>Stop Killing Games (SKG) is a consumer movement that seeks to preserve video games after they are taken offline. It uses various legal avenues to push for requiring video game publishers to keep games playable and in a reasonably functioning state even after their discontinuation, challenging the industry trend of selling games as a revocable license or service that can at any moment be rendered obsolete by the publisher.Uhm, based? Apparently these guys have been having some serious impacts on the big developers. We should support their efforts with everything we got. I'd love to be able to force bigdev to add OFFLINE features either included at launch or patched in when they decide to discontinue the game. In other words, you know, like games used to be in the 90s/00s. Tired of this shit.
Too old to care. I just buy some 2 dollar game from sale, play through it once at best and probably never think about it again
>>739016749This will just turn all games subscription-based.
>>739017285Moldman answer to that scenario is, "you're not WoW/FFXIV, good luck with that".
>>739017272>This you?
>>739017285I'd argue games like Fortnite, Roblox and GTAVI can get away with it.
>>739018521Whoops, meant for >>739017474
>>739016749>Anons are cheering for the state
>>739016749coopted by troons and faggots. it's dead to me
>hello fellow reddit goys plz give control of your video games to some jews in the govt
>>739019894They're siccing jews on other jews, dare I say based?
>>739020009>0 ppl outside of reddit fell for this petition
>>739016749they need a better logo
>>739016749If it makes the current game industry mad, then it's probably a good thing.
>>739016749careful now, the horde is arriving.>reeeee only reddit wants this>this is COMMUNIST>retarded americans HATE this>da JEWS are trying to trick you guysle divide and conquer, again and again and again
After trying to get a GFWL game to work on my modern system, I fully support this.
>>739022265The last time i have been on this thread, someone gave me such a fucking cucked answer that i think they might be serious.I think it's just console fanboys defending the companies they like, even if they only produce shit.
>B... but my license for this real world brand expiredDon't care, delist the game for sale, but hands off my copy. My 20+ year old games with licensed music and middleware still works.>B... but the matchmaking serversDon't care, give me the ability to make my own servers, I don't need matchmaking>B... but muh sequelDon't care, games had sequels before and had the old games as competitors and still sold well.>B... but muh IPIP rights should not supersede property rights ya fuckin' pinko.
>>739019657Acting like if you don't use the state it magically becomes libertarian paradise. Someone else will use the state for their purposes and you just eat shit.
>>739022371Its either braindead console fans, jason fans, or shills. Can't convince me its anyone else
>>739022371>>739022728watching how shills move on stuff I know they are moving on has convinced me that some of the console fans were just shills the entire time.
>>739023160I don't think console fans, just plebs fully brainwashed by Stockholm syndrome...so kinda shills, but out of brainwashing that they don't deserve better
>>739016749>buy a license to a game from a provider>license is contingent on provider continuing to provide access>license is no longer valid when access is no longer provided>license is not transferrable>license is not perpetual>license has never been perpetual nor transferrable>license was never implied to be perpetual nor transferrable in any way>game itself was NEVER bought, only a clearly limited license to access it>"WAAAH THEY TOOK AWAY THE GAME I BOUGHT!!!!1 GIVE IT BACK IT'S MY PROPERTY WAAAAAH!!!"Consoomers should all be shot. "Stop Killing Games" is yet another libtard grift that pushes for an even more oppressive central govt.
>>739016749I don’t buy multiplayer games for this reason, if companies keep killing their games, eventually people will catch up and stop buying them too.
>>739024243>people>catch upunderaged retard
>>739024120Actually basically every game before maybe 2008 was perpetual. Game cds could be backed up, and had no software expiration date. Doom 3 still runs fine
>>739024543>a-a-ackshually irrelevant pointretard
>>739025196Its not irrelevant. Games expiring was a fucking invention, they had to INVENT a framework for this to exist. Any game you bought before then with maybe the most rare exceptions still works today, and the industry wasn't suffering. So going back to that is extremely simple.Shill
Apparently this is some sort of arcane lost tech that modern games can't have.
