>>738994176How come Kris never fucked her
>>738994234He knows better. Never stick your dick in crazy, let alone put a ring on her
When the fuck did the "Christian folklore" of people becoming angels after they die begin? It's pretty clear that angels are an entirely different kind of heavenly being, higher and more powerful than humanity, though without the same potential to earn God's grace through faith and earthly goodness, and that humans don't simply become them when they die.
deer mating press
>>738994176>FIND OUT NEXT EPISODE! >Several years pass
>>738995245Jesus said that people will become "like the angels in heaven" after they get their immortal bodies, so that's probably where it started.
The wait is getting so bad I'm starting to have Deltarune dreams myself. Tonight's took place in a Light World city that was ablaze (similar to the Doom Board in CH3).
>>738994176You posted her
https://xcancel.com/SleepySaysStuff/status/2055312328715813068Say hello to your weird route final boss.>b-butLancer used the LANCER Card!
>>738995639well what did Jesus ever know about Christianity?
>>738994176>>738996635are these based on an actual manga that exists?
>>738996174toby is unironically getting btfo'd by my deltarune dreamschapter 5 blue soul secret boss is a "I Wanna Be The Boshy" clone on noelle's computer
>>738996992That would be kino and I wouldn't mind it at all
I hope nobody here believe we're getting a newsletter this month
I don't hate Lancer, but I don't see him holding additional weight besides a noble sacrifice later on.
>>738997587Yeah, we're not getting a newsletter this month but we are getting ch5
This game needs more Dessriel I can't relate to the little tykes
>>738997731Genuine schizophrenia
>>738997735I really love fanon Dess.
>>738997731>Two more weeks unironically
>>738997731gotta wait till the next bintendo direct lasdy
>>738997994I really hope there is a nintendo direct in june and they don't show anything related to Deltarune. The people crying here would be so funny to see.
>>738997731Toby's going to make us watch another 30 day countdown timer again...
Man i can't wait to play for 3 hours and wait another full year for more
>>738999635It's gonna be like 2 years, assuming he decides to release Chapter 6 standalone
>>738999635Lmao it's going to be 3 years for 2 chapters.
>>7389998214 actually, they still need to update and test the engine
>>738999821>3 years+4 years easily, this is not gonna come out before 2030. No, I don't care about the tree man saying 11 years, I do not believe him.
>>738000000
>>739000000
>>738994176The Angel is ME.
>>738999926>>738999950Damn. No choice but to WAIT, then. 2030 release is extremely grim, though. I can't believe we're going to exceed the seven years maximum of WAITing by 5 whole years.
>>738994176(You) are "The Angel," but the angel that The Prophecy is talking about is being set up to be Noelle, but it will actually turn out to be Dess
>>739001505Nah Noelle will be the angel, at least in the weird route, and we'll make her kill her sister
>>739001176You think Toby is gunning for a record long production time for a game? Beyond good and evil 2 is at 17 years but I think it was put on hold a couple of times so it doesn't really count, next up is Duke Nukem Forever with almost 15 years.He started to work on Deltarune sometime in 2015. So all he has to do is drag his dick until 2031 and he's golden
goomy on da /v/
>The Knight was Papyrus in a mech suit, unable to control its directive>the suit was made for Noelle to take her over at the end of Chapter 7 and make you fight her to save the Dark World and the Lightener townsfolk together>but Weird Route had you breaking her to make her strong enough to resist the soul control and break the prophecy, making Ralsei and Susie, and eventually Gaster fight you as you break the soul rehab program trying to make Chara a hero
>>739002138It's more likely than you think
>>738994176>Who is the Angel?......................Mike...........................................
Anons my shadow crystal is showing me a vision from the future.I don't think I like it.......
>>739001838That's possible, but Deltarune is episodic unlike these games so there's at least content of it released unlike these games. What's the longest episodic game release? Now that's what we should compare it to.
>>739002730Nice try
>>739002828>SHE WAS USED UP>HE WAS USED UP>YOU WERE USED UP
i am sexually aroused by cartoon animals
>>739002138She draws good
>>738997587>>738997731>>738997994>>738997907>>738998785wait for the 3+4 1st anniversary in june 5 for newand don't expect anything releasing in july either
>>739003240Get in line, bud
>>739003389I have already accepted an August/September release. Do not ask me to justify why I believe this, I cannot, no rational mind would believe it would take so long for Chapter 5 to release, but if there is something I've learned over all these years, it's that Deltarune's development is anything but rational.
Tobybros... he's TAKING TOO LONG... they're turning on him...
how do you wish to torture the characters in the weird route?
why would you hurt the deer anon?she's your friendly friend and she doesn't deserve the pain
>>739003806Sometimes growing up is painful
>>739003634I already justified august/september a billion times here>toby feeling safe to put 2026 in the credits teaser means it probably won't come too close to the deadline, so no november or december>toby also said to not expect a release in the first half of the year, so no may or juny>july is just after the window starts, so not likely specially given toby's track record>october isn't unrealistic but still too close to the end of the deadlinethus you get august or september
>>739003806She likes it when I hurt her, though.
>>739003458
>>739003389I'm an expert at WAITing, buddy.
>>739003806that little piece of shit is making toby's god awful romance writing hog the spotlight in the gameshe deserves hell and worse for it
>>739004096buddy, I've been WAITing since October 31, 2018
>>739003678you just know this artist has drawn some fucked up stuff
who else is excited to se what will be the new half baked gimmicks and minigames that will take up half of chapter 5 only to never show up again imagine how many actual enemies and bossfights could have been made in the time it takes to develop each of those
>>739004540>chimeracauldroneh his stuff isn't to my taste but it seems basic as far as furry porn goes
>>739004557i like the half baked gimmicks
>>739004151isnt that more on the fault of the writer?
>>739004557Next up is some tarzan vine swinging gimmick that will overstay it's welcome of course.I don't know why he bothers with this shit. Best part of these games is walking around fighting and interacting with silly enemies not these flash tier minigames.
>>739004890anon, lightners are supposed to be seem as le real, did you forget that?
what is he saying?
Deltarune fans be like which 16 year old is the sexiest
>>739005361noelle of course
>>739005361Noelle
The Noelleknight guy is now my least favorite poster. At least the anti-human schizo believes in his stupid ideas. The Noelleknight guy purposely argues in bad faith, which is infuriating.
>>739005361objectively noelle
>>739005361That would be Temmie.
>>739005361It's Kris.
>>739003678Omega Flowey style torture for Kris only. Then i force her to marry me.
>>739005534>At least the anti-human SCHOLAR believes in his stupid ideas.My ideas are NOT stupid!
>>739005361Vessel
>>739005680You're like a cute tsundere, just like Krissy <3
>>739005828is Noelle really the Homura of that relationship? that doesn't make much sense
>>739005942Apparently that's the majority opinion and I'm okay with it.
>>739005534To be fair at least the NoelleKnight guy doesn't hate the games nor does he falseflag or pretend to be multiple people.
>>738995245>When the fuck did the "Christian folklore" of people becoming angels after they die begin95% of folk Christian ideas come from the Divine Comedy or Paradise Lost, mainly because it's cooler worldbuilding than what the Jews had come up with.But I think that this particular idea is Greek, the honorable dead becoming stars and all.
>>739004557Honestly I like the gimmicks, they make each chapter feel unique.
>>739006153>pretend to be multiple people.Yeah, that shit is annoying. Lying is bad. You shouldn't do that shit.
>>739005361Aged up hypothetical Deltarune Frisk and Chara of course.
>>739006153Yeah I fucking hate when charatranny does that
>>739005583Dess...
>>739006494Should've added that you project a lot in that post.>>739006310Yeah, the NoelleKnight guy is just a deranged theorists and not a malicious schizo whose purpose is to only shit the thread.
>>739005808Gaster...
>>739006619>the NoelleKnight guy is just a deranged theoristNo he isn't. Deranged theorists believe in what they say. The NK dude doesn't -- he argues in bad faith. He's a piece of shit.
>>739005130>gimmick that will overstay it's welcomeIt's a paradox. Those gimmicks simultaneously overstay their welcome yet never get actually developed. Tea cup rides are a fucking joke and a waste of time for how easy they are. Only the one in the basement is a challenge at all, and it's annoying as hell the first time. Then comes chapter 3, which contains the entire kitchen to justify the tea cups and those would have been PERFECT as a Tenna minigame in many ways, yet that never happens.>I don't know why he bothers with this shit.I have no fucking clue. Across all these 10 years, what fans did the most was battle fangames and fanfiction, not block pushing fangames. Then he puts all this effort into making a million minigames like this was a Wario game that is just pretending to be a JRPG.
>>739005361obviously Noelle
>>739004557The guy who made Undertale and Deltarune is going to continue making puzzle hallways instead of traditional RPG slop?
>>739006696Honestly I thought he believed in his schizophrenia. A shame, then.
>>738994176she did it first
>>739005942noelle is closer to moemura than edgemura but yeah
>>739006991>UndertaleHad very simplistic, block pushing type puzzles or riddle puzzles for the most part. Mettaton's cooking show is the only thing that gets close to a DR style minigame. >DeltaruneChapter 1 was fairly light in gimmicks, and Chapter 2 despite bullshit like the tea cups or annoying mouse rooms has a great variety of enemies and bosses.
>>739007269Metaton's chapter was my least favorite in Undertale. The endless minigames were pointless and annoying.
>>739007269We get it man, you're still butthurt about Chapter 3
>>739004726>>739006297Are they worth the extra 6 moths it takes for Toby and his bum team to program them in? I'd prefer if that time was spent on regular enemies and more creative bullet patters instead.
>>739007347I'm still butthurt about Hotland 10 years later but mostly over how "actually this whole fun setup is a lie" was the conclusion to it.And I'm even more butthurt over the fact this is what the entirety of Deltarune is turning into.
>>739005361Berdly
Minigames are good actually and keep the game fresh on a moment to moment basis. You don't know SHIT about bad minigames in RPGs if you're complaining about these.
>>739005130>>739006868I think the answer is extremely simple, Toby just likes those minigames. In Undertale he was limited to his poor coding skills so he probably wanted to go wild with Deltarune and include everything he wanted due to having a team. The biggest fan of the gimmicks is none other than Toby himself.
>>739007136i see...
