Where were you when the greatest WC3 tournament was happening?https://www.twitch.tv/grubby
People watch this shit? OH MY GOD HE GOT A TOME OF POWER AND NUKED THE ENEMY HEROES WITH DEATH COIL AND FROST NOVA lmao esports are a joke
Simply is going to destroy all these multiplayer sweats btw, proving once and for all that singleplayer gamers are better
>>738927838it's an amateur tournament and the point is to laugh at dumb stuff they do
>>738927356>non-prosMiss me with that e-celeb shit
I would rather rip off my dick that give any amount of time to grubby.Hopefully he dies of cancer soon.
>>738927356Laboratory expo was a legendary move. Women are strange creatures.
>>738928016Oh, you should've said that.
>>738927356Is Grubby still the best Orc player? Havent seen him in years
>>738928112e-celebs make the game grow.e-athletes make the game rot and die by hardening a meta, cheesing and demanding patches for fringe situations that normal players never encounter.It is very simple:E-celebs push a game towards fun, E-sports push a game towards stagnation and death.
I wonder how butthurt nu-blizz is about them shit talking each other in chat in a tournament that they're apart of. I hope a lot.
ggez
>>738928269Never was. There are players that just play random races and wipe the floor with him on either of them, like Fortitude.
>>738927356I got this shit on my youtube feed with the most low effort AI slop thumbnail and immediately lost interest, seems like your generic trashy e-celeb 'content' garbage
>>738928928they have the same faces :D
>>738928379Nah, e-celebs are just sellouts and suck at video games so it's not even fun to watch them. Pro games are at least amusing.
did you guys see flash rape light live on stage?
>>738927356WC3 belongs on CRT monitors in your best friend’s room playing stupid map edits and OG DOTA in 2002.
>>738929412dota ruined WC3
>>738927356Just hope a league player doesn't end up winning. They're all garbage people.
>>738929489Yeah dotatards are the worst
is this achievable natty?
>>738929568they are some of the worst players in this, this basically confirmed that moba players can't play RTS
>>738930017They were also the ones that took their "training arc" the least serious and barely played any games.Literally wasted slots that could have been given to more entertaining and serious people.
>>738929694>If only you knew how bad things really are
>>738929568the girl is the worst player
>>738931146"girl"
>>738931146Shocker.
Hera is washed
>>738931146why do all youtubers have those triangle lights on their walls? I've never seen a real person have anything like that
>>738927356trhanks to this hera is shit at playing aoe 2 currently
I'm gonna light you up, sweet cheeks!
>>738931523>why do all youtubers have those triangle lights on their walls?because everyone else has them
>>738931603>3-0grimhttps://youtu.be/TqVL9lg255A
>>738931523maybe they just want to have something in the background to not look so "boring", maybe they get sponsored by some company that makes them
>>738932516>lag lets re
>>738931146Once again proving that women should stick to cheerleading and not be allowed to compete.
>>738927356https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnRKe2cCmC0This is the YT link, so you can actually type shit and not have his jannies ban you for an ounce of shittalk if you trash the >>738931146 foid.
>>738927356>Coil Nova craft 3Bruh.
>>738933732That's not what this tourney is.
>>738929295> it's not even fun to watch themyou poor idiot you missed the game of the century
>why are my workers not mining gold???
>>738933946>invisible retard wins by lamingalpha male af
>>738934163imagine how fucking angry the greedy goblins inside the workshop are that some fucking orc peons are outside asking for gold
>>738934163>>738934490explain
>>738934163Did this really happen?>>738934520That's a neutral shop run by goblins, not a goldmine. She built expansion at a wrong place.
>>738934520she built all the mining equipment to extract gold from something that is not a gold mine.It is in fact, in lore, a den of the greediest race of jews in the Warcraft universe
>>738934163
>>738934621>Did this really happen?Yup. Game 1 of the first series 2 hours ago or so.
Still never installing Reforged
>>738934785they added back the original 1.29 client to battle net, you can download it now
>>738934163girls are the cutest when they are a little retarded
>>738934814I always had the 1.31.1 client They removed online when they killed WC3 so it's only for LAN now
>>738934785reminder that the big controversy in Reforged was "they remastered the cutscenes but not enough".>but what about the stuff they removed?It was all added back one week later.
>>738927356Watching aoe2 instead because it's objectively better and mbl is on
>>738934828>little retardedThis is severely retarded though. Like legally retarded.
>>738935058No it was that they killed the original client for a worse version, retard.
>>738935091wow I can't wait to see who builds more archers
>>738935167You mean the main menu that you spend 10 seconds in? The client in the actual game was faster and more optimized than pre-Reforged.
>>738935167>worse versionbecause it doesn't have what? Support for "clans"?
>the woman will throw the game
>one side has Hera, the other side has a woman
>floating 2000 (TWO THOUSAND) gold
Simply will save team Alpha by the way
>>738935058>the big controversy in Reforged was "they remastered the cutscenes but not enough".KILL YOURSELF. Do the world a favor.
>>738935449>the woman won the game by baiting
>>738935940you go first since you're a sheep and sheep get butcheredthis isn't reddit you don't get upvotes for going with the herd
>oh no, dantes is coming
>chuds BTFO
>>738936032>the woman has top xp and top kda
>>738936040How are you even able to type. IQ of a cockroach.
>>738936216I have free will, imagine thatoh wait you can't
>>738928016Anon we are laughing at the pros, wc3 Is the lowest of the big RTS
>>738931146>>738936120She's cute, but does she have autism or something? When Grubby was teaching her the game she sounded mildly retarded.
>>738936376she's a woman anon, 30% of her brain capacity is dedicated to "I need to look and sound good in front of people" at all times.40% when in front of a crowd when she glances at chat constantly.Very little space is left for thinking or listening to a coach
>>738935058At release? >Lack of custom campaigns>No player profiles>No cross-region play for custom games>No clans>No ladder>No tournament Mode>Original Battle.net chat system removed>TFT balance for RoC campaign
>>738936647this is why we need feminism
>>738936721Elaborate
Why is this a thing?If there's a game that has had enough humiliation rituals, it's WC3...shit like >>738934163 is just sad, why are these people even playing this game when they don't give a shit about it? they aren't even having fun
>>738936823> "I need to look and sound good in front of people" at all times.The pressure to look good is detrimental to them, but I understand it's not so simple, all things being equal looking better will always grant a oversized benefit and it's not really something we can easily change, it's part of human nature.
