>two literal whos were stronger than Luke, Vader, Palpatine and Yoda>everyone was completely fine with that
>>738960443Remember that this was back when there were levels to canon for Star Wars, so they could exist in their little zone without affecting anything outside of that. Also Starkiller is cool as an action game hero where you expect to do crazy off the wall shit on the regular. Same for Revan being this once in a lifetime Force legend.
>>738960443They weren't whos. They were literally me
>>738960443Revan wasnt stronger. His claim to fame was that he was an S tier leader, warmaster, and charisma chad. He was strong too sure, but not on the level of those other guys
Kyle Katarn and the Exile (male) are better versions of both of these characters
>>738960443There is no reason to think Revan was particularly "stronk" either with the Force or a lightsaber. He's a military tactician and charismatic leader.
>>738960595>>738960723This. Put him in a 1v1 against Yoda, Luke, Sidious, Starkiller and such he would probably lose. Put him in charge of The Clone Wars and he'd clown on everyone
>>738960645>Kyle Katarn>what if we take Han Solo and give him the Force and a laser sword
>>738960443They had hype moments an aura so it was cool.
>>738960723Isn't that kind of the framework of the whole series?That being funny, smart, caring and empathetic will get you way further in life than raw talent
Star Wars really needs to tone down this mask fetish that they try to force everywhere
>>738960851>>what if we take Han Solo and give him the Force and a laser swordI'd only have two nickels but it's weird it happened twice.
>>738960903>Caring>EmpatheticBenny couldn't be bothered to help his former apprentice and good friend with his secret tryst with a senator. He would rather stay incredibly hard line with the Jedi ordeals and it leads to said good friend confiding with a literal Sith lord that ended up manipulating him to doing his bidding. Real caring and empathetic of him.
>muh vaderI am so fucking sick of retard fans (and as a consequence, writers) hyping him the fuck up. He was always meant to be a kind of pathetic loser that was doomed to be a personal enforcer against low-value threats like old moffs and weak officers to keep them in line.
>>738961149Obi-Wan watched everything he had burn down around him and then was prematurely aged by the Tatooine suns, and was killed by his former best friend before skin cancer could get him.His life sucked. Which is what he gets for being a traitor and enemy of the state.
>>738960443It was ok because they were not women
>>738961237source?
>>738960443Starkiller was pure retard strength. The dude had the brain of a gonk droid, and was only ever good at killing shit. He's the starwars equivalent of pic related.
>>738961237Vader was stronk tho. He could style on Jedi Masters with one hand.
>>738961237Sorry anon, but official canon says Palps and Vader are the peak, and nobody else is close no matter what.
>>738961237No he was always supposed to hunt down jedi, otherwise Sheev would have had no further use for him.
>>738960443Self Insert for me goodSelf Insert for anyone else bad
>>738960443except they weren't stronger than vader or luke, yoda is debatable
Starkiller was canonically weaker than the Emperor.
>>738961370Anakin pre-quad amputee burn victim =/= suit vader
>>738961425He doesn't seem to be hunting Yoda or Obi-Wan in the OT. Seems like he already killed all the Jedi and Sheev had him move on to other Imperial business.
>>738961589Vader is just as strong as Anakin if not stronger, he just can't reach his full potential
>>738960851>>what if we take Han Solo and give him the Force and a laser swordThat sounds great actuallydo it again
>>738961630mfw Disney's rat lore says Anakin lost absolutely no potential from having half of his body replaced by machines and is only held back by his sads
>>738961743What the fuck really?
>>738960443Why is everyone on your list but Obi Wan? He's the one that beat Vader at max power, he would have owned palpatine too. He's both the strongest Jedi ever and the philosophically ideal Jedi, including humility
>>738961807Yeah Disney Vader is OP.
>>738961815>he would have owned palpatine tooYoda literally tells him that he wouldn't have
>>738960443It was before entertainment and politics became religion and things could just be fun
>>738961815>the philosophically ideal JediThat would be Luke before Disney's bullshit. Meanwhile, Obi-wan tried to manipulate a naive farmboy into assassinating his father.
>>738961815>he beat Vader, he would have beaten Sidious tooObi-Wan was so severely outclassed by Darth Sidious that Yoda didn't even want him around because Yoda has better odds against Palpatine 1v1 than if he had to babysit Obi-Wan during the fight.
>>738960832revan literally did lose to the emperor in the books. he got locked in a force sucking succubus chamber in the emperor's bitch room.
>>738961630>Vader is just as strong as Anakin if not stronger
>>738960723Both in universe and Meta contextually, Revan is an Anakin tier character. Likely born of the force himself since no one can tell you where the nigga comes from, and also he's been gassed up as being the living embodiment of the force.>>738960832Every fight you listed could go either way. I admit they could go either way because even Anakin lost at the height of his power. For what its worth in TOR both the Empire and Republic had to agree to a temporary cease fire to deal with just him. It took Satele, the grandmaster of the Jedi Order, Marr, a member of the Sith council, "literally you" (whose options include the Hero of Tython and the Emperor's Wrath), and a whole ass strike team to beat him. He's a beast
>>738961815Obi-Wan would have never beaten Palpatine. He only won against Anakin because Form III counters Form V and Anakin was being even more reckless than usual and Obi-Wan waited the entire fight for just one big mistake to capitalize on.
>>738960851>Han Solo is the Gary Stu power fantasy of Star Wars more than the magic space wizard samurais
>>738962023Anakin also wasn't going all out. He repeatedly asked Obi-Wan to fuck off and just leave, and didn't truly hate Obi-Wan until he was set on fire and left to die.
>>738961583Yeah but now that the sequel trilogy made him the strongest dude ever who needed Rey to magically channel every Jedi in history at once to defeat him, that doesn't really look that bad.
>>738960443Revan isn’t stronger than EU Palpatine, and people did hate Starkiller and called him a Mary Sue (which he was) when his games first released.
>>738960443>everyone was completely fine with thatyes because exar kun set the standard for anime tier star wars characters
>>738961743I have read the comics you are talking about. Yes it's pretty stupid, they essentially imply Vader just continued to get stronger.
>>738961807NTA but the new lore is that Vader deep down cannot let go of his love for Padame despite it all and because of that cannot fully embrace the dark side.Like if I recall their is a comic where during a dark side communion its explicitly laid out that if he was willing to give up his love for her he would be strong enough to even revive her, but then he gets caught up in there beign no point for him to have that strength in the first place.
>>738961937Vitiate is almost Palpatine level, no shame in losing to him.
>>738962140What kind of cope is this? Anakin spent the entire fight fully intending to kill him
>>738961815you cant really think this lmao. Palps would've ragdoll'd Kenobi
Starkiller isnt as strong as because he's not canon :^)
>>738961815Obi-Wan is D tier in terms of force power, his biggest strength was being a very talented user of the turtling fighting form.
>>738962283Who the fuck puts Surik above anyone
>>738962283>windu above tulak hord and BANEkek, gtfoutta here
>>738962283Why are you typing like a smug faggot and still including Old Republic characters in your faggot tierlist? Valkorion, Jadus, Baras, Marr/etc, etc aren't canon either in your faggy Yidney timeline.
>>738962283The characterization of Yoda's abilities got so retarded .
>>738962283Luke way too low WTF?
>>738960443The force was effectively a deus ex machina device for Anakin anyways. No matter how much stronger anyone could be compared to him and anyone around, they would ultimately either end up not fighting him or getting fucked over by circumstances
>>738962228The Dark Side doesn't flow fully through him until he's laying on the sand screaming at Obi-Wan. Thus no Sith eyes for the entire fight until it's ogre
>>738962378Bane is a fucking fraud who had a really cool philosophy idea
>>738962283>Maul and Savage in the same tier
>>738960443>Luke, Vader, Palpatine and YodaNah. The side material version of those characters were legit monsters.
>>738962297His biggest Strength was becoming a force ghost actually and that puts him in A tier in terms of force power
>>738962023>He only won against Anakin because Form III counters Form Vgiga fucking snooze fest holy shit, kill all lorecelsHe won because he was his FRIEND AND KNOWS HIM BETTER THAN ANYONE
>>738962476(He took it from Revan btw)
>>738962189Revan is literally a mary sue who never did anything wrong because he was so smart and clever and knew everything and fucked the hottest chick.Starkiller was a retard who couldn’t control his power but had heart and died trying to save people who mistakenly trusted him.
>>738962449>he's laying on the sandOoooooh thats why he's so upset in that scene. I always thought it was the lava + rapid weight loss plan.
>>738962534>friend brotherson*
>>738962283Why is Dooku there twice?
