unless you just hate the FPS genre or something.

>>738897123
It doesn't matter. Even if you were the world's biggest pussy and got mega sick at the drop of a hat, you can play with a fan pointed at you, blowing air, and get rid of it. You'll get used to it in like two days of play.

>>738897123
More accurately the term is simulator sickness, which is basically the opposite of motion sickness because you're seeing motion but your inner ear is still.

I can't think of a way to test. Even cheap options like phone VR or google cardboard are going to be so compromised compared to a proper headset that it's not a fair test. A used quest 2? Or just buy with a 30 day return policy.

>>738897846
whats weird is I've watched several youtube videos and read endless suggestions of how to deal with nausea. Fans are popular and people try things like ginger and valerian root, but nobody, and I mean fucking nobody, says go to the gas station and take a dramamine. If you have a headache you're gonna chug a bottle of some anti inflammatory but people don't know the over the counter nausea pill exists.

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>>738897123
its something you can overcome pretty quickly, just start with simple movement in games and take breaks if you start to feel sick. after a couple days of normal use you'll be fine

I played with my Q2 until it broke down, fixed it then I continued playing, if one controller hadn't died I would still be using it daily.

>2022 + 4
>not OLED

>>738897123
>>738899296
I think the best thing to start with is a flight sim. VTOL is good. DO NOT FLY VTOL OR HELICOPTERS. Fly a normal a jet that takes off down a runway. Anyway when you are high in the sky and the terrain is at a distance the motion you perceive is gentle, and you can turn slowly to get used to pitch/yaw/roll. I got used to human movement in alyx quickly but some people can't.

>>738897123
Literally everyone is, because it's a universal biological human trait.
People just build resistance to it over time by forcing it, which is why VR will never take off.
The expectation is for people to spend dozens of hours getting sick so they can play on a headset with no games.

>>738899817
NOOO VTOL PENDULUM 4LYF

I use my Index at least once a week for VR sim racing

>>738895659
i used my rift s to goon daily until i replaced it with a quest 3s

Will the eye-based rendering be a game changer?

can this thing be used standalone decently? would be cool to use vr apps that aren't games.

>>738895725
perfect entry headset with how cheap it was when I got it. Got a PSVR2 a few years later, and now gonna get a Steam Frame as soon as it becomes available. Can't wait to play more Walkabout Mini Golf. The PSVR2 controller seriously gets in the way of proper hand form.

>>738900289
it's a steam deck that sticks to your face, yes.

>>738895659
If the controllers can be used for Wii emulation, I will cum

>>738899185
god damn the steam frame looks so fucking sexy

>>738895725
I really like my G2. I do not like its controllers. I am looking forward to side grading to the Frame. Having wireless play, no sweet spot, eye tracking, and native SteamVR support will be great.

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>>738895659
I use my headset literally every day.
LITERALLY every day.
While I'm on the treadmill and to fap in bed.

>>738900254
for PCVR it removes compression artifacts and makes it display port quality, but as far as I know wireless latency isn't good enough for foveated rendering to headroom for better graphics/framerate. Standalone games can use foveated rendering. But you use precious processing power to do the eyetracking, john carmack didn't think the benefit was worth it for quest for that reason. On something stronger like a PS5 it obviously works.

>>738899985
I love using it for AC but having to take it off between races is a pain in the ass

>>738895803
pls recommend vr games

I'll use it weekly for VRChat meets on the weekend :3

>>738900254
will hopefully standardize wireless VR at the very least

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>>738900450
This is you playing your steam frame on your back patio in blurshit black and white while gabe drinks champagne out of a hooker's belly button

>>738895659
I play VRChat everyday when I get home from work though

>>738895659
The controllers will be nice for gyro gaming if they work on PC. But when it comes to VR you're supposed to install it on the couch TV for the visits lol.

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>>738900997
Why would I want to see the world around me? I want to be in a void. C'mon anon, don't be retarded.

>>738895659
Walkabout Minigolf VR will get me for hours, plus Light Brigade, Into the Radius, Beat Saber, and boxing.

>>738900254
The rendering is a nice trick. I think eye-based navigation and control are the future, though.

>>738900871
my quest 2 broke a good while back and I'm waiting for gabe so I can't recommend the latest releases, but

Alyx
VTOLVR
Derail Valley
Blade & Sorcery
Vermillion
Jet Island
Hot Dogs, Horshoes and Handgrenades (if you are a gun autist)
Age of Sail
A Fisherman's Tale
Into The Radius
Escape Simulator
Battle Group VR
Saints & Sinners
Contractors (but no idea if it's still populated)
Kayak VR Mirage
Either Creed Rise to Glory or Thrill of the Fight (for the latter, quest store version was better, not sure if still the case)
Your favorite flight sim
And VRchat, which has a hundred more games within

>>738901079
Well one time I turned my passthrough on while pretending to play, and my friend was naked in a chair

>>738900254
Yes, because it'll be the most entry level way for anons to make animated 'fuck me' eyes in VRChat.

>>738900871
>>738901423
Hitman WOA, 3 full hitman games
Forefront, big multiplayer battlefield clone
Clone Drone in the Hyperdome, looks like indie kidslop but that combat is actually good and more physics based than blade and sorcery with no jank

>>738896035
Genuinely cool, how'd you get off grid

>>738901624
I wanted to play Forefront so bad. There was some sort of kung fu earthbending title too, but I forget the name.

>>738895659
>discover vr porn
>it now sits next to the bed prominently

>>738901032
Personally, I'm excited for the Steam Controller integration. I think that VR is hampered by trying to be both a new way of experiencing games and also a new way of interacting with games. Put on the pants one leg at a time and make VR controller or M+KB compatible games instead of trying to jump in the deep end by doing both at the same time.

