Dark Souls 2 is over 10 years old. What do you think about it? Has your opinion changed over the years? https://youtu.be/BeJ-Kscdp4w?si=Qd7fK55RAL4zdpPf
I like King Vendrick.
>>738977770I think it's the weakest entry in the series and a real slog to play through. I thought that when I first played it on release, and when I tried replaying it again recently before getting burnt out and losing interest at aldia's keep. Despite this, it's an alright game with unique ideas. I just prefer every other title in the series over it.
>>738977770The last good fromsouls game Ds3, bloodborne, sekiro, eldenshit and nightreign are all dogshitAc6 was the last good fromsoft game though
>>738977770Better than DS3 and Elden Ring
>>738977770I wish they had developed the concepts and design in DaS2 instead of regressing to bosses doing tekken combos in your face for 10-30 seconds at a time.
>>738977770sorta asssome interesting ideas and set pieces but overall bland and uninspiredformalizing fight clubs was really novel as a ds1 pvpfag. late nights in the blood arena are cozy memories
>>738977770it's the perfect example of corpo interference ruining a game. if you put bloodborne and ds2 side by side you can see what either could had been if you swapped publishers. like imagine BB where they cut all the alien shit out for no good reason and then shuffled the levels around.
>Play DAS2 Scholar for the first time>Most areas are okay except for No Man's Wharf, which is a stand out in design for me (Shulva is my favorite but it's DLC so I don't count it)>Find out later that the bridge shortcut was only added to Scholar and it wasn't in vanilla DAS2This game SUCKS
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>>738977770Before I played it I just wrote it off because it was a sequel instead of a new game with completely unique lore like Dark Souls was to Demon's Souls. All of the marketing about dying was annoying and I thought they were just milking Dark Souls. This is all still true, but I liked the build variety once I played it and I have a soft spot for it because I dismissed it unfairly before.
>>738979225I replayed DS2 vanilla this week and didn't die once in no mans wharf. just play it slowly and use torch to scare the boogeymen. you can even summon lucatiel to help with the normal enemies. the boss is pretty easy because the game expects you to go through enemy gauntlet first.
>>738979529>I replayed DS2 vanilla this weekYeah you're an autist who replayed a 60-80 hour game. I was just describing my first time and that bridge sealed the deal on its quality (as it's not like there's any other good locations in DAS2)
>>738979479>All of the marketing about dying was annoying and I thought they were just milking Dark Souls. This is all still trueYou can thank Bandai Namco for that. Dark Souls and Elden Ring are their cash cow now
It is poo poo
>>738979636>casual failed normalfagGross
>>738979636took me 20 hours to beat it casually but okay. and the game is built around ng+ cycles anyway so it's the other way around. people who play ds2 just once are the autists.
I dont even think about it, the only reason I think about is when I see a thread about it on her ebcause no one else brings it up.
>>738977770I got filtered by the gank castle before I could get to the first boss, but someone posted a bomb barrel shortcut so I might be good to try this turd again.str or dex to eventually play dualblades?
>>738979828>No uOkay autist who casually just replays 60-80 hour games.
>>738979636>60-80 hour gameWhat the fuck are you talking about, not even with the DLC is it nearly that long
>>738979731literally
>>738977770Mechanically awful game. Lots of garbage bosses and level design.
>>738977770i just find the movement and combat so goddamn floaty. i dont care about muh floating castle or retarded enemy placement/spam. it just sometimes feels like when you run in a dream or whatever. feels weird as fuck to play.
>>738980062The running animation isn't matched to the root motion, so it looks like the character is roller-skating
>>738979951okay normal person here's your "I played dark souls 2 once" badge.
>>738980062>>738980185it goes for the enemies too
>>738977770movement feels shitty in a way I can never really explain but it just feels bad to play. boss fights are mostly forgettable outside of a few standouts. build variety is great. world feels bad to explore.second worst souls game but still fine i guess. rather play 1 or 3
>>738980238those falconers only appear in the starting area with tall grass on NG+ in the vanilla version of the game so you can't see their feet ever. scholar added these enemies to that area without any adjustment to their animation. it's just another shitstain on scholar's pants.
>>738977770DS2 is what got me into the series after I dropped DeS and DaS. My spic friend told me to buy DS2 and I actually finished it. I think I dropped DeS because the nexus confused me and I'm guessing I went to the graveyard first in DaS. Without DS2 I never would have played any of these games. Thank you Cruz I hope you are doing well you dumb spic bastard. We only played multiplayer like twice btw.
