Why don't people talk about this game as much as they do 2033?
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Because it's inferior to both its predecessor and successor, both of which are great games in their own right unlike LL
>>738991309its the worst one
>>738991309Self-admitted by the game itself to lack survival horror aspects and is more of an action game
>>738991309I played both and for some reason I remember 2033 much better
>>7389926732033 is more memorable and sovlful
>>738991309Whenever I hear "Unreal Engine 5" I immediatly lose interest. This was my main rule with video games. But in recent years, I've added another rule. Whenever I hear "Slava Ukraini" I immediately lose interest. They've said, and they're now done for me... just like Stalker. NEVER go full Slava Ukraini.
>>738991309It's less janky and more cinematic than the first. My fav in the series. Ppl also mostly talk about the first Stalker even though Call of Pripyat was so much better.
>>738991309Metro 2033 went out of the bubble, stalker was too niche and never manage to do it until stalker 2.Last light was just a cash in on the sucess of the first game.
>>738992804It wasn't.Anomalies are reduced to specific areas, like a fucking playground park. There are only animals to fight in the overworld. And there isn't much point nor satisfaction exploring because everything you want is in the designated play grounds.
>>738991309>2033It had a better atmosphere, and more cohesive story>ExodusIt has the best gameplay, lore building and blend of everything that makes metro actually good>Last lightIt feels genericThe story is actually generic, and not enganging at allThe gameplay is the mordern metro gameplay, but because how the game is set up, it doesnt feel any better then it should (plus it made stealth stupid dumb)The DLC did were fine, though Kshatriya is the only DLC you should play
>>738993181>It has the best gameplay, lore building and blend of everything that makes metro actually goodI feel like it should've been longer. Especially since they made the forest almost an entire no kill stealth zone. It makes the end feel so dragged out.
2033 = AlienLast Light = Aliens
>>738993417this cyka
honestly is underated, i enjoy it more than 2033
>>738991309There's something about 2033's simplicity that works in its favor. I always saw the game as a twisted hero's journey, where Artyom accepts the call to action but that leads him to seeing the worse humanity has to offer culminating with him nuking a misunderstood, peaceful race. It's a pretty straightforward game where you go station to station, trying to reach the Rangers and warn them of impending doom. Comparatively, narratively, Last Light has many more moving pieces and they're not all given the appropriate time and pacing required: you've got Anna being your companion which is dropped for half the game, you've got Pavel betraying you until he's then unceremoniously dealt with in the Gardens, you've got the child Dark One who you're searching for the entire game, you've got Lesnitsky the spy stealing the virus from D6 to give it to the Reds, you've got the whole peace treaty shtick between them, the Nazis and the Spartans... it's a far more involved storyline but that also means that it pulls the player in many different directions at the same time and it loses a lot of the isolating mystique of the first game. It's not bad per se, just different, and certainly less memorable.https://youtu.be/CHVQSch7AnUAlso a more "generic" artstyle and character designs, which is a shame because those were the ones then used for 2033 Redux, the inferior version of the game that most people have played over the original.
>>738995798redux is gross
I got the good ending first try without looking anything up
>>738996281>unironically the bad and non-canon ending
i only remember the several very predictable 'objective: survive' moments waiting for elevators or boats
>>738997027The obvious boss fights too, with the big shrimp outside the church or the armored rhino in the catacombs. Made LL feel more "videogamey".
>>738991309I liked it. Bonding with the little dark one was memorable.
>>738998052I forgot he was in the game
one of the few games that made me actually fall asleepfucking cutscenes and muh story every 10 steps you take
Actually my fav of the series. Had a lot more memorable moments than the first game. Fishing sequence, the blind apes, underground caves, cool story. It was just better than the first one.
The story was made up by the devs and it showsFirst minutes of the game play out like some retarded fanfiction written by a 15yo>Khan was known to be all mysterious and shit but now it just shows up around everyone, tells Miller there's still a Dark One left like an absolute retard >Miller is all like: Artyom please fuck my daught- I mean please fuck up them Dark Ones>Anna is the typical cliche girl boss written by beta males, girl bossing over Artyom even though he's the one that has been through the deepest of shit and literally saved the Metro.Absolute fucking cringe
Last Light did something I fucking hate. It did "humans are the real monsters" shit. Granted the first kind of did that too but it wasn't anywhere near as heavy handed as Last Light was. 2033 felt like it was full of people just trying to survive. Last Light felt like it was full of people who are just plain evil. Also, Anna was thoroughly unlikable. I have no idea why Artyom was so eager to sacrifice his life for her.
