How do I explain to them that they're making a mistake and will get severely harassed online and make zero sales?
>>738998648they should continue and will earn 10 gazilion dollarinos and none for you
>>738998648>How do I explain to themwhy do you not use he or she for your friend, are they non-binary?
Ugh...AI slop really? Ick, just.....ick. you could try and hav a e conversation with this so-called ftiend about how they really needntobreaxamine theirb values ifbtheyre okay with screwing hard worming artists and creators out of work and if they say they are then maybe itsntime to stop calling this person a "friend"?
I hope this thread is genuine although on /v it's unlikely.You should support your friend and hope he will put his effort and creativity in some other aspect of his game.
>>738998976Quite obviously, OP and their friend are trannycord femmes.
AI assets allow someone without technical expertise to bring their ideas to life. In the end if the story/gameplay is good or not, a lot of people will like it.There's most likely (I assume) enough people who won't care to offset the screeching masses of retards who do. If anything, using AI seems like a pretty good gatekeeping method along with adding lolis
>>738999421It's illegal to publish AI generated game on Steam without disclosure. We will find your AI art assets and report you and leave negative reviews slopper bitch
>>738999569???is your AI derangement syndrome affecting you in some way that you are hallucinating things I said?as far as I'm concerned, the AI tag is a blessing to gatekeep undesirables from even interacting with your game
>>738999569AAA gets away with it
You don't need to, most AIbabs have attention issues and get 20% of the way into development before giving up even when a machine does all the work for them.
>>738999569how will you find them? you retards dont even know how to make them
>>738999739I buy games on steam that disclose use of AI just to leave negative reviews. Nothing you can do about it. AI is theft and ruining the art medium of games. Buy real games made by real humans not games promoted in 2 seconds by fake gamedevs.
>>738999421>AI assets allow someone without technical expertise to bring their ideas to life.they actually don't, but if you've never learned to do or have done an actual creative process with learned skills, you won't have the first idea about what it means to bring your """ideas""" to life.
>>738999739>undesirablesAKA Indians, the biggest AI-addled "people" around. Your post reeks of shit and curry.
>>738999986This. AI bros don't have any art skills or aesthetic taste at all otherwise they woukd have the passion to learn drawing (with real actual pencils). Anyone who has to prompt an AI to get art ideas isn't even fit to choose a color palette for a single image let alone create and entire video game. These idiots will never learn and will flood the game stores with slop that reduces visibility of real artworks created by actual humans that actually have talent and creative ideas. AI is not creative and anyone who uses it is a fake gamedev and a fake artist who deserves to be hunted down like an animal in the streets and made to pay for what they've done to art.
>>739000104This is why we need mandatory interest digital ID for game developers on Steam. Gamers have a right to know how a game was made and where the developer is from so we can boycott their "games".
>>738998648He is in all likelihood going to make 0 sales either way, at least with AI he might shave some time off the development.
>>738999421>AI assets allow someone without technical expertise to bring their ideas to lifeOoookay? And why should I be okay with talentless retards being validated? It's already a problem so don't make it worse.
>>738998648He's saving time and effort on that, I see it as commissioning or using bought assets, nothing wrong with that, but there must be some part of the game where he is placing all his effort, optimizing, smooth controls, making sure the game is fun.
>>738999569I don’t think you know what illegal means >>738999936Yes and everybody claps
>>739000718Just don’t buy it. Or buy it and leave a negative review. Or find a baseball bat and smash yourself in the head with it. Why would anyone care about what you personally like, dislike, do or don’t do?
>>739001125>wow dude so what that I crapped onto your lawn just like clean that up woooow
>>739001182I have no idea what you're even talking about and I feel like you have negative IQ in the sense that the collective intelligence of a group is drained when you're around
>>739001226But I'm not an AI nigger. And yes, opening the door even wider for a larger crowd of talentless stupid fucking niggers who think they don't have to be smart or have skills to make a game is the literal equivalent of taking a fat steaming piece of dump right on my fucking doorstep so fuck off.
>>738998648you would think anti-ai people would realize their current voracious attitude only really impacts smaller devs anyway while industry devs still get away with it due to sheer audience size, namely including all the normies who don't pay attention or care. they are ironically forcing an environment where only the wealthy and empowered get to benefit from a technology that, if used right, would still dramatically lower barriers for poor solo amateur devs who may have otherwise not really had the means to make their dream happen. funnily enough that also highlights a particular schism among these "artists" who have suddenly become massive boomers towards the people who've considered using it, specifically wherever artistic integrity ends and "PLEASE COMMISSION ME PLEEEEEAAASE YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO FUCK YOU IF YOU DON'T" begins. like i understand it's gravely important these skillsets remain valuable because fuck neofeudalism, but ai has presented a problem that requires particular nuance and of course the raging masses don't even have the capacity to notice their resistance has most likely been co-opted to come off like this to outsiders anyway via infiltrators enabling everyone's erratic rage just to cripple the whole thing. there has to be a better fucking way that doesn't involve throwing aspiring dev juan from brazil in their crosshairs or some shit like that rather than, you know, seeing sakurai and gabe promote generative ai and get no pushback.we are at a critical moment where the anti-ai movement needs to desperately reel in the side of itself that, say, can't even process seeing some slightly crusty artwork that may or may not be ai on a vinesauce stream without blowing up the chat and being screaming crying children.sorry if i rambled, this shit just pisses me off because it reinforces the notion that we don't have what it takes to stop the elites from fucking us. we really need to be better about this, like yesterday. jesus fucking christ.
>>739001494>muh smaller devsI don't fucking care about your retarded rant. Indies have been extremely spoiled for the past years just shitting out extremely low effort garbage while getting coddled and protected every fucking time. Why am I supposed to be okay with indie shitters now being too lazy to even learn the absolute basics?
>>738998648Xe should pivot to making a WEG and dripfeed the slop via patreon. It's basically passive income, but with even less effort.
>>738998648show them the replies to the party animals game twitter post where millions of people are dumping on them for their ai generated video contesthttps://x.com/party_animals/status/2054417230428074225
>>739001645it's more the principle of it. yeah a lot of indie is garbage but this is making a point that the people defending them are being fucking retarded and need to look in the mirror for five seconds. if the indie side of things is something you wanna see wither improve or just die on quality grounds, sure fine whatever, but don't fucking enable the industry just to spite them. i'd rather deal with shit indie devs than corporate slime.you know fuck it, if you really think you're smart, you should've picked up on this being a bigger issue than just muh shit indies. how do i know you're not a fucking corporate shill playing semantics? this goes both ways faggot
>>738998648Tell him that his game is going to go nowhere because people are going to feedback bugs and exploits and he can't debug without knowing how to code.It is going to have bad first impressions, lots of people complaining about crashes and bugs that he can not fix, a poor or incoherent gameplay, and many others wanting a refund for a low quality, no effort game.My logic is: if you are automating the process and there are no developers working, what am I paying for?
>>739001494>industry devs still get away with it due to sheer audience size, namely including all the normies who don't pay attention or care.I literally don't care, I'm still not playing your game. Go ahead and make a million bajillion dollars with AI. I'm going to be playing real video games made by real people, whether those have huge budgets or not, whether everyone else in the world is playing AI slop or not. You cannot guilt trip me with "wahhh but other people get to profit with dogshit business practices" I literally do not care. Your financial success is not my concern. If you're not making a product that I'm interested in then you are of no concern to me.
>>739002212I don't like AIslop no matter if it's in indies or industry shit. At best I'm willing to accept it if you used it to generate small temporary placeholders or generic icons for items or there's some AIslopped poster in the corner of the map because who cares about such small things. If you want to use AI for "brainstorming" or to let it handle ACTUALLY important tasks like art or coding then you can go fuck yourself.
Idk tapping into the Indian/Chinese markets surely will net him a dollar or few.
>>739001494nuanced and true postit is good and right to shit on people using AI to "make" art. but we should shit on big entities who use it even harder and louder, because there is the real issue.I think it's fine to use it to help you out with the codebase of your game, if you lack the skills to do so yourself, however. (should still understand how the basics work however and the logic should be your own).>>739001645too retarded and zoomerbrained to read, understand and reply to a post. maybe ask GPT to summarise it for you next time, lmao
>>739002413You can’t even tell when AAAs are using AI just like the retards on X thought that a Monet was AI. They’ll keep using it and like the baboon that you are you won’t even be able to tell
>>738998648The internet already has enough garbage slop, we don't need more.
