>Get yourself killed!
>You have a heart of bronze... don't let them take it away from you.
>>739014762Ive always wondered wtf that shit on his chest was, early stages of the curse? But i thought andre could never hollow because of his undying passion for smithing
>>739014910it's a mastectomy - he used to be Andrea
>>739014910They look like burn scars which kind of makes sense for a smith I guess.
>>739014910Burn scars, he is smithing without an apron after all
>This land SUCKS! It's inhabitants NIGGERS!
>>739016546She didn't say that. But she could've.
>>739014910he got his nipples burned off by the first flame
>>739014762When the flame is extinguished, and I mean FULLY extinguished not being an Age of Dark, and the world reverts back to that timeless state of endless forest and unchanging dragons, is it possible for another flame to reappear?
I talk, you no talk!
>>739018483NoReason: No
>Evil AndrePrithee be carelessI want to see my work squandered
>>739014762>Want to see you go hollow
>Should Gavlan be in posession of a wheel, he'll be willing to make a trade.>Gavlan would like to obtain souls. A great, great quantity of souls.
>>739014762HUE HUE HUEYOU MISSED THAT ONETRY ANOTHER!
>>739014762If you kill him you are evil.
>>739018483>When the flame is extinguished, and I mean FULLY extinguished not being an Age of Dark, and the world reverts back to that timeless state of endless forest and unchanging dragonsThis would never happen
>>739014762>Both of us want to see you go hollow!
Damn the sun!
>>739022495cant he just respawn at a bonfire? Nothing in these games makes any sense
>>739025321In theory none of the NPC deaths do any lasting damage. Even the ones that hollow will keep coming back. Maybe a few like the Darkmoon Knightess who aren't explictly indicated to be undead
>>739022495Not my fault the game stuck a unique item behind his dead body. I will have it, and no, I don't intend to actually use it.
>You can keep it... that thing... your heart of gold...
>>739014762Peak character design, now all we get is gay loser worm guys or other cringe retarded (wow so weird) fantasy bullshit because Retards love slurping colorful quirky fantasy garbage poop, so everything has to be gay and cringe.
>>739014910Burn scars
>>739025081>Use this, to summon one another as spirits, cross the gaps between the worlds, and engage in gloomy co-operation!
>>739025321Andre seems to be a god and not human since he lasted through the epochs until Dark Souls 3's time. Depends on if Patches is the same character across 1 and 3, as in literally the same guy from DS1 to DS3 and he's been alive for an impossibly long time by the sheer willpower of being an asshole and hating clerics.
>>739018483Fire happened before, fire can happen again.
>>739022495But I need his hammer for my weapon collection alongside the ones I already got from Vamos and the giant blacksmith
>>739025948He just really likes smithing, he's as undead as everybody else just very motivated
>>739026191It's why I brought up Patches, DS3 also says DS2 has happened and Lothric was built literally on top of Drangleic the same way Drangleic was built on top of Lordran. Andre has been around a very very very very very long time if that's the case and the only other guy that's around that long would be Patches since he isn't a successor character like Siegward is to Siegmeyer.
>do you think love can bloom even on a battlefield?
>>739025948Patches is a pure soul. 100% dedicated to being an asshole. Lapp shows that if he lost that, he'd have went hollow long, long ago. We had to remind him of his true calling.
>>739026291>>739026465Patches in DS1 is great in that if he comes back to firelink he talks mad shit about everyone like he’s an old gossipy Slavic granny. Truly a bruv
>>739018483Ds3 implies the Ages are cyclical, but I doubt that it would be the same sort of age. It may be impossible to go back to the nothingness of the age of Dragons. I'd say it's more likely that an age of Life/Death would ensue, as they are another axis to the age of Fire(light) and the age of Dark.
>>739025081If only I could be so beautifully dark!
>>739026956Didn't Dark Souls 1 establish the idea of this cycle? As in, hollow rises up, fucks bitches, sets himself on fire, and then more hollows will follow? Thus creating the cycle? Or did DS3 specifically imply that that fire would extinguish, but a fire just as strong as the one Gwyn looted was found and that's the beginning of thcycle?
>>739025925>oh...I guess i will help.
