>Sony paid $250M for Firewalk Studios>Sony paid $3.6B for Bungie>Concord had a budget of $400M>Marathon had a budget of $350M + $100M in marketing (and still costs money to keep servers up)>Concord made ZERO money in any way>Marathon already cost Sony a $765M impairment>Concord was closed after 12 days>Marathon is still up after 2 months but loses 2k players every weekAny way you compare them, Marathon comes out worse
>>738991389Why the fuck would you create an extraction shooter game when there is 100s of them, ehat makes companies think like this? Why not make a special game title instead of copying like a fag
>>738991623Bungie has little to no talent left
>>738991389What's stopping Sony from shutting down Bungie and firing the person who had the idea of buying them?
>>738991801sunk costs
>>738991389>Marathon already cost Sony a $765M impairmentBungie as a whole, not just Marathon.
>>738991623I think this is one of those classic "project gets started to ride a wave but by the time it gets released the wave is already over"
>>738991801They need to own the chuds
How did Metroid Prime 4 fail to outsell Marathon?15 years of hypeavailable on two consoles with an (alleged) install base of 175+ millionsequel to beloved gamecube larp series
>>738992472Typical hipster franchise.
>>738991954>>738991698Jewish diversity killed bungie
>>738991389Bungie is a fraud studio. Sony got duped, nothing more to say
>>738991389Who the fuck greenlights this shit? Somebody needs to tell that guy that you can't just bruteforce gaining a Fortnite audience.
>>738992925The investment scam eventually takes over and humans are powerless to stop it.
>>738992472>15 years of hypeNobody genuinely waited that long for this game, especially after all the other metroid games released between P3 and P4.
>>738992472Because the teaser trailer or whatever featured those reddit tranny memer teammates you have and the gameplay is >shoot 4 orange wolves on a bridge in daylight in a Metroid game. It was just all round garbage from every angle, it appeals to no one, no one bought it.
>>738991389You're confused, anonBungie was bought and was actively consulting on all the live-service shit PS was developing because Bungie had experience with Destiny and Destiny 2 while developing Marathon themselves aswellIt's all interconnected
>>738992472>make the worst game ever made>no one buys it>”Welp I guess no one likes Metroid.”>never make another one
>>738994169You forgot#owned#ripb0z0#floptroid
>>738994946idgi are those streamers or some shit
That would be incredible. Bungie deserves nothing.
>>738991801saving face, they can't just take another humiliation like that, so they are trying to diminish its damage, no matter the cost
>>738992472>BUT NINTENDO
>>738991623You forget that this whole thing started when Jim "there is zero interest in games and IPs from previous generations" Ryan somehow managed to become CEO of Sony Interactive Entertainment.>Forced every PS Studios developer to work on a GaaS project>Kept buying other game developers to add more GaaS projects to the growing list>Bought Bungie but gave them full independence from SIE, which is what allowed them to do all the stupid bullshit from the past 3-4 years>Put Bungie in charge of every GaaS project, who wasted no time sabotaging them all so that Marathon wouldn't have any internal competition to worry about>Forced the Japanese PS5 to use X as confirm, and then told everyone that Japan is one of the least important regions for Playstation>Gave himself nearly a billion dollar bonus and put the Horizon Zero Dawn creator in charge of SIE before taking the golden parachute out the door>>738991801>What's stopping Sony from shutting down Bungie and firing the person who had the idea of buying them?Jim already left (see above), and while Sony might want to give Bungie the Soprano special they can't make a move until their shareholders vote on it. It doesn't help that SIE put Bungie down as an impairment loss for the previous fiscal quarter, severely downplaying just how much of a financial black hole they're dealing with in layman's terms, they're waiting until next quarter to write down $4.5B as a loss just in case Marathon somehow, someway begins making profit for them.
>>738991389>$100M in marketingHow ? I can't believe payng a few dozens streamers to play it would cost so much
Marathon is a great game however
>>738991623bluepill: haha yea dey so dumb wtf!!! ^.^redpill: games take long to develop. they started when it was a fresh concept. also development hell.blackpill: they don't want a product to be viable. they want to use money to evade tax and give money to friends.
