any games where being good is about how smart and shrewd one is instead of it just being an indicator they play the game a lot?
>any games where I can be instantly rewarded with zero efforttoo many to name, honestly
Dota 2. Assuming you're mechanically decent when it comes to games it is the most complex and knowledge based games ever made.
you'd still be shit at them even if you dumped 10k hours into one
>>738928314Of course I know him. He's me.
What do you think skill is?Go into any field in real life with skilled people and they will also have "embarrasingly" high "playtime" in their field.You and the X nigger who you got that picture from should kill yourselves.
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>>738927997Skill is execution, not knowledge. Relative skill will always be largely a function of practice. Practice means time investment. You write like a fucking games journalist.
>>738928469fields for brainlets are like that, yesbut no brainlet could ever compete in any high brow field with someone truly smart (skilled), no matter how many thousands of hours they would spend on it
>>738928582>19-year-old geniuses out fukken playing 45-year-old boomer theoretical physicists
>>738928582t. most intelligent zoomer
>>738927997puzzle games, walking sims, VN's
>>738928653>>738928736>>738928469>>738928314seething blue collar joeshaha, go back to your conveyor belts
>>738927997>looks at your irl playtimedamn 30 years and you're not only not a trillionaire but also unemployedtalk about skill difference
>>738929109Wtf how did yo hack me.Hold on a sec!
>>738927997Excellence is not an art, it's pure habit. We are what we repeatedly do.
>>738928469Skill and experience are two entirely different things.
>>738927997>games where being good is about how smart and shrewd one isMelee and Brawl modpacks>instead of it just being an indicator they play the game a lotSuper Smash Bros. Ultimate
>>738927997Anything from ZachtronicsNearly all of the logic games too.
>>738927997Games of chance or any game with extremely high levels of rng.
>>738928506Knowledge is a part of skill dipshit, execution is execution.
>>738927997zoomers live in a world where you are expected to be skilled at everything without putting any hours in
>>738929691this is 100% trueremember when the old "melee gods" started talking shit about the game because they consistently got outskilled by newcomers with 20h in the game?
>>738927997This image just yells that you have low IQ.Skill and knowledge comes with experience and the more you play the more experience you have. So situations that are "new" and require "thinking" become a muscle memory.You would know that if u were good in any game or anything irl.Some skill from one game translates to another thats why people with 100h hours completely outplay people with 1000h.Also if u spend thousand of hours but not bother learning shit you end up like that muslim retard with 60k hours in dota2 stuck in lowest rating.
>>738927997>How to admit you've never been good at anything
>>738927997stop being a jew & git gud
>>738931904look bro nobody is impressed that you can beat elden ring 5 years after releaseeverything has already been figured out and guides are everythingthe only valid display of skill is being able to beat it within the first weeks
>>738928209>I treat games as a job instead of the escape that they areSad
>>738932101games are the only form of entertainment that require some effort or work to enjoyif you don't want to work read a book, watch a movie or look at a piece of art, it literally requires no effort
>>738932407Many people are too stupid to read a book, as it requires you to be literate and have an imagination
>>738927997No, there's no game you can't get better at with practice. Maybe you should buy a 100 sided die and play a "game" where you win if you roll it and get a 1.
>>738933367huh no when Marathon released there were retards who got stuck in the first quest and actually skilled people who had a 95%+ extraction rate and a 3.0+ KD
>>738927997Dead by Daylighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COM3h5yw99w
>>738927997VNS
>>738927997Interesting you should post this because I was just thinking about why I hate Destiny 2 so much but love Deep Rock Galactic despite them being (loosely) in the same genre.I realized what it is: DRG rewards flexible thinking and improvisation; there might only be a limited number of mission types but there are so many random variables that no two missions are exactly the same. Destiny rewards memorizing boss patterns and using meta loadouts; there are objectively "correct" ways to play and straying from those is almost always negative.The most frustrating thing about Destiny 2 is that it's not designed around mouse precision. All the regular mobs are trivial to kill with critical hits, while the bosses are all built around knowing what to do at what time, something you can't really learn without dying a bunch of times or reading/watching a guide. Grinding for gear to get strong enough for bosses means hours of braindead point-and-click. Critical hits still help in DRG but strategy is more important to staying alive, and the varied enemy compositions and level environments means you can't use the same strategy every time.Worse, the total lack of difficulty in the regular fights means you never need to develop the sort of high-level skill that might help keep you alive during the boss fights. I never feel a need to use class skills normally so I don't develop the intuition and muscle memory to exploit them when they're actually needed. Every part of the game is either boring or frustrating. I either feel like I'm on autopilot and might as well be watching a playthrough, or I need to watch a playthrough to know exactly how to avoid letting my team down.I put enough hours into Destiny 2 to reach the point where you get told to just watch a guide because nobody wants to blow hours of their lives experimenting to find the combination of actions and loadout that permits you to win. That's when I stopped playing. I still play DRG regularly to this day.
