PVP players are the most oppressed subsection of Gamers.
What are they even talking about lol? No it didn't.
>>738915059Rise the FUCK. UP!
>>738915059Qrd? Why are people complaining?
go play tarkov
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>>738915059>pushing away PVP players>when the update has changes that benefit PVP players the mostcrybabies is the word i'd use
KoS retards killed the game. The launch week was so good when absolutely everyone used their mic
>>738915160It's an article from February, my guess is either the extreme amount of unpunished cheaters or the fact that they're continuing to just flood the maps with Arc robots, which are only really difficult to manage when you're PVPing. The amount of Arc they have in maps now is ridiculous and one of the many reasons why nobody plays this FOTM dogshit anymore.
>>738915059>PvPvE game>fun coming from PvE with PvP chance>actually fuck PvP, let people enjoy unbothered PvE they seems like so much>PvE was made and balanced with PvP in mind>therefore, it's shit>your game is just a frendslop FOTM now>be surprised when player counts tanksmany such cases
I stopped playing in January because going online to complain about being shot at is the possibly the most retarded thing you can do in multiplayer gaming. Everything is fine when they talk back and we can come to an agreement but its no fun when someone is a trifling little bitch or worse yet has no mic and enters an affray that had nothing to do with them.PvE and PvP is fine- each party trying to delete the other because they cant handle it is why the game is going to slip into being dogshit. I say this knowing full well ive aerated someone I didnt trust while fighting off Large Arc ratters and then revived him and explained the circumstances.Never in my life did i think it would be the normies that are too autistic to play with.
>>738915160People who are aggressive are put in a lobby with people with similar aggression levels due to design, making it so that pacifist and cooperative players don't see PvP chads nearly as much. I don't really see an issue, I think it's an organic way to let players choose their own experience, while still having that tension of not being 100% safe. People complaining about these things are often the pvp players who don't actually like to play pvp against people who are just as competitive as they are.
>>738915389The game is tanking because its PvP only retard.
>>738915389>many such casesName three.
>>738915059That's because PVPers are always trying to sell you a fight, whether it's in the game or outside of it.Little bastards have no right to complain when they therefore make a sale.
>>738915160People who attack other players frequently get put into lobbies with other people who also do that. The complaining thus comes from people who do not actually want to PVP but instead just want to shoot people in the back instead of having people fight back or shoot first.
Because the PVP in the game is absolute ass. You can and do die within less than 1 second at times. I mean shit probably less than half a second. The average human reaction speed is like 200ms or whatever. In the time it takes you to even see you're getting shot, react to it, and also need to do anything else like pull your gun/aim/etc, you're either 70% dead, or already dead. The heavy shield is useless and will only actually save you like 1/100th of the time while it slows you down monumentally the entire time[s] you use it.What is the point of trying to take the game seriously when whomever faggot wants to run up on you with a weak ass SMG and rip your ass out before you even say "don't shoot" and they get all your loot? It's boring. It isn't "exciting", it's a waste of time. And that isn't even counting the more over powered shit like full level shotguns, modded renegades, explosive spam, and so on.It's been a while since I've played so many they've updated the stats on those things to be more balanced, idk, but the point still stands. The PVP isn't fun.
>>738915059>give """""PVP""""" players lots of fellow PVP players to PVP with>they hate itIt's just griefers like dark souls.
>>738916127they want easy hahaha, fuck em
why dont they just play single players shooters like idk escapce from duckov. extraction shooter with no pvp is a ridiculous concept.
Reminds me of what happened to MMOs where everyone loved being the asshole but hated playing with other assholes.
PvP has always been about sadistically killing people who don't want it though?
>>738915126made me laugh
>>738915059Marathon won
>>738916447Not if the player count is your metric lmao.
>>738915160It's literally just bullies being mad that they don't have easy prey anymore.>pick fights with other players often>get put in lobbies with other players who pick fights often instead of more passive/cooperative players>"omg it's all sweaty tryhards, this is so unfun">>738916212Extraction shooters and PvPvE in general are a stupid fucking genre and a microcosm of pic related. Anyone who plays them deserves whatever frustration they derive from them.
>>738915059thats why pvpers need a containing room on every game
>>738915059Pushing away PvPplayers? Explain, I might re-install.
>>738916127Yeah no shit. If people buy a PVP looter shooter they expect that product. If you were selling an arena deathmatch, your customers would be satisfied when you give them arena deathmatch. If you're selling a looter shooter you're selling a game where taking potshots at some scavenger with a sniper rifle while he's looting and then running his pockets is part of the core experience. If you release that, then later start to separate players into VRchat friendly social lobbies and arena deathmatch lobbies you are actively fighting the most integral part of what makes your game part of this genre, so of course customers will feel a bit betrayed.
>>738916905Yeah I suppose PvPbabs can't handle actually playing with each other, they hate it.
