WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY BRIGGERLOVERS
>>739031035What is it? An indie remake of cyndicate wars?
>>739031229A bit similar in gameplay, but it's mainly based off of the first game which itself wasn't based on syndicate I don't think
>two brigger threadsThis is getting out of hand
>>739031585I looked for another beefore I brigged, I will go look again and then say FUCK YOU
that loyalist tank is pretty cool, it's fast as fuck and can handle a bunch of heavy guns
>>739031585Didn't the other one bump limit?Its been extremely popular Also 50mm mortar fits on an upgunned van, which is a HUGE boon
>>739031229No but Syndicate Wars and Crusader are mentioned as inspirations.
How do I give myself the Arlo parts?I don't really know how to use the debug menu beyond loading levels.
>>739032353I meant two simultaneous ones. If you're talking over the past few days we've had like 3 or 4 hit the bump limit
>>739032668Link it if its still even up. I don't see it.>>739032603I think you can buy arlo from merchant, but it's pricey. A mongoose is more affordable, and tank treads for party van is even cheaper
Too much inventory tetris autism. I just want to shoot stuff like in the first game
>>739032936U blind niggy?>>739031015
I don't know if they'll be adding the whole arsenal from the first game, but I really want to use this thing in Killers.
Honestly, the Troubadour too. Treadbikes are gonna handle so funny.
over 9000 hours on my used spacer cyberdeck i bought off chobazon
>>739035086wow for some reason the colors went all fucky on .png, save this one instead if you like it
>>739033169No, i just don't like scrolling catalog >>739034617I hope they fix bikes, they spin out WAAAAY too easy
>>739033040there's no tetris you lying nigger. i unironically would prefer a tetris because it'd be simpler than whatever the fuck we have right now
>>739035574You cant figure out containers???
>>739035641Boxes, how do they work?
>>739035641no im talking about your inventory (bag) which isn't accessible when you're in your powersuit, whose inventory (medium crate) isn't accessible when it's in your truck. etc etcit's like that retarded bag stacking in tarkov, atleast they put a stop to that
>>739035969Ehh, kinda hard to reach a CRATE when you are driving dude
you can't eat chips while in the cinderblock 0/10
>>739037612Only corvid paint chips
>>739038389man this thing is kinda suckish, but it looks badass and feels fun to zoom around in
>>739038410it's classic Corvid mentality, hit fast and hard, then run.no time or weight capacity for armor.
>>739031035the gameplay is kinda boring or am I missing something?>go in>shoot some bullet sponge guys while you sponge bullets yourself>steal some garbage and leave>repeat
>>739038563Tell me you only played level 1 without telling me you only played level 1Later enemies have guns that will 1 shot you in power armor
>>739038563I'm liking the progression. Stole some cars, hoarded some ammo, now I have a panel van with a machinegun on top instead of using that ammo with a shitty obrez, a police car with a laser gun on it, and I'll probably build an apc next. The different suits have potential to be really fun but I think the carmine rig is the most versatile and useful out of all of them. the other 2 just aren't balanced as well imo.
>>739038640I played like 8.>>739038743trying to figure out what parts to steal feels like a slog...
>>739038772I just go around the maps getting as much crap as possible and then see what I can make. I just finished the police barricade map, doing all the maps in order from top down. I'm sure there's some rng involved with what the crates have idk. I'm not really paying attention to what parts Iget, I just try my best to fully clear maps and then get some extra ammo for whatever guns I get by replaying the super easy maps.
>>739038772Just grab whatever, unless you specifically need certain stuff. Like big tires for apc repair
>>739038965>>739039008I can't grab whatever cause it's super heavy and over 10 missions I haven't gathered enough for even 1 vehicle. even though I steal vehicles any time I see one and load shit into it.
>>739038563I don't think I'd call anything in this game a bullet sponge. Stealing garbage, though, yes. I lo e stealing garbage especially in the garbage truck. Im the trash man
>>739039106bro what vehicles have you stored at the base? don't you have a panel van with a small crate in the trunk? also try to find a varlet or wahtever it's called and load a big crate on the back of that one. the panel van also has 300 inv space aside from loading a small crate. i think one of the smaller cars has 3 small crate slots too or something. it's sometimes worth going into the early levels without a vehicle so you can just grab an extra one to salvage at your base. and then you can just upgrade your main car to have a gun and armor-- or just use the salvaged chassis from cars you break down to craft one
>>739039106You should totally be able to make a loader van with basic parts
>>739039234I don't have any cause all the shit cars I just disassemble.having to drive around gathering crap is the slog I'm talking about.maybe it's just not a game for me.>>739039272I don't but either way...
>>739039272Yeah loader van takes shit you can get from Crow's field
>>739039406If you don't have any vehicles at all, do you at least have the Carmine rig? Until I got it from Wilderness, I was trudging around in a Panel Van. You can check the fabricator, decide what you want to make that feels achievable, and then go get loot with that in mind. There is a LOT you can fit in a normal van, especially if you load a crate onto it. Can just be one of the big ones you find, even in Roundabout.
>>739039464Correction, Loader Van fits Large crates. I think the basic one you grab off the street can only fit Medium and Small.
>>739039464maybe I'll give it another go when it releases.they should add a shipping list feature for components.
>>739039406literally grab a panel van from the beginning of wilderness and dip the fuck out without doing anything else, or any other early salvage level. guaranteed van that you can either salvage or actually use for looting/upgradebuttbh a lot of what you'll be doing is driving your van around gathering stuff and then getting off and gunning down a bunch of dudes with a good smg or whtever weapon, so you can make a car that kills shit good or holds a fuck ton of loot, and then eventually a proper killing machine after that>>739039501yeah the basic panel van/armored + up gunned panel van can only hold 1 small crate iirc. >>739039563>shipping list featurethat's not a bad idea desu, something you can pin to the hud and toggle on and off maybe
The Ork Lift
>390 capacity for the first mount>170 for the secondi do not even have a single weapon large enough to be appropriate for the secondary weapon, let alone the primary
>>739040026This nigga mounts small arms on an MBT
>>739040148Return to WW1 armor traditionyou know you want to
>>739039154>I lo e stealing garbage especially in the garbage truck. Im the trash manfellow garbotruck enjoyer, i kneel i feel like it's pretty underwhelming though that it can only carry one big crate and the rest is small. considering how massive the thing is, i feel like you should be able to carry 3, or atleast 2
>>739040227Based
>>739035969a good workaround for looting containers without a loader i found is to drop everything you want from the container onto the ground easier to drag/shift click that way and you can even do it while in your vehicle
>>739040823i 1+ this
>>739040234Fit a Mog in the back. You know, as a fun surprise.
>turn my van into a loader, go into a mission>survive a firefight>one of those dipshit robots rams me at full speed>i gib and lose the vanwhat the fuckback to crow's field i guess
are the contents of the merchant weapon boxes randomized?