>>738935381Also DRG is unapologetically goofy and light-hearted while Destiny 2 is like a below-average Marvel movie and I wish I could turn off the dialogue and have all the guns just be named "gun [##]" to avoid cringing at all the sub-ChatGPT wordfaggotry.
>>738929679falseSkill and experience go hand in hand.Skill and talent are two entirely different things.
>>738932407>He's never heard of sports Jesus Christ, stop responding.
>>738935894>sports are not games
>>738927997There's people with many many hours who only are silver or gold level. Stop shaming them buh.
>>738936115>He was talking about all games and not just video games on /v/All activities that people enjoy, even passive ones like watching movies, have levels of expertise to them. A person that doesn't understand cinema won't understand why certain films are highly regarded amongst those that do, and those people got that understanding from countless hours consuming films. But at the end of the day if games or sports or film isn't your job and you don't make a living from it you're just a pedantic nigger to tell people they're enjoying the things wrong.
>>738928582>but no brainlet could ever compete in any high brow field with someone truly smart (skilled), no matter how many thousands of hours they would spend on itYou're telling me a fish is better at swimming than a human? Man, you are so smart. But that isn't the question. Even in high-brow fields, more time investment makes you better than someone who is new to the field, both being equal in intelligence. Unless we're talking once-in-a-century super-geniuses in fields that are purely theoretical, like math. But I hope that isn't what you're talking about, because that would make you look even more stupid.
>>738930483Real usable knowledge comes from experience chud
>>738936601yes except you have all that in videogames and sports, AND a mechanical/intellectual skill requirement on top of that
>>738937725>Mechanical skill is the only skill worth anythingNobody is paying you to get good at roll slop and having a photographic memory of iframes and parry windows.
>>738929679Skill is derived from experience.
>>738937812people are not impressed that you know who yuri gagarin or constantin tsiolkovsky ispeople are more impressed at how good of a jester you are for themand that is worth more than money
>>738927997There's no amount of playtime I'd consider "embarrassingly long" when playing a game that I like. People who consider other people's playtime to be embarrassing are just trying to tear other people down, because they themselves are either hypocrites or consider games themselves to be a waste of time.
>>738928209FPBP
>>738938859post your promised consort radahn achievement unlock date
Fucking casual. When you truly get good at vidya, you'll learn to play for a really long time without getting skilled.
>really love classic fromsoft>ds1 was weird but 2 and 3 were great>then something happened>fromsoft went full retard>slow and steady was replaced with spastic overanimation>enemies and bosses are all over the place and with stupid big health>bloodborne, sekiro and elden ring are no fun allowed>only sweats who can stomach to grind may ever complete them>normal people with jobs can stay away
>>738939201sekiro is a masterpiece and the pinnacle of souls combat and has 0 flaws and if you say anything bad about it then it means you got filtered by the ogre
>>738939294i got filtered by the old lady, thank you very much
arrogant narcissistic retarded faggot OP and anyone who agrees with himthere's definitely things that reward rote memorization more but there's no such thing as "requires time but not skill" on a fundamental level you are DERANGED if you still think this way even after a whole ass thread of people explaining how and why you are wrong in great detail
I have a high playtime on War Thunder and still suck at any of the tiers that require skill
>>738927997You need white games like simulators and grand strategy
>>738939765bro nobody is impressed that you got to global elite in csgo or grandmaster in overwatchafter 10,000h into the gamethe truly skilled people were already 4500SR on season 1, not seaon 72
>>738939765i just got here but by reading OPs first reply >>738928582 I knew he was baiting.
