Where does the left joystick belong, on the bottom or on the top?
>>738942978Top gives you better leverage but it's really down to personal preference
>>738942978Depends on the game /thread
>>738942978i use both regularly, i forget what my hands are doing so it's the same to me, the only thing i do notice from time to time is the dpad and 360 dpad sucks dick
Obviously top. the Dualshock's sticks are only where they are because they were a tacked-on afterthought.
>>738942978left is for thumbletsi can't imagine PREFERRING cripple DEI baked into a fucking controller
>>738942978top feels much comfier
>>738943153spbp
>>738942978Bottom feels so much better, plus never having to take your thumbs off the stick to push anything else.
>>738942978the only reason the sticks are where they are on playstation is that the ps1 originally didn't have analog sticks. when they eventually made the dual analog controller, they didn't want to massively change the controller design players were familiar with, so they just took the old controller and stuck the sticks in some empty space, and then they just kept them there for every future playstation.purely from a design standpoint, keeping the left stick on the bottom while the vast majority of games use it way more than the dpad is stupid.
>>738942978never bothered me one way or anotheryou fags just have weak motor skills or something
>LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL - thread posted every couple of daysFaggot
>>738943153which genres for each?>>738943309yup the 360 dpad sucks, later they released a version that lets you turn the dpad and essentially make it stick out from the circle, i still have one of those, and to me, that version of the 360 controller is the best controller of all time
>>738942978It's been settled. Symmetrical AND on top.
>>738942978Probably somewhere in between. Dpad should not exist.
>>738942978On the top for me.I play with a controller for vehicles, racing games, helicopters in Arms, planes and drones.I use to use PlayStation controllers since I had a PS4 since the Xbox 360 but when that controller died I got an Xbox controller and it instantly felt better despite years of not using one.The only thing the PlayStation controller did better is using DirectInput over XInput for Arma.On a PlayStation controller L2 and R2 are different axises meaning you can press both at the same time, on Xbox LT and RT are the same axis so if you press both at the same time they cancel each other out.
>>738943783WiiU was correct and no one believed in it.
>>738944284nah this is the worst of both worlds unless you're playing a shooter or something
>>738943735>which genres for each?>both on bottomtile based games, menu based games, retro games for consoles that didn't have analog sticks.>both on topfirst person games, over the shoulder games.>left up right downeverything else.
>>738943783Are you Asian? My index fingers practically touch when I'm holding the controller in my big meaty hands, and my thumbs keep accidentally bumping into the sticks, never mind the accidental presses of the back buttons. Conceptually I like the steam Controller, but everything is too packed together for my liking. I'm probably gonna sell mine.
asymmetrical if you don’t want arthritis and carpal tunnel
>>738944397Majority of the games simply didn't need the camera being touched, or the gamepad moved it for you, so you got the benefits of asymm with movement+buttons, and the benefits of symm all in one
>>738942978Right is for big AmericansLeft is for tiny brown third worlders
>>738943525Hell the only reason BOTH are still like that is due to the OG controllers for both.I still remember the dildo controller.
>>738944284I still use this controller. You can play a whole JRPG without charging that thing and it's the most ergonomic controller there is.
>>738944605>Majority of the games simply didn't need the camera being touched, or the gamepad moved it for youyeah, which is why puting the right stick on top doesn't make sense.
>>738943735you can also mod it if you have a 3d printer, but it looks like shit, i wonder who thought it would be a good idea to release a controller with that dpad
>>738944761To make the natural position asymm
>>738944584Sooo you still get arthritis and carpal tunnel in one hand?
>>738944704i know that's not the reason you brought them up, but i think it's funny that you mentioned jrpgs when talking about the controller with the worst stick layout for them.
>>738944485Are you Andre the Giant?
The Xbox 360 Wireless Controller with Transforming D-Pad is the best controller ever made.
>>738942978Just in an ergonomic resting space, stop stapling a d-pad to 3D controllers, this isn't the fucking 90s anymore, companies aren't hedging their bets on this new-fangled "Three Dee" fad. If you want a 3D controller, get a 3D controller, if you want a 2D controller, get a 2D controller.>Well what about the right analog stick then?Also literally useless, it was only added by Snoy to one-up the N64's single analog stick. Just having gyro is already mostly good enough for the right analog stick to be pointless, just use camera buttons you don't need anything more complicated than snap-turning and snapping the camera behind the player. If you need full camera controls, then gyro not only does it better than the right analog stick ever could, but mouse and keyboard are even better.>>738944397>Right analog stick on top>The first console to start standardizing gyro aim>Pro controller doesn't have gyroLmao.
