>villain has the most powerful power in the world>still loses
>>738991431he loses to someone who also has the most powerful power in the world in a 1v4. the odds were stacked against him
Can some jojotard explain how come jotaro learned to stop time at the 11th hour? That was not his stand power. It's like they couldn't write a way for him to beat dio so they went "uuuuh he can stop time too".
>>738993575Araki pulled that shit straight out of his ass.
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>>738993263I don't think being 1v4 was a big thing for Dio, Joseph and the others were jobbers in that fight.
>>738993575Star Platinum stando powaaa based on Jotaro's skill to learn and adapt that he displayed in exacly one fight before. A 1 time only skill to copy another stand skill.
>>738993575My understanding is dio could stop time for (let's say 5 seconds). Jotaro could for 5 seconds too (just follow me here).Dio stops time and 4 seconds pass, then jotaro stops time.So basically we have a total of 9 seconds of stopped time but only dio could move in the first 5 and jotaro in the later 5. With 1 second of them overlapping where they both move.Does that make sense? It's how I understood it.
>dio forgets he has eye lasers>jotaro forgets he has star finger
>>738993575>That was not his stand powerThen what was his stand power?
>>738993575Dio was using Jonathan's bodyJotaro is Jonathan's grandchildThey both have time-stopping powers
>>738993797jojolion was such a piece of shit I can't believe every retarded elitist like hamonbeat pretended it was building up toward a grandiose finale
>>738993575Yeah. Everyone just goes with it though. And even better, it keeps happening.>"GER beats King Crimson because... fuck it.">>738994096So then surely Giorno, Josuke, and hell even Joseph should have time stop powers too right?
>>738994004>dio forgets he has eye lasersi imagine that's down to dio's extreme ego, in regards to his stand and in generallike "why would i bother with that vampire shit when i have the invincible fuck you i win stand power">jotaro forgets he has [extremely niche technique that has a very slim range of applications and is more likely to lead to him breaking a finger than doing any real damage in a 1v1]yup
>>738994096Why can't Joseph stop time then? Why can't Josuke or Jolyne stop time?
>>738991431a bird mogged the entire cast so hard it had to be banned
>>738994229>>738994278because it'd be less entertaining that way.See, that's why you're an autist and Araki is a writer.
>>738993575The way I understood it, Dio's stand power was in some way drawing stand powers of Joestar bloodline and mimicking them, which makes sense for his character and explains why it started to force-activate their stands in the first place, including Holly who's not even a proper stand user. He's also shown to be able to use hermit purple at some point, so timestop being Jotaro's stand power he wasn't aware about for a long time isn't too farfetched.
>>738994004>Giorno forgets forgets he can reflect attacks
>>738994172Part 8 is extremely lucky SnK was ending around the same time, it overshadowed how trash 8’s ending was
>>738991431>>738994326Capcom could include Suzie Q as stand users + Chun Li outfit
>>738993575Araki definitely changed his mind at some point, but the obvious implication was that the time stop was Star Platinum's native power and The World only had it because it was supposed to be an amalgamation of all of the other Joestar stands (which is why Dio also randomly used Hermit Purple vines and why The World retroactively resembles Crazy Diamond)
>>738994364Unfortunately, this is headcanon. Dio’s hermit purple like stand is confirmed to be Jonathan’s stand. It’s a common fan explanation that he has ties to other Joestar’s stands but it’s not true. The actual reason Star Platinum can stop time is because it’s the same type of stand as the world. If that sounds retarded, it’s because it is, but that’s the canon.
>>738994528The world was originally going to have all stand powers not the joestars
>>738993575Star Platinum's power is speed and strength. Time stop is just him moving at hyperspeed.