>>738902257
I'm the other way around. To me VR sucks and the controllers are the only good thing that came out of it. It would be nice if they would standardize VR controllers for flat screens, but that ain't happening anytime soon unfortunately, considering the depth sensors are installed in the headset.

>>738902489
Wii waggle

>>738902667
Not really, wii remote had two points of reference and its spatial recognition was tied to a single direction on the forward/backward axis, that is why you had to be pointing at the "sensor" bar to avoid drift, VR controllers either use the cameras on the headset which allow the controllers full motion as long as they are within the fov of the headset cameras, lighthouses which gave you complete freedom inside the perimeter they formed or cameras on the controllers themselves that gave you full freedom around your body.

>>738902489
There were things like the razer hydra and wiimote. Thing is without the location being 1:1 in a VR environment you have practically a 3 degrees of freedom controller instead of 6 degrees. It's just extremely gimmicky on a flat screen and only works well as a pointing device.

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>>738895803
>heh, you don't spend thousands of dollars on glorified tech demos? le midwit

>>738903694
>HEH look at me, not playing anything and going into threads of things I've never tried or want. I'm le smart
>also I'm trans and have a folder with 9 billion wojacks

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Reminder the quest 3 could've been like this years ago but zuck just loves his pointless plastic that you have to carry with your neck muscles because you just do ok

Cant they make this oled? Please, lcd shouldnt exist unless it cost $400

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Wonder how much it'll cost. It can't be more expensive than Index wouldn't it?

>>738904047
Not with currently affordable technology. This uses over 2" displays and microoled is just over 1". So they could do 4 of those displays per eye and it would be 8000px and insane but cost more than the vision pro and nothing could drive it. Normal amoled or whatever that's in the PSVR2 isn't bright enough for pancake lenses and has mura.

I guess they could've made something like BSB but I think here are downsides to the smaller lenses. Also you're forced to do a halo strap to make one size fit all and that adds weight over a soft strap. I'm more interested to know if bigscreen can make a BSB 3 that's standalone wireless with steam OS

>>738904174
They just said less than index but that was before the economics got even worse. Realistically $700-950.

Things looked bad when we found out the ergonomic kit with just straps would be sold as an add on. Now its leaked that there will be a version with no charger. That makes me think this thing is painfully expensive and they are desperate to get numbers off the sticker.

>>738895659
It runs Linux, unlike existing competition, which is Androidslop.
It is a full desktop replacement if you're fine with standard definition content, so I will be using it as such.
>>738902257
VR was hampered by everyone wanting it to be its own big investment thing and also wanting it to be exactly like shartphones, because of how much money those were making.
>>738902489
The controllers are definitely a good thing, since they actually continued development after the 2000s, instead of falling to the Xinput stasis that mainline console controllers fell for.
>>738902667
There was never a problem with the Wiimote, it was always just retarded devs making retarded control schemes and this impacted all games, not just Wii games or even just consoles with motion controls.

I dunno. I play with VR for a week or two, put it back in its case, stash that away for a month or two and get the itch for some VR again. I think it's pretty sweet.

>>738895659
bro have you not had one of these before? you're gonna goon to VR porn semi-regularly for a long time

>>738904589
>There was never a problem with the Wiimote
There were problems with it, mainly due to the restrictive inputs, for instance, one that used the game to its fullest was Skyward Sword, it would often not register the user intended motion properly, this could be avoided if the player was completely aware of the required position of the remote such as a vertical slice, to perform it the controller had to be pointing upwards and its bottomside parallel to the tv, as long as the swinging motion started from that position it registered properly, now that's where the main problem of the controller surfaced, spatial drifting, it used the sensor bar to triangulate its position, which often helped avoid drift, there was no way for the controller to perform this quick calibration if the IR camera wasn't "looking" at the sensor bar, so two things would occur, either the user would not hold the controller properly or the remote perceiced position had already drifted from its actual location. And that is just one of many problems it had.

>>738906184
>perceiced
*perceived

>>738906184
>Skyward Sword
>Used it properly
Absolutely not. Skyward Sword's use of the Wiimote is a failure of motion controls, the Wiimote and basic game design.
It includes safety margins just to account for how inconsistent and bad the game's control scheme is and it is heavily cut down in complexity just to focus on the Motion+ gimmick rather than integrating it into gameplay in a way that feels normal.
It sacrifices everything for a poorly implemented gimmick, the underlying workings of which the player is barely informed about.
Even just the idea that it will secretly recalibrate based on the sensor bar is fucked, because that implies that it will just periodically recalibrate itself using ANY two sources of IR light.
As far as I was aware it just only cared about the accelerometer for sword swings and didn't reference the IR bar at all, since the pointer was always accurate compared to haphazard decision to use gyro for the cursors as well.
I will defend the fact that I used candles for Skyward Sword, the game is ass, it can't keep calibration for shit

>>738895803
>126 titles
>Only 3 are not hot garbage
Let me guess:
-Superhot VR
-Beat Saber
-Half-Life Alyx
Are included with those tech demos you call games?

>>738901482
W-was he jerking off to you? Or did he just think it was arousing because you couldn't see him.

>>738907853
I'm not defending SS, but the wii remote was inherently imprecise, it used the accelerometer and the gyroscope as inputs to perform a slash, if you grab the controller sideways, that is when a side of the controller is parallel to the tv it would not register properly, same thing happened with wii sports but it wasn't as apparent as the motions weren't as precise. Don't get me wrong, I love the Wii, it opened the possibility of motion gaming and most likely inspired the VR movement, the controller was controller was innovative and groundbreaking, there was really no way for Nintendo to do a better implementation, hell, it is still the most advanced nonvr motion controller scheme, the WiiU gamepad took a step forward by using the screen as a window but took two steps back by removing the IR camera and gyroscope from it, then the switch although brought the IR camera back Nintendo almost never used it and the switch 2 straight up removed it.