>>738999584>Anna is the typical cliche girl boss written by beta males, girl bossing over ArtyomIs this what r*dditors refer to as "media literacy"?
>>738999627>I have no idea why Artyom was so eager to sacrifice his life for herHe wasn't, the Battle for D6 has little to do with Anna specifically, all the Spartans are defending the place from the Reds because if they conquer it they can nuke any place they feel like. And he likes her because he's a 21yo sperg that just had sex for the first time after risking his life every day for more than a year, it's rather simple and human.
>>739000278>He wasn'tIt's been a while since I played but I'm pretty sure a hefty chunk of the game is devoted just to Artyom wanted to save her even though she has been nothing but horrible to him. And the villain commands Artyom to essentially kill himself for Anna and Artyom does. This is before he's formed any sort of connection with her and before she fucks him. He's doing nothing more than simping for a cunt that has only ever be contemptuous of him. It didn't make any sense.
>>739000650>a hefty chunk of the game is devoted just to Artyom wanted to saveIt's literally one level (and a half). You're ordered to hunt down the kid Dark One with Anna, but you and the kid are captured; she isn't. You go on an adventure after escaping with Pavel after which he betrays you, then you follow his scent and that of the Dark One for a handful of chapters until you reunite with the Spartans/Anna in the church of the first game. Immediately afterwards the church is attacked and Anna's kidnapped. You have one level in the church catacombs tracking the attackers, then in the very next one you rescue her, you two are put under quarantine, and you fuck.>he villain commands Artyom to essentially kill himself for Anna and Artyom doesIt's a player choice, actually. You can take the mask off, you can not do it, hell you can shoot the dude while he's talking.You're heavily overplaying how much of a """cunt""" she is during the intro. She's a tryhard in-universe because she's the only woman Ranger due to being Miller's daughter so she wants to make sure she's taken seriously which leads her to playing up a tough persona, and she's heard all about your adventure in 2033 and teases how she thinks the reality will be no match for the legend, calling you "rabbit" and stuff. After you're gone for half the game, during Nightfall, you can hear her radio message pleading for you to hear it so you can come back safe, then you rescue her as a 'damsel in distress', then five minutes later she asks you to have sex with her. That's pretty damn honest lmao.
>>739001275Granted, I haven't played the game since it came out but my memory of it is you're assigned to partner with Anna and she's just needlessly a bitch to Artyom and very condescending and then you get separated from her and her reaction to that is just "Oh well. Guess he's dead then." and then she goes back home leaving Artyom to die. Later on the roles are reversed and Artyom completely simps for her instead of returning the favor.
>>738991309It's boring. I never finished it and remember almost nothing about it except that I didn't think it was interesting or fun compared to the first one or Exodus.
>>738991309Because it's significantly worse.It feels like they tried making a run-of-the-mill mid-2010's cinematic shooter.
>>738999907him throwing up his arms in surprise when she sits on his lap made me laugh
LL isn't a *bad* game but it's a good frame of reference for a sequel lacking soul. They tried to modernize the feel of the game, and it just made the game feel more like a generic FPS without any of 2033's charm. And 2033 wasn't even remotely janky enough to justify this sort of misfire decision.
Metro 2033: janky post-nuclear kinoMetro Last Light: sterile late 00s/early 10s shooter.
>>738991309>the story was really fucking stupid>ruined the worldbuilding by introducing absolutely insane logistical inconsistencies like the reds being able to field thousands of soldiers and comically large doomsday war vehicles; this trend would be taken to its illogical conclusion in Exodus>stealth system from 2033 completely gutted and made into a retard proof PRESS E TO TAKEDOWN game>the moral point system meant that you could basically never engage in combat, ever, if you wanted the good ending>moral point system is very stupid; killing Lesnitsky, a traitor who personally killed dozens of your fellow Rangers and unleashed bioweapons on neutral civilians, gives you the largest moral point penalty in the game because killing him will make you le just le like le him le xddddlike fuck me man and let's not forget how Ranger Hardcore was paid DLC and all it did was make the HUD invisible.Emphasis on invisible: it did not hide certain elements of the HUD like in 2033. It literally just made the HUD invisible, so it was impossible to even fucking check your inventory. The weapon menu is still there and there are different buttons on it for selecting different types of knives, grenades, etc, IT'S JUST FUCKING INVISIBLE.
