>>738995636
>Poochy
>Mipha
>Medusa
A lot of "what the fuck" choices and omissions

kids don't give a fuck about xenoblade and the next smash will be for kids, not nostalgia-laden never-satisfied adults

>>738995636
>More characters from franchises in already represented in Smash
>Most of the cancer from Ultimate stays
>Fortnite
>Undertale
Here's your (You)

>>738996370
Why shouldn’t Fortnite and Undertale be in smash?

>>738995636
>22 third parties
Smash fans are going to be mind broke when they just cut them like they did to the Nintendo characters in Mario Kart

All rosterfags are drooling spergs

>>738995636
>keeping banjo
>adding sora
it's shit my man

>>738997538 (Me)
>>adding sora
i meant geno. fuck. sora's already wasting a slot in smash as is, at least he's not in this one

This roster is ass

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>>738995636
>Tards always getting rid of my boy
I don't care how much you hate fighting him. He's had games since the NES.

>>738997843
He hasn’t had a game in years and is an old-ass NES character, no point keeping him when you could expand the roster to modern Switch-era reps as well as games that got Switch-era ports and remasters
And for that matter, Ice Climbers and Duck Hunt really shouldn’t still be in the roster

>>738997914
>Sticks Golden Nothingburger and Castlegaysex on the roster when neither series has gotten a game in years and are even less relevant than one of Nintendo's own classic titles
kys 6th gen bab

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>>738995636
Where's Ayumi?
Sakurai has to put her in the game before he dies.

>>738995636
No doomguy?

>>738998626
if he does, he get my eternal respect

>>738995636
Where's the Fire Emblem characters?

Cut every 3rd party character except for Sonic

>>738995636
It's aight I guess

>>738995636
Complete dog shit.

>>738997843
Pick your poison Little Mac fag
>Complete rework because his current design is fucking retarded
or
>Banished from the game

>>738995636
Looks fin-
>Gay puppet
Trash, try again

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>>738999262
smashfags when nintendo adds popular third party characters instead of the nes wrestler

Guys let's all settle down and make our own rosters, how about that

>>739000586
But I'm the guy called /v/ and I want to insult your taste.

>>738995636
Rosterfags are mentally ill.

>>739000418
Which one? Star Man? He would be a cool inclusion.

>>739000383
Nah, he's fine. Just buff a few of his overly shit aspects and lessen the number of frames of armor on his smash attack. Replacing his gimmick with something more akin to star punch where you earn your win condition through offense rather than losing would be nice too. The real travesties of design are the dlc characters that have everything little mac has and more bullshit shoveled on top of that to boot.

>>738995905
kids didnt give a fuck about earthbound either but here we are

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Cutting the roster down in hopes that it gives the devs time to fix their fucking game:
Down from 89 characters to 45
>Mario
>Luigi
>Bowser
>Peach
>Yoshi
>Link
>Zelda
>Ganondorf (reworked)
>Pikachu
>Greninja
>Jigglypuff
>DK
>K. Rool
>Kirby
>Dedede
>Samus
>Ridley
>Fox
>Wolf
>Marth
>Robin
>Ness
>Captain Falcon
>Olimar
>Villager
>Pit
>Mr. Game and Watch
>Pyra and Mythra
>Sonic
>Mega Man
>Pacman
>Mii Fighters
Newcomers
>Ogrepon
>Tingle
>Edelgard
>Masked Man (Mother)
>Black Shadow (Melee Ganondorf function)
>Isaac
>Donbe and Hikari
>Ayumi
>Nightmare (Soulcalibur)
>Chun-Li
>Black Mage
>Bomberman
>Reimu

>>738998626
>>739001575
>>738999139
>Ayumi
Okay, I'll bite: what would her moveset look like?

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>>738995636
i would remove daisy and dark samus from the game.

>>739002274
she can use the naginata
can make enemies sleep with coffee
or something like that lmao
if Phoenix Wright was on UMVC3, she can be on Smash bros

>>739002575
Not Dark Samus, you could easily give her a more distinct moveset from Samus

>>738995636
10/10 because master chief

>>739002274
>>739003123
I desperately want a VN rep for Smash and Ayumi would be the worst possible outcome because of just how not-iconic she is compared to many other VN characters, if a VN character were to get into Smash i’d gladly take even shit like Monokuma instead

>Frisk
>Geno
>Hat Goomba
>Ashley
>Phoenix Wright
>Jones
Retard alert!

>>738995636
>cut Bowser Jr for no reason
I don't understand why people do this. He still appears regularly in the games and even got a fucking movie with him as one of the main antagonists.
>keep Diddy Kong
His attendance has already been poor in recent Mario games, I don't know why he would stay in a crossover.
>Geno
Seek help.
>keeping Ike instead of Byleth
3 Houses was the best selling game in the series.
>Alear/Sprigatito
Outdated meme picks. Next Smash will have a Fortune's Weave and Wind/Waves rep.
>4th Kid Icarus character
How about it gets a new game first? I wouldn't be surprised if it got cut down to just Pit again or Pit himself gets cut too.
>Cut Charizard/Lucario
Charizard is the 2nd most shilled mon after Pikachu and Lucario isn't that far behind. You're high if you think they won't be returning.
>Jigglypuff/Captain Falcon/Ness
There is no official rule that "original 12" means anything. Jigglypuff especially is probably the least likely Pokemon rep to return other than Pichu.
>GIRL
who even is this
>Cut Pyra/Mythra
Switch 1 got the entire Xenoblade series on it, not happening. If anything, it's getting a new rep next game.
>no 2nd Pikmin rep
Same as above.
>G&W, Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers
All getting demoted to assist trophies along with Captain Falcon/Ness. Jigglypuff will be a pokeball summon.
>Issac
Golden Sun is dead.
>Tetris
Works better as a stage/assist trophy than a playable character.

