What are the best detective video games? I need to use my little grey cells.
>>738918068The Sekimeiya is a real ballbuster.
>>738918068disco elysium
>>738918068Contradiction
>>738918068 Hypnospace Outlaw, the best there is The Case of the Golden Idol 1/2, 2nd one is weaker Ai Somnium Files 1/2, haven't played 3 yet.
Shadows of Doubt
Return of the Obra Dinn
>>738918068That's it, I'm rewatching all Poirot shows.
>>738918068Just play Ace Attorney like the rest of us.It's officially a detective game with a courtroom setting.
>>738918068sherlock holmes crimes & punishments
>>738918727Ace Attorney is shit.
>>738918717watch nip columbo instead https://archive.org/details/furuhata-ninzaburo
>>738918791Being a contrarian newfag isn't a personality.
>>738918068Ace Attorney (yes you're a detective)Danganronpa & RaincodeReturn of the Obra DinnThe Case of Golden IdolLA Noire Disco ElysiumAi Somnium Filesthere's tons of Sherlock Holmes games
>>738918068And one more thing, we need to settle thisPoirot or Columbo
>>738918865Columbo and it's not even close. He even inspired AA.
>>738918865Columbo has better memes so him
>>738918068Blade Runner
>>738918865Poirot is a better show.Columbo is a better detective.
>>738918251it's fucking dumb how hard and convoluted it is.
>>738918865I never liked Columbo. I love Poirot
>>738919683>I never liked Columbo.
>>738918337Is AI the Somnium Files actually a detective game? I thought it was just a linear VN. I bought it ages ago and never actually played it cause I got spoiled on the killer being a body hopper and since it's a mystery VN having the mystery spoiled for me basically ruined all motivation I had of reading it.
>>738918865Columbo isn't really a detective/mystery show because it shows the culprit at the beginning, you're just watching Columbo fuck around with the suspect
>>738918068SH and the case of the silver earring.Still Life.
>>738919858Actual "issue" is showing both the culprit and how they did it exactly. Though Columbo didn't really want to be a solvable mystery format.
That Columbo in Death Note video is so fucking good
>>738919758I would like to see the reaction to this character when shown the evidence that Colombo was actually most likely Portuguese (though not actually from Portuguese descent, just citizenship). There is no concrete evidence of his nationality, and there are a lot of theories with some interesting facts to back them up, the most wild one him being the direct descendent to the Polish crown when his father (the former Polish King) fled the country. But the Genoa evidence is just completely farcical and historians are just biding their time until someone is courageous enough to break the news in a public fashion and see the italian (especially the italian americans) sperge out. THe other reason is probably because we can't give a very concise direct answer to where he's from, we just know the documents that points that he's italian are forged
I don't like Poirot because he's french
>>738920496belgian, monsieur
>>738920496>I am no frog, I am belgian.
>>738920179ENTERhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSZPgC8vCiQAlso, I was thinking that the movie/animation format isn't too good for mystery stuff.See, in a book you can scroll back and forth to check clues or try to answer things before the detective does.In a videogame you have to literally answer to progress.But if you are just watching you are struck trying to remember and answer quickly.
This game would have been infinitely better with Columbo on the case.
>the best detective in you are path
>>738918865Poirot had to kill a murderer that smooth-talked Hastings and others into killing other people because he knew juries would not be convinced of his involvement in the murders.. Columbo doesn't even want to touch a gun.
>>738918068I just cant watch anyone else play Poirot besides David Suchet, its like if you took Solid Snake and had someone else than Hayter do his english VA.
>>738918717>Just got removed from Internet ArchivesMon dieu...
>>738918068why is youtube spamming me with hercule poirot content?
>>738918068
>>738921095Imagine every franchise was loved so.
Poirot and Hastings are super gay for each other
ENTER
>>738918717I wanted to watch it some time ago but couldn't find a single episode anywhere
>>738921345All I can think of when I see this is when the creator had a pants-shitting meltdown over it when someone made a parody of it. It wasn't even like a mean-spirited parody, it was like Young Frankenstein-style love-letter parody.
>>738921427It's on BHD.
>>738919849It is not a detective game, it's a VN, it's no more a detective game than 999 is
>>738921345Not so much a mystery game as a mechanical decoding game, similar vein but different
>Not a single person mentions the original Carmen Sandiego games
>>738922161>Carmen Sandiegohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9aDMuBjR7Q
Kokoro-chan mogs all other detectives
>>738920932What episode?
>nobody mentions LA NoirePlebians
>>738922225The last one.
>>738919758I just don't like the 70s setting. It's very uncomfy and unnerving to me
>>738922161I really wish I could replay the version of Carmen Sandiego I had on our win95 machine as a kid, I bet I would fucking destroy at it now.
>>738922210damn miss me milky times with /a/
>>738922290Yeah, it's too white.
>>738922346The guy from the Mentalist is a real human bean though.
Type-helpOr wait for its remake, it should be releasing relarively soon.
>>738922539He's such a smug cuntIt's so annoying
>>738922639>He's such a smug cuntWow, he's LITERALLY me.
>The Roottrees are Dead>Type Help>What Happened to the Crew>The Red Pearls of Borneo>Intelligence>KinophobiaAll free on either Itch or Steam
>>738922779>KinophobiaSounds like another day over on /tv/
Really underrated game
Holmes >>>>>>> Poirot > Columbo > Monk
>>738922919Which Holmes?
>>738922919It will always be funny to me that Doyle could write a character as skeptical as Holmes and then be duped into thinking fairies were real because he took a photo at face value.
>>738923087Fairies are real though.
>>738922346Mum likes Midsomer and the Mentalist, so you might be onto something here.But I think we all agree 1980's Sherclock with Jeremy Brett mogs nu-Sherlock with Cucumbersnatch
>>738918068that final episode of Poirot...
>>738923213Not only fairies are real, but the fairy is the true culprit behind the case.
>wife literally just starting watchin the Poirot series yesterday>now this threadIt's the little things.
>>738923278shut it down, humans know
>>738923318Why are you not watching poirotkino with her you mong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rDz8phYD10did you know there is a Poirot anime?
>>738921134i tried this game, the second i started i checked my inventory, saw tampons, said fuck this disgusting womenslop garbage and uninstalled it
>>738923007at least nobody needs to ask which Poirot
>>738922210>mfw there actually are people who enjoy this trash
>>738923007Livanov
>>738918068are the poirot episodes adaptations of the books or are they originals? i kinda want to read the books sometimes so i've been avoiding the series
Has anyone watched the anime?
>>738923350I watch it passively while reading, I've no issues with the show but it's normally at night so she falls asleep 5 minutes into the episode and I end up re-watching the same thing over and over.Anyways, video games.
>>738918068>That episode where he looks at the feet of schoolgirls, and it ends up being a vital clueWhat did Agatha mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN83ixTzmdYthis may blow your mind(ignore the jihadi subtitles it's the only version youtube doesn't copyright-claim)
>>738923563>>738923364>Poirot animelet me guess. the girl is the typical "human character that joins the famous character" insert?
>>738923579If Poirot was japanese, school girl panties would become the vital clue.
>>738923674I believe she’s grand niece of miss marple
>>738918068Sherlock Holmes the VHS game
>>738918068Phoenix Wright.>he's a lawy-Have you played the games? He's a detective.
>>738923597I haven't seen this one yet. thanks
>Blade RunnerNot super heavy on the detective stuff but if you ever wanted to be a Blade Runner, gathering evidence and interrogating people to figure out if they're replicants/killers, it's the definitive experienceGreat atmosphere and characters, but the real best feature is that the status of suspects and yourself is randomized each playthrough, so you never know who is what>Shadows of DoubtPretty fun but jank and requires a good amount of suspension of disbelief and willpower not to just abuse ingame systems for easy winsA good case is very enjoyable and it's fun to learn the randomly generated city layout and residents, but cases can just as easily misfire and either solve themselves or be unsolvableFun to fuck around in>Obra DinnA game so good I wish I could play it for the first time over and over>Case of the Golden IdolGood, but fight the urge to brute force things since it's easy to do
>>738923374>i tried this game, was a fucking retard and uninstalled itGood to know.
