Why does it feel like there are so few developer to have figured out 3D anime style?The only others I can think of besides Arcsys are Mihoyo who can spend an infinite amount of money per-character bc that's their main selling point.
>>738966847GFL2 and Endfield imo are much much more high fidelity than Hoyo anime models nowadays imo.
>>738966847It's a massive amount of work. Arcays basically outlined how to do it, and everyone else is doing it their way, and it's still not worth it.
Arcsys graphics are overrated. The limited framerate shit needs to go, it looks so bad.
>>738967210Holy shit taste.
>>738966847Mingchao / Narushio
>>738966847why did they get rid of Jam's meatbun boobs?
>>738967290Animation should be SMOOTH you tasteless phillistine. Video games should run at 120hz minimum.
>>738967174It really isn't. You take a 3d model, then you use all sorts of smoke and mirrors just to achieve a 2d look compared to a realistic 3d model where you just need use a good lighting and shader system.
>>738967363Literally trannies are all thats left playing the game (steam player count is so low lmao). Its tourneys are infested with mostly trannies and Daisuke is getting DEI money so hes gone all in and tranny shit.
It's actually pretty hard to get right, and when you get it wrong the results can be disastrous. But there's a lot more examples than just those two. Any anime gatcha game made in the past 2 years for example. Then there's the new Mana games and Trials remake.
>>738967394the low frame fad in 3d animation is so fucking obnoxious, especially since its rarely even consistent
>>738967394You are the tasteless philistine. By your retarded zoomer logic, all old games look bad since they only have a handful of key frames.
>>738967541Nta but why do you think people refuse to play BB on a ps4 because of the dogshit framerate?
>>738967174The way they set the mouth and did the "cheek lighting" in Xrd is really interesting, but it's even more interesting that they went back on it in Strive. I wonder if they're using shadow maps for the later>>738967476Things like your pic I disagree with. Those to me are what I'd call "3D anime", it's not something trying to look 2D it's anime represented with 3D models.
>>738967415You should probably watch the presentation on how they did it. There are still cell-shaded games coming out today that look worse than xrd
heres your 3d anime opcourage is the magic that turns dreams into reality
>>738967587?I played a shot-ton of CS, CS2, CSex, and Xhronophantasma and they were all solid 60 even on PS3.
>>738967587Nobody plays BB.
im gonna figure it out
>>738967615I'm honestly asking how they're getting this sort of lighting with that topology. The only way I can think of is to just manually paint the shadow areas to make a mask then force the lighting engine to consider those shadows for the specific closeups/scenes it'll be used for>>738967692NTA but I read the whole Xrd presentationIMO they're definitely working differently and that comes from studying the models and making studies using Strive assets in Unity/Unrealdesu I haven't been able to get the characters to look "right", assets like Ram's sword look good but characters and especially face shadows are too jagged
>>738966847Falcom, back in 2008.
>>738968292Arcsys gave a GDC talk back in 2015 on how they do it. They still use the same techniques to this day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGjCzxJV3E
>>738966847>figure out 3D>games bomb
>>738968512Because it takes a lot of money to make.
>>738967541It's one thing to have a technical limitation that needs a source port or a mod to overcome. It's another to deliberately make a game look bad. Plenty of retro PC games natively support uncapped framerates btw
>>738967139Yet they are not popular enough, the anime community has chosen what they liked.
>>738966847>Mihoyo
>>738969612The topic is about high quality anime models. You can say the same for xrd, one of the greatest achievements in 2d-3d anime modelling but it's not that popular either.
>>738967476This look like shit
>>738968503It's amazing how Arcsys evolved on their 3D graphics like 10 years ago they can't make multiple alt costumes (Xrd Elphelt only one) because of the complex lighting and shading. Now they finally can do multiple alt costumes and accessories experimented on Granblue Rising and Strive.
Scarlet Nexus and Xenoblade 3 also have good anime models. Also if you're impressed by genshin there are other gacha games with the same level of modeling.>>738969612First mover advantage
>>738970508It's crazy how good Granblue Versus looks. I think it's actually their best looking game
>>738971086for me it's dnf duel but it's more a matter of character designalso dnf duel the game is trash
>>738966847Arcsys perfected 3D anime graphics.
>>738970841>Xenoblade 3Ehhh, its not that impressive. I'd say its just 2 but without the blur so it definitely looks nicer than 2 but in terms of other games, the models are pretty lazy especially animated.
>>738972232I meant more in terms of style. I like 3d anime models to have actual noses.
>>738970841>impressed by genshinNot really desuIt's pretty clear they moved their A-team to ZZZ considering the crazy rigging they've done there
>>738967447I don't think you know what low player count for a fighting game let alone a 5 year old anime fighter is.
>>738966847Mihoyo has ruined an entire generation of anime games. That kind of style was fine before but now I can only associate it with chink gambling and it's such a turn-off.
>>738973641Unironically, I think ZZZ has its own unique style and doesn't look that anime. I think HSR is the closest to a standard anime style. ZZZ looks closer to a pixar movie in a way, especially with how animated it is and uses exagerrated motions.
