>indian name
>indian katar weapon
pls redeem

BRETONNIA REWORK?
VAMPIRE COUNTS REWORK?
TOMB KING REWORK?
NO!!! CATHAY SHIT AGAIN!!!

>>738925832
i was introduced to katars by ragnarok online and assumed they were norse weapons

>>738925887
Tomb Kings and Vamp Counts are getting stuff with the End Times DLC when Skeleton Jesus returns. The Tiger DLC is just (bad) filler.
It's more disgusting that one of the big End Times DLC lords is a fucking meme character.

>>738926067
why would they be norse weapons when assassins live in the desert?

Nothing east of Kislev should have ever been in the game. Nobody cares about background factions that got offscreened by Skaven.

>>738925832
You'd be surprised that china also practices buddhism.

>>738925703
Its a bit lame for how long it took desu

>>738925887
I just want to be able to dismount my knights for sieges...

>>738926195
cathay is like one of the most popular factions thoughbeit

>>738926195
cathay loses to skaven?

>>738925703
I want to have femdom sex with her.

>>738926312
in the end times it got destroyed by chaos dwarves, chaos and greenskins. Everything else that was left was finished off by skaven. But GW is retconning most of that now I guess.

>>738926312
Yep
The End Times were very well thought out like that

>>738926420
I thought greenskins were good guys in the end times

>>738926486
it was a complete clusterfuck. Basically Grimgor sets off a massive WAAAGH and just completely bulldozes everything eastward, and when he ran out of enemies to fight, he marched back west and became an incarnate or avatar of gork or something and fights archaon and gets krumped.

>>738926275
because of chinks and powergamers.

>>738926486
You must be confusing it with Grimgor btfo'ing Ack-eon, but GW retconned that entire campaign pretty much immediately, long before the actual End Times happened.

>>738925703
No thanquol, no buy. Simple as.

>>738926420
>>738926443
what exactly are the end times?
i only vaguely know warhammer from playing tww123
does the world warhammer takes place on just end via some apocalypse event? how do orcs and humans get to space for 40k, which i also know nothing about

>>738926648
Honestly a post-apocalyptic total greenskinned world would be more interesting than chaos popfing the multiverse.

>>738926759
A little too obvious there anon

>>738926759
Once upon a time there was a tabletop game called Warhammer Fantasy Battle. It had an overarching storyline. Eventually GW decided to wrap things up so they could reboot the game as what would become Age of Sigmar. The final series of events in the storyline were called "The End Times". In it everybody jobs to Archeon and the Skaven and the world (not the physical planet, the world itself) gets destroyed, but at the last moment some gods on the Order side manage to reboot it. That rebooted world becomes AoS.
>how do orcs and humans get to space for 40k
40k has nothing to do with WFB or AoS, not anymore

>>738926759
it's a culmination of events but the basic gist is that archaon becomes the final Everchosen and then the chaos gods recognize him as someone special and they finally stop playing around and decide to end the world forever so that a new world can take its place and the cycle begins a new.
During the events, the entire world becomes a massive free for all where it's the forces of order vs destruction vs chaos. In the far western theater, you have the dark elves finally conquering ulthuan, but not before it sinks, forcing the survivors to flee to the mainland. The new world is destroyed by skaven as they explode the moon morrslieb causing its pieces to fall upon the planet, but not before Lord kroak dies a final time to prevent most of the meteorites from hitting. In the end, the lizardmen escape the planet via spaceships. In the east, everything is destroyed by skaven and greenskins. But the bulk of the fighting is in the heart of the Empire of man where the forces of Chaos pour through from the chaos wastes. Also, Nagash finally gets revived and also assembles all the remaining undead armies against both chaos and order.

Suffice to say, everybody fucking dies and the world blows up.

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>>738927149
thanks for the qrd

>>738927013
>>738927149
>the bad guys canonically win
Thats fucked up.
But then i guess its the only way to end the universe. If the good guys kept winning nothing would change

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>>738927149
>Nagash finally gets revived and also assembles all the remaining undead armies against both chaos
>and order
...Isn't Nagash the Incarnate of Shyish?
You're thinking about Mannlet, not Nagash.
Him and most of his Mortachs join Order until the very end.

>>738926759
Going behind tbe scenes from the lore-posts;
>Warhammer Fantasy was a terribly mismanaged game that GW couldn't figure out how to make profitable
>They opt to just wipe the slate and make a new setting with a few pieces picked out
>To facilitate this, 99% of Fantasy's cast dies, often in underwhelming, stupid, or downright insulting ways
>Less than a dozen characters survive (outside of Chaos champs) and go on to the new setting as big deal Gods to sell big deal models
>This entire process was obscenely rushed and pissed many people off, especially since the enw setting was blatantly unfinished and not ready for release
End Times is the dreaded bogeyman of Warhammer since the writing for it was genuinely suicidal. It was perhaps the single worst decision GW ever made except from the business standpoint, and even then it took years for them to fix AoS.

>>738927447
it's not just that the bad guys win but most of the good and well some fan favorite characters as well, both good and evil, get some really awful and unceremonious deaths designed to piss you off, on top of with really nasty character assassinations, both figuratively and literally, because characters they literally can't be bothered to write in just get handwaved as being assassinated by skaven.

>>738927708
That was after Skaven blew up his pyramid and made him realize that he needs to join Order if he wants to rule the world. But before that, he and his cronies royally fucked up Bretonnia.

>>738927149
>the lizardmen escape the planet via spaceships
So those fucking lizzas just leave instead of helping?

>>738927834
Oh, right.
Thanks, anon.

>>738927857
the great plan willed it so. No point in helping out a world doomed to its fate.

>>738927857
The Plan went wrong, leaving was the back-up Plan all along.
To be fair (unfortunately), most of them don't make it far.