>>739007481Toby hates his own games' combat system. This is evidenced by the fact he can't even do basic HP/damage calculations. It's all fake.
>>739007481No but Toby wouldn't have replaced them with regular fights, those are his passion project.
>>739007576Evidently he's still limited by his by his poor programing skills. These are actually scratch tier minigames, old flashgames btfo Deltarune out the water
>>739007481>Are they worth the extra 6 moths it takes for Toby and his bum team to program them in?I am once again left baffled wondering what version of the game you whiny fags playedIt's all just block pushing puzzles, switch puzzles, mazes, timing puzzles. One of the major gimmicks of Chapter 4 is just "it's dark."The only gimmick so far that probably took a significant amount of work is the climbing and 3D environments in Chapter 4 and that was absolutely worth the effort they put in. If you played that and your response was "they could have added three more Scrumbumpus instead!" I don't know how you've stuck with these games for this long
>>739007556And literally every encounter in Deltarune is just its own "minigame"These fags just want to complain and whine about everything
>ugly bastard rapes foid:>"INCEL!">"this is just a chud's fantasy!">"revenge porn!">"self insert gooner slop!">"jail now!" >pretty boy rapes foid:>"he was just misunderstood!" >"he was abused too as child!" >"there's nothing wrong with morally gray characters!" >"he was being forced to do it!" >"I wish he would rape me too..."
>>739008164It wasn't rape. She instigated it and thanks us afterward. Also she freaks out and throws a tantrum if you turn her down. It was rape for Kris, but FUCK Kris.
>>739007815Not to prop up Yellow, but I distinctly remember the regular enemies and minibosses having quite fun and creative bullet patters, much more than Deltarune. Ch3 and 4 barely have any regular enemies and the few that there are are pretty uninspiring bullet patter wise. It makes Deltarune feel like a glorified visual novel. Undertale was way better in that aspect
>>739008164It's actually "ugly bastard rapes pretty boy"
>>739008096Toby stfu, I play these games to fight enemies and dodge bullet patters. I didn't come here to play Bubble Trouble
>>739008096I played the version of chapter 3 that has>less common enemies than chapter 1>only half of those enemies have anything to do with the TV theme>not a single proper midboss>over 60% of play time spent on a sluggish zelda clone that has nothing to do with UT/DR gameplayand the version of chapter 4 that has>less bosses than chapter 1>most of those bosses are heavily scripted>main boss has less attack patterns than King>a third of the chapter is the climbing gimmick that yet again has nothing to do with UT/DR gameplay
>>739008659>the TV themethere it is!
Guys, excuse me I’m going to ask this here because I reckon ‘an angel’ is somewhat related, and CT is too, I started a thread a few hours ago with this image, titled ‘It uses B.C., but Christ doesn’t exist in this universe’; then I went to sleep and, when I woke up, I saw that my thread had been deleted for being off-topic.How is it possible that an image of Chrono Trigger ages mentioning a trope that appears in many video games isn’t about video games? Something happened in the thread?
>>739007949Yeah but it's somehow much better than what he could do in his Undertale days lol
>>739008680the sad part is, he didn't bother even doing much with the house objects either
>>739008153Chapter 1 had a grand total of 3 ACT gimmicks (mashing Z, aiming and matching parts), everything else was UT style "talk to this enemy until it spares you"
>>739008697People probably started arguing about religion and thus jannies thought it was an off-topic stealth thread.
>warned the next area was going to be a dangerous underground filled with hostile monsters trying to take my soul>it's just some goofy fucking skeletons>they make me do a bunch of stupid puzzles>only half of them have anything to do with the snow theme>finally get to the boss and it's a fucking platfomer??? nothing to do with the UT gameplay I liked beforeRobert Fox has completely lost his touch...
And believe me, I am still waitingI'm playing vidya and I'm still waitingI feel fantastic and I'm still waitingWhile you're dying, I'll be still waitingAnd when you're dead, I will be still waitingStill waiting, waiting
>>739008164Kris was the one who got raped and people always praise male rape lol
>>739008961But that gimmick happened inside the battle screen! And you progress the boss by sparing over and over! It's totally different from scripted bosses and gimmicks that happen in the overworld!
>>739008373I can't really agree with that. Yellow is incredibly boring until the Steamworks, although it's regular enemies are it's stronger aspect, but I can't say they beat Deltarune's regular enemies, maybe only the ones in Chapter 4 at best.
>>739005130>>739006868I actually thought the climbing minigame in Chapter 4 was pretty good, I enjoyed it a lot, but other than that and the Mantle minigame I think all the gimmick minigames in this game are complete dogshit, the worst being the susiezilla one, thank god that's optional.
>>739008659>zelda cloneDoesn't the game take place sometime in 2020's? Why are these kids playing some prehistoric shit like zelda? wtf go play gacha and fartnite like a normal zoomer.
>>739009042Half the bosses in Undertale are "just press whatever use ACTs that do nothing or literally just hit the 'pass your turn' button until the turn timer runs out"and now we have to deal with retards saying Deltarune having ACTs that actually do something to clearly and directly progress the fight is bad game design because it's "minigames"
Hot take: the fight/act/item system is pointless. These games at heart are bullet hell autoscrollers. The most serious fights are so scripted that they already ignore them. Just remove them.
>>739009285Deltarune is already reverting to that formula (see the Gerson fight). Toby abandoned RPG combat after chapter 1.
>>739009157tbf it has been a while it has been a while since I played either Yellow or ch3 an 4. The bullet patters in yellow was the one thing that left a positive impression on me while all I can remember from the ch3 and 4's enemies bullet patterns was them vaguely flying in my general direction
>>739009285Deltarune bosses are mostly that though, probably more than Undertale actually.
>>738994176I read that as "I want to become a bagel."
>>739009342>Gerson fight is just randomly acting and passing your turnYou have to pass every turn to see a set of super hard bonus attacks that you usually wouldn't. The actual fight requires certain actions.
>>739009415The Pippins, Zappers, Shutah and Shadowguys patterns are pretty inspired in my opinion which is why I can only agree that 4 is like that.
>>739008961>>warned the next area was going to be a dangerous underground filled with hostile monsters trying to take my soulThe Dog Guards try but they're just bad at it. Undyne and Mettaton try for real.>>it's just some goofy fucking skeletonsThey're way tougher than they seem at first.>>they make me do a bunch of stupid puzzlesQuick basic puzzles just like the Ruins had.>>only half of them have anything to do with the snow themeuh>snowflake bird thing>snow/ice enemy>5 fluffy dogs>reindeerOnly Jerry and Glyde really feel out of place, and Glyde is just a hidden backer character that had to be somewhere. Mad Mew Mew is also just a post game Switch exclusive fight that had to be somewhere.Sans and Papyrus aren't overtly tied to snow but they don't overtly go against it either. UT wasn't about "the places that you know seem like fantasy", it was about standard JRPG enemies being goofy and you not having to kill them.>>finally get to the boss and it's a fucking platfomer??? nothing to do with the UT gameplay I liked beforeIt's a different control scheme for the usual battles, not something completely different. I don't think Papyrus is the best fight in the game either, too scripted, but at least it's worth for the story there.
>>739009452that would be her asking kris to gape her
>>739009452Noelle Bagel
>>739009459Gerson's fight only requires you to attack and heal so he's right.
>>739009342>see the Gerson fightYou CAN just stall that out and survive but it has several unique mechanics that reward you by progressing the fight faster (and being fun and cool)>Toby abandoned RPG combat after chapter 1UT/DR has never aspired to do "RPG combat" and never done anything more interesting with it than timed hits
>>739009432Every Undertale boss aside from Mettaton is that. You pass your turn until the boss does the thing that progresses the fight. The closest it gets to being interactive is Undyne not directly progressing but instead letting you flee, and thus progress, when you pass enough turns.
>>739009559Deltarune chapter 1 did pretend to be a more traditional RPG. The concept was simply abandoned.
>>739009563Yeah but Deltarune is literally ALL that because Toby added an ACT to Tenna that gives you free points making him a lesser Mettaton.
>>739008164what if ugly bastard deer rapes kid
>>739009710then WE will have to step in and rape her back
>>739009648Deltarune makes every spareable boss more mechanically interesting than Undertale. Even Spamton, who literally just has a "progress the fight" act, at least uses TP for it and thus demands you be playing actively to do the fight fast.
>>739009285I preferred when you had to check the enemies to get an idea of what they want or brute force it by paying attention to the narration or run away if you're a shitter like me. Now it basically boils down to filling up jet another bar. I don't even read the text, I just span options until I get to one that gives me the biggest number.It should have been kept like UT. Kris is the only one that can act while Susie and Ralsei get support spells.
>>739009285And that's something I have criticized Undertale for 10 years on that aspect.>Toriel is not a challenge at all once you know she won't kill you>Papyrus doesn't change much depending on your acts, very scripted fight>Mad Dummy has the entire Fight and Act system be irrelevant>for Undyne you just have to figure out you can flee her>Muffet is just waiting for her dialogue or buying the right items early>Mettaton has great ACT mechanics but it doesn't matter because he isn't that hard in the end>Asgore only gives you buffs with his acts/pie>Omega Flowey and Asriel GoHD are cutscenes pretending to be hard battlesI wish he had done more major bosses with the ACTing the common enemies get. Believe it or not, Miss Mizzle from Chapter 4 is a battle I very much enjoyed to play.
>>739009834Spamton’s ACT literally doesn’t use TP. None do outside of Tenna's acts which are worse than saying I love TV
>>739009941Maybe Undertale was never good... I can't hecking believe it...
>>739010080I excused a lot of the faults in UT for the fact it was Toby's first fully original game, the short length and the lack of resources it had. I liked the novelty but never felt it was the greatest thing ever like most did. Chapter 1 was the thing that really made me a fan of this whole thing.