>>738920634He literally said that once, though in response to an insult.>I am not a bloody little frog, I am a bloody little BELGIAN.
>>738921120The show got added to Hulu so zoomers are discovering it
>>738923989I never got the hype for obra dynn it's literally just a hidden object that could be printed in a woman's magazine. being a "video game" doesn't add anything at all to the concept.
>>738924070yeah, i played it for like an hour and dropped it because it was so simple, slow and repetitive
>>738923989how about>The Last Expressit's certainly a weird one with a mixture of detective work and adventure, but perhaps worth checking out
>>738918068TV detectives are absolute retards who try to use coy and deduction to solve crimes instead of state-backed threats and lies. Stop watching pure dreck.
>Ace Attorney dead>Nonary Games dead>Danganronpa deadThis genre peaked in the late 00s-early 10s then fell off a cliff
>>738924481>Danganronpa deadeto...
>>738924070>it's literally just a hidden object that could be printed in a woman's magazine.Not really, several mysteries are only solvable by listening to the voices or being able to physically explore the ship
>>738924550>remake shitlol
>>738924070Aside from a lot of good visual and music presentation, it's satisfying to figure out all those identities using every detail you can find, from their accents to their shoesYou're also chasing a lot of narrative threads all over the place and once you see the kraken (you look around after the intro chapter) it's fun trying to figure out how far things will go, not just where they'll goIt's part of what makes the Golden Idol games fun, wild card elements that are mystical but still play by certain rules that you need to figure out on top of all the mundane stuff>>738924279Those four are ones I've played, I'll check out Last Express though, thanks
>>738924649It has a new story.
>>738924649>he doesn't know
>>738924732The fuck? The first one too?
>>738924782Nah, only this one.It's basically old faithful SDR2 scenario + new story based on SDR2 setting
>>738919858>>738920017Columbo is not a classic whodunnit, or a howdunnit (CSI), but a howsolveit. The viewer already knows who and how, and Columbo usually has an immediate hunch that proves right, so the "mystery" of each case becomes how to entrap or corner the suspect into confessing.
>>738924858If anything, AA showed you can make this work in vidya format, even if AA does include whodunnit(usually the easiest part though) and howdunnit depending on the episode.
Whydunnit is the patrician's choice.
im gonna play portopia murder case tonightis it more like a VN or does it require me to use my brain and take notes
>>738925064Motive tends to be included in any other format though
>>738925064>t.
>>738918068Pentiment
>>738918068Umineko is the best detective game.
>tfw played everything mentioned and more alreadyi suppose it's time to turn to books... le sigh...
>90 posts>not a single mention of deadly premonitiondrink your coffee anon
>>738925196Lol no.It's a good VN overall, but a terrible mystery.
Seriously though why is this genre completely dead? AA, DR and Nonary Games to this day are all beloved games and the characters still get referenced to no end. You'd think even old fans of these games would have churned out some indieslop verisons by now like how horror fags make a million Resident Evil clones on Steam. Yet there's close to nothing.
>>738925196incredible setup but the solution does not deliver and the whole meta-narrative in the second half is an insult to the murder mysteries
I'm not bigly into this genre, will bringing up Duck Detective get me laughed out of the thread?
>>738925285Guess I get a chance to post this.It's actually a romhack. Exceptionally good one, not sure how they did it.
>>738925350If it's more detective than duck you're probably fine
>>738925276If you cant figure it out by episode 2 or arguably ep 1, you suck.
>>738925465Oh yeah it's not a furry game or anything, just a bit simple and easy
>>738925482Whether you figure it out or not, it's still bad.I liked Umi for the characters, music and plot, but the mystery was dumb as fuck.
>>738925276>It's a good VN overall, but a terrible mystery.KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKthe absolute MENTAL shit you can read in this place LMAO>uurm... it doesn't tell you the answer outright so it's.... LE BADi swear, some games need an IQ test as a requirement
>>738925610Umi dickriders, I swear. And I don't even hate the VN.
>>738918812nta, thanks for the link anon. I love columbo, hope nip columbo is at least half as good
>>738918068tell me youre european without telling me youre european
>>738918865Aren't you forgetting someone
>>738925285All of thoes games are fairly high production titles, something that's dififcult to replicate in the indie scene. On the topic of long mystery detective games, Mystery of the Malign came out a few months ago, and it's a first person free roam detective game with Golden Idol style deductions.
>>738923087>be duped into thinking fairies were real because he took a photo at face value.I think his mysticism phase was a cope for his son dying and wanting to believe in something more
>>738925196bloated garbage with a retarded meta narrative. The BIGGEST fucking waste of time ever. Seriously, do not fucking read this tranny slop, it takes forever and the payoff is not worth it. AT MOST do the manga. One of the worst VNs I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. Fuck you. Only thing it has going for it is the music.
>>738925654great argument little bro. GREAT argumentit's obvious you're just a salty little cuck that the thing is blown way out of proportion and basically the most famous thing in the genreyou can say a TON of things about umineko, but a """bad""" mystery it is absolutely NOT
R07 cannot write satisfying or even coherent narrayives. Silent Hill F only cemented that. When They Cry died when BT died
>>738918251Looks good but>not on ps5 or iosThats a skip for me dog
>>738925610it pretty much does tell the answerit's just that the answer sucks. it's a very boring answer and is pretty much the first guess most people have, and it comes after the game hyping itself up for 100 hours as the super ultimate most epic murder mystery that's impossible to solvehell the game even tells the answer in the first episode then goes "no that can't be it, it would be too easy"
>>738925807It's fun. Just not for mystery solving purposes.Without spoiling too much, I can only say that the tricks rely on particularly unreasonable behavior for everyone involved and the in-game debates are mostly wordplay.>>738925826Try reading/watching your second mystery story, lil bro.
>>738925948>it's a very boring answerWhy is it boring?
>>738918068Lacuna is good if you can handle some wokeness. Mistakes actually can’t be undone, so you need to be sure of yourself.
>>738918068Poirot isn't even a good detective. All he does is harass people nonsensically bullying them until he gets a satisfactory answer (which is just a shitty desperate cop at the end of the day) if you've ever read any of the damn books or even seen of the movies.
>>738923087The Reddittest post of today. Well done
>>738926129>he's a bad detective because he gets results
>>738918760This
>>738925948genuine pseud nonsene contained in a posttry an ACTUAL argument next time
>>738926129He's such a good detective he can figure out the truth just by talking to people. Even a 16-year-old case.He doesn't need to get his hands dirty most of the time.
Should I play Ace Attorney if I enjoyed Ghost Trick immensely?
>>738926274yeah, they're great
>>738925993>It's funIt's not. It loses steam after part 2 and only goes downhill from there. Yes video game, I already understand the meta narrative, you do not need to repeat yourself for the millionth fucking time. Jesus christ.
>>738926274You should have played AA first, GT is from the same guy and you will very quickly recognize the same writing quirks.So yes.
>>738926335>>738926308Any problems with the AA trilogy on Steam? I can emulate if it's censored or something
>>738926274Yeah 1,2,3 and Investigations 1,2 are great Apollo onwards… well… lets not talk about it
>>738925196it's poorly written, the mysteries rely on the author playing cheap tricks and then eventually throwing a tantrum because people didn't feel sorry for the tranny or whatever, those last 2 episodes are horrendous drivel
>>738926320Erika shenanigans are entertaining. Ep7 is a pretty unique variant.Ep8 is huh....... Well, we got loli Ange and two lesbian witches fighting, I can't complain too much. Still not exactly something that deserved full episode length, and Bern's game is a little too obvious.
>>738926274Play the Great Ace Attourney. If you like it, then continue to the main series.
>>738926402i find the remastered sprites and the UI/font very ugly but i think most people like it, other than that there's no problem
>>738926513Do not do this.
