https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/california-bill-pushing-to-keep-games-playable-after-server-shutdowns-passes-key-hurdle-paving-way-for-full-assembly-vote>game dies because nobody's playing it>have to give people who abandoned it a refund.
>>738935484>action to keep games runningAny reason you ignore that part?
>>738935552>reasonToo busy fucking ferrets
Just let it keep being playable by releasing the server files after the official ones are shut shut down. No refund needed if you can host your own server.
>>738935484I knew this shit would backfire
>>738935484OH NO! THE MULTI MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY MIGHT HAVE TO REFUND PEOPLE OH NO!not my fucking problem. make a good product, or crawl in a hole and fucking die for all i care
>>738935484All they have to do is release the netcode and people can self-host. It's actually very sensible.
>>738935484and how is this retarded exactly? sounds just like what we wanted.
Imagine being so desperate for attention that you post stale bait threads about a pro-consumer pro-gaming movement for YEARS on end.
>>738935484A friendly reminder that the Cali SKG vote has already had 3 committee votes and passed all 3 with a bipartisan majority. Also be prepared for the following shill tactics>Dividie and conquer>Us verses them>Poisoning the well>Slippery Slope >Strawmen>ad hoc fallacy>Ad hominems>YOU JUST CAN'TThat is all.
>>738935484>he doesn't knowthis retarded demand was always what the SKG commies were after
>>738935484>>have to give people who abandoned it a refund.Yes?What's the problem here?
>>738935846>Also be prepared for the following shill tacticsyou're not supposed to post this here, now they'll know what we're doing
>>738935484>>have to give people who abandoned it a refund.read, shill>keep the games running (ie, functional) after server shutterings OR provide full refundsall they need to do is make the game playable without connection to a server
according to jannies the topic of owning your video game is not vidya
>>738935484Not retarded at all. If I can't access it anymore, I want all my money back.SIMPLEASTHAT
>>738936016I wonder how long it will take before this thread devolves into >my e-celeb is better than your e-celebwhich is indeed not video games
>>738935846>bipartisan majoritybro it was 1 republican for 1 section of voting (Macedo)this is very much a democrat passed bill
>>738935484Just make an offline version not hard to make.
if you don't want me to take my money back, then don't steal it from me
>>738935484If they can't be bothered to do offline mode or release community-hosted servers they should indeed refund.
total gacha death
>>738935484Why do you schizos keep making these threads just break your fingers instead
Rare California W.Hopefully this lights a fire under the ass of big flop games and safeguards old games from the Warcraft 3 enshittification treatment.
>>738936016Stop asking questions goyim and keep consuming.
Hopefully it kills multiplayer slop
>>738936094It's a given shitposters, pol larpers and our corporate friends we call jannies will do exactly that.
>>738935484I just played Thief gold, and had a grand time. There are less people playing that than were playing Highguard when it was shut down. Are you seriously saying it's a permissible business practice to remotely brick people's copies of Thief gold to force them to buy Th4f? They literally did that with The Crew, and The Crew 2 retard.
>>738935484They don't if they have a proper sunset plan so it's playable without connecting to a dev server.
>>738935484>bill that requires companies to keep servers running or provide refunds>CaliforniaWoW's gonna get EoS'd to avoid this bill, and I'm here for it.
>make gaas games>be forced to refund if your game can't be played, or permit fan emulators at leastbased if it kills "fun with a friend"slop. they gotta save fun with a friend because game is bad and not fun without 3rd party support
>>738936121>Ignoring that Macedo was a no vote on the first committee vote, but then switched to yes for the second, confirming SKG is not only gaining support, but cross party support.That's called being bipartisan, which is good for video game consumers.BTW, there was a pro consumer freedom republican who voted in favor of SKG in the Appropriations vote yesterday, so yes, this is bipartisan.Also>Us verses them>Moving the goalpostsMaybe I'll make a bingo card after all.