>>738991698>zero notable projects from ex-bungie to dateThey had no talent to begin with.
>>738996585many have said this
>>738991389They should have just made Destiny 3
>>738991623Because the extraction shooter genre STILL doesn't have a breakout hit. All the clones are missing one or more key elements, and the former genre king is dying of monetization overdose.
>>738991389nice narrative cuck, the game sold 2 million copies during season 1 alone and bungie is independent in their publishing decisions unless they drop to a ridiculously low fiscal threshold, all that "impairment" only means that sony will belive bungie and the bungie ips are worth 3.1 billion, cope and see you in year for marathon 5 and beyond
>>739000414* season 5, excuse me
>>739000414lol so true
>>739000539the haters can seeth and mald, it's over 3 months already, bungie is not an one off studio like firewalk, marathon is here for years
>>739000686preach!
>>738996194This. All of these CEOs are like blood-suckers. Loko at the recent change in MS that changed Xbox to XBOX. They make these pathetic changes to make it seem like they are doing something within the company and portray "value". They know little nor care to know how and why video games work. I knew that the buying of Bungie was a bad deal, and that the internal struggle and firing of the people that made that studio was eventually going to bite Sony in the ass. They deserve it, Sony today, is filled with ideologues and Californian developers.
>>738991389Concord was way bigger because Sony was delusional enough to think this would turn into a gigantic franchise.
>>738991623>Why the fuck would you create an extraction shooter gamethat's not the issue, the issue is it took them that long, cost that much, and all they got out of it was 2 mapsthey put more time, effort, and money to sit around doing nothing than most games entire dev + launch times
>>738991389How did bungie manage to scam so many companies? The bosses must have made crazy amount of money to dupe so many
>>739000723it peaked at 13K yesterday and is poised to only go up with end season content
>>739001669highguard was doing sub 5k in a week and it was FREE, is not going anywhere
>>739001669>peaked >at 13kHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAI remember when you fags were saying it wouldn't go below 20k
>>739001432Don't forget they stole the art too. They had that cut out for them. The entire game's art style was based on an indie artist's own unique art style, they have been trying to bury this.
>>73900189650-60k when season 2 drops
I get the feeling a year from now the doomposters will still be shouting "Marathon will EoS any day now".
>>738996194>>Put Bungie in charge of every GaaS project, who wasted no time sabotaging them all so that Marathon wouldn't have any internal competition to worry aboutWhich GaaS would have been fine if Bungie wasn't there? Every single one I've heard of sounded like a disaster from the start.
>>739002713let them lmao
>>739002713Bungie is free to waste as much money as they want on marathon to save it and try to pull off a ff14 or no man sky redemption. It will not change the fact that the game is currently shit and has not made a cent of profit despite the endless shilling.
>>738991389>HURR HURR CONCORD BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPPTTTTT CONCORD THAT CONCORD THIS HURR HURRIt's outlived both games by more than a couple months, never had an explosive shitshow, and didn't backfire horribly save for the sony eating shit which is a massive boon either way.
>>738991623Well for starters there aren't 100s of them. But to answer your question it's because every faggot exec in the world is trying their hardest to land the next Fortnite, Overwatch, Hell Divers, Arc Raiders, Minecraft, etc. They don't care how much shit slop they throw at the wall as long as they hit big and something sticks, which is such a retarded way of thinking but it's the reason why shit like Marathon, Concord, High Guard, and Foamstarz exist. They're just chasing home runs but the most simple shit that none of these brain dead fucks seem to understand is that NONE of these games were trying to be that...they were just making what they wanted. Fortnite wasn't even supposed to sell on a battle royale and that was just a tacked on mode, Save the World was the main selling point. The Battle Royale just happened to take off and explode and that's the shit these execs don't seem to understand, you can't manufacture lightning in a bottle. It either happens or it don't.TL,DR they're retarded. But the real question here is why the FUCK would they spend billions acquiring Bungie when Bungie has been dog shit for a decade plus now?????? Taking that billion and literally throwing it in a furnace to warm their headquarters would've done more for them than doing that.