>>738927447
Bad guys dont even win in a cool way. The big pussy Manfred stabs Balthesar while he fucking with magic and it nukes the world.

>>738927762
>thorgrim gets killed by an assassin because he forgot to close the door

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>>738925703
More TWW content is always nice, but I'm going to be upsetti if the pack is $15.

>>738927914
>>738927926
Lame, they should have been ride and die.

>>738927753
Its good somebody said the franchise was mismanaged and not a "bad seller". Even in endtimes they had guys writing lore that didnt know fantasy and were instead 40k writers. For example the Dark Elves stopped worshipping chaos.

>>738928003
it's 5 dollars. It's a new model they're testing for filling up gaps in the map and faction rosters I guess.

>>738925887
>BRETONNIA REWORK?
I was asking for it since game 2.
>VAMPIRE COUNTS REWORK?
Definitively with Nagash + hopefully with some big roster expansion (hoping specifically for Abyssal Nightmares and Coven Throne).
>TOMB KING REWORK?
Hopefully also with Nagash and luckily they are getting content expansion (including FINALLY Heralds being turned from ancillaries into the heroes they were in tabletop and the Khemric Titan going to cause some mayhem).
>NO!!! CATHAY SHIT AGAIN!!!
Hoping Kislev will get something later.

>>738928003
It will be 9,99 if I remember from the stream.

>>738928003
>>738928127
Or was it 4,99? Hopefully the latter.

>>738928184
it's 5 dollars because it's only a single lord, and a few units.

The one arguably good thing about the End Times is the neferata and khalida yuri end where they hold hands watching the world fade.

>>738928214
Thanks for the info bro.

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>>738928267
That got retconned, Neferata's once again drafted into Nagash's army of infinite bureaucracy.

>>738927447
Chaos wins because Manfred went full retard at the most crucial moment, betrays Order and everything just crashes.

Thanks to that shit Age of Failmar happens and that setting is gonna get End times or some weird reboot too.

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>>738926089
Which lords have been confirmed so far? Nagash, Boris and Neferata? Are there any more coming?

>>738929639
why did mannfred stab gelt anyway

>>738930339
sick of hearing about 'nam

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>>738930339
For the same reasong Throgrim forgot to lock his door and got shanked by a skaven assassin.
The plot needs to happen so every character loses 50IQ

>>738925703
Skaven weren't enough
Dwarves weren't enough

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Do people actually still hate furries in 2026? it seems like a 2016 things and people just stopped caring about

Also have any of you read the Warhammer novels? I half way through Trollslayer and it's a really good and fun read so far. I'll read Thanquol's Novels once I'm done with Trollslayer

>>738930875
Are they actually any good?
I always assumed that these vidya/tabletop related books were just cheaply made to promote the main product and all kinda suck

Furry money is the only thing that could saw ToW

>>738931025
GW churns out so many books that they accidentally publish good ones every now and then, most of them are bad though

>>738931309
what ones are good
both fantasy and 40k, i got an eisenhorn from my brother because i played dawn of war but i never read it

>>738931025
They're genuinely funny and good, but I guess they're mainly made for Warhammer fans but I'm not that big into Warhammer (only played total war and some Vermintide 2 when they made it free to keep)

Vidya novels aren't necessarily cheap novels, I read the elder scrolls ones and genuinely liked them and hear good stuff about other vidya novels like asscreeds and halo and mass effects (even though I didn't read them)

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So is the CA End Times going to retcon whatever the fuck happened in GW's version of events? So far it seems like undead are the focal point instead of chaos this time. I'm hoping the skaven are a big presence at least (the one redeemable part of ET storyline tbqh)

>>738930339
Manfred was everyone's bitch at that point, it was basically cuck rage

>>738931025
Gotrek & Felix are written in the style of Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser, if you want a Warhammer-flavored throwback to old-school sword and sorcery fantasy novels, it's that.

>>738931394
The Thanquol books are fun reads
For 40k, the Nightlords omnibus does a pretty good job of making chaos marines good characters

>>738931449
>So is the CA End Times going to retcon whatever the fuck happened in GW's version of events?
Not as much a retcon as a remix. Chaos will still be involved, they just won't automatically win due to the open ended nature of TW.

>>738931394
I get most of Warhammer content from PancreasNoWork and decided to start with Gotrek and Felix and Thanquol since he keeps mentioning them in his videos. For 40k I wanna read Ciaphas Cain and someone recommended me to read Assassinorum: Kingmaker

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>>738925703
bought the game, thanks for the ad!

>>738932060
>PancreasNoWork
Pretty comfy lore channel, pretty much the only 40k one i watch, but he really needs to cut back on his fantasy autism

>>738928071
>I was asking for it since game 2.
They had 2 reworks in TW2 bro. Time to accept that Bretonnia is just complete shit.

>>738933015
>lore channel
It's 100% a meme lore channel.

furries always improve things at least a little

>>738933265
40k/fantasy setting is a meme anyway

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>>738925703
this looks like a mod you find on like page 12 when sorting by "best rating" and they want 5 bucks for it?

>>738930339
Because at that point he realized who Nagash actually is. He didn't want to live out a eternity under that clown and though that killing everyone will spare him that. He didn't predict that AoS will be a thing.

>>738933190
This
There's not a whole lot more you can do with Brettonia.
Sure, you could make a more interesting and dynamic vow system, make it so your Brettonian Lords and Paladins are a bit more build a bear, maybe touch up/smother the peasant economy.
But the fundamental issues Brettonia has aren't fixable.
GW themselves ran into this issue and just stopped publishing Brettonia shit

>>738933371
what are bretonnia's fundamental issues?

>>738933307
I would absolutely download this mod to add the funny cat man OC to my growing clusterfuck pile of OC heroes I force into an army together
I would not pay 5 bucks for it.