>>738925993I think it was within reason desu. But at least disbelief is a reason.>>738925875How was the mystery bad? It was solvable. The only hard part of the whole story is the fish puzzle but its noy required.
>>738925885>ps5 or ios
>>738919038Not looking forward to death battle fucking up his fight with light.
>>738926513Do this.
>>738926496It's just that people really push umineko as this high art representation of VNs when it's not and it really really needed an editor to trim it down. Only thing that lived up to the hype for me was the music. Also the final part is so much better in the manga.
>>738926572Just because a mystery is technically solvable it doesn't mean it's a good, interesting, clever or sensible one. In fact that's the bare minimum - it would be like saying that a game is good because it runs without crashing too much.
>>7389264967/8 are pretty weak but by that point its entertainment since it should be solved.That church scene is so overt. I have seen one person stumped and still not understand the church scene though...
suchet is poirot. cant watch anyone else in the role.
>>738925285There are a couple indieslop versions of AA: Tyrion Cuthbert, Of the Devil, one with a fat witch girl whose name I'm forgetting
>>738926716Well my question is "how is it bad". I only have seen/read like 20 mystery books/movies/games so maybe im not well versed, but to me it was probably the best.7/8 being "for the boys" more than anything doesnt make the mystery that ends much earlier any worse to me.
>>738926849I found the last one right after I hit post, Nina Aquila, which was a lot rougher looking than I remembered
>>738926129it's true that a lot of the stories rely on the criminal confessing at the end. if niggas just stfu and demanded poirot prove they did something instead of offering circumstantial evidence, then he would be fucked. still love the show tho.
>>738923256>tfw you're literally the perfect adaptation of Sherlock Holmes
>>738926865>Well my question is "how is it bad".The author lies to the reader multiple times. I also disagree with it being "solvable". Yeah you can infer who the culprit is from like episode 2 but those locked room murders are bullshit.
>>738926865It fails at being these things I mentioned above.The tricks(both the main one, and the per-episode ones) are not interesting/clever, they rely heavily on essentially just lying or wordplay, and multiple people just going along with this because yes.It fits the theme, sure, but it still doesn't make the mystery itself stand on its own. You know there is no substance where the solution for most segments boils down to "everyone involved just said X, even if X never happened".
>>738927121>The author lies to the readerOne of the biggest sins in writing unless the information is coming from an unreliable narrator. This is one of the many reasons why Heavy Rain was so reviled.
>>738922779I enjoyed TRAD and heard good things about type help so I'm wishlisting all this shit, thanks anon
>>738918337>Ai Somnium Files 1/2It's not a detective game, you retard, like 95% of all anime Japanese games it's a VN disguising itself as a different genre.
>>738918068Return of Obra Dinn
>>738918727>>738918825Ace Attorney is a glorified VN, what the fuck are you talking about? Zero thinking required.
>>738923427It's MoeSlop and its art. You weren't there for the weekly threads.
>>738927483it's fun
>>738919162This is the best answer, because it's actually replayable.
>>738927483Did you not need to think about the answers and which evidence to present?>inb4 no I just brute forced everything teehee, I totally played the game as intended
>>738918068Damn most of the ones I like have already been rec'd, but here are some others>Duck Detective series: It's like Golden Idol but sillier, very short but decently funny>Detective Grimoire series: slightly more serious than Duck Detective, pretty cool presentation>of the Devil: Decent Ace Attorney inspired game>No Case Should Remain Unsolved: Very neat investigation game
>>738921345Good and very comfy logic game, not a detective game at all though
how are the blackwell games
>>738923427Trash-kun...>>738922210Kokoro-chan isn't even a detective, she's just a police officer with a 13000000000000000000000 IQ. Sharo and her ragtag group of misfit retards can solve literally any case through sheer stupidity and getting every assumption wrong and missing every clue and arresting the wrong person.
>>738927121What lie are you even talking about? Guh?>>738927158What lie? There is wordplay stuff tho sure. But the twins are so blatant about it.. "everyone x" is okay too. It reminds me a lot of the Agatha Christie orient express
>>738927827Forgot my pic. God I miss this little semen demon and her cockmilking friends.
I watched Brett Sherlock and Poirot recently after being on a detective show binge because I never watched any before and they're great. I was going to watch Columbo next because apparently the Japanese are obsessed with his show for some reason but are there any really bad detective stuff to watch? I want to know what they are like, I know the newer BBC Sherlock is apparently terrible.
>>738918068Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Rose Tattoo
>>738918068Return of the Obra DinnTR-49
>>738927837>But the twins are so blatant about it.. "everyone x" is okay too.I'm not asking you whether something is "ok" or "blatant", I 'm saying that it does not make for interesting mystery to solve.Imagine if something like AA was about Phoenix having to ask "define dying" as opposed to exposing a somewhat elaborate murder ploy. That's what Umineko is, in a nutshell. With Battler himself also being a literal PW reference.
Duck Detective more like Cuck Detective
>>738918865I love Columbo, but I never watched Poirot. Which episodes should I check out?
>>738918865I doubt zoomers even watched Colombo. Hard choice but i like the basset.https://youtu.be/vfWbV5munF4
>>738922210Remember when this shit was in magazines? Now the entirety of /a/ celebrates when one toe is visible for 0.5 seconds
>>738923256nu-Sherlock is pretty cool with its twists on the classic stories for the first 2 seasons, but afterwards it starts treating smart people as literal magic, and the final arc with the insane sister is the most retarded shit in all SH media.And the other 1980s Sherlock mogs nu-Sherlock too
>>738927930Dunno about tv shows but I've heard the Dagger of Amon-ra is notorious for being super time restrictive and bullshitty at times, especially since you're asked who killed who, who stole what, and a bunch of other questions regarding your investigation, so if you weren't taking meticulous notes and keeping close track of character relations, you're basically shit out of luck.As for good shows or movies about bad detectives, obviously any parody detective movie or show would work. Ace Ventura and Milky Holmes both come to mind.
>>738918068books or the show?
>>738928223Any, its agatha Christie so stories are interchangeable. I like the ones where the locations are comfy.https://youtu.be/TYZ2mBMPHJY
Laura Bow 1 (Colonel's Bequest) and 2 (Dagger of Amon-Ra) are perfect Nancy Drew sleuthing / horror slasher mystery games. Save often or use a walkthrough.>>738927930>are there any really bad detective stuff to watchCumberbatch Sherlock is awful but it can be entertaining at times. If you really have nothing else to watch.I've only watched the first season of Slow Horses (it was fine, 4/10) but it was entirely carried by Gary Oldman IMO.As for good stuff, watch the Soviet Sherlock Holmes adaption.
>>738928310It’s famous for being pretty for its time, like most sierra games. It is also bullshit unplayable cheating trash, like most sierra gamesAlso, the case is literally unsolvable because one of the key clues can only be accessed by glitches, so you had to buy a guideThis is a good video on ithttps://youtu.be/nSODB1CRez0
>>738927930Try this, its obscure but its not exacly "detective" stuff. https://youtu.be/saeHzq0EqF0Aside from that...very few? Normies like Bones and Hannibal. I personally liked original CSI with Grissom. He is also in Manhunter movie.https://youtu.be/saeHzq0EqF0
>>738928541>Can be entertaining at timesI will never forget him thinking that the dead woman in the first episode is a serial adulterer because the inside of her wedding ring is clean while the outside is dirty. One of the funniest things I've ever seen on TV
>>738918760This. I also mention it in the comfy games threads all the time.