>>738908230
I'm not arguing that it was on par with modern VR controllers or even its immediate successors, It was imprecise, but most of the issues with the Wiimote that lead to the perception of Wii waggle were a developer skill issue, and the only reason that people don't have an equally violent rejection towards generic console controllers that also had awful control schemes, is because normalfags were still on that bandwagon.

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>Into the Radius 2
>Stressing over how much ammo to bring
>Always run out in BFE
>Sprint back to base, ping-ponging off of force anomalies and watching mimic bullets zip past my head
>Get home, shake out my pack of gray skinned garbage
>Keeping this spoon, tho
>Orginize my shelves
>Scrub down my guns
>Comfy
>GOTO 2
Man. I love VR. It's dumb and gimmicky and it's not PC2, but I'm having a delightful time.

>>738895659
Speak for yourself, I've used my index atleast once a week since it came out. Can't wait for the frame to replace it.

I got filtered by motion sickness :(

>>738895659
depends if facebook pulls all the VR devs over to their shitty platform again. Hopefully zuck has gotten bored of VR and we can get some real VR games finally

>>738895659
>motion controls
Ick

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>>738909137
>motion controls
>ick

I tried VR a bunch of times at friends places and various "normie entertainment centers" and never once felt any hint of nausea, I think thats just a skill issue

Redpill me on vr porn, it seems too bothersome

>>738907913
Not interested in your samefag larp, tranny.

>>738909880
It is. If you've got a high end enough rig to run VAM, it's okay. All the video stuff is mediocre and low quality.

>>738895659
Is the oculus quest 1 good enough for porn?

>>738895659
Yeah, it's cool you guys can continue to beta test the hardware. I'm not paying close to 1k to acess an ecosystem that already died 6 years ago.

>>738910063
What's with high attitude, jeet? Don't have anyone to talk about your midwit gimmick paperweight?

>>738895803
alright now post your VR chat time, troon

>>738910163
You are welcome, really loved taking a glance into the future.

>>738909772
It really is. I have a friend who gets motion sick and stops playing after 30 minutes. The only reason he even gets motion sick is because he plays VR once every 6 months or some shit so he never gets used to it. I tell him to stop being such a pussy and just power through it for 10 minutes extra or more each time until it passes, but he's a stubborn retard and doubles down on that VR just makes him sick.

>>738895659
They need to keep it delayed until they upgrade the display

>>738911064
They are going to screw early adopters the way they did with the lcd launch deck.

I've never been motion sick inside or outside of VR. When I got Alyx I tried smooth movement and I got a little unbalanced for a second but after just walking around the little starter area for a couple minutes it passed.
Falling any more than a couple feet in VR tends to give me a little vertigo but I think its kinda neat.

>>738895803
I wish I could have fun with it :(

>>738895659
Thats why I never bought one.
There isnt a single game that looked like id play it for more than a little bit.
Its basically a porn machine.

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>poorfags always seething over a VR headset
>had to come up with a reason why he didn't(actually can't) buy one.
every time.

Strange that Valve isn't interested in making a new game or at least a tech demo for Frame. They made The Lab for HTC Vive, HLA and Aperture Hand Lab for Index, but they specifically said they're not making new stuff for this.
https://www.roadtovr.com/valve-no-first-party-vr-game-in-development-half-life/

I would pay 2k for an AVP linux steam tier headset

Played Alyx recently for a couple hours and was massively disappointed. Is the whole game just fighting zombies and headcrabs in dark, abandoned tunnels? Constantly having to do waggle motions to get stuff and reload was tedious within minutes.

The only games I've consistently enjoyed so far are the good escape room puzzles games and walkabout

>>738899789
oled on vr means either fresnel lenses or losing 90-99% of the light

they need to get insanely bright, which is expensive, is detrimental to response time, and burns your headset, looking at you bsb

it just ain't ready for mass consumer market
I am a bit mad they didn't go for at least 2560 panels

>>738912615
Not true today

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>>738904560
>Things looked bad when we found out the ergonomic kit with just straps would be sold as an add on
a lot of people don't care about five finger sensing tbdesu
>Now its leaked that there will be a version with no charger
that's just EU compliance, 'eck gets the same treatment

>>738912390
Because one game would just be a drop in the bucket and if VR has anything in abundance, then it is tech demos.
The greater influx of games is going to come from enthusiast modding of flat games to work in VR, so getting something like UEVR into true "It just werks" territory like Proton would be more of a gamechanger than just another VR tech demo.

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>>738897123
It's more about how the game is made.
If it requires you to use a joystick to move around, you'll probably get motion sickness.
People play Eroge and VR porn games, which only requires a small space to move around,
and you'll basically never get motion sickness if you physically walk around in your room.

>>738912692
it is
the cheapest oled comparison is bsb2 and it's 1k+ for just lenses and screens, nothing else
add controllers, inside-out tracking, a fucking computer in it for standalone, a battery...
the price would be too high

>>738912946
the cheapest oled is psvr2 bozo

I bought a quest 3, I'm going to let zuck watch me jack off.

>>738913008
>not microoled
>fresnel lenses because regular oled panels not bright enough for pancake

>>738912946
you know nothing about VR.

>>738895659
I use my VR headset every single day for 2 hours, and have done for the last 3 years.

>>738913104
ok you're just retarded

>>738912615
that's why it's uOLED which is a lot brighter and doesn't have the issues that OLED has.

>>738895659
My brother bought a PSVR2 and tried it with RE4. Felt amazing honestly, but I did get dizzy. Wasn't sold on VR, but after trying it, it does seem like it would be incredible for horror type games.