Cathay is one of my least played factions, and I severely doubt this is going to change the fundamental snorefest of Cathay.

Adding caravans to other factions is one of the better mods I've installed

>>738933438
Shitty cav faction stuck in a game with cheap anti-cav and powerful ranged.

>>738932868
Bought any of the DLCs? if not try using creamapi to get them for free

>>738933190
>>738933371
Both of you are fucking wrong.
Brets are not shit.
Especially with all the content they have in mainline lore and other Warhammer media.
And no, not just Foot Knights.
Naiads, Brigands, Herrimaults, Sons of Bretonnia, Hounds (Truffle Hounds and specialized Hunting Hounds with their own armor), Lake Lions...hell, even the Giant Snails would fit in.
You people simply refuse to see the larger picture.

>>738933438
1. They are very tied to their location. Because of the weird relationship with Athel Loren, Brettonia can't really leave for long periods. You can't get weird developments like Skeggi for Norsca.
2. Kinda bound to Arthurian legend. This is probably the best avenue for expansion, since they could just look for and ape other similar stories, but this is sounding more and more like a weird subfaction of Kislev or Cathay or some shit like that, than proper Brettonia. If GW hasn't made Brettonia a proper Merlin yet, they probably aren't getting one through Total War, since that's too high profile for OC
3. They're a luddite, non-monstrous, barely-magical faction, nominally tied to real life humans. You can't add new technology, that's not Brettonia. You can't add new monsters, unless it's basically a horse. You can't add much magic.
These things together are pretty fukkin strangling. Short of slapping a (halberds) at the end of your knight of choice or something, new units are pretty strange and difficult to come up with, especially since the ranks and tiers of knight are pretty much already established. You'd have to come up with entirely original knights... which probably have their niche filled anyways.
4. Cavalry focused faction. Cavalry is shit-ass in this game. Unfortunate, but it's been something they've struggled with since TWW1. If they haven't fixed it yet, they probably won't now that the game is on its way out the door

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>>738933825
>Brets are not shit.
>Especially with all the content they have in mainline lore and other Warhammer media.
>meanwhile didn't have a codex since 6th ed
>got lore massacred in ET and effectively turned into a vassal of the wood elves
>not even a presence in aos lore
>gets the worst reworks in tw
I can't think of a bigger KWAB'd faction other than the beastmen, and even their shortcomings don't come close to failtonnia's

>>738934473
>not even a presence in aos lore
trvke
bretonnia won

>>738926195
you don't care, and you wish nobody cared, but that is not the same as other people not caring. they do care

>>738933572
I think this is honestly the biggest issue.
Cavalry is just not something you can really build an army around. TWW's basic mechanics just don't allow it.
If they're good at melee, they assrape your cavalry.
If they're bad at melee, they are almost assuredly running mobs of spears/halberds for pure holding ability, so they assrape your cavalry.
If they have a spooky monster, it trades down, sure, but assrapes your cavalry, go recruit more.
If they have skirmish cavalry, it is faster than your cavalry so will kite them forever, kill half the unit, then assrape the rest in melee.

And then ever since Chariots got reworked to not be complete ass, there's almost no reason to use cavalry for the one thing it's sorta good at, rear charging front lines to break them. Chariots do that way better, with less attrition associated.

This leaves a microscopic niche for some elite cavalry, to be good at assasinating weak characters and monsters. Not any actually strong characters and monsters, mind, that Oldblood assrapes your cavalry, but isolated mages, Cygors, shit like that.

>>738934473
Norsca
Brettonia
Beastmen
Wood Elves
These are the shitboot factions. These are NPC factions that you aren't actually supposed to like, they just exist to give flavor and variety to the people you fight. If your favorite faction is one of these, you fucked up somewhere

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>>738930339
Because of this book.
>Arkhan and Mannfred meet and fight (Mannfred only manages to eek out a draw because he ambushed Arkhan and got him stuck oover running water)
>They agree that Nagash needs to be brought back to stop Archaon
>Mannfred prepares the ritual while Archaon gets the remaining materials
>Mannfred naturally just wants to take Nagash's power, sends assassins after Arkhan
>Arkhan doesn't give a fuck and kills them after getting Nagash's big ass staff and beating Kimmler to death with it
>They do the ritual to summon Nagash, High Elves show up to stop it since one if the sacrifices is Alarielle's daughter
>Eltharion is there and Mannfred goes to stop him
>Eltharion doesn't even give Mannfred a proper fight, literally tramples him on the way to get to Arkhan
>Arkhan backhands Eltharion so hard it turns the elf to dust
>Mannfred rushes in to try and gank Arkhan to hijack the ritual
>Arkhan saw it coming a mile away and specifically set up a magic barrier to block Mannfred out and make him watch as Nagash gers summoned
>Nagash comes back and the literal first thing he does is rip out Mannfred's liver and use it to bring back Vlad to be the new leader of the Vampires

>>738934884
I used to know a guy who would play beastmen AND wood elves exclusively. He was the coolest guy in our group and would give out free terrain pieces. Simpler times.

>>738935047
Nagash is cool, but they fuck up his presentation so much.
Like, it's genuinely impressive how often they take what should be a slam dunk of cool, and flubbing to awkward and kinda cringe. I love me skeletons. I love me liches. I love me liches commanding legions of skeletons, and building bone monsters out of skeletons. I love me liches playing on different levels of game and morality than everyone else.
But I don't love Nagash. Make it make sense.

>>738935372
Nagash has a very long and elaborate backstory and every of its many individual elements comes down to how much of a bitch he is.

>>738927592
>Clips through it's own model
Lazy
Can't wait to play the half-baked 40k tw

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>>738925703
Do they actually have tiger people with Katars in the Warhammer lore?
Ive never heard of them and they look so out of place in the game.