>>738936460never 5get
>>738936584WoW is exempt from this, it's a subscription to access gamehttps://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCompareClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1921&showamends=false
>>738936701>based if it kills "fun with a friend"slop.Anon, very few of those "fun with a friend" games are live service games.Do you even know what a live service game is?Are you one of those retards who thinks "live service" is synonymous with "multiplayer?"
>>738935484You just have to make the game playable offlineThat's all, literally>But le wow of le worcraft alone is le boring and unplayableBut you can still run it and play it
>>738936734>BTW, there was a pro consumer freedom republican who voted in favor of SKG in the Appropriations vote yesterday, so yes, this is bipartisan.no there wasn't, that's why they called it a B roll callhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtEQXypwmLU
>NOOO WE CAN'T RELEASE SERVER BINARIES BECAUSE... WE JUST CAN'T OKAY?!How is it difficult to put in a minimal amount of effort? You don't even need to get that shit working, just zip it all up and put it on a site for the "community" to fix for you.
>>738935484Asia when?we need total gacha death next
>>738936878THIS
>>738936946because they legally can't most of the time, and it creates security vulnerabilities
>>738936923Doesn't change the fact that Madcedo voted in favor of it, making it bi-partisan.
>>738937117>they legally can't most of the timeif you're talking about partnership shit, you're just fucking wrong, and they can either not do those, or remove them from the final buildif you're talking about some other dumb shit, I have 340 games on steam and of those, 182 have dedicated servers tools, including games that literally came out last year and loads from indie devs
>>738935484Here's a simple solution. Why not, and hear this ludicrous preposterous audacious claim... Bear with me... Ready?... Here it goes............add an offline mode from the beginning.THE HUMANITY. IT'S THE FUCKING END OF TIMES!!!! HOW DARE ME SUGGEST YOU MAKE A COMPLETE GAME FROM THE START NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
90% of the traffic on this board is a FUCKING psy-op
>>738937117>security vulnerabilitiesHow would it do that if nobody plays the game? Is there another similar game that they're trying to force people to buy by breaking the game they already own?
>>738937117>because they legally can't most of the timeNow they'll be legally required to, so there's no problem.
>>738935634Thats anti simetic
>>738935484All in favor of kicking california out of America?
>>738937412Do it pussy you won't
>>738937343>Is there another similar game that they're trying to force people to buy by breaking the game they already own?yes. these live service games licence third party shit that many games use, and publishing them is a big vulnerability
>>738937323b-but if you do that we'd have to make people work :(
>>738935484HAVE THE COURAGE, OUR AMERICAN PSYCHO! BE THE FUTURE PRESIDENT OF THE GAMER AMERICAN!
The people against SKG are either A. Indian or B. irony poisoned cattle.
>>738938107SKG backers can't even name a dead game that they want to play
Money writes the laws. Doesn't matter how far through the process this gets, the ESA will issue enough bribes eventually to kill it. Whether that's the Cali governor, the Cali supreme court, or even higher authorities, they're not going to allow it though. Hell it's not just the ESA, every entertainment industry would take note of even the slightest expansion of consumer protections and fight back hard.
>>738935484I honestly don't careIf it does good. Then good. But i also hope it creates a burning inferno that reduces this wretched industry to ashes. May this lead to the next crash.
>>738935742They are shillbots, they aren't thinking human being.
>>738935634this is the answer
>>738938198lost planet 2, next
>>738938198Hex.Yes, I know it will never be resurrected. But fuck this whole industry.
>>738938198Every once in a while I think a session on Assassin's Creed Brotherhood multiplayer would be fun.
>>738938386Coming up on 5 years since capcum posted this. Still not single word from them about it.
>>738936734>>738935846Doing gods work by informing people of shills' tactics.
>>738935484>give people game that lets them have fun for months>money stolenSo we're just trying to kill the industry, huh
>>738937813Why is he copying trump. Does he know Trump won not because of how he acted.