>>738962283>filonishit
>>738962558The difference is Revan was only like that off-screen where he couldn't effect the immediate plot and so gets a pass.And TOR is shit and nobody should respect it or its contributions not put them into consideration.
star wars isn't about power levels you brownoid
>>738962215I think I read in some book that him being in constant pain fueled his dark side powers, but he was prone to run out of steam faster due to being a cripple with burned lungs
>>738960443Honestly, if I knew the future of Darth Vader I'd be fine with this too. Everything he shows up these days he looks like a massive jobber. He takes so much damage like his helmet being broken or his respirator broken then at the very last minute he either gets the edge and wins or the other person gets the edge and escapes.
>>738962758lmao
>>738962860Vader in Legends/EU was an even bigger joke. At least he now gets insane feats like holding back the ocean and shit.
>>738962949>At least he now gets insane feats like holding back the ocean and shit.
>>738962860>Everything he shows up these days he looks like a massive jobberIf you seriously think this don't look at him in the EU where he was the designated jobber that lost to make someone look strong
>>738962434Master Luke (EU) is the 1st one in peak master.RotJ Luke only beat Vader with dark side shit.
>>738960443yeah literally nobody ever had a problem with people being strong bro idk why you would think that
>>738961815For some reason, despite him having very few feats and dying to Maul, I do believe that Qui-Gon could've defeated Palpatine.
>>738962283Wasnt Nihilus some kind of aberration with dark hole powers or some shit?
>>738960723Revan was incredibly powerful. Kreia literally says >Revan was power. It was like staring into the heart of the Force.
>>738963014Master Luke must be higher.
>>738962154>sequel trilogyWe're discussing canon.
>>738962283Where's Sha'gi?
>>738961370He could style on them during Knightfall because he cut off everyone in the Temple from the Force itself with his Chosen One ability. It was just a slaughterhouse.
>Have a non-sith code adherent Dark Side force faction (Knights of Ren)>Do nothing with them>Oh and they are sith code adherentOne of the many, many missed opportunities of Disneywars.
>>738962283Would honestly like to see more Yoda stories but Disney would fuck it up.
>>738963070Don't listen to Kriea, she doesn't know how the force works.
>>738960443>everyone was completely fine with thatDidn't the EUs make Luke and Prime Palpatine really powerful?
Talon games?
>>738960443Starkiller got a boost because he was a videogame protag in a game that was an obvious rip off of God of War, he still died in the end.I enjoyed The Force Unleashed and think the QTE boss endings are still some of the most kino Star Wars fights in the entire franchise.
>>738963183>its simple we kill the force Kreia is proof that as long as you sound confident enough, people will believe every word that comes out of your mouth.
Reminder: Nick Gillard worked with George to establish fighter tiers for how he would build the fight choreography.Tier 9>Darth Vader>Darth Sidious>YodaTier 8>Mace Windu>Anakin Skywalker (Jedi) (Episode III)>Obi-Wan Kenobi (Episode III)>Count Dooku>Darth MaulTier 7>Qui-Gon Jinn>Kit Fisto>Obi-Wan Kenobi (Episode II)and so on to the lesser Jedi
>>738963164The Knights of Ren were pathetic jobbers who got neg-diffed by Luke and Kylo Ren saw that and thought to himself "damn if my uncle should ever chimp out and try to kill me in my sleep, I'm definitely joining these losers to learn how to become as weak as them"
>>738963057Yes he would kill everyone on that list except the Exile
I dont get people who say past Jedi/Sith were stronger. Like people putting Kreia on Palpatines level because she saw a majority of the prequels events or because she can levitate lightsabers or saying Valkorion could defeat EU Luke or Abeloth. Starkiller is an outlier but the former confuses me.
>>738963327Lmao even if you buy into max Nihilus wank, he still isn't touching Luke.
>>738963070To begin with how can you fight the alpha version of Palpatine and not be stronger than most other elites in the force? It’s like saying you don’t need even basic athlete fitness and can still square up with MMA heavyweight champions. No bruh, no amount of technique and strategy can overcome that massive disparity in power, and in Star Wars The Force is literally power.It’s just a matter of in OT, peak Anakin had the highest ceiling but got cut off before he ever reached it, while in Revan’s case even at his peak he wasn’t able to match V’s power level 1v1. What’s wrong with that? It comes down to accumulation.Anakin is the Force saving up power for god knows how long to pop his ass out Jesus style so he could match Palps who had the rule of 2 dark side trust fund over millenniums while in TOR Emperor V had over 1000 years to get stronger before Revan came along. Even if Revan was alpha Anakin, the Force itself definitely didn’t have such a large savings account to give Revan at birth, so Revan had no chance to become as powerful as Anakin. During TOR where would the Force even begin saving money when everyone was spending like crazy?
>>738963421Why would he need to touch him? He would just devour the tasty Force buffet from across the room. Or from up in space.
>>738963414Abeloth got defeated by Luke and Krayt (who wasn't even close to being in his prime). Valkorion teamed up with any half decent Jedi would slaughter Abeloth.
>>738960443>OP makes up random shitkys faggot
>>738963086No, he has Padme's shit non-force baby genes, so he will never reach Anakin's peak, even if his mastery of the force got theoretically better than Anakin's, his human body would be too deteriorated by then compared to someone like Yoda who cheated with long-life span species hack.
>>738963421Was Luke ever considered above the average jedi master? I never saw him as anyone really strong, just the last of a dying order
>>738963414To be fair with Valky, he has absurd feats like eating every single living thing on a planet while being basically a disembodied spirit. The guy was near-unkillable and if playerpower didn't stop him he probably would have actually been able to make his plans of rebooting existence with himself as the force come to fruition.
>>738963589EU Luke is retarded gigastronk
the old republic stuff is deliberately set thousands of years in the past from the films so that is a nonissuestarkiller was called out as an OP mary sue you're just 15 years too late for any remote memory of those threads
>>738963589His sensitivity is surely above average otherwise luck would abandon his ass like they did countless Jedi. This doesn’t make him flat out stronger but being able to land d20s like you’re part of the Yami Yugi family surely helps.
>>738963421NTA but Nihilus actually is just an high tier force user that hard counters others based off how connected to the force they are, thanks to basically being an force vampire.The Exile fucks him up because when Nihilus tries to drain The Exile its a void trying to drink a void and that in turn disrupts his power.
>>738960443Over ten fucking years and Rey trannies are still seething about no one liking her movies
>>738963686Yeah, he has plot armor sure and you might imply the force looked over him and kept him safe but he never pulled big demigod feats
>>738960443>>two literal whos were stronger than Luke, Vader, Palpatine and YodaBecause they earned it!Mary sue palpatine didnt earn shit! She was nothing more than the feminist writers insert of their bitch ass boss kethleen kennedy.Star wars is dead to me because of disney. George lucas may have fucked up the prequels. But atleast episode 3 was good. I have zero interest in star wars now. I come to star wars threads to hate on those responsible for the crimes they commiitted to my favorite franchise. But disney can win me back. If they publicly apologize for what theyve done and completely shit on everyone who had a hand in the awful sequel trilogy. Declare the sequels non cannon get someone talented to make a new sequel trilogy and completely disavow and shit on jj abrams, ryan johnson, dave filoni, kathleen, kennedy, bob iger, etc.
>>738963591>eating all life on planets and cutting them off from the force entirely >can actively possess entire planets at a time and spreads like turbo plague>can put shards of his soul into jedi across the galaxy as sleeper agents and even when activated nobody can sense the darkness in them All of this shit and he was still terrified of his BPD daughter to the point of needing to condition her with a safeword to turn her off if she ever attacked him.
>>738963814Of course not, he wasn’t even the chosen one that’s his dad.
>>738960443Revan tries to fight a real Sith Emperor and gets BTFO instantly though.
>>738963856Goes hand in hand with pure dark side specs. You gain massive power but your sanity slowly gets corroded and basically has you making stupid decisions over time.
>>738963908Which one?
>>738963090No you weren't. Check OP's image again.
>>738964034>achieve power and authority>make idiot decisions because afraid to lose it>pic related
>>738963908To be fair I don’t think Revan or possibly even the Jedi had access to the broken ass form Mace was using back then right? That thing would have evened the odds a bit more.
Say it
>>738964262https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z8bG-ARjsA
>>738964150Mace fucked himself over when he got all uppity over Anakin taking his spot, but then again when you are played by Sammy J you have at least 50% chance at jobbing.
>>738964262Hello
>>738964201They had Form VII Juyo in KotOR but not Vaapad, which is super speshul Juyo
>>738964150Kit Fisto's still cool...
>>738964363Imagine Vaapad was the legacy of some Revan fanboy, would be hilarious as hell.
>>738964357there
>>738960851and kyle's games are some of the best star wars games if not the bestfunny that
>>738964357>>738964440General Kenobihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbYi3arisw8
>>738964393
>>738963908Not canon
>>738963014EU Luke is stronger than anyone else on the list.
>>738960443https://youtu.be/w2I_A3UM344
>>738961421In that stretch of the galaxy yeah. Just walk down a few universes down Disney Avenue and see if they dare mess with Mickey Mouse or Pooh Bear during baseball season.