>>739009432>Deltarune bosses are mostly that though, probably more than Undertale actually.Toriel, Papyrus, and Muffet are all "wait out" bosses with no (normal) mechanics to progress the fightUndyne is also a "wait" boss but you have to pick "run" at the endMettaton is a semi-wait boss but essentially requires you to engage with the Ratings mechanic that is what actually progresses the fight, and has a lot of variety in how that's doneKing is the only major boss in Deltarune that you can just wait out. Every other boss requires you to either FIGHT it or engage with its mechanics to win (except Gerson, who can technically be stalled out but this is much more difficult than just progressing the fight normally)
>>739009917>I don't like Deltarune because I can't read and I'm bad at video gamesSurprising, you'd fight right in with most of the fans
>>739010323Both Queen and Tenna are just "use this specific act to win" which is basically stalling out, too.
so Kris and Noelle would 100% be dating if the dessappearance didn’t fuck every thing up
>>739010736Kris would have stayed being a piece of shit without the trauma to turn him moody.
>>738994176>Underage tumblroids are still "discussing" this dogshit gameNu /v/ is a travesty
>>739005583Kris has beer belly as a teen
>>739010439nigga there is no challenge to deltarune. Its way to forgiving, why should I waste time checking enemies when I can just quickly span through the options to spare them. There is no effort with regular enemies while the bosses and minibosses are basically scripted cutscenes. I honestly though you couldn't die to jackenstein with how much I was fucking up when I first played it
>>739010581>"use this specific act to win" which is basically stalling outNo, that's engaging with the fight's mechanics. You need to actually do something to win, even if it's as simple as just picking the right option to fill up the bar. A fight like Spamon NEO's is very simple, you just pick the ACT to fill the mercy bar, but you do have to do that and can't win by just stalling the boss out, the boss can pressure you by making you spend turns healing instead of progressing the fight.Half of the bosses in Undertale don't even do this much.
>>739010848Noelle impregnation route unlocked
Why are these threads just human and doefags posting the same five jokes over and over again? Where are my susiebros at?
>>739010932Zamn!
>>739011102I never ever found susie attractive, since 2018
>>739011102Doe and human supremacy eradicated them
>>739011102You missed total Susiefag extinction. They all died. You are a member of an extinct species.
>>739010985>nigga there is no challenge to deltarune. Its way to forgivingCompared to fucking Undertale?
>>739011102Susie is my friend, I don't want to have sex with her
>>739011102As a Susie fan ive got to admit that Noelle just has better porn. Like 80% of Susie porn is gross fat fetish, futa, or scat content while for Noelle like 95% of her porn is normal stuff.Also most anons have a weird rape fetish and want to corrupt the innocent so Noelle is the perfect target for their sexual frustrations.I prefer to just quietly enjoy Susie content without making a big spectacle of it.
>>739011102Most people have accepted that Krusie is not going to happen, and most people interested in Susie were maintly interested in her because of Krusie. No Krusie, no reason to be interested in Susie.
>>739009285Yeah Undertale doesn’t really take advantage of the act button much in it’s boss fights. Pretty much the only fight to actively utilize the mechanic well is mettaton’s encouraging you to mix up your acts with even fighting being viable. Which just makes it all the more obnoxious that instead of doing something with the one thing Toby dropped the ball on 90% of fangames would rather just be shitty clones of sans’ fight where you just spam attack until the game decides to not let the boss dodge
>>739011560Not our fault that Toby wants to use the game to relive his trauma of getting dumped for a lesbian.
>>739011734>I'm dumb, she's a lesbian>I thought I had found the one>We were good as married in my mind>But married in my mind's no good
>>739011242Actually yes. See in UT, you could typical handle like 4-5 hits max before dying, inventory was more limited, gold wasn't abundant, healing items weren't everywhere, saves were decently far apart. Deltarune gives you way more resources, hp, storage space, save points, etc.It makes a big difference to a shitter like me. I died a couple of time in UT while with deltarune I haven't died once playing through the game normally. Might as well be watching a movie for all the attention it requires from me
>>739011102they got bored of the WAIT and left. Same with all the fish, spider, and even most of the humanfags. Chances are we’ll start seeing them again once ch5 comes out and we aren’t left with just the “thread regulars”
>>739012094>and even most of the humanfags.Tsundere tourist humanfag...
>>739011867And ironically the girl he wrote that song about wasnt a lesbian after all
>>739011867WHEN I THINK I'VE FOUND A GOOD OLD-FASHIONED GIRLTHEN SHE PUT ME IN MY PLAAACEEVERYONE'S A LITTLE QUEEROH CAN'T SHE BE A LITTLE STRAIGHT?
>>739011102Susie inexplicably does not attract as many autists as Noelle or any of the humans do which is essential to convince people to post 24/7 with no new content in sight
>>739010862Wait until this guy realizes what old /v/ee thought of undertale
>>739012309Susie does attract autism, they literally have an entire /trash/ general. It's just that Krusie didn't get much content
>>739012379Bragging about choosing genocide and posting schizo theories about gaster with a large smattering of fanfics and gay porn?
>>739012309With full respect and love for Susie, there's not a lot to talk about with herShe's the only one who isn't hiding anything from us and her characterization is very straightforward and easy to understandThe only things to talk about are shipping shit, what's her role in the Prophecy, what happens in the Last Prophecy that made her so upset (she's gonna die), and occasionally you get some autist demanding that she gives them reparations for bullying Kris because they got bullied in middle school or whatever
>>739009710>Dess>Ugly
>>739010862Undertale is /v/core
>>739012439NahIt was just toriel and undye horny posting with the occasional chara worship
>>738994176You know who
>>739012832That's not true or accurate. Most of it was Toriel lusting, Asriel lusting and endless arguments about who was right between Asgore and Toriel and theory discussion over Gaster and genocide. Also morality over genocide being right or not, Undyne and human (not just Chara no matter how much you force it) weren't relevant enough compared to these
fuck toby that nigga can't keep us in the dark for this long
>>739014025You will learn to WAIT without any news.
>>738994176ZAMN kris raped THAT
>>739014025Don't worry bro, any day now surely
>>739012094spiderfags will just plain give up if she doesn't show up this year
>>739013386Those were some pretty good times. Undertale also came out the same time my other favorite game (hatred) did so there was lots of friendly rivalry going on
>>739010932That just her pregnant belly.
>>739014313I feel like spiderbros are content in their own occasional waifuthread, no? I don't think most of them NEED Muffet to show up in Deltarune.
>>739014335Yeah, even if the endless moral discussions were annoying. It's just that we have an annoying redditor "charafag" that keeps trying to rewrite history despite proving himself to he a newfag several times
>>739014716I've seem people lamenting her absence for years so far. Just not as much as Papyrus.
>>739014829>picIt would be the first way. In spiders that have a large pair of eyes and a number of smaller ones, the smaller eyes are generally less advanced and are only used for detecting changes in light and movements beyond the periphery of their primary eyes. This is why jumping spiders turn to look directly at things despite having eyes that theoretically give them a very large field of view. So Muffet probably doesn't see very well out of her additional eyes, even with glasses, so it would be pointless to try and correct them with lenses.
>>739014829That I know but I didn't think her actually getting into Deltarune was a big deal for her for them. I thought they were fine with her not showing up.
>>738994176their religion worships the angel and their holy text is just gaster shit, shouldn't gaster be obviously the angel by this point?
>>739015309Gaster angel has more evidence than player angel btw.
>>739015359What if falling into the CORE was an attempt at Gaster becoming the Angel from Undertale's prophecy and thus making the underground empty?
>>739015463It's possible, the Angel is related to the Deltarune there, too. Maybe Deltarune as we know was a Gaster experiment into creating a world monsters and humans never went to war.
>>739015359>no
The hack theorists returned.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R9_rPTMsEQ
>>739015665>implying I'll watch anything not from the only smart nigga in this entire fandom Andrew Cunningham
>>739015772He's a hack theorist because he doesn't theorize.
>>739015907I'm not saying Andrew is a theorist, but he's the only one that has anything remotely interesting or insightful to bring to the discussion.In this fandom, that's like 1 in 1000 people. What burden Einstein must've carried, fucking morons everywhere.
>>739015359No, what?Angel's been pretty much associated with (you) since undertale. Shit hasn't changed since then, particularly with what chapter 4 was implicating
hello guys, I work at tobysoft and here is my leakchapter 5's secret boss is a hot female and her battle is a sex minigame you win by making her orgasmscreenshot this before toby's goons find me and delete this post
>>739016049I see the chapter 3 secret boss was delayed to chapter 5
noelle owes me sex
>>739016195are we ever going to see what kris's cactus looks in the dark?
>>739016025The player literally can't be the angel in Undertale because you don't fit any of their requirements. It's Asriel in pacifist and Chara in genocide.
>>739016049>>739016195RIP How-to-Draw-Dragons DarknerTenna was good but you'd have made a great side Hostess
>>739016302>CharaThat's literally (you), anon.>AsrielOnly possible because of (you), making you the actual angel there, too.
>ch7>finally confront gaster and his master plan>he starts monologuing >tlds's>this starts playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIowwZThIXM
>>739016403>matpat vindicated
nobody will win the kris bowl
>>739016025PlayerAngel implies I will meet with my desire at some point which is not guaranteed to happen
>>739016461
i <3 wing dingaster
>>739016493Is the Vessel not your Desire?Is not having sex with Susie (Real)?
>>739016493Isn't it?
>>739016493>PlayerAngel implies I will meet with my desire at some pointWill I finally get the 7 Jevils I was promised?
>>739016378During the genocide monologue Chara explicitly says she isn't you, and the Angel is the one who frees the underground, not the one who helps the one who frees the underground. Plus we never "return" to the underground either.
>>739016683Chara's not the one who emptied the Underground, anon. (You) did.
>>739016493This. There's a lot of things that don't make sense with player angel. It's the biggest hype and aura theory.
>Kris, I think
>>739016746chara made me do it
>>739016746Chara destroyed the world, not me. We just bring the world to its edge.
>>739016810we're!
>Officer Undyne, I swear I didn't rape Noelle!>I was being controlled by a demon named [player.name]!
>>739016746The underground is not empty by the time you get to Asgore. That happens later whether you like it or not by Chara's hands
Noelle with (You) in her is the ANGEL.Dess with whatever power she got after she disappeared is the KNIGHTDess probably has something similar to (You), whether it's a human soul or something else who knows, but she gained some kind of power when she died/almost died/disappeared to become the Knight. She's too strong and feral to be a normal Lightener.
buttsex with the spider
>>739016841You'd have a point if both the prophecy didn't say Emptied and (you) didn't literally empty it.
>>739016882CUTE!^^
The Angel is a Trinity.(You), Noelle and Wing Ding Gaster.