>>738938198Spec Ops the line.
>>738935484>Keep games running after shutdownis it that hard? Those kikes were crying as if it was
>>738935484>have to give people who abandoned it a refund.This is already law in Australia, I can also get a full refund if you ban me from your game.Tick tock publisher kikes
Stop killing games. Simple as.
Companies fear server releases because then the community doesn't move on and they create better free content than they were ever capable of. BF2 was the perfect example of this with 2142s release and that was 20 years ago.
>>738938198War of the Roses
>>738939378You break it you buy it :^)
>>738935484Explain, in detail, how this is bad for me, a consumer?Yeah, refund me. Don't like it? Don't make games, nobody's forcing you.
>>738936016Jannies are on Valve's payroll, it's been like that for years. They need to make money SOMEHOW.
>>738937117>they legally can't because they have a contract with uh.. ehm... uh...This retard just believes anything anyone says lmao
>>738937294He is a fucking dumbass that is just repeating word by word what some fuckass retard used as an excuse a couple months agoCite the "You can't release your own server binaries" law retardo, the class is waiting
>>738938198Shattered Horizon
>>738939614>This is already law in Australia, I can also get a full refund if you ban me from your game.>Tick tock publisher kikesI saw you guys get full refunds for New World for simply shutting down Aussie servers, wild honestly.
>Make MMO>Make it so people can play it on an empty world if you choose to close the servers>Game is still functional, problems avoidedThe bare minimum niggersTHE BARE MINIMUMThis, obviously, isn't even about MMOs, it's about Ubishit trying to steal games from you
>>738935484>"This isn't what we wanted! This isn't what we wanted!" cries the corposhill, trying pathetically to gaslight anons that SKG is doing bad things>"I told you it woul end like that, and you didn't listen!" He cries again, trying desperately to build the narrative that anti SKG idiots were rightDo you seriously think nobody can see what are you trying to do?
>>738940080You can get full refunds or close to almost everywhere if you get banned from a game, people just don't ask for them
>>738936016>stop talking about a fundamentally left-wing political cause that people tend to agree with on the epic right-wing psyop board
>>738935484>anything california related ends up retardedno one is shocked besides Kaya
>>738935484>the slops will flop even harderwhy is this a bad thing?
that molding nigger will just make corpos offload costs to the consumer as usual ... moronic ass movement in general
>>738935484you are illiterate, brown AND raped
>>738940410How do you come to a point in your life when you hate the "good" for simply being good. You're a loser. You don't wanna see people being happy, achieving greatness because your life is shit but how is that out problem? Crab bucket ass nigga.
>>738935678you are illiterate, brown AND raped
>>738935678You're demoralized
It is pro-capitalism for government to enforce good business practices, actually. Customers are more likely to spend money when they can trust their investment won't completely vanish one day
>>738936584dont want to refund? fine, you do you.but you at least must make available your server files and documentation for people to be able to make their own servers.
What is this SKG thing?
>>738940523stfu r*dditnigger and fuck off back there
>>738935484Fail to see how any of that is a bad thing.
>>738935484>The bill, as we've previously reported would require that studios either take action to keep games running after server shutterings, or provide full refunds Sounds more than reasonable.
>>738935484how is that retarded?if i buy a game for 40 bucks, what i buy is a promise that i'll be able to play it at least for a reasonable amount of timeif the game shuts down after a week cause no one else plays it, then yes, i want my money backif you dont wanna do that, then make it so me and the few others who bought the game can keep playing the game, thats what you sold usthe fact you think it's retarded to prevent companies from effectively scamming buyers is what is actually retarded
>>738939056someone at capcom hates lost planet. It is their IP with the most untapped potential.
>>738940713It's never too late to come back to the "good" side you know? Even if you think it's too late for you or your brain is too messed up from years of depression!
Given the last 15 years since the ruling on Citizens United, I now 100% support anything that fucks over corporations, I want them all to eat shit.