Noticeable lack of Ring Fit as well.

>>739004190
sorry bro, but Nintendo own character have priority, just like how the Inklings are the shooters rep

>>738995636
Hot take: Get rid of echo fighters and just go back to different colored costumes being references to those characters.

So much dev time wasted on modeling the same moveset, and for what? It's dumb.

>>738995636
>no terry or snake

Boo

Reddits obsession with Impa is the weirdest shit. She is a terciary character at best, why would they add her?
She appears in most games, but still weird.

>>739006571
Because shes one of the very few consistently recurring characters in the series. And due to the nature of Zelda, some people would prefer they choose characters who represent the whole series. She's also a fighter in about half of her appearances, which helps.

>>739006571
is pattern faggotry, is considered a "safe" pick, they care more about being right than about her.
Is mostly filler for their shitty rosters.

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>>738995636
>>738999262
>Wanting another Smash bros with more Sonic reps than Mega Man reps
You are the cancer of the Super Smash bros community. Let me guess, you were born after 1999?

>>738995636
I'm tired. I don't care about rosterfagging anymore.

>>739006738
what megaman character you want

Considering making my own roster concept but I deadass don't know how many characters should even be on it

>>738995636
Why Mipha specifically?

>>739006820
Although adding more Mega Men or having Mario, Luigi, and Peach fighting Mega Man, Proto Man, and Roll would be nice, if I had to narrow it down to a single Mega Man newcomer, it would be Zero. Mega Man represents the Mega Man protagonists (X, Volnutt, MegaMan EXE, and Starforce Mega Man), so Zero can represent the Zero protagonists (Zero (Z) and Aile Model ZX).

>>739007254
A similar question to retroactively apply is “why Min Min specifically?”

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i hope he's in bros
i'd also settle for the new halo remake on switch 2

>>739007574
Not OP, but Min Min is ugly, doesn't speak English, and couldn't wait until after we got both the real protagonist nor female lead. Mipha is hot, speaks English, and has waited until after we got both the real protagonist and female lead. They're not the same.
>>739007718
Since Sakurai waisted character slots on not one but TWO microsoft penis reps, they might as well add the microsoft rep. But if master chief joins, I hope we get a sony rep too. What Sony lacks in games, they make up for in seniority. I'm willing to settle on Crash, Spyro, Kratos, or even Alloy since they have all been on a Nintendo system (if you count fortnite for the latter two).

>>739007574
>“why Min Min specifically?”
Because the producer of ARMS likes her the most. That's explained in her own debut video.

>>738995636
Not a fan. Lucario dropped for Meowscarada? Roy for Alear? Falco dropped just like that? Impa and Mipha just because?

>>739008289
Still not a good reason to put her in over the real protagonist. It's if like Toriyama put Piccolo in a crossover fighting game instead of Goku. Okay, not a good example since Goku is the Mario of anime, but I'm not in the mood to think of another example of an authors pet that isn't a protagonist.

>>739008741
>Still not a good reason to put her in over the real protagonist.
Regardless, it was a decision made by the guy behind the series itself. Are you really going to tell your guest that they're wrong?

>>738995636
As much as I like Mipha, Midna makes more sense. I'd also rather Maria or Shanoa over Alucard. Tetris is a meme pick. Also sick of Waddle Dee when there are so many more interesting Kirby picks.
>>738996859
>fortnite
Crossing over with a crossover is weird and does anyone actually give a damn about the Jonesy character?

>>739006738
Okay, Dr. Eggman and Dr. Wily both make it in. Deal?

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>>738995636
>nigger Octoling

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>>739007408
not him but i would love wily riding a mech. Bass could also be nice with his megaman and bass weapons.

>>738995905
>kids don't give a fuck about xenoblade
Xenoblade is a zoomer franchise, retard.

>>739009168
>Are you really going to tell your guest that they're wrong?
Yes. I'm just being objective. You wouldn't settle on a Nickelodeon crossover that has Box Ghost instead of Danny Phantom. Keep Min Min if you want, but at the verry least let Springman be a fighter too.
>>739004386
Nta, but imo Smash should have had 1 villain per franchise except anti-heroes (like Wario and Meta Knight) and Waluigi. Who identifies with a villain? Name one biological female that mains Wendy.
>>739009470
No deal. Sonic already has a Smash bros without Mega Man and an ENTIRE CROSSOVER GAME SERIES with Mario. I want a Smash bros with more Mega Man reps than Sonic reps, or a Smash bros with Mega Man and no Sonic at all.

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post your never evers. i'll start

>>739009553
>Bass
My man! To me, the 10 most important Mega Man reps are the protagonists of the 7 mainline series, Proto Man, Bass (or at least a Bass like Bass EXE), and Roll (or at least a Roll like Caskett). Besides, Mega Man could use a villain, and Bass is an anti-hero which is close enough.

>>739006571
They just want to plump out the Zelda roster.
Zelda needs reworking more than new characters.
Young Link should take more inspiration from Hyrule Warriors, or maybe have his moveset be centered around the masks from Majora's Mask, final smash needs to be Fierce Diety at least.
I'm sure more could be done with Toon Link besides being a straight clone.
What even needs to be said about Ganondorf. Needs the OOT float at least. I guess next Smash he'll just be like his samurai interpretation from TOTK but some Hyrule Warriors stuff wouldn't be too bad either.