>>739041158the fucking traffic robots lol? i had one ram into me repeatedly while I was on foot and I had to back off and shoot it down. they're retardedly fast when they want to be
>>739042028I think they are like robocops, but unarmed, designed for more civil shit. But they love chasing you when in a car.Anyway found a mae dios machine gun, 50 cal machine gun for my party van... business is picking up
>>739041732I've only bought one of each but I'm pretty sure it's the same thing every time.
>>739044406 are the small guns still stuff like bonesaws 8mil, or what?Also I love how there's a suit portable mae dios that's just a chopped down barrel.
>>739040823Yeah, started doing that too
>>739045018the small weapons merchant crate is a relative term, it's packed with like 3.7k weight of medium vehicle weapons and ammo
Other thread died so I'm reposting here Some tips or otherwise explanations for poorly explained/implemented mechanics>shields can be restored by switching them off (default keybind x) and switching them on in the hub >or switching them off before a stage transition like going deeping into the sinkhole and turning them back on in the next stage>you can only sell shit to the merchant that he is already selling>you can cheese infinite money by buying the small gun crate from the merchant then selling him back the ammo for profit>the large crates some merchant wares (like the gun crates) come in have 5000 capacity and can be used normally>Mongoose can mount small/medium crates>vehicles that can load large crates can load smaller vehicles and powersuits in a large crate slot, which themselves can be carrying a crate
briggas live like this and don't see any issue
>>739045964comfy. my room looks like that and i do that
>>739045732>>Mongoose can mount small/medium cratesThat's a HUGE bit, I've been scared of even bringing my mong. Off to crow field
>>739031035Sex with Future
Why has this taken 10 years if they already made the game
>>739041158>>739042028haha what a tragic accidenthahahaha
>>739042028where do you fags get the info that they're supposed to be traffic robots? i thought they were just the latest iteration of the suicide bots from the 1st game
so whats the story? we're killing all the brigadors because they fucked up great leaders utopia?
>>739048369great leader or not have you seen the sheer amount of random civilians killed whenever a brigador landed to do their thing?yeah
>>739048428Hey man, $50 per civilian adds up, and tickets offworld ain't exactly cheap.
>>739048369It's payback time.
>>739048369It wasn't an utopia per se, more like current El Salvador, but if some corpo paid off mercs to go fuck up your homeworld for cash, it's at least easier to take revenge on those opportunistic guns for hire than it is taking on the whole megacorp that funded this.
>>739048970Presumably attacking a mega-corps that operates on multiple planets makes doing significant damage to it very difficult. At best you just do what Great Leader did and break away, but the corpos don't exactly take that laying down.
>>739035207Saved
>>739035259It'd be cool if the handling of bikes changed depending on what rig you're wearing. Like with a loyalist you can drive them just fine, but with the carmine you're so top heavy it's a nightmare. The description of one of the smaller bikes mentions that he once saw someone in a carmine riding it and it was like watching a bear on a unicycle
Anyone found a good farming spot for the M2/Mae Dois? I haven't found one since my first one blew up in a Party Van.
>>739040823Oh that's a good idea
>>739040026Funnily enough there's a bunch of weapons in the demo that are too heavy for this thing and you can only mount them on the meme sprat van
>>739043705Reminds me of these things from psycho pass
>>739048970>>739049046SNC is also a shell company that's actually owned by a bunch of different megacorps, so that's another layer
>>739049857The future is now
All briggers must hang Glory to Solo Nobre
>>739049669I've only seen them in the chopshop and sinkhole
I just realized the guy you kill in the sniping mission is the one who got fired for simping over Clotilde in Brigador's tutorial
>>739051127He simped over Snell but yes that's him.
>>739051127Simps btfo
Where do I find extreme cells
What the fuck is the dromon rig supposed to be? It looks like an oversized cloak
>>739031035I heard a new Brigador Killer released so I'm done with Brigador now. Smell you later, fags.
>>739039683My favorite utility vehicle
>>739051498 i found some in the sinkhole mission i think 4 or 5 floors deep (then lost them after my van got ambushed by cindrblocks in the next floor)
>>739051498I found a few in the police warehouse mission.
>>739051626All the cramped quarters in the Sinkhole really makes driving anything smaller than a tank but larger than a powersuit a liability, especially in floor 4-5 where RPG and frag grenade mobs start showing up
>>739051516It's supposed to be this.
>>739051546Got a chuckle out of me
>>739052618Spoopy
>>739048212Because they look like cartoonish police officers Also I just found a laser cannon that can level buildings, its amazing. Definitely not man portable though, barely fits on my party van
so what, the game is about killing the Brigador from the first game?
>>739053873>killing the BrigadorThere was SEVERAL brigadors dude. But yes, people attack a planet the brigadors settled on, for revenge
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>>739054335Stfu this is the 4th thread I've counted. Last ones hit bump limit
Kill spacers. Behead spacers. Roundhouse kick a spacer into the concrete. Slam dunk a spacer tube baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy spacers. Defecate in a spacer's food. Launch spacers into the sun. Stir fry spacers in a wok. Toss spacers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a spacer's hardshield generator. Judo throw spacers into a wood chipper. Twist spacers heads off. Report spacers to the IRS. Chop spacers in half with bonesaw MGs. Curb stomp pregnant spacers. Trap spacers in quicksand. Crush spacers in the trash compactor. Liquefy spacers in a vat of acid. Eat spacers. Dissect spacers. Exterminate spacers in tubarão gas chambers. Stomp spacers' skulls with mog suits. Cremate spacers with Bully lasers. Lobotomize spacers. Mandatory abortions for spacers. Grind spacer fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown spacers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize spacers with audio kinetic pulses. Kick old spacers down the stairs. Feed spacers to Novo Solo wildlife. Splatter Spacers with a Donkey.Total spacer death
>>739031585It's called shillingDo you remember that indie game that shilled every day for two weeks? Me neighter But every thread reached a slow and steady bump limit; totally organic.
>>739055564Lots of indie games had regular threads for weeks or months newfag
>>739055635Somebody seems sad!Yes, there is a lot of shilling, but not many games shilled here actually sell much.Some indies here have permathreads on release like silksong and slay2, but they don't reach even 300 concurrent players, or reviews.But it's totally organic, I'm just a newfag that likes to meme.
>>739055886No you're a newfag that isn't interested in videogames
>>739031585>>739055564Stop talking about video games on /v/! a porn thread died for this!
>>739055938>>739056010Why so salty? At least post the meme "you are a shill"Last post on this totally organic thread™Continue to keep this shit alive in your own
>>739055564>demo gets released>people play it and talk about it>REEEEE SHILLINGGo back to wherever you came from, fucking retardAlso, I love Xochi
>>739057329>, I love Xochiwhy? its range is pathetic and its ammo is heavy as FUCK
Think I'll call it quits 20 hours, the combat mechanics are there, but there's a whole lot of QoL that needs to be done, especially with the inventory management. There's also all the powerful weapons you can get but only infantry, powersuits and APCs you can use them on in this demo build, so you can't really test the limits of your firepower.
