your takes on rebalance, overhaul, nitpicks?sniper should be a close-mid range class.surfing enemy explosions should reduce damage received.spy should only see enemy hp while disguised.
They should nerf op weaponsLike the festive minigun
>>738965267Engineer should have a direct interaction with the enemy engineer.Every other class has one. Even sniper is at least playing more of a video game if there's an enemy sniper. What does your engineer do to the enemy engineer?
Spy should be able to do more actions while disguised like shooting, freely switching weapons and so on.
>>738965267You know what's fucking tragic? There will never be a TF3 because of skins. Valve doesn't want to deal with the backlash that would occur if they made a new game and didn't allow skins to carry over (which they wouldn't, because Valve cares about making new products as clean as possible). Skins ruined modern gaming.Besides, what would there even be to fix about TF2? It's already nearly perfected.
>>738965527overhaul the game to exceed source limits. source is cucked by corridor map design for optimisation reasons.redesign with friendly fire and friendly collision, reduce spam of all sorts of weapons, rework systems like melee hitreg to not be spageti coded. reduce tedium and boring elements of classes and gameplay, more fun, lower respawn timers.add vehicles to some maps.
>>738965527did you not notice counter strike 2 came out and it has all the same skins?
more elaborate ways to kill players and funny physics interactions
>>738965527Valve is actually the one company that would be able to port skins to a new game, as your Steam inventory is where the skins are located.
>>738965527Spaghetti codeI ran tf2 at 100 fps over 12 years ago using Chris configs on a prebuilt emachines pc with integrated graphics.Nowadays the most up to date config can barely squeeze out 100 on my actual gaming rig.Valve fucked over the Art-just kidding, but they rebalances they did were awful.There is a post-soul tf2 era, and we're living on it now
>>738965350You must be very inexperienced. Teleporters allow offense to keep the pressure up, which directly affects defending engies. If anything, defending engies don't actually have any use for teles, and that's a minor problem.Dispensers allow a quick recharge and act as a rally point, you typically see medics basically standing in the dispenser while healing anyone outside of its range to build uber. The dispenser is probably the most forward building an attack engi can have, other than the minisentry. Such a rally point creates very strong pushes once the team decides to move in, strong enough to break through the defenses even without using an uber(and they almost always use it).
>>738965267>haha someone made that ugly workshop item with AI hehe it's an injoke for us :)tf2 community is so unfunny it hurts
theres about a dozen vids on tf2's shitty weapons throughout the years that you can just grab those complaints and get a perfect rebalance patch
They should go back to the TF classic aesthetic.
>>738966364Play TF2Classified, it's optimized, debloated, and no cosmetics.
>>738965527Fans wouldn't accept a TF3 because they're too in love with the nine TF2 mercs to stomach new ones. Pretty much all of those actors are gone or aged out of the roles and fans won't accept replacement voice actors or even a new set of mercs to fill the classes.
>>738966845Nah. Valve is pretty good at character design. Just look at Deadlock, its characters already have a fanbase.
>>738965527>because Valve cares about making new products as clean as possiblelol
>>738966942>Just look at Deadlock
>>738967035You may not like it, other people do.
>>738966942I'm not playing anything TF related that does not have the 9 mercs, and neither is 90% of the playerbase. Valve also completely failed to build a voice library for the characters and now the actors are too old or dead to continue. The franchise is more over than the shitty ass finale comic
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>>738967062These people are wrong.
>>738965527A "TF3" beyond the fact that people are autismos and refuse to play a perfectly functional game because it's "old" would be straight up pointless.A source 2 port, because vscript is mostly forwards compatible? Sure.But just "making TF3 just because" would be stupid.
I've played TF2 for over 6,000 hours from 2009 on and I never felt a weapon was so imbalanced I had to complain about it. Same with crits. I don't think there's a need for a TF3 in the way of new characters. Maybe do a CS:GO / CS2 style thing.>Take TF2 and put it on Source 2 or whatever the most recent engine is (in such a way that botting can't carry over)>Optimize based on all the work modders have done (Which is classic Valve)>Clean up the UI some, add customization to damage indicator visuals and sounds, more crosshairs (Like what everyone's already getting from downloaded HUDs)>Take some time to make a few new official maps>Some new music mixed with the old>Charge $20Ideally I'd like the inventories wiped and worthless weapons scrapped, but I can see how fags would bitch about it.
