https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtEQXypwmLU>The California State Assembly Appropriations Committee voted yes to move the bill forward to the Assembly floor.>This is a huge success. The gaslighting attempts by the ESA failed.ESA got btfo.Gamers won.
>CaliforniaThese are your allies?Lmao.
>>738918204>finally, we've stopped killing games in Europe and California>all the live service games are in Asia...
>>738918204Thorsissies, how do we cope?
>>738918204what's in the bill
>>738918853By increasing 41% to 41.1%
So now what?
THIS IS HECKIN COMMUNISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FIRST THEY DAMAGE CORPORATIONSNEXT THING THEY DO IS GETTING OUR GUNS AWAY
>>738918784If they offer the game in Europe or California they have to abide by those laws.
>>738919047Either California twists this into something perverted or they overreach and Stop Killing Games dies a slow painful death by American corporate interests
Stop Killing Threads
Finally all my games can be subscriptions as companies are forced to keep them alive!
>>738918204LET'S GO AMERIMUTTS LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>738918853He worked at Blizzard. What have you done? You never worked at Blizzard. He did though. Work at Blizzard that is. You didn't know? Yeah, he worked at Blizzard. He was a Blizzard employee. Yeah, that Blizzard. Employed there. At Blizzard.
>>738918282california is known as the trend setting state. if law gets passed here expect it to be a ripple affect that influences all of the US.
>>738918853Insane behavior.
>>7389193287 years
>>738919328And a Hacker. He'll probably hack you for making this post. Hacker of all hackers.
>>738919047We get angry out of spite for being contrarians since it's what most people want, even though it directly benefits our hobby, which we (allegedly) enjoy.
>>738919328HACKING NUCLEAR POWERPLANTS FOR THE GOVERNMENT
>>738919328https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y03L5KlXDLg
>>738919331Yea like the bill where it's not a crime to hide from a sexual partner that you have aids, allowing minors to have sex change surgery, abortions up til the day before birth, and making it more expensive to hire Americans over Indians and Illegal Mexicans Truly a trend setter on the right side of history
>>738919328He was first second generation Blizzard employee. >>738919518>1.7 million views Jesus, people really love clowning on him.
>>738918784asians have completely dug their own grave with gacha shit, they pay billions for the opportunity to look at jpgs in an otherwise terrible game that will eventually shut down and steal all their moneythere are no shortage of alternative video games for them to play, they actively choose to have a gambling addiction and created the gacha industry before importing it to the westit's not a goal of SKG, but the best thing we can do is completely ban all gacha games in the western market, not that it'll happen
>>738919328And you didn't even mention the most important part: that he's the first second-generation Blizzard employee.
>>738918204Ross won.The Mold won.Ferret fucker lost.
>>738919328kek
>>738919328My favorite one is when he does the classic phrasing of "we fixed this". i.e. talking about how "we" stopped botters in WOW by putting a rock in their path or something, and never specifying that he did 0% of the coding work and was just a tester
>>738918282the commie government is the first place you should go to pass your commie legislation
>>738919562i agree ultra progressive bullshit needs to go if dems ever want to stand a chance of winning elections again. do you see ultra DEI policy being pushed currently? no. ultra progressive mania is slowly getting a grasp on reality, but our progressive nature still persists and is what drives ambition. if you want dismiss every good with all the bad then there's really no winning with you.
>>738919583They recently did a large scale national survey in Japan and apparently over 90% of people said they don't like gacha. Yet they still consoom because they are cattle. I think chinks are the only ones who legitimately love that shit. Which is also why they are the ones who pioneered the "AAA gacha" industry, despite gacha originating from Japan.
>>738918927https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjUaH1NK8uA
>>738918204>california does a socialismwow impressive
Now things are begining to make sense.More later.
>>738919759They have literally announced their plan is to bumrush laws in to ensure they can push as much stuff as they want uninterfered and never ever go punished for it lmao
>>738919328
there is a none zero chance that ESA lawyers researching SKG had to see this picture while browsing who the hell Ross Scott is.
>>738919865or you can try look at what is currently happening with voting, every red state is getting their gerrymandering approved while the blue states hold themselves accountable and actually follow the law, costing them seats. ideas or reality? do you want to play or keep your head buried in the sand?oh wait i know, you'll pick the winning side! how predictably boring.
>>738919759>Do you see them publicly announcing positions the majority of Americans disagree with before elections? No, obviously that means they don't want to push it anymoreUh huhSure, ok buddy.
>>738918282Eat my full ass jason
>>738919597>First nepo babyLolLmao
>>738919975>every red state is getting their gerrymandering approved while the blue states hold themselves accountable and actually follow the law, costing them seats.That is quite literally not what is happening. The voting rights act was passed to more or less allow insane gerrymandering like what has occurred in New York, Illinois, and California while restricting the extent that red states can do so. Virginia got their map tossed out because they broke the law with the language used in the referenced, making it look like got the average person it was meant to be a non partisan map while in reality was the most gerrymandered map in the country.Anyway tick tock faggot, your lose condition is when the 2030 census happens and all the blue state emigration kicks in making the house near impossible for Dems to ever win again.
>>738919631Mine is when he talks about the valuable lessons from there that he's trying to bring over to his studio, like what a great CEO he is, making sure even the lowest employee can always e-mail him directly about anything. Then you look at his studio and it involves like two other people, one of which is his girlfriend.
>>738919759they're not pushing progressive policies because they're out of power. look at virginia. the governor campaigned as a moderate, democrats get a majority there and they immediately start ramming down progressive policies. this is their national gameplan.
>>738919975>oh wait i know, you'll pick the winning side! how predictably boring.The country is full of browns and fags. Everything sucks and my taxes are paying for it. You might have a few inconsequential examples of liberals losing but they’re winning the long game. My city and country are dead. We’re Brazil 2 now. Thanks faggots.
>>738919583Then you should also ban counter strike.
>>738918282Would you rather it went to Texas?
>>738919865>They have literally announced their plan is to bumrush laws in to ensure they can push as much stuff as they want uninterfered and never ever go punished for it lmaoThat's the plan of every politician in America and has been for decades retard
>>738918204
>>738920283it's pretty funny when a country can be in several wars, building huge vanity projects, and cutting benefits programs at every level, and retards will still fall for the "muh immigrants" line
>>738920312I'm fine with that.
>>738920312obviously I agree, all gambling should be illegal, no matter what form it takes
>>738919770>They recently did a large scale national survey in Japan and apparently over 90% of people said they don't like gacha. Yet they still consoom because they are cattleanon, gachaslop revenue is fucking collapsing as japan gets sick of any gacha that isn't uma musume or pokemon tcghoyoshit of all things is already pulling the plug on ps4 ports to save costs
>>738919562It's not a crime to hide the fact that you have syphilis from your partner, or any other STD for that matter. So why should AIDS be singled out, even more so now that we have medication for it? >allowing minors to have sex change surgery, Only in extreme cases, like when you have to remove a limb to halt infections. >abortions up til the day before birth, Lies
>>738919975>red state gerrymandering>rectangular districts of similar areas>virginia gerrymandering>carved up the dc metro into several tentacles that stretched into rural areas on the west side of the state to dilute the representation of their citizensseriously bring me a single red state redistricting that's as nonsensical as illinois or cali. yeah it's partisan, that's intentional. people can still vote out blatant power grabs. there's never been a fair solution to the problem in the procedure.
>>738920356Well it should be but Republicans don't have the balls to eliminate the filibuster and pass the SAFE act because unlike Dems there are still some deluded boomers in the party that think the goal isn't to create a one party state
european speedrunner assembly... not like this...
>>738920382What does he know
>>738920498>Why should hiding you have a life crippling STI that is passed down to children be a crime Are you kidding me?You faggots can't actually be this delusional right? If it's not a big deal why hide it?
>>738920243At least I have a girlfriend.
>>738918853A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE JUST MADE IT ON THE LISTHOPE IT WAS WORTH IT
>>738919518>>738919328>>738918853What's fucking wild to me is finding out he used to bankroll the prize pool for SimpleFlips's Mario 64 romhack competitions right up until he became the biggest gaming lolcow.
>>738919047Now? Realistically?Games are just going to bake some bullshit clause into their EULA agreements that say something like "yeah yeah I accept that this game will only last 1-6 years and pretty promise not to sue about it". It's an amazing law but corporations are just too powerful. Nothing will actually change
>>738919865>Abolishing the electoral college and making DC and Rico proper states This is great, why are you framing this as a bad idea? >Packing the Court Is a bad idea but its something both sides are guilty of
>>738920534>being this retardedThe SAFE act isn't something designed to get passed, and they could've pushed it last year when they had a true majority at all levels. Right now it exists as a talking point to ensure a 2028 win, and if not that, a way to ensure any dem win in 2028 is left unable to do anything by constantly forcing legal issues (like how 2020 was followed by years of voter fraud being put in front of courts and taking up hours of TV airtime a day).
>>738920414The wars barely effect me besides gas prices and imports. The vanity projects are a dumb waste of taxes but a drop in the puddle.Mass migration makes housing unaffordable because the long term goal for the left is just mega cities where everyone lives in a pod
>>738919328Don't forget that he did 20 years in the can!
>>738920450part of that is because gacha in japan is like TCG shit here. a lot of scammy companies that offer a 'cheap' gacha/TCG to someone with nowhere near enough popularity to justify having one, they spend money on manufacturing and distribution, and then they're suddenly stuck with a bunch of shit nobody wants. the gacha/TCG industry records it as a loss, if it's even big enough to register on those statistics at allthe PS4 is like 16 years old now, too, nintendo pulls live service shit earlier than that for their own consoles
>>738919562No, like turning right one red, forcing companies to present calories on their menu and banning jobs from contacting you outside of work hours
>>738920570>Didn't readThere is medication for aids and why is it not illegal to hide that you have syphilis?
>>738920659>This is great, why are you framing this as a bad idea?Puerto Rico literally doesn't want to be a state and DC is outlined in the constituon as not being a stateThe left just wants 4 extra free senators
>>738919580>He was first second generation Blizzard employee.this phrase makes me chuckle now
>>738920671>The wars barely effect me besides gas prices and imports.They rape you economically because each missile launched costs tens of millions of dollars, and having guys fucking around on boats in the middle of nowhere on full alert also costs a lot of money.>Mass migration makes housing unaffordable because the long term goal for the left is just mega cities where everyone lives in a podThe reason housing is unaffordable is because your grandparents are hoarding their land actually. You realize those immigrants also aren't buying houses, right? Most of them are probably doing homeshares where 20 of them are packed in one tiny bungalow.
>>738920714Syphilis can be cured you fucking retard Aids is a lifetime of medical bills and a shortened life span even with drugs, and you pass it on to children Why is leftist discourse just about pretending not to understand things?
>>738920653>Nothing will actually changeWhat if the law literally requires them to write in big fat letters that the game has an expiration date? Something that everyone could read at first glance and not just a tiny sentence in the corner or buried in the EULA
>>738918282Its one of the most populous states in the country. They will comply just because they can't afford to lose that market. Its also why the EU forcing USB-C got Apple to change its ports in the US
>>738920312Can you imagine a world without Counter-Strike?
>>738920752>and having guys fucking around on boats in the middle of nowhere on full alert also costs a lot of money.They'd be fucking around on boats somewhere else, we are militarized at all times>The reason housing is unaffordable is because your grandparents are hoarding their land actually.No, it is because demand outweighed supply for a long enough time on top of large companies like blackrock buying up the land for either rental units or purely as investment resources
>>738918282Yea, look at these retards being allies with...the 4th-largest economy on the planet.
>>738920653desu the fact Ross/the guy actually leading ske weren't just outright murdered before this went to parliament shows that the game industry doesn't have as much power as you might think
>>738920786then nothing will change. consumers don't care about fotm live service games shutting down
>>738918204this will only solidify pushing age verification and the complete fucking of being anonymous
>we have a commie in here saying it should be perfectly okay and legal to pass AIDS onto people without telling them The left has gone insane
>>738920868>They'd be fucking around on boats somewhere else, we are militarized at all timesThey wouldn't be constantly prepping or utilizing their equipment as actively, which all costs money. Funny you ignore the missiles though, where the munitions used thus far in the war have been so bad that America has resorted to acting like Indian scammers to make up the money for it.>No, it is because demand outweighed supply for a long enough time on top of large companies like blackrock buying up the land for either rental units or purely as investment resourcesSo the blame isn't with migrants.