>>739057739HAHA ALIEN ZAPPER GO BZZZZZZZZ
>>739057758>especially with the inventory management.a simple "move all" or "group items" button would literally fix all the gripes i currently have with the game
>>739057758You can get a party van that can use bigger guns. Just gotta buy tank treads
>Item description json has an entry for a pilotable hospital bed
Latest spacer politics developmentshttps://files.catbox.moe/qcpak2.mp4
>>739059094it's a stretcher, and they spawn in the test levels you access through the debug menu.
I am the anon who an heroed himself with his own Rounder. After wiping my save i decided to do a final self imposed "get rich quick scheme" challenge. Basically do the tutorial>get the gentry upgrade kit along with a loader varlet and beeline for the sinkhole the first chance you get. I learned that the chobbers on later levels have hand grenades AND the AI can chuck them. Did you know a nade one taps the loyalist gear? I know now. A shocking revelation to have when the chobbers recreate the storming of Normandy while all i have are scavenged <15 weight guns. Replace the binoculars with a nade you get in the tutorial missions suitcase when you go deeper after level 3 so you can clear out the ambush. I also learned that 3 cinderblocks all at the same time are a horrific power spike when the AI stops making out with walls and just rushes you. A bonesaw did not save my 20 hp ass on the second attempt when each cinderblock gets up very fast after being downed which makes it a problem for the saw to stun all of them.Loader varlet is also MVP cover in a pinch and binoculars+positioning is king when you do not have a carmine to carry you. In the end the scheme is doable but you need to avoid getting unlucky with a spawn of cinderblocks RIGHT at the start.
>>739058625They should also have a counter for how many items you have in your stash, and the price/weight/stack cap should be shown in the inspect screen.>>739058897I bought the spacer tank from the merchant for 50k, it's basically the heaviest piece of armor you can field and can equip most of the guns in the merchant's heavy guns crate. It can basically shoot halfway across every map in the demo, while 800/400 HP/shield is nearly impossible for anything in the demo to take down; it's more likely you yourself will destroy it by accident.
>>739057739Trvke. I can justify carrying hi-cells on a big fuck off cannon like the sarissa (where you can get a way more impressive destruction-per-cell unit ratio and a far more impressive reach). But on a short range mediumweight weapon like the xochi it's just a lame deadweight
>>739057329Xo melts cars great, but the big laser cannon is stupid, its basically a Rocket >>739060008I'm ok for now with party van, but I might want better for that hell map
>>739059964Porco weighs 11Porco on footPorco in a cinderblockDual Porcos on a Fork LiftPorco!Porco!Porco.
>>739039406>I don't have any cause all the shit cars I just disassembleAnon, you gotta upgun the starter cars and work your way up to the big boy toys, not jump directly into a Betka or whatever. There's a panel van in Roundabout that's easy to snag. Just get that, mount a box on it, and use that to grab what you need. Once you can upgun it and put a loader on it you'll have a dependable little loot van as long as you can keep it fed.
>>739060268I think sarissa is SUPPOSED to consume way, way more cells. The other one is REALLY impressive for melting apcs. Feels closer to intended balance. Also sarissa demands a larger mount doesn't it??
>Finally find a second Black Hand>that means it's safe to bring out on a mission>kind of disappointed by it, doesn't melt shit with the same intensity>pick up Cendrillion>it's literally Black Hand but better>magazine instead of single shot>loads plentiful high cells instead of ridiculously rare ultra cells>longer range, creates a circle of gamma radiation around the point of impact instead of a short coneIt's heavier, but that's the only draw back. Love me war croimes.
I love how various pipe guns look like ridiculous contraptions but at the same time seem mechanically feasible.
>>739060585Brazil has a proud history in home gunsmithing
>>739060585I'm certain I've seen some of them in photos irl.The shitty little 45acp single shot zip gun definitely exists. The best part is that both in-game and in real life, "mechanically feasible" is a very generous way to put it.I'd prefer "maybe can shoot a bullet, in a direction."Luv me Obrez.
>>739060585someone i brazil actually built that thing i believe. look up the bootleg gunz page on faceberg
>>739060585It's literally a Grease Gun anon
>>739061060That's a staple gun, the grease gun is the Senor Graxa
>>739061191I wanted to call you a faggot, but the body looks strikingly similar.
>>739061374>but the body looks strikingly similar.nigga how? one is more conventionally gun-like (albeit crude) with proper trigger, grip, stock and everything and the other one is literally a stapler with a barrel welded on
>>739061584I meant the body of the Graxa looks strikingly similar to the Grease Gun.YOU ILLITERATE FUCKING MONKEY
>>739060867Iirc the wild cat little shotgun is based loosely on a janky pump action 50 cal pulled from gangsters in Brazil
>>739060585Hey so long as it works
>>739062036>We steal from the rich and we give to the po--KABOOM!
When is your game fucking coming out
>>739063615Only another decade or two
>>739063615in two years
>>739063615Hopefully soon, but demo was .5 so ... halfway done??? Or might hit early access at least, I'd happily buy it
How do I prioritize loot? I'm not confident enough to bring my own truck yet and a random cop car can carry only so much small crates.
>>739064771You can grab a stock van on a lot of maps, wilderness has one near the start behind the gas station and roundabout has one down south, and that can carry 300 units of loot by itself. If you mod it to be a loader it can carry two big crates and one small one on top of that.
>>739063615Hopefully soon now that the drama around the artist has blown over
>>739064771Priorities serve a goal, anon. If there's something specific you want to build, get parts for it. If you have a gun you like, grab the ammo for it when you see it. There's not really a best way to prioritize devoid of any context. Basically, don't stress over it too much, be willing to experience and learn and you'll be fine.
>>739064698>Or might hit early access at least, I'd happily buy itI think that's the plan for after Next Fest
>>739064771>find a Panel Van from the early missions>upgrade it as soon as possible, not just for capacity, but because the loader also provides QoL by letting you loot without leading the van>try to get a good weapon that can deal with APCs>farm Vanderberg until you get 10k dosh>buy a light guns crate from the merchant (bring an upgraded Panel Van) for 10k>sell the ammo from the crate at the merchant to cheese more money (do this as much as you need for infinite money)>take the box which has 5000 capacity>loot fucking everything with your 5000 capacity box
>>739064771vans are common, and while you need to upgrade one to upgunned or loader to pack a large crate, the base panel van has an inventory of 300.0enough room to carry a single lobo leg, or a shitload of ammo/parts/guns.upgrades are cheap too, you'll find the gun-van becoming an early workhorse, and something you come back to when your party van gets blown up by a ffffFFFFUCKING CORVID REEEEE.
Just got started with this a bit and it seems pretty fun, even after dying a couple times early on. I just upgraded my van.