I love Star Wars powerlevel autism threads bros
is Disney really noncanonizing the sequels?
>>738960443Strength isn't what defines power in Star Wars. Or at least shouldn't be. Power level wank was never needed there, at least in OT.>Luke: barely winging it with whatever training he had>Vader: old knight in a life support suit>Palpatine: one trick pony with a lot of destructive intent but no means to shake off a dude who grabbed him from behind>Yoda: wars not make one great
>>738960595My endgame kotor1/2 MC could easily anally annihilate any of the OG sith and jedi>Spams flurry at you
>>738964816In 2 weeks
>>738964393>>738964616Epichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glqhB1ULYXE
You’re all wrong. The strongest is definitely this guy.
>>738964816No. All of their other shit links up with the Sequels. They would need to tear it all down and they would never admit defeat in that manner.
>>738964863The only starfighter pilot to command a Super Star Destroyer.
>>738961807Yeah. It's a weird walk back when, more or less, it seemed to be half the point of Lucas introducing midichlorians to the lore (lose body parts = lose power level = weaker jedi/sith). The other half of course being to explain how the force could conceive a lifeform.
>>738963830Starkiller didn’t earn anything. He was absurdly, irrationally powerful from day 1.
>>738964819Power levels exist for sure, but that’s part of the charm of why it doesn’t define the series. It’s exactly having power levels but not having them determine results often that makes it so Wild West instead of being easily predictable.
>>738964262>>738963230>discussing with red fly studioHe got good taste.
>>738960443Over time I have come to hate Star Wars as an IP. To the point where everything besides the first trilogy just pisses me off. All the expanded universe OC bullshit, the other tacked on movies, all of it.Star Wars as a franchise on the whole is worse and more autistic than Sonic the Hedgehog fanfic shit
It does bother me that there's two clones (Force Unleashed) running around the galaxy, they're stronger than Vader AND Palpatine, and then they're never ever addressed again.
>Dave Filoni puts himself into Star Wars>he makes himself the best pilot of the New RepublicBe honest anon, if you were in the lisping little queer's position, would you do the same?
>>738964908Damn straight. And while everyone mentioned here is dead, he’s still kickin’
>>738964816If they were smart at all they'd make everything except the OT and maybe the KOTOR games noncanon and just start over from there. It's Disney though so they won't.
>>738965126No, I’d have some dignity and make myself someone that dies horribly.
>Star War x Kingdom Heart fanficRinoa Heartilly and her fate have fallen to the dark side.
>>738965174To the contrary, expect Disney to remake the OT (again, har har har) with more diversity (again, har har har) with additions so that it works better with their shitty Sequels.
>>738960443Starkiller beats Vader because he has access to Vaders one true hard counter (force lightning fucking up his suit), but the second he fights Palpatine he jobs hard
>>738965126Jesus fuck I just noticed his character's name is "Trapper Wolf"What a tremendous, dog fucking fag.
>>738960443well starkiller had a fucking kickass trailer where he yanked a star destroyer down from the skyyou can do silly mary sue shit, but you have to lean INTO it, not pretend to play it straight
>>738965290By the time Starkiller comes out Palps IQ has already started dropping from the dark side debuff. It’s not as clear cut as it should be.
>>738963414Valkorion is Sheev on steroids but with Nihilus' mass planet force culling powers too.
>>738965126no way, i'd take lessons from the stunt coordinator and do a hilarious or cool as fuck stunt and/or death
>>738965126I'd want to be a goofy storm trooper that gets clowned on memorably. Like that one that gets mind tricked by Obi-Wan or something.
>>738964816>>738964879They're basically doing to the sequels whst they did to the prequels after the buyout. I.e. ignoring them without actually doing anything about their existence.
>>738960443Starkiller wasn't stronger per say, just that his attunement with the force was uncontrollable
>>738965126Yes, because it is easter egg stuff.
>>738962219What? That's dumb. Wasn't half the point about the revival stuff being Sheev bulshitting him, and when he realises that it's not possible he's already in too deep to turn back?
>>738960443Palpatine, Vader, and Luke would rape them.
>>738965809Sheev was bullshitting him about being able to stop Padme from dying to begin with. The resurrection stuff is all Disney comics stuff.
>>738965809Its meant to be a callback to the idea of the super powered ancient Sith bullshit across the EU and explaining why Vader isn't on that level. But it turn does the exact issue you expressed.
>>738966428She looks like she fucks jedi human males
>>738965290Not just the lightning but absolutely overwhelming Vader and Palp with near bullshit levels of force abilities. It's essentially throwing everything and the kitchen sink plus the whole foundation.
>>738964863"I'm the strongest!"
>>738965126No I'd pull a Peter Hackson and just insert myself in as a rando civvie looking shocked at some space wizard bullshit unfolding (I would however provide a bunch of commentary and interview shit for the nerds to stuff into books and character encyclopedias)
>>738961630They're the same person retard
>>738964816they'll do a multiverse cop out with the world between worlds so the few sequelfags can cope while they reboot the franchise while also keeping stuff like andor or mando thats pre ST canon
>>738963736the game doesn't even explain that either i didn't realize it till later, is it visible with the mod
>>738962283Is the woman up in Santa that OC whose creator ships her with Lana?
>>738965126>Be honest anon, if you were in the lisping little queer's position, would you do the same?No but I WOULD canonize the dumb Jedi OC I had as a kid, Tythok Greigan, and hire Snoop Dogg to play him in his background cameo.
>>738961237Nah Vader was a beast canonically. He was the Sith's Terminator or Jason Vorhees. Nothing fancy, just strolls up as an unstoppable force and fucks you up in a straightforward way
>>738960443Meetra Surik was the more powerful of the two Kotor protags, and a lot of that came from the whole force wound thing. Revan was more a tactician/general along with being VERY charasmatic.Starkiller being so powerful was a weird one but the games were never part of the canon. It was the book version that was and a lot of the cooler and more impressive feats you do in the games, aren't in it. He's still strong as hell but not crazy OP like in the games. Take the Star Destroyer, it was already falling and it takes Starkiller everything he's got to tilt it so it doesn't nosedive and he passes out afterwards.
>>738961815lel Obi Wan lost to Count Dooku. Sheev would've cooked his ass in one move.also, FUCKING LEL at thinking Episode III Anakin was Vader at max power. Little bitch was blinded by rage. The dark side only makes you powerful when you channel the power, not when you use it like a blind retard. Vader is weaker but he masters his rage channeling through his powers, not the other way around.
>>738967036This, though I don't think she could defeat Revan 1x1.She was actually more dangerous than him, not more powerful, which is not the same.
>>738962283Shouldn't Nihlus be higher just by the nature of how his power works. He basically fucks anyone who isn't Exile since Exile hard counters him with the whole 'Wound in the Force' thing
>>738967036The important bit of context that people forget about Force Unleashed is that Starkiller gets fucking eviscerated by Palpatine, and he's only able to beat Vader by the skin of his teeth, and doesn't manage to kill him regardless. Galen is very powerful, but ALL Force users in those games are ludicrously over the top in their feats not just him.
>>738967070Anakin was never blinded by rage in Episode III (except maybe when he's screaming his head off after Obi-Wan cuts off his arm and legs). He tries multiple times to get Obi-Wan to just go away. Though that ends with the same conclusion that Anakin wasn't Vadering at 100% when fighting Obi-Wan on Mustafar.
>>738962283>speaks about canon>includes chars from Disney Wars>but refuses to include chars from the sequel trilogyso this is what maximum autism looks like
>>738967203He's also not nearly as stronk in the novelization of TFU.
>>738967239>He tries multiple times to get Obi-Wan to just go awayName them
Why did Luke do it?
>>738967287He literally says>don't make me kill youIt's not like he sees him mad dogging him at the top of the ramp and charges him in a berserk fury. In fact, Obi-Wan draws his lightsaber first before they fight.
>>738967305Kek he looks so fucking deranged there
>>738967203Only reason why he dies is because they take their eyes off Palpatine and he force lightnings till kingdom come until starkiller sacrifices himself. Vader was a husk but alive, but gets bodied by a clone who essentially drowns him in lighting.
>>738967305What a fucking retarded scene holy shitI remember I couldn't believe myself in the theater.Didn't even bother to watch TROS.
>>738967334And after that they go at it until one of them is defeated, yes, there is no "multiple times" here
>>738960443And then those EU forcekiller fucks show up.....Yeah, feeling so cool and strong now, huh?
>>738967305The skywalker gene kicked in
>>738967036How are the games not canon but the book version is? Feels like that conflicts with things unless the writer of TFU also did the games. Reminds me how Spider-man should be pretty broken as a street hero but then is losing to vulture.
>>738965126>look it up >its real Christ he really is just one giant manchild
>>738961815he got lucky and had the high ground
Why did Disney have them fight again? They should have never met until Ep4 again. Obi Wan & Boba Fett got shafted hard in there own shows.