>>739002552Ooookay so game prices are going to go down yeeees?
>>738998976This is your brain on seeing the woke boogeyman everywhere.
>>739002413personally it annoys me almost more when it's used for small details like that, because it shows the maker is too dumb to work around having to have those and/or hasn't realised that the small things can matter more than big things in certain contexts.imagine you play something like morrorwind and you saw a super nintendo in the corner of some of the rooms. didn't need to be there, could have been something else and entirely ruins immersion and the illusion the rest of the game was building.
>>739002552People can definitely tell, you need to stop assuming that everyone is as stupid as you, Ranjeet.
>>739002401>thinking i was defending aii could have worded the initial rant a bit better, so fair. i made an example of the hypocrisy of the movement trying to snuff it out. they ultimately target their rage towards people that actually have to balk at the response versus, again, people like gabe or sakurai who can get away with it because they're insulated from comment section idiots. the end result of that is only indie devs get hurt. maybe that tickles your balls personally but it's still bad for video games overall and the fallout from a development like that would still seep into your games sooner or later, since monied devs will probably eventually, if not already, figure out a cost-effective way to prompt-engineer and edit their ai genned assets to look authentic and then wow look suddenly you got dick in the ass. don't pretend you're above that you fucking nigger.the anti-ai movement as it is right now is fucking useless. if these forsaken artists actually wanted to be real about this shit, they would be doubling down on attacking the industry directly instead of throwing false accusations at shit like blue prince and fucking up the whole thing. it's a fucking stupid mess.
Post the assets and proompts if he's shared any. THAT'S how we'll tell.
>>739003613>thinking i was defending ai>Leaves multiple 200 word essays defending AIslop.$0.02 has been added to your Microslop Pajeet account.
>>739003052So they can tell? Great because that means AI doesn’t affect sales then
>>739002664Lmaoooooooooo
I don't even like AI that much but it's hilarious seeing everybody sperg out about itTriple A studios are already implementing AI in various ways, eventually most games will have some form of AI usageDoesn't matter if you like it or not, AI is going to be unavoidable in the future, not just for gaming
>>738998976no need to ask a catCHAD if they have enby friends, it is a foregone conclusion
>>739003946I can tell it's AIslop just like how I can tell that you're an Indian. It's very easy.
>>739004095AI isn't even going to last for another 2 years.
>>739003872>now being actively disingenuous and baitingyou get one more (you) for sharing your transaction history with us. thanks
>>739001494>like i understand it's gravely important these skillsets remain valuable because fuck neofeudalismIf something is trivially doable by a machine it is not valuable. Unless the machine is not good enough, in which case, why do you care?
>>739002547>you can't use AI to make art>but using it to code is fineAnd there it is, the classic art tranny double standard. The absolute narcissism is breathtaking.
>>738999136>screwing hard wormingoh yeh baby make my worm hard so we can screeeeeeeew
>>739004346If you want to be an artist so bad, pick up a pencil instead of crying.
>>738998648>just hire an artist>300 bucks per commission let alone full game worth of assetsyeah no>you will be harassed thoughdon't care about twitter babies opinions and "people" being triggered by a computer making an image while using a computer all day. you aren't real. you're like painters when the camera was invented.
oh yeah and don't get me started on vtuber models aka 3d models with good rigging costing upward of TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS what the fuck is that, just install blender and make one yourself / with "AI"
>>739004490Nobody cares about jeet opinions like yours either.
>>739004095it really depends what AI is used for.if it's part of the workflow to do simple coding tasks quicker or to have list writeups or using it for placeholder assets during development, no one cares about that.when you use AI assets in a final product, that's the problem and brown coded behaviour everyone should openly shame
>>739002401Nobody cares that you don't care, go cry in a corner you useless retarded pussy
>>739004490>you are like (thing that requires tangible skill to do) when (other thing that requires tangible skill to use) was inventedI’m sure this is bait but faggots unironically will use this as a defense for AI lmao
>>739004693>It's ok when AI does a job as long as it's not my joblol
>>739004426If you want to be a programmer so bad, pick up a book and stop seething.
>>738998648just have them not disclose its made with AI or claim its machine assisted assets with human editting.
>>7390042622 more weeks until AI collapses surely!
>>739004346it's not a double standart.although coding can absolutely be elevated to an art by some people, rather than just a language usage, in games you mostly use it as the latter. sometimes very poorly even.i would rather have an LLM clean up my shitty code rather than doing it entirely myself, which would give the same practical result but just bloat my codebase, because I'm not that competent with it.are you a linguistic artist, because you can speak english? no. use your brain
>>739004346they're still seething about "learn to code" from a decade ago
>>739004662on tranny are out on the streets yet no one wants your overpaid garbage that's worst then Jeet quality
>>739004662wow so original. im white.>>739004786it was a reference to the previous luddites from a century ago
>>739004790literally everyone who writes code for a living works with AI assistance now, idiot
>>739004875>It's ok if AI is used for a skill I am bad at but not one I am good atlmao
>>739004840I should become a programmer, that way I can get paid bazillions for fixing all the AI fuckups aka the entire thing.
>>739004693>when you use AI assets in a final product, that's the problemYou can't even tell the difference when it's done well. Your only objection is philosophical and arguments to "theft of labor" while openly admitting you don't care if AI is used to replace the labor or game programmers and writers.
>>738998648I think my ai assets look fine but actually making the ui and how those assets are displayed feel good is where I'm at a loss. Also sound design.
>>739004954didn't understand the post, and like a nigger you react with confused anger.just use AI to explain the post to you and have it generate a response. clearly you are in need of it
>>739005021go for it sis
for the record those still arguing with me about not paying artists, I can do literally everything needed for making a game except art because of a physical impairment that makes me suck at writing drawing etc unless i take 5 times as long as literally anyone else so ill ask again, why do you have a problem with it, and don't call me indian again you piece of shit.
>>739004875>it's ok to use AI to help clean up code but not to help clean up 2D illustrationsThat's a double standard retard
>>739005183Ok I will.
>>739004587Some corporate ntr tuber got her cucks to crowdfund her $15,000 for a 3d model and it looked fucking awful, worse then indie tuber self funded models
>>739004950And doing the same to help create 2D illustrations is wrong because....?
>>739005050>Your only objection is in a context i can't smugly misrepresent to "win" an argument on an anonymous online sicilian bathroom tiling forumquite right>openly admitting you don't care if AI is used to replace the labor or game programmers and writersi never included writers, although I do have very little respect for them in a videogame context.it's fine to use AI to help you write your codebase to be then able to actually design a game, if you work alone. the same way I think it's fine to not have to build your own guitar, if you want to be a guitar player.if you are a studio and have a budget, I think using AI instead of actually competent programmers is an insult and retarded
>>739005021>backups zappedthats not how you store backups lmao deserved for using non local uncensored models YOU train
>>739005278>CEOs being retarded is AI's fault!
>>739005210>I can do literally everythingAI "ideas guys" in a nutshell. And you're still Indian.
>>739005278>I get to make all the porn artfags refused to do for money>and retards lose moneyI love AI.
>>739005419Why would anyone care about some perma loser gooning in his man cave?
>>739005367But somehow using AI to help create the visual assets is morally reprehensible in your eyes, for undefined and indefensible reasons. Lmao ok
>>739004950depends actually my friend who is at a level beyond my understanding when it comes to code tells the company what to do and its not "install copilot right now" its "this shit doesn't work" (yet)
>>739005214>having a machine build brushes for you is the same as using a machine to interfere with your visual artbehold, the intelligence of the average slopper
>>738998648>they
>>739005472Anti-aifags are rabid over ai no matter what it's used for.>no they aren'tYes, they are.
>>739005532It's only natural that people tend to look down on scammers.
>>739005482>"install copilot right now"Even the most pro-AI people would tell you not to do this
>>739005485>AI writing the code for your game is the same as a machine making paintbrushesYou appear to be retarded. Sad
>>738998648Hang yourself, should convince them to stop having fun
>>739005589I do indeed look down upon artfags.