>>739060534Doesn't penetrate buildings though
Current mood: Kopinski20 mm APHE-T1/3
>>739071391Because fuck YOU, fuck the guy behind you...
>>739071440...and fuck the building between us.And I totally fucked up the images.Have my spacer Abrams instead.
>>739071440You can mount that thing on a coffin, it's actually the perfect weight for the main gun.also how the hell do I make enough money for the fancy stuff? is there a secret stash somewhere or do I just need to grind pesos out of pockets?
>>739071725Legit options:>Vandenberg has about 4k split between two crates, but you need to clear the map to be allowed to leave>there's a bunch of money chests at the very end of Sinkhole>you can raid the police ammo depot and sell the ammo to the merchantExploit option:>buy light weapon crate from merchant and sell him back the ammo, you make infinite money (but you need 10k to start)
I wish I had more time for vidya, I've been enjoying the original for a couple weeks when I have time, but I doubt I'll get to the demo for this anytime soon between everything else. Still gonna buy it day one just from what I've seen.
>>739061652the graxa body really looks like an m3 grease gun with a gay fat laser slapped on top lmaothere’s also a 9mm smg that looks like a grease gun or something similar but much shorter barrel with a funnel shaped thing at the end
Is it a cakewalk like the first one?
>>739074804It's a little harder until you get a powersuit or a proper tank
>>739074804Like the first one, it really depends. It can be, if you bring your biggest arms to bear. There's not a lot to challenge the full size mechs in the demo at the moment. I find the first game cozy all the way up to difficulty 8 and above. Usually I run light mechs tho.
>>739071991Vandenburg is netting me good moneyI also find I like the geist as a main gun to pair with the cut fifty on the party van. It's accurate, rate of fire is alright, shame the ammo is so rare.
>>739071512holy shit
>>739075116Sorry, I meant to say above 8 is Not Cozy. That's when I'm at risk of getting one-shot from behind. I find calling it a cakewalk weirdly performative, because there's so many difficulty levers for you to play with. If you want it to be harder, there's a lot you can do to find the sweet spot.
>big slug on main>cut fifty on side>fifty makes everyone drop>big slug into stationary targetsit's too easy
>>739074804Its pretty challenging until you get your first vehicle with a turretthen its easymaxxing
>>739077141you can still be overwhelmed by chaff, even in a party van.enough bullets will put any vehicle down
>>739078376Not in my experience, a quick spray of .50 will make all those fags hit the dirt and then its just cleaning upThe only mission with any threat to your vehicle is that last one where half the cops are rocking RPG7s
How the fuck do I get not killed in Garage mode? Just a few hits from enemies and I'm dead.
>>739078608Shoot them first. Stay at long range and use weapons with good accuracy, or bait them round corners.
>>739078608Have you tried not getting killed?
>>739078608Dont get hitYou need to play pretty smart in the early game and pick fights you can quickly win and retreat when shit gets too hot
>>739078608if you aren't wearing armor you need to avoid being shot, just like real life lol
>>739078608You're still running the 20hp Loyalist Rig, I'm guessing. You get tankier after obtaining the Carmine Rig from Wilderness, but that mission will be tough. Like the other anon said, bait them around corners and prefire a little bit.
>>739078376Wait, which enemies throw chaff?
>>739078775I think he misused chaff to mean a hail of bullets
>Carmine rigs are massively better than loyalist onesLeaderbros, why are we shit?
My fellow Solo Nobrians! I have received information that TBD (Total Brigador Death) will commence in 10 seconds!
>>739078775>>739078883He means chaff enemies, like the runts. The goons.
>>739078952Loyalist rig is mainly for when you're using powersuits.
>>739078952Carmine rig is unable to use the better vehicles. It's for on-foot fightan
>>739078608Also make sure to grab your free medkit in the briefcase every time you return to base, a full heal for every mission
>>739078952voltans on foot.loyalists in mechs.
>>739079093Carmine can enter the Rounder though
>find weapon with great performance>it has no audio
>>739079243Don't get used to that, it's unintended.
Why are there Corvids on Mar Nosso? I understand the Loyalists and Spacers being there one being hidden terrorist cells and the other traveling from one planet to another but aren't the Corvids just a gang?
>>739079530I think some corvids have their own sense of patriotism and had a desire to see solo nobre under corvid control with more freedoms or whatever, so I can imagine there would be corvid teams fighting the corporation. Or maybe they're just scavenging because they've all been displaced from their original home
You guys got any tips for farming creds?
>>739039406>>739039464>>739039501loader anything is important because it can browse through the contents and pick stuff out of one crate and shove it in another, no matter how big it is (so long as it fits)you cannot do the same with your hands.
>>739079795I think there's an exploit with selling some shit back to the merchant for more monies
Strapping this to a van is pretty funBasically a flak cannon on wheels
>>739079891where can you sell to the merchant?is there a way to scrap guns I don't want?
>>739080127you can only sell stuff to him that he also sells, but he does have some very common items you can sell to him like simple parts in order to get started on cash
>>739080030It's a very Corvid weapon.
>>739080030is that pot belly? got me through the apcs early on
>>739080295AyeAlthough my weapon of choice lately is the Cendrillion, near perfect accuracy, long range, great ammo efficiency, high cell ammo is bountiful, and can stunlock APCsdownside is NO FUCKING NOISE
>>739079795Yeah, reading the thread
>Amiguito my belovedI love this lil thing.Its some kind of gen 1 sten gun thats been redesigned with a folding stock and very little recoil.Works great as a 9mm submachine gun
I wish there were a way to save loadout presets
>>739080893kinda looks liek a ppd44.
>>739081134nah, gen 1 sten gun, rotated so the magazine faces down.see that round dimple inside the boltcarrier/ejector-port?you shove your finger in there and push back the bolt to charge/cock it. :D
Also anyone know wtf is going on with this obrez?Its clearly a mosin nagant with all the wooden furniture removed and cut down shorter (kind of like an actual obrez)but it looks like they shoved part of a german machinegun onto it to act as replacement furniture.I am wondering if its the MG3, or maybe even the older WW2 era MG42
>>739081482it does look like the barrel shroud thing on an mg42. weird
>>739081563I knew it.If you look at these guns, a lot of them look like they don't have any wooden furniture for some reason.They have polymer, metal, or some cobbled bullshit.at best you get grips that MAYBE were made of wood, but easily could be more polymer
>>739081482It's not a Mosin at all. You had it right at the end there, it's a cut down MG42 converted to bolt-action and handloaded 8mm wildcat.
>>739078952It's a pilot suit basically
>>739081794the hell it is...?The MG42 barrel shroud is EMPTY and the actual barrel is shoved on top of it...really?I was sure the top stuff was from a mosin....no. no I swear that is a mosin on top.
>>739082036>>739081794It's a cut down gewehr 98 on top of an MG42 barrel shroud. You can tell by the toggle on the top back of the bolt
>>739081482Its basically a hand cannon. I love it
ugly characters, offputting
>>739082272>gewehr 98yeah that looks like it.