>>738974683Even before, people ridiculed anime games and associate with it low budget shovelware like atelier or whatever arena fighter that bandai namco churns out. Persona 5 is really the only anime game back then that got a 90+ on metacritic and got glowing reviews everywhere.
>>738967394>>738967210You really should hang yourself tasteless brown hands.
>>738966847Not popular with eunuchs.
>>738975158>giving a fuck about reviews in 2026
>>738975405That anon was talking about how anime games are perceived and reviews back did shape how games are received. For example journalists demonizing musou games is pretty much responsible why they were relatively niche for most of the decade until chinks entered the gaming market and started buying them droves.
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>Vidya have ton of games with anime style without issues>Actual 3d anime still looks like something straight from PS1/PS2 cutscenesHOW?
>>7389756383d anime and anime in general are low budget as hell and unironically have a much smaller userbase.
DNF didn't deserve to be abandoned for 6 months before realizing they should probably patch the game and add dlc.
>>738966847>The only others I can think of besides Arcsys are MihoyoIt's still only Arcsys, really
>>738975785They use exactly same tools, down to UE.
>>738975962That doesn't conflict with his post
>>738975962I know but low budget means that lesser paid and lesser skilled employees and artists.
>>738972232>Both Saitom and graphinica worked on Xeno and this.Really amusing, but new movie is done by another studio.
>>738966847Top was done by 8ing under supervision from Arcsys. 8ing also did MvC3 and the GC Naruto fighters which also looked great.
>>738975579will her game survive for a sequel in 6 years?
>>738966847I wouldn't really count Mihoyo as figuring it out. Their style is super generic and same-y and the characters all look dead inside in their default stances. ZZZ is the only one that tries to mask this with its zany animation style but then that's a problem to some people too.
>>738975638Animation is still the most time consuming part, games have much higher budgets and can get away with reusing a lot of animations.
>>738975638>>738975962video games make actual money, unlike anime and mangathere's a reason so many popular mangaka and key artists go into video game development
>>738978054What do you mean survive idiot dnf duel was dead a month after release with how many people realized it's ass then left. Also there's not gonna be a sequel since nexon has no desire to pay 8ing to do another(or arcsys to handhold 8ing on how to do do their graphics for another)and since there was already so little to no desire to play dnf duel by the general and non general population.
>>738979975Even the most niche AA jap game probably earns more money than the average anime who struggles to sell 3k bluray sales
>>738977276>licensed fighting games, Kamen Rider, Monster Hunter, and PikminAlso I was under the impression they're a support studio
>>738975862The expertly sculpted armpits ArcSys always does absolutely slays me everytimeSomebody on the dlcharacter model team likes armpits the same way that guy on the Street Fighter team likes feet.
>>738966847Because it only works for 2D games.3D cell shaded games existed for decades and they look great now but don't give you the "2D anime" feel.
>>738975862It absolutely did and then it deserved people ignoring it even when it was free. Don't kid yourself.
>>738979975Manga make money, but anime is still expensive as fuck to make.
>>738966847Because normies love realismslop and (most) modern devs lack passion.
>>738975862>>738980392people always say they play "kusoge" but chicken out when a real degen fighting game comes out
>>738980919Nen Impact status?
>>738979975Manga makes around $15-20 billion USD annually (as of recent 2024-2026 estimates). It grows rapidly and is projected to reach $40-60B+ by the early 2030s.
>3d anime
>>738981470The only anime that did 3d somewhat decently was GuP
>>738980919Not only are those people the definition of a vocal minority and not representing me or 99% of the people who played, tried and or shit talk a game like dnf duel but dnf duel is exceedingly bad and worst of all BORING even by those standards. The original dfo game is fast and 8ing has shown multiple times that they can make fast games that fit the throwing the balance out the window hitboxes and style. Why the fuck does this game feel like that to move around when the moves are like that, why is there only one super move, why can you only access said super move when you lose a certain amount of health, why would you put a fucking block meter? It's a combination of decisions that are too stupid together even for 8ing.
>>738981385Most mangaka aren't being paid thatYou need to realize why SJ can grind through so many cancelled serializations and mangaka before getting the one killer hitMost the money and sales is going through SJ, other magazines do their own thing with more selective/stable serializations but a much smaller readerbase and hence much less going to the authors.
was this good 3d anime?
>>738967741>courage is the magic that turns dreams into realityWrong game, that's from the sequel
>>738984124>Anime is about pole dancing>"No no no! Is not about le strippers! It's about le sports!"
>>738984394no that was a different 3d anime, which sadly looked even worse and also involved more clothes
i've always liked falcoms style. its pretty basic, but it works for me
>>738984124I don't mind 3D anime when it's done out of genuine interest and desire, like you'll see stuff like Last Exile and Blue Submarine where they're clearly doing something new they're proud of
>>738981581you seem to have mispelled Etotama
>>738985078BASED as FUCK tastes, Anon.
Urgh
>>738967526it always, ALWAYS looks awful and like something's wrong with it.