>>738935058>a week laterdoesn't matteryou try to scam me once? you ain't getting a second chance
>>738937016the problem is that in an absence of men, in a world where males have all been exterminated and women rule the Earth, they would still think that way - they are way harsher than men. They're just less loud
>>738937016sounds gay
>Where were youPlaying a better RTS.
>>738937171nah, it's a bandwagon thing.No Man's Sky? Forgiven.Warcraft Reforged?It has THE lowest user metascore of any game ever made. Worse than ET or Superman 64, worse than the pay to win Diablo Immortal for mobile, worse than Hotel Mario.And it's a playable multiplayer game with no bugs, a big user base and flawless gameplay.It's just sheeple being sheeple.
>>738937396while Hera is playing Warcraft
>>738935058faggot baiter kys
>>738927356Ignoring it because this game is fucking boring.
>>738936893people makes mistakes, she's doing better now, the matches are actually interesting
>>738937583nope, I'm still right.
>>738937627I can't think of a game that is more fun to watch
I went to get a sweet victory on echo isles in human mirrorpaladin rifles and its consequences have been disasterous for the human players
>>738931090>>If only you knew how bald things really are
>dantes finally useful
>>738937834Never thought I'd see it. Anything to get the head dent fuck get shit on.
Herabros, we are so back
>>738938003this, watching tyler1 lose is so fun
I honesty was hoping Blizzard was gonna do what AoE DE did and actually add new content and even races. I will forever be disappointed.
>>738938030Simply is going to roll him
>>738934520Money can be exchanged for goods and services.
Here bros!
>>738938190the reception at launch killed it forever, everyone on the team was fired 10 days later.It may be a blessing in disguise because AoE is getting flanderized and flooded with gimmicks
>>738927356>the entire tournament is AI slopwhat the fuck man...
Tyler is washed
>>738938487What the fuck do you mean?
>>738938308Even if the reception was bad it was still better than nothing. Before the whole Reforged show WC3 had like no attention at all.
>>738936120Would
>>738928174Why? He seems ok
>>738938702>I would have sex with an attractive adult femalewoah there mate
>>738936376Worse... She's Filipino....
Why does Dantes keep doing this dogshit start?
>>738938851Because dark ranger can solo any hero 1v1 with life drain but he still somehow manages to fuck it up.
>>738938556the absolute stateliterally everything is AI generated
>>738938831>asian latinaI'm already simping, you don't need to make it worse
>>738938851He's mentally retarded and it's the only strat that was simple enough for based Mr Saul to be able to teach hom
>>738938949And by everything you mean the one piece of art?
>>738938949>this screen is literally everything
>>738938995retard
>>738938949oh, who gives a flying fuck, are you an "artist"?
Test comment
>>738939053TEST GOES INTO ALL FIELDS
>mfw I get my pit lord killed
>>738938995>>738939001no, by everything I mean everything, all the graphics they've shown on stream are slop, the brackets were slop, the info-graphics were slop, I don't really care but it's just weird, might as well just have bots playing against each other and commentate over that at that pointjust surprised is all
God, WC3 normal MP is fucking boring
>>738939206You think the player pictures are AI generated? No anon they're real people.
>>738939235jerma playing shitty custom games on bnet yesterday was way more entertaining, yeah
>>738939053hello newfagt.oldtroon
>>738939206literally no one cares about, it's a good use case for AI actually
>>738939272no anon... just forget it, jesus christ
>>738937396AOE2 costs like $200 ($35 game, $167 DLC) thoughbeit
>>738939348>it's a good thing actually
>>738939514yep, it's a troon "artist"
orc is op in 4v4, no?
>>738939206>I don't really care but I'm gonna seethe about it on a mongolian sheep herding forum
How does one decide whether to go Flyings, Dragonhawks or Rifles for anti air?
>>738939458but I can play as the Roman Empire in AoE2 with only the base game so why would I waste money on the DLC?
>>738939593That and 2x ud doing worms for nothing
>>738939648to play competitive
>>738939206umso?I don't care. AI is pretty cool.
>>738931146pre-ripped jeans is the dumbest shit I've ever seen>yes i will pay $70 for damaged clothing, thank u
>>738939754AND skipping the entire roster of humanimagine if there were spellbreakers vs bloodlust roar rejuv taurens
>>738938792He actually has a very fragile ego and can't take any criticism well. He also can dish out banter, but doesn't know how to take it.Overall he hides his real self pretty well for the average person, but if you've seen enough of him, you can tell as clear as day.
>>738940050Spotted the Dota 2 player.
>mario speedrunner is going to beat hera
>>738939203>homo erectus looking motherfucker
>>738939458Yeah good devs produce more good things and people pay for it, if blizzard make dlc expansion to WC3 on the same level as Chronicles then people would pay for it.But they won't so there is only base Refunded.
team ALPHA had the better comms, does having a female in the team makes thing better? Since people want to behave their best around girls.
>>738939795I'm not trans, sorry.
>>738940217aoe2 races are just clones of themselves with certain units or techs disabled/enabled and 1 unique unit and some passive text bonuses thrown in.
>>738938792Miserable retards can't stand to see someone that is happy, successful, and confident.
>>738940265Team alpha is literally a team of retards
>>738940428they are winning
>>738940265they have a professional coach who takes on a leadership role in the team
High TTK games are such a fucking slog.
>>738940141Played that game a total of 2 hours. Don't like how it looks and I was already more invested in league at that time. Now league is shit and I don't enjoy mobas.
>>738940534>NOOO I NEED SC2 GOOKCLICK WHERE EVERYTHING DIES IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>738940507That explains it, leadership is the most important force multiplier, the other team was a mess.
>>738940507Yamato is a literal grifter who has never done anything of worth in league. There's a reason why he 'retired'.
>>738940534Different tastes. I could never get into cod and cs because of that and would desperately play dead arena shooters. Same with warcraft vs starcraft and aoe.
>>738940592Even subpar leadership is better than no leadership.
>>738940334as someone who watches him frequently he's sadly none of those things, I feel kinda bad for him sometimes
>>738937396aoe2 DE being a better release than reforged doesn't close the gap between them, which is massive. wc3 is several leagues above aoe2, and I like aoe2
>>738940265Team Omega has Dantes, who's genuinely retarded. Like, all joking aside.Even a woman has to do better than a mentally disabled person.