>>738961815Old and rusty obi wan also absolutely raped wanked vader in that dogshit obi wan disney+ show
>>738961630>Vader is just as strong as Anakin if not strongerAccording to canon lore, if you lose part of your body, you lose the Midichlorians that lived in that biomass. Vader lost all his limbs, was then poorly trained in the dark side of the force, and forced to use robotic limbs that specifically prevented him from being able to use Force Lightning, his master's main gimmick.I don't think we ever see a feat by Vader that couldn't have been done by Anakin.
>>738965126At best, give myself a wilhelm scream death.
>>738965067Starkiller trained under vader since he was a child. Rey palpatine was written to be as powerful as a fully trained jedi from the start, yet she had not ever seen a lightsaber in her life, nor did she know of the force. She was OP straight outta the gate. OP characters can be fun if they are well written. But not her. Because she never did anything wrong in the movies and was always right. Do you know who writes female characters like that? Female narcisissists and beta bitches like j.j, abrams, ryan johnson and dave filoni. And man hating feminists cunts like katheleen kennedy and that assistant she hired from harvey weinstein, leslye headland.I'm so sick of fucking feminism. It's evil and must be destroyed!
Jader Korr beat Kyle Katarn
If you ever wanna remind yourself how truly, truly bad Star Wars is under Disney remember they almost greenlit a crossover with DC.
>>738967747That's the old lore. Disney's lore is that the injuries on Mustafar only diminished Vader in that he perpetually feels sad about what happened.
>>738967681>gets a chance to kill Vader once and for all after not doing it the first time>just leaves him there scott-free it's Luke's problem now lol
>>738967954>So be it, my friend is truly dead... Goodbye... Darth.>Enjoy the next 10 years of mass murder while I train your son to kill you.>*does not elaborate*>*leaves*
This was a cool duel.
>>738966825Its been so long since I played without restored content and its been a few years in general but it was a line that Handmaiden says, if not her than Kreia.
>>738968034>Proceeds to not train Luke for 9.9 YearsObi's just a lazy fuk
>>738967305Because despite all the jedi drivel he tried to absorb he's still human first.
>>738968041>two retards swinging bats at each otherI get that Rey has minimal sword training (which makes it comical that she btfos Kylo every time they fight), but what's Kylo's excuse?
>>738968097*like that Visas says.Its after work where I'm at and I exhausted so sorry about that.
>>738967305>OT Luke: I redeemed my father, one of the worst murderers I can name and will endeavor to do better for the future>nu Luke: I had a vision that my nephew may turn out similar to my father ... so instead of trying to guide him and change the future, as I implored even Vader could do on his deathbed, I will instead attempt to murder him in his sleep for no reason. This will destroy my sister and best friend's marriage btw and become a self fulfilling prophecy, pushing Ben to the darkside.What happens when hack retards write characters allegorically
>>738968138Its supposed to be bad on purpose according to the remaining Nu Wars fans that exist in the world.
>>738967681>>738967954>>738968034It was so fuckng funny that Hayden Christensen was still so good at lightsaber fighting that he had to slow down and basically sandbag so Ahsoka's actress could keep up with him
>>738960443Remember when video games could be cool because some retarded nerd wasn't gatekeeping literal slop lore? like i know luke didn't actually kill a thousand jawas even tho he did in super star wars
if it has lazer swords, ships, and the force who gives a fuck.
>>738968369Yes, I'm wasn't able to get into Cal's game because it's always made clear he's a jobber and anything he does doesn't fucking matter
>>738968209Who are you quoting?
Why was Ahsoka so strong?
>>738960443No. They are. Not.TFU Novelization. Starkiller got thrashed by Kazdan and Shaak Ti. And Revan. Yes, he's among one of the stronger characters. Jedi:1. Luke (Post-EU/Crucible/Legacy)2. Outlander/Alliance Commander/Hero of Tython3. Yoda4. Mace Windu (Shatterpoint)5. Ulic Qel-Droma6. Kyp Durron7. Jaina Solo-Fel8. Galen Marek9. Mara Jade-Skywalker10. Kyle KatarnSith:1. Valkorion2. Sidious (Undisputably the strongest Sith according to Lucas; but Valkorion is three Sith in one and had an Empire lasting for 4k years longer than Palpatine's)3. Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo (Invincible/Flow-Walking)4. Exar Kun (Jedi Academy)5. Darth Vader (Knightfall)6. Darth Krayt (Legacy: War/Reborn)7. Darth Jadus (Second only to the Emperor)8. Darth Revan9. Darish Vol10. Celeste Morne (Karness Muur Possesion)>>738960978Filoni took too many liberties with TCW. So I take him with a pound of salt.
>>738968559Both quotes in that post appear to be labeled with who said them. You some kind of retarded?
>>738968369i remember when every single game based on movies were fucking trash too, star wars was one of the few that was decent
>>738968573She's Dave's special little princess.
>>738968641But he never said any of that.
>>738968573I can't believe filoni expects us to take the maul show seriously after this
>>738968583props
>>738968583Where does Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker slot on the Jedi list? 5?
>>738968821Maul was never that good but I also believe he should have killed Ahsoka.
>>738968041This was awful
>>738961815Everybody forgets that it isn't just about raw power. Kenobi's more defensive style, Anakins arrogance and the most important part everyone glosses over: Obi Wan trained Anakin since he was a kid, went on countless missions with him as a teen/adult and knew him like he knew himself (personality, lightsaber combat and battle tactics included). This is why Kenobi could more than stand a chance and eventually won.
>>738961237>t. Sidious
If Obi-Wan showed up while Anakin was massacring the Separatist leadership council, he would have beat Obi-Wan's ass. Dealing with Padme threw Anakin off his groove.
>>738968994Anakin is above Yoda. Mortakin (Mortis Anakin) is #1. Superseding Luke.
>>738969240Sidious had very complimentary things to say about Darth Vader.
>>738961743That's gay, he's supposed to be a gimped cripple on life support with uber force powers but critically weak to lightning.He's Palpatines bitch who he's actively trying to overthrow and vice versa
>>738961815>that beat Vader at max powerlol
>>738963290>Kit FistoIs he related to Glup Shitto?
>>738969260Gillard said Anakin only got on Yoda's level when amped by the Dark Side.Though I guess technically Jedi Anakin could still get that amp, since he draws on the Dark Side to btfo Dooku
>>738969142Powerscalers dont take nuance or context into account. They just think anything is supposed to win due to being “the biggest and da baddest” because their only exposure to media is DBZ and deathbattle
>>738967556That's part of what mades Star Wars such a mess back in the day. Generally if there was a book version of a game, the game version wasn't canon.Sometimes it made sense though like KotOR was a cyoa game so a canon book could set what the canon route was.
>>738969325>"You will not stop me."That should be "You will not stop the Sith.", because the next line doesn't make grammatical sense. This line threw me out until I found out over a decade later that the Sith were all about having successive apprentices being stronger than the last.
>>738961743>Disney's rat lore says Anakin lost absolutely no potentialIt never said this.
>>738963038>I do believe that Qui-Gon could've defeated Palpatineholy retard
>>738964702>blablablablablablabalbalbal
>>738967036>Starkiller being so powerful was a weird oneEveryone forgets that around the time The Force Unleashed was being made, the Havok Engine was the hot new thing in gaming, meaning it served the story, rather than the story serving the gameplay. It really is as simple as that.
>>738969671When he said "me" he either meant "me or the plans I have put in motion" i.e Vader or "even if you beat me, Vader is still there and will beat you". I guess.
>>738969734Rat Lore: Lords of the Sith novel>His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight.ye olde good star wars lore, Revenge of the Sith novel>you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory
>>738970114It didn't HAVE to be Starkiller, a new character, though.
Name ONE force user you could defeat Mace Windu in a lightsaber duel. You can’t, because canonically he is the strongest duelist in galactic history. His Form VII is easily the most lethal style of lightsaber fencing. If you disagree, it’s because you’re racist.
>>738969325Iirc isn't the main reason behind Vaders constant mistreatment in the post prequel EU that the emperor is incredibly pissed at him for getting fucked up by kenobi and reduced to a robo gimp?
>>738970442I cannot refute this
>>738970442I'm pretty sure Jedi Master Dooku was supposed to be able to out duel Windu. Obviously his super special OC donut steel lightsaber form would put him over Tyranus, but he wasn't always evil.
>>738968041>GUYS REMEMBER ANAKIN AND OBI WAN'S DUEL AT MUSTAFAR???>WHAT IF WE REMADE THE SCENE WITH THE TWO OCs OF THE SEQUEL TRILOGY BUT GET THIS, INSTEAD OF LAVA.... THERE'S WATER????
>>738970674>Also we don't bother teaching them how to sword fight.
>>738970536Nonsense. Did you forget that Dooku’s master was brought to his knees by Windu? Dooku was still Sheev’s apprentice at the time of his death.