>>738922919Dupin > Holmes
I like Monk
>>738929096Dupin was in like 3 short stories
>>738918068The whole Tex Murphy series is great, but I liked Under a Killing Moon the best. Great point and click style games with live action capture from the 90's
>>738929205>bootleg american poirotIt had its moments
Knives Out (2019) is a widely praised whodunit directed by Rian Johnson, lauded for its witty script, top-tier ensemble cast, and clever subversion of classic mystery tropes. While primarily a comedy-thriller, some critics noted its sharp, social commentary on wealth and privilege.God I fucking HATE Rian Johnson
>>738926825>suchet is poirot. cant watch anyone else in the role.same. he played it till perfection
When I used to watch police procedurals or something with my parents, I never thought about what the solution of the episode might be before they said itI might be too low IQ to enjoy detective shit
>>738929662show ended on such a dark note
>>738929748Depending on the show, they might not be designed as solvable mysteries.It gets better in vidya and books, since you will be asked questions and you can review the clues before progressing. Like I said before, actually animated shows are absolutely the worst format for mystery, it becomes a glorified attention test.
>>738922346It's difficult to make a shitty detective because the genre is so set in stone that simply plugging your own variables into the existing formula would result in a basic but workable mystery. Just come up with a fun murder, and work backwards from it. This is why the genre was always so productive.But by god, nu-Sherlock tried its best and managed to become an exemplary terrible detective story. It broke every rule of the genre, turned problem solving into aura-farming nonsense, and even that could've been salvageable if the payoff was good (see: Danganronpa 2), but the payoff was so dogshit all the fangirls had to actively gaslight themselves into thinking that it was fake.
>>738921252One of the worst things the new Poirot films did was give him a case of the not-gays
>>738928630I saw that video which is why I brought it up. Honestly, I'm pretty happy point-and-click adventure games moved away from Sierra-esque bullshittery like hiding obscure, mandatory items or placing random events that force you out of a room even if there might be crucial items behind it. Though, the last few point-and-clicks I played were Telltale's Homestar Runner games, the Dangeresque Rooms games, and Telltale's Sam and Max series. i.e. very safe and streamlined.
>>738929748Nothing wrong with just watching a show. I doubt everyone who even read Sherlock Holmes was actively thinking about the cases.
The Last Detective with David Peterson was pretty good. Better than his Dr. Who
>>738918865Columbo is more for the reverse whodunit+him fucking with the culprit, with the main audience draw being what they missed that allows them to be caughtPoirot is the much more straightforward murder mystery.
>>738918068Return of the Obra Dinn is still unmatched for detective gameplay. So many little details on every person and situation that can tip you off in your investigation. Racism is a superpower. It's great
>>738923007RDJ
>>738922207Carmen Sandiego is a trivia game though
>>738929748Personally, I don't like thinking too hard while watching detective shows. I wanna be surprised by the story. A truly great detective is the one with an answer that seems blindingly obvious once it's unveiled, but difficult enough that you don't stumble into it just by paying attention. That's why when someone asks for Columbo recommendations, I tell them to watch Suitable for Framing - that final scene still lives rent-free in my head.
What's a good unconventional detective character concept?Basically, not somebody who works for the police/law enforcement nor is a private eye. An obvious example would be Murder She Wrote, since she protag is just a writer.Regular student is a little too overdone, so I'm not going to count it.For me? If I ever write a standalone detective story(as opposed to mystery episodes of otherwise unrelated stuff), I'd do a cute idol girl(sort of overlaps with student, but can rely on things that normal teens cannot).
>>738923674And has a mascot that alwaaaays appears, it hurts me writing this but Poirot anime is mediocre, i just watched the series because is Poirot, i like how everyone is good looking, even Poirot that is not bald lol, and old miss Marple is cute.
>>738930486Tokyo Godfathers did three homeless people trying to track down the family of a baby.I think I'd do family dog tries to find kidnapped kid
>>738930907>I think I'd do family dog tries to find kidnapped kidCute. Also might be interesting on the level of which clues a dog can find mostly on his own.
>>738930486serial killer trying to get all of his copycat killers arrested because they're cramping his style
>>738930486Ghost trick
>>738930486An ex-criminal with zero smarts being the only detective on the case because it all the victims were also ex-criminals that no one else cares for.
>>738927097the role drove him mad btw
>>738930486Thief who has to find the killer because they took the thing they were trying to steal
>>738929885>show ended on such a dark notemany have trouble even watching it.no grand glorious final for Poirot.just a sad and gloryless end of a great man that sacifices his soul to protect his friend
>>738918068Crazy how nobody has mentioned Outer Wilds yet. It's not a conventional detective game but you ARE sleuthing for answers. I overwhelmingly recommend it.
>Poirot gathers everyone together and starts interrogating the criminal in front of everyone until he cracks because he has no evidenceIt's funny how many times this happens. I really like the cast in Suchet Poirot though and how they interact. I could probably watch Hastings, Lemon, and Japp trying to bumble around solving cases without Poirot there
>>738931195I file it under "exploration game" in my mind
>>738931232It's basically fucking AAI
>>738931029>>738931047>>738931157>3 criminal suggestions in a rowWhat did anon mean by this
https://youtu.be/UxnvGDK0WGM?si=_26beGNRmwVsdVLb
>>738923563stopped watching after they changed Japp's name
>>738931403you ever just think about if you could get away with murder if Sherlock or Poirot were around
>>738931157isn't that just the plot to Sly 2?
>>738931430PW trilogy music is so kino.
>>738931174He lived a long, happy life. The final story occurs when he's quite old. I'm content with the many adventures he had and the happiness he derived from them. Giving his life to save a friend is entirely in character and made him happy.
>>738931232The final interrogation is always the best part, the moment of catharsis.
>>738925698damn, thanks for remembering hersame timeslot as other detectivesshe also looks just like my grandma
>>738918865Sherlock Holmes portrayed by Jeremy Brett>Rest
>>738927483
>>738931728On that note, I have yet to find a game doing it better than >>738931595
>>738931403If you say "detective not working for law enforcement" the most obvious answer is the inversion, "detective working against law enforcement"
>>738925196>Has literal straw goatmen in the story to attack because he knows his storytelling is too fucking awful to actually defend
Sorry guys but that autopsy report is outdated
Shadows of Doubt is the only good detective game on the market by virtue of being RNG and procedural generatedshame its so janky and the devs took the money and ran
>>738931883>devs took the money and ranshame because I was looking forward for it to be finished
>>738931857I recently asked Clod to write a murder mystery involving a trial for a magical girl, allegedly killing the victim instead of "purifying" them after a fight.The twist unironically ended up being updating the autopsy report to spot traces of a more natural murder method.It was funny but dumb as fuck, so I changed some info in the initial case doc to say that the victim's corpse gets incinerated and autopsy isn't possible.
>>738918337case is better than rise, but rise's dlc is better than case's
>>738931883>Last update: May 5th>Last patch: April 30thDetective Anon claims the devs absconded, but the court threw out the case because the devs were still in the same room at the same time
>>738932312just bugfixescheck the roadmap for missing content promised for the 1.0 releaseoh wait you cant because they have swept it from the internet
>>738922280is it connected to some other episode? i've watched most of them but not that one
>>738921514So I was right and there's not really any point playing it now I know the twist?
>>738932403That doesn't mean they ran, they're still around if you want to send complaintsThose features could always show up at some point, unless they do actually go MIA later
>>738931157In pic rel the detective is burglarizing a woman's apartment when she suddenly returns home. As he hides in the closet he hears the woman being murdered by an unknown guest. The murderer absconds with the detective's attache case full of the woman's jewelry.
>>738932517it's the adventure, not the destination
>>738925807Looking at that cart gives me a gut feeling of "This is synth weed"
>>738931050He was already mad because he had untreated bipolar depression. By the time it was being treated, he was way too deep into its throes. The lithium he was prescribed made him bloat, obliterating he lean physique and visibly aged him, which negatively affected his psyche. He didn't have an emotional support network to help him because BPD was still in its infancy as a diagnosis in the DSM, men were still expected to ball up and "get over it", and there were rumors circulating that he was actually a fruit which further isolated him and put him under scrutiny for his emotional distress.Brett was mentally in all of the wrong places at the worst of times, and what was a professional attention to detail for portraying Holmes devolved into insanity when he could no longer fulfill that dream as he sank into his psychoses. In "The Eligible Bachelor" we get to see a celebrated and accomplished actor humiliated and demeaned by forcing him to slosh about in street puddles while in only a night gown, because he wasn't in a healthy enough mental state to protest.