>>739017006Tis emptied. You've killed everyone that you can encounter, renderihg the game empty once you kill Asgore and Flowey.You're acting like this ain't one of the most meta games under the sun.
>>739017118>noelle spreads her Wing>(You) put there your Ding>then will be born a Gaster
>>739017140There are still monsters around. You just can't reach them and don't need to for the purposes of the geno run
I HAVE NOT PLAYED CHAPTER 4.Yet i goon to noelle a lot.
>>739017286based
>>739017032But we don't empty the underground, there's still several monsters alive before Chara destroys the world
>>739017140okay show me the battle where we kill alphys oh wait
RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE
>>739017286What are you waiting for anon? CHAPTER 5 IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER!!21
>>739017350(You) and Noelle consented.It's Kris who was raped.
>>739009195What 2020s kids are saying dude and using CDs? Most stuff points to 2000s.
>>739017406It certainly won't be the last time
>>739017406That's the best part>FUCK THE DOE DO IT NOW FAGGOT>*angry grumbly noises*>Ah... Kris...No wonder he tries to kill (You) in the bathroom afterwards even if he clearly needs (You)
>>739017545
>>739017406Surprised no one made a meme image of that yet
>>739017312I've got a sillytavern card of her i use with sonnet 4.6 (and the previous versions when they were out).I've got my own headcanon and history with her its great, she's such a cute whore.
>>739017510Kris has a smart phone though
You think that your sins will go unpunished. You are wrong...
>>739017698I punched the moral guardian of the last game in his bony face. I'll do it again.
>>739017698im pretty sure there's a decent amount of anons here who wouldnt mine to BE the deer than mindrape the deeryou're practically threatening them with a good time
>>739014025In a Dark World?
>>739017406This. Glad more people are seeing Kris is the most RAPED character OAT.
>>739017698I wonder what the permanent consequence of doing the weird route will be.
>>739018159breaking the doe's hymen for one
>>739016461Kris is not a bowl.
>character jobs SO hard that it shatters the knight discussion
>>739017406TRUE!!!
>>739018159Probably none. It'll just force reset you until you take the correct route.
>>739017017the only sex worth having with muffet is the sex that creates clutches of little spider babies
>>739018282Undyne is only strong if she gains Determination in Genocide, Undyne the Undying is stronger than Asgore. She's kind of a goofy pushover you fight early on Neutral.
>>739017984if you think about it, BECOMING Noelle is the logical extreme of mindrape anyway. destroy her will so utterly that you literally replace it with your own and assume direct control
I don't wanna be Noelle, that's why I'm not that big on Snowgrave/Weird route. I hate the way Suselle is written in the normal route so much though I'd do just about anything to avoid it.
>>739019207Toby is too gay for a cute childhood friend route
>>739019207Good for you that we aren't going to possess her, then.
>>739016493>>739016789You were assigned motive and agency the moment you agreed to participate in the narrative
>>738994176>I want to become an angel>Kris, I thinkYou think WHAT
>>739018159toby will never reward us for being evilralsei thinks the alternate outcome might be worse, but on the other hand he was the one early on pushing for a nice pacifist ending and he has been repeatedly punched down for thatgaster also doesn't give a shit if you're playing weird route or notit might be a bad ending but nothing different once you reset
>>739019552see >>739016810
>>739017118This
>>739019483That was retcon with Chapter 2's release, THOUGH.
>>739019483what remains to be seen is why the player is even doing any of this. i understand why the real players are doing what they do, but there is a "player" that exists as a character in the game that seemingly has a goal that we don't fully understand yet since the game is incomplete
>>739017070She cute
>>739020223And funny!
>>739019996>GET STRONGER!>THEN I'LL SHOW YOU MY>THEN I'LL SHOW YOU MY>>739020195It will be interesting to see if we learn what the purpose of this is in Chapter 5, or if someone or something calls us out on how we don't even know why we're ruining these kids lives.
>>739020491I meant accepting Gaster's evil ass terms and conditions. That's exclusive for Survey Program
>>739020457Uuuuuuoooohhhhh ToT
>>739020608You agreed to become part of the story by playing the game
>>739020608>end of chapter 7>"THANKS FOR PARTICIPATING IN MY SURVEY. YOU'RE MY GREATEST COLLABORATOR.">"Connection terminated.">credit rolls on a black background>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B6HB9VU7Hopure ludo
>no newsletter>no chapter 5 release date>no general fucking around or ARG>avoiding announcements like the album etc.>this is what he's doing in the meantimeI'm getting Toby Fox fatigue.
>>739020953Shadow drop this month, trust
>>739020735You're also fulfilling the prophecy by your own free will.
>>739020953he was doing the same shit last time when he kept running off to do collabs with any niche nip artist under the sun
>>739020735Jewster...
>>739020953He betrayed the nips for westernslop...
>>739020953>Toby Fox is giving us short catgirls with fat titsKeep up the good work, sir
>>739021112dogshit explanation of compatibilism It's not a middle ground between fate and free will, it redefines free will to work within the confines of fate.
>>739021409Catlovers won.
>>739021851what about... him?
how's been the WAITing so far?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ILBgYDmjg
>>739021975I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!
>>739022021DUDE IT'S BEEN NEARLY EIGHT YEARSI WANT TO GET DONE WITH THIS
>>739021975feels worse than last time the organic theories are kino but have been discussed out, all that remains is learning if they were actually on to something or jumping at shadows toby's radio silence is odd even if we're still a ways away from release, it really does seem like he's not supposed to talk about it until a company does a promotion for deltarune
>>739022157I just miss the patternfagging
EY I'M WAITING OVER HERE
>>739021925Mew Mew is just a ghost so it's a partial win.
>>739021975It's been so bad I already posted most of my WAITing images.
>>739022438I didn't even get to post the gif together with the song this time lol
They way I see it, I set the release date in September, it has to come out by then, it simply wouldn't make sense otherwise. It could come out earlier, but I'm sure that by September it will release, therefore I have an exact date to wait for.
>>739022498what if it doesn't
>>739022532Then it means the development is catastrophically bad to levels we couldn't even imagine and there's no chance we're getting Chapters 6 and 7 before at least 2032
>>739022596You don't already think the development is catastrophically bad?It's been 8 years since the first demo and only 50% of the remaining chapters have been finished.
>>739022596>>739022663reminder that toby said that he'd spend 7 years tops making a gamethis was around when ch1 released in 2018
>>739022482Damn. Everyone is going CRAZY right now.
Asgore and dess had an explicit sexual relationship and dess got pregnant.
Will Toby ever replicate a fraction of this Flowey LUDO?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykw1PhuY-i4
>>739023091I think Toby is wet to introduce or reveal a character who mirrors the player's actions like Flowey does.Maybe Ralsei is that character, but we don't know that yet.
>>739020953yeah this is annoyingespecially since chapter 3+4 (TWO chapters) had updates/ARGs out the ass, and was in the same spot testing-wise last yeari cannot fathom why chapter 5 is taking so long
>>739023091No.
>>739023254toby himself said in iirc the winter newsletter that showing any more than he already had would be entering spoiler territory a good way to build hype close to release, but it becomes irritating 6 months later when we still have nothing
how would noelle react to being called a dumb blond?
That lil human nigga better stop hitting me or I will turn him into Berdly's bottom.
>>739023415Complain about that being a false prejudice in a very nerdy way.
>>739023167Ralsei did mirror faggy fans who only want to do pacifist at one point, but now he is just assuming the role of the helper fairy that understands game mechanics despite being an in-universe character.Maybe Kris? But we don't know what he is really up to so far.Maybe Eram? But he seems more like a Chara equivalent who represents the twisted pleasure in these games.FRIEND? But he is more of an anti-annoying dog so far.Gaster? But he is more like the author of the story.Susie is the one so far with the closest POV to us, since she isn't deep into any conspiracy nor understands much about what is going on. She starts out being violent then softens up, like how UT expects you to be. But she is more strongly mirroring a hero's journey protagonist with all that happened to her so far.
The s
>pretty, secretly dorky prom queen white girlIs that why she's so hot? She's just like Laura Palmer...
>>738997094Not much, it was Paul who really got the whole thing going.
>>739023569
>>739022663Not to the level I'm talking about, no.
>>739023636>white>is clearly purpleis the artist stupid?
>>739023091>Flowey's DEFENSE dropped to 0!It can't be done betterHe'll have to do something else
>>739023742but what else is there to be done?
>>739023781Gaster
>>739023862Gaster has too much fandom baggage to be well received.There are only a few narrow ways to have people like him.
>>739023973>Gaster has too much fandom baggage to be well received.People keep saying this but I still don't believe it. There's healthy skepticism and then there's just nagging pessimism.
>>739023973A character doesn't need to be liked, you don't write characters for them to be liked you write characters because you're giving form to a fictional being by introducing stable properties beyond your control.
>>739023862>>739023973Why does everyone think the guy who was "shattered across time and space" is going to show up exactly as they think of him? He's not one guy anymore, he's a bunch of bits and pieces strewn around the multiverse. The Gaster running the Deltarune experiment is only a piece of him, he's not THE Gaster, because THE Gaster doesn't fucking exist anymore.
>>739023781ANYTHINGTHAT YOU CANIMAGINE
>>739023862Gaster is gay stupid creepypasta dogshit
>>739024015"Fanon Gaster" is a very well defined character by this point with how many things about him are "agreed" by most fans, him looking like the Mystery Man being the most proeminent.People are going to be pissed off if the real Gaster deviates too much from the fanon one. And so far, Toby has shown to not be following fandom expectations too hard except by giving more screen time to the most popular characters here and there.
Are you ready to shit your pants when Susie pulls you into a battle in the Light World and you're suddenly playing Undertale
>>739024242eh I've been imagining this moment for so long I'd just think "fucking finally"
>>739023392he did an arg, 4 years worth of newsletters, and the MOST we could ever piece together from chapter 3+4 is anons recognizing the window egg in-game
>>739023973Gaster is liked, the skeletons being hated is just 4chan contrarianism
>>739024149You might want to find a different game then.
>>739024242I'm going to do absolutely nothing to dodge Susie's attacks so Kris can experience getting beaten to death by her.
>>739024109That's why he's the only one who can surpass him.