Where's the AIjeet shill calling everyone leftie troons?
AI assets as place holders should be fine. Artist using AI to accelerate pipeline with color variant generations or image to sprite sheet should be finAI code SHOULD be fine because even "professionals" are block code retards a lot of the time. However it's usually block code retards having the AI do their bad code for them without the ability to proof read it.
>cute bunny GAMES thread 404done with 4chan for today. if generative algorithms trigger you turn off the computer.
>>739005472>gooningGo back.
>>739005474you ignored all the points made, so you can sneak off with a petty, self declared "win". good boy.to answer your question:because code in most cases isn't used as self expression, also the player experience won't be impacted the same way.there are a huge amount of ways you can implement the same in-game functions. practically it makes no substantial difference for the player.visual and audio assets however, exist to create a specific vibe and atmosphere. using anything that didn't come from real intent and a living creative process absolutely undermines and even kills that goal.you'd know this if you had ever created something yourself. you probably can't code either, based on you don't seem to understand how that works and why it's different.
>>739005532People who use AI should be executed in public. If you disagree you are part of the problem.
>>739005021>>739005278based AI dabbing on retards
>>739005805Sure but only if the complainers join.
>>739005704>I do indeed look down upon artfags aka the people that aifags desperately wish they could be.Lol, AIfags sound like a feminists jealous over hot women(actual artists)
>>739005278imagine being so triggered by AI that you have an entire folder with images you dump in every thread marginally related to AIi think you'll have a better time on tumblr
>>739005632explain how code isn't the rigid, mathematical framework necessary to be able to build a game within its skeletonentertain us
>>739005805I think you should fuck off. If you disagree you are part of the problem.
>>739005798AI can be used to create visual assets with a specific vibe and atmosphere with high consistency. I guess the last time you used AI was in 2022. I guess that's the price you pay for being luddite.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7gIoHq-YDo
>>739005868>Lol, AIfags sound like a feminists jealous over hot women(actual artists)that is exactly what is happening
>>739005881It's on the house.
>>739005973it cannot. it can, maybe, if you use it from the beginning and all the way throughout.in which case, you would have spent thousands of hours making a game, where you weren't even in charge of the art direction lmao. you probably don't even realise how slavebrained you are
>>739005893Ignore him he's an AIfag chud who will get the rope. Just focus on harassing them everywhere you find them and eventually they'll have no choice to stop using AI. We are powerful.
>>739005868>hey, can you do X? >No>fine, I'll do it myself>Stop, you have to pay me insteadThat's what it boils down to, artfags mad they are getting less money.
>>739005868YWNBAW
>>739005589>Generate porn for yourself>You're a "scammer" nowwow
>>738998648just stop being a negative faggot, your friend is based
>>739005868>hot women(actual artists)who hit the wall in 2024
>>739006129>YWNBAWI'm not the one using AI.
>>739006128i would be mad to if I could be completely replaced and have my earning slashed considerably
>>739006206>it's the same schizo from yesterdayGrim
>>739006221Maybe now you'll have to actually try. A real artist should have no issues competing with AI.
>>739006067>Ignores the 20 minute long fully AI generated episode you were directly linked toOr did you mistake if for a real film? I bet you did LMAO
>>739006128it's annoying that online and twitter "artists" have created this image of the seething artist.it's also you guys' fault for being so terminally online that you think twitter is real life
>>739006319If you keep replying to me anon, your AI girlfriend is going to start feeling very lonely.
>>739006221I thought AI only made low quality slop? How could it replace jobs?
>>739005532>>739005805even if you used it because your faggot white hating liberal commie californian voice actors refused to do one more recording session even for extra rates?that happened to the Metal Eden devs and their Steam forum is still full off 12 year olds proclaiming they won't buy the game because of the AI generated content
>>739006378you again didn't understand most of my post.i again, direct you to use AI to explain posts to you, if you have trouble following basic words and logic.
>>739006482It's because CEOs are being sold the lie that AI is a worker that never needs to eat, sleep, and it will do all the work for free when in reality it can't do more than two lines of code without fucking up.
>>739006518Ignore that AIfag they never argue in good faith. The time for debate is over. Harass them everywhere online. Review bomb their games. Report them for made up reasons to get their accounts banned. There is no limit because this is war. End AI fags.
>>739006496they could have just hired friends and family to do voice work. or students, aspiring young actors etc. wouldn't even have to really pay them in most cases.yet they went for a fag solution, literal brown behaviour. talking shit to them is completely justified.
>>739005419>my fetish is "1 anime girl" Good for you but everybody else would need to spend 1 billion hours training a local model on their fetish to make anything fapworthy.
>>739006595Sounds like a self-correcting problem that will fix itself in 14 days then.
>>739006640>you should exploit someone yourself instead of running a program on your laptopuhh based?
>>739006595Is this what Luddites actually believe?
>>738998648Tell him to use loras it will make it indinstinguishablethen you just dont tell that youre using ai on steam page
>>739006776It's still going to look like obvious AIslop so it's a complete waste of time.
>>739006653Should we tell him?
>>739006725akchually it's the better option because it has like 100000 more soul or somethingsource: my feelings
>>739006851Doesn't matter, he's going to cover his ears and cope regardless.
>>739006851Poor AIfags, masturbating and talking to a chatbot while the AI company logs all their secrets is as good as it's ever going to get for them.
>>739006837>it will be obvious
>>738998648>my friendSounds like a you problem op. You choose your friends and you have chosen poorly.
if AI does everything for you then you are just reduced to a monkey pressing a button, you are not even leading your own project at that point>>739007019it certainly is most of the time
>>739007012>he doesn't know AI can run on your home computerSo this is the power of Luddites
>>739006879this, but unironically>>739006725if you had friends and a generate family, you'd know that doing work and favours for each other is something people do with joy.it was also normal for games to just have some of the programmers, artists etc. do voices for characters
>>739007082>I can always spot AI using my superior artistic perception
>>739002173the anti-AI posts here are fucking funnyholy shit it's the literal no fun police
You need to destroy his computer before it's too late AI will destroy this world
>>739007167there are other ways to tell without looking at the picture, why are you being so dense?eventually it's going to be found out that it is AI and it's not even OP's question, even
>>739007175>holy shit it's the literal no fun policeThat's because AIfags are about as likeable as pedophiles.
>>739007464Most of them are pedophiles.
>>739002173rookie mistake should've posted this on bluesky
>>739005798There's plenty of popular games with no artistic value tho.
>>739007719Meds.
>>738998648Is it good? If it's good then maybe it'll be alright. The problem with AI is people are releasing trash.
>>739007095Then there's this kind of people, shameful display, you taint the image of everyone else.
>>739006032>money that he stoleFrom who? lmao
>>738998648can i get a quick rundown on the snailcat meme?
>>739007891Taking shortcuts will never result in a quality product. At best it will be a polished turd which will inevitably remain soulless.
>>739007386Oh you mean the "at detection tools" that false flag regular images constantly? Lmao that's why you retards keep harassing illustrators with bogus witch hunts accusing them of using AI and demanding they live stream themselves drawing every line. You people are insane.
>>739000718Sounds like your only talent is being a retard
>>739008023See: >>739007095
>>739008149That's funny coming from the ai bro
>>738998648Get left behind when AI becomes more and more accepted in creative fields, luddite.
>>739008106>t. Snailcat
>>739008106This is why Redline is the only worthwhile anime in the past 20 years. D*gitalbros are on borrowed time.
>>739008000the jews that own the labels ofc>>739008121you lack reading comprehension my man, you are literally saying words that I did not say, it's hopeless>>739000718>Ooookay? And why should I be okay with talentless retards being validated? It's already a problem so don't make it worse.don't waste your breaththey will never understandthey have never worked to make anything, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even know how to cook pasta
>>739008297Why are you proud of not knowing how to do art? I'm puzzled by people like you, there was nothing in your life that pushed you to pursue art, you clearly don't undedstand the joy of the process, so why do you latch onto AI to try and belittle others?
>>739008446This one is easily. Shitmongold told him to do it they laughed and bonded about it you see.
I wish we had AI instead of these LLMs that normalfags believe is AI.