>>738980261The biggest issue with the movement is that the left stick isn't true 360 movement, that hard lock that it does is closer to the 8 directions you get out of a d-pad, it's a bizarre dogshit design decision. Makes it so I basically don't want to touch the game unless I have the durazno or steam controller profile fix for it.The weird thing is, I don't remember it being this bad on launch, I wonder if something changed in the way the controller input is handled somewhere along the line. Though it's entirely possible I'm misremembering.
>>738980261>>738980559there's a mod that fixes the movement on pc at leastyeah it's fucked
>>738979682ReminderSony were planning to buy Fromsoft but after the head of PlayStation at the time saw Demon's Souls gameplay he thought the game will be a huge flop and they decided against the purchasethe way shuhei yoshida shat on the original game is unreal>完成間近の段階でDemon’s Soulsを2時間ほどプレーしたが、2時間後にもプレーを開始した時と全く同じ場所に立ったままだった。>「これは駄目だ。信じられないほど酷いゲームだ」と感じて、プレーを止めてしまったよ。>I played an almost finalized version of the game for about 2 hours, but 2 hours after having started playing I was still standing there at the same location.>"This is terrible. It's an incredibly awful game.", I thought to myself, and stopped playing.then he ended up regretting it>From subsequently went off to Bandai for DaS and it became a legitimately mainstream hit on the PS3 and 360, Yoshida approached Miyazaki, admitted he was wrong and commissioned From to collaborate with Japan Studio again for Bloodborne>Demon’s Soulsの欧米販売を見送ったのは今世代最大の失態だった>missing out on publishing Demon's Souls in the US and Europe was our biggest mistake ever this gen>The game’s asynchronous messaging system and the ability to learn from other players’ mistakes helped inspire the Share button on the PS4 controller, Yoshida saidIt's also worth mentioning that the last we heard from Miyazaki was>Sources state that Miyazaki and many of the seniors at From resented the Demon's Souls remake as they felt it was not true to the spirit of the original game. It is also stated by sources close to Miyazaki that he had also disliked the fact the studio had remade Shadow of the Colossus, which he felt was disrespectful to the work of Fumito Ueda whom he has previously cited as his biggest influence in game design Now Miyazaki wants to join up with Nintendo
>>738977770Reminder that Original Dark Souls 2 is superior to Shit of the First Scholar:1. SOTFS ruined the lighting system, cranked up exposure and ruined the entire aesthetic of the game.2. SOTFS enemy TYPE placement is nonsensical and illogical, it ruins immersion and environmental storytelling.3. SOTFS healing upgrade item placement (estus flask shards and sublime bonedust) are inferior to that of the Orginal Dark Souls 2.4. SOTFS ruins the progression, flow and exploration of the game by adding a lot of shitty petrified statues blocking off areas for no good reason.5. SOTFS nerfed many bosses and their damage, turning the game into a casualized garbage game. 6. SOTFS nerfed a lot of the encounters with the normal enemies too, only a few encounters were made harder in SOTFS. Contrary to popular belief, as a whole SOTFS is much easier than the Original Dark Souls 2. SOTFS is a casualized garbage game.
>>738980559>The weird thing is, I don't remember it being this bad on launch, I wonder if something changed in the way the controller input is handled somewhere along the line. Though it's entirely possible I'm misremembering.I haven't played the console version myself but I've seen people say it's a PC issue and that the movement is better on console for whatever reason. maybe they built the movement for analog on console but for PC it's jury rigged from wasd or something.
>>738980559>>738980609the more you know apparentlyit's definately always been bad since launch. i preordered the game back in 2014 and was so mad about how it felt to play and adp and some more nonsense that i didn't play it for two months
>>738977770>>738980728What happened to the Sun in Shit of the First Scholar version?
>>738980761yes analog is basically digital without the mod, it's fucked and like you said I don't remember it being that bad on console but it's fucked on pc
>>738980769Seems like they enabled HDR without any adjustment and nodded sagely.
>>738980674Sony could have had:- Demon's Souls with 6th archestone complete.- FromSoftware as their first party developer- Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Armored Core VI, Elden Ring, Nightreign and The Duskbloods as PlayStation exclusivesThis is without a doubt the biggest mistake Sony has ever made, even worse than spending all those billions on buying bungie.
>>738979529>and didn't die once in no mans wharf. just play it slowly and use torch to scare the boogeymenAnd here we have the quintessential DS2 fag. The buffoon who hears someone dislikes the game and assumes it is only because they died, even when the poster they are talking to didn't mention anything about dying or having trouble in particular. It is like the DS2fag cannot comprehend that someone might not like the game because they do not like its layout, its uninspired memberberries, its bland design, its terrible controls, or any of a number of myriad reasons. No, in their malfunctioning brain they go, "I like thing, and I objectively superior and right taste, only thing could possibly be objectionable is Souls games memed for difficulty, and must be only reason people no like thing I like, so I impart wisdom they just need go slow and then they no die and they see thing I like superior!"
