Why is this phenomenon so common?
muh humans
>>738897749It's because everyone's trying to make the coolest Man vs. Man Duel boss fight that there's so fucking many of them by now. At this point monster bosses have more actual novelty to them.
>>738897834woman tier
>>738897749because big bosses usually end up being gimmick fights and/or annoying camera issues
>>738897749He's a human. You can basically do whatever you want him to. For some reason mythical beasts that are entirely based on imagination are rather limited when it comes to designing an actual boss.
>>738897749Because you can't see everything on the screen with big bosses and their attacks are not well telegraphed.
>>738897749Man vs Man media has been the pinnacle of all fiction since the dawn of time. Man vs Monster will never surpass it.
>>738897749A lot of monsters have very unoriginal designs and movesets while lacking the narrative hooks necessary to make them satisfying narrative set pieces. It's easier for human boss fights to be written well. Their movesets and designs don't matter as much due to people thinking of them as more grounded than their monster counterparts.I will take a well designed monster fight over a human fight any day of the week though. No question about it.
>>738897749Because combat tends to be designed for enemies with a size similar to the player's, making giant boss fights like the one on top unfun gimmicks.Monster Hunter focuses on just the giant bosses, and is incredibly successful for that.SotC is another game where the only enemies are gargantuan giants, and it works because the entire combat is designed around them.
I think the issue is most of the time people don't try with non-human bosses. Good human bosses are much easier to make.
>>738897834Those would have been good if the action was good.>>738897749I dunno man. Sometimes those big beasts are also hard as fuck and get really awkward to track with the lock on. That abyss dragon, Kalameet, Midir, and others I recall being also tricky.
>>738897749because its hard with big bosses to know where you should attack and what place should you stand so their hits dont reach you
The actual kino ones exist as a contrast to the other bosses in their game, which are usually going to be bigger or at least flashier and kind of have more going on. This kind of hypes them up a bit in your subconscious because if every other boss was this massive demon or this crazy enhanced cyborg, and the next opponent is just a guy...how strong is that guy? He also tends to fight similarly to the player character, which makes it at least feel more like a "pure" test of skill. There's also usually an element of it being personal within the lore, I've noticed.>DMC 3 Vergil>Azel from God Hand>Henry from No More Heroes>Sam from Metal Gear RisingJust my theory at least
human monkey brain likes humanlike things, that's why 90% of scifi "aliens" are just different colored humans
Give me monster on monster fights. The tiny human genre needs to pass on.
What about him?
Why must you spurn Anusfucker of the Black Abyss?
>>738897749I'll do you one, better, one that Fromsoft loves to do every single time.
>>738898523Soul >>738897749Soulless
Nioh has the opposite of this>bosses 2-4 times bigger than you are kino>human sized bosses are complete ass
>>738898136why is it censored?
Human on human is basically a fighting game.
>>738898654>*spams block*
>>738898654there are no good fights in the entire nioh series
>>738897749That's just how it is, OPig.
>>738897749i liked the old version of this pic with The Captain better
>>738897749It only works when the majority of the enemies are monster or non-humanoid and the actual human boss/es are a couple at most. Otherwise it just dilutes everything and becomes boring as fuck
>>738898663Sir, this is a blue board.
>>738898654Because Nioh human bosses are glorified pvp fights where the entire battle is literally just breaking their posture over and over the kill them while they completely cheat and not follow the same rules as you do. Case in point, the infamous Toshimitsu fight where most people just cheese him because of how unfair he is.
>>738897749This version sucks.Don't post it ever again.
>>738897749i hate it, its fun at times but from spamming that shit got boring.
>>738897749Dragon bosses are never good.
>>738898747All Ganon fights are meh mechnically
I always enjoyed the fucked up abominations you fight at the end of Final Fantasy games
>>738897749Ludwig, The Holy Blade
Mega monster fights have their actual power reduced to absurdity to fight a human-sized opponent (you). A 5,000 ton rapebeast would simply squash a human in any other circumstance, but because you're the hero, you can bonk it 30 times to kill it. It's just comical.
>>738898612Midir mogs Gael though.And Bayle mogs DLC Radahn.