>>738913260
yeah, that's the expensive part I mentioned
and the refresh rates still have ways to go on these displays

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>>738895659
>getting bored of this
ishygddt

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>>738913374
Nobody has the GPU power to run high VR refresh rates unless they're playing on the shittest headsets running the oldest games

>>738895659
I would enjoy some kind of virtual workspace so I can do work while being on the most confortable position possible

>>738913053
There's nothing wrong with PSVR2 lenses. I would take them over Pimax and Varjos, apherics every time. I get around 85% clarity in them with just chromatic aberration at the edges. I'd take a PSVR2 over every single headset under 1k.

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>>738913361
Snoy should've made it compatible with the PSVR1 games.
Seriously, that's all they had to do.
....and they magically fucked it up.

>>738913235
lmao.
you're just poor.

>>738895659
Got a Quest 3 and it happened to me, VR is just uncomfortable as hell to use overall.

>>738915181
>Quest 3
>uncomfortable as hell
yes

>>738915209
At least using it wirelessly was a huge upgrade from the last time I tried with the Rift, that one I just resold as soon as I could.

I only really use it for watching cuck pov porn while high and in chastity

>>738915287
You don't need the headset for that, virgy LMAO

>>738911205
Honestly when I finally got my hands on an OLED screen I found it to be the biggest meme on the planet, the LCD Deck is just fine.

>>738899185
Does it have 4 buttons on each controller? That seems a bit weird.

>>738915287
false, they don't ship to india

>>738901482
Seems rude not to tell him

>>738915461
you don't have to be into blacked to be into femdom and cucking
and the indians don't fap to that stuff, they post it because whites and jews pay them to do it

>>738901482
This raises so many questions but I don't think I want the answers

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>>738915457
One controller has 4 buttons, the other has a dpad, it has all the buttons of a regular controller so you can use it to play pancake games

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>>738915685
>you don't have to be into blacked to be into femdom and cucking
femdom is completely separate
being a cuck inevitably leads to being a racecuck, which leads to just becoming a faggot
>and the indians don't fap to that stuff
lol

>>738915770
You can play pancake games with anything, they just wanted a controller that didn't scare normalfags, so it has to have a useless d-pad and 4 face buttons in a diamond, just like every other ewaste controller for the past 36 years.

>>738915770
Can't believe I get to experience being a cuck in VR now

>>738895659
I'd probably still be using my vive if the faggot devs didn't kill beat sabre because they just had to port it to psvr with a bunch of fucking awful paid dlc nobody likes. Modded dance maps were so much fucking fun, both visually, physically and musically.

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There's like 5 proper games on VR.
It's not my fault some cunt makes a tech demo, calls it a "game" and thinks that's enough for me to buy/play it "bEcAuSe iT's VeE ArR".
Fuck off, how about you make a proper game first.

Maybe I can emulate old consoles on this device and then play in a very comfy way.

>>738895659
Gonna buy it anyway.

>>738916828
I don't get this, how do people even manage to get comfy with a headset?

>>738917304
What's so "uncomfy" about the headsets, do you got a mutant head or something?

>>738915268
The Quest is a known torture device. It's underway to be banned under the human rights act and PCT.

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You niggers get hyped for this 999$ e-waste instead of spending that money on a proper balanced headphones, monitor or something
Kill all shills

>>738918076
>>738915209
So what's the comfiest headset anyway

>>738918120
sour grapes because jeets can't get it

>>738918190
on the market currently, bsb2 because it's so light so the horrendous strap doesn't matter, but it's wired so less comfortable
honestly the steam frame is probably going to be the comfiest headset for a long while

>>738918190
it'll be the small light goggle type. BSB2 and MeganeX.
Before that Reverb G2. PSVR2. Pico 4 isn't too bad

>>738918120
>poorfag thinks everybody needs to save up so they can buy headphones and monitors
I don't think you're in a position telling people what to do.

It's a bit off-topic but I'll ask anyway.
How's AR in wearables nowadays? Is it functional in any way or we're still years before it actually works? I mean in glasses and such, not entire headsets.

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>>738918120
>retarded anime poster
>also poor
But I already own studio headphones, speakers, a monitor, steam deck, golf clubs, Alesis drum set, Sting Ray bass guitar, car, strong PC etc.
Go back to your containment board >>>/a/

>>738918541
it's the aquajeet

>>738918120
>so poor he can't even afford vidya
Dude, gayman is one of the cheapest hobbies out there.

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You are being disingenuous, drones. If I had a billion dollars I still wouldn't buy an e-waste.

>>738913884
Is this psvr exclusive?

>wake up my 'eck after a while
>lots of heavy game updates
>connection can only do 100mbps
>plug directly into appartement building's ethernet
>rape some random poor sod's connection and CPU by doing local transfer
>no hit to mine
feelsgoodman

>>738910726
Ive heard powering through sim sickness is a bad idea because you further associate the vestibular conflict with being sick

My broscience is you want gentle movement from things like flightsim so you can play longer sessions and you teach your brain that everything is fine. When you're up to it you make faster turns.

>>738909880
Theres a few VR cam girls on stripchat that are worth recording and dont have potato cameras

If you have a good video card you can convert 2d video to 3d with iw3/nunif, 3dcg works well too, even illustrated hentai with mixed results. You can make your own shit with AI too.

Pro porn is rarely good, even softcore with females only, it's more disappointing than it should be. JAV is consistently the best but it's censored. If you like POV and don't get tired of seeing the same positions with different girls in different rooms it's paradise. Non POV can easily feel gay if you get a sense of presence.