>>739003190>like fuck me man and let's not forget how Ranger Hardcore was paid DLC and all it did was make the HUD invisible.fuuuck i remember thatyou still had the weapon wheel to select shit but it just wasn't on screen
>>7390031902033 with the silenced AR, stealth suit, and throwing knives was so much fucking fun.
>>739003190>killing Lesnitsky gives you the largest moral point penalty in the game because killing him will make you le just le like le himFunny thing is you kill him either way. If you choose to kill him you slice his throat, if you choose to spare him you leave him, unconscious, without a mask, on the surface, in an area where if you take Artyom's mask off, he chokes to death. Dude's dead.
>>738999627>why Artyom was so eager to sacrifice his life for her.Quality pussu is scarce in postapo
>>739004626It's a nice cope to think he died there but you're giving the developers too much credit. Yeah logically he should be dead but the kid even commends you for sparing his life. The intent is to spare him because there's an ongoing theme that killing is wrong and you're trying to teach this to the watching dark one.
>>739004841>there's an ongoing theme that killing is wrongIt's less "killing is wrong" and more "forgiveness is valuable", because it's the kid's forgiveness over Artyom nuking his family that saves him in the end.
>>739004626how dare he try fondling my russian fuck meat
>>738991309I liked it, not as much as 2033 but still. The best part about it was the DLC where you go to the surface to collect relics. Would've loved to have a whole game like this or at least an open metro one but we got Exodus instead.Do we know yet if the new one will be like Exodus or more like the old ones?
>>739005924I really don't understand the hate for Exodus. I liked the sandbox areas. Except for Volga or Tundra or whatever it was where your route was the same every time.
>>738991309Ive never been able to get into these games. Theyre all dogshit and carried by muh atmosphere but its just an absolute chore to play
>>739006258>Ive never been able to get into these games>Theyre all dogshit
My wife, Anna.
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>>739006002Don't get me wrong, i still liked Exodus for what it was. It's just not what i wanted out of a metro game. As for the hate Exodus gets, it's pretty simple:>buy metro game>look inside>no metro (not counting the beginning of course)
>>739006951is goodu buyu play:)
>>739006951The last mission was also kinda metro-ish. Two colones was also spiritually that.
>>738998052Well it's literally in the title. Teaching him about forgiveness kino.
>>739007169kino
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>>738991309Because it sold almost nothing
>>739007664commies get the rope
>main story is getting your bros a woman>except Damir>the "good" ending for Caspian is Damir getting back on the train and leaving the woman behind>the "bad" end is him staying behind and getting some good asiatic pussy for the first time in his lifeWhy they gotta do him like that?
>>739008536he's a kazakh
LL's gameplay is actually functional instead of cheesing aimbot AI but the locations are less interesting.But being a corridor shooter series for consoletards who can't handle a single minute without a yapping sidekick, no one gives a shit about the gameplay so obviously 2033 is the one that gets endlessly fellated.
bait used to be believable
You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.
>>739011176The second is goodthe first is gross
>>738991309Last Light was soulless slop for it's time and still is now. I seriously hope with Metro 4 returning to the tunnels it doesn't take the same approach.
>>738991309It's worse than 2033 in just about every way, and the 2033 remake is a real slap in the face tooPlay the OG 2033
>>738993181>everything that makes metro actually goodWrong, what makes metro good is being set in a god damn metro, its dark, confined and oppressive. Despite that it feels safer than your brief stints into the surfaceExodus wasn't a metro game
>>739011451>that red square fight>soulless
>>739011987>eagle visionI wanted to snipe the snipers myself
>>739011987Yes anon, one semi decent moment doesn't make up for the rest of the games shortcomings.