>>738927405It's a detective game. You do pick up clues and solve stuff. Core is VN, but it's detective novel, so it really fits with OP requirements.Disco Elysium is on the other side. It's an RPG. It's a fantastic game, but I'd never slide it into detective genre. You just follow the story, wile rolling dice and doing rpg things.
>>738927035To be fair, Poirot works as a media because human nature is the most predictable thing out there.For instance, most hacking done today os through tricking human users, not by brute force technology intrusion.The same concept applies to Poirot.He uses mindgames and trickery to bait out the most human emotions of all: rage, jealousy, grief, and even regret.True, it does make him kind of a one trick pony compared to the other sleuths but it's still a perfectly plausible method to work off.
>two absolute garbage entries>Knocks it out of the park on the third Any other games do this
>>738933461>One of Brett's dearest possessions on the set was his 77-page "Baker Street File" on everything from Holmes' mannerisms to his eating and drinking habits. Brett once explained that "some actors are becomers—they try to become their characters. When it works, the actor is like a sponge, squeezing himself dry to remove his own personality, then absorbing the character's like a liquid".what a fruit, lmaothey should round all the method actors and sent them to the front
>>738932517As the other anon said I think there's a lot of intrigue surrounding the mystery to work out still and it's genuinely really fun seeing how the characters get there. I don't think it's the kind of twist that the story constantly plays with wanting you to figure out on your own it's just another plot beat amongst many so I'd still recommend it even knowing that fact.
>>738933804sounds like dark souls 3 to me
>>738932993Sounds kinda funny.I'd go full modern style, or at least early 2000s style, idk. And I mean jap idol, so you get a mood whiplash with her being cutesy and having just enough clout to not get kicked out from investigating.
>>738918068If you want a bit of puzzly-spooky the Spirit Hunter games are pretty good.
>>738933462There are Detective RPGs, it's pretty popular in actual tabletop roleplaying to do detective and mystery stuff, Dark Heresy and the Cthulhu games are pretty big once you get past all the really big franchises (D&D)Trouble is, and most tabletop RPGs with a detective/mystery focus also contend with this, rolling dice is a terrible/unsatisfying way to accrue evidence and make headway in an investigation, so Disco has to figure out how to nudge you along towards the conclusion/reveal anyway (compared to tabletop where you can improv)The genres aren't at odds with each other, necessarily
>>738918274>killer is a character to whom no attention is directed before the reveal. Fuck no, get fucked.
>>738918068Room 215 and Ace Attorney
>>738934313He wasn't talking about ZTD.
>>738933860dark souls 3 is the worst souls game though
>>738932517Based on that spoiler, main points and twists really aren't spoiled for you. Go into it, avoid other spoilers, and you'll have a blast. There's a part in the first game that will be engraved in your mind forever.
>>738934389Based
>>738932672>>738933858>>738934467I see, thanks anons. It's really hard to know what you're missing out on when you haven't experienced the context. Appreciate it lads.
>>738933804Doom
>>738934497it's always newfags that played 3 first who claim 3 is the best. Buncha shitters.
>>738918068Never forget the time Hastings dips out on Poirot, jumping out of a window while Poirot is still talking to the constable about why he is trespassing. Nigga bolted immediately.
>>738918068Condemned
>>738934389Venice is amongst the worst Kenny Poirots, also. First one is the best, has great cinematograpy. 70mm film ftw. 2nd is trash. Clearly rushed because of Covid and shit. Venice is some other genre altogether. Doesn't fit Poirot at all.
>>738922346House and the Mentalist are pretty good shows>>738923256>>738929960Cucumberbatch Sherlock was so bad I unironically enjoyed the American one where Watson was Lucy Liu more
Is Hotel Dusk a detective game ?
>>738925610Least mentally ill Umineko fag
>>738918068Furuhata Ninzaburo was rather inconsistent in quality but it was almost always funny and charming.The first two Pathologic games have the best mysteries in gaming, and they technically both start as a murder mystery. The buildup to their larger multilayered reveals is amazing. Didn't play the third game.
>>738923007Jeremy Brett.
>>738929527I actually quite enjoyed the 3rd one which dials down the comedy and is a bit less preachy and pretentious than the 1st and 2nd films.
>thread on /v/ has practically nothing to do with vidya>best thread on the boardErrytime.When I was a kid I'd sometimes catch bits of Bergerac on the telly. Never sat down for a full episode, but I was captured by the old cars and the picturesque setting (takes place on the isle of Jersey). Thinking of watching it.
>>738935129Detective games are a thing
>>738925698>idyllic northeast small town has a muder rate of at least one per week after she moves in>the murders follow her when she travels>makes a living writing books about murder, inspired by the murders occurring around her constantly>played by the actress who was the first person to play Mrs. Lovett in Broadway run of Sweeny Toddhmm...
>>738935129we're talking about games too
>>738935216It can't be helped.
>>738935216The amount of people getting murdered in some series is hilarious if you think about. Especially long running ones with no real sense of time
>>738929205I've never seen Monk. It always looked kind of like a sitcom whenever I saw pictures of it.
>>738927035The thing Poirot does is bet all on human nature and motive, if someone pulled such a convoluted operation for a murder you know there's something wrong with them and how to push them into it, but I guess it's mostly because you're not expected to see Poirot fighting anybody, the most you usually expect is telling them to kill themselves to save their family the embarrassment of having them executed in the gallows
>>738923007Jeremy Brett is hands down the best to ever play Sherlock Holmes. That said, unlike Poirot (which is impossible to watch without David Suchet), Holmes has other good adaptions that are worth watching.
>>738923563
>>738934313That's not entirely true.You can find evidence that the deserter had been stalking Klassje for a while prior to the murder. But it's optional, so it's entirely possible to miss all the clues pointing to him, yet still be railroaded onto the island.But overall, I'd say the real mystery you have to solve is Harry himself, and the world around him. The dead body in the tree is just an excuse to get the ball rolling.
Does Professor Layton count as detective games?
>>738935356Conan is fun, but man, this manga should've ended ages ago. Murders in modern stories feel more like the author just asking ChatGPT for science trivia that he then kills the character with. It's nigh impossible to actually follow Conan's thought process (because it's usually nonsense), while the criminal could be obvious anyway if you know how Conan stories usually go.It should instead be a series of movies with a lot more effort put into the writing and less time spent on advertising toys for children.
>>738935952Lol no. They are puzzle games.
>>738931476You ever wondered if any of the people that had a murder planned and saw Poirot just casually hanging in their same hotel/transport/town told themselves "maybe it'd be a good idea to wait for him to leave"?
IMO, detective fiction translates poorly into vidya because most mysteries have only one pre-determined answer. Once you know that, the replay value is gone, plus all the gameplay amounts to puzzles that you can just Google the solutions for without any skill/execution check.
>>738935952Layton feels like an insanity simulator
>>738936005Well, I know that... But you still investigate mysteries and stuff...
>>738936104That's literally all adventure games.
>>738935990i prefer kindaichi case files, weak characters but the mysteries are so much betterconan's mysteries last like 3 chapters and half of the pages are just character interactions irrelevant to the mystery so there's no actual build-up or any pacing at all>>738936104>detective fiction doesn't work in novels because you can just skip to the last page
>>738935990It's pretty difficult to come up with new fresh ways to kill somebody all the time.The best stories are the ones that aren't really overcomplicating the method, they just make it believably difficult to crack for whatever reason, like a specific context, limited amounts of ways to obtain clues, or character drama creating interesting dynamics changing the flow of the investigation.
>>738936104Extremely retarded post.Mystery is ideal in a vidya format because it will literally stop your progress to ask questions. While in a book you will be the one who has to decide when to stop and start thinking about it, for instance.