>>739022606Yes. Use the fucking power for yourself or have it used against you.
>>739025824modern online games being algo driven matchmaking slop is the entire motivation for making them. corpos want a "curated" experience that caters to the lowest common denominator because it's better for immediate profitsalso it lets them console-ify every game for the sake of crossplay
>>739016749It's just another attempt to give governments more control over the free market. Don't like what developers are doing? Don't buy.>b-but muh re-retards still buy... must protect retardsDon't care. I will not sacrifice my freedoms for the sake of retards.
>739026089>dude corporations should have full right to take away a product you bought, that can still easily function with just some minor tweaks, for uh reasons>it will totally affect my freedoms if the government tells said corps they can't take away my stuffI know this reply is likely bait, but I see shit like this so much in real life, the worse part is said retards are living proof or horse shoe theory were they are more than happy to allow corpos to do the very things they claim to hate so long as its said corpos doing it
Some poofter youtubers attention seeking scheme.
>>739024354nigger
>>739024120>if you did read the fine print, you would know we put plutonium on your cake, it's on page 15
If the government did exactly what I wanted, I'd give it power to do literally anything, moralcucks.
>>739025824Come on, this kind of technology would WRECK the profits and make the game wildly unpopular, like this indie trash
>>739022728I don't think pirate has fans left after his main ballwasher left the jannyteam
>>739024120I bought a physical copy of a game and it stops working because the developer turned off their server?Doesn't sound fair to me.
>>739025517>>739026803>>739027120>games provided are obviously dependent on a server staying up>games literally require online activation/verification up front>consoomers still buy into it, despite the obviously changed terms>consoomers delude themselves that even with all this obvious shit, the terms are the same as buying games 20+ years ago>IT'S AN INVENTION!! THEY INVENTED A WAY TO SCREW US OVER>DUH FINE PRINT! I DIDNT REALIZE THAT I CANT DOWNLOAD FROM A SERVER WHEN THERE IS NO SERVER ANYMORE>ITZ NOT FAIRRRRR (dipshit thought he was still buying a game despite all the neon-lit signs indiciating that he was only buying an access pass)Consoomers get mad because the companies were not, in fact, as delusional as the consoomers were.
>>739027362>game has offline mode>it's not actually offline mode
>>739022265>not allowed to disagree with us
>>739027362>bury it deep in legalese wall of text>never offer an alternative>"it's their fault for accepting" or "see the players actually want this"Fuck off shill.
Corpos don't want you to know about this one cool trick.
>>739027551>calling out my logical fallacies means you want an echo chamber!how about you form an actual argument instead
>>739027683You bought a license.
Bring back fantasy earth zero and I might care
>>739027708Licenses don't prevail over the law.
>>739027362Nob>>739027362>>DUH FINE PRINT! I DIDNT REALIZE THAT I CANT DOWNLOAD FROM A SERVER WHEN THERE IS NO SERVER ANYMOREThey can just release server software separately bro.Then running server's isn't even the problem, its refusal to release after. Doom once upon a time had deathmatch servers provided by id basically, but that doesn't mean you can't do it now So yes, it IS an invention, as its actually significantly more effort to make a game die than to not>>739027578Also hiding behind terms is stupid and legally not as airtight, just like i can't release an app saying "by agreeing to this I can now rape kill and enslave your entire family lol" doesn't mean it will hold up.And that's kinda the basis if this argument of skg, that being able to take away your purchase at any time, for any or no reason, with no timeline, is basically fraudulent, and so hostile to customers that its unacceptable.
>>739027768Licenses are legal.
>>739027708then why'd the store page say i was buying a game and not a license to a gamethose two seem different enough to very clearly warrant that distinction
>>739022265>>739022371>>739022728>>739027025Imagine thinking detractors are all shills for some dipshit content creator instead of disenfranchised gamers that have long-since realized "oh hey this is all bullshit now" and moved onto piracy. Just imagine being that much of a delusional retard.
>>739027830It does say you're buying a license. You didn't read.