>>738897834>picMost giant robot shows are just human dramas with mechs thougheverbeit.
This was the only dragon boss fight to pull it off dragon/monster bosses are just kind of boring
>>738898216Midir is the ds3 one right? I remember the trick being to stay in front of him and hit his head when he lowers it rather than trying to hit his feet. It actually puts you in a better spot to dodge his attacks than by his feet.
>>738897749Humans have more backstory which makes them more relatable, Monsters on the other hand are mostly le force of nature bullshit
>>738898136>>738898776post uncensored please
>>738897749humanoid = more readable = more interesting movesetnon-human = less readable = individual moves need substantial more readability and predictabilitylimitation breeds creativity
>>738898202A salient point
>>738897749Because Vergil fights are kino.
>>738898612plin plin plon
>>738900090https://litter.catbox.moe/ttle5vf9cy07npr1.gifup for an hour
>>738898523This one always makes me smile
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>>738900220LOOOOOOL
>>738900323You can kill the man, but you cannot kill the idea!
Big monster fights tend to be shit. DS3/ER fixed this, though. GOAT dragon fights.
>>738900373>>738900220https://old.reddit.com/r/asiansissification/comments/1pvoue8/oops/anyway there's your source, enjoy your ladyboy
>>738899630Messmer and Rellana are the DLCs actual human boss highlights (and Midra I guess)
>>738897749When you play as a humanoid character the best fights tend to be against other humanoid characters. Fights against massive monsters tend to devolve to "try to stay under it/behind its legs and pray the animations were done well enough that you can get a clear read on what the boss is doing while you can only see 10% of its body."
>>738900435I expected it to be biggeranyways thanks
>>738900468>>738899630Closest is Midir. SotE is a reverse where the usual cool old man is not the enemy but your ally, who's on a last stand against destiny. In this case, you got Ansbach and Igon.
this is the only game I have ever played where all the small, humanoid bosses were dogshit and (most of) the giant bosses were kino
>>738900435wow this is like a diamond minewww.reddit.com/user/kyla331lovee/comments/1s7mnw2/first_time_topping_i_didnt_expect_that/https://www.reddit.com/user/kyla331lovee/submitted/?sort=top
>>738897749Because fuck huge boss fights = toenail clippers simulator
>>738900761Ys games are kino because of the big bosses, only good human boss in any Ys game is Chester.
>>738898612that is still worse than Mirrormatchticus, the guy who is youAKA, jeanne, sam or vergil
>>738897834Wasn't Gozilla vs Kong basically just the plot going>Kong does something >humans explain kong mad>kong goes and tries to beat godzilla's ass and gets whupped instead>fucks offyeah no wonder if the barometer are two "characters" that don't communicate and have all their actions and emotions explained via exposition
>>738900468Midra is the real sauce>Old man way past his prime and gone insane>turns into the end of life as you know it (human shaped)He's kino, but he's also kind of a freaky monster
>>738899724A big part of the original Gojira/Godzilla is about human drama and about how science and progress being used to develop new weapons is bad.
>>738899323meh-chanically
>>738902581(rival with opposite color) is an extremely cool fight when the game pairs it with good gameplay, story, and theming. Sometimes it can be kind of lacking when the rival isn't really that involved or cool (Ryu in 4, arguably the alchemist dude in NG3) but overall it's very cool.
I fucking hate dragons because their design is uninteresting and undifferentiated. I don't care if they're purple or have 3 horns or a spiked tail it goes into a filing cabinet called 'dragon' which is gay and interchangeable with any other gay dragon enemy. It's like fantasy novels trying to sell you their random shitty dragon on the cover. I promise your dragon isn't interesting I don't care what you think you did to it. Human antagonists or creatures that are their own original monster design like a Lovecraft beast is what non lazy fucks do.
>>738897834This is disingenuous because almost all "monster alien robot CGI fests" have dramatic elements featuring human characters. But in Godzilla vs Kong for example the human plot of that film was so incredibly shit that the mind numbing spectacle of giant monster fights is great by comparison. I would rather watch a Godzilla movie that only had kaiju characters instead of a godzilla movie that keeps cutting away to a bunch of ugly faggots running around doing nothing important.