>>739006002>Metro
>>739012154What about the bear? What about going through the crashed plane? There are more things that the Red Square that indicated "Soul". Soulless is the last thing I'd use to describe it. Soulless isn't a synonym for bad
>>739012298i liked pavel knowing Artyom was tripping because weird shit like that happening is just a thing everyone has to live with
>>739012298>going through scripted moments like it's a hollywood film instead of actually playing the gameYou're not a real metro fan
>>739012434>You're not a real metro fanDid you like 2033?
>>739012529Did you not? The basis of your answer is more important than the basis of your questioning
Because it felt like streamlined 2033, so there's less interesting bits.That and I refuse to talk about it in case anyone brings up that fucking river BULLSHIT. AS IT ANGERS ME EVERY TIME I THINK ABOUT IT.
I was totally lost with LL's story. All I remember was my guy constantly getting knocked out then waking up lol.
>>739012625I do like it, yes. But you must misremember the game if you think it lacks in scripted moments or slowly walking behind a character for minutes at a time
>>739012298>What about the bear?The last third suffers from boss fight after boss fight after boss fight fatigue. From the giant shrimp to the rhino to the Pavel horde encounter to the mama bear. I'm trying to save the metro from a commie virus, why the fuck am I randomly fighting a giant mutated bear in an arena shaped circle?
exodus retcons ll's existence
>>7390128712033 survival was on another level compared to LL, which gutted and simplified the stealth system to trivialize everything. The scripted moments also feed into the moment to moment gameplay while LL is a series of scripted moments strung together with no emphasis on surviving and planning things out. The game design is not as focused, and the experience suffers for it
>>739012714What's wrong with the river? I liked the part where you walk up to a couple skellies to loot them and they look at you.https://youtu.be/evOJ5E-bXUY?t=652
>>738991309The dark one talking in a little boy russian accent kinda fucks the games atmosphere
Had this thread so many times but I suppose gog is shilling the rereleases. There are many, many issues>Made stealth insanely easy and seriously overpowered >AI in general are also dumber and will stay in the same position during firefights becoming easy targets >Significant reduction in overall atmosphere caused primarily by war focus rather than ongoing mutant threat. The story suffers greatly as a result too >The bosses are extremely poorly designed and just absolutely tank bullets even to their weak points. You need to conserve all your ammunition for these fights on the highest difficulties or you are fucked>Moving your rail car through different segments is just tedious. It's like Half-Life's on a rail but somehow worse >Those side passages filled with webs that slow you down and spiders which hate the light are also similarly boorish >Very bad English dub. Need to play in Russian
>>738991309>commie fuck betrays and tries to kill me>commie double agent kills my friends>im just supposed to forgive them
>>739013484>but I suppose gog is shilling the rereleasesOP here, it's ackchyually because I just finished the game
>>738992804>Call of Pripyat was so much betterThat game is clearly inspired by Fallout 3 with its theme park structure. Not a fan.
ive replayed it many times. it has a million times better replayability value than 2033
>>739013902what the fuck did they do to him
>>739013902how so? both are filled with a lot of sequences where you're just following an NPC around for a level and eventually you're taken off the leash
>>739013484>he played on Sp*rtan
>>739013935He hates Bl*cks so fucking much he's breeding an army of child nazis to combat them.
>>739013943nope, that's original last light not redux
>>739013995kekbut hunter, there are no blacks in russia!
>>739013902Why did they butcher the designs?
Because it sucked. It's the franchise's equivalent to Clear Sky and it plays almost like it was developed by the same retards.
>>739013941>1st quarter of 2033 is just walking and talking>last quarter of 2033 is just walking and qtesthe game unironically ends at the end of the library
>>739014087who knows?
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>>739014039Damn, no option for the 2033 watch in OG Last Light then? Shame.
>>739014217Looks better without the weird orange filter over everything, but the character models were made worse for some godforsaken reason.
>>739014193actually it ends once you get through everyone's favorite part of the game The D6 reactor level where you protect Miller.Holy fucking shit what a masterpiece of game design that was.