>>738912723
Knuckle straps need to be in the box because per dollar spent they improve the experience the most. You can naturally open and close your hand without dropping the controller. If they are in the box devs know you have these and can design their game properly without worrying about naive strapless friends. When I got my first VR headset I didn't realize what a big deal this was and got them thrown in as a bonus without intending to use them. Now I don't know how I was supposed to play most games without them. Even if the game has sticky objects in hand just being able to relax your hand is a huge comfort benefit.

>>738913709
thickness drives the weight and moment of inertia for the headset way up. Also normal oled has mura.

>>738913104
No he's right, the play for dream is a chinesium slave labor headset that's fully featured standalone and its $2000 because microoled. This is when everyone with above room temperature IQ should've realized valve wasn't going to use them.

>>738913462
We have reprojection methods that double the framerate though. Actually a huge problem is quest's asynchronous space warp doesn't work with steamVR. Glad that bullshit will finally be over.

>>738915457
>>738915912
>You can play pancake games with anything, they just wanted a controller that didn't scare normalfags, so it has to have a useless d-pad and 4 face buttons in a diamond, just like every other ewaste controller for the past 36 years.

No it serves an actual purpose. The one they gave is reducing the inertia of using the headset because you can freely go between both types of games. But the more important thing is a lot of good VR content is conversions of flat games that need all the buttons because they are mods that don't redesign the controls from the ground up. Some of them have confusing bindings because they don't have enough buttons to work with.

>>738918190
Just dont bother with anything made before the steam frame honestly. Wait for quest 4 if you want something with an aggressive price.

will this be a comfier way to play regular games in bed instead of a 'eck?

>>738918498
All I know is the meta AR is monocular and not super high resolution so it's not like you can just display your phone screen or something. It's like a smart watch on your face I suppose.

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I'm just here for these and they better be sold separately.

I've noticed the most active /v/ VR discussion happens when I'm asleep

I always thought VR would be less popular in europe because scarcity of air conditioning would make it a seasonal hobby. On scorching hot days when my house gets a few degrees higher than my target temperature I pass on VR.

>>738908925
The answer is all the ammo. There are so many enemies in these maps now.

>>738923728
ASW sucks though. You can notice the artifacts in VR and it is a horrible experience when you do.

>>738924163
They'd only be sold separately for replacements. They're tracked by the headset, they're not going to do anything on their own.

>>738923930
The Steam controller 2.0 is already the inertia reducing option, because it has VR capability and the full complement of features.
I agree that having more face buttons is good, but the D-pad is pointless and just gets in the way more by forcing 4 of the buttons to be more or less mutually exclusive. The D-pad isn't even that great for 2D games anymore if you don't get a specific dedicated 2D pad, it's just 40 years of inertia.
>>738924265
Houses here aren't all built like Mcmansions that just instantly warm up in the sun.

>>738895659
I wish they would've made a more expensive OLED option. I like everything about this except the prospect of more IPS glow. I would legit pay a few hundred more to get rid of that shit.
I'll be pissed if they release an OLED version a year later.

>>738925519
ASW doesn't work in RTX40,50 series

>>738925997
oled option would basically double the price

>get horny
>Start VAM and steamvr in steam offline mode
>Model replace the two girls in the threesome with any fotm gacha or 2B or whatever big titty girl i have seen recently
>Jork it for 15m
>Then place it down for next three days

Index was an absolutely great investment

>>738925519
Frame has eye tracked reprojection btw, maybe it will be good

>>738912371
>everyone who doesn't want vr is poor
this is what retards like (You) actually believe

>>738925959
No by reduced inertia I mean you can go from 6dof VR game or menus to flat game with a unified controller and no swapping. Very important in a portable or commute context where you don't want to be packing multiple controllers. You won't be playing VR games with the steam controller for 99% of cases.

I don't know what you mean about the dpad, there's not a huge difference between a dpad and 4 independent face buttons here. Many 3D games use a dpad for menu/aux/inventory shit.

>>738926461
>I'm not poor
ok . post your hwinfo

The frame is coming out.... but I bought the quest 3....

>>738927380
sell/refund you quest 3 when the frame is announced

>>738927380
Valve unveiled in 6 months ago so you knew about it. Why didn't you get a used quest 2 or G2 to hold you over?

>>738927380
I love my Quest 3. Horizon+ sub is really good value and Frame isn't going to get anything like that

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>>738927493
I never sell.

>>738927501
Thought I broke my quest 2 controller and bought the quest 3 in the heat of the moment, then turns out the controller still worked, but I figured I could afford it, so I figured fuck it.

>>738895659
It’s weird they are pushing VR while not making any good VR games. Are people buying these for porn?

>>738927718
You should just go outside and get a life instead of paying so much money to poorly simulate a life

>>738927864
projection?
weird post.

>>738895659
Just about everyone I know with VR has over 8000k hours in vr at this point.

>>738926342
I hope that's the case.
I feel like there's a ton of room for improvement there. By this point everyone (besides a handful of developers) knows that TAA is unbelievably shit in VR, but it feels like there should be some algorithm that combines temporal supersampling with eyetracking that doesn't cause the entire image to smear out into a blur.

>>738927718
well the controller will break again because its potentiometer. The frame has TMR that fixes drift for good.

>>738928083
I cannot wait to stop getting Index replacement controllers. God I fucking these things.

>>738922530
I get that, but he only plays shit like Beat Saber and Blade & Sorcery, which are games you play for like 30m then grow bored or tired of. He never goes beyond that because "muh motion sickness" and that just results in him being capped at 30m forever because he never spends 5m more than that. Honestly annoys the shit out of me so I don't really play VR games with him anymore.

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>>738924163
if you want a split controller then those already exist
i don't see why you'd care enough to want these without the frame

Are those VR mods for regular non-VR games like Resident Evil and Doom any good?

