SMT 1 > Persona 1SMT 2 < Persona 2SMT 3 > Persona 3SMT 4 < Persona 4SMT 5 > Persona 5>SMT 6 < Persona 6
Persona started at 3
>>738922535that was devil may cry
>>738922570that was nocturne
>>738922535GTA started at 3
SMT 1 > Persona 1SMT 2 > Persona 2SMT 3 > Persona 3SMT 4 > Persona 4SMT 5 > Persona 5It's simply because Persona is drama bullshit with below average gameplay. It's like personafags don't want to fight and fuse demons.
am I the only one who thought persona 3 was harder than nocturne?
>>738923243It's only like that from 3 onward and you'd know that if you weren't a secondary poser.
>>738923324No but vanilla persona 4 on PS2 was definitely harder than SMTIV
>>738922452Persona sucksSMT V > IV > III > II > Ican't wait for VI, hope it's a return to cyberpunk shit
>>738923324Probably. You gotta play like a real retard to have a hard time in P3, short of the random hp sponge tartarus boss or the reaper they want you to run away from
>>738923324Nocturnes difficulty is overblownIt's literally just "are you (de)buffing or not" binary. A bit hyperbolic but you get what I'm saying .That being said P3 isn't particularly hard, either, if anything I found Shadow Yukino in non-Golden P4 to be harder than anything in Nocturne or 3. What the fuck were they THINKING?!
>>738922535SMT died after Nocturne.
>>738923821unc alert
>>738923802shadow yukiko in vanilla 4 filtered many people, especially since it's so early in the game
>>738923884Imagine how kino P4Re would be if they kept the vanilla difficulty as opposed to Golden.
>>738922535persoyna started with 3
>>738923667I played Persona 1 back when it was released, and it was so gay that I stopped after the school/hospital starting area.
>>738924164but black mark is awesome
Nocturne is the shittest JRPG ive ever played. What do you fuckers see in this trash??
>>738922452I like SMT and Persona.
>>738924650You need to be heterosexual to get it.
Tried getting into SMT V, but everything just looks kinda ugly full of shades of orange/brown/grey with character models being overly stiff. I'd rather have them make a 2d game, but it is what it is.
>>738924820character models of human characters*
if... remake when
>>738922452>SMT 5 over P5I loved the last SMT, yet you can't deny they really nailed it with Persona 5, endless money-grubbing and fanservice pandering spinoffs nonwithstanding>>738922535FPWPPersona started with SMT If... you scrub
>>738924910>If... Remake>Charlie, Yumi, and Reiko's routes are all homogenized into this off-kilter Persona-lite>Akira's route remains entirely unchangedThat's how I woulda done it.
>>738925019p5 is the worst nusona (not including royal content)
>>738923324I had a harder time with persona 3 because it was my first megaten game and I didn't understand the systems fully. The difficulty spike in the second block almost made me stop playing. Sleeping table mini boss was pretty much oneshoting me until I grinded for a bit. The only fights in nocturne that gave me some trouble were matador (obviously) and the first dante fight. You have a lot more freedom in nocturne and when you figure out how fusion works you can steamroll through the game
>>738925148But similarly, if you play Persona 3 with understanding of its mechanics it is one of the easiest games in the franchise. It's only not understanding that makes P3 hard. Perhaps it's appropriate that knowledge is the ultimate power in Megaten
Playing SMTV for the first time right now and it's just so easy, it has more QOL and casualization than the average persona game
>>738925116>(not including royal content)That's how i know you're a pussy just memeing and you actually loved it, otherwise you'd also include that unnecesary extension with extra dose of anime that was RoyalEvery time Atlus does a remaster/remake, something goes wrong and you know it
If you played 1-2 megaten games every single other one gets very easy after the beginning during which you just don't have much options. Outside of devil survivor maybe
Whatever nerdshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t14ooprd3ZI
>>738925354p5 is only good after november 20th
>>738925102my ideal if.. remake would be a roguelike
>>738925316>one of the easiest games in the franchise.Is it? I'd imagine that not having the ability to control the part members would still hinder me but idk it's been years since I played it. >>738925428I'm playing smt VV for the first time and I just beat the hydra boss. I've heard people crying about it but it took me like 3 attempts (one of them ended due to it somehow getting 4 crits in a row). Does this game get harder, this is the first game that feels like it broke that rule for me. Devil survivor filtered me hard, I couldn't figure it out
>>738925316It's only because of how lopsided the battle gimmick is. The enemy is never going to all out or one more you for the whole fight like you can. Even when you know everything press turn still goes both ways, limited only by what other tools the enemy has to utilize it. I dread the day mainline comes up with a new battle gimmick because the game will undoubtedly be much more boring without it.
>>738925765Didn't play vengeance yet, but SMT V was quite easy for me.
>>738922452> SMT 4 < Persona 4Actually buy a rope and kill yourself, tastelet.
>>738925765Base 5's horrendous level scaling made him much harder unless you grinded a lot. V toned it down a lot so his numbers are a lot more bearable at when you'd naturally get to him.
>>738925352I've never understood using QoL to imply SMTV is bad. It just lets you get to the fun part of demon fusion without any of the old headaches.
>>738925765I think V's about the same as Nocturne. You get really powerful tools, but the enemies also will fuck you over if they get a chance. You get even better tools than Nocturne, but enemies get even nastier tricks so it evens out. You won't get ambushed so often since there aren't regular random encounters, but enemy advantage will be just as disastrous.
