>Garry Newman admits that steam reviews are "painful for us" and Fans "wanted an iteration of Garry's Mod onto the Source Engine. They didn't want an engine and a platform" in new S&Box blogpost. "We cant win that argument". Reassures improvements are coming, But remains confident change was needed.who was in the wrong here?https://sbox.game/news/update-26-05-13
>>738912126You're in the wrong for remaking this thread
>>738912126garry because hes stupid haha
so he's still not willing to admit the disgusting vile sausage people abominations on all the ads and trailers lost him sales?
>>738912126>don't listen to fans>game bombs
>>738912167hes a stupid doo doo head lol
>My only real hope is that eventually everyone will realise that this is a much better way to work for developers, and we'll end up with much better content because of it.If you're selling your software to developers as opposed to players maybe you shouldn't list it as a game and instead list it as a tool.This all seems very silly.
>>738912126>removed the "spiritual successor to garrys mod" line from the steam page lol
>>738912126Dude those player models are so fucking ugly
>>738912126if i were aspiring zoomer game dev with a billion dollar idea i surely wouldn't want my game associated with ugly as sin sausage men, how hard is it to fucking comprehend
>>738912376kek
>>738912126it's funny to see millions of dollars wasted over stupid sausage men
>>738912126You alreaey made this bait thread, i shall bite once moreGTFO GARRY! We do not want your shit wannabe game that predates on minors and wants to become the new robloxJust kill roblox and predatory br/gacha games already, kids are better off playing Nintendo or Sony movie games or ubisoft-like open worlds, at least those game teach good values(christian or not) of saving princesses or perseverating in deperate odds of survival/victory or capekino values like not being racist(ok that one is too woke for me but kids like it anyway)
>>738912126>call it a gmod successor in source 2>it's not a gmod successor in source 2, it's a shitty roblox clone in facepunch engine>nobody likes itGee Garry, I wonder how this could've happened.
>>738912126GARRYISANASSHOLEGARRY IS AN ASSHOLE
>>738914912YES I HATE GARY BLOODY SAAR
i didn't install egs why the FUCK would i pay money to buy a store client
>>738913543Most "gamers" these days play minecraft and roblox so I'm guessing they wanted to make something equally retarded
>>738914939>hating garry means you’re indianprojecting much, shitpreet? garry probably sucks off indians on the spot because he’s a retarded britcuck
>>738914980Cope rahkshi
>>738912369Well the whole point is it's a "marketplace" and engine at the same time Roblox style, but I doubt developers will be persuaded anyway. Developers wanted to work with Source 2, but Garry gave them a shitty Unity/Source 2 hybrid where the documentation is lacking and where anything can get thrown out and/or completely replaced on Garry's whim. It's lacking the in-depth documentation, plentiful tutorials and friendly community of Unity as well as the performance and mature toolset of Source 2. It's basically the worst of both worlds.Speaking of the community, it's full of shitty developers who pump out daily grind shit and/or AI slop, can't handle criticism due to the way the monetization system works causing friction between people. Who would want to associate with a dev community like that?
>>738915016bloddy basterd benchod ok have a nice day
>>738912151The opposite, he is in the right. These are the only good threads on this gay ass faggot board
>One French guy played for 280 hours after posting their negative review. NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DISLIKE A GAME AFTER SPENDING SO MUCH TIME
>>738912126>"wanted an iteration of Garry's Mod onto the Source Engine. They didn't want an engine and a platform"BUT I WANTED BOTH SOURCE 1 IS PAINFUL AND SLOW IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO RACING GAMESglua runs like shitsimfphys runs like shitcpu bottlenecks 24/7no lightmapping for prop UV'sconstrained map size
>create shitty platform 10 years too late>use the most atrocious rightoid sausages to filter leftists>even your own audience fucking hates your ai slop contenthmm.
>>738914967fair but those look silly or cartoonish at worst, not ugly retarded, it's like the worst possible version of ubisoft rabbids without any charm or sass
>>738912126So is it actually easy to make games with it, or a waste of time?