>>738897749>>big dragon>poke it on the ankle until it dies>>dark knight>counter>parry>block>poke it on the ankle until it dies>>738898471Newgen MH is all bout countering, parrying and blocking attacks so it checks out
>>738903421Subversive snowflake mindset. People wrongly assume weird new shit makes anything interesting. You say generic, others building on familiar themes and archetypes of the established and true.
>>738897749This is just a ripoff of that one other image except it's swapping out the concept of difficulty for the concept of kino.
>>738898136True
>>738898148Uhhhh Beowulf?
>>738897749Because if you've been fighting giant monsters the whole time and suddenly the boss is just a dude, you know shit just got real because he must be strong as fuck.>>738898612And if it's an old hobo then, then he must be even stronger.
>>738898798They can do all that because they're honmono nihon kensei. Your guy is just a baka gaijin.
>>738897749It has to be fair to the player so the big guy will move really slowly and not actually try to kill you very hard, humanoid bosses can act a lot more realistically and therefore make you more immersed
>>738897749Relatability.
>>738903028True.The monsterverse American stuff is mindless CGI slop though.>>738903551A great example of your complaint is Shingodzilla, which was mostly 20 sgidzilluits with no character talking over each other next non-stop.The American Godzilla films feature less people but are somehow more mindless and what little you get of the human characters feels even more unnecessary.Godzilla -1 actually managed to pull off both human drama and monster stuff pretty well though.
>>738904594>>738903551Pardon my strokeI meant:20 suits
>>738897834subhumans that think like this cant see an apple in their heads
>>738897834Top has camera/lock on problems and tends to be more janky.
>>738899630Midir is fucking shit. Probably the third worst dragon boss in the series after the ancient wyvern and ancient dragon. Does nothing but run the fuck away
For me, it has to be enormous insect or arachnid bosses. Giant ass emperor scorpion would probably be peak
>>738902456That bastard was tough.
>>738897749I like nonhuman enemies more than human ones because they have different weak points and different attack patterns. With humans its pretty much just>aim for head if you have the accuracy for it>aim for chest if you dont
>>738897834>Man who's never seen a mecha anime has STRONG opinions on mecha
Big monsters are usually too constrained by game mechanics to feel impressive, and there's this awkwardness with scale vs impact where a truck sized fist takes away about as much of your hp as a regular thug with a sword where logically it should've simply crushed you flat.
>>738897749>nobody brings up the complete and utter kino that is Grigori from Dragon's Dogma
human bosses are almost always more manageable and readable, you just have to read different flavors of sword swing. They're almost never in a "bad" position that makes an attack difficult to see coming
>>738898202Wouldn't it be funny if one of her horns break and she has to always walk with her head slightly titled to keep her head balanced like a deer?
>>738905990Overrated character from an overrated game because it was on a dogshit console without much else to play
>>738905405>watching tranime
>>738897834Why are so many replies being contrarian on purpose? Someone can be an aggressive retard but still not be totally wrong.
>>738903421Shut up nigger dragons are the coolest and most interesting fantasy creatures If your game doesn't have a dragon boss then it's a shit game
>>738906930>dragons are the coolest and most interesting fantasy creaturesDragons were basically created by people combining the coolest traits of different cool animals.
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>>738904053Grendel was essentially a man, even if he had the form of a monster. It's sorta like how even when Ganondorf becomes a werepig, it's still treated as a fight between a man and a deformed man rather than a dragon or out and out completely inhuman monster monster
>>738897834This is one of those things that is the classic bell curve, you think is true if you havent seen a lot of movies, then you watch a lot of movies and you think its untrue, then you watch a ton of movies and realize it actually is true but seeing as this person is a plebbitor I assume they're still on the first part of the graph and are simply a contrarian retard,
>>738899630Midir is cool when you vanquish it on the cliff and he falls down
>>738898471great fight that requires actual precision and decision making
>>738907432such is level of cope has never been seen before
Do you remember Final Fantasy X? Where the threat is the big magic whale monster called Sin?Do you think Sin or Yu Yevon were compelling villains? Or do you think Seymour, who barely actually did jack shit was a better villain in the game?Don't you remember fighting the last boss and thinking 'Wait, what is this? Some kind of bug? That's the last boss? Lame' ?You don't want a big monster to fight. Because that's boring. You don't know what you want.