>>738920931>They wouldn't be constantly prepping or utilizing their equipment as activelyYes they would. You have no idea how our military operates.>So the blame isn't with migrants.We have 30 million illegals here in demand of housingI wonder how that affects housing prices.
>>738920714>bro it's cool to hide the fact you have aids from your partner, who cares that your kids will have aids too? There's medication for it now.Making a strong case to bring back stoning as punishment for being THIS much of a scumbag.What possesses you to take a stance like this? You have to be trolling.
>>738920786Yeah I'm still with >>738920881I don't think slapping a sticker on the box that says "servers will be up for 1-6 years" is going to stop Joe Moron from spending $60 on it.Although the rate at which game like Friday the 13th got shut down definitely did impact sales for Killer Klowns and Evil Dead so maybe I'm being too pessimistic
>>738920721Puerto Rico literally wants to be a state, they have been fighting for it for decades now. But congress won't allow it, and you know why? Because the republicans won't allow it As for DC, times change. People who live there want representation
>>738920920pipe down timmy, his argument is if every other STD doesn't have a similar ruling then why single out AIDS? get off your high horse and think of the bigger implication here. who were they targeting? who benefits?
>>738921027Would you be okay if Texas split into 4 states as is agreed by the terms of their joining the union they have the right to?
>>738921036AIDs is just an example but obvious any STD that is incurable and life threatening it should be criminal to not reveal to a partner Again, you room temperature IQ dumb fuck commies just pretend to not understand the conversation you're having because you know your point is indefensible
>>738919631For me it was the "I don't have a god complex, now I'm gonna ban you"
>>738920995>We have 30 million illegals here in demand of housingIllegals aren't running around buying enough houses to cause a shortage, specifically because they are illegal. They're often staying with existing family or with people who are 'employing' them under the table, or they're just homeless. Additionally, 30 million wouldn't even fuck housing that badly, but you know what does? A quarter of your actual population hoarding their PROPERTIES (plural) all while the government allows various corporations to buy up and develop land, not for human use, but to build up things like massive datacenters. Immigrants as a tool adversely affecting housing, especially the delusion that illegals are, has always been a form of distraction. It gives an easy enemy that doesn't actually harm the government, when you critique illegal immigration, all the government has to do is pay lipservice, show some guys rounding up the darkies, and that's it, that's all they have to do to sate people.But you'll never see this solve an issue because it's not causing the issues. And you know that.
>>738920782Syphilis can still be passed down to your children, and again you're not required to inform anyone that you have it. So why are you giving one curable condition a pass but not the other? >Why is leftist discourse just about pretending not to understand thingsI understand perfectly
So are the idiots spamming about STD laws paid actors to derail the thread?>inb4 take your medsHaven't eaten yet. They'll hurt my tummy
>>738920931>They wouldn't be constantly prepping or utilizing their equipment as activelyyes they would.
>>738921027Puerto Rico polling suggests the vast majority want independence, not statehood.There is no changing of times for DC, it is part of the constitution. If the citizens of DC want to become a state then the civilian part of city can be reabsorbed by Virginia
>>738921191>STD lawsThey watched a Destiny debate from 9 years ago and now feel like they are the smartest kid on the block
>>738921156>I understand perfectlySo when you say "curable condition" you admit you are lying and just pretending to not know, then? Thanks for confirming it
>>738918204California is awesome for this
>>738921014>Didn't read Why are right wingers unable to read? Or is it just that they don't have the ability to form good conclusions. >>738921086Yes
>>738921156See>>738921125I'm not engaging with a pedophile communist that wants to give kids AIDs anymore
conservashills becoming increasingly flustered that no-nonsense regulation that benefits consumers is popular on what is historically a conservative recruiting space
Wait why are communists now advocating for giving kids AIDs?I know they hate children based on wanting post birth abortions but that seems extreme
>>738918204based
>>738918204I never had any moral issues with pirating games and I will continue to do so, especially now that they can actually take a game away from me
>>738921341>>738921287Anon, please. Stop pretending to be a new guy just entering the thread to agree with yourself. It's blatantly obvious with the posts 1 minute apart and with you being the only person ITT who doesn't know how to spell AIDS
>>738921341Leftism is just a religion around wanting to kill children and white people
>>738920721electoral college sucks. it makes sense if you're a conservative because at the moment it's your most consistent path to winning but no conservative who lives in a blue state or democrat who lives in a red state is thinking "yeah it's badass that my vote literally doesn't matter on the national level"
>>738921259And once again the right wingers shows they don't process the ability to read, because through context clues following the conversation you should have been able to understand that I was referring to syphilis when I said curable condition. Which you are giving a pass, while AIDS is not curable the medication available makes it possible to live a normal life, like how there is medication that allows you to live a normal life even if you have COPD
>>738921471Electoral college is great because brown people are retarded and all gather together in major cities
>>738921556>process the ability to readmhm>that I was referring to syphilis when I said curable conditionYou said "one, but not the other". Therefore, you mentioned two supposedly curable condition, not oneNo more (you)s, since I won
>>738919331>>738919759>>738919975>>738920414holy shit i hate canadians. a female nation of demoralized, onions-ridden pussybitches whos entire debating technique consists of: ''i agree with everything you just said BUUUUT-''https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEWFzJyULUEnuke canada, in the name of god nuke snowfornia of the face of the earth.
>>738921125>should it be a crime to not announce any and all STDs to potential partners?>yes>if so why didn't your state push laws for this?that's where we currently are. states (not the government wowee) are allowed to set their laws regarding exposure rules. that means, if your state currently has no ruling on the legality of transmission then why are you even complaining?
>>738921556You have quite literally ignored every argument here. You are defending the idea of lying to people and spreading dangerous lifelong diseases that are passed down to future generations and can cause very difficult problems in the young and old. No one is saying you shouldn't have to inform partners of other diseases, AIDS is just a catch all of one that is especially troubling and difficult to deal with, and the only reason you defend it is because leftism is your religion
tbf even if there's medication where, if the person reliably took it, their HIV was completely non-transmissable (I don't know if this exists) the risk factor from HIV of being disabled for life and having additional expenses to attempt to live a normal life off of one mistake (somebody else's) is so extreme that I would still want to know if somebody has it if this meant everyone has to inform everyone else of their own STDs I would probably go for that
>>738921687Even with it not being illegal on a federal level, in most states you can sue the partner for punitive damages in civil court. California precents this This inherently makes California's laws worse than any state that says nothing.
>>738921556>get syphilis>get a shot of penicillin>resolved>get AIDS>take meds for life and die if you stopsure is the same thing my gay friend
>>738921775you can't seem to get CAs dick out of your mouth for a second to focus on your own state, no wonder.
>>738919583I heard there were already gambling addicts due to Pachinko or something, paving the way for gacha.
>>738921341>>738921454You're the guys claiming that a few school shootings a year are a worthy sacrifice for the second amendment
>>738918204GAMERS WON
>>738921647i'm congo
>>738921806The discussion started about California laws being based you fucking neanderthal retard.No wonder you're a pinko, you have the understanding of a 7 year old and probably listen to other dumb fucks like Vaush or Hasan.
>>738920312Yes.Oh no, the legion of russians will cry for blood.I don't care.
>>738921907I mean if it was up to me leftoids wouldn't have guns, I think we both agree on that
The leftist cries out in agony as he raped kids to give them AIDS
>>738922094Well trannies definitely shouldn't, they've proven themselves quite mentally unstable as in this thread the tranny talks about his love of giving children AIDS
>>738921921>Yes, someone with an STD who knowingly infects others can still be held accountable under California law. The recent changes decriminalized certain behaviors related to HIV exposure but did not legalize intentional transmission. In fact, California now treats all STDs the same way under a single law that focuses on intent to harmi get this just makes it a bit harder to argue for in court, but the bad apples who take pleasure in intentionally affecting others can still be prosecuted. there's nothing more american than wanting freedom right?
>>738921143>Illegals aren't running around buying enough houses to cause a shortageThey do not need toAll they need is Blackrock and Friends lending it to the slave owners. Its a promise that will keep the housing up and payments low.You can cry about datacenters and other projects, but people actually notice when local market speaks somali and you pretend it was always the case.There is always a lot of land to develop housing in USA (unlike Europe), but this problem comes from focusing the job market on cities instead of decentralized industry.
>>738922121>hands you a lifetime of having to take drugsNothing personnel, kid.
>>738921647Canada doesnt have epstein pedophiles jew worshippers as their president. That's why Canada is superior to America in every way.
The irony is killing games, and creative, innovative concepts from being used again.
>>738922302>complains about capitalism>"but muh illegals are doing all of it"May as well just kill yourself at this point honestly.
>>738922258You can't subpoena medical records so it effectively makes it impossible to prove someone knew about their STI unless you can find a key witness that they told prior or it's a repeat offense
>>738918282it's the enternainment state, where most american games get made
>>738922509Didn't know capitalism was setting up hundreds of fake day cares and getting billions from taxpayers to louge around and live a life of luxury
>>738922509>>complains about capitalismlmao
>>738918282>divide and conquer kike is afraid
abandon thread the /pol/tards have stolen it to talk about the optics of gay sex
>>738922483Please explain what “creativity” can stem from a live service environment where you pay for digital goods that can be revoked at any time, especially when the servers inevitably shut down for good?
>>738922590Trying to hold people accountable and respecting their 4th amendment right to privacy, what a hard thing to balance wouldn't you say? or are you saying the 4th amendment doesn't matter? that's what it feels like timmy, and that feels very anti-american!
>EU proposal>somehow US believes they have any sayis the US just larping here? EU would proceed no matter what, how does this matter?
>>738918853100% this faggot fucks his ferrets and then goes and cries about how his ferret died to sickness after killing the poor thing with his 2 inch peener
>>738922645oh, so that’s why video games are complete and utter dogshit these days
>>738918282Would you have preferred The Punjabi Zionist Republic of Texas?
>>738922664It actually is about that, yes.
nothing will changestop wasting your timeget the new forza 6 video game now!...as long as it exist...
>>738920498>It's not a crime to hide the fact that you have syphilis from your partner, or any other STD for that matter. So why should AIDS be singled out, even more so now that we have medication for it?Because it should be a crime to hide that you have syphilis from your partner, or any other STD for that matter.
>>738922834Well leftists don't respect my right to privacy about the firearms I have so why should I respect their right to privacy about the AIDS they want to give to children?
>>738922910It's literally not.These daycares don't make a penny of profit, the state just gives them 50k every 2 weeks for existing and saying they have a bunch of kids that use itThat's cooked books socialism
>>738922874>is the US just larping here?unironically yes, they do it all the time>new EU legislation goes into action>US has a meeting about it>w-well w-we would ha-have agreed to it anyways s-so y-you are allowed to pro-proceed!
>>738922483Explain what exactly you mean by that. Tell me of this apparently creativity that will be nuked.Go on, I'm waiting.
>>738923098>this apparently creativitygood morning saar, redeem the bloody kill games
>>738920498It should be a crime to hide any STD from a partner, and AIDS should be punished more harshly than syphilis as atttempted murder just like how trying to kill a person is more severe than injuring a person.
nothing changed
>>738921613If there is medication that allow you to live a normal life despite having aids then it's more or less curable but I admit I'm mostly arguing semantics here >>738921718How can I ignore arguments when not a single one has been presented, plenty of accusations but no arguments. >>738921782>Get syphilis >have a child before you take the cure so now it has it as well >Child also suffered damages before it's given a cure But I guess that's fine because reasons?
>>738922874It matters because if it's not only the EU enforcing it, companies will be forced to oblige instead of just changing some random phrasing in a eula somewhere. This would be just as big news if China or Canada or Mexico implemented it first, but California is a commie sanctuary so they love passing laws.And as the retards in this thread can't seem to grasp, only the good ones spread across the nation
ESA did some weak ass shit in defense putting out some wall of text pretending thatll stop momentum, what weak ass lawyers they are paying for that shit
>>738919921Do you think one of them read that hes got to make the movie?
>>738918282Is there anything better than convincing your enemies to engineer their own demise?