>>738927997theres an entire genre for retards like you
>>738940216It's called bullet heaven actually
>>738927997Skill comes from practice retard.
>>738927997Sudoku offshoots (barring a few weird techniques like Phistomefel ring). Play this one here: https://cracking-the-cryptic.web.app/sudoku/2QM8JHJ4HBRules are:>marked diagonals each contain the numbers 1-9. >cells that are a knight's move apart cannot contain the same digits>central 3x3 box is a magic square (each row, column and diagonal of the 3x3 box add up to the same number)
>>738940339>Play this one hereNo.
>>738927997online poker
>>738940216There is practically 0 skill or intelligence to VS. How long you can survive is 90% meta progression, 5% knowledge about weapons/accessories/combos and 5% basic dodging.
>>738928228maybe a decade ago, nowadays a retard that got spoonfed farming patterns will just outfarm you and win in the mid to late game
>>738932026There is no valid display of skill in any video game because they are video games. They are toys for children. They are designed to be beaten.
You can do something for a long time and still be worse than someone else, time doing something != more skill. Look no further than people playing ranked in mobas or better yet fighting games.Just play any modern fighting game where the mechanics are designed in a way where even a less skilled player can take wins by forcing bad situations.
>>738940521this is cope for being unskilledpost your elden beast/promised consort radahn clear date
>>738927997>too stupid to answer the question yourself>too stupid to figure out how to git gud>ackshully I'm really smartYou're like an unemployed loser asking the wealthy for investing advice. Stay in your lane./thread
>>738928582and you're none of those thingsgay thread created by a gay weirdo
>>738927997Most FPS, Fighting Game, and other PvP genres that values mechanical skill and execution over game knowledge.
>>738940769Sorry I don't play open world slop made for wide audience appeal.I don't doubt you're good at the game. I'm just saying you're bragging about being the only retard in the room who can count to 20 instead of 10.
>>738940769I don't think there is even a PCR achievement
Why is practicing, training, and studying so demonized on here?
>>738941625/v/irgins dont like it when you actually play games
>>738941625because if you have to practice, train and study for 10,000h to do the same thing someone could do with only 1000h then you have profound mental retardation
>>738941625Losers trying to create a cognitive dissonance self narrative where they aren't actually losers.
>>738941625Envy and bitterness.That said: I've met former esports pros, and they are universally pathetic manchildren. Discipline is good when applied to actually productive things.
>>738941625This place operates on the principle where the average /v/ user is simultaneously a god gamer better than normies and scrubs but also anyone better than them is tryhard/sweat who's a neet living off gibs. How much of this is people pretending to be retarded we will never know.
>>738927997Playtime doesn't always = skill. Back when Overwatch first launched you could look up players with the highest profile level (most games played) and nearly all of them where bronze/silver rank.
>>738928228>knowledge basedthat favors time invested
>>738940070>I knew he was baitingthe older you get the more you realize how actually rare bait is and that most people are genuinely just retarded
>>738927997Super Street Fighter II X: Grand Master Challenge.As far as fighting games go it's one of the easiest when it comes to execution and combos. People who say "old fighting games had stricter execution" are stupid and silly and know not of what they speak. SF6 is far more demanding of rote memorization and dexterity. Pick SSF2X and pick Chun-li, and you have the game you are looking for.
>>738942378Sir this is a shitposting board. Don't bring your facts, logic, reasoning and non-schizo babblings around here.
>>738942520dont know about this "X" version but chun-li/honda mashing moves are way harder to do consistently at will than anything on 6.
>>738942861>but chun-li/honda mashing moves are way harder to do consistently at will than anything on 6.Utter nonsense. Absolutely silly nonsense.
>>738943015it is, you can ask any newbie and i bet the buffers and charge moves are way less lenient compared to 5 or 6.