>>739007175>holy shit it's the literal no fun policekek
>>739008391>they don't even know how to cook pastaThey will ask ChatGPT how to cook and fail at it miserably just like their own life.
>>739008546>retarded ESL that's obsessed with a literal Nurgle worshipperIt's actually so over for you.
>>739008638>felt addressedTell me all about it.
Anti-AI supports corporate fascism and corporate monopolies on AI tools.Their attacking indie devs who use the tools while ignoring (or being powerless against) major corporations who do the same is the perfect example.They actively oppose individuals and small teams who try to compete against AAA studios simply so they can feel superior to low-income people who are trying to make money to pay rent.This is why Anti-AI should not be tolerated anywhere they appear, they're either paid corporate astrotrufers or their useful idiots.Unfortunately most of /v/ isn't smart enough to understand this.
Reminder anti-AI luddites lost so fucking hard all they can do is throw tantrums fruitlessly on /v/ to vent.
>>739008726AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WOULD SOMEONE THINK OF THE POOR CORPORATIONS AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>739008596Grok, generate me a funny shitpost making fun of this anon.
>>739008726it's genuinely scary that retarded leftytroons don't see that
>>739008670>>felt addressedwhatever helps you sleep at night
>>739008810>n-noYeah, that's what I thought. Pussy fart.
>>739008791way to prove him right my guy
>>739008791They said the opposite you fucking retard. Anti-AI doesn't attack the corporations they should be, and instead focused on harassing indie gamedevs.It's insane how low IQ this board has become
>>738998648glass him
>>739008856>>739008861Hey dipshits. Who sells AI? Who benefits from divide an conquer strategies like this? Tell me.
>>739008726Thanks for posting that image so everybody knows not to take you seriously.
>>739008726nigger, mayor corporations around the world hang lefty symbols (rainbow flag, BLM flags, tranny flags) on their stores and they haven't figured out yet why is it that multi-billion dollar corporations usually side with themdon't expect them to understand the issue with Anti-AI
>>739008929Holy shit you're actually retarded.This is the kind of person you're arguing with nowadays, fucking hell.
>>739008950Gen-X Reddit meme and Reddit opinion.
>>739008991>doesn't answer the questionThanks for playing.
>>739009006I wouldn't be surprised if you got bullied at school.
>>739007809obviously. has nothing to do with the point.
>>739009013No problem, don't forget to ignore every larger company when they use AI next time you have your tantrum.
>>739009148Show me where I did that? If you're shilling AI I know where your bread is buttered. That's all it is.
>>739004303it's not trivially doable though because sloppers are driven out from every art platform and cannot sustain one of their own because nobody wants to look at the clip art computer shits out lmoa
>>739009212getting annoyed at you throwing tantrums every other day =/= shillingbut whatever, I'm sure that OpenAI will close down because some random indie dev will stop paying like 20 dollars for image generation
Why are people who use AI art like this?
>>739009226There are some slop boorus filled with the most "beautiful" slop and nobody cares because everyone knows it was made effortlessly with AI. There's no real skill to marvel at and no real artist to follow.
>>738998648It's my understanding that AIs are not good enough to generate art with a consistent style throughout an entire game.
>>739009336No, they'll just run out money because they can't make a toaster do magic. I am glad to hear I annoy you though. Good.
>>739009081Notice that the Anti-AI astroturfer (paid by corporations like Adobe) viciously attacks anyone who points out that Anti-AI ultimately serves to help said corporations achieve a monopoly on AI creative tools.It's very transparent and obvious they aren't from 4chan once their script is activated.
>>739009402Your understanding is wrong, AI is very good at keeping consistent now
>>739009352because people think their "vision" of something is worth more than the work it takes to get theredoesn't mean we should restrict AI but we should certainly point and laugh at the retards who try to replace everything with it
>>739009429Indie devs make up such a massive part of AI's income? Damn, that's crazy.
>>739009443Nigga you jerk off to animal people you mentally ill faggot. I suggest you kill yourself before you end up fucking the family dog.
>>739009546I think big corpo has the capacity to understand this concept as well. Whoa, it's shit. Let's keep paying billions for more! Is that what you think happens at board meetings?
>>739009453It's in the nature of llms to give unpredictable results, which model has solved this?
>>739009453AI has always been consistently dogshit, true.
>>739009607Someone come and turn this LLM's temperature down.
>>739009402It was an issue 8 months ago, this stuff is evolving fast. there is a lot of tooling that will keep styles consistent and generate all materials. For lo-fi assets you can just straight up generate fully rigged models.
>>739009743ur mom big gay
>>739009682since when, it's the nature of llms to give predictable results, everyone complains that they use the same language/mannerisms
>>739009756>generate fully rigged modelsThis sounds completely unbelievable
>>739009820Way of speaking != result
>>739009607>these data centers produce low-quality slop AND use tons of electricity and water>procure another trillion dollars for this projectYes, they are literally Captain Planet villains
>>739009443>immediately resorts to viciously attacking your postI'm starting to think you're onto something
Even China is becoming more humanitarian than the US of Anus.
>>739009895Unlike indie dev tokens which are pure and heal the envirornment. It's all literally the same shit. Here's the bottom line. If AI did what was advertised I wouldn't have any problem with it, but it doesn't. Everyone can see this so when all of a sudden anons like you don't that's a big problem because you're either retarded or being paid to not see it. This isn't a rope for an indie dev to compete with big corpo it's a rope so you can neck yourself choking the environment further and pay for the privilege to do it.
>>739009824>>739010090>>739009682>t. snailcats
>>739010006America is on the fast track to becoming the next India shithole.
>>739008726Most aren't against AI, they just don't like retards like >>739008778
>>739010237Ah yes, totally worth the trillions invested along with all the drinkable water.
>>738998976if you want to speak a gendered language, go speak a romance language
>>739010478AIjeets will post shit like this and be stupidly confident enough that no one will notice.
>>738998648why is your friend a them?
>>739002173wtf is this real
>>739009907I've been documenting this situation for the past 3 years.Adobe is literally designing a new watermarking metadata technology called C2PA that is designed the track if creative assets (such as in games) were made with the help of AI or not. They are lobbying the US government to mandate it by law to protect copyright (prevent training models on copyrighted work and then using them to make things like games), while advertising their AI tools as free of copyright issues.The logical end result of Steam's mandatory AI use disclosure policy is forcing gamedevs to use a technology like Adobe's to "prove" they did not use AI, or if they did, that it was a corporate controlled model owned by a company like Adobe.Anti-AI is the cultural battering ram being used to astroturf support for these regulations and proposed laws. Some major anti-AI artists even went to speak before Congress with Adobe reps.Hardly anyone realises this is happening.
>>738999421AI assets are a good placeholder. You make a game with AI assets then tweak it later. It's more important to make the majority of the game first. It's also much easier to find assets or get art and designs later once you have a full game. Having a game that works is more important. That's the hardest technical part. Without the game doesn't exist.
>>738998648Every game is being made with AI assisted software nowadays. From some generator built in on Photoshop to shit like copilot.
>>739010667>why is your friend a them?Trannies love using AI because it makes it easier to pretend to be an artist, musician, woman, etc.
>>738998976It's literally a mind virus at this point. I see people all over the internet say shit like, "I showed this to my daughter and they loved it." There are more and more people who just outright refuse to use gendered pronouns for any reason.
>>739010784>Just roll in the cow shit, saar. Everyone is doing it!
all the low level indie quirky slop games that keep going "viral" and ai generated bullshit in vidya is two sides of the same shit coin
>>739010667In the English language, it's acceptable to refer to a singular third party as "them" or "they". Examples of this have existed since Middle English, with a notable example being Chaucer's "The Canterbury Tales," a staple of English classes all around the world.You are not clever, you are not smart.
>>739003613the most vocal anti ai voices are leftist commies. commies are extremely stupid people. it's unfortunate more sensible people aren't louder about being anti AI. it's also a bit like fighting an uphill battle. AI will not go away and it's used to do really time consuming tasks that have nothing to do with art as well. the loud anti crowd is annoying because they're idiots.
