>best combat system>best monster designs>best stories>by far the best world>best musicThese are pretty much the peaks of the series. Hell, of the JRPG genre.>b-but muh day/night cyclefuck off
yesas seen in every pokemon rom hack. idk if i've ever seen one use anything besides gen3 whether its rse or frlr
What was the reason why gen 3 didn't have a day/night cycle?Gamefreak just being lazy again?
>>738896213this is where they gave up. in gen 2 they didn't remove gen 1 pokemon. in gen 2 they didn't remove old regions.gen 3 was where gamefreak realised they didn't need to put effort in and people would still buy pokemon in droves. they deleted 100 pokemon. they deleted johto. they deleted kanto. they deleted dozens of features. they couldn't be bothered including most of the stuff that was in gen 2, and they got away with it. And every gen since has been even more cut corners and removed content. >>738896558same reason everything else is missing. this was where they decided they couldn't be bothered including stuff from previous games.
>>738896598>this was where they decided they couldn't be bothered including stuff from previous games.I thought Sword/Shield were the first ones not to include EVERY Pokemon up until that point?
>>738897561ruby/sapphire did it first, it's missing 100 pokemon
>>738896598>in gen 2 they didn't remove old regions.No, but they did downscale a lot of things in Kanto like Veridian Forest. Honestly, it wasn't worth it because Johto is now only remembered for being next to Kanto instead of being a good region.
>>738897781Johto is my favourite region, the architecture and flora is a lot more interesting than any other region gamefreak has ever depicted. They really made it over-the-top Japanese, and because gamefreak are japanese they executed on that a lot more competently than every other time they've tried to depict anywhere else. Something to be expected when you work with what you know instead of coming in as an outsider with a very shallow interpretation.
>>738897940>Something to be expected when you work with what you know instead of coming in as an outsider with a very shallow interpretation.I've played both GSC and HGSS. Johto is worse off as a region because of its association with Kanto. From the plot, to the gym leaders, the level curve, and the pokemon distribution.
>>738898064I don't agree at all, Johto is a lot better than anything that came after it. None of the other regions have an identity because gamefreak don't have the competence or the vision to execute on giving any other region a coherent aesthetic or design. Johto was the one time they nailed itYou can't tell me that Kalos actually feels like France, or Galar feels like the UK, or Paldea feels like Spain. It's absolutely laughable. It's a fucking joke
>>738896213>by far the best worldTHREEWATERHMSHope you didn't take fucking swampert because his entire moveset is already decided faggot. otherwise I agree, though I do think the later games are better with the phys/special split
2 > 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else3 was boring and the pacing was bad
>>738898226>I don't agree at all, Johto is a lot better than anything that came after it. No.
>>738896213This is Venudon, cursed or blessed?
>>738897706Completely different things. The pokemon missing from Sword aren't even in the game's code. All existing 386 pokemon were present in Ruby/Sapphire even if they weren't obtainable.
Blastyogre and Chariquaza
>>738898507what's the point of pokemon that aren't obtainable? what kind of consolation is that for a kid whose favourite pokemon was removed?
>>738898412it's easily the strongest and most distinct region
>>738898676you might not be able to catch them in-game, but you can still acquire them by trading.
>>738898750That's Unova.
>>738898768not for the first year after release
>>738896213>>best storiesWhat story?
>>738896213Pokémon always felt too light to be an rpg.
>>738898676that the next game will have that pokemon in it and then you cam trade it back if you want to use it for a special playthrough. Even though RS lacked Bulbasaur, you could still use one after FrLG came out. This is completely impossible in modern pokemon
>>>/vp/
>>738898794which is so much fucking better than never
>>738896213Back when they truly cared, not only did you get an amazing game but also>Cool as fuck box with shiny effects, made it stand out from the rest of the boxes in your collection>Nice manuals, Emerald came with a promo/poster and the other two with an e-card, useless but still a neat bonus>The cart itself, not only was it colored but also was transparent>If that wasn't enough the label in the cart itself also had that shiny effect the game box hadGetting a pokémon game was an experience.>Gen IV did away with the colored carts>HGSS brought some SOUL back with that cool box and pokéwalker>Most soul gone by Gen V, boxart wasn't shiny anymore>Eventually, we didn't even get manuals, but that happened to every gameSucks buying physical nowadays...