>>738936104>>738936206I THINK I've read somewhere that Blade Runner had some randomized events and outcomes but I've only played it once when I was a kid.
>>738936429Yes. A lot of adventure games like to randomize some of the answers (mostly to locks and such) so you couldn't just google a solution.
>>738936415Also to add: you usually have a list of clues available in a menu, always visible so you don't need to do things like re-read previous pages.
Kona is pretty good. Sequel ditches a lot of the detective elements unfortunately.
>>738918865I choose another
>>738936279Having actually recently written and published a mystery novel myself, I have a newfound appreciation for how difficult it is to craft a logical mystery that doesn’t have any holes. It’s so tempting to cop out and come up with a retardedly convoluted twist answer for shock value, but I’ve always liked it better when you can look back and realise that you could have figured out on a first time viewing if you’re paying enough attention.
brat correction via mystery solving
>>738933808Ah yes, because veterans are a sane bunch
>>738936853It's always fun when you can see the twists coming before the characters because you were indeed paying attention. And that's usually a sign of a well-written mystery alright.That said, yeah it's difficult, but I would say the trick is to just not overcomplicate it. If you want gimmicks, then it's better to stick to one at a time instead of throwing all of them at once in the same case, somehow expecting this to create a coherent plot.
Thinking about it, the best way to write mystery stories would be to just write a normal story except you throw in hints that allow the reader/player to figure out the twists. No matter if they are convoluted or not, the whole point should be that unlike a regular story, it's possible to do that in a reasonable way.
>>738922161>no mention of Covert Action eithergood call on Carmen. I never did manage to catch her..
>>738935952>"That's right! It was a trick question!" I'm strangling Layton every time I see him.
On Your Tail
>>738918068"Hercule Poirot just stepped off the steaming train. If you want my opinion, I think they all did it."
What are the weirdest adaptations of detective novels?
>>738937708That’s essentially what any good mystery story is. You hold most of the reveals until later in the story, but leave behind breadcrumbs that allow smarter members of the audience to piece it together before it happens.
>>738918068Outer Wilds
>>738936853What did you write?I promise to pirate and read it.
>>738934667It's not really a detective game, good atmosphere though. The last 1/3 of the game SUCKS
>>738939420pic related is the front cover. I don’t want to drop a link lest the jannies get mad, but you can just search the title on Amazon or any other online book platform.
>>738938696"Hercule Poirot sat on the beach, sighing. His vacations we're almost over. A murder happening would be really fun right now"
>>738939205What the fuck is this slop shitting all over an actually good game.
>>738939420That guy wasn't me, this is my book.
>>738939878>J.L RoseA very novelist sounding name>>738940235kek, woman writers, not even once.
>>738939878>>738940235now I can't tell which one is the real anon. a real mystery.
>>738921486https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWqnz-7iQbY
>>738940235This is somehow more retarded than the average doujin.
>>738922161You just unlocked a core memory of me watching the Carmen Sandiego Cartoon as a kid on Saturday and being my first realization that not all criminals are bad peopleShe did her best to not harm anyone, not even the ones that were trying to catch her. The "villain" with a heart of gold trope was born for me that day.
>>738940418actual cinema
>>738935035Third game is the first game, but less broke and jank, bachelor only.
>>738940452Man, the thought of Dracula being up their sucking his own dick scary as fuck, how can you call this retarded?
>>738940235I bet this is real.
>mfw just watched Crucial Game Columbo episode last night Aw yeah, it's ice cream time motherfuckers
>>738922539The Mentalist is great as long as you stop at the end of season 3.Finding out that they didn't decide until like 5 episodes before the Red John reveal who it was going to be just soured the whole thing for me. And the last season is basically a completely different show.
>>738941706This show had the most kino guest actors, sometimes so kino they turned up several times as different characters over the years.
Are there any Sheelock Holmes games that are actually good detective games?
>>738943607haven't played many...
>>738942661Procedurals are always like that.
>>738922346Dexter season 1 is so fucking kino
>>738943607The great ace attourney?
>>738922346ah yes nothing gets women hotter than Tom/Jones agegap powerplay MM fanfics
You know remember Murdered: Soul Suspect
>>738923007Shu Takumi's of course
>>738943607Great Ace Attorney if you're fine with Sherlock not being the protagonist. It's very good Sherlock Holmes fan friction with the author's OCs
>>738924481>Ace Attorney deadProbably coming back soon, Capcom keeps bringing it up as a IP they want to promote/make new games for in their recent financial briefings>Zero EscapeSeries ended, thankfully. Creator moved onto new works.>Danganronpa Series ended but is getting milked. Creator moved onto new works
>>738929885I personally found it good, it's rare we get a proper tragedy as an ending these days
>>738939878dang anon you wrote this too?
>>738922346midsomer is kino but the real funny part is realizing nettles was a young hunk detective on bergerac only to play the normal middle aged dude in MM. no wonder the mums loved it>>738942661IIRC its worse than that they originally planned for the creepy morgue dude to be red john only for people to quickly figure him out so they just said fuck it and picked a guy who prior to season 5 was in 2 (ONE) episode in the first season. I still think it could've been kino had they gone with styles as red john thoughside note one of the wilder shows where they pretty much did such a shakeup into the show 1/3 into the fifth season. one of the bolder moments I've seen on tv
>>738930142surprisingly comfy show though the need for him to get dogged on or be hapless filters people I bet
>>738922779I just finished what happened to the crew few hours ago and legit had a mini heart attack when I had a blackout just as I opened manifestation message
Shadows of Doubt is the best detective game I've ever seen or played
>>738918350Came here to post this but it's flawed. It's a systemic detective game with no handholding, but it becomes a bit formulaic. You can also rob yourself of the fun with a specific strategy, but I'm not putting that into the air here. If you like detective stories and wish you could do the legwork yourself, give it a go. Building up your apartment and augments is also pretty fun.
>>738922919Meanwhile, Father Brown is missing from the ranking because he was busy helping an old lady from the country find the right platform at Liverpool Street Station(which will somehow help him understand how a recent jewel heist was carried out)
>>738921134>just walking around a mansion solving puzzlesit's kino
>>738936104>plus all the gameplay amounts to puzzles that you can just Google the solutions for without any skill/execution checkwhat's this argument? why would you automatically gravitate towards googling the answers?
>>738922346Taggartbros....it's never been more over
>>738936853Don't write and edit at the same time. Do a second draft, nerd. Write an outline or a skeleton, even a second one. The initial mystery of my NaNo entry was strong but I had no clue how to justify a particular detail within the full context so I just excised it when I rewrote it. You don't need to know what the story's even about when you're writing, but by the end you can rejigger it if you're willing to re-read the whole thing and take notes on your own work. Plus it's fun. Good luck, authoranon. I hope to be published one day too.
mom watched so many of these..
>>738918068Hercule Poirot... has gone woke :(
>>738918865Columbo is like the ideal Volkskommissar. He is going after the evil rich people, who might look like they have good manners and are friendly, but in truth all are secret psychopaths and Columbo is there and solves the crime, not because of his intelligence, but because he is the only one, who realizes that about them. Columbo is not a detective. He is a populist fantasy of what a detective is.
>>738950775he's a black woman now???
>>738918068L.A. Noire
>>738951328YOU FUCK YOUNG BOYS VALDEZ?
>>738950548>tfw no foid to watch Poirot withhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1778883427563152.mp4
>>738918068No Miss Marple game?
I cried when Poirot lost ;_;Stay strong detective...https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1778883709515570.mp4
>>738921427https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLI82Ck0HV9HnYqDsTimeJenjTuI5C8CMQ
>>738947862>they originally planned for the creepy morgue dude to be red johnThey killed him off so randomly too kekI'm introducing my gf to this show and we just got to the "he is mar" clue thing, and I had to keep tight-lipped to not start complaining about how all of these clues throughout the show ended up being completely worthless, lol. We're going to watch through the end of season 3, I think that's a fine stopping point.