>>739031035I find the controls a bit confusing. I wanna get into the game but idk, it feels weird. Do you guys use controllers? I tried it on my steamdeck and controller feels a bit nicer.
>>739082345
>>739082036yeah i was going to say it desn't look liek a mosin on top. >>739082272neat
>>739082382kbm all the way, baby
>>739082287I prefer this retarded 4bore break-action shotgun some crazy fucker from Volta (because who else?) built from a grenade launcher, and added an adjustable stock to.
>>739080583it's not supposed to make a loud pew, it's a gamma emitter, it just hisses
Now if only the game had something tougher to throw at you than an uparmored APC
Whats the biggest weapon mount in the game? The Rounder cant take a good amount of the largest guns
>>739083452cannon upgunned sprat van
>>739083452The cannon upgrade for the sprat van can mount some really big guns
>>739083732>>739083615kek, time to grab a tuktuk
>>739035207
>>739084117Wait, wrong clip lol.
>Arlo parts arent in game
Its kinda funny how wrong the mission difficulties areWilderness is medium but throws 3 fucking APCs at you when you youd have nothing to fight back with if you followed the missions linearly
>>739084397I've seen people use it. Hit f1>>739082540Less rounds, not as piercing. That shitty sawn off rifle 1 shots any person not in a power suit
>>739084718yeah it's a little funny, it would be funny if we had faulty intel and you get a mission that's supposed to be a cakewalk but then you get ambushed
>>739083231right now walking around in a Fork is the same thing as walking around in a Touro or a Broodmother. You're the top of the foodchain, and nothing can hurt you.I'd love a "flashback" mission where you play as a random civilian running around in their raincoat during the Long Night. You've got Arlo's flying around wrecking whole buildings, Treehouses blasting artillery at them, and in the midst of it all your street-level ass is just trying to get away with your life.
>>739084846fuck yeah that would be awesome
>>739084881oof
>>739084881sheeeeeeeeeeit
>>739084846>I'd love a "flashback" missionit should be the only level with no music if they do something like that. just the sounds of chaos and war
>>739031035Is this just more ofBrigadors or something better?Brigador was cool but it was repetitive even if you mixed up your loadout everytime
>>739031035I like Jagged AllianceSell me on this game.
>>739085028It's more but also different. Different perspective, you're a terrorist now. So you spend time gathering gear and then customizing a car/truck/motorcycle/tank/mech/agrav etc. And there's a lot of combat on foot with different combat exoskeletons basically and a variety of firearms and explosives to use. There's more of a sense of progression from shitty weapons to much better ones.>>739085129Isn't jagged alliance a squad turn based tactics game? There's a big difference there already.
>>739085234You overthrow a government so I guess that's where I draw the similarities from.
>>739085234Did they add sex scenes?
>>739085129this is like if you were one of the goons you fought in jagged alliance coming back years later to kill all your mercs for ruining their country
>>739084117Thank god the APC's AI is so bad.
>>739035207>>739084881That's the good stuff
>>739085336I assume there's a lot of preparation in jagged alliance so I guess that overlaps with bk. You decide what ammo and gear you want to go out with. Story-wise there could be some similar elements, as the other anon said.
>>739084881i cri evry tim
>>739084718I felt this way with roundabout, next 2 missions feel easier because no corvid holding those sawn off 8 mil guns that 1 shot you.>>739085517Honestly they are too stupid for my liking, and the fact a 22smg kills them at all is dumb. Wish armor EVENTUALLY had a cut off where it did no damage.
The way maps are named in the original Brigador has me wondering if there's ever been an effort to map Solo Nobre. I wanna know what the whole city looks like.
so kek you take her out with like 500kg of explosives
>>739084718Nah man you didn't look well.previous missions can get you LAWs in crates.I needed only 2 laws and technically could have done it with just one, by killing only the apc guarding the bonus crate, and the other apc east of it.I am confident that it might be possible to just avoid the APC's entirely
>>739086385nta but i swear i couldn't find a single law in the previous levels and I had to do wilderness with a thumper and armored van w/ turret. it wasn't until after that i revisited older levels and then i found a box filled with laws and grenades lmao. is this shit randomized
>>739084881forget that lame shit, run vandenberg ang build yourself some proper armor.only one up-armored APC to deal with, the on-foot are scattered around enough for you to reliably take them out in groups.Once you've done it a couple times you'll have it down to a routine and boom, a Fork in 20 minutes or less.
>>739086321You could try connecting them in order of closed casket. I doubt they would tile together coherently though , especially since some are dead end maps
>>739086573its random.I figured out the loot gen was random and could be varied with roundabout and got a loader van builtthen I ran through it a few times and got fuckloads of gear from good crate-spawns.funny bit of info when going after the second rig, the dromo or whateverthat entire fucking boss fight can be done without firing a single bullet as a carmine rig, but possibly even without it.I would kick the powersuits, they would trip, and then I would stomp their face in.same with the dude in the dromo rig.Its hilariously fun and I might have died if they had gotten a shot off (that hit me) but they didn't :D
>>739086385I went back and ran earlier missions tons of times once I got to wilderness in search of AT weapons and found fuck all. I ended up moving to later salvage missions and still never found any AT weapons until I managed to snag the cut 50 from the guy in chop shop and used that.
>>739086794what annoys me is that I found a total of like 6 laws, but more like 50 rpg rockets.AND NOT A SINGLE FUCKING LAUNCHER FOR THEM
>>739031035kinda looks like postal if it was bad... scratches chin...
>>739086858yeah the only RPG7s I found were from the sinkhole and the final mission on half the cops
>>739086743Kicking the shit out of people with carmine feels great.>>739086573You can find laws in shoreline earliest iirc, and they put apcs out of commission instantly. Very good if you absolutely can't fight apcs for shit. Also light enough for pistol slot on no rig
>>739086887>its a cop spawnthen it can probably spawn on lower missions if you are lucky.I had one cop drop a .50 cal rifle on the ovo-destruction mission.
>>739086928also why the hell are the APCs running .22 amerigo 177's
>>739086858Rpgs are regularly found on enemies inside the police barricade place set for demolition, place looks like a junkyard ruins. However enemies hold them, and they WILL one shot inferior vehicles
>>739087009probably just for mowing down random street thugs and rowdy civviesthe uparmored APC shoots 7.62
>>739086336I was really hoping we'd get to use the car+brick technique for that mission.
>>739086321>>739086737The wiki has this under the page for full linear solo nobre.
>>739087009Actually this checks out, as the real life amerigo was used for riot suppression, since 22 was less lethal than say, 9mm, but still absolutely scared people. Them on apcs would be great for quelling riot's without killing.Rl example is called American 180. So I could see it used for this.
>>739086887>>739086858I endedup getting my first rpg from a corvid at the purple city level where you get the cinderblock
>>739087170man i want one irl but it looks like a bitch to reload
>>739082540...Is that a bullpup revolver?