>>738967468People only want TF3 because it means more fleshed out merc content. Thats it. Valve made 9 of the greatest shooter characters of all time with only 20 minutes of video and 10 minutes of voice lines that have been on repeat nonstop for almost 20 years. They can't make any more so its never going to happen
>>738965527I mean if you're a retard that actually spent money on TF2 cosmetics then thats on you for having brain damage.
>>738967758I don't doubt that there are retards who are retarded and don't realize the 9 classes are not explicitly defined characters (yes, I know there are the comic equivalents, said same comic that tried and failed to make the point that the playable cast aren't "The Mercs"), but still like I feel like the concept is too dead and buried by spiritual hero shooter fags that think that Valve is literally raping Misha the Heavy from the comic because there is "A Heavy" dressed up as a luchador in game punching people to death instead of using Misha's TM Genuine Sasha TM while reading russian literature because MUH LOAR AND SUPER SERIOUS STOREIGHLINE
soldier to 190hppyro to 185hpbuff spy in some way
>>738966942they got a nepo tumblr retard that was only allowed to watch PG movies growing up to design the characters theyre ALL so fucking trite its not funny
>>738965267surfing does reduce damage you can potentially avoid splatting so hard or at allotherwise wtf u mean
>>738967664>from 2009 on and I never felt a weapon was so imbalanced I had to complain about itInitial cow mangler was unfair as fuck though. You basically could not see the projectile. People with it dominated servers for like a week until valve reworked the visuals.Dead ringer had a period where you could just walk between two ammo packs and with a pyro on your ass and survive for an entire round.
>>738971135I remember that invisible projectile. But it also never bothered me. They telegraph like crazy with that sound effect and they move extremely slow.
>>738971648The only thing that's possibly telegraphed is the charge shot and those invisible projectiles moved just as fast as any old rocket.By this logic any soldier today isn't a threat because they telegraph their shots somehow and their rockets are extremely slow.Are you sure you were playing back then?
>>738972298I absolutely was and never had a problem with them. I recall the charge shot taking a long time and it being loud. The stock launcher isn't a sitting duck charging a shot. I tried it when it first came out, but quickly went back to stock. I loved the game more than anything else I've played. I never felt huge balance issues. There was always a way to overcome. I didn't even care about full-stun Sandman.
>>738965527>Besides, what would there even be to fix about TF2? It's already nearly perfecte>Spy and Pyro still bad>valve created a weapons arms race whereby Soldier and Demoman getting OP unlocks meant that engineer got even more retarded ones to counter it making the deadlock (no not that one) style gameplay last even longer already chokey maps>having casual mode instead of just a good server browser>two million bloat weapons that aren't worth saving>sniper is still annoying (keyword) to play against
>>738972926Are you dumb? Charge shot wasn't the problem. And it's still taking a long time and is loud even today. It was the non-telegraphed standard shots. You know, the invisible rockets? The ones that didn't make the cow mangler a sitting duck...? That you could spam all day due to infinite ammo and a bonus shot in the clip cuz why not?
>>738966127mainly because 'CS2' is largely a port of CSGO to Source 2, it shares most of the same assets with CSGO, just Source 2-ified
>>738973567>Charge shot wasn't the problem.Oh, then I really don't know what the issue is because I had no problem with either.>Are you dumb?Because I had no problems working around a weapon that I personally felt was inferior to stock? I guess so. I wasn't getting shutdown by it.
>>738973569pretty good rebuttal, people fail to realize just how core mechanics like random crits are to the design, even if implementation could be a bit better
>>738973569crits are dumb and result in less gameplay
>>738973569>so many elements of the game were intentionally designed with random elements>some classes were slower or faster>grenades were removed>hitboxes varied greatlywhat the fuck is random about no grenades or scout being faster than heavy
>>738974003on release the cow mangler was just the default rocket launcher with an extra shot, considering the default rocket is already a top 3 weapon that's kinda OP
>>738965267miss pauling should sit on my face until i suffocate
>Muh balancefuck you, comp fags need to be hangedyou play tf2 to have mindless fun wtih random shit24/7 2Fort
>>738965353>streetshitter>dogshit opinionEvery time
Show me the real TF 2
>>738965353Spy should be able to mimic more actions while disguised
>>738967758the tf2 mercenaries do not lend themselves to fleshed out content, they're caricatures the 10 minutes of voicelines are iconic because they were the default for funny gmod videos
>>738981232Spy should turn into props.