>>738915059>pvp players get pvp'd out of their gamesgood
>>738915059PVPVE never works because PVE players don't want to deal with PVP players and PVP players don't want to deal with PVP players, they just want to bully PVE players who aren't ready for a fight with them.
>>738916905Lot of mental gymnastics to say you're a shitter who can only kill unsuspecting players.
>>738917130Why is the act of an unsuspecting player being killed something to be feared? Are you the kind of player who complains about "campers"? If you make a game without it, you might as well make another boring 3-lane game with no bushes where people always have an angle on you.That kind of gameplay does not describe this genre. So this just reads like you don't like the genre and would prefer to purchase an arena deathmatch game.
>>738916905It's still a pvp looter shooter. There's still PVP going on, it's just that if you shoot on sight, you'll get more often put to the lobbies where people do the same. I see no issue with this.
>>738917778Notice how nobody here is complaining about anything here but you. Projecting pussy faggot.
>>738917778On the contrary, it's far more interesting if it's uncertain if the other player is going to shoot at you, rather than knowing that everyone is out for blood. It There's plenty of extraction shooters where killing on sight is the norm, and those aren't doing too hot with their player counts in comparison.
>>738915059>Make PvP focused game>Alienate PvP playerbaseIt's retarded, pure and simple retardation. They want to have their cake and eat it too by trying to cater to both the PvP and PvE players at the same time.
>>738915739>I don't really see an issue, I think it's an organic way to let players choose their own experienceThe issue is I don't want to choose my experience and I'm not strictly pacifist or PvP. Half the fun of this game on launch was playing rounds by ear and finding out what kind of lobby you got. I liked going from a couple friendly lobbies to booting into a match and immediately hearing gunfire all around me. That was what was fun about the game. The variety and uncertainty. Arc Raiders sucks ass as either primarily PvE or PvP but that's what they forcibly turned it into instead of letting lobbies actually be organic.>People complaining about these things are oftenMaybe you'd be able to see the issue if you didn't lump everyone who doesn't like it into one dismissible stereotype you imagined. I wonder how often you fail to understand things because of that kind of behavior.
It literally wouldn't be an issue if they just insensitive PVP players to attack PVP players more than PVE players. That's literally all they need to do. As it is PVE players are not only easier to kill due to their loadouts being made for arc rather than players but they're also more rewarding in terms of loot cause the PVE loadouts are way more expensive than PVP loadouts which more often than not are just the cheapest fucking shit you can find. It's beyond stupid that there's no actual reason to focus on PVP players.
>>738915059>devs: Its clear that people do not like pvp in this game, we will focus on them>pvpfags: NO YOU MUST MAKE THE GAME FOR US REEEEEEEEE>devs: so you want us to make a pvp only mode where only players with pvp mode toggled on can que against each other?>pvpfags: *oppressive silence*>devs: thats what I thought
>>738918217>Half the fun of this game on launch was playing rounds by ear and finding out what kind of lobby you got.You got clear reading comprehension issues, midwit. That is exactly how it is now. If you get lumped together with people who shoot the moment they see you, that's on you. The lobbies are the product of people organically choosing how they want to play. Killing someone out of the blue doesn't put you into a GTA style bad manner lobby, it's a score that changes over time.Just admit that you want to shoot people who don't want to play pvp, instead of all these mental gymnastics.
>>738915059I know the game is in maintenance mode now but do we really have to warm up drama from february to talk about arc raiders?
>>738918753>You got clear reading comprehension issues, midwit>That is exactly how it is now. If you get lumped together with people who shoot the moment they see you, that's on you.Actually incredible that you can be this confidently retarded while insulting other people's intelligence. Only three sentences and I already know there's no possible way to drill the simple point I was trying to make into your head. I almost envy your lack of awareness and understanding. Have a good day, I won't be reading anything more from you. I imagine you'll probably just say concession accepted like a human chatbot anyway.
>>738920035Lol> it was real in my head
>>738920035>says the equivalent of "just in advance I win if you say concession accepted"How broken are you by the retards on this site? You're here desperately trying to win word games with your fellow retards.
>>738915243Just to riff off of what you've said "arc are only difficult when you PVP", there is a large cohort of people who are vocal about just wanting the PVE aspect of the game. That's insane to me. The depth purely comes from having to navigate the PVE systems while fighting off players. I genuinely hate the mentality of "this needs to meet my needs" rather than selecting a product based on said needs.
>>73891821710 bucks says you're the type of PvP'er who likes to scout out weaker, or solo players in a lobby and gank them when you know you have the upper hand. But since that's much harder to do in Arc because of how your actions determine what type of lobbies you get, you can't do that and often times find yourself in PvP lobbies with people just as sweaty and gank heavy as you.PvP'ers get what they've been asking for forever in this game, you get lobbies with other PvP'ers and not PvE'ers, and yet they still piss and moan. It's because the majority, though not all desu, of PvP'ers in these types of games like killing weaker players, that's literally it.