>>738927997>>738928209OP is asking for a game that requires intelligence rather than just doing the same thing again and again until you get better. I don't get why this is so hard to understand. Something like an FPS or rhythm game you can dump thousands of hours into and improve just by the nature of muscle memory. Games where you just memorize a bunch of stuff are a similar situation. Something like an RTS needs you to engage your brain a little bit, you can't just spend a thousand hours trying the same shitty tactics, you have to figure out why they're shitty. I think the closest you can get is something like a non-verbal reasoning test. For actual games, puzzle games are probably the best example. It's hard to practice them, although there are meta patterns you can pick up on.
>>738932101>I don't want to put effort into the things I enjoySad.
>>738940025>bro nobody is impressedwho asked?
>>738943431most games are knowledge checks, not muscle memory checks, or reaction speed checks
itt: butthurt double digit iq dweebs angry at OP calling them out
>>738944442you and your pals are utterly fucking seething over the fact you have incredibly poor information retention and got put in matches with people who can memorize map layouts in literally less than 1% the time it would take you
>>738943152You are simply ignorant.
>>738945248the seething continues, but now its stronger than everyes, this reply alone does make me extremely happyso now there's not gonna be any more replies (OH NO THAT WILL MAKE ME NOT HAPPY :((((ohhh, I made them NOT reply!!!)(OHHH I MADE THEM NOT NOT NOT REPLYYY!!!!)I em smartbr othis faggot writes like a retarddd(bro hahahaah):skull emoji:yes, that is what you're losing againstBRO, last line was serious(this one isn't thothis is such a meta message (there's literally not a single way to end this to not sound cringey, so here we go Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten
Half this thread is retards arguing skill doesn't require a time sink when what they really mean is talent.
>>738946178interchangeable terms in the world of social mediayou're skilled if you were born capable and exceptionalanything else doesn't matter
>>738927997Catherine.
>>738946583Caroline.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcCeiGhw0uo&list=RDlcCeiGhw0uo&start_radio=1
>>738941625they are normalnigger reddit/xitter refugees
>>738946756https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWju37TZfo0
>>738946401>you're skilled if you were born capable and exceptionalThis is true but OP is convinced being good at elden ring makes you exceptional
>>738929679true, cause you develop skill through experience you fucking retardwhen you are good at something without having enough texperience to explain the level you're at, that's called talent, not skilland in fact, a lot of people with talent in a given field often still lack the skill to apply their talent to a wider range of situations than the one their talen made them good at, cause skill still needs to be developed even when there's talent
Slay the Spire 1.You need SOME knowledge of the game but there are shit players with much higher playtimes than the top ones.
>>738943661>I can't enjoy things unless I'm sweatingRelax. Your dad can't beat you anymore.
>>738947036>muh normalfag boogeymanNormalfags are willing to acknowledge that being good at things takes practice and work, even if they'd never do it themselves. The creatures making these threads are anything but normal. They have the same strain of mental illness as (or are) /pol/tards, think they're magically better than everybody else, and when they encounter anything that reminds them that they're not (like someone playing a game more than them and being better) their cognitive dissonance kicks in and they start making excuses to try and rationalize things like OP.
>>738945974weird crashout but ok
i dont' think there is a single profession or game where you can get good at instantly without spending time playing it firstyou can have talent for something which will make things easier sure but you still need to put the time in, maybe less than someone who is not though
>>738943431>OP is asking for a game that requires intelligence rather than just doing the same thing again and again until you get better.Anon, that is how literally EVERY SINGLE SKILL IN EXISTENCE works. It's hilarious how there is a loud demographic who think video games are somehow the weird exception here.
>>738927997All skill is based on time. Repetitive attempts at a activity changes the neural pathways in the brain and it learns what is working and what isn't. "You" improve.The word your looking for is natural talent for something which is a debated topic but even if it truly exists it can only boost or give new heights to a skill they also put a ton of time in. Someone with talent who never works on the skill might start a bit ahead of others but will be quickly passed by people who keep working on the skill.We are all working with the same brain structure and rules.
Anyone can reasonably reach the 95th percentile in 99% of pursuits and then becoming a true legend is where factors determined by your birth and environment come into play.Ever wonder why you never saw a black pilot? It’s because they flew for Spirit Airlines.
>>738948789Spirit had the lowest accident rate of all airlines tho.
>>738947982ok this is epic