>>738975694Spoken like a man who just ate a crocket
>>738981195obsessed with indians award
>>738965267spy knife can be thrown a very short distance for a backstab. if you pick it up, it goes on cooldown as per normal, if you miss, you have to pick it back up before you can use a knife again.l
>>738981232>>738981565Imagine Spy being able to shoot out stickies as Demoman (but obviously they wouldn't do damage or hurt players, they're just to make Demospy look good)
>>738981565I don't hate it
remove the current matchmaking and go back to the system where you can just join and leave servers.the cosmetics they added over the years are disgusting slop that ruins the aesthetic. i don’t want that trash to transfer.i think it’s impossible for nu-valve to make a good sequel because of the cosmetic baggage and their insistence on trash casual experience, which sucks in their bigger games too btw.finally valve has no incentive to really work on any of their games because even of the game is fucking broken, enough goyim buy keys that effectively valve has infinite revenue per employee. if they allocated someone to fix their rotting games, the revenue would become less than infinite per employee, but still insanely high, mind you. oy vey!
>>7389815971v1 duels are intense and fun, even in casual servers with 32 player wacky !rtd stuff and it sucks when the game just robs you of that fun by saying "uhh you get to kill him in one shot here because i say so".
>>738982037you can just use the server browser
>>738982087>you can just [nich unmaintained thing no goy will find]this is classic goy opinion of a goy who does not understand the core importance of goyimcontrol. you alone being able to do a thing doesn’t fucking matter in a multiplayer game you fucking retard.
>>738981215>Battlefield 2 but without the scaleI'll pass, someone should just make a DoD conversion mod atp
>>738965353I wanna suck on your tongue aqua
>>738973569Crits got added because competitive players complained about stalemates, when the entire point and joy of the game is in the evenly matched stalemates. Who wants to play less of the game and speed to the completely pointless WIN/LOSE screen? Competitive players.>>738974040>even if implementation could be a bit betterHonestly if they just removed the ramp up mechanic and made them truly random it wouldn't feed so much in to the stomp/stomped swings.
Team Fortress 3>THE FAR FAR OFF FUTURE OF THE 1990'S!>WE HAVE ROBOTS AND FLYING CARS AND ALL THAT FUTURISTIC STUFF!>Old Scout has friggin' sweet robot legs that make him even more agile than ever
>>738982762valve added crits due to their own testing, which i find hard to believe would be in a competitive format. why do critfags feel the need to lie?
>>738966845Eternally mad they didn't at least give the Fortress Forever mercs a cameo in the comicsI know the reason is likely "never promote a competitor's work" but by the end of the comic FF was long in its grave (some would say stillborn at release, but that's semantics)
>>738965527>You know what's fucking tragic? There will never be a TF3 because of skins>Besides, what would there even be to fix about TF2? It's already nearly perfected.
>>738965527Give Casual Mode a 45-minute map timer, allow its servers to be visible and instantly joinable on the browser, then buff some of the bad weapons. That's it, Valve can officially fuck off from the game forever after that.
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>>738965267>your takesWhites only.
>>738971135old dead ringer with pre-nerf enforcer was hilarious>couldnt die>could snipe people enforcer crits all day>could use pre-nerf spycicle if pyros are goodI vividly remember playing instant respawn 2 fort and blocking the bottom entrance to the other teams base while using dead ringer and they couldn't kill me because of the crazy damage reduction
>>738966507he's talking about a direct interaction between engineer and engineer you numbskull
The main problem with TF2 is the lack of diversity 8 out of 9 of the classes are just stale pale and male yt boys. Where are the women? Why no Asian, Indian or Latinina characters? I never was able to get into TF2 because of this. TF2 feels like a white supremacist wet dream. Overwatch does representation much better.