>>739027819And they still don't prevail over the law. Just like common law doesn't prevail over constitutions, despite both being legal.
>>739027708if its a license then why doesn't it state when it will end
>>739027903I just told you it's legal whatever violation you think is occurring isn't.
>>739027881where on a game's steam page does it make a clear distinction that you aren't purchasing a game but instead a license?
>>739027959If you mean currently, sure.And we are trying to change the laws to make it illegal. After which the licenses will have to comply.
>>739027819Licenses don't override other laws. Slavery is illegal, i can't just say tos means you agree to be a slave BECAUSE slavery is illegal.Skg seeks to make this illegal too >>739027831Because its always either these 3. I've seen no reputable actual person who ISN'T for skg, unless they literally never heard of it, was a massive retard, or an obvious industry shill (jason hall) or Ubislop people.
>>739022265>Its communist/socialism to protect property rights of a consumer in a legal market and enforce people play by same rules and standards other industries are?What a kike thing to say. Free-Markets do not mean "non-regulated markets" jew, just that there's least amount of anti-competitive establishments and monopolies and it operates on a meritocratic basis. I know non-zionist glazing economy in a Jewish mind counts as "socialist/communist" yet at the same time the red ideology is all Jewish, including Feminism bullshit.
>>739027818>removing access to a game>rape kill and enslave your entire family>"these things are equivalent and can be used for the same argument"libtards deserve the rope
>>739028090>I've seen no reputable actual person who ISN'T for skgReputable (by your questionable criteria) people are infallible now? You base you stance on these "reputable" people? Keep proving that skg and libtards as a whole are blatantly retarded.
>>739028150>NOOO! YOU MUST DEFEND MEGAKIKE CORPORATIONS RIGHT TO STAY MEGAKIKE CORPORATIONS REE REE! YOU NAZI LIBTARD!
>>739028274keep strawmanning, retard. It doesn't help your case in the slightest.
>>739028150It aint libtards. Reminder that trannies and chuds literally agree on skg. You have any idea how hard it is to get trannies and chuds to agree?!!
>>739028090>Licenses don't override other laws.They don't. You misunderstanding what you bought is your fault.
>>739028343you are protecting kike owned businesses, we know what you are.
>>739027985It's in the cart when you are about to buy it.
>>739028249If they are enmasse, usually yes??? At very least I want to hear a DAMN good argument against it. I'm waiting.>>739028393And since they DON'T override laws, if a law is made saying you can't, you can wipe your ass with the license lol
I buy my games on GOG
>>739024120>>739025196>>739027362You are a mentally ill tranny.
>>739028393Getting your arm twisted into agreeing with an unfavorable license isn't a misunderstanding. It's begrudgingly accepting because the alternative is not having access to the game.
>>739028693games are a luxury you aren't helping your case.
>>739016749>erm just trust this manufactured consent for digital idsOld v would have shut this shit down before it even started you newfag tourists need to get the fuck off my board now you glowniggers
>>739028775What additional legal rights does being a luxury provide to videogames?
Ok, we can try to fight greedy corporations without devolving into anti-Semitism. Let's be mature about this.
>>739028653I'm sure its actually a shilling saar. Even trannies support skg, its just industry people and shills against it.A previous thread a shill didn't understand what a john deere tractor was and screamed at someone saying they'd "whack their john deere til it worked" and the shill called it terrorism.The thread then turned into a tractor thread >>739028775So are gold jewelry. I still have the right to OWN my jewelry.
>>739028878Your arm wasn't twisted into anything because you don't need games.
>>739028921>So are gold jewelry. I still have the right to OWN my jewelry.Not a license.
>>739028924What's your definition of luxury then?
>>739028924This isn't an argument for anything So is calling it a luxery. You purchased it, there's no set timeline expectation, every other consumer rights thing points to this as fraud.
>>739029246>You purchased itPurchased what?
>>739028878higher taxations and ability for state to crack down on it harder just like any other vice, lmao. luxuries are the first things to go, then the necessities.