Lots of slant eyes in this thread.SC is shit and so are your nations. Only RTS worth playing these days is BAR.
>>738940689BAR is unwatchable, so boring and drab
On the one hand, Hera is somewhat the most likable guy so I kinda want to root for him. At least for team Omega, since Dantes had the best training arc and formed the best comedic duo with mr Saul, the Pala Rifle guy is pretty funny and the Night Elf POE autist is pretty fucking good at the game himself.On the other hand, Yamato is just too impressive and it's almost unfair how bad he's gonna shit on everyone else. Human is also a kino race so I want to root for him, but he's too strong so I probably won't.It's probably down to rooting for Hera while knowing Yamato clears. The PoE stinky night elf is my pocket pick
>>738940771>Human is also a kino raceyou mean OP race, right?
>>738939206>all the graphics they've shown on stream are slop, the brackets were slop, the info-graphics were slop, I don't really care but it's just weird, might as well just have bots playing against each other and commentate over that at that pointwtfif the tournament isn't about the gameplay, but the graphics used on the brackets page then why would you be interested in watching ti begin with? i honestly don't get it.
>>738927356Game is too focuced on micromanagement and heroes and slow as fuck for building up armiesReal gamers attack move with armies and carefully scout and expand and the resources come in fast so you need high apm
>>738940771>HU winning YET another streamer invitational tournament I have human fatigue, bros.
herabros...
>>738940863Slow as fuck armies? You can fight in 2 mins vs 20 mins in some rts games.
Haven't warched the coaching much, does tyler have any chance vs hera?Hera's apm is crazy but had 0 game knowledge and was incredibly slow to cacth on basic shit like building placenent
>>738940295And? They are an equivalent of selling you high elves that are just humans with all units reskined to elves, some tiny stat changes and their own campaign.If done by devs that care it would be great and people would pay for it.
>>738927356Not giving a shit, because only faggots cared.
You can't make spiders vs Simply because he will just raise the scuttlebugs in a big jamboree
>>738940863it is more for skilled players yes
>>738938949>>738938487Love watching luddites seethe
>>738941025In wc3 and most rts games other races have unique units and not just copy pasted soldiers so..
we are back
>>738937504No Man's Sky has done a whole lot more to earn forgiveness
>>738941125gigi murin hates ai though
>>738941321Don't give a shit
fat night elf slut brutally RAPED
holy shit lmao NE micro at its finest
>>738940863W3 fights are decided in seconds, similar to bullseye onagers a quick surround or spell combo can turn a fight.Also, if you're not scouting properly you will get curbatstomped by cheese builds like mass tanks or air
return of the king
>>738937396I tried to play aoe2 but it just didnt pull me in i also prefer the visuals of wc3
>>738940837I meant aesthetically.>>738940870It has more to do with the fact that the guy is a professional coach with access to a bunch of other professional coaches.Anyway fuck humans just tell me who you root for and whyAs we can all see, undead is the busted race anyway>>738940978They met on ladder as I recall and Hera cleared.
>>738940837>human is OPhave you played the game?
>>738940913we are so back
>>738941605I thought Hera was the favorite
>>738941273yeah it also costs double and has a larger team working on it
Imagine being "undefeated gigamaster" in your rts game and still getting almost defeatedby a super mario speedrunner.
People don't shit on undead enough. They're impossible to beat if they decide to just chill in their base for the rest of the game. And once they regroup, they come back with infinity mana from statues and ritual, inifinity health from statues and ritual. They have infinity summons in early game and can expand and still have enough time to cancel your expo. And good luck cancelling theirs, while forced to fight on blight.>>738941903As far as I'm concerned, he was the favorite until people saw Yamato grinding 18 hour streams and being coached by the some of the best players in the world. Yamato also just has a better game sense in general and a lot more years of experience.
>>738942101You don't win in this game if you just chill in your base because hero mechanic.
>>738942101>>738941903Confirmed. Fuck that I'm rooting for Pohx now, dirty unwashed hippy that he presents himself as. Plays a kino race and has the best type of autism.
>>738942164The issue with that is that if you're harassing the UD to make sure he doesn't leave his base, you're not leveling your heroes either.
>>738942031Simply's autism is higher level, he's a maladjusted mentally ill Nintendo fan, this gives him an edge over the well adjusted tournament gamers
>>738942512thoughts on simpy's speedrun autism vs pox's minmaxing autism?
>>738942294Just let him sit in his base then and take the map for yourself.
>>738942614So then he's got no reason to be in his base and he gets to farm the map same as I do with no late game disadvantage for having played like shit early. Basically what happened in the first simply vs hera game where hera lost a bunch of ghouls with no repercussions. Meanwhile watch simply get completely shit on due to this attack
why do nelves go naga second if they get the slow from dryad anyway
>>738942568Simply has the perfection of movements, Pox is a scholar.Simply is brutal but kunnin'Pox is kunnin' but brutal
>>738940050every pro player has a vicious side, this is not a revelation
>>738942896You can get it instantly after teching to t2 while dryads needs another building + train time.
>>738937396>remaster vs remasterVery nice, let's see the original games.
>>738942896you get a 2 minute window of bullying with her.
>grubby listing undead mistakes>undead still gonna winfuck those rotten heathens
Is the fat night elf guy playing naked?He looks like he's shiftless. Can the girl follow his example?
>>738943351>ne didn't do any mistakes
undeadchads rise up
>>738943310>>738943162so why not just chill for 2 min and get a hero that scales better like panda? it's not like the nelf plan is to win in tier 2 anyway
>>738927356I don't get it, why are these random people playing wc3?
>>738943548money
>>738943520>chill for 2 min>just chill for 10% of a full game
>>7389435202mins is a long time in wc3 esspecially in the midgame where you contest the important camps, also panda is kinda situational, his breath has a max amount of damage it can deal so if you hit too many units with it, they dont take as much damage
>>738943471He shouldn't have expanded but he would have been able to win vs any other race after that fight in the middle. Or at least cause significant damage to the UD base to justify the expo>>738943482Oh we're t3 already? Alright, time to rise up from our base and go winman fuck undead
>>738943548competition, money, content, fame
>>738943520Maybe it's not that apparent in these matches but normally you wanna get bears as fast as possible as night elf so you only really have demonhunter + few archers. Without instant 2nd hero you are very vulnerable for midgame and naga is good for giving demon and archers quick boost. Otherwise you will be so weak for so long.