>>738909668>Do you think Sin or Yu Yevon were compelling villainsYes, I did. Your move.
The only game that did monster design right is monster hunter unironicallyEven old PSP stuff. They feel like animals/bigger pokemonIt's why god eater and toukiden flopped. Too much focus on humans
>>738898202The greatest irony is that when FROM gets to NPC fights it turns to shit because of their godawful AI and compensatory buffs.
>>738897749Here's one that does both.
>>738897749Browns have no internal monologue and cannot conceptualise beyond the nowNon Japanese cannot write good non human characters because they are sub human, much like browns.
>>738906643It was on the Xbox as well, you fool.
>>738905498You and the whole city block.
>>738897749Giant bosses are usually shit to actually fight, they tend to fuck up the camera, they have boring big swipes or aoe attacks that make you run around, you're often stuck swiping at their toes with little feedback.
>>738906645nta, anime website, kys normalniggerfaggot
>>738897749>>738897834I like Monsters better. To assume that monsters aren't born from the hearts of man is a ludicrously niave assumption
>>738913852>anime websiteNope not anymoreKys tranny go dilate while watching your tranime
>>738913910you will never not be a zoomgroid newfaggot lmfao. Anime website now and forever, seethe about it, nigger.
>>738906643>retard is retardedmany such cases
>>738899630I don't care for Midir or Gael but Midir is interminably boring. His actual moveset isn't very difficult to deal with at all, he just has a lot of health and does a lot of damage making for a dull fight. Radahn is also significantly better than Bayle, the camera on Bayle is bad even by From standards.
The big reason no one wants to say out loud is that fights against bik monsters are very badly made and unambitious, and, probably expensive. That would require creativity and not copypasting like an idiot which is what most people do.Monster hunter is pretty good, but still is pretty nonsensical.
>>738897834Personally I really liked Godzilla minus one, really expecting the new movie since the first was really good, and to be fair, his assumption is correct, most of the movie is human drama between the protagonist couple.
>>738898101If a giant boss was agile like a human It would be unplayable. So they need to be lumbering beasts who telegraph their attacks even though there's not necessarily any reason for them to be.
As for OP, because of emotional involvement. Big monster is nobody. But that can be solved too. See Moby Dick. You need to build more for a beast. While for a human you can infer a lot from almost nothing.
>>738914194they often are agile even more than humans tho havre u ever played dark souls. And they should go relatively slow, not absolutely. The paw is still coming fast and you should start running at the start of the movement, not the end to make sure u know where u go, u have enough buiotl up momentum, and find a palce to dodge better. Ofc you never ever have this because it would require design and work.
>>738897749Bosses are meant to be stronger than the player character to give a challenge obviously, even when story wise they can be weaker.A giant monster is obviously stronger but when it's another guy it gives the boss some kind of vibe like oh this thing is gonna do some crazy shit better than mine but I am still gonna kick its ass, it's like you're dealing with a stronger adversary or rival instead of a big lumbering beast, makes it almost personal.Also iz kewl and less gimmicky usually
>>738897749Why is he thinking his own face, instead of making the expression? Does the artist not get it? Like why draw two seperate blank faces when you’re redrawing a full face next to them anyways? Put the faces on the body
>>738914194Anon it may suprise you to know that large and heavy animals things move relatively sluggishly irl.
>>738897749Is this game gud?
>>738914504You might be surprised by a moose
>>738914476>Bosses are meant to be stronger than the player character to give a challenge obviouslyThat has ceased being the case for about 35 years.
>>738914539That's not nearly as large as what you would consider a giant videogame boss.