>>738916557
>>738912376
>>738912376fucking finally, people kept misinterpreting it
>>738916387>rightoidrent free. it looks like some lump of shit a leftard tumblr faggot shat out, which it is.
The sausage men remind me of these guys for some reason
Down in the park where the mach men and the machines play kill by numbers
>>738918345These kings look nothing like the reddit sausages.
>>738912126Imagine all the disappointed people seeing the headlines of "GMOD 2 IS HERE" just to be met by this sorry attempt at parroting Roblox business model. Shame on you Garry, you eventually will have to stop compensating for you small member.
>>738918695This but unironically
Tell me about sbox. Is it always online? Are games hosted in their servers? If so, do they enforce content rules?Or is it more like in the old days of game modding (doom, quake, unreal, starcraft, warcraft 3, etc) where you could make ANYTHING and share it and play it without an internet connection and they couldn't censor it?
>>738912126How does he expect to replace gmod when the new game can't even compare in features and content?
>>738919303it's censored. just recently, people were commanding a lot of attention with vibe-coded AI-thumbnailed game modes and so they said "no no" and stepped in
I watched some gameplay of this turd and it unironically looked some NFT metaverse shit instead of GmodApparently it actually has idiots "investing" in cosmetics from this game so go figure
>>738912126>announce retarded ideas>everyone tells you its retarded for years>go through with it anyway >shocked when people dont like it
>>738919509I was wondering more about the actual content of the games. Sex, graphic violence, sexual violence, slavery, racism, sexism, religious discrimination, etc.
Ok seriously why didn't he just make Gmod 2? It seems like another money printer.
>>738919303they're hosted on their servers, they have terms of service with probably sane content, just don't put weird shit on there, no porn
>>738919380It won't replace gmod because gmod has literal decades of hard effort put in by modders,It won't replace roblox because roblox is able to do way more and has a larger userbase that's willing to spend money, so anyone trying to profit from the roblox model would just go to roblox.They took years to release something that would've made sense to do years ago (why???), so now they are going to have to contend with their entire platform being a host for AI slop instead of things made with an ounce of soulliterally all they had to do was make gmod 2 which is what everyone wanted anyway
>>738919908cos garry is retardded
Garry's Mod was a means to create using the Source Engine which made development in the Source Engine approachable for laypeople.Garry's Mod 2 was expected to be the same thing for Source 2, and Valve gave them the materials they needed to make this a reality. Instead, Garry decided to make a means to create things in Garry's Mod 2, which has none of the physics or fun or Source Engine 2 things people wanted and also threw gross thumb people on top.
>>738912376lmaooo. he should remove the source 2 engine mention next because it's barely it anymore after their meddling
>>738919926so it’s entirely fucking useless
>>738920408i don't make nazi porn games so i'm okay
>>738920424You'd be a good boy citizen in north korea
>>738920464why would i want to make a nazi porn game? i've made multiple games so far and i don't feel the need to add offensive politics to it
>>738920516his entire argument on supporting facepunch shadowbanning games/users on a whim hinges on>umm, just dont make natzi games ;)
>>738920702yes, why would i?
>>738920516It's not about you but about anyone and everyone. If you don't want to, that's fine, but means that are limiting by design are inherently flawed.Paint and canvas suppliers don't limit the themes of painters. Camera manufacturers don't limit the themes of photographers. Word or whatever software people use to write books does not censor writers. And so on and so on.I understand the creation software itself doesn't censor, but if it's unavoidably tied to the platform and the platform does censor then the difference does not matter.I live in a country that went through a fascist dictatorship (granted, it ended before I was born) which vetoed themes on cinema, writing, theater, music, etc and nothing good came of it, except maybe clever and surreptitious theme injection in works that censors didn't catch which is interesting, but ultimately didn't make works better by itself.
>>738920938the places you upload creations on is often censored
>>738912126>wanted an iteration of Garry's Mod onto the Source Engine.This is literally all garrys mod is.If you cant get the basic fundamentals in why bother attempting to make the game?
facepunch are complete morons, it started with forcing kara boga onto players of rust
>>738912126I just really hate the player model microtransactions shit.It really, REALLY limits the games you can make in s& box now.I would have given it a shot, but it just seems like a total misstep of a product.