>>738921582>But since that's much harder to do in Arc because of how your actions determine what type of lobbies you getYou realize the vast majority of PvP games are just...PvP, right? That other extraction shooters are pretty much shoot on sight for everybody?
Just put productive members of society who work 40 hours a week into a different lobby than retarded loser NEETs
>>738921773braindead retard
The people who pick these kinds of games up just for PvE and then whine when there's PvP in them are some of the most mentally ill people I've ever seen. I honestly thought it was blatant trolling at first.
>>738922040Hi, braindead retard, I'm anon.
"PvP" players who play this shit don't actually want a competitive experience, they just want to stomp. They're all shitters who are too pussy to play a real PvP game
>>738915059PVP enjoyers are the titans holding up the entire online gaming space and yet get shit on constantly by PVEcels and singleplayer-only fake gamers who can’t even finish the first mission of a campaign.
>>738915160Players come in two flavors.The retards who would shoot you in the back for a can of beans.And the retards who would rather try talking to other players before shooting them.The former, when they shoot people in the back, gets put in lobbies which are exclusively filled with people who shoot you in the back.Apparently being in servers, alongside players with the same mindset as their own, is 'punishment'.TL;DRNiggers commit thefts, get put in prison and complain how racist it is that it's full of niggers
>>738922190>They're all shitters who are too pussy to play a real PvP gameI don't understand this argument. The game is designed around people engaging in PvP. They did buy a PvP game. This is only something you'd be upset about if you think it's a PvE game and are upset people are engaging in PvP with you in the game where it's an explicit feature. In which case, they can say you're a retard too stupid to go play a real PvE game.
>>738921773You realize how I said " in Arc ", right? Not talking about other extraction shooters.
I play The Finals and it's such a mechanically fun and unique shooter but they flood the store with AI generated stickers and sprays and sounds. I wish they wouldn't debase their product with chink slop that adds nothing of substance.
>>738922568>Players come in two flavors.No, they don't. There's also the people like me who'd be fine talking it out or leaving people be but also want a random mix of people willing to shoot them in the back in their lobbies because that's what makes the game not boring as fuck. You faggots need to pretend people like me don't exist and that everybody who disagrees with you is a rat because it's the only way you don't have to acknowledge what a retarded pussy you are for crying about getting shot in the ass in the game where you get ganked and looted in the fucking tutorial.
>>738922914You realize how you said PvPer in general and then said it's harder to do their usual behavior in Arc as though you were comparing it to other games? You realize the next part of your post talked about PvPers getting what they asked for, presumably from other games, and then you said 'in these types of games' while referring to PvPers? Did you have ChatGPT generate your post and you don't even understand what it said for you or are you just being a disingenuous faggot right now?
>>738923034Don't complain about being put in nigger-jail for acting like a nigger, nigger.
>>738923382The core topic was still Arc you braindead mongoloid. I'm sorry your retarded ass needs literally everything explained and handheld for you to understand, holy shit. The core topic was still PvP in Arc.
>>738923584I'm not in nigger-jail. That's the problem. I have to act like a nigger to get niggers in my lobbies. I don't want to act like a nigger but if I don't then I'm forced into carebear lobbies with pussies like you and even if I do act like a nigger then it means I only get niggers. And you queers either cannot or refuse to comprehend this.
>>738918058Alienating the pvp playerbase by having them play with each other?
>>738917036And yet exclusively pvp games still find audiences, curious.
Look at how the PvP player recoils when told he will have to play with people like himself
>>738923825>WTF I SHOT SOMEONE IN THE BACK AND NOW I AM LOBBIED WITH BACK SHOOTERS>WOE IS ME!
>>738923969This was something I noticed IMMEDIATELY when people realized that Arc Raiders had this sort of matchmaking. A good chunk of PvP players seemingly hate the idea of being matched up against of PvP players. It's very telling.
>>738923969Look at how the PVE baby recoils when someone suggests he face actual an challenge in a video game
>>738915059Pvp players are usually cowards that love to grief other players, they do not want competition but rather live out there narcissistic psychopathic power fantasy by dominating, the world would be a better plays without these "people"
>>738921526Personally I would have loved Arc to be PvE only as there feels like there's a void of co-op games that aren't either PvP orientated or some "quirky" game like peak. However I don't complain to Arc devs to make their game more PvE focused, I just don't play it and hope something to my tastes is eventually made.
Thread kinda reminds me of the people who think New World failed because they switched it from a PvP game to a mostly PvE game.
>>738915059The only people that are mad are the ones who can't farm noobies and stroke their ego. If you're about it then rip and tear. Blood for the blood god, but you're not so stop crying and be a pacifist you are inside. You're not him.