>>739087117I think the only other thing is this aerial shot that doesn't really look anything like any of the levels we see.
>>739087282It is. Usually you use tiny burst, long on cars.People definitely died, but 22 is easier to shrug off
>>739087369you see a lot of those overarching highways but i don't remember ever seeing water in 1
>electric cars drive out of control when damaged and explode violently when destroyed
>>739087350No, it's a sawed off over-under shotgun with a pistol grip and an extending stock.
>>739087350No.Its what I said it was.
Game is kek praised, hope it’s $40 on release to keep out the shitters. Keep it up based tranny hating devs
Does the party van still act as a loader? Or at least still have a large crate slot?
>>739031035TOTAL BRIGGER DEATH
>>73908757840 might actually be decently priced considering the scale they are seeking.
>>739087753how much are they trying to implement? i thought this was going to be a 15-20 dollar game
>>739087578>Keep it up based tranny hating devsqrd? Never heard anything about the devs
>>739087815some weird shit that went one way, then the other.anon is trying to stir up shit and since the devs kept their politics out of everything most of us dont care.some people say they cater to trannies, other say its the opposite.it definitely aint there in the game.
>>739087815>>739087895if you do a quick run through, the rainbow brigade tried to pull their usual "REEE NAZI" shit for no reason on the cofounder and someone they got doing an audio book.and the devs don't seem to have given much of a shit.
>>739087895>kept their politics out of everythingisnt this game extremely political, its like one of the biggest fuck corporations games I know
>>739087472It's mostly that the buildings are too dense. There's lots of wide open areas in Brigador, and other things in general that aren't just densely packed residential buildings.
>>739087815one of the main devs said some shit about trans ppl on a forum with his name attached for some reason i honestly have no clue what he said but it was offensive enough for the game's online community to go apeshit and he was removed from the team and then apparently later added back. it always gets brought back up and there's always going to be ppl who don't play the game because of this. but yeah anon is stirring up shit.
>>739087993>real world politics are the same as fantasy politicsgo back
>>739087669It has a large crate slot but it's not a loader, so you have to get out and move shit into it by hand.
>>739087993What if mankind is the true brigador?
>>739088067>fantasy politics
>>739087815Basically>artist used to post shit on some edgy forum where he shat on homos and trannies>tranny brigade dug that shit up and tried to cancel the devs saying they're all neo-nazis and hate mongers and what not>devs issue some half hearted apology and say the artist is totally leaving the team>artist stays on the team anyway and it's basically back to business as usually because trannies are retarded and just took his word that he left the teamKind of nothing really
>>739088152correct, glad you could understand :)
>>739087803This is the vehicle roster in the first game, minus some of the superweapons they added laterif they implemented these with the higher level of detail, as well as unique mechanics for the medium and super mechs, a lot of depth would probably need to be added into the destruction mechanics on top of what is already therenote the size of the Rounder tank compared to how large it appears in BK
>>739087993The corporation was on our side in the first game. They're enemies here because now we're playing the opposing side. Overall there aren't really any good guys in the Brigador universe save for maybe the yellowcoats that get gunned down in every mission.
>>739088238I swear I saw a blogpost where they said they were only implementing a handful of vehicles from each faction in this game, it would be insane to have all the roster from the first game
>>739088152This dudes family owns a bank btw
>>739088291>on our sidethey were a galactic megacorp paying you to slaughter civilians and cause mayhem so that they can take control of the city to maximize profits againthis isnt some shit about sides, theyre literally the megaevil guys
>>739087803No way, at least 30, this has been worked on for years >>739087815Is that the homo that made a video talking about "bigotry" of the brigador dev, and said basically no apology was good enough unless he sucks tranny dick, and even turned off comments because 90% was calling him a dumbass?>>739087993Only a leftist would look at this and ASSUME its a leftist game "its just like when dat guy burned down a warehouse in California lol".No, you getting paid min wage isn't the same as a corporate funded genocide. >>739088016There WAS the occasional pit on brigador, but it was More closed off in general.
>>739039683Lol this is great, is there also a killdozer?
>>739087993Certainly, you won't find a game more pro-liliuo'kalani than this one
who even likes giga corporations>>739088412there is. it's in the first game too.
>>739088238The fork alone has gotten a huge glow-up, It'll be great to see the Touro in its finished state. I'm more excited to see the power armor updated though, new mongoose using the cinderblock skeleton.
>>739088296i think all of the size classes will be implemented, but the vehicles might be more modular compared to the original game, kind of like how you can choose to put a micro car turret on tank treads or the proper small tank body, etceven if they don't add them all, it would be cool to add more mix matching options or even custom paint
>>739088362>but it was More closed off in general.It most certainly wasn't
>>739088362yeah its not a leftist game even though the lead dev likens the SNC to ICE
>>739085868>Wish armor EVENTUALLY had a cut off where it did no damageit would do no damage if you're hitting it on its front plate and from afar. the uparmored APC is straight up immune to 22 unless you can get its rear
guys im center left
>>739088291>They're enemies here because now we're playing the opposing sidePilgrim's story heavily implies that you are mopping up the Brigadors on the SNC's behalf, the killers are being used. The connections to the black market are way too convenient to be legitimate.As long as the corporation itself has something to gain, that's why the killers are transported and given equipment so easily.
>>739087993Not really because it approaches everything from a more or less neutral standpoint. There's no real good guys in the Brigador universe. The NEP is basically a corrupt dictatorship that rules with an iron fist and ultimately leaves most of the people of Solo Nobre living in sprawling shanty towns. Corvids fancy themselves as freedom fighters but they're not much more than terrorists. They're not above resorting to suicide bombers dressed as civilians or driving bomb loaded Tuktuks. Shit, they don't even seem to particularly care about their own how many of their vehicles like the ropekid and linemen are pure death traps. Spacers are psychotic space aristocrats and the SNC are just a conglomerate of greedy corporations who want to reclaim whatever assets they own on Novo Solo even if it means mass casualties. The game never takes a particularly hard stance on politics.
You can hate gigacorps and retarded governments without being a lefty you know
>>739088817this is why REAL brigador killers scrounge for all their gear
>>739088913NO NO NO NO NO NOOO
>>739088647Your literally making my point. Any ocean views? No? Just IMMENSE bomb proof border walls. Closed off doesn't mean SMALL.>>739088692Or hes listing ice because faggot leftist sheep don't know about Chiquita banana Republic death squads, but DO care about ice peacefully deporting people, and occasionally killing someone who actively tries fighting or killing them. This is the devs spoon feeding your ass, and the fact you don't feel dumb comparing ice to death squads feeling a little off says a lot.>>739088692I'd even say back should be immune. If you can't stop 22 on a vehicle, how is it armored??? I think MINIMUM it should take 357 rounds, or 556
>>739088884Theres nothing to really suggest the NEP is corrupt or that their rule left people poor. In fact its pretty much fact that NEP rule massively increased quality of life across the board in Solo Nobre unless you were a corporate stooge or a criminal. Great Leaders rule was genuinely great for the people, and the SNC's only goal is to bring back the old days where life was hellish and profits were higher
Is MB working for the Killers now or are we just reading old articles he had written at some point?