>>738944852why would you want the natual position to be asymetrical?
>>738944485>Are you Asian?No, I'm a 5'11" hwite guy and I just have short fingers. My palms are the male average in width but my fingers are the female average in length, so like half an inch shorter than male average. The steam controller fits perfectly in my hand, my finger tips rest right on top of the back buttons, and they're way comfier to press than the back paddles on the deck. Shame about the controller not working out for you, but you'll probably get your money back and maybe some profit with how scarce the controllers are right now.
>>738944884well carpal tunnel is nerve problem and arthritis is joint problem. it’s like tinnitus it typically doesn’t happen all at once unless you’re in the army launching manpads in buildings but it’s irreversible and only progressive when you have it. the bigger your hands are the more of a strain it will be to reach the lower thumbstick
>>738942978Top on both sides like the Nintendo pro controller
>>738943328>>738943525Other way around. Sony got it right on the first try and Xbox had to differentiate itself with the shitty asym layout
>>738945067natural position is technically symmetrical but need to be at the top of the controller. right thumbstick is less utilized than left so you spend as much time on the face buttons so it evens out
>>738942978Top.>>738944284Wasn't really a fan of this. It felt awkward having the B button that far away from the right analog stick.
>>738944704It's glossy. Controllers should never be glossy, because they get mucked up with hand grease instantly.
Asymmetric feels awful. The Wii U controller is the best but for some reason no one else will use that layout, not even Nintendo themselves. So Playstation layout it is.
>>738945067For pushing buttons it's fine, then you have the right stick to rest on
>>738945062>Also literally useless, it was only added by Snoy to one-up the N64's single analog stick. Just having gyro is already mostly good enough for the right analog stick to be pointless, just use camera buttons you don't need anything more complicated than snap-turning and snapping the camera behind the player.What the fuck are you talking about LMAO. This has to be the most retarded statement I've ever seen on /v/
>>738942978Everything at the top is best.
>>738945062>stop stapling a d-pad to 3D controllersagreed, it should be a second set of face-buttons instead, like how most modern games actually use it. if you make it right, it might even be more useful used as a dpad than a traditional cross dpad would be. the left joycon has the best dpad of any controller i've ever used.>Just having gyro is already mostly good enough for the right analog stick to be pointless,absolutely not true at all. gyro is great, but only in combination with the right stick. you use the stick for big sweeping motions, and gyro for fine tuning. trying to play a first person game with just gyro sounds miserable.
>>738942978If you are looking for a universal controller, then the joystick should be on the bottom. This is why the dualshock can play every type of game decently with its layout
>>738945327>asymmetrical feels awful
>>738942978sticks are the least articulate input device we haveeven spinners are betterthe ideal place for a stick is in your palm, not on your thumbmodern trackpad tech is better, the steam controller 2 should have been aborted because of its stick placement (and presence of sticks in general)
>>738945608stick would need to be enormous to scale to the increased range of movement from driving it with your arms
>>738944912My hands are just big and thick from working construction. Xbox style is what works best for me generally.
>>738945175N64 had the stick above the grip a year before Sony even had sticks, and the Gamecube controller was also asymmetrical you fucking retard
>>738945806Yeah and they're both utter shit, tendie tard, that's why literally no one uses their layouts while the Dualshock basically perfected controllers
>>738945973Dualshock is literally Super Nintendo controller with sticks slapped on there where they could fit. Wii U Pro Controller is the best layout.
>>738945175N64 had the thumb stick in the top position relative to the hand. GameCube, Sega Saturn Dreamcast were the same the original dual stock on the ps1 was garbage. im pretty sure the sticks were so close together either the sticks themselves or your thumbs could hit each other, harming gameplay. Sony is the oddity, they got it wrong the first time and never looked back.
>>738945973i keep hitting my thumbs when going right with L3 and left with R3...
>>738946341Oh, you're retarded....
>>738946416i'm just over 18
>>738943130You don't need fucking leverage when using an analog stickYou need the most range of comfortable motion, which is provided by the stick being on the bottom as long as you have a properly formed human thumb
>>738945409Those sticks aren't at the top though. They are clearly in the middle. If the track pads weren't there at the bottom of the controller, then the sticks would have the exact same positioning as a playstation controller
>>738942978doesn't matter
>>738946481Apparently not mentally
>>738942978They should do a study on which is worse for your hands after 10 years consistent use. Whichever wins in that competition wins it all.