>>738922968This Anon gets it
>>738919975>every red state is getting their gerrymandering approved while the blue states hold themselves accountable and actually follow the lawYou can't honestly believe this black and white "we're fighting voldemort" tier garbage, can you?
All live service games should be required to expose their source code and have checks in place to confirm that roll % are exactly as they say they are and go through regulations that casinos have to go through.
>>738918282it's goober gate all over again, cringe retards who clearly don't belong here forcing themselves in
>The well educated politicians of California are here to save video games!It's crazy that you can have a sign that says something is a completely awful idea right in front of you and you can still choose to ignore it.
>>738923148when did I say anything about children? learn to read
>>738918204Based
>>738923124You wouldn't have answered him even without the misspelling. You have no position worth respecting.
>>738922910So it's also about buying the bullets to kill the people doing that, right?
>>738923216I hate jews and isreal, the right all work for the jews and so the democrats is the only sensible party left against the jews and everything evil they push.
>>738919975>while the blue states hold themselves accountableVirginia literally just tried to gerrymander to dems, but lost. Now you're pissing and shitting yourself because it didn't work for you.
>>738923342You are stuck in the two party dynamic while believing one party is benevolent lmao
>>738918204What the fuck do we do now shillbros?! How do we convince our owners that we failed and that we are going to be forced to make our online live service slop playable offline... fuck. Fuck. FUCK. WHAT THE FUCK DO WE DO??
>>738923343Virginia tried to make voting fairer for their constituents and the senile court blocked it, this is why they need to be all removed.
>>738923402>our noble efforts to make votes fairer>their evil efforts to disenfranchise illegal alien residents :^)
>ummmm you don’t actually own the product you bought and I agree with woke capitalist videogame companies now just to spite you Miggers are insufferable. I can’t wait for these hypocritical degenerates to get BTFO. Nobody but boomers, Jeets, and Jews likes them anymore
>>738922773>you have a cool concept on your head>upfront costs for making your idea reality skyrocket>game never made>"what are you poor?"what's so difficult to understand
>>738923402>Make voting fairer>Giant octopus of evil districts that makes all but one district +10 blueThis has to be parody
>>738923465>go to bowling alley>rent a lane for an hour>this doesn't automatically make me part owner of the bowling alley>"Wtf I paid for this lane tho?!"
>>738923073burgers also love to steal legislation from the EU shortly after they get enforced and then pretend they came up with it first. The same will happen here again and will make them look like the heroes of the people, at least in burgerland
>>738923502normal people lean left, what's wrong with representing a state properly?
>>738923550The 'left' that normal people leaned throughout all of history would be worse than Hitler todayHitler of all people had to pioneer animal cruelty laws in germany
>>738923518>false equivalencyYou lost in your kike attempt to force a license on games. I own what I buy. You will never win.
>>738923518>hurr durr Your Analogy is retarded, as the more appropriate analogy would be that you can’t play bowling in the privacy of your own home because the “CEO of Bowling Inc” owns the copyright and you need to pay a licensing fee just to bowl like you used to, shill.
>>738923679I thought the thumbnail was a crab
>>738918784>get to stop killing games while still punishing tasteless paypiggiesThis is the best summer ever!
>>738923656Seems like this is avoidable by not buying bowling alleys that connect online>but I want my bowling alley AND online connection features >but I don't want any downsides and you must pay for it foreverHow many years should you be forced to pay for your internet service?
>>738923550Normal people lean national socialism, or whatever the socially acceptable term is since moustache man co-opted it.
>>738923679a dire downgrade to the US, where the person who made the study was sentenced to 30 years in prison to teach him a lesson
>>738923852>Normal people lean national socialismkek this site is so fucking retarded
>>738923823this is simply solved by just releasing software to run servers to the people who bought the game. You know, how it use to be done 20 years ago
>>738920841God, that was still so based of the EU. Fuck all those proprietary cables that ultimately did the exact same shit. Applefags bitched and moaned at first, but I doubt anyone cares now that everyone always a USB-C phone charger handy. I wish the US could be like the EU in terms of keeping these corporate mongrels in their place instead of bending to their every whim.
Corpo bootlickers will have a problem with this. Gamers stay winning, furfags stay malding
>>738923823Or Bowling Inc could make it so that other people could play feature complete bowling online using their own servers, something that would take an afternoon to allow. But we know they won’t because the Jews at bowling Inc want to have their cake and eat it too (have complete control of an IP and what can be done with it so they can sue the goy if they do a no no with the product they bought, while also being able to ignore and not give a shit about it).
>>738924116>>738924218So again, this comes down to>I simply MUST play this online slop for all eternityHave you considered not giving your time and money to companies whose practices you don't mesh with?How many years should you be forced to pay for your internet service?
>>738922970>well what about this other thing!Goddamn, you are dumb as fuck, sis.
>>738924294No, I’m simply going to crush these fags with the law while they (and you) seethe and so I and other consoomers like me can enjoy enhanced protections
stop buying licenses, if you want a game buy a game. Its your fault for buying just a license.
>>738919328He literally never talks about it, how could I have known?
>>738920671>blaming the left for unaffordable housing when Trump said he doesn't want the people owning houses to make less money.
>>738924341All because you're that desperate to play that particular slop from a particular company whose policies you don't even particularly enjoylmao
>>738924435No not particularly, I just want you fags who lick the dick of the most evil, gay, and greedy Jews in the earth to have a melty. I enjoy your seethe
>>738919328>nepoid son of a retired glownigDo you think he paid a few visits to the Bill Cosby suite? Gotta keep it in the family afterall when it comes to dynasties of this caliber.
>>738924294>I simply MUST play this online slop for all eternityyes exactly. I should have the option to. I bought it. after all. they didn't say in the terms "this game will run for X months then it will be shut down". they just pull the plug whenever they want, stealing my money.>b-b-but you bought a license. STFU that's exactly what this law is rectifying. cry, shill.>How many years should you be forced to pay for your internet service?none but they should, if that's the road they take. they are selling a product. they are bound to rules as a corporate entity. I would be ok with having the tools to run a server on my computer, that's fine as well. you're being disingenuous. you think you have some killshot argument when you say that but it's extremely weak.
>>738924470I don't lick the dick because I don't care about dicks that I don't have an interest in lickingYou sit there obsessing about a dick that you can't lick, because being told you can't lick the dick of an entity you don't even like that much for some reason drives you mad
>>738924554>I bought it. after all>b-b-but you bought a license. STFUlol post discarded>I bought a ticket for this tour and now the tour is over and they won't let me use my ticket for the next tour what the fuck is this I paid for a ticket
>>738924556>Jewish nonsensical gobbilty gook Was it that easy to break you shills?
>>738924595>>738923518Kill analogy posters brutally
>>738924601You lick the dick of jewish lawyers who will tell future developers they need to fund a trust if they ever want to make an online game in the futureYou are too shortsighted and brown to see the long term ramifications of what you claim you want
>>738924595yes that era is ending, this is what this is about. can I ask you: what do you gain in defending this behavior? are you a small dev on a multiplayer game or what?
>>738924556No, in this case im sucking my own dick while you are licking the dick of a fat, old, ugly Semitic goblin that’s probably covered in goyim baby blood
>>738924658Really though, you can't beat the tour ticket analogyWhy does someone who pays for a ticket to a tour not get the rights to go on the next tour if they already paid for their ticket?
Nothing will change.
>>738924670anti stop killing games people are the most disingenuous people of all time. JUST RELEASE SERVER SOFTWARE. that's it. done. but no that's too much too
>>738924713>while you are licking the dick of a fat, old, ugly Semitic goblin that’s probably covered in goyim baby bloodWho do you think the lawyers are you're rooting for?
>>738924670No, my Aryan lawyers are saying to your Jewish developers they can’t have their cake and eat it too, and that makes you seethe as it means goyim don’t have to beg you for mercy and scraps, and can take control of the franchises they enjoy.
>>738924785They’re Aryan gigachads or honorary Aryans
>>738924776Just make your own game or play games who release their server software like you want.Is this really a difficult concept for communists?>>738924808lol may we see these aryans?
>>738924718>why does someone who pays for a ticket to a tour not get the rights to go on the next tour if they already paid for their ticket?shit analogy, that's buying the sequel. what this stuff is right now is "we are booting you out of the tour at an arbitrary time that was undisclosed, whenever it suits us."
>>738924718You can because it’s retarded. Once the tour is over you can still go back and listen to the music and it’s the same exact experience.
>>738923550>normal people lean leftback in 2008, sure. lefties can't even define what a woman is these days.
>>738924808>>738924840>honorary aryan jewsThe absolute state>>738924864>>738924884>it's a sequel>you can uhhh sit in the lobbySo you have been entirely defeated by the Tour Ticket analogy
>>738924852just don't release multiplayer games if you don't want to simply supply server software. is that a hard concept to grasp? why do you bootlick these corporations? are you on the payroll?
>>738918784>gachajeetspicseamonkeygoycattlejpgviewers>gameskek
>>738924776They know they are wrong and they make absurd arguments and use mental gymnastics to try to convince you that unlimited IP control by companies that sometimes don’t contain any of the original developers is reasonable.
>>738924913My guy, do you think the game developers kvetching about this are not Jewish?
>>738924942That's the thing anon, you're the one demanding every single developer of a multiplayer game bow down to some government aligned corporation to ensure they follow the laws.You are a cancer on gaming
>>738924852>lol may we see these aryans?Yes. Pic related.
>>738924913your analogy is garbage. the way you set it up you declared it as a sequel, which no one is talking about. you're trying to say your strawman argues for getting access to the second game because they bought the first, which no one is doing
>>738925000>Hurr you don’t want the GOVERNMENT involved do you?!The government is based when it does things that benefit me. I know this makes you seethe but gamers will win
>>738925043Anon, how is the second tour of the day a sequel to the first if it follows the exact same script and formula? Is this really the intelligence of the brown trash I'm bothering to argue with on here?
>>738925000this is how games used to be, newfriend. before the 2010s every multiplayer game would ship with server hosting software. ever since ultra corporatization rolled in, they stopped doing that because they want absolute dominion. this is simply going back to that. it will happen. governments love "giving in" to things that ultimately don't really matter in the grand scheme of things so the peasants feel like democracy is working.but then I won't even play it cause AAA games are trash lmao. kill EA, ubisoft, microsoft, all of them. wipe the slate clean>>738925093post hand and eye and hair color
>>738925000... yeah, I also want every game to actually follow the law with respect to whether they're allowed to harvest my data. The law requiring certain behavior from companies that isn't necessarily the easiest thing for them to do is normal and good.
Reminder that ubisoft shit their diapers so hard and is so afraid of lawsuits they already folded and made the crew playable offline before the law is even passed. They know they cant win
>>738924942What's my incentive to update my multiplayer game? What's my incentive to introduce new content? What if someone spins up a narrative against a perfectly fine patch to ruin the reputation of my game and gets me to a point where it makes more sense to discontinue the game? Why should I give you anything else? You already get 100s of hours of gameplay from a $69.99 purchase, why would I even entertain the idea of maintaining online anything? Now I get to have retards complaining about balancing, my data is muddied up, I'm not sure if I should listen to the kvetching casuals or my actual data that supports my games direction? How do I know what's true to follow? Why should I only charge for a one time purchase? Should every piece of content I want to add on now just be a new game? What if the consumer doesn't like the risk I took on my new game that I can't release for a lower cost and provide new content for and it causes my studio to go bankrupt? Who pays for that? The consumer does, because now your selection is more limited, more expensive. That's just one side of things.What about new talent that wants to enter the gaming industry? Too bad, I can't take a risk on new talent, I'm gonna take a risk on the tried and true. What about the entry-level talent that's trying to earn their merits? Bye-bye, you can't promise me a good game, I can't risk an extended development time on my 20 million dollar loan with a 10% annual compounded interest, that additional few million dollars might make or break my company.Live-service serves an extremely important purpose, and that is to help successful games continue to be incentivized to produce content for said game without being punished, and help games that need to die that are bad, die faster, so that way more games like that don't come out. Creating such sever asymmetrical risk does not incentivize the behavior you believe it will.
>>738925265Why do you feel so compelled to play games by companies that have such anti consumer practices? Do your principals not matter compared to how much a game tickles your brain?