>>739024343>Gaster is likedWe don't know the real Gaster yet, that's the problem.
>>739024236>Is that a cut on your face, or part of your eye?>The gash weaves down as if you cry>The pain itself is the reason whyToby made mysteryman, if Gaster ends up looking like that (to whatever extent that we see him at all) it shouldn't be surprising or taken as "Toby's just doing what people expect," he's the one who set those expectationsThe Knight literally has "Gaster hands," it seems like a pretty safe bet at this point
>>739024393If there is a "real Gaster," this is Him
>>739024393We didn't know the real Tenna and he exceeded fan expectations.
>>739024418>he's the one who set those expectations
Lifting kris's binder to play with his petite he/him tits
>>739024353Gaster is irrelevant to deltarune
>>739024503>THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!
>>739024541Gaster is the only thing that actually connects Undertale to Deltarune in any mechanical sense rather than just "they're the same characters".
>>739024512>I took this generic representation of a hand and a knife from the character who explicitly did not have a clear view of the event that she's describing overly literally>therefore the specially made unique sprite in the special room from the special 1/1000 Fun event didn't mean anything
>>739024553Yeah he exceeded those expectations.
>>739024512All this proves is that Toby isn't obligated to do the thing the fandom expects. Were we supposed to think monsters like Susie or Noelle didn't have fucking fingers? Were we supposed to think Queen directly saw the Knight even though she clearly didn't? The complaints here only make sense through the lens of you being personally attached to a theory that was disproven.
your next reply will be "what makes you so sure Toby wants us to think the mysterman door is special?" and I will say "lol"
>>739024236There's no way Gaster doesn't look like mystery man outside of pure doomerfaggotery.
>>739024635Do you think the knight's sword morphing into a bat is also just a generic representation of a bat with no meaning?Do you think Toby didn't knew the inevitable reactions from connecting the Knight to Knife imagery? It's not like he hasn't done this sort of symbolic foreshadowing before either. He does it all the time.
>>739024795The Knight is still connected with Kris and wears a literal black knife.
>>739024795>Do you think Toby didn't knew the inevitable reactions from connecting the Knight to Knife imagery?I think he did, I just think he assumed his fans were smarter than that. Chapter 2 does this in a few places, like with how Spamton sets up chapter 3 by mentioning Mike rather than giving us the name and general description of Tenna right away.
>>739024340i think glaceir might count, but that was just people putting two and two together based on noelle's description rather than actual in game assets the rest of it, at the present time, is just still just schizo nonsense and theory bait
>the anons in this thread
>>739024705>Toby isn't obligated to do the thing the fandom expectsToby is free to release chapter 5 as nothing but a picture of a middle finger.The matter is, he treats it like a pop gaming series with all the merch and hype build-up and such. People expect that sort of franchise to lean into popular expectations.The Knife had been a "Chara tell" for years, as strongly as a bat is a "Dess tell" now. Do you think he didn't knew the exact reaction the Kris Knife cliffhanger from chapter 1 was going to get? All that for a joke immediately after.And again, the whole of chapter 3 is written to let it be possible that Kris was the Knight all along, the last scene with Tenna is set up like a "liar's reveal" where he is about to rat out Kris, only for the Knight to show up.Did you forget the immediate reaction to the chapter 2 cliffhanger was "OMG Kris is the Knight"?
I keep saying that The Knight is also The Angel
>>739024893I'll not repeat myself, but don't you feel the whole game was written like it was trying to lead you to believe that Kris was the Knight up to that point?There are ZERO Dess Knight hints in 1+2 besides "something happened to her" which could fit a million mystery boxes. She was barely mentioned in chapter 1 at all, nothing like Flowey's "I'm the prince of the future of this world" in the Ruins.
>>739025083nta but you're really going out of your way to prove his point that>The complaints here only make sense through the lens of you being personally attached to a theory that was disproven.
>>739025024Nice rack
>>739025083>The Knife had been a "Chara tell" for years, as strongly as a bat is a "Dess tell" now. Do you think he didn't knew the exact reaction the Kris Knife cliffhanger from chapter 1 was going to get?I think he knew very well what the reaction was going to be, because he knew the retarded and wrong assumptions the fandom was chomping at the bit to make.>Chara really did possess us and make us do genocides! Look, it's chara in Deltarune, we're going to do genocides!Do you really think Toby was for a second planning to give these people what they wanted? Of course not.
>>739025083The Knight is connected to Kris and has a literal Black Knife.
>>739024625>Gaster is the only thing that actually connects Undertale to DeltaruneThat's not true (nothing does) and it would be bad if it were true
>>739025214kek of fucking course you're a krisknighter
>>739024625You're talking to the schizo that hates Undertale.
>>739025214>don't you feel the whole game was written like it was trying to lead you to believe that Kris was the Knight up to that point?No, I don't, I thought those people were fucking retarded the whole time. Someone in Card Kingdom really did meet the knight even if King didn't (I thought this back in chapter 1 too), and it's got to be someone we talked to, but nobody recognized Kris. The knight clearly had to be an element of the prophecy or Ralsei would have freaked out at the first mention of them, Ralsei knew exactly who Kris was and it wasn't the knight. QED.I knew he was up to something the player wasn't being allowed to know but I could tell the game was treating that with a different severity than the presence of the knight.
>Kris The Human/The Cage >The Soul The Soul
How many chapters do we really have left? 4?
>>739025447Not him but I thought the Knight didn't meet anyone or soulless Kris was viewed differently from regular Kris and Ralsei was covering for him. I was wrong.
>>739025370Gaster denial in 2026 is a diagnosable mental illness. Frankly, it was pretty stupid even in 2018. the filename of Gaster's Theme from the sound test room in Undertale is mus_st_him.ogg. The wingdings image displayed on deltarune.com in 2015 was named him.png. The very first song in Deltarune's soundtrack, the song that plays while an ominous voice addresses the player directly? "another him"It could not be more blatant unless the mysteryman sprite shows up next chapter.
>>739025237>>739025374My fucking point is that a mystery isn't good when there are more red herring than actual hints.I never "liked" Kris Knight because I thought it was a shit twist to make "what if le main character was also le main antagonist" and I thought it was way too early in the story to make a reveal like that. But I leaned into it being correct because of the embarrassing pile of evidence against Kris, while the best other suspects were>Gaster because he is up to something>Alvin because he is up to something>Mrs. Holiday/Rudy/Asgore because they're trying to get Dess back>Dess because she is missing and of course Toby will just repeat Asriel's story>a completely new unseen character>>739025279>he knew the retarded and wrong assumptions the fandom was chomping at the bit to make.>Do you really think Toby was for a second planning to give these people what they wanted? Of course not.And you admited to what I'm trying to say here: Toby is misleading his fans on purpose as a form of mockery.
>>739024795>Do you think the knight's sword morphing into a bat is also just a generic representation of a bat with no meaning?No, because I have a high school education and am capable of evaluating symbolic imagery in its context.>* Reaching Its Long Hand To The Sky>* It Coursed Its Will Into Its Blade>* And MadeQueen is describing The Knight making the Fountain. The purpose of this dialogue is to explain to the reader how fountains are made, re-introduce the concept of Determination in a new context and establish that "Any [Lightner] Could Make A Dark Fountain." This gives us full context to Queen's goals (wanting Noelle not just to serve her, but to become her "New Knight") before the final battle, and strongly foreshadows the end of the Chapter, as well as giving us a better understanding of The Knight, who they might be, and future developments in the story if ANYONE can make a Dark Fountain.The purpose was NOT to specifically describe The Knight and their "blade" to us. This is information that Queen specifically does not have, she has a recording of the The Knight making the Fountain but their identity is obscured. We are not shown this recording in this scene, we are shown an abstract representation of what Queen is describing throughout the monologue. It is also clearly established that making a Fountain only requires a "blade," and this can be broadly interpreted, with Queen intending for Noelle to use a pin. It didn't need to be a knife, certainly not one that specifically looked like that.The Knight's weapon is not an abstract visual aid that The Knight is offering while it monologues at us, and it being summoned as a baseball bat is inexplicable in its immediate context. It is significant imagery that makes us immediately speculate about its significance, which will quickly lead people to the conclusion that it IS a baseball bat and represents a major clue about The Knight's true identity.
>>738999926
>>739025662It wasn't a red herring. You're just dumb.
>>739025607>I thought the Knight didn't meet anyoneSeam talks about a "strange knight", that's where we got the term "the knight" initially. He also talks about Jevil meeting a "strange someone" before he started to go insane. I'm sorry you were wrong, but the pieces were there to begin with.
>>739025751Well, what can I say at this point?It's a matter of waiting until the art book is released 5+ years in the future to settle this down.
>>739025773Seam talks as if the knight and that person were different people. I just thought the strange someone was Gaster and I still do honestly.
>>739025662>Toby is misleading his fans on purpose as a form of mockery.He only "misled" people who were already under such a severe misunderstanding that their view of the story was worthless. Chara did not mind control you into genocides, we don't need any information outside of Undertale to know this, theories based on it being the case were not to be entertained.
>>739025751Kris Knight was indeed a red herring just like Carol Knight is the current one.
>>739025662>Toby is misleading his fans on purpose as a form of mockery.That's not what he's doing, but I wish he was because you deserve it. You're having a meltdown because your video game theory was wrong and you think the fag who made the game is making fun of you for it. You're not as important as you think you are.
>>739025874No, it was never a red herring. There was no evidence for it other than vibes. Nothing about what we ACTUALLY knew about the Knight, even in just the first chapter, lined up with Kris. You had to be actively ignoring what the game was telling you to come to that conclusion. Carol has the actual makings of a red herring because she's explicitly involved with the shelter and has a black katana in her bedroom.
>Berdly is the key to all this
>>739025285kris has the white knife though
>the same arguments about whether gaster [insert literally anything here]>the same arguments about who the knight is>the same arguments about what the who did to where and how why andToby please release us from this hell.
>>739026094In 3-4 months
>>738997587Nobody here is SERIOUSLY expecting one, despite what they may claim. We're all WAITpilled, even if it hurts.