>>738924161>i signed up for a game where people can shoot me and now someone is shooting me, this is an outrage!
telling people that behavior matchmaking was real was a mistake tbdesu, allowing people to game the system by getting themselves killed over and over again is goofythere are people who kill themselves over and over again so they can enter a carebear lobby and wipe it
>>738924296That was always going to happen ever since the famous case of fox v hen house.
>>738924296>there are people who kill themselves over and over again so they can enter a carebear lobby and wipe itAnd we call those people, Faggots, anon.
>>738924039>only ganks people weaker than him>tells others they're afraid of challengeThose in glass houses, anon
>>738915059They all cheat, I stopped playing pvp games a wile back now and I'm glad I did.
>>738922682Arc Raiders is a game where the appeal of the game is less engaging in sweaty mechanical PVP (which isn't very good) and more about the situations that come from PVP being possible but not guaranteed so I get being annoyed playing with people who are ONLY there for PVP. The most baffling thing I've seen are people who can't conceive of why you would play the game if you're not shooting everyone on sight. Most of my best encounters in arc were from a mix of friendly and hostile players. Just one brand of player encounter gets stale. Marathon is an extraction shooter where PVP is clearly the entire game and you only have yourself to blame if you get shot in the back. In Arc if a guy plays nice the entire round and then shoots you in the back at the last moment it's honestly totally moronic to expect you to express good gamer conduct and go "ggs." the game just isn't a competitive thunderdome you're supposed to be playing around trust.
>>738924489>basic vac free experiencelol, lmao. Good. It's a classic.
>>738924380I don't even play this game, I'm only on exclusively pvp games. And uh, basically, you're gay.
PvE casual here. Can the PvE crowd not simply toggle off PvP? I played WoW vanilla and had a very comfy time because I played a PvE server and everytime I waited at a dungeon and read party chat of my Alliance party members whining about getting ganked and having to walk back I just thought "it's opt-in you know"I played a tauren shaman btwMoo!
>>738924680>He thought that was going to help himkek
>>738918217you seem unpleasant as fuck, im glad you are having a bad time, it means the devs are doing their job.really the game should have a pvp opt in/out, most people clearly dont want to, and give no fucks about what youd prefer, you ratting piece of shit.
>>738924737If you can't handle another human being better at the game than you, you can always play drg or the new drg or helldivers or vermintide or darktide or cod zombies or borderlands or whatever hugbox coop shooter I can't think of off the cuff.
>>738921526maybe you are the insane ans out of touch one here, people dont like pvp, simple as>but i do!1!1good for you, go to pvp lobbies then>nooooo i want to pvp vs people who dont want to pvp!1!1eat shit
>>738924906nta but tbf the game is partially built around sometimes having to engage with pvp that you don't want it's like the main source of tension
>>738924869Or you can always fuck off as well. Hope that helps. We're not here to accommodate your desires, retard.
>>738922682>>738915243Demanding segregation of PvP and PvE after buying a game thats explicitly advertised as a PvPvE hybrid game is genuine mental illness. I bought the game because I enjoy having to deal with PvE and other players at the same time and the dynamics of stealth and noises introduced by such. But PvEfags whined so much its now that the playerbase is now segregated into 100% PvE and 100% PvP and all the catering to PvEfags has also thrown off the balance of PvE and PvP in PvP lobbies with how all the new enemies they added are just designed around PvE only lobbies and just overwhelm you if youre also trying to deal with other players at the same time.I just went back to Hunt Showdown and also enjoyed dabbling in Marathon but theyre about to ruin that game too. This game is just cursed because people keep buying games while actively hating 50% of the gameplay loop.
>>738924692sadly no cow bro
>>738924953Why aren't you playing something that caters to your desires? Why did you buy a game that's centered around something that you don't like?
>>738925024I am. You're not. Literally. It's simple really.
>>738923772Goddamn, you are one dumb motherfucker. How do you write a post out and fail to understand what your own words are saying? This board has gotten really stupid over the years but Arc players keep showing a whole new low. It'd probably be an improvement if you actually did use ChatGPT for posting. Maybe it could help you follow a simple argument.
>>738918217This is true, and the retards here will complain about the state of a game they begged for, because they're too retarded to see why they enjoyed the game in the first place.
>>738925071But you want the devs to fundamentally change how the game works and get rid of the meanies who aren't letting you play a coop shooter
>>738918217true post, the uncertainty was a large part of the funcasual players are a blight on experimental games because they always advocate for iterating the rough edges out of them (and then accuse you of being a sweaty egomaniac if you disagree even if they're entirely motivated by not wanting their ego harmed when they play)
>>738915059Just fucking make pvp and pve game modes at this point without retarded account karma.