>>739014352shoot the ooze pods, you dumb fuckit's painful but not nearly that harddude is fucking immortal>>739014338it's orange because they're by a fire, which gives off an orange light because it's oraaaaaaaaaaange
>>739014398I know how to get through it but it's genuinely a horribly thought out section of gameplay
>>739014398remnant of STALKER devs
>>739014398ngl I just figured it had to do with x-ray's lighting or something because unmodded STALKER gameplay often looks like that, and the Enhanced Editions of those are like.. mega-amber.
>>739014461i was sore about my lack of ammo after>>739014494weird
>>738991309I really like the first half of this one but it starts to go downhill after Venice. I still think the game, minus the character models, holds up really well graphically.
>>739014049They said they'd be coming back, and he's gonna be prepared. Whatever happened to him after 2033, similar to the books or otherwise, probably turned him full schizo against the Dark Ones.
>>739014461>the rail section before d6>the rail section in the tunnels before d6>the walking and talking of d6>that boss>the walking and talking of pre tower>tower is just qtes and... walkingyep. downvote
>>739014217the left looks better, metro is supposed to be a shitty place to be, idk why there's so many lights and they made everything so bright with the 'redux'there's some parts that are fullbright last time I played it
>>739015390the devs were so horny in LLfucking russian nip slippy
>>739015390the opening of the angry joe review lives rent free in my head still
>>739015565god, what a stupid fat faggot
2033's game was better than the book, Last Light was slightly worse than 2034. Exodus was MILES better than 2035
>>739015628wasn't that just the author winging about muh Putler?
How are the remasters if these games? Does it fuck anything up? Remasters changing graphics too much bothers me
>>739015704yes
The new one will be the first Metro specifically designed to be a game
>>739015704Lucky for you GOG has the originals and on sale right now
>>739015704Last Light Redux is essentially the same game, more of a "Director's Cut/Enhanced Edition" version.2033 Redux is indeed a demaster, with worse lighting, character models and overall atmosphere.
>>7390157042033 OG is significantly better, I have no idea how LL and reduc differ
Metro Last Light was honestly more interesting to me than 2034 was. They were definitely inspired by it, but I like the idea of Artyom fucking up like in the novel/bad game end and having his redemption with the last light of humanity's hope for the future
I'm playing 2033 again after the last metro thread I saw, non redux version. 2033 nails the atmosphere, especially on the surface, like LL feels a lot more actiony and has a larger cast of characters that are always chattering away at you, exodus has the same problem, the NPCs are all pretty annoying and you don't really care what they have to say. Still a good game though, feel like it missed some potential with Exodus, a more open metro would have been better.
>>738992804SoC is the best game in the series and what all the big mods were built on. CoP felt more like an expansion pack.
>>739016056CoP feels like such wasted potential
CoP? more like cock of penis
i love when these games leave you completely alone in the tunnels, just ambient music and mutants and then it ends and its cringe writing kicks in
>>738991309Cuz it sucks, nigga.
>>738992426And butt hurt about Russia and changed the story le russia bad on top the gay shit
>>738991309I have all three of these games but I've only played a little of the first and the third, got the second one free on EGS and never played it.I dunno what it is about them, they just never held my attention. >>738992617Might install it tomorrow, I'm desperate for some fps action.
>>738991309buttmad faggots took the strip dance and got the bad ending, hope you enjoyed the songhttps://youtu.be/rN8Te5gJyWg?list=RDrN8Te5gJyWg
>>739016541Russia is bad doe
>>739016159>bandits are neutral >factions share bases >anomalies are fixed and marked on yor map>barely anything happens outside of specified areas >annoying NPCs and missions
>>738991309Oh yeah, the original versions of 2033 and LL are on GOG now eh?
>>739016014I like companionship in 2033The feeling of despair when it is snatched away (RIP Pavel) and your mission goes off the rails is just perfectly bleak
>>739016987Exactly
>>739016541>noooo don't be critical of my beloved aids filled prison-faggot mafia statelmao
>>739016945>>738991309It still has high points, like the swamp, catacombs, and bridge.The issue is a focus on the story, alongside new characters that never shut the fuck up.
>that one NPC you met for 5 minutes in the beginning of Metro 2033?>well he's the main villain of 2039!
>>739016958Taking the dance doesn't influence your points.https://metrovideogame.fandom.com/wiki/Moral_Points#Venice
>>739017131kek
>>738995798The original 2033 feeling kinda janky and weird at times added so much to its charm that was lost on last light and redux.