>>738925306In the SKG EU hearing one of the EU MEPs mentioned that he was one of those bought The Crew and lost the ability to play it.
>>738925364AoE2 was kept alive by the playerbase. Microsoft managed to successfully sell HD editions of AoE2 and AoE4 thanks to those fans. The players kept the brand and the game alive with zero risk to the publisher or the developers.
>>738919562>making it more expensive to hire Americans over IndiansThis is just true regardless of any law. The legal part is whether or not people are allowed to do it, and neither side of the aisle cares to really make it difficult. Even big Don T has spent lots of effort carving out exceptions for things like the hotel industry where he has otherwise reduced things like H1B because that would hurt his personal business.
>>738925369where did I say I play them? they should still be brought to heel. they will be.
>>738925514At least we can finally admit it's just the typical commie jew tricks
>>738925364those are all issues you're going to have to figure out. not my problem. people figured it out in the past. you got this boss
It takes nothing to make a online game playable offline. Anything about "its costing dev time" is just pathetic cope
>>738925570>It takes nothing to make a online game playable offlineInteresting, what actual steps does it take though? I guarantee it's not nothing and I guarantee you're not paying for it
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>>738919562>allowing minors to have sex change surgery,This might actually be reversed. Recently a bunch of trannies went in front of the state legislature and testified that child hormone treatment ruined their lives and bodies and that if they were adults they never would have done it. They also straight up admit that their parents, doctors, and other trannies pushed them into it and they didn't understand the consequences and just trusted them like all kids/teens do. They were also all gay men too lol.
>>738925369>Why do you want to save you country from being invaded by brown criminals? You hate the people in charge, just leave on principle. You want to stay just because you want to “save what’s left?”. I can make shitty analogies too
>>738925562If being able to own and do what I want with what I buy makes me a commie than call me Mao, Stalin, Tito, Castro, whatever you want faggot
>>738925634you pay for it when you buy the game. this is just the cost of doing business, you know? so they set one coder on a 3 month job to package server hosting software. tiny game studios are able to do this. you got this, 300 million marketing budget AAA game. don't let anyone keep you down
>>738925569>>738925636Yes, I'll figure them out, of course. I won't hire entry level talent, I won't allow new people into the industry without an extreme degree of merit, I'll produce less games, less content, and less things for you. I'm glad it will make you happy, and it will probably make you thrilled if this gets passed and becomes meaningful when you start noticing less releases, less attention, less developers in the space, less money, and less and less and less, until finally someone says "This bill needs to go". Triple A will become extraordinarily dominant in the industry, this bill only supports big companies. You will say good bye to smaller companies. You will have successfully achieved nothing other than crush the dreams of people greater than you, congratulations.
>>738925739>so they set one coder on a 3 month job to package server hosting softwareInteresting, that 'nothing' has turned in to a whole lot of something really quick, anon. Thank you for disproving your own argument and making you look like a retard to the class
>>738925761>This bill only supports big companies Every single big developer is shilling against this nigger, please
>>738919562>making it more expensive to hire Americans over Indians and Illegal MexicansExplain this one, I've never heard of it. With illegals it's cheaper because you're paying them cut rates under the table, but even in California that's not legal.
>>738925817this used to be standard practice. you are supporting "customer pays more for less" implementations by AAA games. you are the milked cow.also I didn't post that. retard
>>738925364Please tell me about how Team Fortress 2 made no money because they were held back by providing a player hosting tool. Go ahead.>but what about your hats? They would die without valve's servers!That isn't what anyone gives a shit about, they care about being able to spin up a server themselves rather than rent space on one from Valve! That is the core demand of SKG, that the game itself remain playable.
>>738918204Is this the lady from Resident Evil 9™
>game theory guy is a politician>freeman's voice guy is literally pushing new laws in eu and usawhat timeline is this
>>738920704>forcing companies to present calories on their menu Good>banning jobs from contacting you outside of work hoursGood>turning right one redAnd then you include one really bad idea with it.Why is this needed anywhere other than city centers with dense pedestrian crowds? It's certainly not needed in Death Valley or Napa Valley.
>>738925890>AAA gamesI don't play those you slopsumerist. And wouldn't you believe it, indie games are more likely to give you the server software you so desperately want but whose games you won't fucking play
>>738925836Dumbass, do you think this hurts Nintendo? No, it doesn't, because entry level talent won't be in the market, new companies won't enter into it, investment cost will be too drastic. But you know what you faggots will do? You'll create massive lines for every Nintendo product ever, you think they're hurt over this? Fuck no they aren't. You're an absolute fucking retard if you think this doesn't benefit anyone other than the companies that can take the risk to make these games, and in fact, their sales will go even further. You wanna know why we remake movies and IPs of 80s shit so much? Because it cost a fuck ton to make new shit, and instead of WB or Paramount or any of these companies making new IPs, it's far better to press the "Guaranteed 3x multiplier on nostalgia slop" button, than it is to make something new.
>>738925846He likely means H1B visa abuse. If you don't know one of the qualifiers to get H1B visa workers is proving that no Americans want the job so they must hire immigrants. This just lead to employers hiding job postings in clever ways and then using that as evidence to hire indians. Recently the feds have wised up to this and have started filing lawsuits exposing the scheme, its also why the job market is supposedly "booming" despite no one being able to find a job. Because companies report the postings while hiding them from actual American workers.
>>738925892they have to be shills. there's no way they defend this without getting a dollar in return. they are actively arguing to get sodomized and stolen from by Big Game. Is this just how americans are?
>>738925364>What if someone spins up a narrative against a perfectly fine patch to ruin the reputation of my game and gets me to a point where it makes more sense to discontinue the game?kek what?>why would I even entertain the idea of maintaining online anything?Don't. Please don't. User hosted servers have been a thing since multiplayer existed and should return to be the standard. If you don't like that just don't bother.>Why should I only charge for a one time purchase?Extremely jewish question, but even then DLC is a thing. Ideally you'd just release a complete game like a normal person.>What if the consumer doesn't like the risk I took on my new game that I can't release for a lower cost and provide new content for and it causes my studio to go bankrupt?This is how I know you're never making anything. Not a video game or anything else. That's the risk you take when you make any kind of product, you troglodyte.I'm not humoring the rest of your schizo babble.
>>738926031>do you thinks this hurts Nintendo. If it doesn’t hurt them than why are all these faggots trying to lobby against it retard? I’m not reading all that cope and seethe you just wrote tl;dr
>>738925892>they care about being able to spin up a server themselves rather than rent space on one from Valve! That is the core demand of SKG, that the game itself remain playable.I can't wait until future game developers are forced to make games that run 60fps on any system so that people won't have to>rent pc usage from a data centerIf you could actually grasp what you're reaching for you would realize it was shit and stop trying
>>738926014The one where Markiplier made a successful horror movie
>>738926043H1B visas are a federal program, California as an individual state has nothing to do with it, so that must not be what he was talking about.
>>738924595Video games are not required to be ephemeral in the way concerts are, besides if a concert could feasibly last forever I see no reason why it shouldn't.
>>738926047You're too retarded to comprehend your oppositions positions. This does not make your opposition retarded. Be careful, someone like you is likely to toss around 'blind contrarian' as an insult without a hint of irony
>>738926109lmao yeah I'm the one he was responding too and speedread to that part >Why should I only charge for a one time purchase?and I realized I was speaking to one of 'em with the small hats. didn't bother with all the hysteria he was conjuring up. anime-poster clarity bullseye once again
>>738919770And what good loyal cattle they are.I shit you not, these people are groomed to believe that it's okay for something you buy to be a limited experience. They gloat over it, even.>Yeah, I played Nier Reincarnation and spend 200,000 JPY on my account. You missed out, bro.>Missed out? I'm hosting a private server for that game and can access all the content>KISAMAAAAAAAAAAAA HOW DARE YOU PIRATE THE GAME. PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE NO HONOR. Games aren't like going to a fucking concert. Games are more than an experience.
>>738918204that whole skg thing is an attack on democracy, capitalism and freedomonly commie trannies support skg
>>738926240Your positions are based on the most extreme Jewish hyperbole possible. It’s like arguing with a leftist who takes a very reasonable position (drug addicts shouldn’t be allowed to fenty fold in the streets) to argue that you want to genocide every homeless/drug addicted person in the country
>>738926128>demanding developers make a product work continuously on the same hardware it already worked on is like demanding they make every game run perfectly on every conceivable hardware setup>agreed with the premise that TF2 made no money because it offered dedicated servers but didn't provide any backingYou shills really don't know how this works huh
>>738926353>only commies support itBased, my presidents got my back too
>>738926240quite literally no one has explained why they personally support this other than this guy who said "communism" and this other guy that larped as if he was EA. I am asking, as a gamer: why would you ever support losing access to the games you bought?
>>738926240>You're too retarded to comprehend your oppositions positions.Ironic since the ones spouting tired arguments and misconstruing the initiative for more than a year now are the ones against SKG. I hope they pay you for your time.
>>738926353>0.00001 ferretbux have been deposited into your account
>>738926538>>738926445>>738926361Exhibit A
>>738926109>Kek whatYou do realize that there are whole PR firms that will have to be dedicated to maintaining the image of the game because it will become very popular to review bomb and tarnish the reputation of games in order to discontinue services, yeah?>Don'tYou're not addressing the argument.>Extremely jewish questionNo, you're gonna pay $129.99 for a single player game, and there is no DLC, you will pay $129.99 for my sequel. Thank you!>This is how I knowThis is how I know you're a commie faggot who loves cock in his ass. My risk does not come at the expense of the government, my risk comes from taking a gamble on a game that I believe will do well for consumers, not risk that I have to factor in on behalf of the government because some spoiled whiney brats can't accept that they purchase licenses and not permanent ownership.
>>738926575I accept your concession.
>>738926617It's illegal to not accept my concession in perpetuity, so I don't know what point you were trying to prove with this post?
>>738926590>You do realize that there are whole PR firms that will have to be dedicated to maintaining the image of the game because it will become very popular to review bomb and tarnish the reputation of games in order to discontinue services, yeah?Oh no! Your business might close if people decide they don’t like the people in charge and boycott it? Welcome to every company ever faggot.
>>738923932What?
>>738926692>concedes in perpetuityI guess we can wrap the whole thread up now, everyone agrees.
>>738926720>Oh no your business might close because an army of brazillians and third worlders spun up an extreme hate campaign and now I have to close my live service game and give up all my code because I can't get new players due to all the harassment from 3rd world subhumansBrazillian favela mindset, extreme goycattle mentality, no wonder you're poor, I can smell it from here.
>>738922874All new manufacture electronics in the world conform to EU standards, even though only EU countries legally need them to
>>738918204This is the legalize weed of zoomersEqually annoying and black coded and spammed everywhere
>>738926590>it will become very popular to review bomb and tarnish the reputation of games in order to discontinue services, yeah?Huh? But the game itself will remain available and can be offered for the same price as ever. It demands no more patches, it should have already made its money, why is it bad for a game to not be profitable indefinitely with no further work from the devs?>offering the service is work!Clearly it's less work than offering dedicated servers if every company prefers it so much. And offering dedicated servers is effortless, if your game being possible to run without your auth servers cuts into your profit margins then something is fundamentally wrong with the game or the devs you've got assigned to it.
>>738926769That's the point anon, we can't wrap it up specifically because now this is an issue that has to be handled in perpetuity. Do you understand yet?
>>738919047Now it goes to the California Assembly and Senate to be read and voted on. If it passes that without any amendments it'll go to the governor for signing, otherwise it gets delayed a bit as they have to vote on the amendment changes.Currently it's on the "Second Reading" blue box so you can follow the chart form there.
>>738926804>his entire money making scheme was defeated by whining BraziliansKWAB
>>738926804It’s a wonder that every single private buisness on earth isn’t immediately shuttered by massive public backlash and boycotting/hate campaigns and that capitalism hasn’t already collapsed by favela monkeys on shitty computers leaving as reviews in broken English. Do you seriously believe this? Nobody can be this retarded
>>738918204Cool, so we can stop killing games and start killing developers. Let's show them all, gamers! Victory!
>>738926874You only have to maintain user hosting tools as long as you would've maintained the game. If hosting tools take more money to maintain than your own servers, your devs need to be fired and replaced.