>>738991623for the same reason everyone and their wife's son's grand uncle made battle royale modes when pubg was talked about and Fortnite printed a glorpzillion rupees with theirs
>>739003895>why the FUCK would they spend billions acquiring BungieSame reason you developed.People tend to forget but destiny was a gigantic moneymaker and was a live service on par with overwatch in terms of profits. The problem is sony couldn't see the writing on the wall that bungie long stopped being a good developer and in their covid expenses frenzy and their massive live service push and with the threat of acquisition by a competitor looming, they pulled the trigger too fast.
>>739004497I think the last part of your post is true. They saw Microsoft going full retard buying up everything and got scared. I still think it was stupid, not even because Bungie is washed and has been dog shit for years but mostly because even with Microsoft buying up everything they've still managed to put out ABSOLUTELYFUCKINGNOTHING. They acquire all these studios and IPs just to let everything sit and rot and then lay a bunch of people off, it's actually pretty retarded by them and also retarded that this would scare Sony into acquiring Bungie.
>>738991389>be Marathon>cool extraction shooter>selling surprisingly well all things considered>not even alive when Bungie swindled Sony>have everybody blame you for all the debt your family has accrued>including your older brother D2>even though he was the one who took out all the loansWhat the fuck man
>>be marathon>>cool extraction shooter
>>738991389Moving Sony to California has been a shitshow
>>739006764First time dealing with western games?
>>739007002>plays Marathon>HIV negativeAre we talking "negative" negative or "doesn't show up on tests when I take this pill" negative?
>>739007002>0 feet awayAnon, watch out! He's right behind you!
>>739007132>He's in the walls....he's in the fucking walls!
>>739007094He definitely stealthpozzmaxxes
>>738996136cry bitch
>>738999010Correct. They're all Frat boys that got lucky to be in the right place at the right time.You're not manually remembering Mac Halo was a RTS until MicroSlop told them "RTS is dead, retards. Make a FPS!" and they cobbled together a "system seller" (it wasn't, that was Dead or Alive 3) in the eleventh hour.Then made sequels in the eleventh hour as well.Sony fucked up not doing due diligence and seeing they were frat boys that had no idea what the fuck they were doing.
>>739007450Are you saying any incompetent dev could just be tasked with "Make a system seller!" and pull it off?
>>739002597See you when it's maybe 20,000 maximum.
>>739002114>The entire game's art style was based on an indie artist's own unique art styleThat's just not true. First of all, Antireal was already ripping off The Designers Republic, his style wasn't unique at all. Second, his art was abstract and 2D. Marathon is a 3D game with both manmade and natural environments. Saying that Bungie simply stole Antireal's art style ignores the work of their 3D artists, environmental artists, character designers, and animators.
>>739002765Unironically: The Last of Us 2: Factions from 1.>Have LoU1's throwaway multiplayer maps>Has a niche community fervor/following>Proceed to have Naughty Dog shitcan it and hide it under "we gotta focus on our single player, sweaties. :) <3" when Bungle told them to kill it "because we can't monetize that!">Wonder why your shit is floppingBTW: Port Uncharted 4's multiplayer to Steam, Sony.
>>738991623>Why the fuck would you create an extraction shooter game when there is 100s of themThere's like 5 multiplayer extraction shooters that people are actively playing, and even then there's 2-3 of them that only get like 10-15k concurrent players. Escape from Tarkov, Arc Raiders, Hunt: Showdown, Arena Breakout: Infinite, Dark and Darker.Where are you getting "100s of them" from?
>>739007503No, because I'm saying Bungle was lucky. No other incompetent developer would make a system seller.They're just lucky that Halo was the only shooter on X-box at the time (you're not manually remembering Half-Life 1 was a PS2 port, never got a port to X-box, however Half-Life 2 did get a port while not getting a PS2 port, bafflingly)
>>739007675Ones that came out, flopped, and were forgotten. There is that H1Z1 rip-off one, Fortnight tried it IIRC, and a few others that were immediately dustbinned because they got no players.It's not "100 of them" but the industry has been trying to make it the new "Battle Royale" since Tarkov got players. It's just the genre is so niche that trying to Millhouse force-meme it isn't doing shit for it.