>>738943602there's no way there's money to be made in wc3, is there some oil king sponsoring this as a hobby or something?
>>738943760Bro it's just your typical 4chan blackpiller who says that everyone only lives for money and is a grifter or jew.
>>738943760yes, grubby.
>>738943760grubby has 17k viewers right now, but yes blizzard funded the price money of 10k
>>738943641>>738943656chill as in creep, as opposed to harassing the enemy or whatever it is that you can do with naga better than with other heroes.I don't mean to say Panda is absolutely better but naga just seems like a waste of a slot. You wouldn't train Paladin after finding devotion on the floor. I guess you would, but not level devotion. Or you could sell the aura item. Shit, you know what I mean.Anyway if you all say naga is better I'll take your word for it
>>738943760blizzard is sponsoring the tournament, I think It's like 8 or 10k.
>>738943868>grubby has 17k viewers right nowhow many of those are real?
Grubstery is our guy, dunno what you tards have against him.
>>738943676cope
>>738943719I guess I always thought that you train 2 dryads before bears+bear mastery+ t3. Makes sense though, thanks.The idea being that you have to micro like crazy and kite everyone?
Who is the Artosis of WC3?Also which race is the Terran equivalent? (Highest skill requirements, most honourable players, weakest race)
>>738944000If you play this game like just try it. Have demonhunter and 4 archers. What can you do? But now add naga the instant you reach t2, skill frost arrows, and start ramming your demon into the slowed enemies.
>>738942896>Warden sucks outside first hero against human>Priestess of the Moon is mostly used as first hero for huntress shenanigans or super late game last hero just for the owl scout ability>Keeper is better for early game when opponent lacks dispellThey really don't have a choice. Naga is considered the best tavern hero to get after going tier 2 thanks to slow arrows impairing opponent's ability to micro back injured units. In fact the ability to buy naga instantly at tier 2 is so strong it lets you get the map control against a 2 base human while you are in 1 base because naga impairs ability of human player to micro back injured units and she buys you enough time to get your bears before fast expanding human reaches tier 2. Sometimes other races go for tavern heroes too just for instant map control but naga is most common. And naga herself doesn't scale badly, her forked lightning hits hard.
>>738943942i mean its 4x his usual viewer numbers, but for such a big event with week long advertising, seems not impossible?>>738944035ToD and the race should be human then?
>>738941903>>738942218Guess we finna find out now in this finals spoiler. The filthy and dishonest undead will be CLEANSED BY THE HOLY LIGHT.>>738944035>Who is the Artosis of WC3?Unironically Grubby is the most proeminent figure in the W3 scene. He also has a gook wife for what it's worth.>Also which race is the Terran equivalentUnironically and unsurprisingly, Human>Highest skill requirementsmilitia creeping and intricate distribution of resources>weakest raceas confirmed by the best human player
>>738943351Glory to the scourge
>>738944093I do but I never know what the right time for harassment is. I also seem to lose at least one of the 4 archers a couple of seconds into my first encounter with the enemy. I think I just overcommit rather than just being an annoyance.>>738944116>impairing opponent's ability to micro back injured unitsThis makes sense but when I envision it I just see my units getting killed while chasing. Haven't tried it in a while though, thanks. I'll give it a shot.
god tyler is so fucking annoying
>>738940141I play both wc3 and dota (gee, almost as if one comes from the other...) and never "got" what's so great about grubman. He joins dota, fucks around, leaves as soon as he realizes Valve isn't hooking him up, goes back to wc3Okay then..? The whole time ppl are dicksuckin like this kid's the second coming. I guess someone needs to fill the eceleb slot
>>738944556yeah, I hate this style of youtuber/streamer
>>738944237>seems not impossible?I mean, I'd like to believe it because I at least appreciate him trying to keep wc3 afloat but the guy has been a blatant viewbotter since his hots days also him not having the join streams together thing setup is the more telling thing that the bots are probably a substantial number
>>738944576He "left" because it was never in his intentions to main Dota.
Heroes of the Storm was better than DotA or LoL btw
>>738944745what happened to the vm threads...
>>738938003>>738938127T1 is playing a character. He doesn't care
>>738944576>leaves as soon as he realizes Valve isn't hooking him up, goes back to wc3Hook him up how? Anyway grubby does this shit often. He played league for a while and just last month reached (I wouldn't know the number) but pretty high aoe2 MMR. He plays plenty games>>738944595I have personally never watched a grubby stream live before but based mr saul coaching dantes made me hype enough to watch it. The training arcs were kino as well, even when watching the unknowns, like that german pala rifle player. It wouldn't surprise me if other casual yt grubby watchers were doing the same>>738944556>>738944587Again I think watching streamers is gay but T1 seems alright as far as they go. It's clear he's playing a character with regards to his raging and screaming and it's working out well enough for him. He doesn't seem to be taking himself that seriously
>>738944858it's an annoying character that only appeals to kids and low iq morons
>>738928174Hi Tod
>>738944904I don't care if he's actually a manchild or just playing a manchild on the internetHe's still fucking annoying to listen to.
>>738944930was Tod the one that got arrested for raping a minor during wings of liberty?
>>738944858>they don't know that I'm actually PRETENDING to be retardedOk?
>>738944858>T1 is playing a character.anon think he's watching a method actor kek
>>738941586How? Original AoE2 is an incredible looking game to this day and got actual visual updates while WC3 looked like shit day 1.
>>738944576it's just cool to watch a proven good gamer learn your game from the start. that was the main appeal of grubby from the start.
>>738944968yea that's fair. last year he made a pretty good comedic duo with grubby and I enjoyed watching them, but I couldn't stand listening to him more than once every few months i guess
>>738928174based and true
yamato was floating so much gold
human sissy brutally RAPED by undead GOD
hume-bros... it's over
>>738944263>as confirmed by the best human player>what do you MEAN I can't just bank 3000gold the entire midgame??
undead has no counters
>>738945217Yes could perma repaired the expo and still come ahead in resources unless ud figured out to start killing peasants.