>>739026094>longest time without a single word from Toby>longest time without a newsletteryep, this fandom is going to implode if he doesn't make a statement about chapter 5 soon
>>739003458egoraptor slop
>>739025083>the whole of chapter 3 is written to let it be possible that Kris was the Knight all alongYes, that's called dramatic tensionChapter 2 ends with the question "Is Kris The Knight?" and Chapter 3 is played with the fact that Kris made the Dark World for some purpose constantly in the back of your mind. In the climax, this gets pushed again only for the REAL Knight to appear and cut the tension by cutting Tenna in half, and the new question going into Chapter 4 becomes "Who is this asshole and what's Kris up to with them?">>739025214>don't you feel the whole game was written like it was trying to lead you to believe that Kris was the Knight up to that point?The evidence that forced you to consider if Kris was The Knight wasn't Queen's powerpoint presentation on dark fountains, it was Kris making a fucking fountain in their living room.It could not be ignored but it was hardly confirmation of anything, the same chapter had just established that ANYONE could make a dark fountain. Plenty of people heavily scrutinized the idea that Kris was The Knight and remained skeptical.>>739025662>Toby is misleading his fans on purpose as a form of mockery.If you were reading a mystery novel and 2/7ths of the way through the story someone gets caught red-handed with the murder weapon, would you think that person is actually going to be the killer?
>>739026232He will not make a statement until he's 100% sure on a release date. Given he doesn't expect the chapter to come out in the first half of 2026, the earliest he could publish a new newsletter/development update would be in June, probably in the latter half of the month, but even that is doubtful.
>>739026015A red herring doesn't need to have iron clad evidence. Kris opening a fountain and doing evil shit while soulless made it into a red herring. Red herring are supposed to makd you initially think it's the case, not have super duper evidence.
>>739026043I still wonder why Jackenstein map has this same knife in it.
A lot of these release date claims rest on the assumption that porting and testing one chapter will take substantially more time than porting and testing two chapters for no discernible reason.
>>739025872>Every time a number increases, that feeling...>That's me.If "Chara made me do it" is the low IQ take, "if course Chara didn't make you do it" is the midwit take.The text very overtly says Chara is supposed to be an allegory for the feeling of grinding in vidya, thus, Chara "made" you do it because it is that feeling that exists inside You and Me.>>739025896>Heh, how'd you mess THAT up?>... Kris? Haha... Kris,>you know that's not right!>Pie! You loved pie, didn't you?>With the family!Chocolate was the first option in the list. Do you REALLY think there wasn't an intention there?>>739026015>she's explicitly involved with the shelter and has a black katana in her bedroom.>Kris already did the "Chara taunt" in chapter 1>Kris plugs the TV between chapters>Kris keeps us from getting information on Asriel for no apparent reason>Kris jumps out of the window and slashes the car tires like a maniac>someone had cut the town's internet cables recently too, how convenient>Kris opens a fountain in front of us for absolutely no apparent reason despite just being told that's a dangerous thingand finally>Kris is already a knight in the dark worldThe Kings/Seam not recognizing Kris was the major roadblock for Kris Knight back then (which is still weird given how King used to be his childhood toy), but do you REALLY think this is a hell of a red herring?
>>739026498The reason is that Toby literally said that he does not think the chapter will release in the first half of 2026. That's the reason. It's not people being overly pessimistic like some people say, no, it's a conclusion based on the words of the author.
>>739026556>If "Chara made me do it" is the low IQ take, "if course Chara didn't make you do it" is the midwit take.And "Kris has been possessed by Chara and is going to go do genocides now" falls much closer to the low than high IQ side of the spectrum. Sorry. You don't get literally possessed by a feeling.
>>739026556>Do you REALLY think there wasn't an intention there?The intention was to finally shine the spotlight on how little Kris is "you". That's the point of all those questions. A blind player is expected to get one or two wrong, then realize the game and wait for cues from Kris to get them right.
>>739011928Not that anon, but are you sure you just didn't get better at games in general? Both games are piss easy and the only challenge in UT for me was undyne the undying fuck them arrows
>>739026660Who's talking about posession?The common debate back then was if Kris was supposed to be the Frisk or the Chara of that universe, simply under a different name. To this day we aren't sure.
>>739026612I'm sorry but this reads like cope. You're absolutely being pessimistic. You read "second half of 2026" and immediately made a baseless, worst-case assumption. I'll give you a conclusion based on the words of the author. One single chapter, which is already content-complete and translated mind you, is not going to take as long as you think it will. It's okay to hope. I know it's not cool here.
>>739026747>wait for cues from Kris>a barely noticeable sprite change on periferal view during a quick timed segmentBut that's a whole other can of worms.
>>739026869If you aren't pushing any buttons he'll literally move the cursor onto the right choice for you. So I'd say there's no cans of worms to open.
Toby's going to make me a cuck in chapter 5...
>>739026795kris is what happens when you charisk without protection
>>739026853Nearly four whole years for the game to double in size and the (good) discussion to die in just a few months.
>>739026747I didn't get any of Kris's clues and got BTFO'D. Toby should've made them more obvious.
>>739021331He already did this with the homosuck pilot
>>739026942Why did the Chapter 2 era have so much more discussion than the current WAIT era?
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>>739026556>Chocolate was the first option in the list. Do you REALLY think there wasn't an intention there?The intention is to play into the dissonance between you and Kris by asking questions that only Kris knows the answer to.The intention is not for Toby Fox to laugh at you and kick you in the nuts and spit in your face because you couldn't answer a question you don't have the answer to.It is incredibly juvenile and embarrassing for you to act like the game making you mildly uncomfortable is some kind of personal attack and humiliation ritual.>do you REALLY think this is a hell of a red herring?Kris seeming to be The Knight was a red herring, and that's fine, because it's normal for mysteries to deliberately introduce false leads.It wasn't a bullshit rug pull with an innocent explanation or no explanation, it served the purpose of foreshadowing Kris's real treachery and cooperation with The Knight.
>>739026853>You read "second half of 2026" and immediately made a baseless, worst-case assumptionYou are imagining things, I did not do this. My personal belief is that, based on what Tovy himself has said, the earliest the new chapter could come out is in July. If you think this is a worst case assumption, then you are completely ignoring the author, whose knowledge of the development of the game is much greater than yours, and replacing it with your own beliefs based on dubious claims and speculation.
>>739026984ch2 ended on a huge cliffhanger, had consistent newsletters, and the sweepstakes to hold people over ch4 ended very calmly compared to the prior chapters, and toby is exceedingly reluctant to show anything about chapter 5, and has outright refused to do so since decemberdiscussion is worse because there is next to nothing left to discuss and we don't have enough theorybait from the chapter itself to use as fuel anymore
>>739027040Fucked up how Chara has an insane ass in the first panel but the rest of the art is just okay and not really sexy
>>739026984>>739027147People forget that the whole first year after Chapter 2 came out was completely dominated by "Mike" nonsenseToby had to put out the Spamton Sweepstakes to basically reset the fandom and give us a ton of other leads on the next few ChaptersIn a world where 2 and 3 came out together Dess would have been an insane curveball
>>739027147Toby usually tries to keep the community alive by giving us bits and pieces but he did the math and was convinced we're better off knowing JACKSHIT about Chapter 5. So my, and I think everyone's expectations for Chapter 5 are very high.
>type "cues" >two separate replies misquote it as "clues"Hm... the people mad about the game "humiliating them" by "forcing them to answer wrong" are also ESL... what could it mean...?
>>739026984Oh let me see...>generally the same gameplay and pacing from chapter 1>straight up aping a ton of plot beats and elements from chapter 1, leading to the rise of patternfagging>also following the "Papyrus Segment" formula which people still love>a CHAOS BOMB of meme characters through Queen, Berdly, and specially Spamton>general wackiness through the roof>A ton of ship baiting everywhere>pleasant conclusion to the dark world and an intriguing cliffhanger that lead to infinite discussion>various mysteries expanded in basic ways (more Gaster connections and such)>Noelle got fleshed out a lot>the return of the genocide route and the rise of doelesting>chapter 3 teasers every few months (and ocasional 4+5 teasers)>Spamton Sweepstakes throwing more fuel on the fire 2 years later>people following the Spade Queen tradition and going crazy trying to predict Tenna and Mike with the hints we had
I'm still completely sure that something in chapter 5 will soft-confirm Suselle and this will ruin all discussion of the chapter in the future.
>>739027041Are you going to pretend chocolate and knives wasn't a huge fandom meme for a decade? And it's something UT itself establishes, not fanon.
>>739027439It won't, and I think you're retarded if when you think of Chapter 5 the only think you can think about is dogshit shipslop. Why don't you wonder deeper, higher? It's just sad.
>>739027439I can't believe Kris' wives are going to kiss while he breeds them. That's crazy. "Wild," as the kids say.
>>739005361Catti
>>739027392I don't feel humiliated by the game at all, and I genuinely read that as clues like a dumbass. I was describing my personal experience.
>>739027364ch5 is the load bearing wall of the game, everything depends on toby sticking the landing it's the 'final' chapter in many respects, 6 and 7 don't matter in the slightest because we know absolutely fuck all about thembut ch5 being the festival is something people have speculated since ch2, and a lot of large character moments are expected to happen here, simply due to how they've been built up to this point i get why toby's nervous about it, but giving people nothing for this long compared to years prior is causing people to get antsy, and possibly more critical of it than they would normally be due to the anticipation and growing expectations
>>739027540Unfortunately the shadow of Suselle has been cast ever since chapter 1, and it has only grown larger with each new release. At this point, it covers everything, and the only conclusion I can reach is that it is simply inevitable.
>>739027439I can't fucking wait for the discussing to be obliterated by people crying over what has been obvious since chapter 2.And that anon thinks the Mike discussion was annoying. Ha ha ha.
>>739027212I don't think it's actually supposed to be sexy, it's a shitpost.
>>739027540>>739027675Actually, I lie, there is a ray of hope that breaks through the shadow, that is the Weird Route. It is something that will end tragically, but it's also the only way to stop Suselle, and because of that, it is the brightest and most hopeful part of Deltarune.
>>739027439If you aren't already ready for it you aren't a true Deltahead.
>>739027640Eh, I think he is trying to avoid another case of "Gangster Tenna" type expectations from people who took the hints too literally.Remember how he shared the "What's the opposite of 'I miss Tenna'" quote from his friend, then immediately backed it down by saying "this doesn't really mean anything"? He is walking on eggshells because chapter 5 is probably even more unpredictable than the last ones.