>>738946506how do you hold the controller where the bottom thumbstick is more in line with the natural movement of the hand
the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that the PS3 controller is one of the worst controllers ever made>small and cheap feeling>joysticks curved to the outside so thumbs are prone to slip>triggers ALSO curved to the outside so index fingers are prone to slip (this design decision still baffles me)>both joysticks on the bottom, not that big of an issue in the ps4 and ps5 controllers, but this one is small so here it feels like shitit basically brought back all the issues the ps2 controller had and added more
>>738946831yes the ps4/5 triggers aren’t much better but the 3 is a piece of shit
Here's the superior design
>>738946582we would have results by now but everyone suffers carpal tunnel from over a decade of pc gaming dominance
>>738942978I use my Dreamcast dailyI still prefer symetrical(Sony placement)Both are usable if anyone tells you otherwisee, he is a fanboy or an alien
yes or no
>>738946514they're higher
>>738942978I'm bottom.
>>738946587pic related is me just gently holding my controller and letting my thumb rest where it wanted to naturallyIf the joystick is too high up it causes more tension when doing constant joint movements of the thumb, where as in the lower position it allows for more ergonomoic range of movement (again, as long as your thumbs are properly opposed)I don't have the steam controller yet but it seems like their sticks might be in an even better position, kind of in between where the dpad and thumbstick would be on a normal controller, which is where my thumb seems to want to naturally position itself without tension
>>738942978bottom, easilyif you think otherwise then you're my enemy
>>738944485Anyone who complains about their thumbs touching probably has those fucked up long thin nigger thumbs
>>738948236interesting. my thumb is directly over a top thumbstick at rest
>>738947491
>>738948507Are you black?
Every time anyone has issues with this sort of thing either they're fat as fuck or they have some oatmilk bird claw of a hand.
>>738948671no I just use an Xbox controller and they have different geometry on the grips. yours and mine both are resting naturally in the crease of the palm
IMHO it doesn't matter. both xbox and playstation controllers are serviceable although sony has won by a landslide in recent years.gamecube controller was honestly okay for its time too but is miserable nowadays.all controllers can serve their function but some designs are more stupid than others.for example the new switch pro controllers would be genuinely good if they had actual triggers. the fact that they do not is highway robbery. i have a gamesir controller but i wanna get some white paint and paint over the logo. its a chinese company but well....yeah.
>the thumblet is still going at it
>>738948778>oatmilk bird claw of a hand.I am reading this on the toilet and started laughing so hard I nearly shit myself a second time.
>>738942978Dpad on top is better if you are playing fightans or any other games that are heavy on dpad usageOtherwise, stick on top is more comfortable
>>738942978Whatever other problems the platform has had (a lot), the Xbox controller has been the best around for a really long time.
>>738948781Interesting I still think sticks closer to the bottom are better, it causes less tension for me to keep my thumb extended lower than keeping it pressed higher towards my index finger
>>738949139fair enough. fwiw I think the Xbox controller needs to be bigger. I don’t even have that large of hands but it feels uncomfortable after about 4 hours of continuous use. I think my fingers are closed too far to hold the controller just because it’s small
>>738948221Gay
Bottom, symmetrical.The primary directions are both up and right.At the bottom, the pressure added by using those directions is directed towards the centre line of the pad and into your grip. Long term comfortable, less strain, doesn't tilt the pad balance.At the top, up is now tilting away from the centre, outisde of your grip and adding a minor tilt that your grip is compensating for. It's a minor force but over prolonged periods the ergonomoics of it create a strain.You could argue that it tilts towards the fingers you have on shoulders and triggers but they're generally loosely hold. A part of the hold but not the 'grip'. The grip is all palm/ring/pinky.
>>738946831>>triggers ALSO curved to the outside so index fingers are prone to slip (this design decision still baffles me)the controller also rests directly on them so it's almost impossible to place it down without accidentally pressing them
>>738942978I love sucking cocks, which one is right for me?
>>738950261obviously the gaystation
>>738949317You should try a Dualsense, legit one of the most comfortable controllers I've ever held
>>738949492This guy fucks
>>738949492>centreOpinion discarded
Left stick goes up top. I use all three, I just can't defend Sony's placement
>>738942978if the sticks are at the bottom you can reach the top buttons if your hands are big enough. Anyone that wants the sticks up are basically confirmed handlets.