>>738945050Well i guess i will redownload it and try are there custom games ? And shit that could be ez for beginner
it's like anutha scourge
>>738944576I only watch Grubby's youtube videos while I'm eating but he's good and incredibly knowledgeable about the game, showcases a good balance between high-MMR competitive play and random off-meta/cheese/challenge matches while also being pretty chill. I know there's some anon who's on a crusade against him and insists that he's a real piece of shit but just good at hiding it but honestly I've never seen it, every once in a while you can tell he might be legitimately tilted but outwardly tries to remain calm but since when is it a bad thing that you can remain composed instead of screaming at the top of your lungs when you're inconvenienced?
Yamato 0 wood all game, that extra 100 elo doesn't seem legit right now
>>738928174I wish one day the grubster will return to dota
>>738927356A girl in high school bought me this game back in 2009. I fucked hated and when I told her, she said it was sad because it was her favorite game ever. We slowly stopped talking. A TF2 update dropped a few days later and I forgot about the whole ordeal.
>>738940050I can see it. It's the typical Western arrogance hidden behind wholesomeness and false niceties. He's alright in small doses though and I don't wish him cancer>>738945261Almost as if the lumber mill upgrades are fucking useless for the first 5 minutes. Sorry mr skeletal, we can't all collect 20 lumber a piece from the start.Fuck I hope the cannonmeister clears this unholy swine
>>738945217>>738945362hera got tilted and lost 100 mmr last night per grubbyanyway floating 1k gold is not uncommon for fast expo human. I know for a fact I saw it happen in a few grubby games as well>>738945262no anon you don't get it you're just supposed to win all the fights and then uhhh... go creep and hope UD doesn't?
>>738945362it's because he tried to t2 before this expo was up so he couldn't make more vils
>>738945435>uhm I just can't make more of this 75g 1supply unit I gotta bank up gold for my big T3 lategame army pls don't attack me beforehand
>>738945352nta, but I don't anyone thinks Grubby is a bad person or whatever, he just devolved into the average streamer that does thing for the sake of views rather than genuine interest so I get why there's a lot of people that dislike him nowadays, he's just spineless in a lot of ways I guess
>>738945435desu yamato had the lumberpeasants on the slow side + early tech and 7 powerbuild fucked him hard
>>738945642Yeah what would be better for views than streaming a dead 25 year old video game.
>>738945760TTS that generates AI slop images flying across the screen while paying a 27 year old game
>>738945760for grubby, nothing, which is why he does it, his name connected to wc3 is all he has
>>738945613Again, we don't all have access to 8 footmen for 150 gold. Humans unfortunately have to decide between using militia or harvesting lumber.>>738945758yea he fucked up. bright lights and suchthe point stands that undead is getting a lot less punishment for its mistakes
that was an idra quit
NERVOUS YOU UNDEAD SWINE???
Hera pulled an IdrA move
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO
I'm dead
>>738934163Why wouldn't this work? Goblins have lots of gold.
rotten faggots are being REAL quiet
>>738945882Its really easy to be the attacker in wc3
>>738945410yeah, you're a dumbfuck
>>738934163women were a mistake
>>738946050the game is boring as fuck. Top down isometric games are lame.
>>738946103
>>738945410So you missed out on the greatest game in existence and free pussy? Double faggot.
>>738946183he wasn't playing Brood War though?
>>738946212hey artosis, going to korea soon?
>>738945040When you make hundreds of thousands playing vidya. Who gives a shit
>>738941109Micro is for faggots, macro is funWarcraft 3 can be won entirely with hero units. Its a shit game.
this is it bros
>>738928112Hera is a pro age of empires 2 player, won like 13 S-tier tournaments in a row.>>738928269He is not even top 20 anymore he is retired and washed up like the vipur.>>738929568I am rooting for Hera the AOE 2 goat and Pohx.>>738936376>Grubby explains basic concepts that she would have learned from playing the game>Help I am overwhelmedNah that is just typical female shit
>>738946417micro is the best part, throwing a sneaky grenade or placing mines or exploding a satchel while your enemy doesnt watch is one of my favourite parts in my squad based ww2 rts games
>>738932516Hera is on a league of it's own. Maybe contested with Heartt. Seba is good, just not as good. Honestly, I don't know how people still watch big tornaments knowing Hera is just gonna steamroll them, as the last RedBull.
>>738939458>167 canadian dollarsYou do not buy animated icons and soundtrack that is like minus 20 canadian dollars.The base game is well worth 25 canadian dollars, you can wait for a sale on the actual dlcs
zamn heras creep route was sick, am couldn't get it up (to lvl3) while bcs he took the murlocs
>>738946417micro adds the human element of skill and chaos to the game, it's what separates it from turn based strategy
>>738946835yea yamato fucked up real bad. I don't understand how and why he panicked so bad
>>738940507Hera suffers from success, he is not necessarily a good leader, in age of empires 2 he has very talented team members he just has to play his role and they play theirs and team tournaments are rarer. Pohx has no leadership experience, Maxim is german and Dantes is retarded
>>738945642Doesn't he play other shit as well? I don't watch his streamer content but he does talk about playing other stuff in his WC3 videos. That being said, he's primarily a WC3 streamer and he's interested in it, no? For a 20+ year old game he still gives the impression that he's pretty passionate about it.
>>738944035Protoss is the weakest race.
undead is just unbeatable. fucking even dantes won
INSANE FROST NOVATHEY'RE ALL DEAD
>>738947245ape hands made this post
>celebrity boxing: wc3 editionHoly zoomer poggers clap clap
INSANE use of an AOE targeted nuke and GENIUS healing a unit to full health (alternating with single target half health MK nuke)
WC3 seems like a extreme snowball game, as soon as you get an advatange with a hero it's over, you win battles, you level up more, you win more
no xqc no watch
>>738945362Hera actually properly learned undead, Yamatocannon plays very passive as human because he didn't learn properly or he got taught wrong, a good player like Hera can skill check him
In the end, death claims all. As it should be.Eat shit, human scum.
Humaniggers in shambles
>>738947639going pussymode expo vs UD is wacktylercels seething
>>738947606Unless you're undead and you just hide in your base on blight among 100 towers until you're ready to go back out
human sisters...not like this
>>738947740But how can you come back from a level disadvantage? Seems impossible.