>>738926590>No, you're gonna pay $129.99 for a single player gameWrong. I simply shan't be buying your trash.>not risk that I have to factor in on behalf of the government because some spoiled whiney brats can't accept that they purchase licenses and not permanent ownership.Again, you have never produced anything in your life. Anyone that makes anything commercially already has to comply with regulations in some way or form. This is like kvetching that people have a 14 day return window on the things they buy. You simply comply with the regulations or don't get to play. Thank you!
>>738926891The absurdity is hilarious. He genuinely thinks that seething third worlders leaving bad reviews have the power to topple the global financial system
>>738919562>it's not a crimeIt's still a crime, just not a felony
>>738918282Dude, for ONCE Commiefornia is doing something good
>>738926590I can hear the accent over the text
>>738926874It's not a problem, PHP is open source and anyone can easily create their own image board as long as they pay the server costs. Kinda like what SKG wants to force always online games to become at EoL (minus the open source part).
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>>738927006What does it sound like?
>>738918282Yeah because it would be much better if it were some flyover shithole right? Nobody would give a shit if it were Kentucky passing this, get fucking real California is the most important state in the country: what it does others follow.
>>738927095manhattan. Like that "HOW DARE YOU!? I WALKED JOHN LENNON UP ON STAGE!" goblin man
>>738926878What a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit.
>>738927124Its also where literally every single game studio is set up alongside practically every single major tech company. It passing in Cali is a fucking miracle given that.
>>738927081Please! I don't remember what the sky looked like! You can't keep me in the server room forever! I'm a human being with dignity and rights! Curse you! Curse you EU commission and SKG!
>>738926856>It will have already made the money backOh no, it didn't, because the hate campaign began 2 months before. For no actual reason. No one wanted to buy it except a few 100 people, now my game is dead. Welp, there goes 20 million dollars, and $6,500 in refunds. It was a good game, could have had a lot of content, but I can't out PR half a million AI agents coded with the express purpose of nitpicking everything I do, and I can't take development cost out to take care of it.>It's less work, fundamentally wrong with the game.Part of arguing means that you have to remain coherent and consistent with the arguments you're making. You determining what you believe is the best thing that's happening, VS. what's actually happening, does not mean you get to substitute a reality that doesn't exist into it. Please coherently describe how offering a service which I provide new content for continuously over multiple years, employing hundreds if not thousands of developers, artist, and new talent, should result in the ability to do any of the things I mentioned previously that would not harm, massively damage, or ruin the potential of my IP.>>738926891>>738926976>Non argumentsAlthough, it's rather funny you don't believe that these things aren't possible. Look at what trannys do and obtain with such a small and insignificant influence, imagine when free games are on the line for 3rd worlders.>>738927081>He thinks the EU is the good guysEverytime I see things like this, I'm reminded of the last European product I knowingly purchased. It was at a world market in 2014. As the years have moved forward, Europe has produced less and less. I wonder if it has to do with something fundamentally wrong with the EU stifling growth of their economies and producing goods. Probably, but at least they wanna stick it to the gamers and limit their selection of games that will come out. That I do support.
>>738927224It's a necessary structure
>>738927283I want the servers for this dead game that sold 4 copies to be up in 2 hours. Chop chop, sweatie.
>>738927283>It was a good gamecritical flaw in the premise of your argument
>>738927360Sure! Hey, by the way, don't you think it's wrong that we rent electricity? Shouldn't the electricity just be free? And what about the food!? The food should also be free, I should be able to get one receipt for a big mac, and then get infinite big mac forever! I'm sure these systems don't result in catastrophic failures, famines, and loss of life.
>read what skg wants>it doesn't want servers up forever>it does want the ability for players to set up their own servers when the service ends>or alternatively a sun setting plan going forward so players can play without needing a serverthe fuck is up with all the posting about companies being BETRAYED and TRAPPED in the server room for eternity then?
>>738927283>Look at what trannys do and obtain with such a small and insignificant influencea huge amount of people working in the US defense industry and aerospace are mtf trannies.furries also run the entire planet's cybersecurity.
>>738927283>Although, it's rather funny you don't believe that these things aren't possible.The chance that you are financially ruined because macacaos seethed randomly at you in Portuguese is highly improbable, and can quite literally happen to any business . >free games are on the line Nigger, they already paid for the game. That’s quite literally the point of SKGs
>>738927283>Europe has produced less and less. Not really but most of what we produce isn't consumers good outside of cars and some household appliances. We produce tools and heavy machinery
>>738927283I want to live in the reality where some god awful Concordlike decided to hard code a bunch of stuff to be on their master server (ala Darkspore), then when the game naturally flops the developers have to by law undo their own retarded decision to make it that way in the first place.
>>738927283>20 million dollar live service game that was completely vulnerable to an anti-hype campaign diesOh noooo... how horrible...Games shouldn't take multiple millions to make. Games shouldn't be so vulnerable to an anti-hype campaign that they completely fail due to it. Sorry you're a literal corporate shill who thinks it's normal that games cost millions at minimum and sell entirely on marketing buzz and not on what their gameplay and visuals are like.>Please coherently describe how offering a service which I provide new content for continuously over multiple years, employing hundreds if not thousands of developers, artist, and new talent, should result in the ability to do any of the things I mentioned previouslyNone of their work is required for the game to continue functioning on hardware where it already functioned. Try again.
>>738927283>It was a good gameClearly not. But your increasingly outlandish hypothetical is pretty entertaining so keep going.>>738927449>food analogyOh no, it's mindbroken.
>>738927480Strawman arguments to make SKG seem unreasonable
>>738927480blah blah blah, nobody reads your post.
>>738927480They love lying out of their asses because they have no other arguments with it
>>738927480It’s shills and bad faith retards trying to poison the well like >>738927283
>>738927283>It was a good game, could have had a lot of content, but I can't out PR half a million AI agents coded with the express purpose of nitpicking everything I do, and I can't take development cost out to take care of it.Why not use your advertising budget? Shills and bot shills are a mandatory part of AAA and even big Indie advertising.
>>738927480They've been doing this since the moment Ross started SKG. Literal industry shills on payroll.
>>738927512>Games shouldn't take multiple millions to makeTrue but some games DOES require multiple millions to make
>>738927494You significantly underestimate the evil things people will do if given the tools to succeed.>They already paid for the gameWORNG. They paid for a license, it's in the agreement, that they agreed to. NEXT!>>738927506Uhhh no, most of what you produce, is... nothing. Because the EU is meaningless except for one chip factory.
>>738927526But skg is unreasonable, anon. How about you stop being such a skg fanboy and face reality, go touch grass.
>>738919975>while the blue states hold themselves accountable and actually follow the lawYou are an actual, literal unthinking NPC, holy shit.
>>738927449No, none of that. I just think it's wrong when I'm only offered the ability to buy a "license" for some software instead of just buying the software.
>>738927480It's how misinformation spreads. Wrap a lie (keep servers up forever) around a nugget of truth (keep the game playable post EoL)
We all agree that this skg shit will never fly, wake up its the future, thsi is what games are now.
>>738927518>It's mindbrokenI'm sorry, are you speaking back to the state? Do that again, and you'll be moved from picking beans to the state mandated lead production factory. And NO you will not be getting safety gear, disgusting peasant.
>>738927449Government subsidises electricity and gives free food and food stamps for the poor.The government subsidies corporations even more heavily, so I'm sure your pet Congressmen can find a few thousand to pay for server maintenance costs for you.
>>738927585No. No games actually require millions. If they do, we aren't meant to be making those types of games until the tools improve enough that a handful of people fucking around in a dev environment CAN make them
>>738927562Oh, my advertising budget? Well the Agent favelas comment under every thing I advertise, so I'm just advertising for them to know where to comment negative things to ruin the press of my game more. What a great winning strategy.
>>738927610it said "BUY: [Product name]", would you still buy it when it says: BUY LICENSE: [Product name]??
>>738927659>factorydat shit shut down nigga
You didn't hear this from me, but I have it on good authority that Ross is planning to sneak a clause into the SKG bill to publicly execute anyone non-compliant with the resulting law. Retroactively!
>>738927595The company doesn't offer anything but the license and I think they don't deserve the right to do so. If they want to pretend I have a real option to buy the game itself and not a license, then they have to offer the game itself and not a license. If the only form of the game users are ever able to have otherwise your profits disintegrate is a license, then your game doesn't deserve to exist.
>>738920414The most important part of a land is its people.
>>738927489>furries also run the entire planet's cybersecurity.Great, if invading aliens look like Arirals or the Kilrathi or Kzinti or something, Earth will just be handed over to them in exchange for breeding rights.
>>738927784WRONG, this is what you tell the people. But the true most important part of a land is; do i own it or not?
>>738927727If they want to make a big deal about how consumers are "choosing" licenses then they have to offer something other than the licenses. They don't. Therefore, the current status quo is meaningless and exists only because that's how it existed in the past, not because it's how things should be.
>>738927610I think that you should go make your own software then, it's obvious that you are too scared to take a risk as a consumer on a game, and so you should make your own games. Just make sure it's live service and when it shuts down, I get to take all of your stuff and host my own servers. Thanks!>>738927665>Government subsidies corporations even more heavilyThe US Gov typically redistributes money to corporations to keep up with the inflation of their own spending on dumb shit to make sure those corporations don't end up under water, the assymetric risk that is passed down is on to the poor and anyone with cash savings. Welfare has been a disaster for every country ever.
>>738927702I'm sorry Anon but you're living in a fantasy, the size and time of some games means it will be a million dollar budget to it. Furthermore your post sounds like it's advocating for AI usage
>>738927882hey ross, stop shitposting on 4chan and make another dungeon video. No for real, you did a lot of work, so its time to enjoy some bad old video game now!
>>738920153New York has very strong anti-gerrymandering rules. So does Vermont. I wouldn't be surprised if Cali and Illinois do to.In NY, the referendum being proposed would be to set aside those gerrymandering rules for a single round of midterm redistricting, reverting back to normal for the post-2030 census redistricting. NYS very much doesn't have insane gerrymandering, despite one party having a trifecta who would love nothing more than to gerrymander as safely as they can.
>>738927884I think companies shouldn't have the option to offer a "license" for software at all. If I ever make a game I will sell the game and not a license for it. You'll be able to play it long after I stop supporting it. And I won't be robbed of a cent, because I won't have been expecting to make money off of holding the fucking game hostage.>NO MAKE A LIVE SERVICE SO I CAN STEAL ITEw, no. Why would anyone WANT to make a live service? Those are solely a result of companies trying to crank more money out of the same game design.
>>738922479How many poos Canada imported today?
>new rule in the SKG bill counts microtransactions in F2P titles as a "game purchase">gacha devs seething as they now have to make their games fully playable when servers go down
>>738927721So have your own AI shills shitpost to counter their shitposting. Every other big game does it, and many small ones too, so I'm sure it's in your advertising budget. If it's not, update your marketing team.
>>738918204>Boilerplate procedural vote to move to schedule a session to vote>THIS IS A HUUUUGE WIN!!!!I know you kids know literally nothing about civics (or software dev or copyright for that matter) but this is pathetic
>>738927758>RetroactivelyUbisoft execs will have to flee the EU for a hospitable state like Russia or North Korea.
>>738928101That's already what I'm expecting of the two gachas I play. It'll be nice for it to be the law though.
>>738928189>Ubisoft execs will have to flee the EUUNATCO is global.
>>738928094>If I ever make the game I will sell it and not a licenseNeatAs the first purchaser and now the owner of the software, as opposed to just a license, I am taking my game off the market and instead offering licenses.Thanks for the free IP you dumb bitch
>>738927774>I don't think they have a right to do soThey have a right to do whatever they like. Here's what I don't understand about the SKG people. There are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of games that exist. Gaming is one of the cheapest hobbies in the whole entire world in terms of hours spent for money spent to acquire the said experience. There quite literally is no better conversion on hours to dollars with anything else in this whole entire world. Almost everything else comes at much significant cost to spend your time on for the quality you get. Live service doesn't make up the vast majority of games, let's be very clear here. The model of live-service serves a very specific and important purpose for a very select few games, which is the ability to start a game up for a low cost, and to continually reinvest into it to get more players and offer better experiences over time. Without live-service, these are games that would have to be fairly high priced, the problem is, consumers have only so much apetite to buy high-priced games anymore. So live-service is a really good way, to offer a game, not have to offer continuous sequels, creates a new sector of competition without cannibalizing, and to allow a game to be reinvested into to make new content, and it's honestly a perfect model for some games that can take a bigger risk as opposed to others. It blows my mind that there is such disdain and hate because a few live service games do not work out, and even when they don't work out, there is almost always some counter part game, that you can spend money on. It's also worth noting that MOST live-service games are almost all free in some regard, and can be played FREE. There is only a small few that actually charge.