>>738995636
I rate it autism out of 10

I'm 100% for Ashley. I'm surprised you didn't put in Waluigi. I can just hear the announcer calling out next to Ness.
>NESS!
>GIRL!

>>738997914
Duck Hunt is practically as iconic as Mario, but for different reasons.

>>738998626
Wright is the superior pick

>>739010616
G&W and R.O.B. are a married couple and Duck Hunt is their pet dog

>>739010385
>Zelda needs reworking more than new characters.
Why not both? I'm 100% on board with Fierce Deity being Links Final Smash, but what if he can use the other main transformation masks for his specials? They don't have to be perpetual, they could be like Kazuyas specials where he temporarily transforms. Flower Flight replaces his up special, Powder Keg replaces his down special, and Double Cutters replaces his side special. That way, we get new Zelda reps (Deku Butlers son, Darmani, and Mikau) without getting new Zelda reps.

>>738998626
Why does it have to be Sakurai?

>>739004190
>I desperately want a Racing game rep for Smash and C.Falcon would be the worst possible outcome because of just how not-iconic he is compared to many other Racing game characters, if a Racing game character were to get into Smash i’d gladly take even shit like Excitebiker instead

>>739009320
Yes Fortnite is the most played game of the last decade. The target audience of smash grew up playing Fortnite and Jones is the main character

>>738995636
>Poochy
>Geno
>Mipha
>Bandana Dee
>MEDUSA
>GIRL
What the fuck is this bullshit no one cares about these shitters.

>>739007574
She "won" ARMS in either an online tournament or some kind of character contest and the creator asked for her specifically.

>>739009986
Springman is already an Assist.

>>738995636
Meowscarada missed the bus, it's now stopped at Gen 10 for them to get a rep (thank god)

>>739011750
Darn. I should have played ARMS. Either way, it was inexcusable and I think Sakura was just too stuborn to give hope to assist trophies.
>>739011878
So were Little Mac, Isabelle, and Dark Samus, what's your point?

>>739011946
>Skip Gen 8 and 9 and goes straight to 10
I don't mind that too much. They should've put Decidueye in instead of the furrybait character imo.

>>739012010
>So were Little Mac, Isabelle, and Dark Samus, what's your point?
Those are characters people ACTUALLY wanted though. No one cares about Arms and even less about Springman.

>>739012019
>Spoiler
Funny because I think that furry bait is getting cut for the next Smash

This thread makes me scared that unrealistic expectations for an insane number of third party characters are being set for the next Smash and any new first party Nintendo characters will be hated especially when they’re from the Fire Emblem or Xenoblade series…

>>739011946
Not OP, but I still think Alier should be the next and final Fire Emblem rep. He can summon fe protagonists that didn't make the cut so we never have to have another fire emblem rep in smash ever again.
>>739012087
>No one cares about Arms and even less about Springman.
That's where you're wrong, faggot. I used to not want Inkling in Smash because she was too new, but I mellowed out after Simon joined Smash. If Nintendo has to waste character slots on characters from new IPs, at least put in the mascot or protagonist
>>739012337
Rest assured. As long as Sakurai or whoever is in charge won't put in Waluigi or another Starfox newcomer, there will always be someone who still wants Nintendo newcomers.

>>739012010
They weren't upgraded in the same game they're assists in.

>>739012593
>Waluigi or another Starfox newcomer
Don’t blame me but i really couldn’t care less about either of those

>Wario gets a 2nd rep
>Either Captain Syrup because that's his villain or Ashley because of popularity
I win either way.

>>739012648
Well Ultimate has released its final DLC fighter so now is Sakurai's chance to get his head out of his butt and either quit wasting character slots or pass the torch to someone who is actually competent like a hobo.

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>>739012734
sorry anon

>>739012593
>I used to not want Inkling in Smash because she was too new
Difference between Inkling and Springman is
1) Again, NO ONE likes Arms. That game's online has been dead for years and no one talks about the game outside of making fun of it whereas with Splatoon, it's beloved even today, has 2 sequels with a spinoff on the way.
2) Arms already has a rep and a theoretical Smash 6 does not need TWO Arms characters.

>>739012703
Then what about a Toad (regular and/or Captain) or Mona from Warioware? I'm okay without Rex if Shulk interlinks for his final smash.

>>739012940
Kid Icarus Uprising does not need more than one rep either because it’s just one game yet it has two

>>739013048
Oh yeah I like Toad way more than Waluigi and i’m really surprised he’s still not in; Mona’s not necessary since Wario already represents Warioware so strongly and Ashley is the fan-preferred rep (but i don’t think Warioware needs another rep at all)
Also, Shulk and Rex don’t have proper interlinked/Ouroboros forms except for the mega Ouroboros/Ares so i can’t see Shulk’s final smash changing (except maybe replacing Fiora with Melia)

>>739013056
Palutena was a welcomed addition to Smash while Dark Pit was added because he was an easy clone to make.

>>739012337
It would be 100% absurd for there to be more Mario, Zelda or FE characters without heavy cuts to the current overwhelming deluge of characters from those franchises already present. Arguably Pokemon falls here as well
Other Nintendo franchises already present in Smash would give me an "okay, but why?" reaction. Like I wouldn't be upset by more Metroid or F-Zero characters but I don't think we need them either
Nintendo characters from franchises that haven't been playable in Smash though? Why not? I'd actually consider buying a Switch 2 if I could beat up niggas with Ray Mk II in Smash

>>739012940
>ARMS is dead
Funny. I remember faggots insisting Mega Man was dead before he joined Smash.
>Smash 6 does not need TWO Arms characters
There's a whole bunch of fighters smash has that it didn't need, but here we are.