>>738947606If that was true then everyone would just play early game pressure heroes or rush all the time but that's not what happens, it's not like you can destroy someone's base just because you creepjack them once
>>738947804>t.
>>738947740sounds like a skill issue, just fastcreep am3 vs UD and bully DK, then expo when UD gets locked in their cuck cage
Nigger1 and Dantes getting shat on. Good end to the stream.Can't wait for tomorrow.
holy shit based POHX going for the honor battle. I'm a poxhead now and I'll henceforth main elf>>738947841>then expo when UD gets locked in their cuck cagebut if I'm busy expanding... then who is keeping DK in the cage?
>>738947206I can't really speak for him if he's still actually interested in wc3 or whatever, frankly he seems to just treat it as something he knows his audience will watch when he doesn't have anything else he can be doing instead. Basically, what he's been doing for a couple of years is he picks up a game and he tries to learn it and be good at it for a while to capture some of that audience and carry it over because he can always get in contact with streamers from those and so on, then he tries to get those streamers to learn wc3 and teach them. I personally like the guy but I don't watch him anymore because it's clear he doesn't really care about those games and just ditches wc3 completely for long periods of time and then suddenly loves wc3 again. It's a weird cycle, how he personally feels about it, I have no clue but it is what it is.
The dumb whore is a 6 at best and she sounds like a 60 year old chainsmoking auntie. Aren't there hotter dumb broads willing to play in the tourney?
EZ 10k for Herathey can already wire him the money
>>738948151your army? it doesn't need to be present if the UD gets locked in the shed. I forgot to mention fast creeping am3 usually includes taking a goldmine camp. this works on most maps except concealed hill, but there you can just creep it and let UD breathe for a sec. also when you lock UD in their shed you should take all their creep camps.
>>738948289Pohx or Cannon will download his dishonest UD playstyle and wipe the floor with him
>>738947838>>738947832So no answer? Simple snowball game, might as well gg after the first engagement.
>>738948151You don't need your army standing around to help your peasants build
>>738948385>I forgot to mention fast creeping am3 usually includes taking a goldmine campThen you're talking about a different scenario wherein you don't win fights vs ud in the map because you've already commited to expo and have to defend it, versus an undead with 4 footmen for 150g who more often than not has cleared his expo before you did if he decided to go for it. if that's the case he also has infinity beetles too by the way>also when you lock UD in their shed you should take all their creep camps.if he's a complete retard who hasn't done it before you did, yeah.
desu the woman isn't even that bad. she's not amazing, don't get me wrong, but if she just listens to what people tell her to do, she actually stands a chance of beating dantes.
Dantes vs Mary grudge match let's go
>>738948484>you don't need to clear the gold mine >you don't need to defend your expo while it's being built
>>738945410>missed out on a great game AND pussyWhat a fucking fumble, anon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTIzpZXv3bc
great games really fun
>>738948589we have based mr saul to thank for it>>738948573nah, she's stupid, obnoxious and really not that attractive at all
>>738948440If you're so certain snowballing is so decisive in this game then why don't you just queue up a game and rush your opponents with early game heroes until you're at the top of the ladder? You're 0.2 levels ahead of your opponent's first hero after last hitting one creep, surely the game is in the bag.
>>738939458>$167 DLC
>>738948691She's average looking, which is fine. She was also a lot more useful in the team based games than the retard Dantes. His only contribution was in game two where he actually made enough wyrms and joined the fight.Fitting that a retarded jungler nigger just does his own shit in Africa instead of assisting his team when they need him most.
>>738948694So what are some comeback mechanics built into this game again?Zero?
>>738945293there are quirk maps like exploding kings or infinite stacking upgrades, but dont expect anything on the level of spellcraft, ninja, loap, gay heaven and so on.Standard multiplayer can be brutal to beginners, the matchmaking fucks you up
>>738948842Micro and human error. If it was just a spreadsheet game then it would be truly no comebacks.
>>738948842Different heroes, units and strategies are good at different stages of the game and having an advantage early in the game does not mean you will decisively be able to end the game because of it. You could go for an all-in when you're ahead but your opponent defends his base well and you make more mistakes than him and end up losing the engagement, or you invested heavily into a strategy that means you have a stronger army out in the field but you can't quite crack his base and your army will fall off once he techs up and gets better units. Is this your first time playing an RTS?
>>738948838lmao
Tyler must regret picking Yamato for his ace, all Hera needs to win is to not throw by attacking the town center instead of villagers
>>738949053undead are the hardest to expand against honestly no way tyler could have known that. Deathnote probably spinning watching those games though after all the couching.
>>738948962let's take any other RTS you fight for control of a certain area with resources, like gold or food in aoe2 or mass generators in TAslop, if you lose an engagement, it sets you back that amount of resources and units, but you can reposition and invest in another area where the enemy isn't as focused, but in WC3 on top of losing access to those resources and losing your units, the enemy heroes level up and become objectively stronger than yours, now every engagement, all things being equal will be a loss for you and there's nothing you can do about it, the game is over unless the enemy suddenly starts playing like garbage.And the game doesn't seem to have anytihing to counter this snowball effect.
>>738949147Tyler should have watched games from both as they are his competition, he would be able to tell that Yamato can't fight before minute 10 and Hera will win any fight before then and snowball
>>738949053They had to build up the tyler vs hera rivalry to have some kind of content so they couldn't be on the sam eteam, everyone knows Hera wins this thing, Yamato is just some unc, Hera is in his prime as a pro RTS player, there's no real contest here.
>>738948627How is he attacking your expo if he's in the cuck cage?
>>738948838yeah, she was unironically much more useful in the 4v4, even when they basically razed her base to the ground. kudos to whoever made the call, and kudos to her for listening.
>>738948838>Fitting that a retarded jungler nigger just does his own shit in Africa instead of assisting his team when they need him most.kekShe was helpful and definitely moreso than Dantes but it seemed like Dantes would go out of his way to be a useless piece of shit. Even during his training, Saul would tell him to train fiends and Dantes would say "FUCK THAT GAY SHIT MR SAUL" which makes for very funny content but further proves just how brainded Dantes is.>She's average lookingShe reminds me of busybody nerds who end up working in HR bossing nobodies around, taking advantage of her position of power after being 160cm 45kg all of her life and she has the voice of a chainsmoker. Maybe it's just me though
>>738949637Why is he in the cuck cage if you're busy with your expo?