>>738928336SKG proponents would be seething if they could read this
>>738928303>buying a copy of media is the same as buying the IP of said medialmao
>>738928336>They have a right to do whatever they like.No they don't, consumer rights exist everywhere, even in China of all places.
>>738928303Do you seriously think the only thing stopping you from selling a game you downloaded is that you downloaded it by buying a license?Is that why you think SKG is so lethal to devs?Anon, copyright law isn't being dismantled just because you're expected to sell functional software.
>>738928336I don't know who you think is gonna read all that shit, but I can tell you it ain't me.
>>738928336Fraudsters don't have a right to shit.
>>738928336>Here's what I don't understand>doesn't write what he doesn't understandso what is it you don't understand
>>738928427You didn't say a copy, anon.A copy means a license.You said you were selling the game. The game is intellectual property. You sold the IP to me instead of a license.You're retarded.
>>738928573>A copy means a license.A license to own that particular copy. The seller has no right to come to your house and destroy your copy anytime he pleases.
>>738928219This is an EU lawInternational law is a joke
>>738928303I just purchased the collected set of the Star Wars movies on DVD.Move over Lucas, Disney, this is my IP now.
>>738928336>They have a right to do whatever they like.Clearly not. Revoking access to a purchased game is not within their rights and only happens because literally no one stepped up to call the industry out on it before.>>738928336>There are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of games that exist...>proceeds with a word salad of things that don't turn back to his initial statement.Brother, take a break. Not even you seem to know the point you're trying to make.
>>738928507>Consumer rightsYou'd be surprised to learn how many consumer protections resulted in far higher cost of goods that ruined untold amount of lives, but you would never assume your government would rape you.>>738928520Of course, you're a commie faggot, you can't read.>>738928549I agree, consumers shouldn't act like they actually care about live-service games, they should stop frauding the companies and play single player games offline.>>738928559I mean, why not just play literally any other games? There are metric fuck tons of them.
>>738928508Allow me to make this so clear even you could understand:Software, like a game, is intellectual property.If you literally sell the software that means you are selling the intellectual property and all of the copy and distribution rights that entails.>So how do you sell a game without losing those thingsBy selling a license that allows someone who doesn't own the intellectual property to execute it in a fashion both parties agree to.
>>738928336>They have a right to do whatever they like.No, they don't. They don't have a right to advertise something that flat out isn't in the game, to label a purchase as 1$ when it's actually 100$, or to make money indefinitely off of work they're already finished with.>The model of live-service serves a very specific and important purpose for a very select few games, which is the ability to start a game up for a low cost, and to continually reinvest into it to get more players and offer better experiences over time.Absolutely fucking not. Live service games set up by smaller developers looking to make something low cost represent maybe 1% of that market, the rest is AAA devs having a feeding frenzy over the tiny remaining amount of blood in the water.>Without live-service, these are games that would have to be fairly high pricedWhich should be an indicator that this archetype of game has some fundamental problem. Not that checking in with an auth server is a normal and expected part of gaming.
>>738928631>I won't sell a license >I'll sell a licenseYou know you can just not post, right?
>>738928167>Boilerplate procedural voteIf it didn't pass it would be straight up dead for the rest of the year.https://www.capradio.org/articles/2023/05/16/understanding-how-a-california-bill-dies-without-public-debate/
>>738928746probably because they want to play that one
>>738928631I think they do
Some old as fuck japanese guy just busted into my room and destroyed my SNES and told me somehting about NintendoShop shit and that i have to buy mario lost level there again!! wtf is going on.
>>738928573>a copy means a licenseWhere? I don't remember agreeing to anything when I bought these blurays. I don't remember signing anything. I simply gave the cashier some cash and walked out of the store. Where is this license?Besides, this is semantics and you know it. We both know what original anon meant.
>>738928573>A copy means a license.No. A copy means a copy. A license means you don't have anything, you connect to my servers to look at a copy I tell you is "yours" but I really serve to everyone, and then disconnect when you're done for the day.
>>738928336>They have a right to do whatever they like.Aww, you're actually sofa king we todd ed.
>>738928336>It's also worth noting that MOST live-service games are almost all free in some regard, and can be played FREE.Battlfield? Call of Duty? Helldivers 2, Arc Raiders? Concord, Hyenas, FairGame$ and the rest of the Concordlikes? Only a handful of live service games are free to play, and all the ones that come to mind are backed by big money.
>>738928742>Clearly notAhh yes, everything the government forces you to do is morally intrinsic. You know, we're talking about a big industry here, but I think you're a cock sucking faggot, and I should be able to revoke access to your internet. Let me go tell the government that you're a racist nazi, and that I need to have the right, along with all of my other friends, to take away your internet. It after all is morally aligned for me. Let me make the gov do other shit for me to.>Brother take a break>proceeds to not refute anything in my argumentCommies are so pathetic.
>>738928746>You'd be surprised to learn how many consumer protections resulted in far higher cost of goods that ruined untold amount of lives>Things were better when swill milk killed thousands of children each year! Consumer protection is a scam just worship the jew!
>>738928810>>738928840Trannies ran out of arguments.
>>738928861You get a copy iin both cases, and you need to have a licence to use it.The copy is the data. The licence is the permission to access it. You always buy both.
>>738928746>You'd be surprised to learn how many consumer protections resulted in far higher cost of goods that ruined untold amount of livesAnd I fully expect you to never come up with any proof of this as you continue to have this retarded conversation.>I mean, why not just play literally any other games?Heh, that game you spent money on? Yeah, sorry, we're taking it back. Why don't you play literally any other game. There's so many.
>>738928336Okay but like...how does being able to play the game at EoL affect any of that?
Just the idea of a digital product having an "end of life" in the first place is some Jewish bullshit.
>>738928749>Software, like a game, is intellectual property.With you so far.>If you literally sell the software that means you are selling the intellectual propertyHuh? No. It means I am selling the lines of code that run the game and not a license to connect to a server that runs the actual game.>By selling a license that allows someone who doesn't own the intellectual property to execute it in a fashion both parties agree to.Huh, but I don't want the ability to revoke someone's access to my game. That isn't at all necessary for me to make a profit. I want to sell a REAL COPY, like how music and movies do it, not just a license to look at your copy on my hardware.
>>738928757 >They don't have a right to advertise something that isn't in the gameWow anon, you understand fraud, congrats.>Absolutely fucking not.I'm not seeing a counter to my argument just because you're upset at the size of the scale and possibilities it could be, try again whiny baby.>Which should be an indicatorIt is not, you need to stop believing that you understand the full picture of economics in an industry because it is very clear you do not. Live service games help feed other games, parts of an IP, or companies outright to produce more games, work on the same game, or do a myriad of other things that make your time-investment worth it. That's the whole purpose behind what they do in general. This idea that you just get to do whatever you want goes back to one of my earlier points, if you are not willing to take a risk as a consumer, spend your time accordingly, and adhere to the things you agree to, then it is clear that games are not meant for you to purchase and you should make your own games. You won't, but your entitlement to the labor, blood, sweat, and tears of thousands of people who are greater than you, is disgusting and repulsive.
>>738928991No I don't. When I buy a license I am likely just buying a pass to connect to servers where all of the actual gameplay logic is stored and only a basic engine is kept on my end. When I buy a copy of a game, I buy something that'll work even if the developer goes under. If I can't play the game after the servers go down then I only bought a license, not a copy.
>>738928916>companies stay in business forever when they kill consumersMhmmhmmm, yes, you're so right. You know what would be odd, is if the government got involved to protect those companies from consumers haha, the government would never do that haha... right? hahahah...
Degenerate action, degenerate state. No surprise. They think it should be legal to rape kids.
>>738928832>decisions made in secret by the chair alone or by a handful of legislators in a smoke-filled room can kill a bill despite all the work put into it and despite how popular it isSo this is what they mean by "Democracy dies in darkness".
>>738928573>Uhhh you didn't say copy, anon! Even though that's how physical media's been sold since the dawn of the printing press! You're retarded!Why do I even bother discussing anything on this site
>>738918204That's a start. Commiefornians did something smart for once.
>>738928871>League of legends, genshin impact, nikke, like literally every gacha ever, dota 2, deadlock, counter strike 2, COD WARZONE, warframe, fortnite, valorant, marvel rivals, path of exile, overwatchI mean, we can go on and on for the free ones
>>738928573I don't mind a bit of silly funposting, but ending it off with >You're retarded.makes me think you're actually serious, and therefore actually retarded.
>>738929273Okay, you're just too dumb to understand that offline games are licenced to you, too.
>>738929161>company isn't allowed to commit fraudGood, so you understand SKG's fundamental position, finally.>THINK OF MUH SMALL INDIE LIVE SERVICE DEVS DESPERATE TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THE GAME, IT'S AS SMALL AS THEY COULD MAKE IT>what? Actually list even one? Whiny fucking baby! Look for them yourself!Lmao.>Live service games help feed other games, parts of an IP, or companies outright to produce more games, work on the same game, or do a myriad of other things that make your time-investment worth it.And all of this is done by mega-AAA devs who make infinite money off of any successful release anyway. Indie live service is basically nonexistent, and most indie live services are designed with SKG compliance in mind anyway.
>>738928916>slop shopHistory really does repeat itself
>>738927595>You significantly underestimate the evil things people will do if given the tools to succeed.No, I just fail to see how you should be entitled to be protected from any and all backlash and brigading simply by having a private company. In fact, I think you’re a faggot for thinking that.
>>738921907Hmm, who committed most of those school shootings?
>>738928427>2012Fucking why
>>738929382All put out by megaconglomerate publishers, adding an EoL offline play feature won't break their bank.
Not an American, what does this mean? Will Ross appear before the president? Will Ross BECOME the president? Will he do it before or after he makes the movie?
>>738929498It's just an image I found on Google don't think too hard about it
>>738929017It doesn't. As the guy himself says most live-service games already operate on a free model, to which SKG would have no effect because you never purchase any product. And that's really the core of it. You wanna sell a product, you make sure people can actually use it as a product. If you don't wanna do that, then don't sell it as one, do free-to-play or subscriptions.
>>738929490Schoolkids? Teenagers/young adults?
>>738929427I understand it perfectly well. I don't think it's necessary. I disagree with the premise that games are made healthier in any way by giving companies this amount of control over whether you can play them. I think the concept of selling a license should be re-evaluated as a whole.
>>738918204>ESAPlum?!
>>738929443>So you understand SKGs fundamental positionThere fundamental position is that a company sells a license to play a game and that you agree it's a license and so that's fraud? No wonder SKG is so fucking retarded to support.>Doesn't provide any examplesSad, but expected.>And all of this is because indie live service doesn't existDoesn't exist *YET*. But you don't actually care about the gaming industry, you want the triple A cock in your ass, and mouth, and making you listen up like a good little bitch goy. Suck that pokemon live service game cock when it comes out, bitch. I wanna see you deepthroat all of it
>>738929368No they didn't.
>>738929537almost certainly
>>738929480>entitled to protectionWhy should people be entitled to attack? The benefit is entirely for them, not me. But of course, you're choosing not to understand this on purpose because it would mean you would actually care to understand what goes on in the industry.
>>738929609The fraud is there's a one sided termination clause with no set date.
>>738918204>more government control goodWhy are we celebrating this?
Europeans are my gods. As an American, I feel like a worthless subhuman in a Eurochad's presence...
>>738928746>You'd be surprised to learn how many consumer protections resulted in far higher cost of goods that ruined untold amount of lives,Oh no, those fucking Jews that want to put sawdust in my beef lost their meat packing plants and had to get jobs as lawyers instead?! Fuck I really ruined their life!Also you can quite literally argue this for any business being outcompeted or going under due to rising costs
>>738929427Where's this so called "license" for this offline game? I simply gave the clerk cash, walked out the store, went home and invited some friends over for game night. I don't remember agreeing to any kind of license.