Kys faggot.

>>738995636
Probably a solid top 5 of the worst personal whislist i've seen so far, kys

>>739013363
And Palutena has still really only been in one game that isn’t available on the Switch ecosystem currently, is there any value in keeping her on the roster?

>>739013449
Equating Mega Man, a storied franchise with iconic characters to fucking ARMS is the most retarded thing I've ever seen while browsing this board. Congratulations, retard.
>DURR WUT ABOUT DIS SEERIS!!!
Okay? It's not good then either. Adding to the problem is stupid, like you.

>>739013565
She was in Kid Icarus 1, and I'm pretty sure that's playable on the Switch.

Ok so my most wanted first party franchises to get new content are Xenoblade, Kirby and Fire Emblem (probably in that order) and the third party franchise I want the most is Fate; and any other third party iconic VN-originating/based franchise (that is not Danganronpa or Ace Attorney or Doki Doki Literature Club) would be really cool too; are my hopes weird?

>>739013762
Nope. I want another Xenoblade and FE rep also. Not sure who I'd want from Kirby, but I'm definitely not opposed to another character from there.

I just want Dante, bro. He'd be a cool action game addition next to Bayonetta.

>>739013823
I’m a bit conflicted about the Xenoblade rep because I really want both X and 3 to get something but I feel like the character rep is far more likely to be Noah/Mio or even Melia or Nia vs Elma/Cross; and on top of that i’ve seen a bunch of rosters that just add Mio alone even though I think Noah and Mio need to come together as a team/duo
I feel like a combo of 3 character (Noah/Mio) and X stage (Mira/Noctilum/Sylvalum) with music from both would be the best way to highlight both game’s strengths

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>>739014052
As much as I love X (it's unironically one of my favorite games of all time), I think it's time to get into Smash has long passed and Definitive Edition didn't really do well enough to justify Elma unfortunately. I do think Noah and Mio could work as separate characters and just have the other featured in their Final Smash. Not my preferred outcome, but the most likely if 3 gets a character.

>>739014249
>Noah and Mio could work as separate characters
Realistically I feel like that would be too much work and normies might explode if XC3 takes up TWO newcomer slots for the next Smash (and if we do get two new Xenoblade fighters somehow I’d rather one from 3 and one from X)
I do hope we get music from 1DE, 3 and X next game to have music from every game in the series in Smash, it’s criminal that somehow not a single X track was added, does Sakurai or the music team hate Sawano or something?

>>739014474
I meant have only having one as the 3 rep rather than a tandem character. I probably should've worded that differently. And yeah, we do need more Xenoblade music.

>>739014126
You can unlock Stewie Griffin if you get 20 KO's in Cruel Melee

>>739014569
Also another grievance I have with the Xenoblade music is a specific one that i haven’t seen anyone else say; it’s the complete lack of Elysium, in the Blue Sky and it’s motifs in any of the XC2 music in Smash, sure most tracks that use the motifs from it are cutscene tracks or quieter area themes, but it’s so central to XC2’s thematic and musical identity that it feels so off that there wasn’t even say a “combat-focused” remix of it in the Smash DLC pack or an inclusion of it in the XC2 medley (Preator Amalthus The Acting God being the only Mitsuda XC2 track in Smash sucks); and adding a whole bunch of bombastic XC2 battle and field music while ignoring Elysium, in the Blue Sky entirely makes me feel like they missed the entire emotional core of XC2’s music even if “it’s not suited to Smash” or whatever
Hopefully Off-Seer Noah and Off-Seer Mio don’t suffer the same fate with the next Smash’s XC3 music but those motifs are used even more in XC3 so they *should* get to appear…

Wonder how many third party characters there really will be in the next Smash…

>>739016492
Honestly that's the thing that urks me about most fan rosters is that I feel like they go too overboard on third parties. A reminder that Smash 4 only had 3 of them on launch. Granted, Smash is in a much better place now than it was back then, but if we were to assume Smash 6 would be a soft-reboot, I feel like they'd have some restraint, like around 5-6 at launch at most, and half of those would be veterans.

>>739013478
>NOOOO WHERE IS CRASH, SHADOW, AND WALUIGI (the 3 most boring faggots included in almost every fan roster)

>cutting Lucario and Bowser Jr
Why is it always these two characters that make them out themselves as idiots?

>>738996859
Nobody gives a shit about the Fortnite original characters, they just want to have Thanos and the Dino Megazord have a twerk off.

>>738995636
>meowscarada
Finally a good Pokemon in Smash

>>739013274
Mona's got an actual kit while people just want Ashley because they want to fuck underage goth girls, which is why Nick All Stars made putting the Loud House goth into the game a priority for their efforts to pander to Melee players.

>>739016492
From the current ones I can see these ones staying
>Bayonetta
>Sonic
>Pacman
>Megaman
>Ryu
>Simon or Richter
>Hero
>Cloud?
The first two have pretty strong relations with Nintendo, Pac-Man shouldn’t be a problem if Bamco is still helping with the development, Capcom has been sucking Nintendo a lot these past months so any Capcom character should stay and even we may see Leon, a Monster Hunter or even Diana
And Square is on a desperate age trying to regain relevance in japan through Nintendo, so they may be less stubborn with their requests for Cloud and Hero

>>739017725
that's what people kept saying about minecraft and animal crossing

For me is the only cuts from smash being some of the third parties that are harder to get licenses for

>>739000586
One fighter per series, easy. Series that have spin-offs are higher-priority

>>738995636
Roster doesn't matter if the game plays like shit. Imagine buying a game with a shitty netcode and high input lag even offline. Wow I can play as my favorite scrimblo! Who cares if the game feels like dogshit to play, it's my favorite character!