>>738921081>If you cant get the basic fundamentals in why bother attempting to make the game?Because Roblox makes more money than Gmod.
>>738916387>>738918283>the retard sausages are rightoid!>no the retard sausages are leftard!the absolute fucking state of politics
>>738916387Genuine midwit.
>>738920464but I thought garry is le based nazi or something...
>>738921508>It really, REALLY limits the games you can make in s& box now.You can have whatever player models you want given that you implement them into your game's code yourself, and of course they won't be compatible with garrys atrocious cosmetics but it still can be done.
>>738912126>make gay retard bullshit >act like a bullshitting gay retard when others don't want to play your retarded gay bullshit weird
>>738922721>this obviously lefty art inspired thing is le righty>uhh, no it’s not?>WOOOOOW EVERYBODY SURE IS FUCKIN DUMB EXCEPT ME HUHshut up, retard.
>>738920424>le nazi strawmanok let’s do this. what is a nazi? this is why you lost btw
>>738918345Left was found innocent btw
>>738924234i accept your concession
>>738924264and you, my good le sir. sorry. xhir*.
>>738912173This shit is legitimately starting to stink the same way the actual fucking toys for bob employees desperately trying to complain that the only issue people had with crash 8 was tawna
>>738922721>>738924140It's not left or right. It's just american style puritanism.The reason why Garry went with sausage people was to discourage people from sexualizing characters. This sort of scare of attractiveness is common in both right wing conservatives and left wing feminists.
>>738924234A nazi is a national socialist.
>>738924664>discourage people from sexualizing characterswhat the fuck was sexual about dr kleiner????
>>738924664>The reason why Garry went with sausage people was to discourage people from sexualizing charactersnice cope. he just took them from the previous project, uglified them even more, never bothered to update and folded by adding human models anyway because he's a hack that has no idea what he's doing
>>738924704… ok.???
>>738924704What is that?
gmod raped garry
>>738912126>hehe we're gonna double down out of spite we know what's best over players>actually no we change our minds the reviews are so painful for us and we will do better???
>>738925310>>738925359You don't know what national socialism is?Google it friends.
>>738912126I guess amerimutts don't like to be reminded about what do they look like.
>>738912126>do not give fans what they want despite knowing what they want>complain your product is failinggee nobody would've seen that coming!
alright so who's going to make the proper gmod 2?
>>738912126> My only real hope is that eventually everyone will realise that this is a much better way to work for developers, and we'll end up with much better content because of it.Didn't know Tim Sweeney worked at Facepunch too.
>>738925640ok but how does not wanting a watered down, politically sanitised, restricted piece of shit “gaming” platform with fuck ugly sausage retards make someone a nazi
>>738912126Their weird mascot reminds me of that food delivery commercial everyone hated 5(?) years ago
>make a sequel to a beloved game>make the sequel shittier and with less features>"W-W-Why dont they like it?? ;~;"
>>738924729>he doesn't know
Playing s&box is the equivalent of being violently rapedThe entire "game" (if you can even call it that) humiliates you
>>738912209This is the problem with this website. Anonymity makes you think you're safe to say shit like this. None of you yt pussies would EVER say this to a man's face. You think you're tough behind a keyboard, but if you said this to me I'd lay your pigskin ass flat!
>>738926373shut up nigger
>>738925451and you damn well know that any changes he produces will still be snarky, like downplaying ai slop with just a tag to call out ai-generated banner images, to show that people only got mad over a small picture and not the entire mode being dogshit lol
>>738926005I never said it did.I just told you what a Nazi was, like you asked, when the other anon refused.
>>738920378>its not actually Source 2What the fuck is it then?
>>738928052Unholy mixture of things
>>738928052It's source 2 under the hood but the way scripting everything was abstracted and changed it might as well not be.
>>738928517>>738928565something tells me that Garry broke a fundemental rule, and that rule is Keep it simple stupid.
>>738912126Are there even any in-house built games/gamemodes? Unreal has loads of successful games made in it, Unity is, well, Unity, and even Godot features and brags about the handful of succesful indie games made by people on the dev team or outside of it.If S@box is supposed to be a gamdev tool, where the fuck are the GOOD games?