>jews losing for onceThe world is healing.
>>738929749the government should publicly execute larry fink
>>738929609>There fundamental position is thatCompanies have fucked the legal system so hard that they can only sell you "licenses" even to offline singleplayer games, and are using the prevalence of "licenses" as a legal shield for the way they hold a game's functionality hostage behind its continued profitability.SKG says that if you can be sold a license for an offline singleplayer game that will work in perpetuity, all licenses should work in perpetuity.>O-OKAY SO THERE AREN'T ANY INDIE LIVE SERVICE DEVS **YET** BUT MAYBE IF SKG DIES WE COULD GET SOME IN 20 YEARSOR we let live service as a concept die since they're clearly primarily of interest to the biggest developers who can make money on anything.
>>738929732There is no US law that dictates I have to tell you when I end a service or it constitutes as fraud. Try again.
>>738929749all you need is to make your always online game that people can BUY playable offline, that is all you need to doit really isnt that hard
>>738929749Because /v/irgins fail to see how this could backfire because they've been mindraped to oblivion and back. Funny to think at one point in time, 4chan was posting announcements to prevent government overreach in regulating the internet, and now this same place has people welcoming government cock directly in their mouths. Sad times, but guess it goes to show you how this place is really dying or perhaps has been dead longer than one can imagine.
>>738929683>entitled to attack Nigger that’s just freedom of speech. I’m sorry that you’re such a fucking faggot that you can’t handle living in a world where some people will almost certainly hate you and want you to fail. Boo hoo nigga
>>738929936>There is no US law that dictates I have to tell you when I end a service or it constitutes as fraud.There will be soon :)
>>738920721No taxation without representation. Puerto Rico doesn't have taxes so that's fine but DC absolutely deserves to be a state
>>738929781Turns out software is not the same thing as a physical product! Wow!
>>738929749The government doing good things is good and doing bad things is bad
>>738920312Gambling is legal in the US. Watch any sports game and you're bombarded non-stop by gambling ads
>>738929930>all licenses should work in perpetutiyWell actually, as someone in the licensing industry, they should not. But again, your brain is too small to understand>Let live service as a concept dieOR we let it live, and if you don't like live service games, you just play single player games like Code Vein that already come out with sequels every few years. But no, you want government cock in your mouth.
>>738929936I agree actually. That's why SKG focused on europe. In fact the US has ProCD vs Zeidenberg's decision which covers this >>738929781 kind of case. The court ruled that you consented even though you couldn't be reasonably expected to read the license before using the product.
>>738929749>oh no, the government never had the power to decide what can be sold and how until someone asked for consumer rights for video games!
>>738929936That seems like a pretty awful legal oversight, not having to even tell people your service is about to end. Good thing it's going to stop being the case soon!
>>738930109>as someone in the licensing industryDoesn't this just explain everything?
>>738930012>corporations spend over a decade forcing shit no one wants>people support action against thatoy vey this is the worst thing since that attempt to ban sucking baby penis after circumcision which was the worst thing since the holocaust
...why are gamers against SKG worldwide anyway?
>This level of corpo shilling in the thread
>>738922910>it actually isDam, what leftism does to a brain
>>738930150>>738930023>he thinks if this really goes the distance that the supreme court will uphold thislol, lmao even
>>738930109Alright, let me specify:There are some games where my license comes with a product that will work whether or not I have an internet connection and the company who sold me the license still exists. The only part of these games that fails when I don't connect to the internet is player connectivity.I want this to be the standard, and I think that if you are severely threatened by this as the standard for the sale of a game license, you don't deserve to stay afloat as a company.
>>738930206Guarantee if the Indian subcontinent was range banned from 4chan this corpo shilling would stop instantly.
baaaased
>>738918204>Tf2soldierseething.png
>>738929749>gamers: hey game devs can you fix your game we paid for? It doesn't work anymore>game devs: no we killed the game on purpose.>gamers: why? that doesn't seem right>game devs: too bad. You agreed to it and we'll keep doing it. What are you gonna do, not buy the game? lmao>gamers: hmm, this is clearly wrong but we as individuals don't have the power to change such a practice, and it's clear that game devs won't stop doing it because doing so doesn't benefit them. If only there was some kind of collective governing body that represented common public interest who could enforce game devs to comply...
>>738922961This anon gets it, people on here think that by going after gachas, western gaming is suddenly going to be great again. Gachas suck, but people fled to gachas to get away from pozzed western games, lol.
>>738927480first day on /v/ - Vidya Paid Shills?
>>738918204I always love to see the vile enemy Maldavious Figtree is suffering. This brings joy to me.
>>738930012You had a chance to not be a greedy kike until now but you kept pushing with how much you can rape consumers. Since you refuse to listen we are now doing it the legal way.Go fuck yourself.
>>738930175>I am so smart and right, everything these companies do is EVIL and BADSpoken like a true redditor. You know, It was also at one point contemptible to be a redditor here, yet you fish for updoots. Very sad.
>>738928832Yes, that is how schedules work dear
>>738930461>I am so smart and right, everything these companies do is EVIL and BADThis but without a single iota of irony. You lost Shlomo.
>>738930461cope jew and slash or jeet
>>738930238Half right: what that anon is describing is corporatism, cause in actual capitalism no company should ever reach the size of today's multinationals, as it's a system where companies are supposed to fail at some point.America isn't actually a country dominated by capitalsm, but corporatism (what many liberals improperly call "late stage capitalism)
>>738930183It's an industry Trojan horse.
>>738930461>no actual argument
>>738929119>I'm selling the lines of codeThat entails the rights to copy and distribute those lines you fucking moronCode is not a physical object.>I don't want the ability to revoke the licenseThen specify that in the licensing agreement.
>>738930183They aren't, what you're seeing is every country's shill army getting mobilized to defend the status quo.
>>738924141the lightning cable existed years before usb-c althoughbeit
>>738930323>With a product that will work whether I have an internet connection or notAnd I want you to play the game, that I made, as intended, the way I intended for you to play, with the content I chose to put in, with the direction I chose to take it. I don't want you to modify it, I don't want you to pirate it, and I don't want you to redistribute it. I spent thousands of hours, millions of dollars, to bring a high quality epic experience that I hope you, and millions of people will enjoy the way that I want you to, and the only way to ensure that my game is played the way that I ever intended is through a live-service aspect. Do you respect it the same? Would you not buy because I ask of you those things? It's okay if you don't, you can play another game, but those are my conditions, can I ask that of you, as you do for me? If I cannot, then you are in fact, and a spoiled brat, like everyone else here.
>>738929360You should stop since you apparently can't read
>>738930460You had the chance to play single player games that come out every year like SMT, Code Vein, Final Fantasy, but instead you're forcing me to do something I don't want to do because you don't want to accept live service games aren't for you. You are the rapist in this situation, you have no morals.
>>738920690Yes, look at alice softThey were already nearly dead and yet made a gacha, gacha who closed less than 2 years later
>>738930630>I don't want you to modify it, I don't want you to pirate it, and I don't want you to redistribute it.Well too fucking bad. You don't have a say in the matter and you shouldn't have a say in the matter.
>>738930012Yeah. Was always a moderated shithole, but after pol came it was politician worship.Govt is not good. If you watch youtubers you are a bad person. The Division is great. Stop killing freedom.
I hope you get everything you asked for and nothing you wanted.
>>738930591>I need to respond with an actual argument to someone whose implying a white man is a jewStatements and sentences have meanings, you know
>>738921027Puerto Rico has literally voted against being a state ar every opportunity. They dont want the responsibilities and obligations of a state.
>>738923402>Make voting fairerLol, they didn't even follow the Virginia constitution. Liberals tried to run it through quickly as possible, and hoped nobody would notice.
>>738930604>That entails the rights to copy and distribute those linesNo. I hold the copyright to that code, what I sold you was a copy of it. Your ability to sell products containing that code is still zero.>Then specify that in the licensing agreement.A game's licensing agreement should not be implicitly temporary.
>>738930671>t. the raped
>>738930671I'm going to be raping your asshole every time you try to release a game in the EU. I will be reminding you that if you dont make the game playable offline I will be suing you.
>>738930729>"white" manthat's White man to you jeweet
>>738930630>And I want you to play the game, that I made, as intended, the way I intended for you to play, with the content I chose to put in, with the direction I chose to take it.Wow, that sounds like complete fucking ass. I don't want any dev to be able to maintain that kind of control over their game, that'd be like an author being able to ban people from having certain types of interpretation of their book.
>>738930703That's okay, in the future you'll be renting compute and you won't be able to do any of that, and god I can't wait for that day.
>>738930921>StrawmanYou could just say it's complete ass and you don't want to play it. Which is fine, there's a lot of single player offline games out there. Have fun with those and stop being an entitled spoiled brat.
>>738919047it becomes an online safety act tier overreach and you will need to tie your real ID to your steam profile
>>738929278Those milk companies stayed in business for years because there were no alternatives. Thats what you dumb jew fucks never realize, monopolies hurt consumers.
>>738930942he will be renting compute saar?what if he be getting compute from job?
>>738930630And some companies wanted to be able to sell lead-based painted toys to children. Luckily, that's where those pesky "consumer protection laws"came in.You don't get to do everything you want in a lawful and ordered society.
>Discussions about gachas, who are F2P and therefore not affected by SKG proposals.Once again, corpo shills out themselves as having no idea of what they are talking about.
>>738930942Just because you didn't censor god doesn't make you any less of a Jew. The idea of closed versus open source will likely erode first, with how easy decompilation is becoming.
What does the european speedrunner assembly have against skg and why are they fighting in california?
>>738919975>blue states hold themselves accountable and actually follow the lawVirgina just got their gerrymandering tossed out specifically because they didn't follow the law you dumb fucking faggot.
>commiefornia>eu>skg>redditit's all coming together sisters, soon we will make gaming a liberal utopia
>>738931057They're not wrong. You cant buy and own a f2p game>b-but I spent money on it!Irrelevant
>>738930997Nope. No dev deserves to maintain control over their game indefinitely. Modding is an objective good and any position that claims otherwise is less than worthless. It's not "being a spoiled brat" to know that any dev that wants this amount of control is up to something shady.
>>738931067nah he fucked up even basic grammar there, he's just a streetshitter
>>738928101I doubt the law is retroactive to games that are already released.
>>738930731This, Puerto Rican voters have shot down every time they tried to make it a state.
>>738929936It's true, your consitution doesn't say that corpos can't rape you over and over and over until you look like a glazed donut.Land of the homefree of the brave
>>738931057>It's just PAID for live service games anon, not free ones!>Well I bought some skins, I paid for things in the FREE live-service game, I think I should be able to own it>Well I bought the game that has the engine, it should be open sourced for everyone to use!When does it end?
>>738931245>it should be open sourced for everyone to use!This but without a single hint of irony for every piece of software.
>>738927224Welcome to Federalism in a federal republic.
>>738927449Keyneskeks have yet to refute HayekGODs even with his flimsy epistemology
>>738930942>you'll be renting computeMy god, you're seething about people playing your hypothetical game wrong while you're this heinously ESL? Are you genuinely Indian?
>>738931040And luckily none of that matters because of tort law and the regulations are almost entirely useless except for some regulations that get put in and hurt consumers significantly. But again, you choose to ignore what happens when things go wrong, oblivious to the world beyond your government safety bubble.
>>738931245>>738931057samefag
>>738931245>Well I bought the game that has the engine, it should be open sourced for everyone to use!Yeah, that sounds about right. If your engine alone is what's making money and not your specific use of it, you shouldn't be able to hold your engine hostage behind your shitty fucking game.
>>738931186No consumer deserves control over my game. But again, you've outed yourself, like many others, as an entitled spoiled brat. Of course you don't produce anything of value from yourself, because you're a worthless human. When you commit suicide, send something nice to your mother, she'll at least want to know that you know she tried to raise a good son and it'll make it easy for her to move on
this thread gets 500 replies and I get banned for offtopic for the same thingkill yourself janny
>>738929490Indirectly? The Jews. Directly? Mentally ill second-hander whim worshipping faggots who take out their failures on others. At no point is it the fault of the gun, for it is a tool. It is not a being capable of contemplating morality, ergo it is a category error to apply moral standards to guns.