>bunch of replies saying the roster in the OP is AIDS
>only a couple people posting theirs
You faggots are a bunch of homo cowards

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>>738995636
Tails is an awful choice. Knuckles would make way more sense.

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Posting my wants.

>>739023885
Tails is Sonic's Luigi. He deserves to be playable more than any other Sonic character.

>>738995636
>Meowscarada
it's going to be a Gen 10 pokemon

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I refuse to conform to Sakurai's completely shit taste.

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>>739024975
This, make the Melee hoax a reality.

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>>739024975
>>739025619
tails was not even playable. He was sonic's yoshi at best.

>>739025687
>Sonic 2 doesn't exist suddenly
Yep, we're due for another Smash period.

>>739025962
>he didn't played sonic 2
indeed.

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>>739025295
>Incineroar
It's going to be a Gen 8 Pokémon.

>>739024975
No, Shadow is Sonic's Luigi. Tails is Sonic's Yoshi.

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>>739026286
>played
You walked right into this one.

>>738995636
>Daisy remains an echo
Shit roster.

No Sneed, and for that reason, I'm out.

>>739026716
next you are going to say master hand was playable in melee. Like i said, sonic's yoshi.

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>>738995636
I really would just like a new general direction whether is low budget handheld history focused smash bros or a smash bros thats a completely new genre like a marvel rivals

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>>739027056
I'll consider this as a concession.
Can't wait to see more dumbasses like you pop up in the future.

>>739008741
>Still not a good reason to put her in over the real protagonist.
realistically she's still the best pick for a smash character given she fights with her legs as well and is the most popular among players, making spring man the smash fighter just because he's the main guy on the box would be awkward because what do you do for the rest of his moves, min min can fills those with kicks but all spring man's got is a deflector which is good for maybe one move

>>739020234
and they were correct. steve is literally only played because he's mechanically broken

>>739027587
>making spring man the smash fighter just because he's the main guy on the box would be awkward because what do you do for the rest of his moves
Almost like they can make moves for him where appropriate, like they did with the original twelve.

Seriously, what's with the regression of Smash discussion across the board?

>>739027642
Banjo lost. Steve won.

>>739027298
Either of those would be based for two different reasons. The first would downright force them to think outside the much smaller box (i.e. creativity through limitation) in order to compensate for the downsizing while the second option would be refreshing considering we've been playing the same game for 2+ decades. God, just making the same game again but at least with colorful and dynamic sprite work would be a warm welcome.

>>739027759
>Almost like they can make moves for him where appropriate, like they did with the original twelve.
yeah, I sure remember when red and blue were the original pokemon fighters in 64 and they just made up moves to compensate
>Seriously, what's with the regression of Smash discussion across the board?
the actual regression is
>N-NO THEY HAVE TO ADD THE MAIN CHARACTER FIRST EVEN IF THEY'RE LESS INTERESTING AND LESS POPULAR BECAUSE THEY JUST DO OKAY!

>>739028050
what I learned from the mario movie is that people would 100% be behind a campaign focused smash bros something more like a viewtiful joe thats more made to be a singleplayer game with the popularity of the idea of a nintendo cinematic universe

but that will never happen obviously

>>739028237
>yeah, I sure remember when red and blue were the original pokemon fighters in 64 and they just made up moves to compensate
I specifically said the original twelve, you're bringing up a whataboutism just to argue.
>N-NO THEY HAVE TO ADD THE MAIN CHARACTER FIRST EVEN IF THEY'RE LESS INTERESTING AND LESS POPULAR BECAUSE THEY JUST DO OKAY!
Min Min was only added because Sakurai had to throw a bone to ARMS fans instead of just letting them go without and THEN add Springman when Nintendo told him to add an ARMS rep but didn't want to admit that he made a mistake. And this is just speculation on my end, but Springman being an assist and Min Min being the playable rep proves he jumped the gun on making Springman an assist.

>>739028050
it would piss me off to hear
>smash should have reboot
>the reboot in question is just the same game but with a smaller roster and the veterans have new moves
like how is this appealing

>>739027298
>new general direction
Make it a 3D arena fighter but still with platforms and items.

>>739028747
>like how is this appealing
On one hand it would indeed be boring. On the other hand I get the feeling people just want to play characters from their favorite media against each other and don't care at all about how the game plays, seeing as how the whole platform fighter genre is niche as fuck outside of smash and seeing as how most discussion is about the roster. So whether they change everything or change nothing the game is gonna sell the same.

>>739028747
Smaller roster = more unique touches in say, a story mode like SSE which everyone dickrides. Actual Melee-tier secrets and goodies but with a mostly good budget and dev cycle. Just adding on Ultimate doesn't do shit for me, and certain mods that go beyond 110+ characters prove the problem in more ways than one.

