It happened againAR sub mods are sperging out and deleting every instance of it after it gets re-upvoted to the front pageThis is Arc's wiggle moment (for the reference of slowpokes)https://youtu.be/p5LfGcDB7Ek>Not a single dev to date in the genre has talked about the scale of this issue even if they mention the game has a cheating problem>If you mention it you're the problemI've personally gone from falling in love with the genre since tarkov in ~2021 to now refusing to buy or play a single extraction shooter. Casual cheaters in every game exist, sure, but when your ingame systems create an environment for cheaters to make money you create a self-reinforcing problem. The only time i've ever seen this issue partially slow down was tarkov removing flea market access, but that shifted the focus of cheating from RMT to boosting/account selling.How would you deal with it?What solutions even are there? Why have third worlders been able to do this in some form to every single live service shooter since overwatch, with zero effective countermeasures in place?
that's really interesting you should go discuss it on assfaggots' reddit page then!
>>738971775Nigger can we not talk about something which has serious implications for an entire genre of vidya without getting hung up on the existence of reddit?
>>738970876>Bla bla bla blaThere's nothing wrong with cheating. It's the dev's problem, if they don't like it they can just remove it.
>>738970876Yikes
>>738970876https://youtu.be/WyYC9qRlJxY?t=65
This genre sucks because of how much it punishes the player. It's even worse in a game like Rust. Any game where another player can roll back hours of your progress (cheating or not) is the epitome of "not respecting your time", which people love to throw around these days. Genuine sociopaths thrive in it because they know they're wasting your time. You're not respawning in 5 seconds with the same loadout, you're kicked to a menu where you have to recraft an entire kit manually, then requeue all just to play a video game. Talk about regression.
>>738972618The devs of Arc deliberately obscure your player data so you can't tell exactly how much time you're wasting, or how bad cheating is in any particular season/wipe.In Tarkov, there's a simple "Extraction rate" % viewable on your profile. Within 100 games you have a pretty good sample size - There's not a single season where your extraction rate should be significantly lower than your previous unless you spontaneously decided to do meth.During the period of the video in OP, anywhere from 30-50% is where most players that weren't complete retards sat. Watching not just streamers but the entire playerbase shrink from ~30 to sub 20% of games where they lived is game ruining. This exact same thing happened in arc around christmas of 2025 - The first season was ending, cheat kits were starting to get effective and easily available, and more chinkoids than ever were paying to boost their way to the $5m spacebux needed to get ingame bonuses for next season.It's just been increasingly bad since then as legit players completely give up on the game, the number of career cheaters in the game is staying the exact same, and casual cheating majorly increases in response to career cheating as if it's a virus.
>>738971943Vidya is disposable entertainment.Online multiplayer is disposable entertainment with addictive properties.So why should we care about mtx and dark pattern riddled trash that is specifically designed to keep you playing the same thing over and over?
>>738970876This is why I didn't buy the game on release and will never play an extraction shooter. Even before the game was released people had cheats working in the beta. EAC has always been completely useless.
>>738970876The only way to stop cheaters is to put fake shit in game, tarkov has done this with fake loot.ESP cheaters are generally always retarded, the way it works is if you track a fake player you instantly get banned, these are invisible to non-ESPSame with loot, if you track fake loot or open it you also get banned, these loot boxes have premium loot.Retard devs only catch the most lowest IQ cheaters that use outdated cheats, this is why Anti-cheat in general is fucking useless, hardware cheats completely circumvent this.
>>738973879>mtx and dark pattern riddled trash that is specifically designed to keep you playing the same thing over and overTarkov really didn't start that way, and it's why the genre built a huge market so quickly that every studio wanted a piece of. The dynamism of the format was something that gave you a different experience or challenge every game.Arc is riddled with MTX and dark pattern bullshit - despite the entire playerbases' feedback - And I personally wouldn't care much to see it die.I just wish i could play a genre that has some true merit to it without having 80% of my time be completely wasted.