>>738947862>only for people to quickly figure him out so they just said fuck itI hate when showrunners do this. Just because some people guess something doesn't mean you should just drop everything that was laid out. It's insane how arrogant these people can get.
I'm puttin together a holy team...
>>738952525This. It was a great idea and callback, I wouldn't have been disappointed at all to see him revealed as Red John, even if I saw it coming.Way better than the slapdash bullshit they threw together at the last second.
>>738927930>I let chinks dictate what I watchPlease just die
best version of every famous detective?
nobody here probably remembers this
>>738935120When they went over the evil deed that sowed the seed of the third one where the priest was systematically keeping the family purse strings closed and not giving his faughter access to a substantial stipend I turned to my sister who I was watching it with and said "Maybe she should have tried getting a job". She was not terribly amused
>>738947697I didn’t realise how common a pseudonym it was when I picked it. Lol.>>738948965That’s what I did. It wouldn’t have been possible without an outline. Hence why the novel took two years to make. >>738950548My mother only watches modern Netflix murder mysteries, which are mostly shit. Of all the ones I’ve seen, I’d say Columbo is still the peak though. That said, the 90’s Sherlock Holmes series is really underrated too IMO.
>>738952909>Finally a Cadfael mentionOne of my favourites, even if it sometimes gets a bit overly comedic with a couple of the episodes
>>738918068Among us
>>738918068In your case, more like little gay cells lmao
honest question, but how come Poirot/Hasting and before them Sherlock/Holmes have this homo erotic dynamic?I would say it's not until noir films that detectives give more of a hetero impression
>>738955917They're close friends anon. Poirot, Hastings, and Watson all regularly show great interest in women
>>738918727Next AA should have Poirot as a guest detective.
>>738928272the guy writing it was also the showrunner of dr who at the same time along with some other personal project he had. I'm convinced he started getting the scripts and characters muddled in his head and blended them together
>>738952909>Father BrownIt's either this or that other priest detective show, but I found it very funny how the police detective keeps being frustrated by the priest inserting himself into the investigation, and it takes like 2 seasons before he just accepts that it is unavoidable.
Did this guy started the trope of the Watson doing all the legwork?Also stop making me read the shit you eat you fat fuck, how that helps me understand the case?
Rate my favorite anime detective aficionados
>>738918068Ghost trick: phantom detective
>>738924858the funny part is that Columbo's formula is more universal, you can apply his method of badgering to an admission to more time periods, more countries, more justice systems than you could other detectives who actually go beyond circumstantial evidence
>>738930486Jonathan Creek, a guy who designs tricks for a stage magician gets roped into cases by a writer/reporter
>>738950836>He is going after the evil rich people, who might look like they have good manners and are friendly, but in truth all are secret psychopathsHe goes after rich people because investigating some joggers murdering each other over 5 bucks isn't entertaining televisionIt must be murder and it must be murder for an interesting reason: to cover up a secret, to obtain a large fortune, to protect some institutionColumbo figuring out some mugging gone wrong is boring
>>738931174I found it really touching that the episode that was broadcast second to last, was actually the last episode to be filmed. They didn't want their last work to be so soul-crushingly dreary, so instead, the last time the cast and crew worked together, it was on a bright episode where the last shot is all the characters lined up and saying goodbye to the audience. True sovl.
>>738957231yeah. they filmed the last episode first..
Sherlock would have TANKED it
>>738931174>>738931602>>738957231I stopped watching Poirot when it's just him, semi-retired without Hastings and miss Lemon and his name doesn't carry the same weight... It made me sad :( I decided however to watch the Orient Express since it's such a famous case but I got even sadder for obvious reason.Already posted it, but Poirot holding his rosary in the last scene made me cry...https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1778883709515570.mp4
>>738959771yeah. the seasons without the supporting cast were the weakest ones
>>738954274
>>738922878Interesting, did not know this one. Also Rutger Hauer is involved which is cool.
>>738955917I would disagree on poirot/hastings they just seem like good friendswatson/holmes have always had a funny dynamic even before the cumberbatch sherlock went full fujo bait.
>>738925726>Mystery of the Malignhell yeah did you solve everything?
>>738962842this image gets worse and more off topic every time i see it. just give up and post the original
>>738927930>I was going to watch Columbo next because apparently the Japanese are obsessed with his show for some reasonkys
>>738918068Take your pick:Shadows of DoubtReturn of the Obra DinnDisco ElysiumKathy Rain 1 and 2Tex Murphy seriesSam and Max: Freelance Police - Hit the RoadThe Dame Was LoadedMoses and Plato: Last Train to ClawvilleGhost TrickNo Case Should Remain UnsolvedBeat CopInspector WafflesDetecive Grimoire, Tangle Tower and Mermaids Mask (soon)LA NoireThe ShivahGemini RuePost Mortem, Still Life and Still Life 2 (last one is fucking terrible, only play if dangerously out of games)Gamedec (literally "Game Detective")NORCOThe Forgotten CityThe Rootrees are DeadRunaway seriesPathologic 1 and 2The Darkest FilesThe Darkside DeteciveParadise Killer GrunndGabriel KnightLaura Bow gamesA bit of a strech:Robocop: Rogue City (sidequests has you do some deducing)Omensight (timeloop brawler about picking paths to prevent end of the world)Overboard (reverse-detective where you did the murder)A Space For the Unbound (Indonesian summertime mysteries)In Sound Mind (play a therapist diving into your patient`s minds, Resident Evil+Alan Wake)Call of the Sea Gibbous: A Cthulu AdventureThe Vanishing of Ethan Carter
>>738936104IMO, detective fiction translates poorly into literature because most mysteries have only one pre-determined plot. Once you know that, the reread value is gone, plus all the reading amounts to contrived scenarios that you can just Google the ending for without any gatekeeping mechanism.
>>738963215No dude, games that feature a detective are not the same as Detective Games. A Detective Game, has you the player actually making the deductions, a VN with a detective character is not a Detective Game.Puzzle games are completely different thing too.
>>738963350I think people started calling them deduction games to avoid the confusion
>>738963161What's wrong with Columbo?
>>738963771he's probably actually mad (rightfully so) about the cocksucking of japanigs
>>738963771his distaste is for the anon who is only going to watch it because he heard the japanese like it, not for the show
>>738962862i did, meh game
>>738927616>>738963215Yo shoutout if you played the original on Newgrounds around the time it was released
>>738964093huh? to me it's like the platonic ideal of a detective game. the only one I know that went even harder was shadows of doubt
>>738933804no way that movie is good after the first two. am I going to be baited into watching this?
>>738964341barely any deduction, scenic investigation or clever pattern matchingtoo much of a point and click with pixel hunting, try using item x on y, and exhausting dialogues (with very clunky ui)and abysmal ending that spoils the twist too early
>>738918251>tfw the first time Atsuki touches the egg>tfw the first decision 10 hours in>tfw Shiroya realizes she isn't alone in the abandoned building>tfw the first time you see both eggs at once>tfw the Quiz>tfw the main revealThis shit lives in my head
>>738963215>The Forgotten City>just whipping out a gun and winninggood bit
>>738918865Lemme check the chart...Columbo
>>738965341>Phoenix (and Edgeworth) carries around a magic lie detector he needs his nun friend to re-juice occasionally>he couldn't deduce the power of a magic book
>>738965341>francis zach morgan, who determined forest kaysen is the murderer with one cuppa coffee, can't figure out a murder book
>>738918068Laura Bow 2: Dagger of Amon Ra
>>738925196True but it literally cannot be discussed on /v/ anymore without some brown people getting angry because they didn't understand it.
>>738927097>literally the perfectyeah no
I played a text adventure the other day called "Type Help".It was pretty good.