>>738924934i see that argument a lot, but for most people, its very unpwrsuasive, as moat people want to engage with pvp never, and just like the aesthetics and world and killing arci think the game would benefit from a pvp flag, as have games forever, that way pwople who hate pvp never have to engsge with itthere really is no downside, people who want pvp never, get what they want and the rest get what they are doing atm anyway>but what if everyone opts out of pvp?then that proves that most people dont enjoy the pvp shit and everyone is happier except a very toxic subset nobody likes anyway i guess
>>738925141>soldier walks into town>I am here to fight!>Good! Here is our garrison>n-nooo where's your preschoolNot everything is about you. You've been segregated and given a place to do what you want. Use it.
>>738924692>I played a tauren shaman btwbased pveGOD>Can the PvE crowd not simply toggle off PvP?but noArc Raiders is an extraction shooter that operates under the lazy design umbrella of PvEvP, and like all the rest of them, engaging the with the E in any capacity is just begging to be ganked without recourse by PvP while borderline defenseless in a game with a very low time to kill(ttk). AR's only real benefit it has going for it is a matchmaking algorithm that sorts the players by their general behavior, and as these incessant threads indicate, there's nothing worse for a PvP murderhobo's enjoyment than being matched with kindred spirits. While they will screech endlessly, this segregation will help AR's longevity in the long run and keep them from raping the casuals and the game to death before moving to another extraction shitter
>>738925228You're comparing yourself to a toddler?
>>738925273I've given you the soldier. Why are you crying?
>>738925219game design brain but sometimes it is good for your game to make people do things that they don't necessarily want to do and letting people take the easy road out dilutes the experienceeasy mindless games are very popular but the spirit of arc that gave it such extreme word of mouth in the first weeks was the unpredictability. saying it should be removed to hurt sweaty pvp players is insane.
>>738917778A game where 10% of players shoot on sight is exciting, you never know who's going to try killing you.A game where 100% of players shoot on sight (tarkov, dayZ, the isle, etc) is not exciting because 'another player' does not equate to 'exciting unknown encounter' but rather 'another person to shoot on sight, lest I be shot on sight'.
My problem was that I don't like playing extraction shooters with my friends. Either they're too passive or too aggressive. It's hard to find someone who has your exact level of risk aversion.>aggro friends just sprint to whatever high value loot area the meta shitters have picked out for them. Sprint everywhere, all the time. Never enjoy the atmosphere or take intelligent fights. Betray people at the drop of a hat>passive friends never take any fights at all. Completely avoid combat unless forced into it at a disadvantage, thus reinforcing the cycle.>Both categories are loot goblins, too. So even if you find someone to play with around your aggro level, they've got their face in a box the whole fuckin time.I think I just don't like extraction shooters.>t. 2000 hours in tarkov like the retard I am
>>738925228This joke hits different in 2026
>>738925337kek
>>738925185it's just a bad idea for a game like this imo, i heard very mixed reports on what happened when they did this to sea of thieves. some people said nothing changed, some people said it actually ruined the game i'm a little inclined to believe the the latter, it's not exactly the same thing but when elden ring made pvp opt-in for no benefits i felt that the community experience became significantly worse
I will never comprehend the sheer brainrot required to buy a game with PvP, finish a tutorial where you literally get shot in the back and looted, and then cry over and over when you load up matches and other players do the thing the tutorial braced you for instead of refunding and buying a game you would actually like.
>>738925337I can't see how.Someone living in 1959 doesn't seem a very reliable source of civics.
>>738925303>i am a widdle baby with juicy loot directly in your crosshairs, PLEASE don't shoot me!
>PVE players are not actually the majority!>Tarkov not only has a highly popular singleplayer mod for years, it actually adds a PAY TO ENTER PVE mode which also sells like hotcakesIf you want to make fucktons of money? Make a PVE game, unless you can compete with the existing PVP games (you can't)
>>738925515>I am afraid to take on a real challenge I am really good actually p-please don't make me go out there with those animals
>>738925529i mean existing pvp games are also better at retention because they sell on a competitive experience with infinite replayability and a potentially decades-long improvement grindpve games are much more "I'm bored with this, time to move on to the new thing"
pvp should never be mixed with pve, because that invites the most obnoxious faggots to your gamepvpfags will shit, piss and cry if someone dares to not want to engage in their pvp dick measuring contest
>>738925325i disagree, what made it good at the start was that it was a novel experience and it had a fun honeymoon period. but the honeymoon period is done now and you have two groups of players that cant coexist long term, the pve players who never want to pvp and will quit if you force them to, and the pvp players who dont want to play with pvp players and also will quit if you force them to. you can see from the numbers that both groups tend to quit and move on as things get more annoying for them, i posit that the people who detest pvp and just want to pve while larping and emoting, ate a majority. and as such. are the ones that make more sense to cater to, as what usually happens is the sweaty worthless neets tend to drive everyone else away if left to their own devices, and have no money and dont buy anything snywau due to being sweaty worthless neets.