>>738965267delete sniper and spy
>>738966845I like the flamethrower Abe Lincoln
>>738965267Don't change anything about the vanilla version of the game and port it with all the new maps on cucksoles. No hats, only weapon unlocks from the era when the equalizer was good. Call it team fortress 2 2 : revengeance. $40 payement upfront no mtx no nothing. Also vote kick is the only form of moderation. Main critical feature : it works only when using gyro controls or mouse and keyboard. If you use classic cucksole controls your username get changed into "dumb paint eating nigger". that is all, we don't need tf3, we don't need new games. Stop being retarded fucking gentiles asking for [newthing]
Except a massive ui overhaul, which tf2 desperately needs, I can't see how they could make a sequel to this game without it being inferior. Also remove hats, war paints and 'le emotes instead of taunts'.
>>738985876machine guns existed in the 19th century, why is black heavy just a guy with a hammer?
>>738986604He's the original guy who built all the fortresses using his beloved hammer.
>>738986604born with a hammera ten pound hammera twenty pound hammer right IN HIS HAND
>>738986584>I can't see how they could make a sequel to this game without it being inferior.Source2, better netcode, animgraph2
>>738973569I like crits because it gives noobs a chance to score a revenge on me without me having to job like a big rat playing with a little rat.The total happiness in the world increases and I can continue shamelessly stomping children and wageslaves, so whatever.
>>738986604>why is black heavy just a guy with a hammerbecause that's john henry who is known as black guy with hammer not black guy with gatling gun you 4th grade dropout
>>738982901but scout canonically dies december 4th 1987, or at least thats what god told him
>>738965267>>738985312Faggots who astroturf Madcap will always expose themselves as tourists that started playing the game only after it got thoroughly enshittified by Uncle Dane the Molester Main with Meet Your Match.
>>738989762da bite uf 87?
>>738965527This is unironically the current trap that modern GaaS live service games are all trapped in. Because zoomers have nothing else going on in their lives and are afraid of change they've all sunk at least 5+ years at this point into their current slop live service game of choice and spent thousands of dollars and hours that all could have been spent on trying hundreds of other games into just 1 or 2 forever games (being generous with the 2).Now all those games are stagnating and are no longer gaining newer players to the next crop of forever games and zoomies refuse to let go of their digital rental skins and are dragging out the inevitable implosion that's coming from those games eventually being abandoned and shut down.
>>738965267>TF3That’s Deadlock unironically
>>738965527>which they wouldn't, because Valve cares about making new products as clean as possiblethey literally did this for cs2 dumbass
>>738973690So just make TF2-2
>>738965267Yellow and green team (4 team battles)Friendly fire with 50% damage reduction. Somehow rebalance for pyro detecting spies.
My only opinion is that TF2 should do more bugfix changes to solve inconsistencies across weapons like adjusting the Caber's explosive hitbox to NOT be on demoman's head (which explains why aiming down and hitting someone in the toes does the max damage that can ACTUALLY slap a sniper in 1 hit) or bugfixing the Bison so it doesn't inherit from Pyro's flames and can actually hit multiple times properly so it doesn't so piss-all damage like it does right now.It would be nice to have some kind of major update, but i don't think anybody at valve wants to touch this game's spaghetti code.
>>738965527It's sort of like the situation that I imagine eventually got Among Us 2 cancelled.It's just not worth it to rebuild the same game, but bigger when the current game is still good and is perfectly capable of being added on to.TF3 would have a new set of characters and a new modern artstyle that would probably piss people off too, so most people would probably live with TF2 being upgraded to Source 2.
>>738965267Grenades
>>738987519John Henry was a weak little bitch that died trying to prove retarded luddites right.
>>738986604Might be a reference to John Henry? idkIf it is I wonder what other American folk heroes are referenced in the line up.
tf3 should be an entirely different setting like how tf2 was from tfc (if it happens)
ALL explosives except lv3 sentry>-10% explosion radius>-10% damagealso increase double base sticky priming time
>>738992028Fuck off FNAFags
>>738965527>Besides, what would there even be to fix about TF2?The goofy artstyle. I was so excited for Tf2 having extensively played the HL mod for years until I saw the screenshots. They made it into a cartoon.
>>739002647billy is based