>>738922452There isn't a single persona game worth playing,
>>738925978He's right though>>738925765>Devil Survivor filtered me hard, I couldn't figure it outI guess if you're not used to tactical RPG you're gonna have a bad time. Stll you should try it again later, it's worth itDevil Survivor 2 felt like a downgrafde imo, both in game and plot
>>738926281>He's right though SMT4 and Persona 4 are both phenomenal games but SMT4 is superior in terms of gameplay, music and setting.
>>738922452shit taste
>>738926003I've beaten both V and VV like 3 times each and I don't think that's true at all. I mean the aggressive level scaling is true and VV is way better about it but it doesn't particularly play into Hydra fight. The reason Hydra is easier in VV is because you have access to better ice demons and damage abillities, Nyami Nyami in particular fucks Hydra up, especially paired up with Mermaid who now has Pandemonic Feast increasing the number of hits on Stormcaller. The actual strategy for Hydra didn't change, using Sleep and Fire Dampers to lock him down and burst him to death.
>>738922452Is there even a finished translation for any version of SMT II?Last time I played only the Law route was translated.
>>738926359I don't think it's superior in any of those fields, and I'm an SMTfag.
>>738925978SMT 4 is dogshit after minotaur
>>738926359They're both shit but SMT4 is worse, because unlike P4 it should have been good but disappointed.
How would you add more layers or nuance to Persona/SMTs combat to where it isn't trivialized by >"give your party +3 buffs, give enemy -3 debuffs, rape until buffs/debuffs are blinking, repeat step 1 and 2"This doesn't even stop at atlus games, a lot of 4 niggas in a row vs god games play like this.Bump
>>738922452>SMT 2 < Persona 2Fuck no! I love P2 and all, but it sure as hell isn't better than SMT2.
>>738926785dekaja/kunda fix this, they purposely don't give them out to most bosses to make them easier, to say nothing of random mobs who never have them at all
>>738924650You literally played it too late
>>738925978SMTIV is only better than P4 if it includes IVA as that actually fixes the janky combat system and makes it the best the franchise has ever had.By that same measure I'd include the P4 spinoffs but none of them jump a game like IVA does for IV. I did like Q quite a bit though for what it's worth (that presumably counts as a P4 spinoff rather than P3).
>>738927021Lots of bosses have the skill but either theyre too stupid to use it, or you can easily manipulate their boss AI by purposefully making them do it/keeping them at -2 instead of 3 so they never use it. I hate how dumb atlus bosses are sometimes kek
>>738926281I will play it eventually, it was the only TRPG I've played so it didn't help
>>738926785Either go open movement combat like Kingdom Hearts or Neo TWEWY, or adding new enemy placement for normal battles like>surrounding is more common>enemies could be below or over you, hidden>backstabs hits you 2x damage>enemies can call for backups (or if they did already, the calling rate increaases)>enemies can perform team attacks
>>738926397I didn't use dampeners at all (I guess I got lucky). I had that chick heal everyone, dameon to buff attacks after she died, azumi and mermaid to deal damage and MC to exploit weaknesses and to throw healing items. Hydra used fire move like 2-3 times in the entire fight
>>738922452>SMT 4 < Persona 4This is wrong.
>>738922452>SMT 2 < Persona 2SMT2 is awesome and Innocent Sin is one of the worst MegaTen games.
>>738926397I just think Knowledge of Tools is too damn strong. They shoved it back and upped the price in Vengeance and it still doesn't change that it splits the game open when you have items like Dampeners available and can toss out soulstones alongside it.I don't know how to balance it outside of going back to the SMTIV style of it being split into categories and having to take up a slot on a demon. Maybe split them up into more categories, honestly.
>>738927280I like to throw Fire Damper every other turn. He tends to alternate. You also get two good consistent casts of Dormima on him before immunity gets too strong, although it might be better to save that for his second phase since Frenzy is his most dangerous attack.
>>738927707Personally, when I replay the game I don't ever get it. It makes the game more fun.
>>738927280Dampers are just a crutch to let you avoid using your brain to guard. If they were all unbuyable like phys ones you'd have to actually learn to fight without them, but of course almost no bosses ever use phys hits on their free crit turn so you never even have to learn that much.
>>738923821SMTVV is the best rpg ever made.
>>738928020mogged by the last remnant
>>738928286Literally who?
SMTVV Sempiternal > SMTVV SMT > persona in all casespersona is for women and japanese boys.
>>738928397and SMT V is for japanese boys who want to become a woman
>>738928459its called trapanese
>>738922452HELL NOSMT 2 is way better than P2.Fuck Atlus for not re-releasing 1, 2 and If...These games are amazing and they deserve better
>>738922452Persona started at 3the T stands in SMT stands for Tranny btw
how can OP have such dogshit taste
Pokemon > smt
>>738929049It's honestly so bizarre they've never hit the remake or remaster button on SMT 1 and 2 officially in English outside of those fucking iOS ports from a while back.
>>738923324>persona 3 was harder than nocturneNever played Nocturne, but I played P3P on PSP (as male MC, currently playing it on Switch 2 as feMC), and I don't remember having any problems aside from the final fight which took a while.
>>738929727agreed;i would buy that shit immediately.
>>738929727>English SMT 1/2 still stuck on iOS>accurate English P1 still stuck on PSP>less than 0 news about bringing those to modern consoles when people would actually even pay for themGenuinely what the fuck is Atlus thinking? Is it unironic hatred of money, or do they just not care about anything that's not nuPersona?
>>738929789In Vanilla P3 and P3FES you couldn't control your teammates making it harder, unless you used the tactics options.