>>738925451Facepunch are retarded tranny snakes
>>738929303I can tell look how fucking bad they're trying to take over for Valve over TF2.
>>738929298https://sbox.game/facepunch/sandboxhttps://sbox.game/facepunch/fairhttps://sbox.game/facepunch/ss2https://sbox.game/facepunch/opium_demohttps://sbox.game/facepunch/sbdmhttps://sbox.game/facepunch/bombroyalehttps://sbox.game/facepunch/sbox-flightpilot
Did this retard think the sausage models would become iconic like Minecraft Steve or something
>hey could you make gmod 2 ? Like gmod but in source 2 ?>Not, here my own shitty version nobody asked for, also here some nft skins oh and if I don't like your game, I will ban you
from a review on the page>Then, because the main menu is jam packed with tabs and panels, if you don't follow the correct flow, you silently create an online server (I think, as I don't know If I created it or joined an empty one). Where I then proceeded to spend a good 45 minutes trying to fumble through the broken tools and make something I would make in GMOD 9. Except while doing so, two random people joined in and spawned some entity that spit out errors all over my screen, blasted some dudes monologue, teleported me to spawn, and displayed effects that brought the whole game to a stall. It forced me to end the games process in task manager while blasting sounds. This is what actually made me start to question everything, as the games by default is LOADED with very rough entities for some reason and many will crash your game. Not to mention, a bunch of somewhat revealing anime models.fucking lmao
>Robloxslop
>>738931991>low quality sandbox mode>tycoon slop>vampire survivors clone>something with a sliver of potential, but has buggy gameplay>low quality deathmatch>bad bomberman clone>yet another generic clonewow.
>>738933149the vampire survivors clone is very well received
>>738933534retard
>3d youtube playablesYOU CAMPED DA WHOLE TIME F'DIS?
>>738934147i accept your concession
>>738933534that's... grim, lol
>i accept your concession
>>738912126Garry is the definition of dying on a hill made out of garbage.
>>738934787when you're out of arguments, there's no point in continuing the discussion
>>738912376KEKAROO they finally realized what bullshit that is this "game" is nothing like gmod
>>738933534Did they say this or are you larping as a facepunch dev?As a simple proof-of-concept, it's okay, but the actual game design is ass. Considering s&box has been out for years to publish games to, and this one is an "official" showing from facepunch, it's absolute garbage.
>when you're out of arguments, there's no point in continuing the discussion
>>738935052>they finally realized what bullshit that isYou're giving them too much credit, they're still in the mindset they've done nothing and it's the customers fault for expecting GMod 2.So obviously removing any mention of GMod will stop people from comparing ShitBox to GMod and they will suddenly buy it.
You know the sad thing about this little retard slap fight is both the shartoid and the facepunch faggot both on some level understand there really isn't a discussion to be had, but they're too retarded to understand making terrible posts with no content is not "an argument" and being the last to make one isn't "winning" the conversation.
>>738935079compared to other games it's quite high, a lot of praise in chats
>>738935425>recommended, promise, needs workGod even the review system sucks massive cocks.
can someone actually tell me why sausage box is actually bad
>he paid 20$ +tip to play temu vampire survivors and lawn mowing simulator
>>738935502yeah it doesn't have review replies, hope that becomes a thing
>>738935540Calling it source 2 is practically false advertisingThe development ecosystem is terribleThe performance and optimization is fucking horrendousThe incentive structure for development directly leads into time wasting mobile game tier shit since payment is based explicitly on how much time you get a player to spend on it, rather than them actually liking it.
gmod works as its own thing because it's built on top of the half-life 2 structure, so you get unique half-lifean custom games, like you would get unique warcraft 3 custom games with the WC3 editor for examples&box instead is a blank slate, it tries to be this engine-level thing that doesn't make too many assumptions about the gameplay so there's nothing going for it since there are already many engines for that purpose with more professional support and development
>>738935540let me count the ways>all around ugly (ugly playermodels, ugly lighting, ugly levels)>runs like shit>has no content>only games are either inferior versions of gmod games or glorified ipad games>ai slop aplenty>$20 and still has fomo microtransactions for ugly playermodels>literally zero reason to play it over gmod despite being a "spiritual successor" i could go on
>>738935540horrible unplayable performance is my #1 reason but there are basically no redeeming factors anyway
>>738935790ShitBox is really just a terrible version of Roblox, and that's saying something.