>>738951028clean your fucking controllers you fucking ape holy shit
>>738951571It's clear that nasty faggots like this are the ones getting stick drift in less than a yearNot a single controller I've owned in all my years of gaming has ever noticeably drifted (that's not to say they haven't developed other issues)
>>738952016>Wash your hands>Don't eat greasy shit with your hands while playing>Occasionally use a wet cloth to clean the little crevicesThat's basically all you need to do.
>>738951059cute!
Top feels better
>>738943609shut up cuckwhat porn thread of your liking did this get archived?
>>738944949damn right brother. i just repaired mine with some of the old-style dotted thumbsticks, here's to another ten years of using this shit.
>>738946831I remember making a similar complaint many years ago and retards coming out to defend it at the time.
>>738942978Left stick at the top is obviously better in the majority of cases. I actually got a Playstation style controller specifically for playing some RPGs recently, using the D-pad predominantly. It's not a Sony controller though so it's not a piece of shit despite being in the same general family, so that's nice.
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>>738955295i wish there was a wired version>>738955341how many years ago, anon? during the 7th gen?
I want to try this controller.
>>738942978I've never minded ether stick placement. But what I will say is the Xbox D pad is fucking trash
>>738957746>i wish there was a wired versionwhat's the issue? latency or battery life?
so...I haven't played with an xbox controller in over a decade, can anyone tell me if the dpad of the xbox series x controller is as bad as the original x360 dpad or has it improved? because it sure looks similar
>>738959096battery life, I always hate relying on itwireless controllers have been common since the ps2 days but I could just never get into it, I mean I did use wireless controllers (obviously otherwise I wouldn't be praising the transofrming DPAD x360 one) but always with a bad taste in my mouth
Bottom makes more sense. Your thumb should rest of the outside of the stick closest to the d-pad. Somehow the d-pad seems too far away and the stick feels too small in the Xbox layout.
>>738959503i ended up ditching the rechargable pack that came with it and just got a 4-pack of rechargeable energizers to use with the AA shell instead, so i've always got fresh ones ready to go. I know what you mean though, i still resist wireless mouse and keyboard to this day.
>>738957746Near the end of the 7th gen, I had finally bought a PS3 and the PS4 was coming out soon.
>>738944704Based Desert Rose poster.
>>738943130>Top gives you better leverageLeverage is only an issue with retarded concave sticks that force you to bend your thumb inwards in order to keep it in the dip.
>>738946325>N64 had the thumb stick in the top position relative to the hand.Fuck no it didn't you retard, relative to how you hold the controllers the N64 stick would be to the bottom of the Dualshock D-pad and the left of the stick / the reverse for the xbox controller.
>>738943783This looks quite uncomfortable but then at the same time that hand also looks quite stocky and small.
>>738946831>>joysticks curved to the outside so thumbs are prone to slipLiterally how the fuck is this an issue, don't be a sweaty American eating chips in between touching the controller and your thumbs will never have a slipping problem.
>>738942978if the game i'm playing is fun i couldn't give two shits where my joystick is.
>>738964285what is this non reply? i dont think youre a human being
I play fighting games using an analog stick with the Playstation's layout.
>>738942978Xbox layout for 3D, PS layout for 2D.
>>738942978The only people that like the Xbox layout are pedros and tyrones that buy call of duty every year and play console FPS gamesEvery real game before then was made for heavy d-pad usage
>>738966201nonsense and also total rubbishshut the fuck up and fuck off
>>738966405truth hurts paco or d'marcus
>>738966201I barely remember using the dpad during the ps2 days for anything non fighting game
>>738946831IMO, Sony always had the controller layout right, but they didn't make a controller that felt good to use until the DS4.
>>738942978On my katana
>>738951059I loved my Dreamcast, but the controllers were a cheap piece of shit. The buttons felt cheap, the cord placement being at the bottom was retarded, not having two sticks was also dumb. All the budget obviously went to the VMU.
Are there controllers with a tilted d-pad?
>>738969545>pro Q-bert controller
>>738942978>Where does the left joystick belong, on the bottom or on the top?Comes down entirely to the size of your hands.Top left if you've got big hands, bottom right if you've got small.
>>738970323kek, I'd actually tilt my keyboard a little when playing qbert
>>738969545Is this theoretically comfortable?