>>738937247
Most of Kislev and Cathay have been entirely original, "inspired" by a few blurbs from obscure books, with important names and footnotes used as tentpoles.

>>738937556
That makes a lot of sense. I always thought Cathay never fit in with the rest of the factions in the game.

>>738934678
>If they have skirmish cavalry, it is faster than your cavalry
Units get faster when charging so this never works, skirmish cav are only ever faster than infantry

>>738925703
>Brashiva

>>738937695
This only adjusts speed by a few points, skirmish cav are almost always faster than heavy and elite cavalry by enough of a margin that they overcome this, especially since charging depletes vigor much more quickly, meaning the gap will only get bigger. Light cavalry and some faster medium or elite cavalry can catch them, but light cavalry get assraped by anything else.
Some campaign buffs, spells, and banners can close this gap as well.

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>>738925832
Tigermen are an Indish beastmen type so the Indian weapons make sense
wonder if CA will give them indian accent as well

>>738939131
>Tigermen, saar!

>>738939214
Considering rumours CA/Gw might make a full Ind army but that does kinda sound terrible imo

>>738939214
I am absolutely using trait editor to give every single one of their lords the Needful trait

>>738939131
built for WHITE WOMEN

>>738925887
>again
Can we not be hyperbolic? Cathay only has 3 lords

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>>738925887
Do the devs just expect modders to fix their game? They have to, right? It's the only explanation I can see for allowing the shit state of races like this. They have dozens of mods that overhaul them and fix them.

>>738942552
Yeah, they seem to be going the Bethesda route without the infinite modding community

>>738935372
>Nagash is cool
Nagash is a little bitch and opposite of cool. All his powers are deus ex machina where a dude that can't perceive the winds of magic or draw upon them is somehow the strongest caster on the planet. Hate his retarded plot armor he never earned.

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>>738943279
>t.

>>738943379
Manfred for all his retarded lore spent longer than Nagash was alive(and undead) studying magic. And he's still worse at it that Nagash who has to use warpstone like a skaven to cast spells.

>>738925703
Total War will have Elder Scrolls Akavir before Bethesda does...

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>>738925703
>Lizardmen
:O

>Beastmen
:O

>Tigermen
>:c

>>738945232
What about Snakemen?

>>738945232
It's shit because the consensus in the old lore was that any animal that walks like a man and capable of speech is a chaos corruption. Tigermen being mutants and order aligned opens the gates to order beastmen which is a thought so revolting it makes me hate the tigermen even more. Then again TOW isn't made for me it's clearly aimed at a chinese market and cares fuck all about lore having any consistency anymore as long as it pleases the ricemen.

>>738929883
Nagash and Boris are paid lords with associated new units/lords/etc. Neferata is FLC and as such won't have any new content beyond herself. As for who's coming, Thanquol is so close to guaranteed he's worth betting your mother's life on. The fourth lord will obviously be someone from the Chaos side. The obvious choice is the Glottkin but a recent popular leak has said Moonclaw.

It should also be noted that though it's technically part of the patch and not the DLC, Archaon is being substantially reworked as well to have a properly End Times themed campaign, so it'll basically be six new playthroughs in total.

>>738934678
Speed and choosing engagements is literally everything. They bring spears? Don’t fight them. They bring ranged? Your can are already eating them. They make a box? Well, you have spells for exactly this scenario, they’re dying to a different part of your army. It’s why Slaanesh is such a nightmare, even if you’re good against them, they never have to fight on your terms.

>>738927013
>the world (not the physical planet, the world itself)
so... the universe?

>>738946273
>They bring spears? Don’t fight them.
It's good Bretonnia doesn't have you as their tactician because you would be overrun by Empire peasants in a day.

>>738946454
I mean you can literally just overwhelm the spears sequentially of they only bring spears. One spear unit fights really poorly against three cavalry units cycling them. The lord dies, the caster dies, and all that’s left are slow spears that can’t do anything.

>>738946206
Tigermen are old lore and were always mercenaries, not good guys. They just aren't rah roo rape 'em all.

>>738946206
That's retarded.
Lizardmen have fuck all to do with Chaos. In fact they were literally engineered to fight Chaos.

>>738934317
>You can't add new technology, that's not Brettonia.

Bretonnian coastal cities are highly advanced. Their navy is considered more powerful than the Empire's.

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>>738939297
we already have an indian faction

>>738948704
don't disrespect the ratty boys like that.

>>738925703
this but unironically

>>738931449
No. Official canon still holds that the WHFB world has ended. But WHFB games offer far more freedom because nothing actually matters and GW couldn’t care less. They’ve basically said “In your game, things can go completely differently.” so there will definitely be alternative paths and storylines.

>>738948189
Lizardmen were created as such by the old ones. Beastmen are animals that got mutated by chaos. Tigermen are also chaos mutants in the new lore too but unlike every other beastmen(who have 24/7 connection to chaos that tells them to rape) they are somehow good.

>>738949497
i bet its cause the Tigermen are based monks.

>>738949497
>they are somehow good
Calling them good would be an exaggeration.

>>738943453
he is bald, obviously thats an insane debuff so of course he was worse than Nagash

>>738949638
Manfred shaved his head because people told him he looks like Vlad. Nagash was actually bald.

>>738949497
They just aren't intrinsically buttfuck evil. They are willing to be paid money for protection and military aid. They're about as good as the Ogres are.

>>738949789
Ogres are a pure order race created by the old ones. They have no ill intent towards anyone. They were ruined by cathayans dropping a warpstone/chaos abomination on them that twisted their minds into gluttony.