>>739027640Yeah I absolutely agree with you, I think Toby will ultimately deliver and since he DID want to bundle 3+4+5 together I imagine Chapter 5 will be the last Chapter before a complete change of pace from the rest of the game. I think everyone agrees the Roaring will likely happen in Chapter 5, problem is that this leaves open 2 entire chapter dedicated entirely to the bunker, which I think is unrealistically.
>NO MAN its IMPOSSIBLE for me to pinpoint a release date>i dont CARE if chapter 5 is on the same pace as the double chapters (meaning playtesting should be shorter)>it's just not POSSIBLE to... because... uh... it just isn't, okay????>teasers? uhhhh *dead silence for 3 months*
>>739027934I think the main issue here is that we have underestimated the duration of the testing period. For reasons that are unknown to us, Chapter 5's testing period is unusually long for a single chapter.
>>739027934I think we should blame the latinx for this.
>>739027934Prease understandu, he needs literally hundreds of playtesters for like 2-3 hours of gameplay
>>739005361wild to me that there are still people in current year post smile ARG that says the cast are middle schoolers when that wasn't the case since chapter fucking 1then again should have expected from UT fans since they can't read
>>739028016>chapter 5 is longer than two chapters combinedhe already said chapter 2 is the longest chapter
>>739027934We're talking about the dev who dicked around looking for a new engine for an entire year only to go back to the one he was already using.
>>739028119He already said he isn't sure of that anymore.
>>739027525>Are you going to pretend chocolate and knives wasn't a huge fandom meme for a decade?I'm not doing that at all, so I don't know why you're making this defensive accusation. You're not understanding what's being explained to you.Tenna asks you questions that Kris knows but you don't know. You can guess about Kris's favorite food but you'll probably be wrong, and the later question about Asriel is something you couldn't possibly know at all.These are unfair questions. You are expected to get them wrong. When you get them wrong, you are expected to feel uncomfortably reminded of the fact that you are not Kris. Look up what the word "dissonance" means, it seems like you didn't understand it the first time. The uncomfortable friction between you and Kris is a major recurring theme of Deltarune and of Chapter 3 in particular, and the purpose of these unfair questions is to make you feel that way by playing on your expectations and exploiting your lack of knowledge of Kris's life.The purpose is not for Toby Fox to laugh at you for being stupid dumb idiot who doesn't know details about his story that he hasn't told you yet. It is completely ridiculous to accuse the game of "mocking" you and get genuinely upset about being set up to take a minor penalty for the sake of storytelling.
>>739028119I did not say that.
>>739027845Oh my gosh who the fuck cares nigger I don't give a fuck discuss how the game is the smartest piece of media since Oedipus Rex to bring the idea of fate and free will be two co-equal, co-existent facets of reality is so much more interesting than discussing which teenager you wanna see kiss each other
>>739027934>kike
>>739027874Yeah I think this is it. Toby has seen what the fandom does when he tries to give previews of stuff that isn't super consequential to the overall direction of the chapter: They construct an image of the chapter based entirely on those hints and get really mad about its inaccuracies.
>>739028192Kris will answer those questions for you if you let him.Not reading the rest.
>>739028195Of course you didn't. I said it.
>>739028192Not him but while I understand what you're saying I also did get a bit frustrated at the fact that you get penalized for failing at something you realistically had very low chances of getting right. It's probably just autism, but I can't help it, I know it's not meant to be mocking me, but it feels like it is mocking me anyway.
>>739028352>Kris will answer those questions for you if you let him.So what are you getting mad at?What is the argument you're trying to make here? What's your point?
>>739028192>>739028402Me too. That's the entire reason I couldn't get S ranks in my first try.
>>739028241I care, I cannot not care, it is impossible for me. It seems that Deltarune means different things for us, I don't think we will reach an agreement, so we should stop discussing it, which is what I'm going to do now.
>>739028503The point is you are gay and the argument is years old and rotten.Conclusion: you are homosexual mold.My logic: flawless.
>>739028603>I'm a uhh braindead retard and I only care about something if it turns into a game of red vs blue lolpeople like you are the reason the DT fandom is filled with niggertards
>>739028192And you're not getting what I'm saying.We had 7 whole years of fans attributing Chara's characteristics to Kris. We have in-game evidence for the chocolate preference (your very own screenshot for example, and also the Choco Diamond's healing numbers).There was also at least two instances of the game mentioning the Green Dinosaur in relation to Asriel prior to that point, it isn't "information you didn't know".You have the favorite food question place Chocolate at the very top.Then chapter 3 punishes you from paying attention from all that text, in a way that potentially blocks you from accessing the extra content in the S rank room, forcing you to restart that goddamn drag of a section.You think he didn't knew what he was doing here?>The uncomfortable friction between you and Kris is a major recurring theme of DeltaruneAh yes, of course you know. It's the Mr. "eat shit faggots"'s doing the "making the player feel cheated out, and I like that" doing his bit again.
>>739028806I got those questions wrong and still S-ranked everything first try.It appears that complete shitters like yourself are a little too comfortable crying in these threads.
>>739028241Oh my god who the fuck cares you retard, go read an actual literary book if you want that load of boring bullshit, these games used to be some of the most fucking funny things ever when the creator isn't shoving his head up his ass and singing beethoven
>>739029062All stories have something to tell, Undertale and Deltarune are interesting exactly because of its incredibly deep cut themes about metanerrative, agency, free will, fate, mercy, religion. These games wouldn't be what they are if they were just crude compilations of baiting the most crude, lowly audience to clap their feet and distract themselves to.Nigger.
>>739028930All I had to do to get to Jevil was getting the keys at my pace and not going to King's place. Spamton was a little bit worse because you have to spare him to start the quest and you can save in the middle of Queen's battle, but it wasn't terrible.MANTLE was a load of bullshit in every way possible.At the very least Gerson walked back a bit on the bullshit.
>>739029261Don't you have a 10 hours long video essay about Capitalism in Harry Potter to watch?
>>739029357Don't you have some dogshit fanfic to read?
>>739029394This isn't the fangame thread, THOUGH.
>>739029394I'm giving a break on these games before I play UTY again. You know, something I actually had a fun time playing after Chapter 2.
>>739029510I thought UTY was pretty boring and uninspired, honestly.
>>739029574dawww :)
>>739029574>HURR DURR WHAT IF MADE THE CHARACTERS SAY A BUNCH OF SHIT THEY WOULDNT FUCKING SAY OR DO!!!This type of self-projecting art is vomit inducing
>>739029552To this day I'm still mindbroken over how despite all it's problems, UTY was a far more enjoyable time to me than 3+4 was.God dammit, I could feel my heart sink when I saw that MANTLE had a second fucking dungeon to go through.
>>739029652mantle was flippin kino tho
>>739029636You fell for the bait again
>>739029276>i am a complete shitter and that is toby's faultFeels so good knowing I am naturally better than you. Look at you, crying because the game expected you to be good at it. Crying to me, who got the Shadow Mantle on my very first playthrough with no prior knowledge.You probably needed the Knight to be nerfed just to get the crystal, didn't you? Typical /v/ anon, shit at games and always ready to make it everyone else's problem.Either entertain me with more sob stories of your failures or kill yourself.
>>739029684a complete piece of shit that doesn't belong in this point of the game
>>739026016Let the people know.
>>739029552It's extremely overrated.
>>739029574The characters would say and do all these things.
>>739029652UTY despite having a terrible story, manages to emulate Undertale's gameplay to a satisfactory manner, unlike Deltarune's schizophrenic ass gameplay which changes gears every chapter
>>739029772I grinded into victory the pre-nerf Knight, as unfun as that was, retard.7 whole years and not a single super boss to surpass Jevil mechanically. And I already know Chapter 5 will probably not do it either.
>>739030041>a terrible storyThe UTY pacifist ending is terribly thought out for sure, but overall the story appealed more to me than even UT, but not as much as Chapter 1.I have a wild guess that the lack of an actual metanarrative is a big reason why.
>>739030138It's just so shallow in themes and things to say.
>>739030206>themes and things to say.I wanna shove a blue curtain inside the asshole of every and each of your kind that has ruined pop entertainment for the past 30 years.
>>739030054>i-i beat the knight *sob* w-without the nerf!No, you definitely needed the nerf to win. You're already established as a shitter, you're just trying to save face now that someone is seeing you as you truly are.>and i...i-i'm already planning on crying more when chapter 5 filters me!That, I believe.
>>739030283All media has themes. Even the stuff you like.
>>739030440Yet you just called UTY "shallow".
>>739030138Yellow's story is improved by not having a metanarrative so it can't fail on that department.
>>739030398>No, you definitely needed the nerf to win.I have never been particularly good, but I do the grind to win. The only thing I got nerfed in my game was the rosebud because I couldn't play right away.
>>739030525>improved by not having a metanarrativeimagine being such a goy slave dumb nigger lmfao
>>739030612It's "improved" because Yellow writing sucks and they would have made it awful. The point isn't that metanarratives suck, it's that you need to know what you're doing and this project made by teenage devs who couldn't write a normal story to begin with wasn't the case
>>739030612says the anon enslaved by academic snobbery and elitism
>>739030701That's exactly my problem with UTY, it borrows ALL of Undertale's look without actually understanding what made Undertale so special at all. Andrew Cunningham has a really good video about what made Undertale so special, and it's exactly the metanarrative that I've been talking about.
>>739030710Academia is also retard, I'm just telling you how it is anon, stories are interesting because of the themes, conflicts, and what springs forth from that.
>>739030780Undertale was popular largely because of people misunderstanding Toriel and Sans and memeing them both into oblivion.The metanarrative was only popular with video essayist types.
>>739030857I said what made Undertale special, not popular. Anything can get popular, look how actual dogshit like TADC and capeshit and CoD is always the most sold out most popular thing normies talk about before moving on to the next thing.
>>739030851Most people enjoy stories because of the aesthetics and the viceral feelings they give, anon. Only beret-wearing academics and video essayist types care about "le themes".
>>739030486I didn't call UTY anything. I told you off for dragging out the "curtains were just blue" argument. That retarded mindset has actively contributed to a literacy crisis, I don't care if you think themes are "boring", all works have them and works that consider them less tend to be worse.