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JUNE 5TH
TRUST THE PLAN

>>738932442
>valve announcement
>during summer game fest
uhhh half life bros

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I kinda want to talk about VR game I'm going to play tonight but I HATE SPOILERS. I only buy games that can convince me with its 3min trailer. I don't want to know anything of the upcoming experience. /v/ has spoiled me so many games that I can't play because of that even if the would be good one.

I have a Quest 2 and that's exactly what happened. It's just not comfortable to use for long periods, I don't get sick per se but I just don't like having a heavy monitor strapped to my face without being able to see anything around me for hours on end. The picture quality is also shit, 4k is just nowhere near enough resolution for a screen that's sat on top of your eyeballs. So the result is you spend hours of tweaking settings, installing mods, getting everything set up just right just to game for an hour and get tired of it. And I'm not going to pay however much the Steam one costs for a glorified sidegrade of the same crap experience just so I don't have to give a fake email address to Zuckerberg.

They have the Bigscreen Beyond 2 now, and the Pimax Dream Air, and the MeganeX superlight 8k. This is what I need from a headset, small, lightweight, high resolution, and built-in tracking (the BB2 lacks this however). When this type of headset becomes standard, widely consumer tested, and readily available for retail, I will probably get one. I'm not spending another penny on VR until then.

>>738934369
outer wilds vr mod
lone echo 1 and 2

>Q2 button membranes are glued to the pcb, constantly using contact cleaner dissolves the membrane glue turning the button unusable
Stupid Zuck

>>738895659
I remember seeing a boatload of cool games get announced right before HLA released.
Have any of those actually released, or have they all been quietly canceled?
I know a bunch of AAA studios were hiring potentially good VR game devs, then canning them after ~6 months or so at the companies so they'd be fucked over via noncompete clauses.

>>738936382
2020 was right around when Facebook decapitated the VR market by moneyhatting every dev they could behind its walled garden wasn't it? My sense of time is fucked but I feel that's around when I remember the shit hitting the fan with the Quest/Meta faggotry smothering VR gaming in the crib

>>738895659
No I'll be using it as my main monitor at 4k

Can someone just make a cheap $100 version with no 3D tracking or controllers just for porn, please? I'm not spending $1000 on this shit I'll use for a week.

>>738927786
Index released with HLA and they had a rumored 3 VR titles in development at the time so it's weird that they never released another or that the frame won't launch with one.

>>738896035
> Playing a handheld in darkness consumes similar ot less to lighting a room for other activities.
Based ecofascist.

>>738900254
Isn't going to look dodgy, where the eye will still detect that whatever you are not looking at is low poly or low bitrate mess?

>>738915386
it isnt only the screen, the oled deck had better battery, better wireless, more memory as standard and a bunch of other shit.

>>738936797
you can get used quest 2 for this much right now

>>738936797
You can't even get a regular monitor for 100$ in this economy.

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>>738936797
>I'm not spending $1000 on this shit I'll use for a week.
Why would you stop using it when you can convert all your 2D porn to stereo 3D?

>>738895659
>Black and white cameras
If I can't play fighting games using my own room or driveway as the level, then I'm just not interested.

Fucking sucks too because I'm tired of Metas constant downgrades in their UI, but I want to box for 90 minutes every day

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FlatOut VR is in early access now on Steam. Full release to PC, Quest and PSVR coming later this year. I loved the PS2 FlatOuts as a kid and I have been waiting for a racing game for Quest standalone since I bought it 2 years ago. Feels good man.

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>want to get into vr
>start researching headsets
>they all fucking suck, just in different ways
>inb4 steam fra-
steam frame too

>>738940824
get a used quest 2 then a steam frame when it comes out

>>738940824
Most tech has compromises.

>>738936797
get any used windows mr headset

>>738934369
play tokyo chronos or altdeus, /v/ has no idea about this game's spoilers, and one of the characters is voiced by jap 2B VA

>>738932442
>gaben on a yacht
>announcement that there will be no refunds on preorders

>be you
>poor as fuck
>old shit potato PC
>searches VR headsets and sees shit ones and good ones
>can't afford good ones. has only tried the shit ones
>"reeee VR is shit. just a screen strapped to your face. wake me up when it's holodeck"
lol

>>738927380
valve frame will never get quest3 exclusives because zuck closed every single studio that can make the port

>>738941552
I played on a potato and still loved it, didn't even have a headset, used a kinect, a smartphone, a joycon and a wired 360 controller to play Alyx, had a blast until the barrel corridor, the kinect couldn't register when I aimed straight up so I just got a Q2.

They just don't know better.

>>738901482
uhhhhh
'ick in the frame?

>>738912521
>would pay
>linux
at least pretend you use a mac

>>738941461
uncanny plastic surgery face.

>>738941461
>censorslop

>>738941545
it's going to be HL3
machine on monday and frame later

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>>738913361
>RE4R VR.
I've played about 100+ hours into RE4R VR.
It's a fucking game changer, it's so much fun, you're overpowered as hell with so many options.

If I could ever wipe my memory and play a game for the first time, it's RE4R, and it's in PSVR2.

I'm tired of the lack of communication from Valve and I see more and more people speculating the Steam Machine is next. That piece of shit is dead on arrival. They'll release their initial batch and then drop it. Where's the Frame?

>>738942026
Is it really better than the Wii port?

>>738942095
>That piece of shit is dead on arrival
you genuinely don't understand the product, then

>>738942095
Valve seeks to spearhead movements, they don't seem to care about numbers, rather they want to shape the market and they've succeeded so far.

>>738930695
None of these have native PC support, and they have some annoying constraints like the inability to exclusively map their back buttons on PC. It's still a better way to use Gyro on PC tho.