>>738942978It depends on the game. Dpad on top for 2d, left stick on top for third person, and two stick up top for first person. Only right stick up is too niche to be practical but in theory it's good for 2d twins stick shooters.
>>738942978Well we already know you're a bottom, OP.
>>738972478Oof
The only reason the analog stick is at the bottom is because Sony needed to copy Nintendo as soon as they saw the N64 controller (nintendo held off from showing off their controller for a pretty long time because they knew it was that revolutionary) and Sony didn't want to create a completely brand new controller. The only space for them to add it was at the bottom of controllerSo the left joystock being at the bottom is a kneejerk afterthought and since more people owned the PSX than the N64, a shit ton of people learned to cope with the cramped spacing due to Sony cheaping out.The left analog stick is the main way of moving your character on screen so it should be placed in the primary space, which is where the d-pad is. Nintendo and Microsot got it right.
>>738942978Neither feels wrong, but I'm used to left. If I'm playing an old game any argument for one way or the other gets reversed anyways.
>>738977185>psx
>>738942978Depends on the gameWhichever's more important goes on top
>>738942978>on the bottom or on the top?either one, doesn't matter to me.
>>738943783/thread
>>738943783>covering the capacity touch sticksstupid nigger
>>738947807is trash. sorry.
>>738942978Bottom, symmetrical all the way
Xbox was the wost game controller i tried in my life.
>>738977185>The only reason the analog stick is at the bottom is because Sony needed to copy Nintendo as soon as they saw the N64 controllerNintendo didn't invent the joystick, you know that right? Sony didn't copy anything from the shitty N64 controller
>>738943783Uh?
>>738977856>normalfags complaining about the term PSXThis is a great demonstration of why you should use PSX
>>738945690I onced used those stick-lifts that were popular back on the 360. Felt pretty good to use for COD.
>>738977856this must have been in jest because he used ü
>>738982171Analog sticks were pretty shit before, used completely differently (mostly vehicle simulators) and joysticks are inherently hand held, whereas teh analog stick is for thumbuse.Point of the matter is that Nintendo recognized that 3d video games required analog controls now and still that d-pads still had their uses, hence [b][i]everyone[/i][/b] needing to copy the N64 controller. It's a revolutionary concept in the same way the steam engine was in the 1700s despite being invented Before Christ.If everyone has to immediately copy something like that, i think it's pretty revolutionary and especially because it changed how we controlled the characters.d-pad hasn't been important since 3d games took over, so why did Sony keep their analogstick in the "secondary" location while everyone else put the analog stick in the primary thumb location?Again, the popularity of the PSX and all its users learning to put up with the afterthought placement is the only reason the analog stick is at the bottom left instead of the best possible location (where the d-pad is).
>>738942978Bottom
>>738977856Duane Dibley is more of a famicom guy
>>738986126>The realization that the 30th Anniversary sticks will eventually melt like all the Dualsense rubber and finding an appropriately colored replacement is going to be near impossibleGod fucking damnit, I guess I need to get some stick caps or something
>>738942978I have both types and dpad being on top is objectively superior.
>>738942978Top.Bottom is extremely uncomfortable for my baby girly hands
>>738943336imagine having such mongoloid hands that you need a gap the span of an aircraft carrier for your ape-sized mitts. you fucking donkey. you absolute fucking rube.
>>738942978Top.Your hand is forced to leave its index and middle fingers on the shoulders.The left stick, being the primary function of the left thumb, should therefore be placed in a position relatively close to said fingers. You will receive a wider range of movement from a larger number of players that way.But I acknowledge my bias. I was a wee lad when the Gamecube came out and that has no small contribution to my opinion on the matter.
can I get uhhh dualsense with uhh wiiu controller battery life? is that so hard to make?
>>738942978Top, opposite to the face buttons. Symmetrical sticks are an ergonomic blunder.
>>738990064Do you have trouble wrapping your hand around a glass as well?Do you have to hold your sippie with two hands?
>>738990246Who are you talking to right now? I specifically said >You will receive a wider range of movement from a larger number of players that way.Trying to attack me specifically is a self-defeating argument.
>>738943783That's what had me excited about the Steam Controller the most honestly, Valve had the right idea with the Deck and now we can have it on a standalone controller. I'd get one for just the stick placement, it just makes sense.
Controllers are a flawed dogshit input designed for mass adoption and portability. There isn't a single genre of games where controllers excel outside of sportsball.