>>738940410>corpos are fucking us in the ass>"if we try and change things the corpos will fuck us even harder, let's not do it :("you're a little bitch
>>738940923People already know concord gave refunds but for a more relevant case there was Paragon which got shuttered after about 2 years and gave refunds
>>738940986And so I hate capcom. Not giving them anything until Lost Planet 2 is fixed.
>>738935846>literally named currycan't make this shit up
>>738936016First time? We've been over this with GG
>>738935484based. i don't care and you wanna know why?because this means game developers will try to do all they can to avoid adding online features to games that don't need them.any online games will be the based old school kind where anyone is able to set up a server and they will be designed from the ground up in such a way that the developer can completely drop support and players will still be able to run it.it's all a matter of designing games to support continued playability. yeah, that means certain kinds of slop games may go extinct, but i never played them so i don't care.
>>738940410I am so deeply concerned with the bottom line of Microsoft. I wake up at night, and scream "Think of the shareholders!"
>>738935484>keeps companies from doing rugpulls.Epic, sing me in.
Is that relevant for games with side multiplayer modes or only for games that require internet to function at all? Like Gravity Rush 2 that got its photo sharing service taken down or Demon's Souls that no longer has online, would they be in trouble too? Seems a bit excessive if so. If it's just games that need a server to work then that makes sense.
>>738942003no they're fine it's just if the game doesn't work at all
>>738935678I told this board that this was a bad idea for over a year now, now who’s laughing? Fucking pseudo-Black Lives Matter marxists with their name games.
>>738935958>all they need to do is make the game playable without connection to a serverwoah there buddy cool it with anti-semitic remarks.
>>738942040Ah, that's fair game then.
>>738940923>purchase product>sign agreement>think you deserve free money when the game dies out eventually, as all games doNot how that works.
>>738942134You break it. You buy it.
>>738942046Just stop killing games, kike. It really is that simple.
>>738935484FINALLY THE DEATH OF LIVE SERVICE GAMES!
>>738935484Just give us the source code and I'll be happy.
>>738942134>as all games doWhat do you mean exactly? We have multiplayer games that are perfectly playable for 20+ years. A game being unprofitable to maintain a central server and a game being dead is not the same.
>>738935678Whatever you say Maldavius.
hoes mad
>>738942134>as all games doNot on my watch, cunt.Eat shit, flyover.
>>738941815Serious question, what was the last game that enabled people to set up their own servers?
>>738935484Libertarians live on a fantasy land delusion where the government doing anything is going to lead to 1984, where if you just “pull yourself from the bootstraps” you’ll become the CEO of a fortune 500 company, and that the people will just “vote with their wallets” of a company does morally wrong thing.This is despite historical and even modern things proving that companies would in fact use child labor to sell you a lamp that is designed to break after warranty is up, and that vwyw doesn’t work.There is overwhelming evidence to show that companies do in fact need regulations. But half of them have monetary incentive to be against government intervention, while the other half are stupid and too stubborn to admit they are wrong.The best thing you can do is constantly make fun of them.
>>738938198Darkspore
>>738938198would you believe me if I told you banjo kazooie nuts and bolts was fun to play online?
>>738943028I dunno the last but latest I've played is palworld.
>>738943028Not the most recent - but I'll point to Minecraft on account of it being one of the top selling games in the industry's history.
>>738942134>when the game dies out eventually, as all games doi can go play my dad's copy of SMB1 from 1985 right now, both the cart and console are perfectly functionalI guess eventually the sun will explode and render the cartridge unusable, but until then I can play it whenever I wish
>>738942134>purchase car>sign agreement>think you deserve free money when the remote kill switch is engaged after the car becomes useless, as all cars do>who decides when a car is useless? well that's us, the manufacturer of course!>look buddy, the car was already five years old. it was high time you started saving up for something better anyway, and as it happens we've got a new model coming out in about six months. it's a doozy, you're gonna love it! we're doing you favor really.