>>738974212The fake loot stuff really only affected vaccuum cheaters. Tarkov's problems look a lot more like this nowadays. Fake loot won't stop Ivan with a fake TTV persona spraying your head from across the map. Imagine paying tens of millions to contract a third party anticheat and this is still happening en masse since ~2018.
>>738974803forgot link https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j4Q2hDTnv5Q
>>738974203>EAC has always been completely useless.wym? It does exactly what it was built for.Harvest your data.
>>738970876And the devs JUST announced they're going maintenance mode with the game for the next 6 months, so the game is just going to die fron cheating and a lack of updates
marathon won.
>>738975307It's crazy how far up their own ass Embark is. they went from being one of the most disliked ruiners of the BF franchise to a hail mary recovery with Arc, and they're actively pissing away their only serious cashcow.Players have told them from the very start, on every feedback form, in every social media outlet, exactly what their expectations are. Every single time it's fallen on deaf ears in favor of pursuing the same selfharming practices to boost stock prices short-term with temporarily attractive margins, i.e>releasing game in unfinished state>reducing development crew to maintenance mode numbers postlaunch>completely ignoring the need for performance passes postlaunch in a game where having above 90FPS puts you at an enormous advantage over others>taking 5+ months to release any UX QOL changes>promoting a crazy degenerate FOTM leaderboard system (trials) as if it's the lasting reason to play the gameand more. It would be hard to find a game more mismanaged from the top-down.
>>738976057Indeed, Marathon won the "We're next" award for failing to learn from every game they plagiarized before it and ending up with a worse product in almost every way.
>>738970876The genre has never not been cheater infested lowest common denominator single braincell tier trash and I feel bad for every slop slurper that subjects themselves to the shit on the regular. Hopefully it dies out eventually.
I got my expedition done with 40 days remaining so I'll just come back and jump through whatever hoop needed this time at last minute notice. There's not much point hoarding for anything else. What the fuck is a wiggle moment?
>>738980754TL;DR Tarkov cheaters wiggled(visibly leaned left and right) across the map at each other, to show that they see each other and call truce, especially prior to VOIP. The guy int he video used it as the signifier for how many people per lobby are cheating.
If you really love playing a PvP game but the cheating is just constantly ramping up and spoiling it for you, do you quit, start cheating yourself or just live with the pain?
>>738982036move to fighting games where cheaters just fly up the rank ladder so you're unlikely to see them, team based games suck ass anyway
>>738981343Interesting thanks.
>>738982618>>738982036Why not just move to consoles? If it's even possible to cheat it's much harder.
>>738982036Organized review bombing with a clear message is about the only recourse the consumer has once they have the product.And that's the real problem. They already have the product, cannot refund after the game becomes effectively unplayable, and there are no guidelines set in place to say "If cheating exists in x% of lobbies the game should not be sold or is engaging in false advertising".
>>738972618There's always going to be a demand for multiplayer games where the amount of time you can sink into it rather than player skill is the main driver of successRust seems like a game for the unemployed
>>738982665>If it's even possible to cheat it's much harder.lollmao
>>738985083A lot of millennial pc players have no idea of everything that's happened since stuff like XIM and zens hit thje scene.
>>738985083Yeah I just download a file and run it on my ps5. Instant cheats.
>>738972618Then don't play it retard. You sissies act as if the devs obscured the genre and told you the game was a co-op, PVE only game.
>>738970876>le genreArc Raiders has nothing to do with extraction game as defined by Tarkov. Your post is full of shit. Go farm engagement somewhere else.
>>738982036Just stop anon, don't play any game where you don't have 100% control over who your playing with. This is why old FPS games were and are still enjoyable even when they were/are infested with cheaters, you can literally just switch to another server and any hoster/mod team worth a damn are all monitoring their shit as much as possible and proactively banning people.Sure, this means false positives at times but since you don't get banned from the game entirely just because you get banned from a single server, you can just play on another fucking server, which is also why decentralizing is so effective since the hackers won't bother with buying a new CD-key or making a new account JUST to play on one server, so they also just move on to the next one until they either get bored or banned from the entire current server list, which just means that it's the hackers wasting their time and not the normal players.Modern matchmaking and obscene amount of focus on "ranked" play is literally what is making the problem worse to the point where there is no viable way of combating it. Bring back self hosting and server browsing and this shit will correct itself within a year or two.