>>739007703People bought Xboxes in order to play Halo. It doesn't matter if the Xbox launched with 10 other shooters.
>>739007002is this the BLAST they've been having???
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3722076758uh oh haters being retarded again
>>738991623They thought extraction shooters were going to be the next huge thing in FPS's so they wanted to be the first AAA game of this kind. Basically they wanted to be to Tarkov what Fortnite was to PubG. But unfortunately for them not only were they beat to market by ARC Raiders, it turned out that extraction shooters were not the next big thing. They're also wildly incompetent with very little talent left at the studio.
>>738991389The thing that makes me cringe about Snoy is the whole "welcome to the family" narrative, which they promoted once they acquired Bungie.Snoy does not have any first party titles or games. It's all just studios that they purchased over the years. It's not the same as Nintendo's situation, which is mostly franchises that were developed in-house, or by fostering organic relationships with other local Japanese developers.Snoy thinks it can just acquire random studios like Bungie, call them "first party," and expect them to perform well... what a load of shite.
>>739008119bruh this nigga has 800h in marathon over two and a half months he is in game right nowwhat the fuck
>>738999852It never will. Casual players will never get invested in a game where they get nothing out of playing outside of L's. ARC is probably the most mainstream an extraction shooter will ever get.
>>738991389Absolutely. Sony didn't pay 3.6billion dollars so concord could be made lmao
>>739008236Nintendo has acquired plenty of independent studios solely to monopolize their IP's. Rare and Monolith being two of the most notable.
>>738991623they think they can take an inherently casual unfriendly genre like extraction shooters, make it appealing to casuals and make the next battleroyale/fortnite to print billions of dollars
>>739008236i get pretty bent out of shape when i think about how many great titles are on the ps1/2 that are just doomed to never see the light of day again. How the playstation ended up being the nogames box is honestly fascinating.
>>739008119what does this guy do in life other than play bad games?
>>739008407What the fuck are you talking about anon?Rare? Do you really think Nintendo invested heavily in Rare in the mid 1990s because they were amazed by Battletoads, of all fucking games?Nintendo invested in Rare because they were amazed by their use of 3D technology, more than anything else. Not because of IPs.It was actually Rare that benefitted from Nintendo's IPs - not the other way round. The Donkey Kong Country games were a massive success for Rare.
>>739009704checking out what games have DEI in themwhich is funny, since marathon is one of the most pozzed games out there
>>739009801>211h over 2 weeksHave we found the guy who leaves marathon on to boost the playercount when he isn't playing?
>>739009858One of them at least.
>>739009801Other than the developers themselves, I don't really see anything about Marathon that's tranny-like. I'll give it shit for everything else though.
>>739008236>Welcome to the family!>Kills Japan studios >Kills firewalk>Kills London Studios >Kills Bluepoint >Kills Outlaw They joined a death cult
>>739010130>I don't really see anything about Marathon that's tranny-likeone character designs is literally george droydalso this abomination
>>739002765>Which GaaS would have been fine if Bungie wasn't there?TLOU2 had a full multiplayer mode ready to go with the game's launch, but because of Bungie that got thrown into dev hell for years before being cancelled.
>>739008119new frumpylumps gem droppedhttps://steamcommunity.com/app/3065800/discussions/0/834998907215879064/
>>739010251Maybe they should have made better games.
>>739008407Nintendo never acquired Rare, hence why Microcock was able to buy them for Xbox, and Nintendo doesn't own any of Rare's non-DK games. As for Monolith Soft, Nintendo was majority shareholder for the longest time when Bamco decided they didn't want them anymore. They only became full owners a couple years ago. And Monolith Soft doesn't own any of the games they've made in the past, their back catalog went to Bamco, Nintendo only has Xenoblade and uses them more for their ability to make optimized worldspaces.
They should give 10 M each to 70 shitter indie studios insted and see what happens,
>>739003895Nonnie ceos are incentivized to focus only on the biggest games if it flops devs get fired and the ceo walks away with millions in severance. The incentive structure is fucked. Video games were never supposed to be ruled by multi billion dollar companies ruled by child fuckers.