>>738980238What the fuck is that retarded running animation?
>>738977770it's the best and worst souls game in a lot of ways. same with ds3
>>738977770I think it's amazing they even got a playable "finished" product on store shelves at all given how fucked up the development was.
You can praise the build crafting, combat, modded graphics, setting and whatever. What makes DS2 so bad is the sheer amount of garbage levels. Is there anyone who is genuinely excited to replay Heide, Aldia's, Grave of Saints, Black Gulch, Doors of Pharros, Undead Crypt, both Belfrys etc? >B-but some of those are pvp zonesThen maybe go play a fighting game instead because even the pvp zones in other two games manage to feel like proper levels.
DS2 is better than DS3 at least lol
>>738980929>The buffoon who hears someone dislikes the game and assumes it is only because they died,Why shouldn't I assume this? none of the shit you mentioned warrants high enough negative reaction to single out an area in the game. "ugh I think no man's wharf is the worst shit ever in this game because... the controls are bad... and I didn't like the textures..." like are you retarded or just pretending?
>>738981083for me, the main issue is really the floaty animations and general off feeling controls
>>738981083I like Undead Crypt, Aldia's Keep, and Black Gulch.
>>738980404The ones in NG+ are also different types and don't use those animations due to their falcons.
My favorite souls game next to das3
>>738980261It's because the game controls have massive dead zones, and once you push through the dead zone it snaps the movement to only 1 of the 8 cardinal directions. Additionally, the game uses the exact same animation and animation speed for all rolls except the <70% encumbrance heavy roll, and it just shortens or lengthens the distance based on your encumbrance, which also contributes to everything feels floaty and the timing feeling off; it's the real reason people thought they needed ADP, because the roll visually was telling them they should be safe but they really weren't moving as far or as fast as the animation communicated. I would not be surprised if the default walking and jogging speeds operated the exact way.
>>738981228>>738981083Why did they make a new engine for DS2?
every sotfs hater is mentally ill.
>>738981083>Is there anyone who is genuinely excited to replay Heide, Aldia's, Grave of Saints, Black Gulch, Doors of Pharros, Undead Crypt, both Belfrys etc?It's just a certain vibe, you wouldn't get it
DS2 is the 21st century equivalent of ff8
>tfw elden ring and nightreign remake a ton of stuff from ds2wish we had ivory king tbqh
I finished my Covenant of Champions run tonight and it was fun but the difficulty doesn’t really feel much different after early game. I still need to do Brume Tower and Eleum Loyce, I did Shulva cause it’s been a while since I played that one and it was really good. I still like the game a lot even if some areas are whatever, especially in the late game.
>>738981380I genuinely like the 8 directional movement. it's like I'm playing chess and moving my guy feels methodical.
>>738977770Loved the story and the sense of adventure. The game has a shit ton of locations. Hated the bosses.
>>738977770I think it’s silly that over 10 years people still care and argue about the matthewmatosis video that he put less time or thought into than anyone discussing it where in the very same video that starts off with “I was disappointed, but it’ll probably still be one of the best games of the year.”You can let it go.
>>738981615absolute creature
>"the build variety is best bro!">mfw using a non-strike weapon
>>738981668I think it's silly that all DS2 defence boils down to>You only hate it because of a youtube video!>It has flaws but I'm going to disingenuously claim that the other games are just as bad as DS2>Actually I like it because I like it, it has the je ne sais quoi
This is my latest completed character with 48 endurance because the heavy attack on this scythe eats so much stamina.>>738981615>it's like I'm playing chessI can respect that. You're like a queen chess piece. or a king too I guess.>>738981563did you get the vanquishers seal? I love that thing.
>>738977770i like all the build variety and variety of locations and bonfire ascetics were a cool ideai hate adaptability, the bosses are mostly shit, the npcs are pretty much all dull and their stories all feel anticlimactic, floaty movementgiants memories were an awesome idea executed in a kind of shit way
>>738981083>the pvp zones in other two games manage to feel like proper levels.in ds3 you have what, pontiff? a huge empty zone with like two titanite shards, four casters, a single giant and two npcsds2 is literally the only game to not waste your time with dull shit like that
ds2 chadswe won.. bigly
>Manikin drops a kukri>"Hey that looks like it'd be really cool powerstanced">Spend the time to farm out a second>Level them both up>Go to enemy Hollow and press L1>500 damage from a 2-hit combo chain>Press R1 and swing one kukri twice>500 damageSometimes I wonder what's the point. It's not like statuses are good in this game, bleed sucks and poison is laughable.