>>738946454
If the Empire wasn't dealing with 10 times the problems Bretonnia has they would've been. It's literally the same argument as Imperium vs Tau except the Wood Elf puppet state doesn't even have the tech advantage. They were always Estalia-tier except playable.

>>738949757
well yeah, skeletons don't have hair

>>738925703
Tigermen Mod became official

>>738925703
Why do the animations for the tigers seem so cheap?
Also all the shitty armour clipping into their model is crazy

>>738949757
>t.mannfred von BALDstein

>>738949903
Ogres were INTENDED to be an order race. They are literally unfinished and the Cathayans "Ruined" them because they kept raiding the Cathayans and eating everybody constantly. They are nowhere near good guys and willingly work with chaos if the money or the meat's good.

>>738949903
I thought they got fucked up because the Old Ones got spooked and dipped before they could finish making the ogres properly.

>>738950050
No the maw was a bunch of cathayan sorcerers summoning a chaos meteor to kill the ogres. It backfired and made them more ravenous than they were before.

>>738949497
I don't think the Beastmen are mind-controlled by Chaos. They are just...socially disadvantaged because their society is Lord of the Flies on steroids, being made up of abandoned mutant children.

>>738925703
>What are beastniggers
Fuck off tertiary

>>738950121
It didn't backfire, it forced them into the mountains where the cathayans didn't have to deal with them as much. Now they're basically mountain squatters that get paid a stipend to let trade through and mercenaries for hire for everybody.

>>738950136
>no you don't understand the beastman is merely a victim of socioeconomic condition
>let them in, they might cook us food

>>738930875
>>738931025
Gotrek and Felix books range from good to absolutely excellent.
Recommend the audiobooks, Keeble does a great Dawi voice, doesn't make them Scottish like most fantasy retards. Except for one, with a very good reason.

Daemonslayer is probably my favourite Warhammer novel

>>738950250
Ogres always lived in the mountains and came down to eat cathayan sheep from time to time. Retarded cathayans dropped a nuke that didn't do anything to the Ogres but turned their own rice paddies into a irradiated wasteland. Cathay was entirely green before that and is turning more and more into a desert with each century with warpstone fields expanding ever on. Ideal place for skaven not humans.

>>738950373
They were encroaching constantly and eating entire villages. Now they stay in their dogshit mountains where they belong except to go on mercenary tours.

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Cathay is cool and all but I want my Siam snake people please. South East Asian Naga Body-Horror is unbelievably kino, how the fuck aren't they investing heavily into Nippon and Khuresh lore it's free fucking money

>>738950524
Hope it was worth poisoning 1/3 of a country and implanting a chaos mutant into the crust to achieve that.

>>738950538
GW doesn't care about the SEA market and plenty of other model companies have made Sengoku period Samurai models and Japanese Fantasy models, but Fantasy China models are much rarer

>>738925703
why is Cathay so multicultural?

>>738950593
Free warpstone and a permanent border guard, sounds pretty good for most countries. Ogres meanwhile leave them alone other than getting a stipend and fighting in the armies.

>>738950712
>Free warpstone
No one except rats wants warpstone. It poison to life.

On the one hand I find it kinda funny that one of the easiest campaigns is now gonna have another strong ally on the other hand I find it kinda sad that Zhao Ming is more of a faction mechanic to a different faction compared to his own lack of one

It's fucking total war
Who cares bout that crap

>>738950697
Because they seem to be turning it into the "And everyone else" faction, because Khuresh and Ind aren't getting in the game. Justice for Nippon and Toyota Mitsubishi

>>738950697
Nigga you know how big China is?
Did you know it shares a border with India, Nepal, Russia, Korea, Bhutan, Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan and probably more?
Shit tends to bleed across borders.
Chinese emperors often had foreign advisors, fuck me they were often not Chinese themselves. The Yuan were Mongols and the Qing were Manchu

>>738950751
Cathay literally refines it. Warpstone is insanely useful and a lot of factions make incidental or constant use of it.

>>738950865
Yeah they sometimes use it not live on it. You've seen what warpstone done to Nehekara? How much of a delusional cathayfag are you?

>>738950751
Yes and no. Properly treated Warpstone is genuinely gamechanging and a Dawi runesmith learned how to refine and harness it. He made some absolutely wonderous things, but Tzeentch got wind of it and tricked all the other dwarfs into thinking he'd gone mad by sabotaging his demonstration, so it's never been attempted again.

>>738950697
Lump all the Asian factions into it to avoid having to do individual Kuresh, Ind, and Nippon ones. Probably for the best, no way was CA doing DLC dedicated to each as a new race. Kind of shocked we didn't get Monkey King though.

Does this mean there's hope for furries in 40k? Though if they gonna make them jeet coded I would prefer it if they did not.

>>738950958
Nehekhara got fucked up by Nagash actively fucking it up, not just general warpstone contamination

>>738951016
There's nmo way they don't add Monkey King as a LL, Sun Wu Kong is just too iconic a character not to. They'd sell megabux in Asia.

>>738950958
Nagash did that to Nehekara because he used it, over in a mountain hundreds of miles away, to cast power word kill on an entire fucking nation. Vampires use it, every faction that uses dark magic openly use it, every faction that uses wizards uses it at least sometimes. Cathay doesn't live on it, but they have developed a technique to render it less volatile and more generally useful, so having a good supply is great as long as you can murder the rats it attracts.

I'm so fucking happy I can just print any unit I want without giving James a single fucking cent

>cow and goat men are ok
>tigermen etc are not
Why?

>>738951095
>Cathay doesn't live on it, but they
Yeah the expanding warpstone desert is just a illusion. No harm of growing warpstone in your country. Not even dark elves are this dumb about dark magic and warpstone.

>>738951095
*Lizardmen and High Elves don't use it.
Lizardmen definitely not, High Elves MAYYYBBEEEE
Not sure on Wood Elves either, I'd assume not, don't think the wood spirits would take kindly to it.