>>738994229>>738994278>Why can't Joseph stop time then?dio had 2 stand abilities: the world and a hermit purple-like stand that only appears like once or twice and is implied to have been the stand of jonathan's bodyjoseph and jotaro developed their stand abilities as a result of a "distress signal" type connection to jonathan, whose body was being used by dioas such, they developed stands that corresponded with the ones diojotaro got a stand similar to the world, and joseph got a stand similar to the one jonathan's body hadother jojos wouldn't be able to do this, as joseph and jotaro were jonathan's strongest descendants at the time and as such were the only ones who could actually handle the stands they were given (i know that sounds silly considering how weak hermit purple is in terms of combat utility but holly and josuke were straight-up dying from the abilities they got and we know it's because they were too weak for their stands so do the math)
>>738994278>JosephOld>JosukeBastard>JolyneWoman
>>738991431>>738993575The true in-universe answer is that fate is a real force in Jojo. It was fated that Jotaro would rise up to kill Dio and gain the power to beat him, because he was the only one who could. Fate/the will of the world also shot Kars into space because he was an abomination against nature. Free asspulls for everyone.
>>738993575arakai is a hack and he does that shit with most of his writing
>>738994629Hermit purple is actually a pretty solid stand also you now realize if Joseph wasn’t a senile old fart part 4 would’ve been solved instantly with its powers
>>738994692>in jojoIt’s true irl, it’s called gravity (which also comes up in p6)
>>738994781>Hermit purple is actually a pretty solid standthat's why i said it was weak in terms of combat utility specificallymost of the fighting joseph does with it involves channeling his hamon through it, so in a fight the hamon is doing more work than the stand is most of the timeit's great for locating things and helpful for traversal since he can grab onto things with it but it doesn't have any particularly strong uses in combat that don't directly involve joseph falling back on his hamon
>>738994528Crazy Diamond looks like The World because Araki said he really liked drawing The World so he designed Josuke's stand that way to keep drawing him.>>738994326Kakyoin is so overpowered in this game the only version of him thats tourney legal is the one with glasses because its a much weaker version of him and he's still easily top 5 with banned characters removed.
>>738993575Dio was Dio's head grafted onto Jonathan's body, The World is derived from the Joestar bloodlineThe real answer is that it was an Araki ass pull but one you can forgive maybe for the ending. None of the other descendents ever obtained the time top ability, and then Araki resets the world and everything's fucked up again
>>738994358That's a completely different argument. Some posters are saying that descendants of stand users get the abilities of their ancestors, which would be fine in a story, but it's the fact that only Jotaro gets time stop powers, it really seems that that isn't the case, and I don't think it's even written anywhere that that's how stands could work. "Star Platinum is a similar stand to The World" was all we got.And now that I really think about it. >>738994096Jotaro isn't Jonathon's grandson, he's Joseph's grandson. Joeseph is Jonathon's grandson. That's 4 generations apart!
Star Platinum didn't "gain" time stop, he always had it.You fuckers are actual retards, you probably think King Crimson can't attack during erased time unless it's "fated" lmao
>>738995162>Some posters are saying that descendants of stand users get the abilities of their ancestors, which would be fine in a story, but it's the fact that only Jotaro gets time stop powers, it really seems that that isn't the casejotaro and joseph getting their stand abilities the way they did was a particularly special casemost people don't inherit stands from their ancestors, instead gaining the aptitude to be a stand user in the first place (which is how giorno and jolyne got theirs, if i'm not mistaken)
>that one time they could just shrink their stands
>>738995439Thats them making their stands less powerful to be able to track down Lovers, stands can do this all the time just not always specifically shrinking, Chariot throws Polnareff away in the colisseum fight in part 5 and then catches him in the air, there's also a bunch of instances of stands going out of their intended range to grab things.
>>738994629>touhou>>>/jp/
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would you guys say that he's a fraud, or a zesty fraud?