>>738948962That's not a comeback mechanic.
>>738949553>Yamato is just some uncHe's a professional coach with access to the best w3 coaches. Having game sense and knowing how to learn a game is much more important than high APM or whatever it is that hera brings to the table. In theory at least, Yamato made some huge blunders tonight and I can't figure out why. He shouldn't be panicking like he did
>>738928269No, he's very mid these days and certainly not competitive. Meanwhile Happy is busy thrashing everyone nonstop.
>>738950398he plays undead, so
>>738950428Undead was considered the worst race until Happy started dunking on everyone.
>>738928269he was the best orc many many many years ago. right now he's just the most famous. which is fine btw.
>>738949959Good question, I guess he wasn't boxed in turtling and we're having a regular match?
>>738950341>Having game sense and knowing how to learn a game is much more important than high APM or whateverIt clearly isn't, WC3 is micro intensive and winning engagements leads to snowballing.
>>738950589it's not a regular match since a regular race can't take advantage of having won all of the fights and go end since UD base is impossible to beat until late in the 3rd tier
>>738950681I mean what do I know, but most pros will tell you that having good macro and game planning is much more important than microing in fights.Building TH with 10 peasants is a good example of a huge macro fuck up. There's also the matter of creep routes and more importantly not fast expoing vs undead
>>738950681All strategy games lead to snowballing. It's fucking dogshit and I hate it. I prefer something like Rocket League where scoring a goal doesn't make it harder for the other team to score them in return.
>>738950681Snowballing is fine as long as games aren't long. Without snowballing why would you ever try to play for early anyway.
>>738951186Rocket League is too snowbally, you're way ahead if you get a full boost and they don't. Might as well just let them score if they're ahead in boost.
>>738950341>He's a professional coach with access to the best w3 coaches. Having game sense and knowing how to learn a game is much more important than high APM or whatever it is that hera brings to the table. In theory at least, Yamato made some huge blunders tonight and I can't figure out why. He shouldn't be panicking like he didHis coach is pissed, Yamato's mmr is inflated because low elo's don't know how to rush and he never learned how to counter play and he didn't absorb all the high level coaching. Coach is even calling him bad in the game he won
>>738951298As a solid champ level player you're very wrong. Boost management is a skill in of itself. I never ran out of boost.
>>738951186Nah, it's not inherent to strategy games and anyone who tells you it is is full of shit.
>>738951348As a solid top ladder player you're very wrong. Playing around timings is a skill in and of itself. I never lost due to pressure from snowballing.
>>738951186>this player is playing well. Punish him!alright
>>738951437Rocket League has no timings. You're literally just making shit up.
>>738951318How is that his fucking fault and not the game's for not teaching him?
>>738951186>>738951262Snowball is an inherent part of strategy, but the hero mechanics reinforce it even further and I don't see anything else to counter it, I guess that's just the style of the game and leads to shorter straightfoward matches which a lot of people enjoy.
>>738951550No it's not, you are a faggot.
>>738945854Artosis?
>>738946627>Maybe contested with Hearttwtf nah
>>738951514You will never get good if you do not try to learn
>>738951619How is he supposed to learn if the game is not teaching him?
>>738951491If someone has already effectively won why drag it out by making everyone wait for the snowball to reach the bottom of the hills?>>738951550Snowball is only inherent if the developers want it to be. Games exist that have tried to avoid or at least negate it, which almost always comes down to point scoring of some sort. Netrunner and KeyForge are examples of card games that tried to do this and were actually pretty good games.
>>738951550Where are you getting your sample when you say fast matches? Games below top 10% can be quite long because people don't know how to close their wins and even top games can sometimes stretch.
>>738951663Desu long games make low level players not want to play the game because of how mentally exhausting they are.
>>738951696Ok so both short and long are now bad.
>>738949867I almost lost it when he tried to get the others to "play around him" while he masses Wyrms, which he couldn't even do.It's incredible how he has like one single strat and can't even pull that off, or has even tried practicing it.
>>738951750I never said that. Personally I think shorter matches are better in literally all genres.
mary is actually just straight up better than dantes
>>7389520940-2
if hera does better than viper will that prove that that aoe2 pros are just lazy and don't train?
>>738952094With them it's more about who's gonna do the most retarded shit in the game to put themselves behind.Currently her goblin shop mining expo is unmatched in stupidity. Hilarious though. Can't wait for the next series.
>>738951643>Snowball is only inherent if the developers want it to be. Just think about how a RTS is played, you units are your means to cause damage to the enemy, if you lose an engagement, you lose space to maneuver, you lose the offensive potential of those units, the resources invested and whatever map control was it that you were fighting over, all these small elements grant the player an advantage on the next engagement and so on.Compare it to a game that doesn't have snowball by default like soccer, after a team scores a goal, you reset the entire playing field to what it was at the beginning.>Games exist that have tried to avoid or at least negate iIf you need to add mechanics to counter it, it means that is indeed inherent.
>>738951643>why doesn't the game end even if I have 1 peon hiding in a corner somewhereif you feel you've lost, alt qq nigger, people drawing games out was mentioned 3+ times in today's stream alone>>738951318I guess I haven't been following as closely as I could. It still seems like a matter of bad luck where Hera happens to have studied the strat which ly fucks Yamato the most. Doesn't he play one base as well though? That should improve his chances greatly vs Hera>>738951790>It's incredible how he has like one single strat and can't even pull that off, or has even tried practicing it.He hasn't taken the game seriously once and I'm not sure how well he'd fare if he did. Seriously, Saul would tell him to level up his abilities 3 times in a row and Dantes would just stare absentmindedly at the screen. Tourneys needs clowns as well though and he's funny enough
>>738952392Wc3 is easier than aoe2 so...id get it>>738927356Anyways why are you watching an e-celeb tournament? They didn't even train for longThey are like platinum in sc2/lol(lol's harder in this zone) terms
>>738952094she only does well when she has a man telling her what to do
>>738952714saul ape man is very entertaining
>>738927838god forbid men have some fun once in a while
>>738951601yesat least he has a clean feed on youtube now so his stream is almost bearable
>>738952714Why are you so salty all the time? It was entertaining.