>>738943028It's actually very common for everyone who isn't a AAA publisher trying to sell The Crew 2 by shutting down The Crew. From looking at Steam's New Releases Only Up: Chan Chained Together which was released today does not depend on a central server, like basically every game. It costs more money, and more development time to make a game with a killswitch. >>738942134I was just playing Mount & Blade Warband, works just fine.
>>738935742I wanted no online games either but I don't pretend I was after something else.
>>738943819This is exactly how any car manufactured after 2022 works, by law, and many previously by the manufacturer's own choosing.
>/v/ has so many retards some even bitch about this while the rest support it
>join corporate bootlicking contest>there are japanese and american contestantsI never had a chance.
>>738935484Grats Caliggers on online games releasing in 49 US States but not yours, I guess.
>>738943251>anti-skg thread>election tourist slandering libertarianism because the concept of freedom is hostile to him
Are they making retarded arguments just to get (you)s or are there actually morons who believe SKG is some evil that must be stopped.
>>738944004This. My state did this with cars and their tracking bullshit. Instead of giving access to the source code like the state wanted, they just stopped selling cars with any sort of connectivity in the state.California will be excluded from the rest of the world, just like many other countries are now with their retarded "consumer first" laws.
>>738936734What other republican voted for this bill?
>>738935846Nothing in California is bipartisan. The Dems control the legislature and don't need Reps for anything.
>>738944098What do you think, genius?
>>738944145tragic, think of the shareholders
>>738944328Personally I love the fact that the next car I buy will have all that shit permanently disabled, but I hear complaints all the time of "they said I could start my new car from my phone, but it won't let me!"
>>738942046
>>738943028here's about half of the games in my library with dedicated server tools built into their distributionabiotic came out last year, multiple others within just the past few years, although many more are much olderthis is just my own library, I'm sure if you looked on steam you could find morethere isn't any specific tag for dedicated servers, but in the section on the store page with a list going 'single player, online co-op, steam achievements, etc.' some games will have 'LAN co-op' and that's close enough to get an idea of whether or not they'll have itI really think store pages should tell you whether or not a game comes with a dedicated server tool, it'd be useful information
Geez, corpo shills are afraid again huh?>>738938198DarkSpore, FusionFall, would be nice to play Helldivers without all their online shit.>>738939793>how can I make this about Valve?
>>738943028It's actually pretty common in AA and indie games.Games like Palworld, Valheim, basically all of those multiplayer survival games all let you set up or rent your own server.
>>738935484I thought people said euros were better at regulations than burgers? This thing is moving faster in NA than it is in the EU
>>738944491US is a dictatorship so they don't need to hold votes. A governor or the president just signs a law and it immediately takes effect.
>>738944082>Slander lolberts because they are retarded or just evil*If you ever come across a genie and wish to be transported to a world without governments, just know that when fire breaks out during your 20 hour shift and the fire exits require you to watch ads, just know that everyone else told you so.
>>738944380oh no, willing slaves will be forced into freedom, what a shame
>>738935484Sweet, where do I redeem my Splatoon 1 refund?
>>738935634hopefully this gets passed before all the ID collection laws israel is trying to pass in america. you wont be able to host a server and invite people without paying Oracle to spy on your friends.
>>738936205kill gacha destroy gacha do a backflip and 360 noscope gacha
>>738943987Hey, #notallAmericansWe're not all corporate asslicker retards, just, like...70% of us, maybe.
>>738940713>invocation of label chatGPT told him is an outgroup>ad hominem>divide and conquerCorpos ain't sending their best.
>>738939056No words but on forums people say there's been an update a year or two ago that removed GFWL but didn't give any alternative so it only bricked multiplayer for the 50 people still left playing forcing a rollback. Also broke everyone's saves for good measure
>>738938386On series store.