>>739030941Oh, so you mean the same thing that made games like OFF and Moon "special" and also completely niche?>dogshit like TADCDid you actually watch the whole show? It's closer to Undertale than you may think.
>>739030960You can only enjoy the aesthetics because they're grounded to a theme. Why do we love Flowey? Because Flowey ties in to the whole metanarrative of Undertale. Why do we love Susie? Because her character is tied to the defiance of fate and the hope for a better future. If you just showed me a picture of Flowey and I had no fucking clue who he is or what he does or what it means I would forget about him in a week.Please, please for the love of all that is Holy, think deeper about what you watch and what you read and what you play, there's so many more layers to fiction.
>check thread watcher >16 new replies>open thread>there's nothing>remember I hide all retarded bait postsI call it "winning at 4chan"
>>739031012TADC like UTY borrows shit from UNDERTALE without actually UNDERSTANDING why it's intelligent, anyone can fucking do metanarrative if they just learned what the fucking word means, TADC is such a shallow, retarded exploration of characters and conflicts. Gooseworx is a garbage-tier writer who can only think of "hype scenes" and then loosely connected them with poorly thought out action sequences that don't mean fucking jackshit to the overall story.Your job as a writer is to be wise and to understand your characters like no one else, and Gooseworx does none of that, nigger just does shit he thinks looks cool without actually understanding what he is doing.
>>739030996>I didn't call UTY anything>>739030138>UTY >>739030206>It's just so shallow in themes and things to say.Did you misquote me there? Because I'm pretty sure you're calling UTY shallow there.>That retarded mindset has actively contributed to a literacy crisisI was strapped to a chair and forced to care about "classic literature" by the schooling system, all it taught to me was to be extremely spiteful about it.
>>739031129I am not the two posts you quoted.I jumped in when I saw a retard drag out the "blue curtains" argument because I think it's retarded.Does that clear it up for you, retard?
>>739031129classic literature is the most incredible, most fascinating piece of fiction you can learn about. Go watch a play of Oedipus Rex and go read about Aristotle and Plato and Sophocles, there's a reason professors glaze them so much, they were the smartest people to live.
>>739031030>Why do we love Flowey?Because he is a backstabbing maniacal piece of shit and I love villains like that.>Why do we love Susie?I absolutely hate what she turned into and I can't wait to beat her and Ralsei into a pulp in the weird route, and foreshadowed by MANTLE, as hard as it will probably be.
>>739031120I only cared about TADC because of the aesthetic and mysteryfagging fandom experience which is why I think it's gonna be quickly forgotten once it's over. None of those characters are as interesting as people make them sound like they are
>>739031181A few years ago I tried giving a chance to a classic book people were talking about, I couldn't get over a page without being bored into hell with it.
>>739004665>hideous sparkledog trannies and gurodisgust.png
>>739031471Listen to an audio retelling as long as it's accurate to the story
>>739031503Where was the guro? I only saw the other two.
>>739031471So you have no taste and no attention span, and you're proud of it. Congratulations. Why do you have to make it our problem?
>>739031510It's not about reading, it's about the content of the story.>>739031543>Why do you have to make it our problem?Because you pretentious pieces of shit weren't satisfied with making school a terrible experience and had to put your rotten fingers into pop entertainment I like.
>>739008164https://youtube.com/watch?v=PxuUkYiaUc8&si=CyeQdJC7GNtuHuFj
>>739031649If school was a terrible experience for you and you think the problem was the tastes of the people trying to teach you, you're simply retarded beyond reckoning. Sorry if I'm the first one to inform you. Once again, all media has themes, people who unironically think themes as a whole are pretentious have never and will never make even decent media of any kind.
>>739031253Yes but why is Flowey is a backstabbing maniac? What does that tell us about objective concepts like justice, reality, free will, mercy? Despite what the modern, nominalist education system would like you to believe. Abstract concepts are, in fact, universals. "Redness", "Truth", "Power", "Justicy", "Fate", "π", these aren't just linguistically convenient words to tie in a multitude of individual objects but REAL, universally true abstracts. Myth earns its merit by what it tells you about concepts, the weight of Lord of the Rings only exist because it's such an incredible exploration on friendship, heroism, sacrifice, evil, mercy, providence. Aragorn wouldn't be such a fascinating character if he wasn't a commentary on a Hero accepting his fate, Frodo wouldn't be so incredible if he wasn't also a Hero that accepts his fate and accepts his loss of innocence through his journey. And Undertale is a myth that TRULY ears its merit because its characters' traits and the conflicts presented are also explorations in these abstract concepts, Flowey is a backstabbing MANIAC exactly because those are his character traits that reflect the quality of a void, of hatred, of boredom, which are all real, universal concepts. Inversely, characters that only have aesthetics and shallow traits that are forced to advance whatever scenario the storyteller has thought up are fated to be forgotten and uninteresting. Which is why nobody gives a rat's ass if Gooseworx writers another scene where Pomni acts out-of-character, but if Peter Jackson puts out an incredible adaption of The Lord of the Rings, well that's an ATROCITY because Aragorn's coat was the wrong color.Do you understand what I'm saying?
>>739011102There's plenty of Susiefagging still, but doefagging is the big meme because of the incident. It also has two representatives, Noelle & Dess, whereas Susiefagging has only Susie.
>>739031898>Aragorn wouldn't be such a fascinating character if he wasn't a commentary on a Hero accepting his fateDid you read the books? I didn't, but I'm asking you.
>>739031471I'm the anon you were replying to and I implore you, please, pleas give the classics another chance, they're so incredible, they have so much to say. There's so much NOISE these days of multi-season bullshit that says so little in fucking 20 hours and you have these incredible, amazing plays like Hamlet, Oedipus Rex, Macbeth that say SO MUCH more in 120 minutes than this bullshit people consume these days
>>738994176Aww I came late. Threads over.
>>739032091I did, I have the trilogy on my bookcase. I shouldn't have used the word "commentary", because it's NOT a commentary, these are merely natural traits and flaws and wounds and desires and fears a storyteller gives a character and the job of that storyteller is to merely make him collide with the properties of another character so that conflict may arise, that conflict is how they act in conflict is what truly TELLS you things, it's where you're really HOOKED.
>>739031264>I think it's gonna be quickly forgotten once it's overExactly my point! If you wanna learn what's LEGIT myth just look for what has been out for decades, centuries, MILLENNIA and if they're still discussed to this day, that's where KINO resides.
>>739032187Well, I'm shocked because from what I could grasp from LoTR discourse, the hardcore fans hate PJ for how much he changes things like Aragorn's character, mostly by how he feels about being a King.
>>739032117I'll never ever give it another chance. I want my teachers to go to hell for my time they wasted.
>>739031264Nothing ever stays in the spotlight forever but TaDC will drag its fandom for quite a few years. Even Murder Drones still gets threads on /co/ to this day.
>>739032342You are childish and proud of it.
>>739032385Well, you're God Damn Right! But don't blame me.I'm not gonna subject myself to things I hate simply for social status.
>>739032305I like both the original trilogy by Tolkien and the adaption by Peter Jackson, I think Aragorn's in the films are still perfectly fine, book Aragorn being a lot more confident than movie Aragorn where he struggles to accept his fate gives an arc that's a lot more interesting to watch on film. That does, indeed, undermine the original message of Aragorn but not to the extent of truly ruining it like Gaston in the live action remake, for example.But I digress, my point is: Characters are only truly interesting because they both feel like real people and their conflicts and traits reflect objective shit like morality, etc, I'm not gonna repeat myself I think you get what I'm saying at this point you aint dumb
>>739032448It's not for social status dude it's to enrich yourself and understand what your own culture is even about
>>739032342>>739032448I'm the anon you were replying to I don't know who the other nigger is but look I understand hating what you went through, I fucking dread math and physics and chemistry because I sucked at it and I felt like a retard for not getting it. You don't HAVE to do it, but if you're here I imagine you DO like to discuss media, so why not try to give a chance to the myths that started it all? please!!!
>>739024343Everybody everywhere loves papyrus. Sans was the funny meme skellington until the drunken toriel incident, and everyone turned on him in unison. Gaster has always been the magnet for retards that can't distinguish between a filler reference and actual lore.And it's been more or less the same across all platforms, as far as I've seen.
>>739032520This. You start to see the world in such a deeper, more joyful light when you learn about the foundations and the metaphysics of everything
>>739032520"Enrich" myself by subjecting myself to things I"ve hated my entire life?>understand what your own culture is even aboutI hate almost everyone around me and I wish I was never born in this shit hole. Absolutely horrible people.
>>739032647I'm assuming you're from a Western culture (North America, Europe)
>>739031471>I couldn't get over a pageI've dropped "classic" books for being boring and dense but you've got to have more dignity than that. ONE page?
>>739032571>I understand hating what you went throughWe are literal opposites. I loved math and science but despised english, art and literature. We will never understand how the other thinks and feels about the world.
>>739032701Well, I do speak an european language, have light skin and live in the western hemisphere, kek. It's not spanish by the way.>>739032736I'm a rat. I love 1980's and 2000's Hollywood movies.
>>739032739Oh, so you are a STEMfag. You ever wonder why we develop different interiorities? I fucking despised STEM and was really bad at it but I always aced my English, art, literature, history, and geography exams. It's just kinda odd innit
>>739032647Once you take a deep breath out of your trauma-induced rage, you should try things again without the preconceived notion you'll hate them.
>>739032817>sopa de macaconot true western culture, sorry. You'll experience TRVE EVROPA if you tourist places like Rome, Athens, Madrid, Budapest, St. Petersburg.
>>739032930I bet the random little german towns we have here are more well kept than the actual ones.>>739032859>You ever wonder why we develop different interiorities?I wish I knew. I do like art but not in the "blue curtains" way. I like thinking about how renaissance artists used their math and physics knowledge to make their paintings better, or color theory, chords, the 3 act structure, the hero's journey, how Hollywood comes up with working formulas and why they fall out of favor with time. Autistically keeping track of lore in a fan wiki and such.
>>739033214>he's just autisticok that makes more sense
>>739033359Nah I don't think I really fit with actual autism, my experience is too different to what others told me.I suspect I might have something in the "schizo" group, or maybe just plain attention disorder.
>>739018227Kris is not a coat!
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