>>738951162
Hey, they have a guy working on it, it's fine. Everyone likes the Iron Dragon.

Can't say I'm too sold on the teleporting, maybe I'm just expecting something more feral with pouncing from her animations since that how I usually expect a beast character to act.

>>738950697
To be fair she's a vassal of zhao ming who's buddies with greasus, runs the city that probably has the most contact with other friendly races and is known to harbor outcasts and eccentrics. It helps flesh him out and at least throws a bone to Ind.

>>738951016
The monkey king is feuding with the fire dragon sibling right? It would be funny if he got shafted in favor of MK being turned into an LL but I'm worried they might do fire dragon LL with Monkey king LH

>>738951198
Oh yeah, forgot about the lizard wizards. Lizard wizards don't even fucking need it, it's lower power than their baseline casts. High Elves probably have gotten desperate once or twice and made use of it, but it's going to be rare.

>>738925887
>BRETONNIA REWORK?
Never. Truke nuke: It's a meme faction made by brits who saw Holy Grail alot. It's never going to be a serious faction. You want the good Human faction? Empire.

>>738951016
Ind Tigermen in Cathay? Kuresh Nagas in Cathay?

That makes no sense, they are hostile to humans especially Cathay.

>>738951162
Interesting lore point though, it's implied in the latest arcane journal that Xen Yang KNEW what would happen when he called down the meteorite, crashed it into ONE OF HIS OWN CITIES, and there's still fucked up warpstone ghosts there to this day.

So either Xen Yang is a colossal retard, or was unbelievably PISSED. I think he was genuinely pissed beyond imagination because the Ogres ate Shiyama, his first born.

Guy fuckin HATES Ogres.

>>738925703
>Ind FINALLY gets represntation after years of GW never touching on it
>WAAAAAA! WAAAAAA! I HATE INDIANS! I HATE INDIANS AND FURRIES! WAAAAAAAH!

>>738951365
Retards on 4chin will whinge about anything, especially tertiaries.
TW 40K threads are going to be non-stop bitching for the best part of a decade. At least with WHFB you at least gets some comfy lore discussions with Grognards and not some retards who've watched Bricky and think they're oldfags

>>738951254
Slaan are a level of mage all their own. Even a four spawn Slaan is greater than any other mage of any race.

>furry lord pack for Cathay
Holy shit I hate these devs

>>738951527
I wish the Slaan were as dominant in the game as they are in the lore and on tabletop. As it stands, several LL wizards outdo them.

warhammer 3 is so fucking strange. none of these factions were in the table top.

>>738951461
that assumes TW40K has any legs and doesn't die in the crib like Three Chinkdoms

>>738951365
>Inds

fucking never, no browns allowed.
Tigermen only.

>>738951693
Lizardmen need a full rework on the scale of the Empire. Slann should be able to access all generic lores, as a minimum.
Seeing a 2nd/34d Gen Slann lord in battle should make you absoluttely shit one because they're going to magically molest you

>>738951782
Chorfs, Daemons of Chaos, and Ogres all did.

>>738951783
Oh come on it's 40k, if TW: Warhammer was a golden goose, TW:40K is a Mansa Musa's gold mine

>>738925832
Funny since we already got Nurgle as a faction

this is getting a bit ridiculous.

GW has slowly been changing Cathay to be an Asian version of Empire but with less elves and dwarves, and more beast people.

>>738951782
If you just mean original launch, Ogres and Daemons were army books. CA got to update Kislev and basically invent Cathay from scratch with GW as cross-promotion for The Old World.

>>738927592
Meme Idea: The Doorbell chud, but it's a skaven and a doom bell.

Or a Great Unclean One and his big bell.

>>738951782
>table top
If WFB wasn't shitcanned, we would've had every faction in TW playable on TT by now.

>>738951902
how'd that work out for Dawn of War 3

>>738951919
Nigger it's ONE city, the most western, cosmopolitan city at that,
It's literally Xi'an from the silk road, it's full of Gweilo

>>738951992
DOW3 and TW: 40k aren't realistically comparable come the fuck on. TW:WH series brought an enitre setting back to life

>>738952075
and TW40K will not be doing that

>>738951919
They really want the Chinese market in 2026

Enjoy getting kung fu pandas, ox spearmen, snake warriors and every kind of streotypical and flanderized Oriental beast race

Surprised they haven't done monkes

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>>738952153
Monkey Warriors and Snakemen have been in Warhammer Lore longer than you've been alive retard-kun

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>>738952108
It doesn't need to be brought back to life, 40k is already making gangbusters across various forms of media.

Cathay better not have Jade/Chinese vampires as well, otherwise I'm gonna flip.

>>738952464
Those are already represented by a hostile vamp counts faction.

>still haven't fixed the bug that causes AI to cluster armies around cities
CA is a clown company and I have absolutely zero faith in their ability to make good games.

>>738952464
Jade-blooded Vampires have also been a thing for multiple decades since the original Nagash/Neferata books anon-chama...

>>738952464
I actually sort of like the mod that adds them as a playable faction and flashes them out a bit.

>>738931449
CA already soft-retconned End Times (notably, WH1 can let the Ordertide beat back Chaos once and for all, and WH2 has the 'Corrupted Flame of Asuryan' landmark) but CA has had a much tighter grip on the game from the third game onwards so for all we know they could mandate that every campaign now ends with progressively stronger Chaos stacks spawning outside Middenheim until they raze it and the game shuts off.

>>738952464
Jade Blooded Vampires have been a thing in Cathay lore since the mid 2000s, they even got a mention in the most recent Cathay book for TOW

>>738952403
which is why TW40K will have to be an absolute banger to move the needle.

and given CA's general output that is...questionable.