>>739025948>>739026291>>739026465I feel like Patches is fully self-aware of his predicament as a human, and is entirely committed to survival. Because of that, he's able to perpetually sustain himself: Use his cunning to kill and rob people through traps, sell that gear for more souls, use those souls to sustain him, and use the challenge of creating traps to keep his sanity. It's really the best system available to him. That's also why he asks you not to take it personally when you survive. As long as he knows you're too cunning to fool, he has no reason to antagonise you.
>>739026692>From didn't add in the cut Artorias voice lines for the Dark Souls remasterliterally why
Ashen one, seek seek lest.
>>739027560Decided against saying Artorias still has a shred of sanity left to him
>>739027384Das 1 implied you could become Gywn and renew the age of fire, or walk away and usher in darkness. Das2 introduced the idea of cycles because it's the most interesting way to keep it in universe. Das 2 did a lot right in hindsight and if we got a remake to put the original lighting back in and smooth out the gameplay (no perfect tracking lizards please...) it would be from's magnum opus
Do you have any games on your phone?
>>739027384If I remember right the idea of a cycle was established in later games because the game takes place in the 1 age of fire and the age of dark that comes after is supposed to be “the age of man”. >>739026956I’ve always felt the same and thought of it as a “Pandora’s box” situation where since light/dark/death have basically been created now it’s impossible to get rid of them
>>739026692The Lautrec line is weird, since I'm not even sure it's possible for Patches to say it before Lautrec's long gone. I assume it's just an artifact of things being changed at some point in the game's development, but I've always found it jarring.
>>739027384Dark Souls 1 is about the perpetuation of a system beyond its natural lifespan, and how the actions taken to sustain it ultimately ruin everything about it. From my understanding, there is no guarantee of a return to the Age of Fire in DS1, and it may very well be that the actions taken to extend the Age of Fire have resulted in an extra-ruinous Age of Dark.Dark Souls 3 introduces, through the Fire Keeper Eyes, that whilst an Age of Dark is inevitable, embers will one day spring up in the dark, heralding an eventual new Age of Fire. The eyes were likely plucked explicitly for that reason; if the people knew that the Age of Dark was temporary, they wouldn't be so invested in keeping the Age of Fire alive, so those in power hid the truth.
I WANT TO PLAY DeS AGAIN>>739027601
>>739027763Dark Souls 3 ends in a gray waste with the only living things left are hollows and a dragon warrior once you return to the boss arena.The cycle of fire and fading is one, but once it weakens and the flame can no longer be lit, there is just the age of gray like the beginning of Dark Souls 1 where it was just everlasting dragons chilling without end.
>>739014762>attack Andre>he grabs your head and smashes it into the anvil with his hammerWhat the FUCK was his problem.
>>739027990>attack AndreI mean, just look at the guy. Just fucking take one look at him. You think he's the kind to take niggerdom sitting down?
Gwyn was right. It's our job to keep the torches of civilization lit.
>>739028175>We need to slam energy drinks so we can be productive for our masters.
>>739027939It's meant to mark the end of civilization and a return to the chaos of nature. It's a bad end brought about in the pursuit of one's liberty.
>>739027740Something about ds2’s visual design has always made aesthetically my favorite. Not in the graphical or textures (especially after the lighting engine gutting) but in armor, weapon, enemy, and the bigger zone set piece design. I’ve never been able to quite narrow it down or explain why
>>739028175>AIIIEEEE WE CAN'T LET THE AGE OF DARK COME TO PASS>does literally everything in his power to piss off dark
>>739028229>slamming energy drinks>not railing lines of crushed up adderall
>>739028229Nobody ever said maintaining civilization is easy. The Gods in Dark Souls sacrifice their very souls to keep it afloat, let alone Gwyn.
>>739018483No, we will enter heat death of the universe where nothing happens because I said so
>>739028339Simply because the Dark is always there. It's also much stronger than Light. You should always strive to fight it to keep the beacon lit for future generations.
>>739028261It's an inevitable end because of exhausting the first flame artificially. There are no bad endings in souls games, just different ideologies and none of them are perfect.
>>739025321How come dying and reloading the area takes like 30 seconds, but if you sit at a bonfire then the area will reload in like 2 seconds flat. What's up with that?