>>739089120Who even IS mb? This ever answered?
never played the first one
>get a gunned up van>go into a tougher mission>die>repeatI'm too retarded for garage mode. At least this time I didn't get ganked outside the stupid van I guess but fuck me I don't want to go building another one.
This game would have been released years ago if the devs stopped felating themselves on 4chan and discord
>>739089148Marvin Beck. He's just a historian basically. He's actually an unlockable pilot in the first game but that may just be for funsies.
>>739089120Given we're assassinating even low tier mission briefers, I doubt MB is working with us, unless he cut some deal to hand over tons of intel as a means of forgiveness
>>739089148https://brigador.fandom.com/wiki/Marvin_Beckbros probably jerking it to those spacer lady mechs
>>739089148Marvin Beck. He was one of the pilots from the first game.>A disgruntled vehicles specialist with an encyclopedic knowledge of Solo Nobre tech and even a strong grasp on Spacer capabilities. Rumored to be literally a mech fetishist. His appraisal of opposition technology shows an admiration which suggests unstable loyalties. He may be willing to abandon the military simply for the opportunity to study new technology up close.>-m.p.C.C.And if you're wondering who m.p.C.C. is, it's Cephei Chatfield, another one of the pilots from the first game.
>>739089187why would you upgun the van tbdesu, that turret is garbage. it's better when you actually treat the thing as a van a.k.a just a means of transportation and portable storage space, NOT a weapon of war. the loader version is objectively the best version of the van
>>739089120Could be either.I have a schizo theory that the "fat corvid" that ditches the group during Pilgrim's book is him working under a psuedonym.
>>739089187if you bring the gunned up van vs APCs/RPG guys then you need a weapon that can kill them quickly from far awayotherwise you should stick to easier missions
>>739060867>>739060585I need this bad boy ingame.
>>739089313throwing the .50 cal on a van turns it into a god tier vehicle for both killing shit and hauling loot
>>739089358That is some fucking crusty looking ammo.
>>739088929there is big overlap between the kenshi aesthetic and the brigador aesthetic>my limbs?>scavenged>my guns? >scavenged>my gundam?>scavenged
>>739089313The turret can mount weapons up to 50 weight, which lets it mount anything smaller than a ma dois, including the cut .50. The turret's not the most accurate thing in the world, but letting you fight without having to dismount improves your survivability dramatically considering you get 450 HP in an upgunned van vs the 20 you have in just your pilot pajamas.
>>739089313I've never run into a mission where I needed ALL my cargo even in the gunned van. Having an armored gun platform for dealing with nasty stuff that could gank me is convenient. Wish I could feed my anti-vehicle options. I could just slap one of those on top but I can't find any goddamn .50
>>739089564the loyalist rig is actually sexy as hell
>>739089304I'm convinced James is wearing a wax death mask of Cephei's face. He did swear to find the man, after all.
>>739089698>but I can't find any goddamn .50The corvid variant of the chop shop mission has a guy to the east, just up the road from the elevator, in a powersuit that looks like a carmine rig carrying a cut .50 and like 200 rounds for it. He spawns every time, so it's farmable.
>>739089698chop shop mission with the corvid variant has a guaranteed .50 cal MGas for ammo, nearly limitless amount if you farm the first level of the sinkhole
>>739089704great leader had good taste
>>739089230I REALLY hope we don't kill him, i like him>>739089313Being in a van protects you, upgun lets you shoot safely from inside >>739089860Getting that mg is a bitch since it WILL fry you quick
>>739089698sinkhole usually has some in the first floor objective room. sometimes it spawns without though, you'll definitely find some further in, ammo crates have lots of in on the second floor, you just need to get a little lucky.
>>739089564>the fucking bulge on the Loyalist suit.
Will we get the gooner mech?
>>739089997I remember seeing it in old footage, would be cool to get to use it but i have a feeling we won't be able to or it'll be waay late game
>>739089913>Getting that mg is a bitch since it WILL fry you quickIf you use a sniper rifle, either the 8mm or the .50 cal one, you can take him out real easy since he never tries to close the distance with you.
True, but for every time I mercd him i got gibbed thrice. One round and your carmine suit aint stopping shit
>>739090640At max range he doesn't even fire back.
>>739090729All assuming you see him in time. For me he blends in a little with all the concrete
>>739090907That's what you have binoculars and a sniper scope for, my guy. You can spot him from much farther away than he spots you, and he hangs around the same area every time so once you know the area he's going to be in you know where you need to be careful not to move to far up while you look for him in your scope.
>>739090907isnt he like, bright blue?
>>739091052More like a dull steel blue. Point is he doesn't REALLY stand out when I'm already fretting about the roller mech and other dudes
>>739091052He's a kind of greyish color. I've never looked too closely, but I think the sprite for his powersuit is an untextured carmine rig. Turns orange like everyone else when you mouse over him anyway.
How do I put stuff from my inventory into a car?
>>739091381nvm i got it
You can get the Cut Fiddy in Garage mode?
>>739091450Yessir.
>>739091450Yeah, see >>739089843
As shrimple as thatFun fact: This guy is in an unfinished Sawbuck using the Carmine rig with no textures>>739091450Yup its off this guy on Chop Shop(Corvids)
>>739091541I also found an untextured station wagon
if you die in your carmine/dromon rig will you lose them too?
>>739088061He was never removed lol he just pretended to step down for a few months while he waited for the redditors to forget about him
>>739091848Nah, rigs are permanent.
>>739091848The suit stays in its little case in garage even while you're wearing it, so I don't think so.
>>739087993Fascism is the #1 enemy of capitalism.
>>739091848Soldier stuff is infinite for now but dunno if the devs will opt to go sadist route and force people to farm some parts to replace it if you suck at the game.
>>739091541It also acts like a carmine suit except better in all ways(except obviously no driving)
>>739091928Actually true. Hitler great example of that.All hail great leader
>>739091982Wouldn't I just rather use a mongoose then? Faster and shield gen.
>>739092079Yeah, but the wipbuck is obviously much easier to get since you can just loot it.
>>739092079yeah but this one is basically free after you shoot the guy out of it Not saying its all that practical, just neat that its a sawbuck
>>739032353>Its been extremely popularIt's a big game.
>>739092079sawbuck is the corvid equivalent of a mongooseit makes sense it would be a bit worseand remember that this is unfinished, as is the mog.
>>739089997If I remember correctly, that mech gets disabled, the pilot kidnapped and then tortured Liveleak style by Solos Nobre insurgents.