>>739028629
>I specifically said the original twelve, you're bringing up a whataboutism just to argue.
how is it a whataboutism, it's a specific example within the original 12 of the main characters being forgone in favor of other characters within the series that have more robust movesets and are more popular
>Min Min was only added because Sakurai had to throw a bone to ARMS fans instead of just letting them go without and THEN add Springman when Nintendo told him to add an ARMS rep but didn't want to admit that he made a mistake.
I don't think this sentence even makes sense
>Springman being an assist and Min Min being the playable rep proves he jumped the gun on making Springman an assist.
he probably added springman as an assist because there wasn't enough time to add an ARMS character in base and nintendo decided on the first pass already
but if he really wanted springman playable he could've just changed the assist to springatron with the DLC pack update or just made it so springman would never appear from an assist trophy if he was a fighter in the match, neither would take much work

>Frisk
>not Kris / Susie

>>739029925
>it's a specific example within the original 12 of the main characters being forgone in favor of other characters within the series that have more robust movesets and are more popular
The main face of Pokemon are the Pokemon and the respective version mascots, and in the case of the franchise, Pikachu. No one's replacing Pikachu and Sakurai didn't gun for Red in the first game.
>I don't think this sentence even makes sense
Min Min was chosen because Springman was an assist. That's it. If Sakurai withheld the assist for Springman, Springman would be a fighter instead of her.
>but if he really wanted springman playable he could've just changed the assist to springatron with the DLC pack update or just made it so springman would never appear from an assist trophy if he was a fighter in the match, neither would take much work
He really should have did this or just no sell the assist and just add them and let SM summon himself. You'd have to buy Springman or the second pack to play as him anyway, so that alone proves he takes a lot more stake in who gets added as assists and sticks to it to a fault.

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Here's your Japanese voted roster bro

>>738995636
Not enough Pokemon. Also senseless cuts. Why drop characters when you can just copy and paste them into the new game?

>>739030507
Add Samus, space animals, and Pit and that's a good roster.

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>>739030571
>Why drop characters when you can just copy and paste them into the new game?
Dumb slop eater.

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>>739030571
The idea behind cuts is the game needs a huge reboot, because characters could really use a radical change in their moveset, which is true for most of the older ones and some newer ones, but almost every existing moveset is fine as it is. What else are you supposed to do with someone like Ryu or Terry? Characters like Captain Falcon don't have a lot of material to pull moves from either. So I don't think a Smash reboot needs to cut that many people to save on development time or something.

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Soon
https://gamebanana.com/wips/100554

>>739032378
im getting tired of seeing this stupid shill cat

>>739030507
Kind of fascinating that Ridley made the chart over the Samus variants.

>>739030507
Ness that high? I'm proud of em.

>>739031581
The roster is bloated as fuck and that's why cuts are needed. Even Sakurai thinks it's too much and warned fans Ultimate is not happening again.

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>>739032464
Don't care we need sexy cats girls in Smash instead of homoerotic ones like Inshittiroar.

>>739032561
I think the next Smash game could use some cuts (and making some characters alt costumes) but it doesn't need to be this HALF OF EVERYBODY IS HERE apocalypse some people make it out to be.

It's probably only third parties getting cut. Sora is certainly gone.

>>739032610
Your post would have been based if you didn't post off-model trash...

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>>739033783
I post what I want peasant.

>>739033610
If the next Smash is mostly gonna be shit like "oh we got rid of Snake, Sora, Sonic, Joker, Cloud, Ryu, Simon, Megaman, but check this out here's Ring Fit Trainer and the latest faggot Pokemon" it's going to be seen as a huge downgrade.

>>739034305
Well some third parties are likely easier to retain than others. Sonic is an honorary first party at this point. I guess some clones will be cut too so it's not only third parties going. Steve might be going too. Sakurai does not like competitive but even so balancing Steve must be nightmarish.

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>>739033392
It would make room for some other weirdly omitted series like Tales or Mana. You could also correct series like FE by including some of the more unique classes instead of nearly all sword lords.

>>739034305
>it's going to be seen as a huge downgrade.
By rosterfags only, who wouldn't even buy the game either way.
The only characters you listed that actual Nintendo fans care about are Sonic and Megaman, and even if they get cut it wouldn't impact Smash's sales at all.

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>>739034765
The fuck is this shit.

>>739034765
>Tales or Mana
Now those would be good franchises to represent, and yet all those shitty fan rosters keep shilling for garbage like Doom which has no overlap with Nintendo fans.

>>739034765
You should still have the FE Sword Lord class. It's the main character. Marth, Lucina, Roy, Chrom, a couple new lords if you'd like (Eirika, Celica), all of them in one character. Change the moveset a little. Change the Counter so it's visually something like a Dodge + Counterattack instead (so it resembles how an attack misses in Fire Emblem, instead of whatever the fuck the Counter is).

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>>739034765
>2 Pokemon characters
>one of them is fucking Jigglypuff
You are fucking deranged

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>>739034825
You could slap the name Smash Bros on a steaming turd and it'd still sell, it just wouldn't sell as much and wouldn't be as well received.

>>739034305
Give it satisfying gameplay like Melee, or hefty singleplayer content like Brawl, or robust functional online, and people will be singing its praises for years.

>>739009624
zoomers aren't kids anymore, shit for brains

>>739035195
>Give it satisfying gameplay like Melee
Why would you open with an impossible ask

>>739034825
>The only characters you listed that actual Nintendo fans care about are Sonic and Megaman
Smashfags do like Snake for being a Brawl oldfag. I think cutting the face of fighting games would be a bad move too.

>>739034920
Like I said, I'd rather see other classes. A manakete, a trainee who job changes midgame, maybe an assassin or archer, or even a dancer. I don't hate FE.
>>739035141
So others can be added, like Meowth.

>>739034696
Clones are probably the least likely to go since they're clones. Third parties depend on how many of them are willing to play ball but all of them seem to have a better relationship with Nintendo now than when the characters were initially added (Mainline Persona and FF7 remake games on the Switch, Konami's not a corpse that doesn't make games anymore, etcetera).

>>738995636
>Bandana Waddle Dee
Sakurai would sooner put Marx or even fucking Noir Dedede in Smash before Bandana. He snubbed him from being in Air Riders initial unlocked roster of 4 for the regular Waddle Dee.