>>738977770the worst game with some of the best ideas
>>738981982Poison is pretty great. Bleed is gimmicky but kinda fun when it actually procs.
>>738981778Not yet, I’m at 26 awestone. I’ll probably get it in the DLCs.
>>738977770it's greathexes suck there's like 2 good ones
I like it, it might be my favourite, but I don't blame anyone for being turned off on it.>>738981982>poison is laughable.1000 damage over like 15 seconds is pretty beastly for a status proc, it's only once you hit DLC (and that Fume Knight is immune for some fucking reason) that it falls off. Bleed exists to make you, the player, shit yourself when you see the stamina regen nerf but doesn't really actually do anything.
>>738982048Ah, I wish unarmed was as good in the other games as it is in ds2 with that ring on.
>>738981773The defenses I can offer is that I'm fairly sure ds1 can't even put up the slightest bit of challenge to me anymore, whereas the retarded clowncars in ds2 still make think about how I'm gonna have to handle them from time to time. And while ds3 is a much more even experience, than both ds1 and d2, it's also kinda smoothed out into blandness and it's also kind of the start of where fromsoft started speeding up the gameplay. So if I want my fix for the slow pace dungeoncrawly kind of souls I'm kinda locked to ds2 nowadays.
>>738982048>awestoneare you farming them? I find that farming those horse-headed statues at the King's Passage wields a lot with full farming gear. they are pretty weak to strike damage so it's just a matter of killing them quickly before getting overwhelmed. plus they drop slabs frequently which is nice.
>>738982092Even without the ring on, I've ended a lot of PVP duels just punching them because the base damage somehow isn't terrible.
>>738977770My opinion on it has only gotten worse.And I hated it so much it turned me off souls-like games.
>>738982092I’ve never done an unarmed setup in DS2 but if I decide to do a full NG+ run on this character I’ll try it out.>>738982126I’ve just been picking up the ones that drop from enemies or invaders. The translucent guys in shaded woods dropped a good amount, I think 5 or 6. I’ve only killed one player invader and then the rest were from NPC invaders which I haven’t really cleaned up in each area yet. I never even got a scythe forlorn to invade me, just greatsword ones.
>>738982126If you want to farm them early just use a bonfire ascetic on the first bonfire in the Doors of Pharros to make Bowman Guthry respawn. For some reason he'll keep respawning over and over there on bonfire intensity 2+, so you can easily get all the awestones you need right there. Did an entire run with the Vanquisher's Seal using that method.
>>738981083Black Gulch is fineUndead crypt is goatedHeide and Aldia are mid but shortGrave, Doors and the Belfrys are Pvp areas, their level design quality outside of that is not much of a factor. They are short and can be potentially skipped if you don't like them
>>738981897An interesting phenomen you can observe on souls twitch streamers chats is that the people who love and get hype for DS2 are the same people who spam trans flag emotes.
what's a weird but fun weapon to try out?
>>738982358lightning infused rapier
>>738982358dunno I always use the greatsword
>>738982358lightning infused hammerlightning infused katana
>>738982358Helix Halberd. Has an extendable pokey bit when you thrust with it.
>>738982358Powerstanced Smelter + Aged Smelter Sword.Rushing both is a neat challenge but just be ready to get your level really high because you lots of stats to pull this off. BUT they get a unique attack when powerstanced and it’s really cool.
Tell me a of a fun build to replay the game with, I think I played as a spell sword with Blue Flame and a faith cleric.
>>738982514Farm those guys in shulva with the repeating crossbows. You can powerstance crossbows in this game, it’s not even that bad but your entire green bar gets completely fucked with every attack.
>>738977770Loved it when it came outLoved it even more when DS3 came out and it abandoned RPG elements to instead embraced the prepare to die memeVery sad that autistics have hyperfixated on hating this game for the most minor reasons but eh it cant be helped
>>738979992>Smelter Demon>Burnt Ivory King>Sinh, the Slumbering Dragon>Fume Knight>Sir Alonne>Darklurker>Aldia>Velstadt, the royal Aegis>Executioner's ChariotOk, whatever you say.
>>738977770It's the worst souls, but it's miles ahead from any other action game
>>738986597>>738982596Dark Souls 2: Switch EditionWould have been top-tier kino
>>738977770Path tracing makes it interestingWould have never been interested in the game otherwise.Played Dark Souls 1 on release for the novelty it was goodDark Souls 3 was more of the same shitBloodborne same ol same oldetc