>>739011507>and see what happensWhat happens is they pad their pockets with 9.5 million and use the leftovers to make some asset flip slop that flops. Studio gets shut down, everyone gets fired and then takes to twitter to get on their soapbox.
>>739009801>marathon is one of the most pozzed games out thereIn what way? All it has is one ugly black guy.
>>739007002marathonsissies was supposed to be a joke....
>>738991623The same reason every studio wanted their cinematic universe after Avengers.
>>738992472Prime has never been real metroid.
>>738991698This, it's a zombie company with no staff remaining from the OG Marathon/Myth/Halo days. It doesn't even make sense for Bungie to continue as a brand.
They should have done a System Shock 2 style remake for Marathon.
>>739009753>it doesn't count because i said so!
>>738991623what is a extraction shooter? a fortnite?
>>739002765I think the ones with the best shot would have been TLOU, GOW, Twisted metal, Spider man multiverse, and the Destiny spinoff. The bigger problem is the literal billions bungie directed to Concord, Fairgames, Hulst's Horizon game, and this sack of shit.>>739010130Post gender transhumanisim where people's psyche get implnted into 3d printed shells. It's central to the concept. They even have dysphoria. The designers have gone to great lengths to talk about how it's tranny as fuck.
>>739001432Hell, they donated more to try to have 4chan shut down that many of the other extraction shooters paid for an entire year of development.
>>739016538Like fortnite except you get to keep and reuse gear you win with, and you can leave the map early, and if you do, you keep whatever you have.
>>739016676I see the original design of Marathon matters very little. I miss when you just shot aliens with a shotgun.
>>739017190Why of course you can have an uncaring insane genoicidal AI, but Durandal wouldn't DARE to misgender someone.,
>>739014647>It doesn't even make sense for Bungie to continue as a brand.this is true, because the real damage was done with Destiny 2 going into the shitter because of Marathon development caused the brand name of Bungie to sink. That name does not mean anything to newer gamers other than something that shows up in their Youtube feeds as a failed company because of D2 self destructing over the years, so why bother playing their new products. Sony should EOS all their games and shut the whole thing down, including the name, and cut their loses.
>>738991389Sony's going to either go bankrupt or will have to sell their Playstation brand off to cover these losses. Who buys the Playstation brand then /v/?
>>738992472The Metroid franchise is a complete anti-draw. In fact it probably actively repels people away.
>>739000686I love this Marasissy cope, ignoring that Firewalk and the Highguard devs didn't have a bottom line or any other products on the market bringing in cash. Bungie still has Destiny 2 as well as the Bungie Store bringing in money. Since Concord and Highguard were those studios only revenue source it caused them to collapse instantly from them being massive flops. Marathon's failure will cause layoffs at Bungie followed by reduced content output for the game. Its funny its only been 2-3 months and it has less players and makes less money than Destiny 2 that hasn't gotten an update since December last year.
>>738992472I only played Prime Remastered. I will likely never play Beyond. Not that I am against it but I need to play the other Prime games first and everyone says Beyond is shit. So I mostly don't care.
>>739007450Halo was genuinely never a good game its the most generic shooter with such a lukewarm shit ass story, its only rise to fame was due to its multiplayerpeople are shitting on 343 but Halo was never good no matter who makes it
>>739020909this. Bungie is a company fueled by nostalgia, and that, at best, does not work for very long. And Bungie's history post Halo was about just disappointing their ever dwindling fanbase because they wanted to try something different. Game devs are the absolute worst people to be involved in the business of making and selling games.
>>738992472The mistake was not canceling it after Dead Cells was released.
/v/ lost
>>738992754What about China?
>>739020248>Who buys the Playstation brand then /v/?Microsoft, duh.
>>739021265any long haulers in the chat
>>738991623It wasn’t an extraction shooter at first, it was a PvE game with some pvp sprinkled in and based off Destiny lost sectors, but then the old director got fired and replaced by the valorant guy who pivoted to extraction shooter