>>738994943That’s what I mean though, it’s actually a solid stand combat wise. There’s a ridiculous amount of stands that actually do nothing at all in direct combat. Hermit purple can at least grab, deflect, block, etc. it’s also like a mini hieorophant green that can attack from weird angles. With clever use like darkness or hit in run the spirit message could help in fights too, but old Joseph is washed so he doesn’t really use to its full potential. It’s not great at all kind of like a knife to a gun fight but when you line it up against a lot of stands especially past part 3 that has less direct combat, it’s ok as a combat stand
>>738994421VGH!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNvlTSgoHD0
>>738995226The more I think about KC the more retarded that stand is. I get what it does thematically (achieve your goals and literally sweep the means you used under the rug) but in practice it's just The World again except the targets are still moving instead of frozen
>>738995624Kira led a hand?
>King Crimson doesn't get an evolved form like the other main villainsIt's not fair
I wonder, Araki created part 1 as a parody of HnK or his intention wasn't that?
>>738993575>>738994229Firstly, it was very obviously planned from at least when we learn what Dio's power is.Secondly, Dio has the power of every Joestar that is alive at the same time he is, due to having Jonathan's body.When he fixes Pucci's leg (without turning him into a vampire) this is from Crazy Diamond or even Gold Experience.Star Platinum, obviouslyThe vine thing is copying Joseph/Holly (which even if you go with the "it's jonathan's stand thing, you already explain why the world is similar to Star Platinum) and allows him to see Joseph spying on him with spirit photography and talk to him through the tv.There's also the weird plant shit he does in part 6, which comes from gold experience.
>>738997341I always assumed Dio fixed Pucci's foot in a pillarman-esque vampire fuckery way
>>738994692Fate is unironically the most kino part of jojo. All the best parts revolve around fate.The final chapter of part 5 where it shows how half the gang are fated to die, but their is hope for a better future in the struggle.The whole "ball landing on the net" analogy in constrast to everything that happens in part 7 and how Gyro knows he has to try regardless. Genuine giga-kino.
>>738996037>>738996939I'm still waiting for him to release the 2007 film "Phantom Blood" on Tubi.
>>738997606It's locked up in the shueshia vault and they really want people to forget it exists for some reason. Knowing this series it's probably just some boring copyright issue.
>>738996515King Crimson is fucking gay I am glad he is suffering a fate worse than death
>>738997672I won't forget the lost media until those old farts ceo release it.
>>738993575Jotaro didn't know all the ins and outs of Star Platinum since he only had a stand for like 2 months so he needed to be exposed to Dio's time stop and try to move during it. Time Stop was always Star Platinum's ability he just needed to learn it and push his speed and precision to its absolute limits because all the stand users Jotaro fought were pushovers compared to Dio.
>>738991431Hftf was the best jojo fightan game
>>738998160All Star Battle could added Juliet from lollipop chainsaw
So did Johnny and Slow Dancer.... you know...
>>738993575Honestly as I've reread the series i've come to like that twist. Family members having the same/similar stand ability happens quite often within the manga. In the arc before, we're introduced to Darby's brother who has the exact same stand (with an added mind reading ability) so there is a precedent for it and the logic here is that DIO and jotaro have a sort of familial link since they can sense eachother so this extends to the stands they awaken too.
>>738993575Being a stand user often gets inherited and they share blood. Dio body is like 90% Jotaro's grand-grand-grandparent. When he got his stand power it awakened stand powers in most of his descendants, that's like the entire point why they even decided to go hunt him down(Jotaro's mother can't handle her stand and killing dio will save her because who tf knows). Dio also has Josephs stand ability and uses it to track them early in the series in very similar way to how Joseph tracks Dio.Also keep in mind that while Jotaro was convinced he is possessed and then pulled out of jail and send off to the other side of the planet, Dio had a knowledgeable mentor and all the time in The World to master his stand powers. Jotaro had to figure everything out on the run and he had to see how Dio is using his power to even try doing something similiar. I bet he could perceive the stopped time and that gave him the idea, since Dio perceives Jotaro's stopped time with no problems.
>>738993575It's literally an AsspullI won't pretend to defend it as anything else than that.However, it's still kino as fuck.
WWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY JOASTARS GET OUT
>>738999434everything below his belt doesn't work... but that's the best part
>>738993575He saw how much The World equaled Star Platinum in all other stats and figured that they must also share the time ability.
Is Araki a good character designer?
what would the arcs have been like if dio and kira had swapped stands?
>>738999434Slow Dancer was a mare and Johnny only regained the control of his legs by the end of SBR.
>>738994358Bodied that freak.
>>739000305Yes.His color palette (not the Shueisha one) and sometimes choice of accessories might not be for everyone but i think he does a really good job making characters that stand out, but arent an eyesore. The only real crime he commits is his constant struggle with samefacing.
>>738993263The odds stacked against him? Dio had a team of super villains making the life of the Stardust Crusaders impossible. Enya the witch taught Dio how use The World. Kakyoin and Joseph made the fight fair by discovering the secret of the world. >>738993575The answer is fate, no I'm not kidding. The fate of the Joestar and the Brando were joint together the moment George and Dario first met. The same way Dio had his own hermit purple, the Stardust Crusaders had their own The World (Star Platinum)
>>738998160I thought asb was also fun but the online multiplayer is utter dogshit
>>738991431>>villain has the most powerful power in the worldKira arguably had even more powerful ability and even got get free of the jail card like twice, and still lost. At least it was 100% deserved because he was also biggest retard in the world.
>>738994692>>738997591And then there's part 8 with go beyond because that goes against calamity/wonder of u. But that's beyond fate
>>738991431>hero has exact same power>still wins
>>738997672Nah, I bet it had to do with the Quran scandal
Do (you) believe in 'Gravity'?
>>738993987>>738994364>>738994528>>738994629>>738997341>>738999903If you have to write a fucking essay to explain a scene, that means the writing is completely fucked.>>738993664Basically this.
>>739001105the quaran scandal was from the ovas
>>739000521Having everything basically be a random color with no regard to what the actual color of that object would be I can take or leave, but I think the color palette having zero primary colors is really pretty
>>739001112>if you need a full paragraph to explain how main character got his ability in a battle shounen it means the writing is fuckedAre you retarded?
>>739001154Yeah but it had consequences that went beyond the OVAs, including redraws for the manga. I bet there was something in that film was related to the Quran scandal.
>>739000305yes and no, some of his designs are top tier but plenty of others are downright horrendous. It all depends on how outlandish and tacky he feels like making a character look.
>>738993575He always could, D'Arby had a meltdown because he realized it
>>739000305Yeah to certain degree. Some of his most iconic designs are 1 to 1 copy of real life designs, like Part 3 Dio, that outfit is from a David Bowie concert. With that said JoJo is a good fighting manga and the ideas of Araki are at least fun or imaginative. Same with his designs.
>>738994096Jonathan's stand was shown to resemble Hermit Purple.
>>738994172Hamonbeat is such a faggot nigger
>>739000305maybe
>>738993575Originally Dio was going to have the all the Crusader's stand abilities. The final fight would have been Jotaro figuring out his time stop and deducing he has the ability. We see this idea early on in the series when Dio is shown using Hermit Purple's ability, but Araki changed his mind and Dio using Hermit Purple got retconned into him using Johnathan's stand (which makes no fucking sense).