>backs down on "spiritual successor to Gmod" that everyone called him out on for years>backs down on AI slop>basically backs down on everything that can be quickly changedGood on him for admitting his mistakes and course correcting. But how fucking retarded you have to be when people screamed in his face for years about those problems and he arrogantly hand waved all concerns.I am hoping he backpedals on sausage abominations soon too. People have been telling him those ugly monstrosities hurt marketing for years. Garry is one of those stubborn dumbfucks who can only learn when they get a very hash reality check. And S&box is DoA so the only harsh reality check he is going to get is when it actually completely dies and he gets to reflect and release a postmortem post "okay I admit sausage people were a bad idea, actually".
>>738936118>Good on him for admitting his mistakes and course correcting.See >>738935201
>>738912126watching an arrogant narcissist's bullshit finally bite them in the ass is amazing, couldn't have happened to a worse personhopefully s&box gets filled with more cheap slop because that's what garry deserves, to seethe while drowning in vibecoded garbage, his only remaining audience all skin speculators
>>738936118They didn't back down on AI slop, they backed down on AI thumbnails, huge difference.This isn't an admittance of being wrong, it's telling people to make their low quality garbage less obvious.
>>738918162haha looks like my ex haha...
I JUST BOUGHT MORE HATS IN THE GARRYVERSE
Isn't Garry filthy rich? Rich people should just sit around and have fun being rich. I don't know why you waste your time with this crap when you could be walking down the street tossing money at the trash around you and watching them fight over it.
>>738918162This is why fat girls shouldn't wear chokers
>>738936118>>738936280yeah didn't he say he's completely fine with cynical sloppa taking advantage of their payout system because player engagement = good game?
>>738936752>>738936280>>738936252garry clearly doesn't like listening, he just likes results. he wants to see it himself if something works or not, and i guess he has the money to keep that going
>>738936901Garry really want to believe he's a misunderstood genius and not just another complete retard with a massive ego.
>>738937056What's his lore? I don't know much about him but he definitely feels like a narcissist or something else just from the way he writes.
>>738912167spbp
>>738937379>he definitely feels like a narcissistYeah something about it all.
Garry is like Darksydephil levels of imbecile, but he won the lottery and now he have too much money to realize he is a retard
>>738926373Go wash your chicken with dish soap, nigger.
>>738937642DSP will outlive GarryNo one beats the King of Hate
>>738926373what a fuckin retarded niggerfaggot
>>738915016From Bionicle?
>>738937379>What's his lore?Made a menu so it was less annoying to do what people were already doing with HL2 and spawning in models and props via console commands and fucking around on custom mapsLater on may or may not had help gluing lua to HL2:DM which opened up making shit for the Source Engine to people who don't want to hard code literally everything as a new engine feature.
>>738938812Oh and also theGAME MODE BROWSER! TMThe thing that basically took garrysmod out back and blew its fucking brains out all over the pavement with 100 different DarkRP forks asphyxiating any actual interesting game modes you would want to play.INCLUDINGFUCKINGSANDBOX MODE.THE ENTIRE THING GARRYSMOD WAS MADE FOR
>>738912126This motherfucker is so fucking retarded. Everyone told him for years about the many problems they had with it and he ignored it.Even then people were still excited and saw A LOT of opportunity with this. This COULDVE been steams roblox and made millions upon millions.But he fucked up the launch was bad people now more widely made their complaints heard. He still didnt back down. Now hes seeing that the game is DOA and has to eat shit.Personally for me I WAS interested in using this as an engine but this retard did everything he could to make to make it horrible to use. Its not even Source 2 anymore really which is what everyone who wanted to use it as an engine FUCKING WANTED.