>>739024120>Consoomers should all be shot. "Stop Killing Games" is yet another libtard grift that pushes for an even more oppressive central govt.one day corporations will shove ads into your eyeballs and a metal rod up your ass and people will question "why didn't anyone do anything against this?"
>>739027831>Retard doesn't even read the posts he's replying toYou're so brown
>>739029551What's sad is indian shills suck up to anyone with power hoping it will make india super power, not even AWARE that lost rights hurt everyone, including them
>>739029489It's pointless to try to derail the discussion by sucking people in to debate over the legal matters around purchasing software.Laws change due to a political will to change them. You can't hide behind how a law is currently written and interpreted to prevent a law from being changed. If you don't have arguments for why the changes skg asks for are bad, then there is nothing to discuss.
>>739024120holy GOY post
>>739030224Oh so earlier in the thread licenses violated the law and now you admit they don't so you need to change the law. Thank you.
>>739030583Normally I hate the term goy, but if all non jews were exactly like that, jews would be 100% justified in running the world.
>>739030586>so you need to change the law.What do you think skg and the california bills are for, retard?Of course changing the laws is necessary for the changes to go into effect.
>>739030776Why if licenses are already illegal?
>>739030825What's the scenario here exactly? If it's already illegal it gets challenged in court.
>>739030825That's possible too, much consumer law already protects similar stuff, it just hasn't been ruled. Its like when drones and robots were made and there wasn't STRICTLY laws about killer drones, but its obviously wrong.
>>739030583>>739030742its not a GOY post, its a literal kike post. Shardeens are all jewish bitches and cock suckers who pretend to be nationalists but are secretly feminist cucks, average Jew thinks like the shartie poster.
>>739016749Activision's approach of abandoning their online services to hackers and leaving them open to RCE exploits needs to be covered too.
>>739031209shartie won doebeit
>keep games playable and in a reasonably functioning state even after their discontinuationFOR ANY FUCKING RETARD THAT STILL DIDN'T GET ITWe just want the developers and publishers to allow other people to host the servers after end-of-service.Basically, the company doesn't need to keep the game online or hosting shit, they can take it down without any problems.
>>739031354shartie still suck howeverbeit, imagine grifting for SPLC and Canary Mission, bunch of israeli shills.
>>739031687>he says shilling for manufactured consent digital id'sHow much is mastercard paying you
>>739031475this is very commons sense, now add an incentive for the corpos to accept being paid by-proxy of owning the copyright to the game and you got a deal with most companies, "You'll host our game for free and let us make money out of your efforts to keep it running at your own leisure? Sure!" is a most likely response, companies care about bottom line, speculative markets looking good for them and of course, easy fucking money. You got to elbow grease it in and not just demand shit for free.
>>739019657As opposed to the corpo scum using the state to decide that ackshually this product I paid for is not a product but a """license""" they can take away any time they wish without returning the money?
>>739031794I do not? That's your people doing that whole feminist cum guzzling niggerdick faggotry, if anything most people just want to game and not be told what one can and can't play by the banking jew if its legal to purchase its legal to play and pay for it, simple as.
>>739031869>Erm palantir might be able to send a sucidie drone to kill you and I have literally no privacy anywhere but at least I can play muh heckin video gamesand you have the gall to call anyone else goycattle
>>739031687Splc paid my local kkk branch though
>>739018521I wouldn't bet on it. The zoomers and Gen As who are the main demographic don't have the culture of paying for playing a game they'd just abandon it after the next trend game comes up and not thinking of paying just to try some new update. Also freemiun generates a lot more money than subscriptions ever did. It's infinitely cheaper to just make an offline mode 10 years from now when the game is discontinued
>>739031976>getting emotional over video games but does not put any forward notion to go after Palantir because they are a cuck or Tesla for war profiteering as a civilian company with government ties.Okay chud.>>739031978>Admits larping for leftist causes.Not a good look.
>>739032121You called someone a chud then called leftists a larp in the same post ROFL
>>739032197leftists are larpers, they are the biggest grifters in down man, your chuddites are all the same thing, to anyone with common sense you are the same people, same politics, same ideology, all leftists and larping as something you are not.