8K in each eye 240 Hz with low pixel response time or nothing

and then they should make games for VR by theme like matrix, horror, reality, otherworlds, immersion, with regular control scheme and not gay retard wiimote

youd have to simulate reality to make these kind of controls interesting. And even then reality is gimmicky its not gamey, unlikely they can make something precise enough.

>>738942114
It's literally point and shoot; the only other way you could get this experience is by actually gunning down an Eastern European village.

>>738900871
BallisticNG

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when the FUCK are we getting commercial holographic VR
labtards had so much time on their hands they already made prototypes

>>738942026
I honestly thought the Zuck would release RE4VR on other platforms after a while

>>738942235
>>738942463
PCs can barely do 4K 120Hz WITH hallucinated frames and you want fucking sci-fi technology. Come back in 10 years.

>>738942183
The Machine is a consumer entry product at an enthusiast price point. It's going to be more than the Steam Frame.

Is there any way to play VR porn on my PC and stream it to the Quest? I was just putting vids on the quest but that takes forever + it's super easy to max out the size limit. I just need the name of the program I can run that will work with the quest and virtual desktop...

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>vrcucks losing their exclusives
hahahahahahha you lost and got raped

>>738944594
Go into the virtual desktop settings and add folders to the media tab.
Once you're in VD on your headset you go in media and play your porn there and you can select whatever mode you want like flat, dome180, dome360 etc.

>>738937619
Because VR had massive hype back then and everyone accepts it sucks now

>>738940824
I wish the steam frame was higher res just so the only complaint is "lcd tho". But the fact there isn't a pro version annoys me. I would 100% pay the extra money

>>738942557
And what is that laser in the picture connected to? Oh a giant appliance that sucks power, that's why.

>>738945862
Yeah and computers used to take up entire rooms. Things change, kid.

>>738945862
making small powerful lasers isn't a problem, semiconductor lasers are a thing you know
lab ones are bigger because it needs properties that aren't needed for this specific application

>>738897123
I only ever experienced motion sickness strong enough to be an issue when I was playing Talos Principle 1. The movespeed in that game is so fast that I got wobbly knees pretty quickly.
Aside from that, saturation made it a non-issue. I got used to it pretty quickly.

>>738939914
>>738942731
Man, it's been forever since I saw somebody posting stereoscopes. Had a couple fun faps with these ages ago.

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>>738946387
nigga just use nunif iw3

>>738897123
I don't think so, because I don't get motion sick,. but the first time I got my VR headset was pretty bad. Couldn't stand it for more than 30 minutes and I had vergence-accommodation conflict problems for hours afterwards. But it only took a week or two to acclimate. Ginger tea helps. Now I don't feel it at all, unless there's a big performance lurch.

I use my quest 3 pretty regularly. The big reason I use it is that I am not fucking overburdened with wires. If the frame doesn't have shitfucktons of wires, it will be fine. Secondary concerns are related to price. If they go above $500 it's probably fucked though. Personally I need to see in real world scenarios how the emulation layer will work, cause quest is still a HUGE amount of the homebrew support.

>>738946027
I can't wait to use the holographic laser displays in the retirement home

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>>738946387
I've been meaning to start a general thread for them. Maybe on /hr/. Someone needs to teach these flatlets a lesson.

>>738941752
I played through Skyrim and Wipeout on a PSVR1 . it was amazing

Is there anyone here that gets sick at 90hz, but not 120, or 120 but not 144? I don't get why framerate is seen as a miracle cure. I don't get sick at 60. I had to hit to hit 30 in MSFS to even experience frame rate sickness.

>>738946717
>If they go above $500 it's probably fucked though.
Quest 3 starts at $600 now m8

>>738942689
>PC can barely do 4k 120hz
Your PC.

>>738946850
I'm ready for stereo content to be first class. I want to scroll through my web browser and see images like these displayed in 3d without having to open a viewer.

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>>738942557
>>738945862
people don't understand what holography is or what it could bring and instead focus on retarded details since they don't know any better
A lot of people don't even know that VR only simulates depth by having two flat images for each eye, while holography allows to have depth for each image too, making it much more realistic

>>738946952
And?
Quest 3 isn't selling anymore either in case you missed meta nuking their entire VR division.

>>738947009
Love holograms, wish they were more common

>>738947015
The Quest 3 probably sold fine. The issue is that Zuck retardedly wasted billions investing in the Meta-Verse that predictably flopped. So on paper their VR division looks awful. Now that interest rates are rising and capital is harder to get they're cutting their losses. What a shame they had such a stupid strategy for VR.

>>738947196
fixed holograms are a pain to produce unfortunately, but yeah whenever I see one I'm surprised at how good it is
most people haven't even seen one in person

>>738947217
Yes, it DID, when it was value proposition #1, and everything else was like 1k+. the 3S without the pancake lenses was like $300 or something incredibly low, and is an overwhelming number of 3 units active today.
Meta failed VR for a whole bunch of reasons but the fact they can't push units anymore due to price is one of the things they quoted in their investor report right before saying they were nuking meta horizon (only to walk it back as a mobile only thing a week later)

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Fair warning to people thinking of getting the frame as a quest 3, and pimax crystal light owner.
While valve is promising this groundbreaking wireless technology foveated rendering that is supposed to give you unparalleled visuals compared to compression, i guarantee you it still won't be comparable to display port headsets.
There is no way you can transmit 32 gb of data per second or anywhere close with wireless tech to give you the same picture quality.
I've tried every microscopic trick in the book to get the best visuals out of my quest both wired and wireless and it is NOWHERE near display port visuals. Its quite awful in almost every game and is a muddy mess.
Just be forewarned and wait for the reviews to pile up first before you buy.