>>738939405>Does he knowNo. No, he doesn't. He's the sort of bonafide retard who thinks you relate to black people by saying "I'm stupid, just like you", despite being part of the progressive movement
>>738944145>Company chooses not to even sell if X Phone if you live in state/country that bans companies from using cheap batteries that explode>Somehow the badguy here is the state for not wanting phones to be exploding randomly>Not the company who intentionally uses faulty parts in their product and endanger the lives of several people, all just so they can save a few pennies per phone they makeLibertarians need to be rounded up and killed
>>738940523Because you're running to the government hoping they stick their noses into how games are made simply because the thing which has been happening to online games for as long as games has been online happened to some racing game which was sold as always online.
>>738943926nope
I honestly find it a bit nuts that Amerimutts always go on an on about muh freedums and muh rights but whenever there's a service that centers itself around letting you do whatever you want without bothering you with any bullshit it comes from EUROPE and not AmericaAll kinds of online services promising users privacy and safety are hosted in the EU and Linux was born in fucking FinlandMeanwhile Amerimutts love opression and sucking corpo cock on a everyday basis
>>738944880Yes. By law all cars manufactured after 2022 have to have telemetry transmitting data back to the manufacturer and law enforcement. By law all cars manufacturer after 2026 have to have driver monitors that will automatically shut the car off if the car's AI believes the driver to be intoxicated or otherwise impaired.You voted for this when you approved of the "infrastructure" bill to fix your collapsing bridges and pothole filled roads.The future is grim.
>>738945003>it comes from EUROPERoss is American.
>>738936016I've been banned for telling people to stop posting chee se pizza.
>>738944854Shut the fuck up. I always hated all this forced online and live service crap, and the fact that someone is FINALLY speaking my language on the global stage is something I will support to my last breath
>>738945059He lives in Polska howeverAnd SKG is a EU initiative
>>738944854>Because you're running to the government to [do their job]Uhh, okay?
>>738945178>And SKG is a EU initiativeOnly because Europe has an online system to put forth petitions. The US doesn't.
>>738935484>Design your game p2p from the start (99% of indies do this already)>Release an SDK (been a thing for decades and valve still does it)>Change the netcode to p2p before you drop supportCrazy that companies need regulations and laws to just let people use the shit they bought
>>738945221We're not all authoritarian cunts who think the government is the solution for every problem in one's life, anon.
>>738944540>election tourist triples down>doesn't realize how fitting it is that his retarded ass is present in an anti-skg thread
>>738935484> place a book on my shelf> it evaporates into the aether as I'm not actively readingOwnership truly is magical.
>>738945317>We're not all authoritarian cuntsThat's a fucking lie, you're perfectly fine with the government trying to make piracy illegal.
>>738945285So again, clearly EU gives more power to the people than America.
>>738945317Right, suck more corporate cock I guess, loser, but you’re losing.
>>738940410>The cost being a grand total of -20 bucks to the devsWow, SKG saves me money!
>>738942134>Writes "I get to kill you" as part of the EULA>Shocked when you get arrested for murder anywaysEULAs don't let you go above the law
I've come to realize that corporations are the greatest threat to my way of life in the modern era and they all need to be brought to heel.
>>738945356You’re also here, jeet.
>>738938198Last Stand Dead Zone.Black Survival.
>>738945623>this government dick doesn't countStill makes you a fag, sorry.
>>738935484You lost, Thor tranny.
>>738945317The government is involved anyway. Why can't you make a private server for games you want to play right now? Why can't you mod always online games to be playable offline? Because corporations have convinced the government to fine you, or jail you, or ultimately shoot you if you try. Corporate shills are happy to play libertarian when the government is actually helping people, but the moment someone tries to weaken copyright or give actual ownership of products to the individual that buys them suddenly it is absolutely critical that the government step in, this dangerous anarchy cannot be allowed to continue.
>>738935484Listen up you ferret fucker. It literally says action to keep games running. Action. To. Keep. Games. Runing. Fucking second generation Blizzard employee.