>>739032121>Erm just ask the jews in the government to go after their fellow jewsNo wonder yurocucks are getting replaced in their own countries if this is the thinking they possess KWABOTY
>>739032280>Erm if you don't bow to isreal you are a leftist actuallyOk ben shapiro
>>739031976Nothing in skg increases the powers of the government. It already has those powers which is why skg can pass. Nor does anything in skg promote mass surveillance by palantir. If you want less government power, you should directly challenge the limits of governance, not bitch whenever the government exercise the powers it currently has.
>>739032293>just do nothing at all goyim that's right be a good goyim cattle and do nothing, do something and you are still goyim cattle.are you dumb? yes, you are very dumb. what is the opposite of inaction? action, opposite of passivity, engagement, the goyim cattle are the ones that don't do shit. (you)
>>739032327>tries to argue a non-argument that wasn't present.you are bowing down to Israel by mere presence of the fact that you are a jew and not building up actual resistance/alternative for non-Israel supporters to operate financially from or do anything of the sort that would matter to roach out their influence base and power.
>>739032332It is inviting them to introduce digital id under the guise of "consumer protection". You are a retard for not seeing that>>739032375You aren't doing anything you are saying that you want the government to put in digital id so you can play dogshit games >>739032463>roach outnice try assmongoloid night media shill.
>>739032645Digital ids have been planned long before skg even existed and nothing in skg would require digital ids in any way, form or shape to achieve its stated goals. The digital ids issue can be challenged completely independently from skg.
>>739024120Listen, man. Just stop licking boots for a second and listen. I paid for it, therefore it is mine. That's it.>but le legalese in the 10913 page document sa---I don't care what it says. I paid for it, therefore it is mine. If the legalese says otherwise, then movements like this exist EXACTLY to make sure the legalese gets corrected.
>>739032645>ree you you you.never said so, now go fuck yourself back2reddit/leftypol meltie having cuck.
>>739025824>arcane lost tech
>>739033000that's hina (right)
>>739033061Artificial intelligence says the character on the right is Kei howeverbeit
>>739033102Artificial Intelligence is leftsit goyimslop, it literally lists everything wrong on purpose that's slightly offending muh hecking sensibilities, shameful culture vultures those commies chinks, kikes and indians.
>>739027551oh sorry I will add>muh strawmansto the list next time
>>739027831You idiot.I never said "the horde" were shills for "some dipshit content creator"
>>739028118>da JOOOOOOs are tryin to steal your games by.... letting you own them?
>>739032975>I don't care what it says. I paid for it, therefore it is mine.>paid for a licenseYou're right. The license is yours. The game, however, is not.
I trust game corporations. They make fun things for me to buy like GTA. I don't trust the government. They take things away from me. Simple as. Plus, less games will be made and the gaming industry will stagnate and technology won't be pushed if people can just go play old games, things die and that's okay. It's like getting mad you don't still have a burger after eating the burger. And it's unreasonable to expect companies to keep these games up forever, the cost is just absurd. If they want to make money and keep making great new products for us, they need to shut down the outdated games nobody but trannies care about anymore.
>>739034252>unreasonable to expect companies to keep these games up forever>>739031475>the cost is just absurd
>>739034447It could cost literal thousands to set up the ability to make private servers and what about anti cheat and moderators and licenses? It's just not feasible and even if it was it shouldn't be done in the first place because when it's time for the game to die it's time for the game to die and for people to move on to the next better game
>>739034534>anti cheat>moderatorsHow it was in the old day: On a server by server basis hosted by a community.
>>739034534>thousandsLive service games have budgets in the tens of millions at the very least these days.>what about anti cheat and moderatorsUp to the players/server hosts to self moderate.>and licensesWhich ones?>It's just not feasibleClearly is since it was the standard 20 years ago.>when it's time for the game to dieShouldn't be up to the developer to decide.>to move on to the next better gameExtremely hypothetical.