>>738914541they tend to have crazier attacks and more health, sometimes a single boss basic attack is as big as the player's super, of course it depends on the game and shit but on average a boss should be even a wee bit challenging and powerful
>>738914580You are fucking stupid
>>738897749It's hard to make a boss epic if you can only see 10% of its entire body at any given time. Maybe it'd be better if devs would adjust the camera to make them more visible. It would also help in tracking movements.They also tend to be incredibly slow. It's like playing a rhythm game on super easy where the game has little to do with rhythm games and more with a series of QTEs. If you can hit the boss between the attacks, they become pushovers. But offtentimes you're just waiting around too.
>>738914648We're talking about why big things are not that quick, and a moose is not that much larger than you compared to, say, the Asylum Demon from Dark Souls, so of course the demon moves more sluggishly than a moose or a human.
>>738914047You will never be a womanNewfags are taking over this website and you won't do shit :,)
>>738902938the movie was just an excuse to have mechzilla appear
>>738915167you newniggers are the trannies lmfao, your entire generation is all sissies.
>>738897749>giant dragon boss battle>you bite his ankles until his HP bar runs out>dark k***ht boss battle>it's an actual back and forth battle using the full range of the game's mechanics
>>738897749video essays and completely made up lore gave people this mindset
>>738897749Why someone made an less funny version of The Capitan meme?
>>738897749>game has magic dragons and powercreep galore at every nook and cranny>the strongest boss is a human fighter with no fancy bullshitabsolute KINO
>>738897834Retarded foid
I love how this only applies to Dark Souls and nothing else
Enemy who's human sized is (usually) easily readable, and it's actually possible to see all their animations while being in melee distance.Of course it's a different deal if game is designed so that you fight big enemies, but if normal enemies are around same size as player with select few being insanely large, there will be issues....Also, rival battles are standard trope in fiction.>>738913415Their NPC fight are rubbish, yes. But human sized fights are good, like Ishin from Sekiro.Though Sekiro also had some really good huge bosses, like Demon of Hatred. Headless Ape was also good, but I don't think he really counts as a huge boss.
>>738900909>big monster boss has huge health bar>devs try to add other ways to deal damage to the boss indirectly>"Hurr Durr gimmick fight! let me chip away at its health bar for 30 minutes!"there's simply no winning
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>>738897749Inferior remake of meme, kill yourself
>>738899936and that boss fucking sucks.I just skip it with the zyklon B gas spell
>>738897834we already have giant robots fighting giant robots piloted by humans with petty drama
>>738915228Please stay in your containment board >>/lgbt/
>>738897749>pre final boss is another human mirroring your abilities, dual wielding shotguns, circle straffing, bunny hooping, and going at 90 miles an hour
>>738897834woman tiergiving retards like this any influence on media is the biggest mistake you can make
>>738897834what about giant alien robots having petty drama and romance?
>>738916008Appeals to male sexuality. Make them they/thems and gay.
>>738915620not it doesn't retard. do you think they prefer fighting the savior statue(DMC4) or dante
>>738897834godzilla vs kong sucked ween but that is not why
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>>738898798>>738898654>Sorry that I'm a bit late to the thread, but how about a sparring session?
>>738913843this boss is the most fun I had in the Souls series
>>738914504t. has never seen an actual large animal up close
>enemy boss starts to believe in himselfKINOOOOOOOOOO
>>738909668>Don't you remember fighting the last bossBraska's final aeon? Yeah, I remember that fight, and it was a fitting last boss in terms of both spectacle, story, and finishing off the character arc of the MC, even if it was a little on the easy side. Yu Yevon isn't a boss, it's a victory lap. It's basically a cutscene rendered in the game's battle system.
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>>738897834Based You are all manchildren for onions facing over robots fighting
>>738897834Giant fighting robots and the indomitability of the human spirit.
>>738898523bottom always reminds me of Iji
Literally Excelsus vs Armstrong. Armstrong was more compelling.
>>738918157Armstrong was built up through the whole game and 2 DLC stories. Excelsus was just some random robot pulled out of the ass without any forethought, in a game where you whack up giant robots all the time.
>>738918157Bladewolf would be a more compelling argument.Or if it has to be a huge mecha fight, GRAD with the sections where you can actually feel the scale of what Raiden is fighting against.Excelsus was at a point where Raiden's power had been "unlocked" and it was just a matter of course for Raiden to completely fuck it up.