>>738945317>You think companies shouldn’t be able to just do what ever they want?>YOU’RE LITERALLY JUST LIKE HITLER AND STALIN!!!Fuck off, retard
I have cancer
>>738946031Zero and one thousand are not the only options, dipshit.
>>738935484Giga based Chadifornia forcefully murdering GaaS and lazy ass multiplayer slop. Single player Renaissance coming (((soon))) goys!
>>738935484It's crazy how little SKG knows about how video games are made.
>>738946173I'm happy for youor sorry that happened
>>738944664Of course dude, it's just banter. Ross is a Yank after allBut the system and prevalent culture in general is fucked
>>738946173Sorry, anon.
>>738945317>Oh, man, I love drinking spoiled milk that corporate put chalk in to make it not look spoiled. Yum!>Oh boy, I sure do love my lead paint in my cup! Delicious!>Oh boy, I sure do love immediately dying in a car crash, thabks to the complete lack of expensive safety features. I sure do love sucking corporate dick!
>>738945178>And SKG is a EU initiativeIt's a global initiative. US, EU, UK, and Australia so far
>>738946864Then leave and go live in your libertarian paradise in the woods, retard.
>>738938198MAG
>>738938198What's the problem then if nothing much is affected by it?
>>738935484No, you just need to release a patch that allows people to play locally
>>738946864Then I don't give a fuck about being fascist, only preventing the wrong kind of shit from having that power.
>>738946942It's easier for you to move since places like best korea actually exist.
>>738946487Lolberts should have 0 government protections.Murder, rape, assault, arson, all free reign for anyone else.Their employers having 0 obligations to pay them at all if they don’t feel like it.When they go into a grocery store, there will be a special “libertarian” section where companies can sell you anything that’s normally illegal, and the store itself can do fuckass shit like changing the prices of items or require them to watch an ad to use the fire escape.Let’s see how fast anarchists retards fold before realizing that even if governments can be bad, companies are 1,000x worse.
>>738946864nta, but im a fan of making things accessible and open to the public. Similar to copyright or trademarks expiring so anyone can use the work, or a drug patent expiring so others can make it. if a game developer no longer wants to support a product's online functionality, make it open source. This should be the way for all human creations, so all knowledge can be shared, learned, and advanced. Not thrown in a box, lost, and destroyed.
>>738947389It's far easier for you to move since you can just go walk into the woods.
>>738947349Because that's never backfired on anyone.
>>738935484why should I care? how does this affect me in any bad way? Either I get my money back or they just stop making online shit and focus on single player games. Its win win. Theres no bad part.
>>738935484>Don't make your game online onlyHoly shit how is this possible for the poor indie devs to do?
>>738943879the only one disingenuous is you. I love online games, this is why hosting them on private servers will be great
>>738947451Because they didn't actually make sure it wouldn't.
>>738944004Yea bro, the games are going to give up on the 4th-largest economy on the planet to cater to your flyover shithole.
>>738946864>I'm sorry I don't feel like preventing poisoning isn't on the same level as you making a willing choice to purchase an always online game and having it close down one dayOh I’m sorry, but isn’t government intervention le bad? Why do you want the government putting their nose in the food you eat?Government intervention is le bad, so having government control the most basic necessities would be even worse than them controlling online games, right?Shut the fuck up, nigger.
>>738935484>GaaS is no longer profitable>Developers have to go back to making single-player/local multiplayer/P2P/dedicated server multiplayer games that people actually buy with actual money and then have the software as a tangible object that they can back-up, trade, sell, or archive for later useSounds horrible.
>>738935846The only reason its passing is california lawmakers are retarded and think stop killing game means ban grand theft auto and otherviolent games. That way some faggot ass dei game will suceed.
>>738947785In what universe is GTA not a faggot ass dei game?