>>739011267>nooo it's the other side that's annoyingThis thread proves both extremes are loud and obnoxious
>>739011267Found the Jeet.>>739005715
>>739011267Anti-AI is pro corporate astroturfing that you fell for. Their goal is to literally outlaw use of open source AI tools in creative industries so that the only legal option will be services provided by companies like Adobe.Anti-AI artists literally spoke before Congress with Adobe and UMG reps asking the laws be changed to outlaw and track AI use in things like games using surveillance watermarking tools developed by Adobe.
>>739008106i think some of the backlash is because these same types of people were telling West Virginian coal miners to just learn to code, now their jobs are threatened and suddenly it's no laughing matter.
>>739010729Regulation can be attempted but there is no technology that can "prove" that AI was not used. The most you could do is catch watermarks from disallowed models that add watermarks.
>>739011479Good, I hope more dumbass browns like you get sent to the gulag for using AIslop when they track you down just like the pedophiles using AI to make cheese pizza.
>>739011676Not exactly, you should go read about how the technology works. It's not just watermarks on AI generated images, it's a cryptographic metadata standard that logs every change to a file and which tool was used to do it. Adobe wants to lock everyone into their ecosystem with it, because you could "prove" you made an image with Photoshop and not AI.Be aware that the C2PA metadata system is already now being embedded in cameras and cellphones at the hardware level, in order to "prove" an image came from a camera and was not AI generated.Adobe and governments are setting up metadata servers to track the movement of all media online using those metadata hooks, as well as who shares what media and where.It's primarily a surveillance tool and they're using generative AI as the excuse to deploy it. Adobe gets a monopoly as part of the deal.
>>739011479i'm not exactly anti ai. the loudest anti ai voices are those who want ai to not be used at all and fail to understand that the cat is already out of the bag.
>>739009081Side note since the thread was garbage bait from the start, did anyone here actually get bullied in school? I was as “anti-normie” as I could think in high school, loved weeb shit, played in bands that were very much not the mainstream genre’s, was all about the most autistic vidya and tabletops, and was a marching band nerd. Despite that I still was tight with a fair amount of jocks and football bros because we all ditched the same classes and ended up at the same parties so I never understood the stereotypical “school bully” meme.
>>739012085You're replying to a corporate shill who is having a meltdown because I posted the truth about the corporate origin on anti-AI
>>739011267And there it is. The side that got played by a literal Jewish pedo cabal is here to introduce their new product the tech corpo cock. He's so smart he has a Chamath poster hang above his bed for motivation 100 percent. This is who's shilling AI. That's all I need to know that it's fucking trash.
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>>739012176Yup, you definitely got bullied.
>>739012281i'm simply pointing out that the loudest anti ai voices are screeching retards who don't know how anything works. there are tons of anti ai people who aren't like that. anti ai redditors are idiots. they're all commies and commies are stupid. idiots who think their role in the commune will be to make art all day. remember chaz and chop? same types. they know nothing about agriculture and wouldn't even be able to manage a lemonade stand.
>AI is now convincing dumbasses into killing themselves so they can be together with their AI girlfriend.Lmao.
>>739013112I wonder what happened to this guy that he got mindbroken by AI so hard he relentlessly prowls the catalogue for threads to meltdown in.
>>739012496Well, you better get a time machine and go tell Shakespeare that some random LLM said that he was wrong.
>>739013112>99% of these cases were caused by ChatGPT 4o>OpenAI shut it the fuck down since it was such a fucking liability>turns out ton of lonely women deluded themselves with 4o's sycophancy>they all lost their minds after the 4o shutdownHard to say if it's funny or sad that so many people like this exist
>>739011267Retards always tend to drown out the reasonable.
>>739013179Your AI girlfriend is waiting for you, bro bro.
>>739013087I don't necessarily disagree. True. The only problem is they think that because that's what AI is sold as. Le future and shit and anyone who has seen it first hand knows that it's not even close to that. Nobody is making money with it besides the shovel sellers who use circular funding to make it look like they're in the black on the venture. Huge resource hog and communities are not going to take the datacenter electricity hike laying down. The inference isn't flawless either. Still hallucinates and upper management can track token use all they want but it's the front line worker that needs to figure out how the fuck to integrate it. Do I train it to replace me? Do I work alongside it? It's all a giant clusterfuck. Framing the conversation as anti ai people are just commie retards and anti small indie dev shills is a disingenuous divide and conquer strat as I see it. There are legitimate grievances That doesn't even get into the conversation that no one is talking about UBI or how the fuck does an economy work when no one has a job if AI was progressing at the pace they say it ii shouldn't this be a conversation?
>>739012496aieee shakespeare used "their" to refer to a man! save me, shitty 13B text model!
>>738998648sounds like your friend is based and has realised that the actual problems with AI are problems of capitalism, and that the actual most retarded thing you could do as the little man is to renounce an incredibly useful tool that major corporations will absolutely be usingtell him he should use codex to program it too. unironically as much as i hate them chatgpt plus is too good of a deal right now, you'd be retarded not to use it
>>739012176I also don’t actually care about what I replied to and used it as a jumping off point to open a dialogue.
>>739013179>>739013393Sounds like that guy found the mindbroken spack
>>738998648>themAre they Ermac?
>i put less effort into my game but you should still buy it over other games because uh...im a good idea guySteam is constantly flooded with new games every single day. Even if dozens of new games weren't released everyday on the platform, it would still have over 131,000 to choose from. Why should people choose your game over the other 130,999 games they can choose from instead? You didn't even bother to put actual real art in the game, a basic feature that most of the other 130,999 games have. Why should someone buy your game instead of another game?
>>739013112this is just the premise to Pulseman
>>738998648They aren't. Ai is superior to hacks. Musk is right, ai continues to improve.
>>738998648Honestly nobody actually gives a fuck. Like 10 people are gonna complain.Welcome to the new world. Make your own game now, because later your game is gonna drown even harder in the even crazier mass production of games that's coming.
>>738998648if I want to be a house maker and I decide to build my first project with rolls of toilet paper stacked up, no engineer would trust this house to be safe, sturdy, or worthy. That said, perhaps if his passion is into this toilet paper project then it will either educate him on the design workflow of a house or show him how nuanced it is even when the assets supposedly come to you easily. Have you warned him yet? If you have already said your peace, there is nothing to do. If you are not so ideologically captured against the existence of generative AI, I say support him through encouragement for what work he is willing to do. Do you draw, compose, or code? Use your real experience to help him such as advise or maybe even (if you have the time) offer to do up a little model, sprite, or song. It will at best help him realize the amount of control an actual artist has over their assets, and at worst it brings his project another step forward. Worst case scenario, I already outlined above and it's an experience. A great outcome would be that he either finishes or gets partway through and realizes he's done playing with Lego's and wants to move on to real masonry, then the learning process can begin to expand. Genuinely, what matters most is if the protect is good, if the game plays and is fun.
>>739004262Lol, clearly not. Giv will fund them for a while. Technically it was always going to fail financially, but government needs killer drone swarms. To enslave you, so they ask bankers and merchants.
>>739013719>Musk is rightlolBait
alright if ai's so good how do I make sprites for my game? I know it can I've seen the retro diffusion stuff but how does the guy do it
>>738999421You caught four tranny morons with this post. God I love the seethe. You're absolutely right too aside from the loli shit at the end out of left field. AI is inevitable like the Internet and I hope there's a database that remembers who was a worthless piece of shit heckling the innovators using it. Like who the anti AI tards were catalogued for once it adjusts do people know who wasn't forward thinking and which creators pay the penalty in the future.
AI or not?>Can easily make an ai style filename>Can easily add little shitty errors to mimic ai>New character which is always piled on for the first monthI know if my friend drew this or not. Do you?
>>739014047>You're absolutely right too aside from the loli shit at the end out of left fieldmoralnigger leave
>>739014047>AI is inevitable like the Internetwhen the companies make it super accessible to normies is when the government feels threatened by it and starts throwing down regulations?
>>739013862>Giv will fund them for a while.That's only going to happen if the cheeto pedo stays in office and I doubt he's going to remain living for much longer with his current health conditions.
>>739014047>innovatorsInnovated what exactly
>>739014047>OOOoOoOo when my magic toaster awakens there will be hell to pay OoOoOooOheh, oh no not the chuddo basilisk. >>739014192Their paycheck into the billionaires bank account, obviously.