>>738985582trvke. the percentage of cheaters hasn't changed, you simply are not allowed to avoid them anymore.
>>738985582>This scares zommies and alphies to death
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>>738970876Go back.
>>738985808>NS2Holy shit.Is this still alive?
>>738986005Barely, there is about 50 people still playing on a regular basis but it's literary impossible to play with them unless your a god at the game since they will just kick and ban you for not being good enough. It's the same reason why L4D is still "alive" but the moment you step out of line, Ivan and his butt-buddies will just votekick/voteban you
>>738970876what's the problem, i play on PC as it gives me the option to do this if i feel like it
>>738986115>>738972117I hope Palantir sends drones to your mother's basement before everyone else
>>738971943arc raiders dying is good for everyone
>>738986195marathon flopped
>>738986382which is also good for everyone
>>738970876Took long enough
>>738986063The fate of all online pvp team video games.
>>738970876>AR sub mods are sperging out and deleting every instance of it after it gets re-upvoted to the front pageProbably because, last I checked, there's literally zero evidence of it other than his word and taking it on good faith that his tests are valid. The only people listening to him and getting riled up over it are gullible retards.>This is Arc's wiggle momentI've never played Tarkov and I remember people hyping that video up like it was some utterly damning evidence. I watched it, prepared to be astounded at how bad cheating was in that game, and I got like ten clips of cheaters over who knows how many hours and saw him fucking apologizing to one of them in the comments because he was wrong. People really just want to hear that everybody who beats them must be cheating. You don't have to prove anything and they'll take it as fact and scream at anybody who doubts you about how they must be the gullible ones.
>>738972618Fuck off retard
>>738986524The reason you don't see metastudy-level data on cheating is because it would scare away consumers, and there is not a single relevant party here that has the motivation or resources to do so.You think you're making some kind of intelligent point while inserting your brainlet takes and surivorship bias. I can load up a match in arc right now and reliably find a cheater in more than half of my matches, Objective criteria in Arc like noinfo prefire/nading, entire clips at the head in a game with true RNG aim bloom that are genuinely impossible for a legitimate player to land, players running to you with zero info from across the map because they see a massive number over your head, to name a few. If you've played any shooter seriously for at least a year, you're able to spot or bait info on those cheats very quickly into any engagement. Before anyone's dead, before it's about blame.TL;DR Keep your opinion for a thread talking about something that you actually have any idea about.
>>738985808Play zombie escape. Its fun.
>>738986524https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_54-bo2pc>Just ignore every high ELO CS2 player saying cheating is worse than it's ever been before at every rank bro there's just no evidence bro
>>738988334>and there is not a single relevant party here that has the motivation or resources to do soYeah, the only reason you don't see any study done is because nobody has the motivation. Except the people who made the studies we're literally talking about right now who completely failed to provide any meaningful evidence of their claims. The Tarkov guy even refusing to provide data or more examples because, and he actually said this, he was worried there would be more false positives after having to apologize for falsely accusing someone. >I can load up a match in arc right now and reliably find a cheater in more than half of my matchesProve it, you could be the next wiggle guy and rake in some youtube bucks except you could actually prove it to anybody whose not a retard. You won't though because you can't. >Keep your opinion for a thread talking about something that you actually have any idea about.Sure, I'll keep posting.>>738988873Sorry, I assumed we were talking about the games being discussed and the examples being given and not a completely different game that uses a notoriously inferior anti cheat method to everybody else. My bad.>every high ELO CS2 player saying cheating is worse than it's ever been before at every rankWhy would high elo players even know how it's like at every rank? They'd still make fun of you for insisting that everybody is cheating in your 15k games.
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