>>739028450Gwyn's most interesting because he FUCKING HATED his counterbalance in a way that Nito and the WoI did not share, those two understood they were opposites but still related to the same process and were cool with eachother, Gwyn embodying Light actively persecuted and hunted down Dark while Dark never seems to have held anything against Light
>>739014762Is this a Monster Hunter Wilds screenshot?
>>739028471The products of the First Flame is in of itself artificial. Artificiality was never a point against keeping it alive.
>>739026326>left to right
>>739028543>actively persecuted and hunted down Dark while Dark never seems to have held anything against LightThis is false. The Dark is a much more insidious part of the nature of Flames in Dark Souls. It is not only omnipresent but it can also never be extinguished, it also resides in every soul of Man and is also unpredictable. Gwyn did the only move he can to ensure any mote of survival against it.
>>739028325I know what you mean. It feels perfectly medieval fantasy. Not too over the top, but grounded and "believable". Not every set, but a lot of them. It helps with the colour tones they used for the game as well. Most of my favourite sets are in DS2
>>739027740>most interesting way to keep it in universe.It's kind of the only way to keep it interesting if you ask me.
>>739028175Gwyn doesn't give a FUCK about humans, aside from controlling and manipulating them to maintain his status quo. His entire legacy is shooting himself in the foot trying to keep his people in power. There's a reason there is no humans in power in the court of Anor Londo aside from Smough, a fanatically devoted man whose entire job was killing his bretheren (and even ate them for personal enjoyment.
>>739028543Nito secluded himself into is domain without a care on running the Age of Fire. Witch of Izalith was too concerned into researching Pyromancy and Chaos Magic. It was only ever Gwyn that was trying to keep everything above water because the inheritors of the Flame were too pre-occupied on their own things, either out of apathy, obsession or resignation.
>>739028662Yeah man it was completely necessary for him to corral humanity into megacities with fantastically high walls, put a fire seal on the Dark Soul and all humanity that came from it resulting in the total collapse of civilization (a great many times) with the Undead Curse, and for him to throw himself into the First Flame to artificially extend the age of gods.
>>739028797Gwyn doesn't have to give a fuck about Man. He doesn't give a fuck about anything but keeping the Age of Fire going since it was the best thing to ever happen in the universe. It's not his job as the monarch to care, only to survive.
>>739028891When the end of the world resides in humanity, yes it's necessary to actually inhibit that part of them. You have to put yourself in the shoes of Gwyn.
>>739028325>>739028714For me its the opposite. While DS2 has some good ideas, I just don't like its aesthetic. It feels like it went in too different of a direction compared to DS1 and DS3 and lost something.
>>739028557The first flame lit on its own. It should go dark on its own. Keeping it going artificially exhausts the world until it turns gray.
>>739028891Most of the other Gods literally gave up but Gwyn never did. He stood there vigilant despite being already in a weak, parryable state like some chump mob.
>>739028891Oh also the slippery definition of "gods" as Dark Souls understands it, almost always used in reference to Gwyn's progeny and to his higher citizenry or military personnel like Artorias and Ornstein, theoretically it should be used for the Finito in DS2 as immediate progeny or creations of Nito as well as the Witch of Izalith's daughters (these ones actually are referred to as "deific" or godly by themselves) and most anything created by the Dark Soul or its domain of the Abyss.>>739028979Gwyn's a Zeus expy and as such is more than willing to do some really fucking stupid things to ensure his perch on Mt. Olympus I mean Anor Londo isn't contested, including blasting twelve shotguns into his foot because he thought he saw a humanity crawling up his leg.
>>739029080No. The promethean destiny of the Flame was for the Gods to conquer nature, not be beholden to it like they were at the time of the Everlasting Dragons.
>>739014762Can we stop with the soul slop and go back to making King's Field? A King's Field game with keyboard and mouse would be one of the best game ever. Roll slop can take a break.
>>739029167*reality falls apart*tHe DeTeRmInIsM oF tHe GoDs
>>739028543>while Dark never seems to have held anything against LightKaathe and the Sable Church make up the villains of Dark in the series.
>>739029107Gwyn is a Zeus expy in that he is a patriarch and uses lightning. Zeus does not exhibit the level of self-sacrifice in title, stature and power as Gwyn does.
>>739029256Zeus also doesn't have a First Flame to worry about, don't miss the point on purpose.