>>738960443This was a good end to the Skywalkers tale.
>>738970504From what I've read in the post-Prequel, pre-OT EU (which isn't a huge amount), Palpatine is usually salty at Vader for not being able to let shit go. Vader is always losing his shit over wanting to kill Jedi while Palpatine wants him to do other, more productive things.
>literal demon fueled by hatred who was trained from birth to only kill >Once a good man led to the dark side because he believed it was a necessary evil to achieving peace and order >person that should have died but was unnaturally revived as a robotic monsterIs it gay that it took me 20 years to realize they're all aspects of Vader?
>>738970979It isn't explicitly stated in any of the movies so not really.
>>738970943
>>738970826Here's a bigger version.
>>738967036>>738970405Everyone forgets that starkiller is a trained monkey who spent his whole life being taught to murder people by Vader himself. He's not actually that powerful compared to everyone he faces in either the game or the novel, he's just the sith equivalent of a methed up chimpanzee being thrown at relatively normal people.
I haven't consumed anything star wars since the clone wars cartoon and nothing since has convinced me to change that.
>>738971180Given how difficult it tends to be for Yoda to move stuff in the movies, the ease with how Starkiller picks up and ragdolls Stormtroopers would indicate he's extremely powerful. At least as powerful as Darth Tyranus.
>>738967036I hate Meetra. Never understand why they made the exile a Revan simp. The game implied they hated each other.
>>738970979>Filoni ruined all of these guys taking away either their cool factor or nuance
>>738971332Fucker ruined Clones too.
>>738970442Wasn’t Grebious able to give Windu a fight.
>>738971396In the novelization of Revenge of the Sith, Windu is extremely reluctant to fight Grievous again (after fighting him in the Episode III prequel novel Labyrinth of Evil) because Grievous's droid brain can copy Vaapad and if he fully learned Vaapad, he'd be able to btfo any Jedi.
>>738971396windu just force crushed his lungs and he became useless
>>738971396…what? The only time they met Windu instantly crushed Grevious like a bug, forcing him to retreat. Grevious is physically strong and fast enough to kill typical Jedi Masters, but next to Windu he’s a helpless babby.
>>738971563we need a grievous game NOW
>>738971301The thing to remember is that all the forve users in that game can do that. It's not depicted as anything particularly special. Case in point, Kazden was barely even a knight and he's strong enough to build a live sized replica of the jedi temple and use the force to animate an entire army to guard it.
>>738971675Whoops, sorry he was actually a master apparently, but still.
>>738961743In extended lore sith are weird. They can hold their dissected body by just hate and anger. If anything his sad held him back because he didnt turn into anger
>>738971396Dooku can fight Grievous with one hand in a sparring match and in that same session he told him to never encounter skilled Jedi head on.
>>738968583I don’t think strength wise Jadus can do anything better than Revan based on what we’ve seen so far, but man when it comes to playing the chess board it’s indeed enough for him to rank above Revan.
how does the power level in SW work?Like Yoda is supposed to be the wisest most revered Jedi in all of the Republic, thus being like a super proficient force user, but he is weaker than Windu because Windu is the master of a technique that combines both light and dark side, but both are weaker than Obi-Wan, who is younger and less proficient in basically everything, but he is the best defensive lightsaber duelistI mean, it does have more nuance that DBZ, but I don't get what determines who is stronger or weaker desu
Lucas said Luke is supposed to the strongest Jedi ever in history. So anything above that is power creep.
>>738971309>I hate Meetra. Never understand why they made the exile a Revan simp. The game implied they hated each other.This isnt true, the jedi chain of command was like Revan->Malak->Exile and the Exile was in charge of Malachor V because she was competent and neither a Revan simp or hater, just doing a job. It was Malak that recruited the exile and wanted to kill her while she was comatose post Malachor V but Revan intervened. The whole dynamic was changed by the book to be opposite of what is described in KOTOR2.
Phantom Menace>Empire Strikes Back>A New Hope>Return of the Jedi>Clone Wars>Revenge of the Sith>>>>>>>sequels
>>738971824Did Lucas say Luke would go on to be the strongest Jedi ever because Luke in Episode VI is hardly anything special, from what we see in Lucas's own movies.
>>738971309Id say resented rather than hate and the exile had to like Revan on some level to follow him into the Mandalorian war.
>>738971808Every character has strengths, weaknesses and specific traits that all play off of each other, as is the case in any decent fictional universe with battling at it's core.
>>738971808It’s like modern games with lots of rpg elements. Instead of having a clear cut hierarchy everyone have different builds and thus many lose to builds specifically convenient at countering them.
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>>738971808Yoda has lived for centuries and had ample time to study and train and meditate over the living Force. But even couldn’t see or properly address Palpatine sitting in the same room as him for over a decade and the shroud of the dark side clouding him. Alot of SW isn’t cut and dry it takes into account force training which ties into lightsaber proficiency which is as much a mental game as it is a physical one.
>>738971808Just remember at the end of the day when Lucas made Star Wars it was his white man version of wuxia in space. In wuxia it’s common to rank and wank but the stories that play out almost always end up subverting them during exceptional scenarios, so while not mocking power levels it’s always a theme to not judge things too simply. Stuff like mental conditions, spiritual conditions, physical conditions, the battlefield itself, the build up of karma, etc etc all plays into foreshadowing the results of big battles in order to tell a dramatic story.
>>738971882Thr game implied Revan picked and chose people he didn't like to be on Malachor hoping they'd all die. It also implied Revan was aware of the Exile's ability to form force bonds with their comrades and purposefully avoided them because of it.
>>738971934Don't remember if he said Luke had the potential to be the strongest or if he had reached the highest limits.But one thing is it's obvious that power in Star Wars is not supposed to be your ability to do feats. It's a spiritual power. Luke defeated the emperor but putting away his weapon and loving his father. He didn't do better back flips or force tricks than the emperor. It's very Christian. The new stuff lost it and is just "power is purely physical and about war."
>>738960645>>738960851Say what you want about the quality of the writing, but this guy is cooler than any character Disney made up.
>>738971309someone wanted to write a girl with daddy issues
>>738972168Wouldn't that make Anakin the strongest Jedi since he overcame his spiritual turmoil to kill the Emperor? Luke would have just died otherwise.Perhaps Lucas meant that Luke embodies what the Jedi are meant to be better than anyone else.
>>738972168To be fair if you repeat the same themes over and over again it only cheapens it. Love can indeed turn things around and save the day but if love is the key to every battle then you’re not fighting wars you’re playing house.
>force heal is basic bitch light side power>Anakin fell to the darkside because he need force heal>no jedi master knows how to use that to prevent Anakin's fallThat Jedi Order deserves to get wiped out, all of them are fucking retards.
>>738972168This only worked because Anakin was the original chosen one. If Anakin was some random Jedi and the chosen one was already dead like Yoda/Mace/Obi then Palpatine would have won flat out no questions asked no matter how you betrayed him. It’s only by having sufficient power that you can start looking into secondary elements that sway battle, an ant will never threaten the Death Star,
>>738972425Did the original trilogy or even the prequels show us proper force healing? Like forget limb regeneration I do not recall anyone being able to close up a blaster wound let alone lightsaber wound but it’s been a long time after all.
>>738972425You need to be really good at it like how EU Barriss was an exceptional healer or how Bastilla was proficient at battle meditation.
>>738971914>baby darth vader blows up a mini death star and jar jar binks>better than ESB and New Hopeno
>>738972503No, nothing like that. Force Healing debuts in The Mandalorian where Baby Yeed pulls it out of his ass, which was done so that when Rey pulls it out of her ass in Episode IX, shills could say "see, it has precedent!"
>>738972547jar jar binks was funnythere i said it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owNFQrk5qks
>>738968821Maul's show is about him looking for an apprentice because he knows he's cooked otherwise
>>738972547It's not better than ESB but is in fact better than ANH
>>738972585He's got a bit too much dialogue imoI recently rewatched some of PM and found that anakin in the pod race was way less annoying than when he was in the orbit battle because he wasn't making any quipsjar jar suffering is amusing, jar jar talking a lot is less amusing
>>738963230I was busting loads before the sequel trilogy if I remember correctly.Darth Talon is probably one of the most remembered EU characters from sex appeal alone.I don’t know if she was actually a well written character.
>>738972562I'm not trying to defend disney wars and I didn't even watch the mando but didn't baby yeed had some training at the temple?
>>738972602You got that in reverseOnly ESB is worse than TPM
>>738972636It's fucking wild that in the most light hearted of all six Star Wars movies, we are introduced to Jar Jar and are told that he will be put to death if he returns to Otoh Gunga. He even only agrees to go through the core with the Jedi because he remembers that the other Gungans are literally going to execute him.
>>738972562Ah so it’s one of those spells that were patched out when they streamline the game for casuals.