>>738931245>When does it end?When devs own nothing and I am happy.
>>738931346>well actually consumer protection laws have never done anything, go back to eating the poisonous byproducts alreadyShalom.
>>738918784>implying they will stop selling to 20% of global gdp
>>738929572Liberal doesn't give an honest sincere reply, who would have thunk it.
>>738931425>No consumer deserves control over my game.You don't have a say in the matter. Once it's released to the public it's no longer yours.
>>738929749Niggas here have never read Rothbard or Hoppe and immediately assume IP law is natural and not a state granted monopoly.
>>738931441bloddy janny bhenchod, he was gived 50 rupees to shut it down but he didnt...
>>738931245F2P are services and follow their laws, there is no grey area unlike paid games.
>>738927480>As I argued, I came to know their ways. They depended upon the ignorance of their opponents; if they failed that way, they themselves pretended stupidity. Sometimes they would succumb to my arguments, before witnesses, only to deny this at the next moment when the witnesses were gone. They never remembered a defeat in an argument from one day to the next. Often I was paralyzed. I did not know which to admire the more, their fluency or their more startling lies.
i think the most depressing thing about the discussion is how many people pretend not to understand points or argue semantics of what should be a really simple concept
>>738931425>No consumer deserves control over my game.Play is control. If you don't want your consumers to have any say in your product, make a movie or a TV show instead. Selling code and then having a fit when people treat it as code isn't how this works.
>>738931513Well when you're out in the public, I can just rape you, right? You'd probably like it, cause you're a commie faggot, but I can just rape you however I'd like, since you're out in the public, right? I can modify your ugly face and chop off your tiny cock, right? Since you're out in public, you know
>>738931538There is no grey area in paid licenses either. You got a license, and the game died. What's so hard about that?
>>738931582>you not playing the game I released the way I want is equivalent to me raping youTake your meds Rajesh.
>>738931582Rajeesh having a full melty over reality. You don't dictate what people do, think or say about something you made.
>>738931450This anon gets it.
>>738931652"Game license" is something that the industry came up with, it doesn't exist and it's not regulated.
>>738931652The part where it died. I paid for it, my money didn't come back when it died, so I deserve to keep it.>butPlenty of other games let me keep them no matter what happens to the devs. All games should be like this. Yes, 100%.
>>738931652I bought a game.
>>738931659Very interesting how your moral consistency recoils so fast, it's almost like what you're suggesting is quite immoral.
>>738930758>What I sold you was a copyThat entails a license agreement specifying those termsWhat about this is too hard for your pea brain to understand?Software is IP. A recipe. A thought.You can sell the ownership of the IP or you can license itThose are your options.
>>738931732>it's morally inconsistent for you to want control over a product I willingly released if you don't want to give up control over your physical bodyIf you can't stand the idea of people playing your game, don't release it.
>>738931732>it's almost like what you're suggesting is quite immoral.Saying "this game is shit" and then modifying it is immoral? The Jeet mind really is something.
>>738929936What service? Gsmes are a product.
>>738918204>california>buffy
>>738930206Just scanned through the thread, the anti consumer freedom shills are using every buzzword, divide and conquer and well poisoning tactic possible. They are afraid of freedom.>>738926878>>738919047It should also be noted that the SKG bill has now successfully passed in 3 separate committees. Even better, while the votes are mainly party line with liberals supporting and conservatives against, there were some cross cover conservatives voting in favor of the bill, so unless some super corrupt shit goes on, the prospects of California passing a SKG law looks good.
>>738931582can you tell shlomo to hire a paki next timepakis are much better with rape than you guys
>>738931512I'm 100% correct, so you're the one responding insincerely.
>>738931747Then I want all "licenses" for all consumer use of all software to be indefinite. That the situation is currently anywhere else is appalling.Selling me something as a one time purchase that will disappear eventually is objectively bad.
>>738931710>I didn't get my money backOh, well that's too bad. Don't buy my next game and tell people not to support my company, I let you down. Next!
>>738931893No, I think I'll modify your game to allow me to keep playing instead. Next!
>>738931893That's called a scam, people go to jail for it.>b-but I told you!Doesn't matter, still a scam, get fucked
>>738931818They're actually a service, if you check your agreement it says the game is a service. Hope this helps!>>738931841>If anyone is against government cock in their ass they must be a shill!!!Embarrassing.
>>738931965
>>738931965Services are things that someone else needs to continuously work to provide. Your game functions with no continuous work. Your game is only legally a "service" and this abuse of the legal system is being dismantled as we speak. Thank you for your understanding!
>>738931961>A scam is when you don't support a company anymore after their game shut down.To be fair, most companies would refund you on principle alone or let you buy another one of their games, but of course, companies all bad and evil.You should want this free market concept. It's way better than what you want.
>>738918784It's not about live service games. It's about every game.Just don't kill the game at the end just because you can.
>>738931965>They're actually a serviceThen piracy isn't a crime, thank you for clearing that up!
>>738932075>most companies would refund you on principleThey've already proven they won't. They think they're entitled to make money forever for putting out one decent IP and attaching a few devs it doesn't need to make more cosmetics once in awhile. This is abhorrent. I want it over. Anyone with taste does.
>>738932038Ahh yes! That's right, after I pay my restaraunt tab, the waiters come and follow me around, and wipe my ass when I shit, and the owner licks my asshole after. You see it's only a service while the owner is licking my asshole. Sorry I misunderstood! I think the same is true for my blender, and everything else. This definitely doesn't backfire on economic concepts alone! Thanks anon!
>>738932075Did you misunderstood on purpose or are you just that retarded?
>>738923394Follow the shill playbook and flood the threads with CP obviously. Is this your first day rookie? This is a joke don't ban me mods
>>738931841Libtards claim to be all about freedom, we need bigger government, and more government control, we need more laws.
>>738932112>Stealing your creation isn't a crimeHmmm, I wonder if I should keep creating... I wonder if... an old empire collapsed for this very reason...
>>738932161>first rape fantasies >now shit eatingNot beating the Jeet allegations.
>>738932161>his argument: corporations are gods>his two chosen analogies: rape and shit eating>his language mastery: ESLIndian confirmed. No doubt in my mind.
>>738931893Oh well, you're going to jail :)
>>738932161>fantasizing about poopyseriously, 0/5 stars, tell shlomo to get me a paki
>>738932219>playing this game the wrong way is equivalent to stealing from me>why don't you care that I'm being stolen from???Because you call everything you dislike theft. Thanks for asking.
>>738932210>>738931965>Having even an ounce of consumer freedom at the expense of globalist corporations... IS JUST BAD OKAY?
>>738932219Not a product, you said it yourself, so I can't steal anything, just offering a service very similar to yours.Or are you saying that if someone offers a service, nobody else can offer it? Cause there is nowhere in the world where it works like that.>b-but muh IP...As long as it's freely distributed, it's no more illegal than fanart, fanfics or any other unofficial content made by said IP.
>>738932393>Having the government control every aspects of our lives is just better.....mmkay.
>>738932150See, the problem is, you want your cake and eat it too. You have to pick with what you're going trade off. You either want a live service game that's going to be incentivized to create content and hopefully be good for many years to come and be maintained. That might cost 10s of millions of more dollars, that might cost hundreds of millions. You have to remember, these companies aren't just putting out games anymore, they're full IPs. They have TV shows, movies, books, merchandise, a bunch of things they want to make. And ideally a company is very good at that, and here's the thing. I've said it multiple times in this thread, you're not gonna hurt a big company that is already good with this. What you're going to hurt is a small company that wants to do this, but they can't quite get the magic in their fingers yet. That's who you're going to hurt more than anything, and an unfortunate casualty might be one or 2 bigger companies, and then maybe 1 company that deserves it that is already failing anyway. You really should not want to live in the world where it's only the corps who win, what you might think is a good idea now, is not a good idea. But entitlement after spending millions of dollars for a game you put 500 hours into, is insane, and should not exist. Whether it's 5 years, 10 years, or 20 years. It simply shouldn't exist, and you should want to keep the government out.
>>738932547>i can't scam people... the west has fallen...go to the shitting street nowi can smell you
>>738932547>Slippery slope >I should be allowed to scam people! ItsAfraid.gif
>>738932534>He actually thinks his argument holds up if he just uses mental gymnasticsMorally, theft is wrong. Product wise, or service wise. End of discussion.
>>738932547>Some nutcase is about to shoot up the store you're in>Cops arrest/kill him before he kills you>FUCKING GUBMENT DECIDING WHEN I GET TO LIVE OR DIE!That's how you sound.
>>738932547Nope, just working as a check for greedy companies, I can support SKG and still oppose other laws made to control too much of our lives.Meanwhile you are so mindbroken you are convinced there is only the binary choice between being fucked by the corporations or being fucked by the government.
>>738932694>No counterargumentsConcession accepted.
>>738932547>having a publisher steal money from you is good... mmkay
>>738932694Piracy is not theft.
>>738932840>He doesn't want to argue why theft is morally rightThank you anon, I accept your concession.
>>738932547If you are a game dev, yes. You shouldn't be allowed to breath without asking the government for permission first. Corporations and devs shouldn't have any rights whatsoever.
>>738932778>I'm hurting the corporations that already have gajillions of dollars! See, I'm stopping their control!!!SKG goys really are the bottom of the barrel.
>>738932547kek, gonna be calling us all communists next?
>>738932637>liberal democrats, Minneapolis day care scams >nothing to see here Libearal suddenly pretending to care about people being scammed
>>738932998im gonna crack open a libearal and play some tf2you're gonna shit in the street
>>738932973Nah I wouldn't do that, but I will call you a faggot, are you happy now?
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>>738932864It actually is, but we are in such moral decline.
>>738933242i WOULD download a car!
>>738933242>theft removes original object from its rightful owner to another>privacy makes copies of files, leaving originals intactDo you see how one is different from the other?
>>738933125Man you sure are obsessed with people sitting on the streets. Is this that common in California were you live?
>>738933341Well you see, it actually robs the creator of their right to distribution, which is theft. Do you see how this is theft? Of course it is, because it's theft, and you know it. But you've never made anything valuable in your life cause you're worthless.
>>738932889? That wasn't our argument though.Changing your goalpost means you lost, anyone could see that, are you that incompetent?
>>738933431yeah there's a lot of indians shitting in the street there
>>738933165sure am you double nigger
>>738933489That is literally the core principle of the argument.
>>738933479>it actually robs the creator of their right to distribution, which is theft. Robbery implies violent confrontation.
>>738932569>You have to pick with what you're going trade off. You either want a live service gameI don't want a live service game. The only place I want live services is if the game HAS to be multiplayer.
>>738933479I open a hot dog stand.After a while, another guy open another hot dog stand, right across the street.According to you, what that other guy is doing is theft.
>>738933479you didnt lose anything, piracy isnt a lost sale you retarded motherfucker
>>738933479>it actually robsNot how the word works.
>>738933505Dam I'm sorry man, I've always heard that place was a shithole, but I didn't think it was literally a shithole. You have my condolences.
>>738933548>>738933562Another persons right to distribution does not infringe on my right to distribute, provided their distribution does not constitute robbing my property in order to do so. You also reach the condition of forcefully breaching my distribution, which is violent in nature.>>738933585See above.>>738933550Okay, so you can go play a single player game or you can accept that your corporate overlords are the ones that win.
>>738933691San Fransisco is specifically that way, and not because of Indians.
>>738933639>If I just pretend to be stupid, piracy won't be theft!
>>738933712>robbing my propertyYou are once again misusing this word. You can't use words abritrarily when it comes to the law. No one has robbed you. No one has even been in the same room as you.
>>738933542Nope, morality is something you involved at the last second when you couldn't see how to win, the original argument was how games are classified, wheter as a product or as a service.You kept arguing it was a service, and I proved to you that this would mean piracy would be legal.Obviously the real answer is that they should be a product, but if they are then they should also follow the rules about how product are meant to be sold and used, which among other things forbid planned obsolescence (which what making the access of a single player game depend on an otherwise useless server that could be shut down at any moment would fall into).
>>738933691yeah its okay though the pakis murder them whenever there's a cricket match