>>739017131to be fair, he was the reason that Artyom fucked up so badly in 2033. He taught Artyom the phrase "If it's hostile, you kill it." which is the reason he killed the Dark Ones and once he pulled the trigger he immediately realized he fucked up.
>>738991309BECAUKE KILL UKRAINE.
>>739013484You forgot to mention>introduced a hard cap on bullets, but also removed the third weapon slot on ranger for no reason>bosses have invincibility phases where you can dump 900000 military garde bullets into them and deal exactly 0 damage, you have to follow the combat script and wait for certain animations to play out fully>no equipable throwing knives or melee weapon, leaving you with the akwardly delayed throws that will sometimes phase thrugh the enemy hitbox or shitty scrited cutscene takedowns
>>738991309because they're literally the same fucking thing
>>739013484>Very bad English dub. Need to play in RussianOk I was with you for everything but this.Sorry but I enjoy the accented English a lot. Enjoy it in the stalker games too. It's charming and I like the characters more because of it.
>>739017131Hunter was very much someone brought up in online discussions time and time again. People always wondered why you had this strongly characterized character whose motto and appearance Artyom dreams about at the very end of the game, who is established to be a gigachad Ranger, and whose mission given to you is the inciting incident for the trilogy, disappear randomly 5 minutes into the first game and never ever ever be referenced alive or dead in any other game. Obviously the meta reason is that Hunter's in 2033 the game because he was in 2033 the book, and he does appear in the 2034 book as well while absent from Last Light and Exodus. Point remains, you have a clearly defined Spartan with a relatively big impact on the story disappear without an explanation, that's a plot hook waiting to happen.
>>739017157I'm curious where this misconception that anything involving booba in the game locks you into the "bad" ending came from. I'm playing through the series currently and when I mentioned finishing the Venice level he brought up how I better not have gotten the lap dance or I just plummeted my moral points. The games are very clear about when you gain or lose moral points.
>>739017940still retarded
>>738991309silent protagonist shit really ruins the storytelling in those games
>>739018760artyom is a very quiet kill-happy boy
>>739018627Why.
>>739018760Artyom only talks when relevant (loading screens) and locks the fuck in when exploring spooky tunnels.
>>739018990you don't reintroduce a character by having him literally in charge of the nazisthat's like bringing back steve rogers as the head of hydra
>>739019094>you don't reintroduce a character by having him be the baddieWhy not. Sounds like a game's worth of finding out what happened.>that's like bringing back steve rogersYou knew Hunter for 5 minutes, 45 hours ago.
>>739019319no, it's notbecause it's going to be contrivedyeswhy is he a nazi
>>739019356>because it's going to be contrivedHow do you know. There's one thing we know about Hunter and it's his dislike of the Dark Ones and inability to change his mind like Artyom did. You take that, mix it with that happens to him in the 2034 book where he loses his mind, and him becoming a ruthless leader with his Ranger training sounds plausible enough.>yesSo there you go.>why is he a naziThe game's not out yet nigga.
>>739019518>How do you know.are you fucking kidding me?
>>739019546Unfortunately for you this isn't a BioWare or Bethesda situation where you can point at the previous games to show the new one's gonna be shit: turns out every Metro so far has been rather fine, so again: how do you know?
I bought the trilogy for like $12 and played the first one for like 2 hours. The graphics and atmosphere and environments clearly had a lot of work and thought put into them, and even through the story wasn't very gripping yet, I could imagine it slowly getting better.But I was so bored and frustrated by the combat. Almost every single encounter was just "Oh no, these stupid wolf-man things are attacking us from all directiond! Shoot the wolf-man things coming at us from every directions!" It happened again, and again, and again, and again. I got so sick of it. I'm wondering if I should give it another shot. Or maybe if I should even just skip the first two entirely and go straight to Exodus. I do really enjoy both Fallout 3 and New Vegas, and it looked like it might be similar. Does the combat get better?
>>739019990Did you get to the bandit base? That's always fun. I like going fast silent. Stabbing, knife throwing, and going loud once I'm certain all my bases have been covered.Last Light probably has the most combat out of them all