*is actually the best holmes in your path*
>>738918865i've watched all 10 seasons of Columbo thanks to the memes so Columbo.i've occasionally caught glimpses of Poirot at my parent's house and he does not give me any desire to download him.there's a scene in the first season of Columbo that i appreciated (maybe 1st ep even) where he talks to a guy that has a woman as boss and Columbo makes a comment like "i don't know how you can stand it having a woman above you". it was great going through time with Columbo, seeing glimpses of the US 70s. the series spans many years, ending all the way in the 2000s
>>738928630cool rec
>>738925698she's a lot better than female sherlock holmes or whatever that spazz is called whoever im thinking of. there's also a show with a female watson, because they have to ruin everything.
>>738965493York's fucking catchphrase is giving his full name and showing a card with his face on it, and he does that to pretty much everyone he meets. The man is as vulnerable to the Death Note as it gets
>>738952290>63 unavailable shows are hidden
>>738965968Elementry? At least it was Lucy Lui as female Watson. Its passable tv, but not on my watchlist.
>>738918251Yep, Sekimeiya is by far the hardest mystery I've ever read, just in terms of the pure mechanics of the story. I scored 66% on the quiz and I still felt like I only had 25% comprehension.
>400 replies >no her storyshameful display
>>738966097They had the entire Poirot series on internet archive for years up until like two weeks ago where they removed it all
>>738966246Not video game.
>>738966249it's ok to pirate if the company is greedy.
>>738966118yeah that's the second one i thought about in my post. i don't want some asian actress to pretend she can be dr watson.the spazz is some other series, newer i think.
>>738936045Be real, how many real life Poirot-like master private detectives do you know?Most of them are busy stalking married women who are suspected being unfaithful by their jealous upper middle class husbands and that's it. Hardly to build a reputation on that reaches the public.
Video games have always been and always will be about combat.Detective stories, while perhaps conducive to this, aren't directly tied to combat.
>>738921427you can watch it on https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Gn1XBUESb/
>>738966456Other way aroundNice try tho
>>738966456>Most of them are busy stalking married womenhot
>>738925285Western writers cannot do mystery. I tried a ton Western games inspired by them -- they all suck. Only Japs do it right.
>>738966435found this trying to search for the spazz, lol.this one is probably worse.https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8740614/
>>738966563After buying all the jewellery and clothing that is out of fashion within 3 days, which warrants another shopping spree, how can they afford to hire a private investigator?
>>738922779>The Roottrees are Dead>Type HelpGood, practically genre-defining games>What Happened to the CrewDecent Type Help knock off but the core mystery (if you even consider it to have one) is far weaker, though I think the dev mentioned they were working on more content>The Red Pearls of BorneoDecent Type Help knock off with a surprisingly functional GUI, but not much of a mystery and the (rather lengthy) epilogue is entirely linear>IntelligencePretty good, but I disliked both endings (death to all xenoscum)>KinophobiaHaven't finished this one yet, it's very much Roottrees crossed with Zork, but the sheer amount of information you have to filter through and keep track of is way too much for a purely text-based interface, nice spooky vibes though. Could be legitimately great if it had a GUI
>>738966118elementary is surprisingly good but I'd only consider it loosely related to the typical holmes stuffunironically better than sherlock though its contemporary competitor>>738966629that show was the definition of "okay" for me. way too much padding you could cut 1/3 of the entire series and it wouldn't change a thing beyond making it better
>>738926865I actually agree that Umineko is a good mystery even by the standards of the genre. However it has two critical flaws:- The red truth counting figurative statements the same as literal ones is utter bullshit.- The amount of killers/accomplices. "Everyone was in on it" is a lame solution that stretches credulity.
>>738966629what the fug
>>738956720H-he's the grandson... of that great detective?!?!
>>738966040Too bad its not his actual name
are there any decent murder mystery films that aren't book adaptations?
Where are the games? This is /v/ not /lit or /tv/
>>738968217Ace Attorney. They're the best written traditional mysteries that have interactivity.
>>738968305>Ace AttorneyYou're not even a detective, anon
>>738918068Deus Ex Human Revolution with the objective markers and item highlights turned off. It actually is designed for you to be able to find things without those, surprisingly, you just have to look/think.
>>738967923i forgot they used Kosuke name at the start of the manga lol. At least the OG got a game last year.https://store.steampowered.com/app/3443380/Kindaichi_Mystery_Series_The_Honjin_Murders/
>>738918251I loved the Sekimeiya but one thing you need to keep in mind while reading it is that motive doesn't matter. Characters will kill each other just because they can without any reasonable explanation.
Those paranormal investigation games for switch, how are they?
>>738968452Detective Fiction does not require literal detectives. The character simply has to act the role, which Ace Attorney protags do.
>>738968785Paranormasight? The demo is the only interest part. Play that and skip.
>>738918865I have no need to choose one. I choose both.
>>738968832>Detective FictionAce attorny isn't detective fiction, retard. you're equating Murder Mystery to Detective Fiction, learn the difference.>Detective FictionHotel DuskLast WindowDisco ElysiumLa Noire>Murder MysteryAce AttornyDanganronpa
>>738953934I do, but it's obviously Dutch only.
>>738969552Detective Fiction and murder mysteries are synonymous. What you're thinking of is Noir Fiction.
Are there any mystery games where a group of talented but imperfect detectives pursue the truth behind a complex case?
>>738971020Van Dine #9: There must be but one detective.
>>738970184>Detective Fiction and murder mysteries are synonymous.You don't know what you're taalking about.
>>738971020>First entry is amazing>Every attempt at a sequel is absolute garbage MANY SUCH CASES!
>>738971020disco elysium is the most similar thing to this and it's not really that similar and the mystery itself sucks
>>738971213The mystery in True Detective also sucks.
I want more Twin Peaks style games. Deadly Premonition was technically that, but the mystery was lame.
feels like this genre is universally loved by everyone from young boys to old wine aunts but there isn't actually that many of games or even movies in it
If you make the mysteries in a game really good, 90% of gamers won't be able to solve them...
>>738971358Thats because the genre is perfect for books and tv shows, which is where it can be found in most quantity
>>738971472good, I want to be in the 10%
>>738971358>but there isn't actually that many of gamesYeah, there's only like 4 or 5 of them, the rest aren't even detective games.
>>738971358Because you need talent to write them. Just look at what they did to Joker and Riddler, the two villains that made Batman a detective book. They just reduced them to glorified murderers.
>>738971509>This is DARK SOULS of the mystery games
>>738970184>>738970184>Detective Fiction and murder mysteries are synonymousBrainlit take, lol
>>738971778oops meant >>738971232 for the first one
>>738971778he's right, it's detective fiction as long as there's a character playing the role of a detective, he doesn't need to be an actual detective
>>738969552Arguing over pedantic semantic shit is pure Reddit-brain. Nobody cares, faggot.
>>738971854So are the RDJ Sherlock movies detective fiction then?
>>738971358They're very difficulty to write. I wrote a mystery VN and it takes an enormous amount of planning.
im playing portopia serial murder case and it was fun detective work until i encountered a dungeon crawling segment and now im stuck in the maze
>>738971854>it's detective fiction as long as there's a character playing the role of a detective,No it's not, retard. You're over simplifying the genre.>>738971897>seething out on nowherelol you seem to care a lot
Sherlock Holmes is not good mystery
>>738972216>No it's not, retardYes it is. Miss Marple is an icon of the genre and she's not a detective.
>>738920470Thanks ChatGPT
>>738965670Russian adaptation?
>>738918068This series makes Hot Fuzz murder-town look like a vacation. British rural towns should be deserted at this point.
>>738972345>Miss Marple is an icon of the genre and she's not a detective.Damn you're retarded. When i said "no it's not, retard" I meant that simply having a character play the role of a detective isn't what defins the genre. Tl;dr: stop being autistic and think before replying
>>738935356Conan movies are still fun and worth watching
>>738971020play pathologic 2
>>738948205>trannyneko>good
>>738918068Seance at Blake Manor preddy gud
>>738973386James Earl Jones is a treasure
>>738932449It's connected to all of them. It is the last episode man. Otherwise, it exists on it's own and it's heartwrenching.