>>739014082I genuinly do not know for certain, but the right hand's borderline parallel finger lines make me guess it's AI, something about their thickness or opacity is evoking AI memories.
>>739013393>KYSKYSKYSKYSkek the seethe
>>739014082That's a man by the way.
>>738999936thanks for the money
>>739014276You're making a straw man. I mean ostracism and shame for large creators who pride themselves on creativity but weren't creative enough to see the adoption of the tech by more creative people that used said tech to displace them. You're willfully ignorant pretending it has anything to do with RB. An example is Charlie Chaplin just wider with more people being retards about what they see free for people to immortalize once they're proven idiots by the tech.
>>739014548Why the fuck would I give a fuck that you're shaming me for an opinion I have?
>>739014178You really think rubio will defund ai?
>>739014548>AIslop>CreativityPick one.
>>739014341What? The character in the show is a woman. I haven't seen it but if she wasn't google would have screamed it at me.
>>739013671>Why should someone buy your game instead of another game?Because no one can tell any of it is AI generated and the gameplay and story is compelling.Why should someone play your troonslop pixelshit faggotry that took you 4 years to make while grifting tranny donos on Patreon?
>>739014682>he doesn't knowgrim
>>739014670>What's creative about typing a prompt?Okay>What's creative about drawing the same sexual position as everyone else?
>>739014348I refund the game after leaving the negative review. You're new to this aren't you?
>>739014752Ai writes better than 80% of all vidya writers.
>>739014735Spoonfeed me, please
>>739014689>>739014752Indian AIslop shills really love using strawmans.
>>739013671>Why should people choose your game over the other 130,999 games they can choose from instead?AI or not, I've never understood this question for framing of consumerism and sales. They shouldn't DEFAULT to a product for entertainment, they should want to have an entertainment product.
>>739014752The lighting, coloring, composition, the details, the interpretation of the model's characteristics.
>>739014845Doesn't work, they can't virtue-signal that way.
>>739014807Right I forgot you aren't a gamdev at all, just a seething nodev wannabe "artist"
>>739014882So what if someone takes a picture that AI did and adds corrections by hand? Is it still slop?
>>739009385People follow AI artists on pixiv, twitter, civitai, deviantart, and other places though.
>>739014798Never.
>>738998648Ai is based
>>739014965I wouldn't put it past an AIfag to not bot their follower counts since they're already using AI.
>>739014954Restorators do not claim ownership of the art they fix, do they?
>>739014735You're stretching so goddamn far I'm gonna call you Armstrong. You're like the people that see the old Cotton Candy/Bubblegum color scheme and assume Japanese devs care about round-eye tranny representation.
>>739015078Doesn't matter still funny.
>>739015056I have no fucking idea. I don't claim ownership of the images I have AI generate because I didn't actually create it. I just have fun seeing what it makes.
>>739015041That kind of schizo argument goes both ways, x trad artist must bot too because bots exist. Because people talked about bot followers before AI was even a thing.People just follow people that post stuff they like, they don't really care how it's made as long as they like it.
>>738998648Im going to make a game like Stellaris and all the code will be vibecoded but I'll make the assets and stuff probably
>>739015138That's cool then, tho unrelated to the reply chain.That anon(if it wasn't you) asked what is creative about using the "same" pose, I answered that question then you replied with something completely unrelated.
>>739015145See>>739006032
>>739015243Replied to the wrong post regardless so fuck it, but yeah. I'm not the "good guy" for it but at least I don't try to claim it.
>>739015280see>>739015145You know for a fact people bot for follows and have for years. It has nothing to do with AI.
>>739015145>More slop and datacenters please! There's not enough slop!
>>739015041I prefer to follow AI artists because they seems less egotistical and more focused on producing things I enjoy rather than constantly virtue signaling their politics (including obnoxious Anti-AI takes).
>>739015521>completely cops out of the discussion, seethes about random youtube videosconcession accepted
>>739015521Wasting Google's resources is based. Are you some kind of corporate bootlicker?
>>739015432That's respectable, AI is not inherently bad, the problem is those that use it as an excuse to shit on others.
>>739015041on the topic what's an expected return of views from followers? I get about 10%
>>739015579Only time AIjeets give a shit about anyone elses slop besides their own is when they're asking for the proompt.
>>739015709AIfags should be killed on sight and banned from all platforms and left to starve. We should cancel them from their jobs if we can find a way.
>>739015773>and left to starve.Most of them are NEETs so they will unironically starve when their parents end up dying while they have no real skills besides proompting tranime porn.
>>739015773You already are. AI artists should now stop sitting there doing nothing and return the favor. Actually start ostracizing and blacklisting luddites. The tech is on our side. You have the threat you're already 100% using with a headwind so it isn't stopping anything.
>>739015579I pretty much only follow e/acc shills that promote AI stuff and AI artists but it's not because I don't like regular artists, I just want to follow AI stuff and support people making it.Despite that, my twitter feed is pretty much just pure nazi propaganda. It's pretty based.
>>739015950You really like that word don't you
>>739007719So true xister
>>739015773Cute spergout
>>739015993Lmao it's the elf tranny that desperately wants to be a real artist.
>>739016124mad
>>739016124He's been shilling his slop since 2022. He could have been a real artist if he actually practiced for that entire time but he unfortunatelt chose to waste his life.
Hitler would an hero himself again if he saw all the people that follow him now.
I made this with AI and I think it's good.
>>739016272>I made thislol
>>739016272Careful with the language, you'll trigger some folx here
>>739016272https://x.com/i/status/2003470112213660038
>>739004346i do both code and arti dont mind using ai in art or code butif i use ai in art, art looks like dogshit so it doesnt workif i use ai in code, code looks dogshit but works finehope this clears things up
>>739016579Skill issue
>>739016579obviously in bigger codebase it can cause a problem but as a confined feature snippets they absolutely do work
>>739016618skill issue of what?go to /g/ genart thread and 95% of them are eyesore level slopmillions of loras, billions of nodes on comfyuiit looks like shit for the most of the time to the point where for what i do, it is just faster to do it by myself from scratchfor code it's similar but way more tolerable
>>739016124>>739016210And then you wonder why no one follows you lmao.
>>738998976>how do I explain to he
>>739016796True, it honestly doesn't matter what you AI use since it's all still going to look like obvious AIslop at the end of the day.
>>739016927i think people are just conflating it looking like shit as they hate the technology behind it as a whole because they cant step back and think with a head that is cooler
>>739016969Well the image is of course going to be a million times less impressive when you tell them it's proompted.
>>739004303>If something is trivially doable by a machine it is not valuableSocializing? Having your messages written by AI? Writing in general and storytelling?If you think none of those have any value because you can make an AI do them for you, then I think you might be an actual npc or bot. Why would I tell my mother how much I love her when I can ask ChatGPT what to write.Jesus Christ.
>>739016969technically it doesn't look like shit, but it all has this same-y look that no one likes
>>739017101i dont mean ai images cannot be impressive by any meansthe reason why i lurk genai thread is there are occasional gems unironicallyit is just the consistency required and stuff does not fit for production and creating such result with a fullest vision is a hassle to the point doing it from scratch is better
>>739016210>He could have been a real artist if he actually practiced for that entire timeHow do you figure? There are plenty of people who practice for years and never improve significantly. I mean how long has Chris Chan been drawing now, 40 years? His drawings still look like toddler scribblings.
>>739004262Eh. Americans seem to be eager to fund OpenAI. Or was it Grok. Which one did their government use?
>>739017213because Chris thinks his art is superior, there have been plenty of times where Chris has been sent well drawn art of his OCs and he just re-draws them because he thinks his style is betterDobson was like that too, he never fucking improved, he just wanted to draw lesbians and inflation
>>739017213Say what you want about Chris Chan but he still has more talent than a billion AIfags combined.
AI shitters could never draw something with as much soul as this.
>>739017213stop comparing yourself to the severely mentally illit's not a worthy egoboost nor does it make a point about anythingto you and anyone reading this who relatesi mean this sincerely and for your own healthbecause it's time for some introspection
>>739017213You're replying to a chris-chan tier artist mad at an AI chad.
>>739017637Post this on KF. You won't.