>>739029232MY FUARKIN HEROFUCK NATUREWE STAY LIT
>>739029248Two non-presences? Hell, Kaathe having a larger role in DS3 was cut content
>>739029256Yeah, I think Gwyn is closer to Odin in terms of a willingness to sacrifice not just others, but himself for the sake of his goal of resisting chaos.
>>739029313Then don't call him a Zeus expy when the comparison is merely superficial.
>>739029363The Sable Church has a large role if you give it one. The Lord of Hollows Ending in DS3 is a bad one.
>>739029207King's Field is fucking kusoge what the fuck are you on? Might as well ask for a new Evergrace game goddamn.
>gets called a bitch>helps in genociding his entire race
>>739029401Don't tell me it doesn't count as Zeus when a lightning hurling asshole obsessed with strange pussy and keeping the gods where they are is in the setting. Canonically has at least one child with his sworn enemies of dragons btw.
>>739029481>King's Field is fucking kusoge what the fuck are you on?Let me guess. The controls filtered you? I'm so happy I am not you.
>>739029482Seathe is an intellectual.
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>>739029054I don't get it personally, but I'm not knocking you. They all had some good sets, but DS3 was too clean for me. Even when it was busted and ugly. Like the Herald set you get from one of the starter classes is really nice, just a simple chestplate and a fancy cape. So it makes sense that its clean, but then the Fallen Set you get in the swamp I think. It still looked clean despite being crushed and the dingy, brown cape. It's been a while since I played it, so my mind might be fuzzy. Any favourite sets?
>>739029482What a bitch.
>>739029450With how little Londor actually figures into anything going on in DS3 it always struck me more as Yulia taking credit for what's going on when you usurp the First Flame there
>>739029560You buy the demake lol
>>739028898Any good that the Age of Fire provided was completely counterbalanced by all of the shit that it provided. It's easy to pretend it was a net positive when you ignore all the negatives. He was one of the strongest beings in the world and he ends up weaker than all the other Lord Soul holders (even in-game, Gwyn's a fucking pushover)
>World is drab and gray.>Light discovered.>Everything is fucking awesome... for the people who consolidate it at the top.>Most propagated and arguably most powerful race get branded/enslaved by a jealous fuck who hordes all the wealth.>Light starts flickering and weakening.>He'd rather sacrifice himself to keep us enslaved to his ridiculous system than let it fade.>Keeps a cycle going of repeated sacrifices, each one yielding less profit than the last.>Some people think if the fire needs to fade, it should.>Can't just let it go out though, that's UNTHINKABLE. We're afraid of the dark. Gotta keep hustling. No time to slow down or you're lazy.>Both sides backing light and dark are being played by the same people, implying the end game doesn't matter and the hustle is fake.>Cycle of desperation continues until all effort is expended.>World is back to being a drab grey wasteland.What do you do?
>>739029648It was really funny that Gwyn being a pushover was apparently not intentional, regardless of it being thematically appropriate that Gwyn is kind of pathetic when push comes to actual shove, so DS3 made it so you can't parry him when the Soul of Cinder hits the Gwyn phase
>>739029648> he ends up weaker than all the other Lord Soul holdersGee, I wonder why, anon. The biggest problem with the Age of Fire was due to the God's complacency in being stewards of it. They all succumbed to temptation, perversion and corruption by forces not even Gwyn or the Flames itself is powerful enough to mitigate. Humanity are the true villains of Dark Souls.
>>739029640hue hue hue very funny CAN I PLEASE GET AN ANSWER FROM SOMEONE WHO ISN'T A RETARD
>>739029747>Everything is fucking awesome... for the people who consolidate it at the top.This premise is already false because Man also flourished during the Age of Fire. It's how they gained pride and honor, they just weren't the sole masters of their own destiny.
>>739029908RPCS3 has online functionality retardbro nobody is going to answer you seriously if you can't do the bare minimum googling before asking.
>>739029927There was definitely a rift between hollows and lords but hollows/humans did get to flourish a bit for a time too.But looking at the architecture, not nearly as well as the lords and there was definitely an effort to keep it that way.
>>739029562Gundy :):):)I liked how DS3 was a 'dry' apocalypse. In that things didn't rot away wetly, but instead desiccated. Even with the giant swamp the game has, the world overall is dying but in a way that leaves it all bone dry and brittle. Like old wood in a desert. Everything was dead, but not in a way that left it covered in moss and overgrowth, but in a way that left it dry and dusty and frozen from humidity.