>>738924250>PVP fag signs up to a boxing match and brings a machete>WTF why are the other boxers not interested in a good fight!?
>>738915739>segregate players>organic way
>>738925592I like being among people like me though? I play games that cater to what I want, why aren't you?
>>738925658Are the pvpers hacking and pay to winning or are you getting upset that someone interrupted your session with the dummy in the corner and punched you in the face?
>>738925607PVP games generally last longer, but inevitably die and stay dead for good.I can boot up Left For Dead 2 and it plays just fine, and I can enjoy some rounds with my buddies.There's a laundry list of PVP games that you cannot even download anymore let alone play.
>>738925667You aren't though. You're larping. If what you said was true you'd be dual wielding axes charging the front line because it doesn't matter who is in front of you. Instead you're picking targets in the back. OOOoo shit, single mom, stroller we are go. WOLVES DESCEND. That's you.
>>738925625the novelty was from the unpredictable player encounters because it generated organic storytelling lol, everyone selling the game talked about moments like these that required the potential of killing each other but showing trustshit like meeting a guy pinned down by a player sniper behind a rock and teaming up to go get him. Arc's PVE only really works in the context of having players around. nothing is threatening enough otherwise. at this point you're baiting but I still think it's interesting to talk about. so many people talk about their aversion to any mechanic that doesn't immediately make them comfortable like they're an expert and it's so strange to me. of course a game making you do things that you don't necessarily want to do has value
>>738925723PVP'ers are using various meta gear sets and tactics which the developer never intended to actually exist.Before a boxing match you're generally not supposed to punch the opponent in the back of the head while he's talking to his manager.
>>738925609>pvp should never be mixed with pve>pvpfags will shit, piss and cry if someone dares to not want to engage in their pvp dick measuring contestAnd PvEfags will shit, piss, cry, and demand the game be changed to allow for PvE only instead of actually accepting the mix as you've made evident. What a funny post.
>>738925734mmm a great many old multiplayer games even going back into the 90s have dedicated oldhead playerbases, many very old fighting games have small dedicated playerbases, same with RTSes, arena shooters
>>738925797>pvpers are bad because... they use superior tacticsOkay man>>738925780What are you even saying
>>738918217I like how many people made wildly absurd assumptions about your character over this lukewarm ass level-headed post.
>>738925862Oh no. He's retarded. I understand now. Of course it makes all the sense.
>>738925862>PVPers are bad because they use underhanded un-fun tacticsGames are made to be fun, retard. If it's not fun, why bother?
>>738925895It's embarrassing to reply to yourself
>>738925895nta but happens with every casual/hardcore discourse
>>738925141Question.Why are you upset that you aren't lobbied with people who won't shoot back?
>>738925971nta but dae le ebin bacon narwhale??
>>738926004he isn't, he wants to be lobbied with people for whom that is an open question
>>738926107That already exists ingame, if you shoot players you get put into player-shooter lobbies.Why are you upset that you're being lobbied with players who are potentially dangerous?
>>738926004I've already posted that I have 385 hours in Marvel Rivals. I could pull up my time in For Honor, which is over 3k.>>738925930Have you tried adapting or playing a coop game against bots that aren't capable of any tactics?>>738925914If you're upset about me using not using melee (my top character is Mr Fantastic btw) in a game where everyone has access to guns I don't really know what to say about that.
>>738926094Unfortunately ever since the frog tourist it do.
>>738926176it's not an open question if every player knows when they're in the murder lobby or the carebear lobby
>>738926193>non-sequiturThank you big chugus. Very cool. You've protected your ego from utter destruction with delusion.
>>738926193So play Rivals and For Honor more then? Why do you join a PVPVE game and treat it like a COD deathmatch?
>>738925795novelty, by definition, is transient.
>>738926279still worth preserving the aspect that made your game fresh and memorable, no?
>>738915739Part of the charm of games with open pvp like that is not knowing how the players will react to you, segregating based on behavior kills this
>>738926267I don't play extraction shooters, I'm here to laugh at you for crying about the pvpve game having pvp
>>738926412Not segregating based on behavior results in 100% of players killing you anyways.The "DayZ Effect"PVP fags enforce everyone to KOS or be KOS'd. The end result is servers where there are no interactions aside from KOS.
>>738926412There's always middle ground to live in. Kill one, let one go. The algo will never be able to read you.
>>738926482Nobody's crying about Arc having PVP in it though? It's just PVPfags bitching about being lobbied with other PVPfags.
>>738926507that's a design issue and arc already skirted around it to a certain degree. there were multiple times early in arc's life where you would see "it's over, the playerbase is like rust now, everyone just KOSes" only for that to not be true.third person, ubiquitous loot, dangerous pve can all make people a little less likely to panic or over-value their lives and shoot on sight
>>738917084This. Tale old as time. See: redniggers whining about Elden Ring seamless co-op.