>>738996515Giorno was the VillainMorally Giorno is in no way better than DiavoloPart 5 is the only part where the Villain winsSee: Polnaref taking DIOs position on the stairs and Diavolo taking Polnaref's
>>739004225>Morally Giorno is in no way better than Diavolo>the guy who is risking his life to keep drugs off the street is as bad as the guy who wants to kill his own kid for personal gain
>>738993575holy fuck so many posts and it's all the same secondary bullshit headcanon from ages ago. if you actually read the fucking manga>dio explains via flashback that he was testing how fast his stand can move by having people shoot bullets at him and having his stand deflect them, the very first thing jotaro does to show off his stand back in chapter 1>in that flashback dio says that eventually his stand became so fast it was like the bullets were frozen in air for a moment, which is what clued him into his time stop, because moving at light speed is the exact same as freezing time for everyone moving at normal relative speeds>dio also has that scene where he pranks hol horse by puttling objects out of nowhere (because he grabbed them using the world), which is mirroed by jotaro doing the exact same thing in the poker game.>darby knows the details of how dio's stand works, so when he sees jotaro do a trick in the exact same way that dio does (moving at such insanely fast speeds a normal person can't possibly perceive it to grab something, in jotaro's case a funny drink or to light his cigarette) he rightfully starts to panic that he's caught between dio (who he belives is invincible because of his power and doesn't want to betray him) and someone who is pressuring him and has the same invincible power - which leads to him having the seizureTLDR: jotaro and dio always had the same power because za warudo is just moving at light speed, the colors going negative and all the other stuff is just visual flair to make it look cooler in a manga, the same way star platinum throwing a punch is a way to make "the psychic uses telekinesis to slam the other guy into a wall" look more visually interesting, araki wanted to make a psychic manga as was the style of the late 80s but needed a more visual twist to stand out so he made stands
>>739004803>>>the guy who is risking his life to keep drugs off the street is as bad as the guy who wants to kill his own kid for personal gainGiorno didnt want that, Buccerati didGiorno only wanted to be a gang leader. He was completely merciless towards people from the Hitman teamNot only that, but he told Buccerati to betray the boss which Buccerati did not want to do initially until he saw the boss wanted to get rid of Trish, something Giorno did not know of ahead of time.
>>739005252>Giorno only wanted to be a gang leader.he wanted to be the leader because he wanted to be a good guy mafia like the guy who saved him as a child, araki threw a lot of yakuza romanticism about how paying protection money to them is better then being fucked by the corrupt government/police into the mafia>He was completely merciless towards people from the Hitman teambecause they were trying to kill him and also trish who literally did nothing wrong, even if they retroactively have beef against the boss they're taking it out on the wrong people and most of them are sociopaths that get off on torturing people
>>739005516>>he wanted to be the leader because he wanted to be a good guy mafia like the guy who saved him as a child, araki threw a lot of yakuza romanticism about how paying protection money to them is better then being fucked by the corrupt government/police into the mafiaGiorno wanted to be the boss before he knew who Diavolo was, without thinking the mob was doing anything immoral. Its why he was trying to convince BUCCARATIIIII and even convinced BUCCARATI to carry the walkie talkie + turtle in the form of a lady bug into the meeting with the boss, without knowing that Buccarati would end up angry at the boss for wanting to just get rid of Trish. Before Diavolos reveal there's nothing in Giornos dream that says that he wants to be a better person than Bossu~Not to mention betraying Polpo for his own mistake
>>739000583Dio had Hermit Purple, because The World's power was retconned. It originally was supposed to have the power of all other stands, while time stop was Star Platinum's original power.
>>739005708the end of giorno and brunos fight at the start as giorno pointing out that a child was using drugs and the mafia is pushing drugs onto kids which is what convinces bruno to recruit him, which is then further elaborated in that bruno has had concerns for a long time and was just a little too unwilling to do anything about it>Not to mention betraying Polpo for his own mistakepolpo has a whole scene revealing that he's a huge hypocrite because after his talk with giorno about how trust and respect is everything he does typical villian monologues about how he's going to exploit him and he gets random people killed as part a fucking hazing ritual.i'm not gonna bother replying if you post again desu you're either trolling or doing some izzat shit
>>738991431>muh stop timeexplain this
>>739002539>Araki changed his mind and Dio using Hermit Purple got retconned into him using Johnathan's stand (which makes no fucking sense).It kind of makes sense if we consider Hermit Purple as a type of stand that comes from Hamon, since both of them used it extensively. I think Araki said that he imagined how would a hamon stand look like, with it clinging to user's body etc.
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