Goys, is it jut me or did Dark Soul took a lot of inspiration from Soul Reaver? I mean think about it.>both setting takes place in a post-apocalyptic Gothic medieval world>both setting revolves around the distribution, consumption and the degradation of souls>both setting has a convoluted timeframe>there's parallel between Kain/Gwynn>both game has a protagonist who are hollowed undeadThere's probably more but you get my point. Thoughts?
>>739029747>Everything is fucking awesome... for the people who consolidate it at the top.>Gwyn apparently hates Man so much that he crowns and bequeathes his own soul to the Four Kings that were excellent monarchs>Yup, that Gwyn guy is so fucken and heckin evil!
>>739029748Gwyn is absolutely hard if you didn't read in a guide that he's the only main boss in the game that can be parried to death.
>>739029997>just google itLast I heard there's always a way to connect to the server on a PS3. Sure, I could Google it, or I could ask the people in the fucking Dark Souls thread on /v/ if they know, which I already know you don't. Why are you even responding to me if you can't answer the quesiton, anon?
>>739030067He WAS hard, but his three piece combo is a fucking joke to dodge now that we've played Dark Souls 2 and 3. Also if you were using a strength weapon like the majority of PVE players you were staggering him out of the combo half the time.
>>739029840Oh, so Gwyn created and perpetuated an age of corruption and perversion, and dipped out to avoid any accountability when the consequences of his actions arrived? He was a power hungry megalomaniac that tried subjugating his counterpart and spent the rest of his entire life failing and suffering. Nito's the only one who did things correctly as a Lord in power.
>>739030014LoK/Soul Reaver is more of a personal journey that it is a grand narrative one, not that it actually lacks one either. Both just use the dying earth subgenre in their settings. Nosgoth itself is trapped in this cosmological thread of destiny in which Kain tries to defy and reconcile in his mind that it's the best course despite doing immoral things in an immoral world to achieve it. Personally, LoK is thematically deeper imo, there's more to work with and there's an actual conclusion to what the franchise posits as a theme.
>>739030067He's the only boss I know in Dark Souls where you can just kite endlessly because of how the level design blocks his attacks.
>>739025321Respawning at a bonfire is a gameplay mechanic. In-universe, someone defeated in battle will rise again in a few minutes or hours. That's why most of the undead you meet are imprisoned behind bars (also how you start DS1). No matter how many times you get up, it doesn't matter if you can't move around freely.About Andre specifically in DS3, if you kill him he'll refuse service for the rest of that playthrough.And yes, before you ask, except for magic of grafting, people don't regrow limbs. They rise again and continue fighting with whatever broken bones they had before.
>>739030317Gwyn apologism or man-maxxing monarch-moding about him and his reign is really funny when DS in its entirety paints him as a short-sighted subjugator, though I think that kind of guy is doing everything in his power to ignore The Ringed City
>>739029747Say fuck all of them and go riding around on sick ass dragons for eternity while throwing around random lightning bolts.
>>739028175>Gwyn fights the Old Chaos>loses badly>Chosen Undead beats it>Meanwhile, Ivory King fights it and wins>Yhorm also fights it, wins so hard that demons are now a critically endangered species Sorry, I don't listen to jobbers
>>739030580Gwyn lost so badly that some demons use lightning, even
>>739030537If he liked dragons so much why didn't he try to become one?
>>739030537It does sort of seem like Dragons are the way to go, doesn't it?
>>739030580Demons are strong against Gods, not Man. It's how they are able to twist them into aberrations like what happened to the Witch of Izalith, as it is a corruption of her Flame. Man is strong against the Flame due to the nature of the Dark within their souls. Also the Bed of Chaos' death meant the Demons are just weaker subsequently.
>>739030537Nameless King is a fucking coward and a traitor. Fuck him and the dragon he rode on.
>>739030934I’m sure he did regularly.
>>739018483>if dragons then fire?DURRR
>>739030580Ivory king is the best. Strong but compassionate ruler loved by his people with a ride or die knightly order of brothers who literally walk into hell for him. Befriends a fragment of the dark soul even though he knows she’s evil. Said fragment falls for him and literally “fixes her”. Dies in the most classically heroic way of holding the line against an unstoppable evil.