>>738926645Oh yeah the dev team just spontaneously decided to walk back on pvpve completely on their own for no reason and certainly not because of anyone crying>the pvesissy will tell you what happened but not what he did
>>738926678It's hardly a design issue, it's a player issue.If players who want to shoot other players CAN, they WILL.Players shooting other players, makes players shoot players, until there's nothing left but players shooting players.DayZ in the first few months was a fucking great experience, heaps of people 'holding up' each other, robbing each other, talking to each other. Skip ahead a year and hearing anything but gunshots is basically finding a unicorn.
>>738926763They found there were two categories of players and they cater to both. What's the harm in that? They make more money and more players are happy. Win win.
>>738926336you cant preserve novelty anon, you can preserve players, but you cant continously give them novel experie ces, any stimulus will only be novel once and will get increasingly more boring as it repeats.so no, its impossible, all they can do is add arc or maps, but they cant ever give people the experience they had at the start again, as they arent the same people anymore.you cant have really unpredictable lobbies because both the pve and pvp types will get used to and make optimized kits for one of the two and be unable to do the other/will gravitate tkwards extremes that are most viable for what they enjoy and least for what they do not.and essentially nobody enjoys losing, which is the ultimate big issue here, you only get to kill the pve guys so many times before they quit for good. the pvp ones too actually but the pvp ones have a higher tolerance for it i guess as long as they get to kill too once in a while.the real issue is finding the sweet spot for the latter as they dont like playing just each other and they dont like it being 50/50 either, cue the screeching when sbmm, but alas, other than giving them lower skill lobbies, they will always cry. and giving them lower skill lobbies is impossible long term
>>738926832He can't kill anyone now. Don't you care you fucking monster?
>>738924296yes
>>738925895That's Arc Raiders players for you. The kind of PvEfags that play games with PvP and get mad there's PvP are fucked in the head. They can't acknowledge any middleground position that enjoys the full PvPvE aspect and a blend of friendly and hostile players in their lobbies because it'd force them to accept that they've been actively campaigning to ruin the game for the people that enjoyed what's unique about it the most. It has to be them vs pure PvPfags and the PvPfags all have to be rats that enjoy griefing every chance they get.
>literally running around shooting people on sight and looting them like it's apex legends>get put in a queue with people that do the same>"wtf this is alienating pvp players"
>>738926869no, fuck him he sounds unpleasant as fuck good riddance
>>738926832As other people in this thread mentioned it kills the mystery of how other people behave, which is downgrading the experience and walking back on pvpve
>>738926839you definitely can preserve novelty as long as the experience is good and you can't get it in many other places. there are games i kept playing for a decade because I didn't feel I could get the experience anywhere else.
>>738926917What mystery? If you don't segregate, all lobbies are KOS lobbies.There's no mystery in 'footsteps? Better KOS them because they're going to KOS me!'Are you new to multiplayer games? Because that's all they've been for the last 15 fucking years lmao.
>>738926917Play Harry Potter if you want mystery you fucking idiot. Or even better put up a 2x1 next to a clan compound in rust.
>>738926869How many times do I have to mention that I mostly play pvp games
>>738926926but then its not novel anymore, its an exlerience you are looking for, and expecting. and you depend on other people also feeling the same way
PVPVE games are social experiment garbage. They can't work, just like how society stops working after a certain threshold percentage of niggers is passed.
>>738915059>PvP playersWhat, you mean cheaters? They should be oppressed.
>>738925828It doesn't hurt the developers or the game if a pve-only server is made.The persisting problem is that a lot of games have great PvE, but for some reason the devs decided to mix PvP into it.Some people just want to play the great PvE part and that's fucking okay.It doesn't hurt the PvP players, because these PvE people were not interested in fighting them anyway. Unless by PvP we're talking about "I'm going to go pubstomping some people who don't even fight back tee-hee", then it's just not a good look for PvPfags lmao
>>738926789you solve player issues with design, that's the point. you design to control bad player behavior. If player behavior is out of hand that's something you have to design for. going "it's a behavior problem" is a bit of a copout- it's a videogame, players are going to test limits and see what they can get away with if there's no real consequences for their actions.take ultima online, initially launched as a "you can do absolutely anything" game. people played as such assholes and griefed so effectively given an environment where they had no restriction that they had no choice but to rein it in and remove some of that freedom. If you want a game that allows free behavior you need to somehow discourage bad behavior and encourage mutually beneficial behavior. it's a precarious balance, if you don't do enough you end up with Rust where it's law of the jungle, if you do too much you end up with fallout 76 where pvp is absolutely meaningless even though it's possible.