>>738897940>They really made Ecutreak over-the-top Japanese while everything else was a bland generic town/city/dungeon/etc scarcely any different from what's in KantoFTFY
>>738898676I used to think this until I played ROM hacks where everything is available. It leads to insane route bloat where every area has like 20-30 available mons without an organic overlap between routes to make the areas more believable like zigzagoons being all over the place without inflating the encounter pools even more. It sucks that you can't find some of them at all even in post game, but having a solid regional dex of 150-200 is better for designing an RPG campaign.
>>738899064bad romhacks that fuck it up doesn't make it conceptually incorrectr/s should have had johto and kanto in it and you could have still had reasonable habitats that didn't strain plausibility
>>738898064>Johto is worse off as a region because of its association with Kanto.this, so much thisand it's so frustrating because I really really liked Jotho
>>738898318>hope you didn't take the water/ground mon that comes with earthquake I have plenty of bitches to learn HMs and Swampert isn't one of them.
>>738899159If you were able to dump in more areas, sure, it'd be fine, but I don't think they had the dev time for that. They couldn't even add a day/night cycle in R/S so a whole other region was probably out of the question
>>738898676You could just cheat them in.
>>738899195Pokemon 4Ever and Heroes absolutely spoiled me because those were better showcases of Johto than the games themselves.
>>738899206>it's ok that there are 3 water HMs you just have to give up a whole ass pokemon slot or 3/4 moves of your starter pokemon so you can explore the game world!surf is fine. surf, waterfall and dive are not. I can live with giving up at most a slot, MAYBE two if the HM move is really good, but they usually are not or have some kind of conflict. like surf and waterfall after the split for example. both moves are good, but you're going to favor one or the other based on the pokemon's attacking type. Gen 3 just has 3 water type HMs and they're all worse than Surf, the first one you get.
>>738896213Based3>1>2
>>738900363Surf is good because it can hit two mons at once and does 95, while Waterfall only hits once and does 80. Waterfall wouldn't become good until Gen 4 when it became a physical.
>>738900619I know anon, what do you think >like surf and waterfall after the split for example. both moves are good, but you're going to favor one or the other based on the pokemon's attacking type. meant? Gen 3 is not after the split, so all water moves are special, which means Surf has the most amount of BP, hits both slots, and is unlocked first. So with every water HM you put onto a pokemon after surf, you are just burning move slots to navigate waterworld. So your choices areA. Give up an entire pokemon slot for an HM slave or2. waste half of your water pokemon's movepool on dogshit
>>738899608not every kid had parents that bought them every random add-on
>>738900887or you just learn surf and dive, forget dive when you're done with it and learn waterfall, forget waterfall once you get to elite 4 and use your ice beam tm. playing through sapphire right now and that's what I did with my lanturn. surf, ice beam, tbolt, and confuse Ray. no need to rape your water mon permanently
>>738896213The only thing missing is the physical/special split.
Literally none of that is true.
>>738896213>Sticks a shitty battery to the cartridge for a pointless clock system My emerald copy arrived a week or two back My sapphire ruby and other games are gonna show up tomorrow Anyone else do those berry glitches on emerald?
i never learned how to win at the battle frontier
>>738898064Because "new gen = new region" is all you faggots know. Every kid who imagined what shit would be like beyond the trees and barriers in Kanto got it in GSC. They're for all intents and purposes "Pokemon 2" and not just another place to slap new Pokemon in. Johto being associated with Kanto is not a bad thing.
RS were massive flops. Emerald had to basically remake the entire game because of how bad RS were.
Am I the only one who thinks Dexit isn't that big of a deal? At least the popular mons are in and chances are a lot of one's favorite made it too.