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>>738952860
Of course I meant GW has had a much tighter grip, not CA.

>>738952860
>infinite chaos armies
I already wipe the floor with every endgame in like two turns at 200% if I have any armies in the area. 20 armies isn't real.

>>738952610
>>738952649
>>738952745

Jade-blooded vampires are not canon.
The vampires in Cathay are just normal vampires who just so happen to be chinks.

Jade-blooded vampires aren't in the game.

>>738953030
The faction literally says they are led by Jade-blooded vampires and are called Jiangshi rebels. They were canon in that standard GW "Well we've heard reports of these, but who can say..."

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>>738953030
>Jade-blooded vampires aren't in the game.
They get mentioned a fair bit n-game and in TOW game books

>>738952917
You have the intersection of total war autists, 40k fags who will eat up anything they can get, and the newbie casuls who entered the market with SM2. It will sell A LOT. Though that doesn't mean it won't have it's controversies, I fully expect it to launch with barebones content, bugs up the ass and a smattering of online discourse controversy as per usual these days. All that still didn't stop WH3 from making wads of cash and establishing a consistent player base.

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>>738925703

>>738953108
>>738953113

I dunno, China still got that undead zombie taboo shit.
So either regular ass vampires or GW is playing with fire.

>>738953371
They're already in the game, whether they ever turn into a faction worth noting is unlikely. VCs are getting a blast of content soon though, and none of it references Cathay.

>>738953239
>Chinamen Total War
>the intersection of Total War autists and Chinamen who will make anything a billion dollars if it so much as features a Chinese actor
>disappears from all discourse almost instantly, abandoned by CA after a year
nothing is guaranteed. A Warhammer Fantasy strategy game was novel. A 40K strategy game, less so.

>>738953371
Jade-blooded Vampires are just normal vampires with some twists, they aren't Kuei-jin or Jianshi, different monsters that act similarly to a Vampire GW has already stated as such on their website.
>JTY: Several Vampires whom we haven’t named fled here from Nehekhara, as did Hekate, who is named in certain novels. The Jade-Blooded do exist, though they’re probably not as you might imagine. We’ve steered clear of any tropes, but also of traditional Chinese Jiangshi – which fans of Chinese cinema will recall as stiff-limbed ‘hopping’ vampires. I love them, but they aren’t Warhammer.

>Rob: We have consciously avoided any body horror, and we decided that while there are indeed Vampires in Grand Cathay, they aren’t relevant to the stories we are telling in the Old World. Like the Tigermen, they are another idea for the background file.
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zscdwwzf/old-world-almanack-a-short-history-of-cathay/

>>738946273
Okay, but Slaanesh is actually fast enough to do this, has ludicrously high damage output on what cavalry they do have, and have large monsters for disrupting formations.
Brettonia has none of this.

>>738953638
Brettonia are a cavalry-only faction, essentially. Their infantry is the worst in the entire game. Their infantry may as well not exist but to stand stlll.

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>>738953504
Three Kingdoms sold ridiculously well at launch, what are you talking about? It's CA's fastest selling initial launch ever. Ironically the reason the DLC flopped was because they didn't pander to chinks ENOUGH, chinks hate the Eight Princes period and abandoned the game en masse when it was announced as the direction the game was going to take. Then CA dropped support in favour of working on a sequel but cancelled it in favour of Hyenas (lol, lmao).

>>738953735
Bretonnia had solid infantry in older editions, they only became a cavalry focused faction starting with 5e

Back then Bretonnia was just medieval Ingerlund and France

Games Workshop cut their roster because no one cares about Bretonnia, same shit happened with the Tomb Kangz and they were the first army to get nuked

>the intersection of Total War autists and Chinamen who will make anything a billion dollars if it so much as features a Chinese actor
It makes me wonder if they'll bring back jaghatai khan so they can facescan some chinese actor in. May be enough to appease pooh and his hundred-acre friends lol.

>>738953892
White Scars are Mongolian

White Scars failed in Asia simply because they're gigachad meat eating, bike riding Mongolians instead of herbivore loser tiny pp East Asians

The Tau was created specifically for Asia, to target the Gunpla audience

It's funny seeing all this hype generated for Cathay over the years because in the end the HEAVENLY DRAGON EMPEROR ABOVE ALL and all his kids get canonically KRUMP'D by Grimgor in the End Times.

>>738925703
so Ind Tigermen are no longer curry version of Chaos beastmen?

kinda disappointed really.

>>738953892
Damn, meant to reply to>>738953504
>>738953957
>The Tau was created specifically for Asia, to target the Gunpla audience
Yeah, but how big is gunpla in tru-cathay? Last I heard the yellowmen are really starting to get into 40k and the like. Think they even have full GW stores there.

>>738953957
>The Tau was created specifically for Asia, to target the Gunpla audience

see that don't make sense because almost all factions nowadays have giant robots, Tau are no longer unique in that aspect.

>>738928051
Dark Elves weren't worshiping Chaos years before ET.

>>738953892
Jaghatai is one of the more likely loyalist primarchs to come back for whatever reason

>>738954178
Games Workshop was always in Japan and has opened stores in Korea and Chyna

>>738954194
That's Games Workshop's fault for adding knights and titans, walkers aren't considered Gunpla

>>738954215
Slaanesh was being worshipped by the dark elves back in 6e anon

>>738954225
Nah it's Rogal Dorn or Corvus Corax

>>738954294
Only Morathi and her pleasure cults, and it was implied only Morathi and her inner circle even knew and most believed it to be one of the Cythrai they were worshipping.

The Malus Darkblade books go into it a bit

>>738954037
The idea that Grimgor kills someone as powerful as Yuan Bo or Miao Ying is so funny.