>>739034596Communities can't be trusted, they're full of trannies and children. There's a reason every good game nowadays has anti cheat and moderation done by the game companies, it's just better for the consumer and for the business, I'd rather have the game not exist then have it be propped up by faggots trannies and retards in their secret club community servers
>>739034695Yeah but... you can make your own based server.
>>739034534>It could cost literal thousands to set up the ability to make private servers>set up the ability to make private serversBut uhhhh don't you already have the servers?
>>739034724>make my own server with my own rules>trannies invade it, demand I make it a space for them>If I don't they'll ddos, dox, report the server, spread false info on forums reddit and 4chan and kill any potential anyone will play>might even go so far as to make sure I can't get employed againYou have NO idea how fucking dangerous this shit is. It's. Not. Fucking. Feasible. Get it through your thick fucking skull, idiot
>>739034853But I host servers for games and I don't run into that issue.Besides, companies have already been invaded by trannies... so at least with community hosting there is a chance of based shit instead of 0. "Say word money stolen" etc. etc.
>>739034939You got lucky and your days are limited. It'll happen to you, then you'll be left wondering what went wrong, when this entire time you should have given up server hosting and played through matchmaking the way the games are fucking intended to be played. And the tranny hires are performative, they have no power. I can trust these companies, I can't trust the average gamer.
>>739027831That's much worse. You know it'd be a good thing, but you're doing whatever little you can to sabotage it simply because you can't imagine something actually getting better. That's pathetic,
>>739034993Uh huh. Well, I'll be hoping onto a game that I am hosting, I'll see how this thread progresses later.
>>739022265reddit are full of game dev bootlickers and even they want this, this is a universal thing the only people who are seriously against SKG are resetera cultists and blizzard employees like piratesoftware
the movement, this thread, gaming in general, and all your lives are a waste of time. none of you will accomplish anything of value, regardless of whether you're for or against skg
i look forward to the downfall of every single one of you, but only with the most passing of interests
>>739035854>>739035753If your kneejerk reaction to this is doomerism and teenage suicide then that says a lot more about your own subconscious. So hurry up and get it over with.
>>739035854What happened in/after 1994 to make it fall so drastically?
>>739038260INTERNET
>>739034695>>7390348531. Tranny comes to you2. Make this a LGBTQEFUHOEFHOWEFJO+ space or we ree3. Lol fuck off tranny kys ywnbaw^If you do this, then yeah you might have to deal with all that other bullshit you mentioned. Which is because you actually gave them a reason to be pissed off at you by not only rejecting their demand, but doing so in a nasty way. They'll post the screenshot on Reddit and it will drum up support and sympathy for them, because you made yourself look like an arse. If you had simply said 'I'm sorry I won't be able to do that, feel free to try other servers though or make one for yourself' and the tranny gets pissed at that and posts on Reddit, the response the tranny will get is simply to move on and look for a different server and/or make one for yourself, as you suggested in the first place. There is no reason for anyone to hate you because you have given none. It's your server and you can run it however you see fit. Also, the kind of entitled personality on display in the tranny in this hypothetical is gonna be quite rare. Yeah, they might still get pissed off at being respectfully declined, but most will not make it into a witch hunt over just that.
>>739038695He's baiting, stop giving fags (You)s
>>739031804Or, alternatively, do it or we'll hurt your bottom line way more.
>>739016749People don't care because they're incredibly short sighted. Remember; it only matters when it's a game YOU care about.
>>739019657Interesting how it's okay for corporations to use the state, and it's even considered wrong to stop them from doing so.Like the retards who argue against SKG because "all government intervention is le bad" are suddenly licking that washington boot when copyright is brought up.It sure is quite a coincidence.
>>739041535>copyright was invented to break up monopolies
>>739031804>Sell game to me>They shut the game down>Now demand extra payment to continue using my product they arbitrarily shut downLol fuck right off kike. Maximum Jewery.
>>739042069And with Disney buying up all the rights to every franchise ever, and extending copyright to 120+ years, I'd say they didn't do a very good job of it.