>>738902895>Am I the only one whoNo
>>738898492>>738898580>best fangame gor plushiesInfinite Fusion bros won so hard
>>738896213I was with you until you claimed it's the best JRPG. Grow up.
>>738896213>1 maplmao
>>738900887> Give up an entire pokemon slot for an HM slaveYep sounds like mainline pokemon to me.
>>738902895After dealing with dexit for a few years now I think people have gotten over it.
>>738903131>1 mapnot even. half of the "map" is water.
>>738896213is there a romhack for these that does what polished crystal did for GSC?
>>738896213Was the first game that made me realize that video game devs fucking suck.Crystal was better in every single way including SOUL
>>738903517What did Polished Crystal do for GSC?
>>738896213>best combat system>best monster designs>best stories>by far the best world>best musicNo
>>738903517polished crystal is barely even crystal at this point
>>738896213>>best combat systemNigga it's the same as every other pokemon game. The abilites that were introduced had little to no impact on the game unless you're playing PvP.>>best monster designsThat goes to gen 1.>>best storiesAll the pokemon "stories" fucking suck and I hate that Hoenn started the "le evil dudes grab the box legendary for their evil plot" story that they've been repeating ever since. Having little to no story like in gen 1/2 is the best way to do a pokemon game.>>by far the best worldI love Hoenn but it does unironically have too much water. Kanto remains the best designed region to this day. Hoenn is more distinct though, lots of biome variation, which I appreciate.>>best musicNo that's gen 2.Emerald is my favorite pokemon game too bro but come the fuck on.
>>738896213Nexomon Extinction mogs them.
>>738904158>it's the same exact shit except for the massive game changing new element lol
>>738896558It has an RTC, so there's no reason why they couldn't have done it. Day/night and specific events on days of the week genuinely made GSC feel magical as a kid. Don't think there was anything like it until online games became the norm.
>>738896213Gen IV clears>Platinum & HGSS
>>738904225Too woke
>>738904225>Being this objectively wrong!You're dumb!
>>738904447Stop using sakura for your shit opinions.
>>738904225soulless slop
>>738904395I don't recall anything woke in nexomon.
>>738904479>Butt hurt!Calm down, sweetie!
>>738903517Polished Crystal goes crazy with all its changes to GSC. I think the closest romhacks would be:>Emerald Final>Recharged Emerald>Emerald Legacy/Legacy Enhanced>Elite Redux (difficulty hack)
>>738904305For in-game the "massive game changing new element" does fuckall. The game plays exactly the same as RBY and GSC. If you unga bunga'd with your starter, like most kids did, you wouldn't even realize abilities were a thing. The only really impactful abilities you'll see during the story is drought/drizzle.
>>738904547Learn how to use the meme arrows, retard.
I bought FR on the switch 2 and playing it just makes me wish I was playing Ruby.
>>738904618>He called them "meme arrows"You're dense and you're butt hurt!
>>738904606oh please that's like saying new moves in an action game don't matter because you beat the game with just mashing the basic attack button over and over. the campaigns are easy but that doesn't mean the new elements don't exist at all
Hoennfags getting as bold as Johto fans were back then, their comeuppance is near....
>>738905018Oh no a youtuber video essay, I'm so scared!
>>738905479You should be, that's all it took for GSC to go from being seen as the best games to the worst games
>>738905589Why should I care about the opinion of nameless, faceless youtube viewers who stop existing the second I turn off the computer or the current pokemon fanbase as a whole for that matter?
>>738896213I just 100% FRLG's Pokedex over 3 playthroughs and moved onto Emerald.It's easy for me to see how much better these games are than FRLG.
>>738905640Not sure, probably for the reasons you're in this thread right now
>>738904720It certainly matters if you care about compfaggotry, but for in-game, which is what 99.9% of players do, it genuinely doesn't matter enough to make the combat noticeably different from gen 1 or 2. Abilities do get more important in later games, but in gen 3 they are very basic. The only really impactful one for in-game is compound eyes on butterfree in FRLG because it basically gets spore for the whole game.