>>738972297The way you understand strength is exactly what I am saying got fucked up. Luke is stronger because he redeemed and his father and resisted the temptation. It has nothing to do with who could 1v1 the emperor. Anakin is proffessized to destroy the Sith. But the way it happens is he first is weak and falls to them. Than he is redeemed and killed them.The act of redeeming the father was the real strength. And it had nothing to do with who is the better fighter.Not that strength has zero to do with fighting.>>738972325Old Trilogy had both power of love and power of violence. The newer stuff especially the games focuses only one the war part. Its supposed to be profound and deeply Christian that love wins the final battle.
>>738972654>I don’t know if she was actually a well written characterThe fact that no one knows her character says it all.
>>738971396Contradictory sources. Clone Wars Gendy had WIndu oneshot Grievous with the Force, RotS novel Windu was afraid he wouldn't beat him before copying his Form to perfection.>>738970442Hack answer but couldn't Kenobi do it?
>>738972636Jar-Jar works when hes playing off the seriousness of the main characters without being comedic relief. Like hes absolutely fine during the ocean scene and commenting on the absurdity of nearly being eaten by giant sea creatures. He sucks when Lucas thinks stepping in literal shit or getting farted on by an alien camel is peak humor. If Lucas was smart despite being clumsy they could have shown he was really well liked and even charismatic by having him help convince Boss Nass to help Naboo. Which would explain how he got an entire Galactic Senate to give emergency powers to Palpatine.
>>738972428Yes it all works because of prophecy. And the prophecy is WEIRD. Which is very biblical. Think of David is a random Shepard in the bible and God says that he is going to change the fate of a nation.The emperor thought he was thwarting prophecy by controlling Anakin but what he was actually doing was setting him up for a single moment where meeting his son leads to a chain of events that galaxy forever.
>>738963230What is it about the head tentacles that doesn’t throw people off? On paper it should be viewed with disgust.
>>738965126>Turns Grievous into a bumbling jobber of the week>Makes Clone Commando's flashy incompetents to prop up his own OC's what's his problem with hating the coolest shit?
>>738972863our brains probably turn them mentally into huge dreads or a hat
>>738972748>It has nothing to do with who could 1v1 the emperor.We're on the same page. Anakin couldn't 1v1 the Emperor any more than Luke could. He gains strength from his love for his son which allows him to sacrifice himself in order to destroy Palpatine, something that nobody could do in a fight. Luke begs Anakin to come back, but it's Anakin who is able to find the strength to do it.
>>738972716supposedly in EU jar jar got one of their city bubble things floodedhe probably caused an insane amount of financial ruin for the gungans with that
>>738972876>my toys are better than your toys and can destroy them allHe has the manchild syndrome
>>738960851is he the one who has a hard time using pychokenisis?
>>738972990That's Corran Horn if I remember correctly. He was notably bad at telekinesis.
>>738972716the planet core scene freaked me out a lot more than him saying he'll be executedi wonder if it's responsible for my fear of deep water
>>738965126This soiboi faggot ensured Star Wars franchise died a slow, humiliating death.
>>738972860>Anakin, you were supposed to bring balance to the force!>I did.>There are two Sith .. and two Jedi.>Balanced, as all things should be
You know the one thing thats bothered me about star wars since I first saw a new hope? Fucking stun blasts.
>>738972860But if Anakin was just some bitch ass loser it wouldn’t play out that way. Imagine if he had no force sensitivity and was born without hands. If this were cyberpunk I’d still give him a chance at pulling it off but in Star Wars tech can’t out tech the Force’s destiny maneuvers. What I’m saying is that The Force is the DM/GM and even The Force can’t make a level 1 rabbit beat a level 100 dragon 1v1 final destination no items without bending the universe over backwards. Usually The Force not only hedges rng and everything around the planned final battle in favor of the hero, but also gifts the hero with sufficient power so he doesn’t die prematurely. If Anakin was born as Tyrion Lannister without limbs and Force I’m not sure how crazy you’d have to fuck over the universe in order to make him the big damn hero. Definitely going into debt borrowing from other universes, might even have to borrow the fucking dragon balls from overseas.
>>738973035george lucas said that balance is no sith at all
>>738973065Not the fact that stormtroopers are painted as elite and then can't hit the broad side of a barn for the next 8 movies?
>>738973121I don’t see the issue, you never seen Chinese advertisements before?
>>738973121Stun blasts are waaaaaay worse in terms of how much they can do.
>>738972950I find it hilarious the Gungans have more of a functioning military and navy than the Naboo who control most of the planet and are more advanced.
>>738973121>opening scene of A new hope>jawa masaccare>the lars BBQRebels still dropped like flies in ROTJ if not for Ewoks, Han and Leia's plot armor.
>>738973101Balancing the Force involves cutting the cancer that is the Dark Side out.BUT. I will always maintain that the Prequels teach us that the Force has agency (Qui-Gon believes this and understood the Force well enough to get into Space Heaven). That means it could have dropped Anakin in the core and had him picked up by the Jedi and trained in the Jedi Dogma like any other Jedi. That the Force chose to drop the Chosen One in the Outer Rim and led a Jedi to pick him up as a 9 year old would imply to me that Anakin was meant to test the Jedi as much as he was sent to btfo Creamy Sheev. They obviously failed and the Chosen One's son is put into position to rebuild the Jedi in a way that allows the Order to return to their original purpose and focus on the Will of the Force.
>>738973012ah yah, thanks for the memory jog.I like that disadvantage as a character thing, makes you have to consider the more subtle aspects of the force. Sensing, influencing, and small scale telekinesis like moving a cup to cause a distraction instead of chucking boulders. Its my go to power profile when I play psychic characters in rpgs.
realistically the strongest jedi of all time should be Yoda, given all the years he had to train and master the force. He was definitely nerfed hard.
>>738972589The droids had their memories erased and Chewbaca just thought Yoda was another soldier and assumed he was dead after RotS anyways.
>>738973293I think the jedi of his era were trained as a joke.
>>738973121>episode IVDarth Vader wants the Millennium Falcon to escape and lead them to the Rebel base>episode vThe Stormtroopers and Imperial Army absolutely annihilate the Rebellion when they fight>episode viEndor clowns the Stormtroopers so hard that people think they were worthless in all three OT movies, rather than just Return of the Jedi (the worst of all six Star Wars films)
>>738962283Why is Anakin always treated as S tier? He never reached his theoretical full potential. Without weird situations like the dark dimension or Mortis nexus, he gets shellacked by anyone sub-Palpatine level
>>738973293Basic cultivation 101: more time =/= more power level. It’s what you get out of it that matters. Yoda basically did jack shit and was essentially satisfied with the status quo at some point and just wanted to keep it that way. His growth would naturally stagnate, aka only his mana bar aka force bar might slowly grow with time but his routine essentially stopped producing real results just like doing 20 reps of 10lb a day for 30 years ain’t gonna do shit.
Ahem, sorry but EU Palpatine is the strongest force user ever. He could literally exterminatus planets using the Force by ripping open holes in hyperspace and basically enveloping the planet in antimatter. You movie and game chuds just don’t realize how OP the EU is. It’s basically DBZ.
>>738972876Look I hate Fagloni too, but the Grievous thing was an executive decision from George.
>>738973469games are EU tho
>>738973469Not exactly. Dbz does it through sheer power, aka direct application of the force/ki. If it were equivalent it would be like using force choke to crush a planet or using force push to kamehameha a galaxy into dust. That he manipulates elements like antimatter suggest that he plays the wizard game more than he does the warrior game, not that it makes him weaker but he’s still playing smarter not harder than the dumb apes.
>>738961743That makes no sense. Half the dynamic between Vader and Palpatine post-Mustafar BBQ was Palpatine looking to replace him because he lost his potential after being crippled
>>738960443>>two literal whos were stronger than Luke, Vader, Palpatine and Yoda>>everyone was completely fine with thatIt's kinda like James Bond prior to the Craig era where each movie is really its own self contained thing. If you don't like one, you can just not watch it and lose nothing. Same with the old Star Wars expanded universe stuff with the comic books and video games. Even the trilogies are like that. The problem is that Disney has to have everything fit into this continuity in a marvel-esque fashion, and nothing can stand on it's own two feet. Everything has to fit into the larger universe in some way. The only reason it sucks is because almost all the new shit sucks, again, like James Bond.
>>738973548>George Lucas (r) and his advisor Dave Filoni (l) brainstorming ideas for The Clone Wars™, colorized (2008)
in terms of power level, this will never be topped.
>>738973634Marvel at least acknowledges the multiverse though? Just because it designates the movie universe/multiverse branch as the hub essentially does not make make their comic universe not canon;
>>738960443Vader has the highest midichlorian count canonically. So, no.
>>738973209The Gungans were smart enough to realize that you can't fully trust your neighbors no matter how hippy dippy peace loving pussies they look like. The Nabooans or however you call it, got lazy being in the safer parts of the Republic and thought nothing would ever happen to them. Then the Trade Federation blockaded their planet and they could do fuck all about it.