>>739030537>Dragons? Let me explain something to you again, Chosen Undead, but differently. Allying with dragons, where I'm coming from? That's like asking a person where you're coming from to become a bloathead. I don't wanna hear that shit again!
>>739030580To be fair, it's likely more due to the power of the flame of Life dying out. The Witch of Izalith basically created an endless fountain of Life that couldn't be controlled or turned off, so that power was bound to peter out and weaken.
>>739028325It feels like you're seeing more of the world.
>>739025948Andre is the fire smith god that married Gwynevere
>>739030580>Ivory Kingwho?
>>739029590>how little Londor figures into anythingYou weren't paying attention at all.
>>739014851Demon's Soul's mentioned!
>>739025783Too fucking based. You need to get the fuck out of here and delete this comment before Peak Souls 2 players shit up this thread and come after you.
>>739018483"Muh cycles" is like the central unifying theme of the entire series. So no doubt even if the world returned to the gray ageless state again, some other thing will eventually come around to kick start change.
>>739018483if it happened before, why would it never happen again?
>Bearer of the curse, seek souls. seek stronger souls, lest this land swallow you whole
>>739032380Too late. I’ve tracked his IP to his home address and am on my way with 4 different 2 hour YouTube essays on DS2
>>739018483DaS3 was trying to make a fake and gay age of ancients out of pilgrim butterflies, pussy dragons, and those hollows turning into trees, since the dark soul was freaking outhaving said that, given infinite time, probably? I guess?
>>739033715>DaS3 was trying to make a fake and gay age of ancients out of pilgrim butterflies, pussy dragons, and those hollows turning into trees, since the dark soul was freaking outThe main game, yeah.>having said that, given infinite time, probably? I guess?In the DLC, breaking the egg moves time forward and what you get is the same grey wasteland from the opening cinematic of Dark Souls 1 with the age of ancients.
>>739018483>>739033715>>739032538>The First Flame quickly fades. Darkness will shortly settle. >But one day, tiny flames will dance across the darkness. >Like embers, linked by Lords past.
>>739033906It's not really the same because there are no archtree structures or dragones glued to them>>739033938I always took this to imply it was the same fire re-emerging not a new fire its own
>>739030007That's funny to me. Because I actually disliked that about DS3, and your pic kinda shows what I mean by everything looking so clean. It must've just been the reflection/lighting of the game. I much prefer vibrant colours, so that's where we disagree.I think my favourite set in DS3 was Morne's Set and the Fire Witch set.
>>739034073>It's not really the same because there are no archtree structures or dragones glued to themThe souls world takes place on top of the arch trees as you will remember from DS1.>dragonsYou can go fight a dragon kin in gael's arena right after the boss fight.It isn't going to sprout a million arch trees and dragons in an instant at the beginning of the new age of ancients.
>>739028325>>739028714DS 1&3 were drawing upon more Southern Europe Late Medieval and Early Renaissance styles with a very decaying tone epically in DS3.DS2 stands out because it derives a lot from Celtic and Post-Roman Brittan styles, while mainly having the more advanced Medieval aspects be tied in with the more high fantasy aspects alongside a more High fantasy style in general.In terms of insperation Lordran and Lothric is Southern France/Italy, and Drangleic is The British Isles.
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>Level Vigor!can we make fun of these losers?
>>739034149For me, I didn’t like the character proportions. We’re always too thin and gangly. You’re right about the muted color palette but that may just be to fit the “ash” aesthetic. I’ve always loved mix matching with the pardonors set in 1 and 2 with the Faraam armor being my favorite “staple” knight armor in 2 and 3
>>739029508>ES ZEUS
>>739034372Ya I can see what you’re saying. It’s strange because I’m not a fan of Elden rings esthetic because it seems to lean more towards Nordic design which I dislike. Some people don’t care for classic fantasy knights and dragons but I’ve always ate that shit up
>>739034854ER also draws from Celtic aspects alongside Nordic ones for the mythos aspects, the bulk of the games "on the ground" style is solidly High Medieval France down to the Knight Armor for each faction being based off of actual jousting armorBut it also lacks that level of historical abstraction/narrative refinement that most standard fantasy settings have.
>>739035084*that most standard fantasy settings have in regards to knights and the like.