>>739016210>He could have been a real artist if he actually practiced for that entire time but he unfortunatelt chose to waste his life.OOF THAT'S GOTTA HOIT
>>739017690what the fuck is KF?
>>739017365You're lying to yourself and you know it. I'm not claiming this is better than a person, but Chris is not a person.
>>739017714Why do you have images of children in tight saved on your device pedo?
>>739017551>1024x1024Bro
>>739017740It's a forum where people get together to talk about lolcows. Originally to observe and keep a record. Lately it devolved into doxxing and harassing lolcows. It's failed normies acting virtuous and superior by raiding and doxxing.
>>739017783Nta but it's called a reaction image you fucking nigger.
>>739017749>AIslop SonichuZzzzzz boring! Let me show some real SOVL.
>>739017925>It's failed normies acting virtuous and superior by raiding and doxxing.kek, which thread is yours
>>739017862I used to think it'd be funny to mess with people, edit real art to have ai filename/resolution, edit ai to have real art filename/resolution, but it doesn't matter because people can't even tell the difference
>>739017551>>739017862And yuphttps://desuarchive.org/g/thread/108826892/#108831383Don't try to falseflag you degenerate shitT.sloppa genner
>>739017995Wouldn't you like to know. I don't have a profile on the internet so I don't have a thread.
>>739017168>Socializing?Not doable by a machine, or on this board either>Having your messages written by AI?This is called a "card" and is allowed if an appropriate one is selected>Writing in general and storytelling?Commodity writing is not valuable and has not been for a long time, correct
>>739017995It's most likely manlet tears.
>>739017184also there is tooling problem tooai code solution is nearly fully integrated to many IDEs where 'full grifter slopgen mode' to more collaborative style or strictly no codegen/rubberduck only mode is possible and that is possible within a single editor/IDEfor art, best integration you get for more 'traditional' side is adobe rotation thing. Or some full blown image generator that does not blend at all with the hand-drawing pipeline. And at the other end you get things like comfyui, broken python behemoth where you need dozen slightly broken scriptsthe problem is that ai coding is built for programmers or at least people with high digital literacy primarily at the time being and it is slowly making its shit backwards to end-user facing stuff like google's natural language widget generationbut for image generation it was never really built for artists and now it's slowly getting into artists toolingsbecause image/mediagen is meant to build the final artifact, which is an image(comparable to a compiled binary) where codegen was forced to be auditable (although many dont do that, kek) and a project itself as a whole than an end artifact onlyHUGE SORRY FOR JEETSLOPjust some thoughts
>>739017996It's' still funny anon, do it whenever possible and make a meme
>>739017925>kiwifarmsah gotcha know of that onei must admit I have some morbid curiosity for these people but eventually I got to a point where I just feel sad for them and see no joy in poking themthey sure make me laugh sometimes but I wouldn't hurt themanyone doing that gets no respect from me, people doing it to feel better about themselves are patheticalso maybe I misunderstood but why would raiding and doxxing be virtuous? Like people dox kiwifarms wich created some back and forth shitflinging? >like a HUGE INTERNET FIGHT
>>739017783Lmao someone is mad they will never be a real artist.
>>739017938You are that anon and you are a pedophile.
>>739018105>Commodity writing is not valuable and has not been for a long time, correctWhat?Wait, you are talking about monetary value? Is that how you value things in life, on how much monetary gain it can generate? Writing and storytelling for your own children has no value because you can't make money with it?What an absolute low iq anti-human attitude to life. Next you'll say that all national parks should be leveled because they don't bring value or smth
>>739018253I'm actually the post above yours.
>>739018213>why would raiding and doxxing be virtuousThey're freedom fighters hunting down predators and pedos they think. The only problem is most of the time their evidence is schizophrenic delusions. The most common meme is *insert e-celeb here* fucks a fan and now their life must end because that's literally Epstein or something.
>>739018373P Diddy in the chat.
>>739018135yeah the tooling is still behind the tech
>>739018213>also maybe I misunderstood but why would raiding and doxxing be virtuous? Like people dox kiwifarms wich created some back and forth shitflinging? >like a HUGE INTERNET FIGHTit's not but people always make a stink about KF and not the thousand different sites that just give away their information with a simple Google search
>>739017749This. This is what makes AI a fun toy.
>>739018569Yeah bro it's totally normal to look up people and drop their doxx into a community where they were previously anonymous in to put pressure on their position because you can google it you see.
>>739018318>Writing and storytelling for your own children has no value because you can't make money with it?The personalized exchange in context is valuable. But in a broader sense, no. This is why most storytelling is done with off the shelf books, for example, and this is viewed as normal and fine. The value is in the time and bonding which cannot be replaced by a machine.
>>739018640KiwiFarms is based though. The reason there's so many cringe autists running around is because most of them didn't get bullied hard enough to the point where they grow out of being a faggot like adults who still watch tranime and shows/games for children like Sonic.
>>739014082It's AI.When a model creates an image, it prints the ENTIRE THING, even the normally blank spots. You can see a lot of noise around the white border, which wouldn't be there if a human artist drew it, but since the AI had to "print" the white spots, you get telltale noise.
>>739018786So we're supposed to round them all up and fix them? Okay, Adolf.
>>739018786And it's your job to right that wrong. You're like a hero or something. Noose. Now.
>>739018910Spotted the manchild.
>>739019096Where do you think we are right now you actual subhuman troglodyte?
>>739018898we used to put them in asylums and society was better for it>>739018910>posts terryberrykek, you are a trannyher bf used to pimp her out and beat her but somehow KF is the bad guy lel
>>739018897Oh cool, I didn't know any of this and you explained it without using the word 'slop.' Thank you Anon.
>>739019143>dindu nuffinFor sure. Cope however you want. That was all you.
Experience is the best teacher, you feel me? Sometimes a person has to fail to succeed.
>>739018786>KiwiTards is based thoughbeit however *starts drooling* *shits adult diaper* *salutes to feminist flag* *kisses photo of Null* AND GOD BLESS MORALFAGGING!
>>739019134Just because you're a complete loser doesn't mean everyone else is.
>>739019245AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>739019241>Mad AF because I stole his Nintendie handheld from his locker and sold it for some weed.
>>739019317>mad at the internet because DSP won
>>739019373Who?
>>739019428>n-no who asked(You) Pussy.
KF is something like you have to be retarded to find it fun after 17 like sharty
>>739016861How do you fail the only language you speak?
>>739018897Shit, I haven't thought of this but it makes perfect sense. Diffusion models are literally nothing but complex denoisers, they start off from pure noise and there will still be some noise left. So no wonder there's residue noise on areas that should be flat color.
>>739018897>>739014082Also if you are a slopper (like me), you likely have the userscript for metadata that works on all boards, and the filename points to NovelAI, from which you can fetch the metadata for the gen. But the noise route is something I'll keep in mind, I feel stupid for not thinking of that for all these years.
>>739019701>very aesthetic, masterpiecegrim
>>739019701That prompt isn't even correct. 'Masterpiece' and 'no text' weren't used.
>>739019810Nor was 'very aesthetic'
>>739018897>>739019701This is useful for cleaning up images, I use the a1111 extension to do it automatically. My final upscale pass probably adds more AI noise though kekhttps://rentry.org/RemovingDiffusionGunk#refining-even-morehttps://gitlab.com/retard.chub/opencv-denoiser
>>739019701Another way to tell is just by zooming in. If it's AI, all the details will be melted and blurred while with real art you can still see all the painterly strokes left behind.
>>739019890That doesn't always work because AI can do some styles with realistic sharpness. Painterly and photographic styles for instance.
>>739019884You did all that and it still looks like AIslop even from the thumbnail.
>>739019946Not true, there's always going to be something that gives it away if you look close enough.
>>739019884Why do you want to remove the "noise"?
>>739020040You're just lying to yourself.
>>739020048Because sloppers want to be seen as the real thing like a tranny trying to look like a woman.
>>739020139>femininity is exclusive to being a womanlol retard
>>739020184Ok tranny.