>>738973683It has been topped dozens of times
>>738973209The Naboo were dipshit hippies by the time of the Prequels. They literally elected a 14 year old girl to be President of their planet.
>>738973080What I am saying is prophecy is strange. That's a very Christian thing. God does all sorts of strange things. He picks nobodies to be his champion (Luke is a nobody). He has plans that involve centauries of what seem like evil winning only for them to destroy themselves or become redeemed.The force is like God. Look at how weird it's fated plan is. The emperor thinks he has subverted the force's own chosen to his will and takes over the galaxy. And than Anakin and Luke go into a room together. And within a few minutes everything changes.
>>738973787cope, even leia's superwoman stunt tops that.
>>738963908game literally starts with Revan jobbing to Bastilla
>>738973683>Dies for a PowerPoint
>>738973683not canon
>>738973683>overdoses on The Force>dies
>>738973754Anakin had the midichlorians. Vader doesn’t, because most of his flesh is gone. PS midichlorians aren’t canon due to fan consensus.
>>738973835>”I wanna fuck her so I’ll let her have this one.” -Revan probably
>>738973829Oh I agree, however I’m saying even The Force tends to abide by some basic common sense. It doesn’t place its hopes on an insect but a man with the potential. At least in my mind, I do not believe even if timelines exists The Force would ever say choose Greedo to be the chosen one unless that timeline’s Greedo is so different it’s fundamentally not the same person. Do you get what I mean? There are limits, even if vague,
>>738973683>in terms of power level, this will never be topped.Doesn't Luke grab a lightsaber in force ghost form? That's probably the most powerful thing anyone has been able to do canonically.
>>738973937>Revan went with Bastila>Mission is right there>Humans can also breed with TwileksMissed opportunity right there
>>738973937It worked too.Master tactician.
>>738973937
>>738973994Revan wasn’t dumb enough to get his game banned. He saw what was coming.
>>738973985ghost Yoda summons fucking lightning to burn down the Jedi tree in TLJ
>>738973835Revan and Bastilla don't fight, anon. Malak bombs the ship before they can
>>738965126I might be a loser, but I'm not that kind of loser.
>>738961937>he got locked in a force sucking succubus chamber in the emperor's bitch room.truly a fate worse than death
>>738973364>Return of the Jedi (the worst of all six Star Wars films)I will fight you on this, if for no other reason that it gives us the single best character arc climax in the entire franchise; Luke throwing down his lightsaber, looking Sheev in the eyes, and telling him to pound sand.
>>738974095It's easy to say nice things about the Throne Room scenes. Try finding one nice thing to say about what's going down on the surface of the forest moon of Endor.
EU Luke and Palpatine would easily paste Revan and Starkiller. Even pulling a crippled Star Destroyer down to the ground isn’t much of a show of power, such is the power creep. They are beyond Primarch tier.
>>738974058But lighting is Sith child's play.
>>738974039Anon, there can't possibly be so little Bastila art that you have to post AI garbage
>>738973713Maybe not an apt comparison, I'm actually not very familiar with the MCU. The crux of my point is that Disney seems to want nu-wars to all be connected in some way be it through cameos/crossovers as to fit into 1 continuity.
>>738974215Shut up.
>>738974249Oh, then yes you are absolutely correct and Disne deserves being shat on for that.
>>738974156Power level wank is gay.
>>738974249They wanted to milk it in the same way the MCU turned into this multi-movie, and later multi-media, juggernaut that had its fans slavishly watching every single thing that they released...then they went and fucked it up with disappointment after disappointment that now I hardly think anyone even cares about the whole Dr. Doom thing anymore.They wanted to do that to Star Wars, when George might've had the best approach just letting it sit for a while so when he did release new movies, they were at the front of the headlines as big tentpole movies everyone went to go see.
>>738974150The scene with the grieving ewok is extremely well done.
>>738965126I've always thought I'd be a really good Imperial Officer. I'm American, but I have a UK (Welsh, comes and goes, though) accent that I've been complimented on. I could totally pull off the "condescending ambiguously racist posh douchebag" look and vibe.
>>738974256Now compare their bodies.
>>738974168>okay Ian, your motivation for the next scene is that you're the evil emperor of the galaxy, okay? and today is the best day of your entire life, do you- can, can you do that for me Ian?>say no more Mr. Lucas
>>738974374
>>738965126I'd just make myself a background jedi or nobleman like george himself did
>>738974473me on the right
>>738974460Wow, that actually really is sad.
>comes out in literally 1 week>not a single ounce of hype or moderate enthusiasmHow badly is this latest Filoni project gonna bomb /v/?
>>738960443they had no connectionsVader and Sheev are theoretically weaker than them but they have a death star to pwn them from a distance
>>738974580It's going to perform worse than Solo, the previous most poorly performing Star Wars movie. And Solo did so poorly that it ended Disney's original plans to shit out a new Star Wars movie every single year.It's gonna be pretty funny.
>>738972602It's no coincidence that the 2 best parts of the prequels are the endings of 1 and 3 where obi has a long duel.
>>738974580baby yeed hype died off
>>738974580>Mandalorian>And GroguI question if they were even confident the character could hold up the show on his own without the puppet or not. I already know there was internal squabbles and company politics between the guy who was initially directing the show and Kennedy before she basically got him ousted and replaced with one of her own toady's.
>>738974580I didn't feel anything from that trailerand I checked out of disney star wars a long time ago
>>738974726They were so pants shittingly afraid of doing Mando with no Yeed that they returned Yeed to Mandalorian in an entirely different show between Mandalorian seasons lmao
>>738974580KK really did a number on Star Wars. She could have gone down in history as a logistics legend, but pissed it all away because her hubris and fury got the better of her.
>>738974580Trapper Wolf is going to be in it, see >>738965126
>>738972748Bro you’re talking about a setting that straight up ripped off chinks and slapped them in space. Be glad Christianity got to be the centrepiece to begin with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wirkuuCjLCY
>>738974791There’s a term for that if I recall. Something something promoted above your area of competence.
>>738974791She wanted to prove she could do more than get the coffee. She had ideas, big ones! Not good ones, given the results, but ideas nonetheless.
>>738960443>everyone was completely fine with thatEU had existed for a while and introduced a ton of characters that were stronger than everyone in the trilogy
>>738974791She will spend every waking minute of her life calling herself a hero to humanity and womens rights.
>>738972748It also reflects reality. Love is basically stripped and dissected at this point by science, just like how people no longer think the sun revolves around the world.
>>738965126I'd just put myself as one of the Jedi in the background doing things in a battle or the temple. I knew Filoni named himself Wolf, but did he really make himself the best pilot too?
>>738974580I like the Mando show, but the movie is so obviously just a few episodes stuck together.
>>738965126I'd probably make myself one of the Stormtrooper extras. Not even as a super special armor type to stand out, maybe one of the NCO's but keep the helmet on.
>>738961937What a shitty book that must be then.
>>738975242Most people hated it back when it released.
>>738975126Give it enough time and he’ll write some excerpt on how he met Ahsoka and the two “shared a night together.”
>>738975126The bar wasn’t exactly very high to begin with after all.
>>738975242The Revan book was hated upon release, yeah
play swtor
>>738963230Apulaz needs to make something with her.
>stronger than LukeNot even close
Yeah so i killed han solo and uhh am cranky and almost fucked my not-sister haha
>>738975680>Luke is son of Anakin>Leia is daughter of Anakin>kiss>Ben is son of Han>Rey is daughter figure of Han>kissIt's like poetry, it fucking sucks.
>>738960443Revan will be a black bald woman.
>>738975861oh no
Give me crimson desert in star wars with a good main story and great sidequestsChoices along the way>sith academy>jedi>smuggler>bounty hunterNo loading screens seemless flying and landingRewarding exploration Give me that game now
>>738975892no wonder this guy got into Space Heaven
>>738975903Best we can do is notably low quality Ubislop where you play as girl Han Solo and slap Stormtroopers to death, deal?
>>738974964>Sev still missing>Disney killed off ScorchImperial Commando never ever…
>>738961815Kenobi jobs against people with top finesse fencing.Case in point - Dooku.Lucas was autistic enough (that is compliment) to have his powerscaling balanced.Kenobi can easily clown on raw rage and intense but blunt opponents (Anakin, Maul, Grievous) cause he is just that good at deflection and parrying, but cant do shit against opponents with pinnacle of fencing skills (Dooku, Mace, Palpatine). They will just dismantle his defence.The fight id like to see the most would be Kenobi vs Yoda. Yoda is peak at fencing but his style is just the barrage of attacks Kenobi is used to. Would be an amazing fight i think.
>>738974580Only women liked baby yeet right? There's no male on earth that liked this thing.