>>738927002>PVE players are the REAL problem in gaming!>Multiple Ark Survival Evolved servers literally died because PVPfags would hoard all the player slots, and destroy all player buildings on the map and their mounts so they could have zero retaliation
>>738915059>plays a PvPvE game>goes in to game with the sole intention of ONLY focusing on PvP - gets put in games where other players he sees are also in the game for PvP>everyone has shoot on sight mentality, so he can't betray, socially manipulate or ambush anyone as easily>bitches how the game is now ruinedI don't get it, if the PvP was their goal, why are they whining?Secondly, if PvP was their goal, why did they choose PvPvE game for that? why not something that's purely PvP focused?PvP fags are only "oppressed" because they choose to play games that were never built with PvP as it's core, and games which are inherently imbalanced as everyone is running either peasant gear or bringing OP gear from their storage.There is no joy in being the one who gets fucked by overgeared playersThere is no joy in beating someone who had no chance (IE backstabbing someone who didn't even have anything valuable - this SHOULD just make you feel lke a sack of shit with no skill)
>>738926994That's supposed to mean something? How many of your 3k for honor hours are not against bots? You got footage?
>>738927070Wow it's almost like redniggers are niggers. Who'd have guessed?
>>738927069They are designing to stop bad player behaviors. If you act like a nigger ingame you get lobbied with nigger players.Seems fair to me?
>>738927148you're being silly but designing to the point where everyone knows what they're in for is arguably the "going too far" that I talked about
>>738927084Look you fucking SISSY, I want to join a fucking PVPVE game and shoot players who don't shoot back, okay!?Is that so much to ask for? I want to enter lobbies of tens of people and kill them all without dying!Why is this a fucking problem!? Fucking chuds I swear.
>>738927192There's not much else you can do, PVPfags are always going to just shoot people on sight, it's just how they work.
>>738927225>SISSY>describes being a sissyo-okay
>>738927070pvp players exploit design flaws as players literally always havepve players advocate for interesting games to be sloppified so they stop dying in themgive me the pvp player any day of the week desu. the average vocal pve player is like the kind of pvp player that tries to play politician with game balancing and get shit they personally dislike patched out by saying it's busted, who are, themselves, assholes
>>738926914What is the difference between that and making separate pvp and pve queues?
>>738927265as i said you can try and discourage it in other ways, provide relatively low reward for going it alone and high reward for sticking together.i haven't played arc in a minute buy my memory is that solos were always very friendly in arc compared to squads. this is partly because you have everything to gain by teaming up in a solo because you now have an advantage teaming up against other solos. in squads you already have backup, so exposing yourself runs the risk of putting your team down a man in the ensuing gunfight
>>738927290>PVP players ruin the game for everyone>So PVE players are the REAL problemFuck off, oh wait lmao you get put into PVP lobbies now and you seethe about it! HAH
>>738927407I don't play arc I just don't like annoying pve players in games lol
>>738927441Stop playing PVE games then?
>>738927225Exactly,faggots who solely want PvP in a PvPvE game are only in it because they want the first strike suckerpunch advantage, plus they want to screw over players who did all the hard work of looting so they can just grab that shit and leave without any effort put in to the actual game.In essence, they want Player VS Dummies - they want pinatas that drop rewards but pose relatively low or no threat whatsoever.Back when the game was new, I saw streamers c4 extracts and camp it,I've never seen more sociopathic and boring way to play a game, even spawncamping is less cancerous than extraction campers.
>>738927464He thinks everyone HAS to be a pvper to be a gamer or something.
>>738927464no, pve elements are fun.perhaps play different games instead of trying to get any game you struggle with changed into the same grey gruel?
>>738927105This tracker is out of date but here's the ratio. I don't play against bots because it's boring and I don't mind losing against other people. You should admit that you can't handle losing and play one of the twelve million coop shooters out there.
>be rat>shoot at PVE players>get killed and called names>"ARC RAIDERS HATES PVP DEAD GAME"
>>738927590Lil bro it's not about that. Your attitude is retarded. Not everyone has to be a pvper.
>>738927648>be pve GOD>load into game with pvp elements>get killed>have a lil meltie about fucking pvp rats
>>738927703I know, but you're demanding a space where no one is in a game that wasn't meant for that.
>>738924296>there are people who kill themselves over and over again so they can enter a carebear lobby and wipe itThat no longer works. Now you need to actually put time into the game being friendly to get there.
>>738915059and yet you'll talk shot about Stop Killing Games and you'll buy the new white buggy messes day 1 to keep the cycle of pounding your ass going.
>>738927763You can be in the game, you can be in the game and KOS just in this segregated lobby and that's okay. Let the wagiedads enjoy their gamer moment without inserting yourself into it. They're trash we all have eyes. Let them be trash.
>>738923825>I don't want to act like a nigger but I want to act like a niggeranon, you're a fucking nigger
>>738915126>The time when being insane meant you move with rhythm I look like this and say this.
>>738915059You should be oppressed more until you’re afraid to talk so I don’t have to see your whining.