>>738995636
>alear in 2027
immediately retarded, equivalent of zoroark fags of yesteryear, wont bother looking at the rest of the trash

Animal Crossing should have a third playable character.

>>739035546
I am not that anon but Marth is not really the face of Fire Emblem like Mario is the face of Mario. It's a game with changing protagonists and setings. Cloud is the Final Fantasy character that's in Smash, not the FF1 Black Mage. Marth is still around because he was in Melee. His game was originally only released in Japan and its remake underperformed to the point they were considering putting the franchise to rest if the next game sold poorly. He never does great in popularity polls. If Smash Bros started today it'd probably just be Byleth and maybe Lucina.

>>738995636
I don’t really give a shit. I just need Dedede, Plant, Skull Kid and Leon Kennedy. Takamaru could be fun.

>>739026367
The difference is that Ultimate came out before SwSh were even announced, there was no possible world where we were getting a Gen VIII rep. Granted, depending on where Smash 6 currently is in development, assuming it's even started, Gen X may also be too late, but it currently stands a better chance with the limited information available to us at the time

They are not doing reboot, everyone would just go back to Ultimate. Look at what happened with Mario Kart, normies really believe more is better.

>>739035832
If Smash chose an FE rep starting completely fresh, it would have been Lyn

>>739035965
Mario Kart World sucks. 8 is just better. It’s not solely about having more.

>>739035832
>Marth is still around because he was in Melee.
and why was marth in melee exactly?

>>739036000
nah

>>739035965
I strongly doubt that Smash 6's development started as late as Mario Kart World's release. Nintendo isn't going to spend years course-correcting a big game out of panic, especially after Prime 4. If it started as a reboot, it will release as a reboot.

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I wish all the newcomers in the next game were random little guys from old forgotten games like Muddy Mole, Starfy, Chibi Robo, Prince of Sable, Custom Robo, Baloon Fighter, the guy from Clu Clu Land, Pushmo, etc

>>739036138
>I strongly doubt that Smash 6's development started as late as Mario Kart World's release.
why? air riders didn't release until months after that and there's no way there will be a smash without sakurai until he's retired

>>739035965
>everyone would just go back to Ultimate
As long as it sells I don't think they care

>Look at what happened with Mario Kart
Sold well enough

>>739036052
At that point it's not like there was a ton to choose from so they might as well go with Marth. Gaiden wasn't well received. Sigurd not on horseback would've been strange, Seliph instead of Sigurd might have been strange, the Jugdral games were still going to be represented with Leif as a Marth clone but instead they went with Roy from a game that wasn't even out. If they were to start representing FE in Smash now they'd go with someone from a globally successful game. Lyn, Lucina and Byleth would be good picks.

>>739036263
It's rare for Smash to miss the first two years of a system's life. I assume either Sakurai was multitasking behind the scenes, or a different director has been handling it in his absence.

>>739036425
NTA but we still don't have a mainline Mario title either.

>>739035832
Marth/Lucina is the best way to represent the series. Lucina is conceptually a Marth clone even in Awakening so they don't have to waste development time on multiple FE reps.

>>739036503
>they don't have to waste development time on multiple FE reps.
This is something I'm seeing in Smash discussion that I don't understand. People saying that they should do this or that with the roster to save development time or resources. It's a multibillion dollar company working on one of their best sellers, they have more than enough resources to not need to cut corners.

>>739036263
Smash 6 development started as soon as ultimate released, it was probably another team with sakurai supervision, now Sakurai is going all in to finish the game

>>739036595
mario kart world

There is no reason to have Sheik and Impa.

>>739036595
I just don't see the point in the game having multiple Awakening reps. Lucina is enough to represent Awakening, and Marth is the face of the franchise anyways. I guess they could keep Byleth or add a character from the new game too if they wanted.

>>738995636
>Too many third parties. over 20? come the fuck on. a 2nd sonic character, a tekken echo, but no bomberman?
>Most Echoes are near identical and should just be skins, and echoes like richter aren't even included for some reason
>Some echoes like lucina and ken aren't echoes
>Dark pit could easily be made into a skin for pit with his arrows switchable with shield+special or a taunt
>Shiek and zelda work better as separate characters
>no pokemon trainer or charizard, but includes greninja and meowscarada for some reason
>duckhunt, G&W, ice climbers, and girl; but no ROB?
>Too many characters
>>739000418
It started out as a celebration of nintendoslop, then devolved into rosterfaggotry. the hate is justified

>>739036397
>If they were to start representing FE in Smash now they'd go with someone from a globally successful game. Lyn, Lucina and Byleth would be good picks.
the problem with that is that lyn's game probably wouldn't have even been released worldwide without smash, and lucina only exists because they wanted to bring in the largest audience in last ditch effort by bring back "marth" who became widely known through smash, and FE probably wouldn't have continued without smash's support so byleth's game probably wouldn't exist, so I think in a reality where smash only started including fire emblem characters now it would probably still be marth as he's the first and most recurrent main character and a popular main character that could be his clone like ike or chrom

>>739036595
In theory, but in practice they do things like introduce echo fighters as a concept, then never do anything with it. Even though there are a bunch of obvious picks.

>>739036595
>This is something I'm seeing in Smash discussion that I don't understand.
it's what differentiates pipedream wishlists and speculation, and frankly pipedream wishlists aren't as interesting to discuss
>I want tails, and knuckles, and amy, and shadow, and zero, and x, and dark link, and skull kid, and goku, and vegeta, and gohan, and cell, and buu, and frieza, and luffy, and zoro, and naruto, and sasuke, and waluigi, and geno, and shrek, and minions
like okay... cool I guess man
sure they could in theory shell out for however much it costs for every third party property in existence, and spend decades developing your 200 character multimedia crossover but realistically they're not gonna do it

>Marth
>Tiki
>Ike
>Robin
>Camilla
>Byleth or Dimitri
is the ideal FE roster.