>>738976074I'd argue those make it easier for Disney to write the story of Imperial Commando>Sev survived his mission, his dumbass mind control chip malfunctioned and now he's a Rebel sniper>Boss and Fixer are sad that Scorch died as a big meanie in service of the Empire>and that's how Delta Squad ended up defecting to the Rebellion before the third mission
>>738962476He also bites thumbs off and doesn't afraid of anything!his book and the one with space-covid were fun reads as a kid. Don't remember much of either sadly. Anyone remember the space-covid book, I have a 9yo niece that enjoys campy scifi. There wa s a wookie friend and a kid on a ship and a disease. Can't remember much more cause I'm old and alzheimeriritic :([/spoilers]
>>738960443Revan was fine. He was actually not that powerful, he was just an exceptionally gifted general. Starkiller is retarded though.
>>738960443>Revan and Galen are literal whos nowI fucking hate Disney adults.
>>738975903>Crimson Desert Star WarsThe combat in that game is too based for any western developer to attempt copying. Actual saber styles will never be tried in a Star Wars game.
>>738962154>sequel trilogy no one gives a shit about disney wars
>>738971332To be fair Lucas was the one who insisted that Grievous needed to be a jobbing cowardly mustache twirling villain.
>>738960903can't we fix this with ai yet, this stance is so fucking stupid, change it already ffs
>>738960903Obi-Wan doesn't catch nearly enough flack for baiting Padme and then stowing away on her ship when she refuses to help him. His appearance at the worst possible moment (posing like an angry father lmao) as she's trying to talk Anakin down directly triggers Anakin to lose his shit and strangle her. From a certain point of view, Obi-Wan is responsible for her death.
>>738960443Revan was never stated to be stronger than Luke/Vader/Palp.People were fine with Starkiller?
>>738960723Revan was stronger than Luke. I would say he beats palpatine and also Vader. maybe not Malgus though, I legit think he’s the strongest fighter there is in terms of regeneration.
>>738969582Which is dumb, even in DBZ the objectively weaker fighter comes out ahead plenty of times.
>>738972782>Hack answer but couldn't Kenobi do it?They fought to a stalemate.
>>738975997I think im gonna hard pass>>738976456:(
>>738976860Obi-Wan really had to insist on standing above his own pupil like a disappointed father.
helpusobi1r_dismemberment 1r_sabercombat 5
>>738976280>SpoilerThat sounds like Death Troopers by Joe Schreiber.
>>738960443Starkiller got btfo’d by Palpatine the instant he decided he was done trying to turn him back to the dark side
>>738976860Anakin was fresh off from slaughtering the jedi temple. I think he was about as polite as could be expected.
>>738977271It's not so much about doing the pose as much as it is doing the pose while the mass murderer you are here to assassinate is right next to the innocent Senator who you tricked into bringing you here. Because she might get caught in the crossfire (which she immediately does)
>>738977248*g_saberrealisticcombat 5
>>738963236I’m still kinda surprised that the 360/ps3 version still hasn’t gotten any kind of rerelease as far as I’m aware, just that you can stream it on psn so the doc isn’t available.
>Star Wars X-ComWill it be good or shit?
>>738976860>From a certain point of view, Obi-Wan is responsible for her deathShe lost the will to live because Anakin turned against everything she believed in. The movie literally says that there is nothing wrong with her physically
>>738978142>xcomconfirmed shit
>>738974626damn, we're never gonna get that Chewbacca movie are we?
>>738960903Why is he spreading his legs so far apart, doesn't he know how stupid he looks, standing like that
>>738976860Padme literally tells Anakin that he is breaking her heart. That's a real thing BTW. It's called Broken Heart Syndrome, and it is what Carrie Fisher's mum died off when Carrie died. That's brutal irony.
>>738978773How come suicidal people dont just die of it then?
>>738979594Because it is stress that triggers the heart attack, not the dysfunctional chemical imbalances your body is wired to do.
>>738962283Who is the ??? In Santa? Also Luke is too low. Should be in Pinnacle at least if we count EU.
>Female chiss with force powers.>Gets killed off in the only game she appears in.
>>738980689Galactic Battlegrounds right?
>>738960443Clonekiller and Starkiller are two different guys.
>>738960443they got aura
>>738971643That would be Lego Star Wars 2
So were Revan's pants good gear?
>BANE?>im ISB>what will happen if i take off those Scarabs?
>>738980689>woman>but blueBAM! New alien species.
>>738981602all hot space babes are human woman + funny color + random head extension, anon.all of them
>>738978142>Random OCs rather than StormtroopersTrash.
>>738971772
>>738974460Touché anon, touché
>>738981659Human woman + random head extension you say? Oh, how wonderfully broad and exploitable a definition...
>>738968369Remember when Vader turned into a fucking scorpion?
>>738963090>Starkiller>canonWhere'd the evil clone go
>>738981946>illusion projectionMogged Jake Skywalker lmao
>>738981824>>738971772
SW is just so gay, there's no nuance, you're either le bloody evil or the heckin' goodboyrino.
>>738960443Left one is pretty the movie's and therefore history. Neanderthals and other ancestors were also stronger.the right one... yeah, that's just nonsense.
>>738982039If GG had 3 sabers and a pistol he'd be unstoppable in 1v1
Revan is a girl btw
>>738982421
>>738981745rather than clone commandos*
>>738971914ROTS>ROTJ>ESB>ANH>TPM>AOTC>CW>Shit>Sequels
>>738982421No, Revan has to be a Futa to impregnate Bastila
>>738982463Not a fan of ESB myself but I see what people like about it. How do you justify ranking ROTJ above ANH though? ANH felt complete while ROTJ was a big fat nothingburger. Jabba's palace was cool but not really needed for so long and the pinnacle being "dude remember the death star? here it is again" was lame. Oh and Endor sucked
>>738982434she was a girl when I played kotor therefore its canon
>>738960645what's the closest game to Jedi Knight level lightsaber dueling? battlefront?
>>738982551The sheer emotion from the Luke Vs Vader fight, seeing Yoda die, Emperor Palpatine. ROTJ had a lot going for it. ANH was riding on its inspirations that it felt more like The Searchers and The Hidden Fortress set in space than its own movie. People give too much credit for ANH when that movie takes more of its own time than what ROTJ does in 2-hours.
>>738960443A lot of people hate Starkiller and rightfully so. Not that I hate him but I barely played any of The Force Unleashed. The novelty of it is cool, but ripping Star Destroyers from orbit is fucking ridiculous.
>>738982551>Every remaining villain dies on screen>nothingburger
>>738982714you do not rip it from orbit, it is already crashing down planetside. You only adjust the crashing down angle
>>738982586Academy. While not being particularly amazing the Obi Wan game was amusing.
>>738968209retarded writers don't know Luke's character>>738968559your mom nigga shut the fuck up
>>738982773Whatever but he still redirects 40 million fucking tons.
>>738962283What about Valkorion's kids?
>>738983024size matters not, as Yoda says
>>738974964>>738976074They killed scorch? When?
>>738983462Bad Batch series, basically Omega squad without mandowank, but with late-Lucas writting.
>>738978142I am already smell TCW nostalgiabait>mandalorian>umbarian>fighting for Republic
>>738962283>AtrisCome on now. She's playing jedi political game and she's good at it but in term of the force she's at best a knight tier.
>>738983667>The heart and soul of the team goneWhoever did that is the biggest faggot around. First we couldn't get a single episode dedicated to how boil is doing without waxer and how he's taking it and now they kill off a clone commando? Let me guess they find Sev but he's going to be working with the rebels before he dies at the hands of Boss and Fixer or something dumb like that.
>>738970442Tulak Hord
Can one of you autist modders out there please fix the The Force Unleashed PC ports? They are permanently locked to a miserable 30FPS, the cloth physics are broken, the audio completely cuts out on the final levels, and it constantly crashes to desktop during cutscenes.I am about to put out a massive community cash bounty on this just like Maximilian Dood did with Marvel Infinite.
>>738975521Is that a player character or an NPC?
>>738960443Daily reminder: the grey Jedi thing was cringe, and it still is cringe today.
>>738974580I fucking hate baby yoda so fucking much it's unreal.I'm glad that movie bombed harder even though I never watched it.
>>738976936Didn’t Revan lose because he got betrayed in the book?
>>738983462See >>738972962 They turned him into a main bad guy.
>>738960443Revan was never all-powerful though, at least not in the first 2 games.>>738960595>>738960723Pretty much this. I've always thought of Revan as the Alexander the Great of Star Wars (even taking place thousands of years before the original trilogy). He wasn't an unstoppable killing machine that could 1v1 entire armies by himself. He was a natural born leader in every sense of the word with a stupid amount of charisma that could lead men into battle and achieve what should be considered impossible.He quite literally was "That Guy"
>>738960443Revan is based but yeah Starkiller is gay edgy bullshit and isn't canon anyway
and then count dooku was like "what happened"