>>738946864The government wouldn't be needed if these industries could regulate themselves. But since they're never going to do that to any reasonable degree, it's either government regulation or we all lube up and bend over. It might not be a fun choice, but there's still a clear winner
>>738942134>when the game dies out eventually, as all games doi dont know man, i can still play 40 years of gamesthis idea that games "die" when the developers stop supporting them is literall a new thing, something that has been going on for barely 10 years or less, and even then, most games developed during this era where games "die" aren't games that do dieso no, not all games die, and in fact the absurdly vast majority of them does not die at allso yes, when you buy a game, you buy it with the correct expectation that you will retain the product you bought even after the developer stops supporting it.also, learn to read, i said "i'll be able to play it at least FOR A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME", and "if the game shuts down after a week"if i buy a 40 dollars game, and i have my plenty of time with it, with the game shutting down 5 years after i bought it cause a new version came out or cause the playerbase naturally faded until there weren't enough players to justify the costs of keeping the servers up, then no, i don't want my money back, i got my value out of the game, plenty of it.but if i buy a 40 dollars game and it's shut down 1-2 WEEKS after i bought it cause there was no enough players, then yes, i do want my fucking money back, cause one of the promises was that if i buy that product i'll be able to play it against other players, with new maps incoming, new modes, etc, all of which won't happen cause it's being shut down in 1-2 weeks, and that is the literaly definition of scam, so yes, i absolutely want my money back, and yes, i deserve it.
>>738947540Anon you're asking the same fucking retards who keep writing laws to make housing affordable which, when enacted, drive prices higher and lead to less homebuilding to make it so games can't be shut down. All you're going to get is not having the games in the first place.
>>738935678>backfireit's doing exactly what it's supposed to do and it's a good thingthis thread is full of fucking brainlets i swear
>>738947785>The only reason its passing is california lawmakersThe only reason it's passing is because corrupt californian lawmakers (not unique to california obviously) know the further this progresses the bigger their bribes to shut it down will be.Gaming is one of the biggest industries on the planet, it will pay fucking handsomely for this to not happen, but they need to make the threat, very, very real. There are so many examples of this shit.I'd love to see some actual pro consumer shit happen, but I guarantee this is just lawyers and judges shaking down the gaming industry for their own benefit, not that of the consumers.
>>738947959It's just a few retards, they're simply shills coping because they thought SKG was going to be dead by now.
>>738947725Do you wind up downing a case every time you start with one beer? There is space between none and all for almost everything in this world.
>>738947937Then what do you propose to stop corporations from fucking over games?
>>738947937>All you're going to get is not having the games in the first place.And that's a problem because...?
>>738948082>Then what do you propose to stop corporations from fucking over games?Guillotines.
>>738948082Don't buy always online games.
>>738948114Because my post was in response to a post calling me disingenuous for saying that what I wanted was also no online games but I wasn't pretending to ask for something different so your admission means I win.
>>738948193That's a bad proposition, I'd rather punish corporations who try to fuck over their customers instead, using the government.
>>738948416Failure of a game is punishment.
>>738948474No, it's not, it's just the natural outcome.I want punishment.If you don't, that's fine, you can stay in your flyover state.
OP is piratesoftware (a fag)
>>738948020I hope publishers call their bluff.
>>738948048If government intervention is bad, government intervention is bad. Please eat your rotten meat for the sake of the company's bottom line, it is more valuable than your wellbeing.
>>738948474>>738948193>JuSt VoTe WiTh YoUr WaLlEt BrO!That shit doesn’t work. Even if a game flops, the company still has the data of people who bought it and the investors who want Always Online Games to succeed.And that’s assuming the vast majority of peope coordinate to not buy a single always online game, something company can just sneak into a game without telling you, and can collaborate with social media companies to take down users criticizing/exposing their game.That’s why there is no such thing as a “free” market or freedom in general. It’s either regulated through laws, or regulated through money rich and powerful people pass around each other to make sure they get richer.
>>738947785>>738948020>Us verses themI am demoralized, we better let the corporations seize all our rightfully paid for goods.