>>738942557
>guy doing this was a in a Meta Research PhD Fellowship
zuck you quintuple nigger make a product out of it already

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>>738947009
You're so clever anon. You know everything and other people are just plain stupid and know nothing. Thanks for sharing your incredible insights, we're so lucky to have you.

>>738947009
>companies dont bring the holography to the market because of consumers focusing on retarded details

Yeah I totally believe you that its not engineering constraints. Also I know what a lightfield is.

>>738947393
that's mostly just because the bitrate on all current wireless headsets is spread over the full image, foveated streaming lets you get much more bitrate on what you actually look at

>>738947452
Who are you quoting?

>>738895659
Actually, the selling point is it doesn't have to be a VR game.
So you get a 1440p monitor with 3D effects strapped to your face.
Thats kinda neat

>>738947009
>A lot of people don't even know that VR only simulates depth by having two flat images for each eye,
Just like eyes.

>>738934369
You're talking about Extra Dimension aren't you?
Better hope you didn't ditch the starter sword

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>>738947405
maybe he can join the retard-ai glasses division

>>738947643
Your eyes can focus on different depths. VR headsets have one fixed depth of like 1-2 meters.

>>738947479
I know but my point is it still won't be on par with a decent display port headset.
You simply cant change the fact that dp offers unparalleled visuals.
Even if you render only the image were the eyes are looking it still won't be on par man just wait for reviews.
People lied so much about the quest 3 to me regarding pcvr and I fell for it.

>>738895803
Notice the lack of playtime posted lel

maybe it's just me but i feel the same way about """gaming desktops.""" just a ton of overpriced components to play slop. the overwhelming majority of games are just hollow experiences.

i just play runescape on my laptop. laptop chads won. minimalism won.

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>>738947721
this

>>738897846
No it never really goes away. It gets better but after 200+ hours I still feel off after playing for an hour or two. For the 6/10 games we're getting in VR even slight discomfort isn't worth it.

>>738936797
Get a Quest 2 or 3S hell if you're lucky you can get a Quest 3 off marketplace for that price

>>738947721
each eye sees a flat image and that's why when you close one eye you can't see depth.
Your eye focuses on depth because it can't focus on every depth. It's an eye limitation, not something required for depth.

>>738947809
is the trauma in her ass

>>738947393
The term you need is foveated streaming, foveated rendering is a different thing

A compressed image can be difficult to identify even with A/B testing to an uncompressed image despite the massive difference in quantity of data. Same for music. Humans can't detect everything that can be measured, not even close. "32GB" is an irrelevant number.

Also did try this on a quest pro with eyetracking? Valve has had eye tracked foveated streaming in steam VR for a long time, people have tried it at home already with eyetracked headsets. Everyone says its display port comparable at least at 2k resolutions.

No shit tweaks for a quest 2 or 3 didn't do shit. The secret sauce is loading all the bandwidth into 10% of the screen region with eye tracking.

>>738947734
You're just the guy who listens to flac and only uses wired mice. Dynamic foveated streaming is already "out" for consumption.

>>738947596
The type of shit only vrlets think is neat. VR is too uncomfortable to play normal games in it, not worth the effort or the money
>inb4 ummm actually I play a lot of UEVR
Do you? I've never seen a person actually finish a UEVR game, everyone just tries them out for novelty

>>738947542
The guy who was talking to whoever doesn't understand the appeal of holography.

>>738947643
This is actually not true. If it were true your eye wouldn't need a lens to focus

>>738947921
It's not required for depth yeah, which is why VR works at all.
But it's only half of your depth perception, and your eyes are not really happy focusing on a different spot than the convergence point of both eyes.
This makes VR into something needing adaptation from you which is a big problem for mass appeal.

>>738948028
>The type of shit only vrlets think is neat. VR is too uncomfortable to play normal games in it
You think no one can tell you're fat from this comment don't you?
You're very clearly fat, too fat for VR
Good, you have to be fit and in shape to enjoy VR, get some Ozempic fatty

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>>738901482
Just boys being boys

>>738947929
I meant to say foveated streaming my gf was nagging me while I typed lol.
And I respectfully disagree, I've had the quest 3 running at 960 mb over link, the most it is capable of encoding, been to nearly 40 vr worlds to do a side by side comparison with my light downgraded to quest 3 native res, and its a night and day difference.
I realize the visuals dont bother everyone equally but for me, its the difference between looking through a screen, and actually being in the game.

>>738948051
Then you did not understand the post.
>companies dont bring the holography to the market because
is nowhere to be found

>>738947921
>it can't focus on every depth.

How many depths does a flat image have?

Also you need depth of focus for realistic images with proper indication of scale. No matter how good the oled displays get the grand canyon won't look as big and far away as it does in real life without simulating a light field in some way. Binocular depth is just "enough" to mostly trick us.

>>738948185
quest 3 has no eye tracking, so it's compressing the whole image equally

>>738948126
Are you too dumb to follow a conversation? We're talking about flat games modded to VR via UEVR, people play those sitting down because they barely have any motion control functionality. The headset on your face is still too uncomfortable for it to be worth it

>>738901482
>Let my sister use my VR occasionally
How do I disable passthough to stop her accidentally turning it on?

>>738948298
Ye I know I thought you were trying to say that quest 3 encoding is not very noticeable or most people can't see the difference.

>>738948123
It's a limitation of your eye not being able to clearly see every depth at once. If your eye lens could focus every depth at once you wouldn't be arguing that it's required for depth.

>>738947995
>You're just the guy who listens to flac and only uses wired mice.
I do this

>>738948310
If you have the right comfort mods for any vr headset you barely notice its there unless you have some weird facial morphology going on...