Okay yeah, he's da bestest but he's not krumping something that would ass-rape a Primarch.

>>738954556
Yuan Bo and Miao Ying weren't characters back then. Cathay was just "A place like China that's far away, they have a great wall and a dragon emperor."

>>738954556
Grimgor handily beat Archaon in Storm of Chaos and only lost to him in the End Times by Archaon tagging in a named greater demon at the last second to gank him.

>>738954704
Oh yeah I know, just means GW have written themselves into a corner trying to explain how Grimgor kills the dragons.
They can't even use the Incarnate of Beasts excuse since that was waaaay later.

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>>738925703
>complaining about bipedal animal races
>in fucking warhammer
OP is not even a secondary faggot hes a tertiary faggot. Thats an impressive level of "i have no idea what im talking about but will act like an authority to look like the fool i am publicly".

>>738954830
Yeah but Archaon is shit. The entire Storm of Chaos campaign was Chaos failing forward until Grimgor was the last one to kick him into a pile. Chaos lost every battle but then still advanced.

>>738954830
I love Grimgor as a character but he's never genuinely beating Archaeon. Storm of Chaos had it's ups and downs and I definitely prefer how things played out there than in the ET but it's semi-canon whereas the E.T is explicitly how things went down until stated otherwise.

Yuan Bo is second only behind his father and Slann in the use of Magic, he's obliterating Grimgor 10/10 without Gork (or Mork) personally intervening, which I think will likely end up being what happens.

>>738953735
But their cavalry sucks too much to overcome the inherent weaknesses of cavalry as a primary force
Hence, Brettonia sucks.

>>738954907
Tigermen have been a thing in the lore for ages, I think the problems some anons have with them is that they are "order" aligned and are not portrayed as chaoetic in any way like Beastmen or Skaven are.

>>738946206
no its not you fucking idiot. beastmen are humans twisted by the winds of magic being warpedwhen the great chaos gate opened, the old ones made the slann and other lizardmen and plenty of natural humanoid animals occured since man is the old one created deviancy not the norm.

fucking /v/ secondaries.

>>738955054
You mean the guys with literal chaos patrons like Morghur and The Great Hornet rat? Its almost like Warhammer has some theme of a few corruptors in positions of power can bring a whole people to ruin. Almost.

>>738955051
Their cavalry are still some of the best in the game. Royal Hippogriffs are a basically unmatched aerial unit. Their plentiful ground cavalry has the same appeal and impact as a war dogs army, where you can easily overwhelm an army piecemeal.

>>738955068
Tertiaries, lets be honest.
Tigermen come from a time (the 1980/1990s) when hyper-masculine tiger people were cool as fuck and Asia was this mysterious place and they all did martial arts and holy shit it's bruce lee fuck yeah
Zoomers literally cannot comprehend that a lot of the oldfag lore of their favourite franchises, Warhammer, Warcraft, Diablo, etc is just a bunch of 20 somethings in 1990 going "holy shit that would be so cool"

Hell yeah, tigers are awesome!

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>>738925703
Frankly, I find the idea of a beastman that isn't chaotic offensive.

>>738954859
>GW have written themselves into a corner
Are you new? GW have always done such things. Their every setting is an incoherent mess full of retcons that invalidate older lore.

>>738955221
These dumb apes have zero idea these are all actually predating warhammer fantasy battles and come from Runequest that GW used to publish for Chaosium that were themselves lifted from greek, egyptian and asian mythology. They are pig ignorant and act like they know anything hoping they can just keep lying and people will roll over and accept it. They must have a great career in politics ahead of them.

>>738955424
If we really want to point fingers it's all back to Michael Moorcock.

>>738955020
Yuan bo is a bitch marysue and a tattletale pussy with magic worse than an astromancer
This is a Miao Ying board coward

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4chan is a Brayherd board and the old world belongs to us.

>>738955020
Literally just don't fight him in solo combat, that's all you have to do to kill grimgor. You know what happened when he decided to invade Kislev? Katarin said "It's cold now" and then he wandered off elsewhere. Just don't fucking fight him one on one. That's all you ever have to do to make him give up and leave.

>>738955020
Didnt archaon end up losing to a zombie-sigmar Karl franz while tumbling through outer space in the end? Pretty disappointing way to go out

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>>738955782
Big wordssss warm-blood chaosss sssspawn

Thisss issss a Sacred Board of the Old Fagssss

>>738925703
We could have legally distinguish Aqua instead.

>>738955851
Archeon was such a marysue AND jobber they replaced him in TOW with a woman and the greybeards didn't scream about a woke boogeyman because it turns out a norscan woman that just leads marauders on slave runs of the empires northern coast was more interesting than some gay OC with a special ultra chaos dragon nobody cared about at all.

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>>738925887
I have Cathay fatigue
I'm sick of this pandering chinkslop

>>738957434
>I can't deal with the new army getting enough models to catch up with armies with 30 years of support
40K would break you little man.

>>738925703
I got all three of these games for free on EGS.
Never played any of them.

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>>738957487
>40K
I'm neither as gay nor as retarded as you to willingly engage with spess muhreens vs. chaos spess muhreens: the game

>>738955829
Impressive how they made this true ingame as well.
The best solution to deal with Grimgor in campaign, is ignore him. Maybe feed him a unit of spearmen that he'll be stuck in all map.
Then army loss him.

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>>738925703
I can't wait to murder these faggot furries in the name of KHORNE THE BLOOD GOD

>>738960079
UPVOTES FOR THE REDDIT GOD

>>738937247
There's like a single throwaway line about an imperial travelling in ind, he and his group gets attacked by tiger beastmen, the kills them and the the local villagers attack him because the beasmen are holy to them.
And that's it, it's also one of the like 3 things we ever knew about ind from the old stuff