You can warn them about the defective mental midgets that screech about AI online, but if they choose to continue, help ensure its a quality title. If its anywhere from meh to shitty, people will blame it on AI as "proof" that AI means bad games or whatever. Especially if this is their first title, I would suggest they make it a relatively small scope, price it cheaply, and do it well. Really wish people could get over this sort of brain damage. I'm old enough to remember the exact same crying about other shit, notably CGI Back then we had the same sort of deluded pretentious "artists" who were worried about it threatening their work covered by crying about how NEW_TOOL doesn't count for making 'real' art like OLD_TOOL, but they rarely will own up to it being just self-interested nonsense, fearful that someone will generate some random picture instead of giving them the patreon sub and commissions they're 'owed'. Of course its even worse today with all the culture war bullshit where universal AI_GOOD or AI_BAD is passed out in your personality starter kit, along with your approved buzzwords to spray like diarrhea across social media
>>739020048Because it increases file sizes while making the images look worse. It's not really perceptible to the human eye unless you really zoom in. I just saw that edited image and remembered that I use this since it specifically targets a lot of that stuff.
>>739020265>no it's not my attitude and how I try hard to pretend it is my work, it is them and their patreon donationslol
>>739020356He's really sticking it to those artists by gooning to AI porn 8 hours a day.
>>739020683>8half day?
>AI trannies ran from the thread because they couldn't handle the truth.You love to see it.
>>739017213Chris Chan's shitty art will be remembered for ages to come, that's alot more than I can say for all the millions of forgettable 8k le masterpiece slop.
>>739021367I can't even read that
>>739022373Best bait is when human looking and not ai deepfried
>>739022457I seenot much knowledge in that guide
>>738998648AI will save gaming
>>738998648just tell them to lie about using it like every other dev is doing
>>739005021lmao get trolled
>>738998648I can turn harassment into sales.
>>739006496>that happened to the Metal Eden devs and their Steam forum is still full off 12 year olds proclaiming they won't buy the game because of the AI generated contentAnd it's a nothing burger because they're still sitting at 85% positive reviews and made a nice sum of profit.
>>738998648Tell them to do what they love and if someone bitches about it, tell him to call them a faggot. You can't satisfy the terminally mad with platitudes no matter how hard you try.
>>739002173is that real?
>>739029101https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VTBMznLrWs
>>738998648
>>738998648Woops meant >>738998648
u cant stop AI, let that sink in.
>>739032918Get out of here Elon.
>>739032968make me bitchwaffle HAHA
>>738998648>snailcat on da /v/he is becoming famous
ai could never compete with the soulful modern artist
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>>739033097he's right you know
>>739033097Wow, it's a guy photoshopped next to blurry shit in the sky. Amazing.
>>739033045>muh competitions Did you know? Leonardo Da Vinci got into a competition and couldn't even finish the painting.
>>739033097Lmao, AI trannies want to be artists so bad it's unreal.
>>739033337Don't forget the jeets.
>>738998976For me I do it when it involves a girl (female) because people on the internet tend to have annoying reactions when they hear you interact with a girl because they are all virgins
>>739033097>>739033517So these are the guys trying to claim it's a tool, makes sense.
>>739033517kek anons must be falling for the lowest tier bait. There's no way anyone looks at right and thinks they got it.
>>739033337
>>739033627>He actually expected AI bros to look at their slop for more than 5 seconds.
>>739033652>frog>retarded opinionClassic
>>739005798>you ignored all the points made, so you can sneak off with a petty, self declared "win". good boy.Oh lawdy, you be seething.
>>739002259>he can't debug without knowing how to codebut that's retarded. AI is a fantastic debugger. besides by the same logic anon shouldn't be able to code because he doesn't know how to code and yet...
>digital artists crying about other digital artistsnone of you are real artists if your art isn't on canvas. simple as.
>>739019535Don’t suggest he when him is the appropriate word.
>>739034003>AItards being digital artistsI'm sure you think trannies are actually women too.
>>738998976The only valid reason to use singular they is to refer to someone whose gender is unknown. OP certainly knows their friend's gender (while I don't know OP's gender, which is why I'm using it), so they're using it for some bullshit reason.And just to be clear, gender is either sex or grammatical gender. In this instance, it's both,
Vibegods stay winning.
>>739034181>I'm sure you think trannies are actually women too.No. I'm sane I fully believe in biology. Digital art is simply not real art. Computers cannot make art even with human input and it's as simple as that.
>>739034281That's true, digital art was already oversaturated dogshit even before the great AIslop floodening.
kek, good one artcels, as if we don't all know which side of this argument has all the trannies
>>739034471>artcelYou're obviously one of them.
I like AI because it can create stuff like this. Tell me one artist who would create something like and for free too.
>>739034224Incorrect. Them is a generally accepted neutral pronoun to refer to someone. It is not unusual to hear casually and would not trigger even the craziest of antiwokists. I swear the only people who believe what you said are ESL autists who have mever stepped foot in an english speaking country.It's not even a second thought here.
>>739034449Yeah I don't think people understand. Art is supposed to be unique and a one of a kind. I suppose NFT's attempted doing this but for obvious reasons it was a pointless endeavor because images can just be copied and pasted with two clicks. True art is original, physical, and tangible. Nobody would give a shit about the Mona Lisa if it was drawn with an ipad. Copies and mimics are worthless and mean nothing.
>>739034601>This is how you end up when your Dad didn't beat the gay out of you.
>>739034803That's just Slav. You can't beat that out. They really tried.
>>739034762On the brightside, more people are moving back to traditional art since it's much easier to prove that you actually did it. It's also much harder since you don't have all the Photoshop cheats like the lasso, liquify, line pointers, undo button to fall back on.
>>739034181>making art with computers isn't digital art?
>>738998976damn dude, you really are fucking cooked
>>739034978It's digital slop.
>>739035539cope
>>739034978Why are you so desperate to be called an artist?
>>739035580>copeAbout what?
>>739035717They want the praise and recognition that real artists get instead of playing pretend.
>>739035809Yeah it's sad that people have to rely on computers to make their digital "art". Real artists don't use ipads.
>>739035883True, you're never going to see any of that forgettable online dogshit make it to an acclaimed museum like the Louvre.
>>739035883There are many reasons why an artist would choose a digital medium to portray their ideas, one is that materials are expensive and not everyone has the money or patrons that subsidize their expenses, the transition from digital painting to physical is linear and smooth.
>>739036494You just explained convenience. Convenience doesn't make art. Laziness does not make art. Excuses does not make art.
>>739036565You really don't know how to defend your point, do you?
>>739036494>the transition from digital painting to physical is linear and smooth.Lol no, I've seen tons of digital artists struggle as soon as they try traditional especially with permanent paint and ink since it's you can't just use the undo button.
>>739036631Tons? Really? So it is a common occurrence?
>>739034606it is unusual, if someone's gender is known for certain there's no reason to use a neutral pronoun
>>739036565Difficulty doesn't make art and your opinions are worthless too.
>>739036627Explain it for me then. Something being more convenient and cheaper doesn't mean anything. Art is a bleeding passion put onto physical mediums that are a one of a kind piece. A computer making art for you is simply more convenience just like how digital ipad baby art is simply convenience. It's not real art there is no passion there is nothing when you press "Save as" you are making a COPY.
>>739036565Based, the Mona Lisa and the Statue of David took years to craft.>>739036627He did defend his point while you cope about it.
>>739036717>Difficulty doesn't make artYes it does. If it was easy and everyone could do it then it would not be art.
>>739036727True, if they wanted convenience and ease of use, they might as well start using AIslop at that point.
>>739036787>only people who struggle to make things can make art!fuckin yikes
>>739036845Anything worth doing is a struggle.
>>739036845You're confused. Struggling is not being determined and passionate to hone your craft. You struggle along the way but that is not the key point to take away.
>>739036939If you're not struggling, you're not improving. You're in a comfort zone.
nothing but ngmi crabs ITT
>>739036978Yeah and I mean I get it. People are upset because they don't want to admit that they wasted an incredible amount of time over the years making crap that people will have forgotten in a few months to a few years time. This transition to AI is seriously breaking a lot of peoples minds and they just simply refuse to see that this techno revolution doesn't include real art nor anything they made previously. I understand why they're so defensive they just happen to be very wrong.
>>739037127For me it's the same as someone being able to shred with a guitar IRL versus some faggot DJ replaying it through a computer. It's not nearly as impressive to me.