>>739036871
In this scenario where Marth is not added to Melee, then the games never make it outside Japan, Fire Emblem ceases to exist somewhere around 9 and it's only represented in Smash with assist trophies. Marth is probably one of them.
If your scenario assumes that Fire Emblem starts seeing global releases somewhere after 7, they'd just pick a character from one of those successful games instead of the Japan exclusive Marth.

>>739037745
>they'd just pick a character from one of those successful games instead of the Japan exclusive Marth.
I'm saying they would do that and basically pull a melee (or for a more recent example ult with castlevania) and get two characters out of one, a popular one and marth for series importance

>>738995636
>Geno
Already off to the bottom of the barrel in terms of rosterfag picks huh?
What's next fucking Spongebob and Freddy Fazbear?
How about fucking Tung Tung Tung Sahur/Jonesy while we are at it since this thread is already off to a shitty start

>>739038383
>How about fucking Tung Tung Tung Sahur
would be funny

>>739038520
I fucking hope he makes it in unironically
so that rosterfags seethe and potentially killing all discussion of smash bros here

>>739038646
rosterfag series, get over it

>>739038734
Yeah okay retard
I didn’t see you faggots doing this shit during the melee days
This series was never for rosterfags

>>739038826
character poll on the 64 website
game wouldn't even have been made without sakurai rosterfagging
you can keep crying about it but it won't stop people caring about the character roster in a crossover fighting game, it's been there since day 0

>>739038990
Post the website poll NOW

>>739039182
https://www.ssbwiki.com/Super_Smash_Bros._Poll#Aggregate_results
bowser placed top, james bond was number 6 lol

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>>739039343
Why can't they settle for her? She needs something good in her life after she got screwed hard.

>>738995636
>two whole rows of mario characters
Back to the drawing board, fucko

>>739009986
>>739010569
>>739012593
>>739013274
>>739016912
Waluigi is never happening. Nintendo simply doesn't care about him - there is nothing unique about him and he is a character created by a second party to pad out spinoff rosters and he has never graduated from this role in 30 years. He has never been included in a mainline Mario title except for a costume in Odyssey. Even Toadette is promoted by Nintendo from a Mario Kart character to one that appears in mainline Mario. And no, a fighter built around a moveset based upon a bunch of unrelated Mario sports games and Mario Party is unlikely

>>739024409
What would be Paula’s moveset? Considering ness already took some moves from her.

>>739036503
>>739036595
Sakurai most likely has a deal with Nintendo/Intelligent Systems to promote FE as much as possible in Smash because melee was the entire reason the franchise exists in the west.

>>738995636
Where the fuck is James Bond?

>>739009624
Zoomers are nearly 30, man.

>>739036503
The funny thing though is Lucina's fighting style is supposed to be the same as Chrom's, even though in Smash it isn't.

>>739041035
I think it still works, even in awakening they have very different attack animations/fighting stances, and it makes sense that their fighting styles would vary a bit given chrom dies earlier in her life, so them having similar fighting styles but not being identical fits

>>739034305
Good. Rosterfags don't play the game anyways so if they cut the bullshit and give a real story mode, good online and better gameplay it will be worth it.

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I am a 4 year old Victorian era child and this is my Smash 6 roster concept, sorry if its shit
Before anyone asks: I gave myself like 55 slots max to work with. Cranky is meant to fulfill the joke character role, like Pichu, Wii Fit or Piranha Plant. I thought it'd be funny

>>739040812
Ness with PK Freeze, like he was in Smash Four with custom moves. FE can get away with four Marths, but the actual PK Fire/Thunder/Freeze user was absent. Her and Poo too. Make her lighter if needed.

>>739044986
this is the least retarded list of cuts i've seen
not a fan of a lot of the newcomes but w/e

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>>739044986
>Cutting Diddy
What the fuck did he do to deserve so much ire from Smashfags? If not that, forcing him and Dixie into a tag team.

>>739047151
I dunno man, it was either him or K. Rool who stayed, and I like K. Rool way more than Diddy, plus I didn't want to bloat the number of Mario characters anymore than I already did

>>739047349
>plus I didn't want to bloat the number of Mario characters
DK is its own series, you can have DK/Diddy/Rool no problem.

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This is what I've come up with. Not going to speculate on newcomers

>>739047428
Pretty good, but... only Mii Swordfighter?

>>739047531
Just listed one but I'd guess that all 3 return. I definitely see them returning so they can sell DLC costumes.

>>739047151
It's the voice, if you can call it that.

>>739047724
Bullshit, just give him his DK64 voice then.

>>739047151
Diddy kong is one of the most consistently annoying characters to deal with. Literally just everything about him is just fucking obnoxious, from the noises he makes, to his stupid fucking banana shit. Makes sense that if somebody's wishlist doesn't cut him entirely, they would at least put him in a state that would necessitate reworking his annoying moveset.

Get that stupid fucking monkey out of here.

smash is trash now. the only head turner after brawl was the handheld. after that its just improved graphics and new characters.

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>>739035592
>He snubbed him from being in Air Riders initial unlocked roster of 4 for the regular Waddle Dee.
You had better not actually be a Bandana Dee cultist, because WOW, this reeks of severe ungratefulness. I have a feeling you don't truly understand even half of Sakurai's flagrant bullshit.