>>738952714Because it's funny to watch them fail? I find these games and bronze league heroes way more entertaining than watching Happy vs whatever other pro player minmax and play the most meta thing currently. Even Grubby screwing around on ladder against weaker opponents is more fun than him tryharding and doing an ":O" face.Like an inferno punching the tree line in the enemy's main base and nesting towers inside.
remember when T90 crashed out because he couldn't handle not needing to constantly make workers
>>738950545Wasn't he basically the only westerner getting results back in the day?
>>738952940no ToD also had some success
>>738952890whatever happened? I like his casts, it's a shame they didn't get along well
>>738953097He just didn't wanna play. Like only signed up but never played until he had to and then because his performance was so poor he asked to quit.
who is yamatocannon? is he a sc2 player or something?
>>738928928QRD?
>>738952495There are games where parts of that aren't true, and it's also assuming lost engagements are total routs like you're playing SC.
>>738953304LoL coach
>>738937396I like both :)
>>738953308Pro gamer did a tower rush in the wrong base in the year's biggest tournament
>>738953308Pro brood war match on a 3 player mapGuy goes to do a cannon rush against the other player, stops his scout like 1 pixel away from spotting the other guy's workers miningGoes and does his cannon rush at the wrong base, insta loses because of it.
>>738953487>>738953575deserved
Soooo let me guess, the UD is gonna win then 2nd place HU then NE and last ORC like how its been for 20 years? Why even play with shit balance like that?
>>738954812wasn't orc winning every wcg for years?
>>738954850You can't compare a orc player to some braindead Coil Nova tard...
>>738954812Current strongest race rankings (for top players) go as follows:1. Undead2. Orc3. NE4 HumanI personally find humans bullshit and won't accept them being "the least strongest"
>>738954812likely yes
>>738954812>>738955115>giving the strongest race to the strongest playergenius
>>738955115>2. Orc>3. NeWhat retarded ranking is this? Literally go to any tournament and its quarter/finals just ud mirror and hu vs ud...
>>738955202You can faceroll like a retard and still win, it's literally a guaranteed win combined with his micro. Just Ghoul A click go BRRRRRRR
>>738955115That's a huge bowl of bullshit you're spewing here, pros themselves said UD and NE are the weakest and strongest races respectively
what made ne good now? I remember when they were considered garbage and moon was called the 5th race for being able to win with them.
>>738928379Brainrot Endstadium
>>738955425Ne was always weak, tft gigabuffed hu and ud
>>738955425NE was the dominant race for 14 years straight with only human giving them a fight, it's only now they're starting to change things around
>>738955202you can look through the thread and find plenty arguments for why undead are pants on head>>738955425some will attribute it to the wood gathering buff but in truth it's just optimization and metafagging
>>738955608What change? I don't see Moon, Lawliet, Kaho, Life beating Happy, 120 and Lyn 3:0
>>738955764They're getting nerfed
>>738928379There’s a lot of tryhard ecelebs who tuin games for everyone also.
>>738928174This toxic positivity faggot doesnt do anything but smurf on every MMR reset so he can clip farm new players, notice how he takes a break from WC3 anytime he needs to play someone above 1600 MMR. Might be the 2nd biggest faggot besides UnHappy
never 4get
So who was it that brainwashed people into thinking Undead is the “hardest” race?
>>738957042their units are le bad, except their heroes which are god tier
Is this guy gonna cry about Undead the entire thread
Night Elf and Undead are both carried by heroes. I’m reminded why I stuck with StarCraft and Age of Empires over this game.I want to play an RTS, not DotA.
>>738957486there's dozens of us
>>738956990Suddenly i wanna fuck QoE
>>738957042It's the second hardest race, Human is the hardest one
>NE have only 2 good units and 1 good heroFeels bad man
>>738959423>Units and hero being so good they don't need anything else
>>738959423>>738959675I wish mountain giants weren't trash
>>738959739They give too much XP if they get killed
I wish they would do this for AoE2, it would be funny to see the differences.
>>738959873Hera would fucking destroy anyone and it would be a borefest
>>738959423They really need to buff Huntresses.
>>738942896Because NE is broken and the designers and NE players refuse to fix the race or even acknowledge NE Is broken and making the entire game worse in general. Tavern heros are not intended to be regular heros they're supposed to change things up if they're brought onto the map, but NE players are retarded and think that getting the same hero from the tavern every game is good and should be in the game. But this problem stems from other issues with the race, things just ended up settling on DH Naga bears every single game on every single map forever.
>>738961280retard
>>738961280Yeah, it's the NE players choosing to play this way that's the problem, and not the race being so shit that it's only way to make them work.
>>738928928kek I remember that game
>>738961870I've asked many NE players about changing NE since ROC and they all didn't want to. They want the race like that.
>>738962125>guys I asked my 300 MMR friends what they think and they all say it's cool
>>738959873Rumor is Hera is preparing an invitational, hopefully no girls
>>738959423Unimaginable cope. NE have the best tier 1 and 2 units in the game by far. Also Keeper is almost as good as DH
>>738962389but I like girls
>>738962213>implying I would have NE friends
Why does Grubby even bother inviting league players anyway, they're bl retarded. You'd have better luck inviting vtubers.
>>738964708Because they're popular and there's a lot of overlap between MOBA and RTS players. Also them being retarded is good content because it's funny.
>>738963687crazy that grack is like a physicist now
>>738965551>Because they're popular and there's a lot of overlap between MOBA and RTS players.Imagine believing this, 95% of LoL didnt touched a single RTS
>>738966641OK? Literally 99% of people who have ever played an RTS have tried a MOBA. Overlap might not go both ways but it's there.
>>738951186>All strategy games lead to snowballingThat's why the upkeep system exists
>>738966153and incontrol is gone. life's a real series of twists and turns
>>738965551>Because they're popularFoid is rank 996, Dantes and YamatoCannon are worse.They are not exactly popularTyler is popular I don't know why, Maxim is decently popular, Hera is about rank 550 and has a lot of RTS experience
>>738927838>getting upset that people are playing video gamesgo pay Chang for another chance at his lewd jpeg and let the adults have their vidya.
>>738969002Tyler and the other ones are mostly popular in his orbit, they're popular though because they make their personalities their content rather than their gameplay. Their gameplay is enough to get by, them being unpredictable allies, assholes, sometimes beasts is what makes them funny.
>>738934814>they added back the original 1.29 client to battle net, you can download it nowLiar liar pants on fire
>>738927838lol