>>738904648FRLG are unironically kind of bad. They're the first remakes though so some respect is due, but they're really boring games. They needed more to them beyond copying and pasting Kanto into Gen 3's graphics. Sevii Islands isn't enough and they're postgame anyway.
>>738905867and drizzle, drought, sandstream, shadowtag, guts, chlorophyll, intimidate, levitate, speed boost, static, swift swim, truant, and natural cure. they only don't matter if you are playing on the same level as NPC trainers, but I got alot of mileage out of swift swim ludicolo for example in emerald. You seem to be framing this entire thing around what the enemy does, and not what you can do with them.
>>738896213*filters pokefags with a combat system that involves more than just spamming your strongest move*
>>738906103>You seem to be framing this entire thing around what the enemy does, and not what you can do with them.The problem is that the AI is retarded and the game never even attempts to make you care to mess with options. Unless you're doing comp or some sort of special run, you never have to bother.
>>738906790What's competitive look like?
>>738906103They don't matter if you play normally, because you're just gonna outspeed and oneshot the opponent anyway.>drizzle, drought, sandstreamLocked to Kyogre, Groudon and Tyranitar. The former two would oneshot everything even without abilities because they're fucking box legendaries, and the latter doesn't get anything out of sandstorm in gen 3 aside from a bit of chip damage.>shadowtagTell me with a straight face that you're unironically using fucking Wobbuffet for in-game>gutsNo status orbs so this is only an incidental upside that comes up once in a while. Unless you want to waste your time getting poisoned on purpose by some shitmon, or avoid using pokecenters to maintain the buff>chlorophyllYeah bro I'm sure you're running manual sunny day to take advantage of this with, what, fucking Tropius? Vileplume?>intimidateYou shouldn't be getting hit in the first place so this just wastes time at the start of every battle>levitateActually kinda nice I'll give you that>staticAgain, why are you getting hit?>swift swimSame as chlorophyll, why the fuck would you manually set rain?>speed boostNinjask does fuckall, dies to everything, and doesn't even unlock baton pass shenanigans until late game>truantThe only thing this does is make you not want to use Slaking>natural cureRoselia is a shitmon and Starmie would outspeed and oneshot anywayThese only come up with you're doing a challenge run. In which case yeah they're impactful, but if you just play normally you never have to even thing about these.
>>738906901Haven't played in a long time so I wouldn't know but age stacks, debuffs and DoT was my go to tactic.
>>738907082Oh yeah also shields, shield generation was fucking busted.
There exists a game which sole existence can destroy the minds of everyone in these threads, a game that everyone in these threads fears.A game far superior to any game posted in this thread, it's title starts with P and ends with alworld.
>>738906790I beat 99% of it on master just spamming shields (which procced bad stuff on enemies, but all I did was click shields). There was one story fight (and a couple optional legendary keepers) where that didn't win easily.While Gamefreak's games are too easy for it to matter, I think Pokemon combat has more depth.
>>738898492>Venudonkino>Blastyogreit's ok>Chariquazadogshit
He's back btwCan't make a thread rn so someone else will have to make one
>>7388963313rd Gen's buttery smooth combat always sticks out to me. Gen 1 & 2 feel slow, and 4 feels like a SNAIL's crawl.
>>738896331>>738908683Gen 5 faster but 3 is the one that's fully decompiled so easiest to make hacks of
>>738898978>>738898978>Cool as fuck box with shiny effects, made it stand out from the rest of the boxes in your collectionI remember when I got sapphire, I put some chocolate on it accidentally and wanted to rinse it with waterLittle did I know the box was all fucked after But now that I'm thinking about it, I think my parents threw the box into the trash because I can't find one single gba game box but dozens and dozens of gba gamesSo it would have been dead anyway
There's so many secrets in gen 3 it's not funny. Incredibly soulful games