>>739091541the driver never once bail out in my playthrough, he always clung onto that thing to the very end
>>739092349Yeah I'm not really sure how enemies bailing out of vehicles worksWhen I mow down an APC with a .50 they'll stay in it till their dying breath, but if I smack it down to like 45% hp with an RPG, they'll always bailIn this case, he bails after enough .50 sniper rounds I'm guessing its tied to hitting a certain threshold of HP and the hit being big enough that the pilot gets spooked and bails
>>739089564Is there any Faber mercenary stuff all I saw was their APC
>>739089072>Technically this thing is a tool for mining and excavation, vibrates rock and most construction materials so hard they turn to powder. Hardshields laugh it off though and most metals will just make funny sounds, so the Temblor wasn't adapted for military use until the NEP needed something special for "dynamic urban restructuring", aka mouseholing. When the food riots hit their peak you'd see mog teams bursting out the sides of buildings, clad with Temblors and hydraulic claws for dealing with rebar. The powdered concrete would cling to the mogs and give them a sickly white look, hence the "Guriçá" nickname. Had people living in those dense habitation blocks real spooked, especially since more than one Guriçá team caused a building to collapse.>Around that time Central also discovered the Temblor does the same thing to bones and teeth as it does to concrete. Officially they don't do that anymore, though I've seen enough people with the hallmark disfigurements that I'm guessing it can't all be blamed on the Nobrean mafia.The description for the temblor from the first game. Great leader and the NEP are definitely not squeaky clean good guys who fight for the people even if things generally were improved under their rule.
Is the Carmine just a straight upgrade to the Loyalist rig? Or is there some minor trick like you can't run powersuits with them?
>>739093169You nailed it, it doesn't fit into the mongoose or sawbuck, mechs or most tanks. You can still ride the coffin and rounder with it but I wouldn't expect that to stick around.
>>739093169>Or is there some minor trick like you can't run powersuits with them?Bingo.iirc the dromon doesn't have this drawback, but it's generally considered not as good as the carmine.
When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign out in front of my house that said "Dead Brigger Storage"?
>>739093326I can imagine the coffin being pilotable with a carmine suit considering it's completely open and you just kind of sit on top of the thing like a bike
I have so much ammo for guns I dont have, and so many guns with ammo I dont have
>>739089120>>739089230>>739089319>>739089913I was looking through the news posts for the game on steam and I noticed a description for the rasmus gun that isn't currently in-game.>Time to feed it a few more corporate bastards.Seems like Marvin really is with us after all.
>see a lobo suit on my first trip into the sinkhole>don't have a box to carry the legs off in>never see it againI want my coffin goddamnit.
>>739093724He really must've finessed the hell out of us
>>739093832The Space Sniper has three adds that can drop lobo legs. Do the above-ground mission since you can just speed past all the cops.
>Sinkhole is target city>Only vehicle worth bringing is the warehouse on wheels Had way too many close calls in the van in here
>>739093832get a carmine rig and a loader of some kindrun through the dromo mission, either one.bring a LAW if you run the second one to take out the APC (it will smack it so hard the driver will bail)once you get to the second stage, sneak/run up to each suit and kick the everliving shit out of them.keep circling to their back so they cannot get a bead on you. duck behind a pillar so they get close as wellwhen the sniper appears, duck behind a pillar, let him get close, and kick him.grab your loader vehicle, and stuff the legs of the suits into it, preferably into some large crates you have preloaded into it.
>>739093724This one too, which I don't think is in-game either.
>>739094008Rasmus is indeed blank
>>739094048Lodi*
>>739093832I found a guy on chop shop piloting a coffin. Don't know if he spawns every time, but if you take him out you can just steal the completed thing directly and patch it up.
>up armoring the APC fixes itHell yeah. Double Porcos all the way across the sky motherfucker. >>739094008Oh, the Lodi is just straight up a mare's leg. That explains why it's in .357 I guess but I'd totally misread that art in game.This is admittedly kino as hell but also why the fuck. These things are not operable one-handed. Although now I really want a huge laser sight to put on one.
also gotta love how in universe everyone loves to throw a gigantic laser on every gun or just strap a full sized utility flashlight onto anything
>>739093724Wait, this thing is an Type 99, no this shit is a fucking Madsen holy shit.
The WIP guns have to be AI generated or something. Like look at this stuff
>>739094318dont you dare call this genius shit AI
>>739094286>>739093724Checks out.
>>739094318The Obrez is a cut down Bonesaw barrel that's been converted into a bolt action. The barrel being mounted on top of the shroud is incredibly questionable but it's a homemade pipe rifle firing homemade ammo, it doesn't need to be that sensible. Why it's got what I think is a luger handle and AK folding stock idk. That shit is probably supposed to be made out of whatever the owner could find.
>>739094286Yeah, there's a bunch of modern day guns in here.Some are obscured by the giant ass laser sights the people of this universe like to slap on every weapon, like the standard police pistol which is actually just a 1911.
So whats the pinball? Some mech pilot just going on a blind rampage for revenge?
Finally...a magazine fed GL
>>739094781Considering the opening dialogue I assume it's either another branch of our own organization or at the very least someone else with the same idea.
>>739094962it's fantastic.
>oh hey the Jericho, I kind of remember that one, how does it fir--PFFOh holy fuck the fart gun hits hard.
>>739094781>>739095147I assumed it was spacers having their sick idea of fun
>>739084881omg anon WATCH OU
What's been happening to the cars I keep bringing in? Do they just autoscrap them?
What are we, some kinda Brigador Killers?
>>739095492you have to park them on the green parking slots w/ repair thingie. if you don't they are scrapped i think, the game hsould tell you this every time you pick a mission and leave if your vehicels aren't on the slots
>>739095303>SOLO NOBRE IS BURNING>YOUR PEOPLE KILLED FOR PROFIT>TAKE WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU>MAR NOSSO BEARS WITNESSDoesn't sound like spacers to me. I don't think spacers give a shit about Solo Nobre or think killing for profit is bad. The ball also doesn't seem like spacer tech, though it is in their preferred orange-red shade.
>>739095702Frankly idk what's going on. I assumed spacers because weird ball tech and wanton destruction of dirteaters. I figured that spacers just want to kill stuff so they'd hit mar nosso or really anywhere they want? The intro text is clearly about loyalists but maybe it's deliberately unrelated to whoever is sending the ball into the field
>>739095594I leave it on the green one next to the loadout table. Does that cause it to be scrapped?
>>739096438not sure but i wouldn't risk it with a vehicle you really like.
>>739096438Yes, but you do keep parts, so should be able to rebuild it
>>739031585NOW THERE ARE TWO OF THEM
Anyone know where motorcycles spawn? I need a cruiser chassis and can't find any. I figured there would be one on roundabout or the dealership but no luck.
>>739040234Garbotruck can hold a large, medium, and multiple small
>>7390965852nd mission and chop shop off the top of my head
Can you actually sell shit at the merchant or do I seriously have to grind enemies who only drop 10 fucking credits each to make money?
>>739096751He only buys the stuff he's selling. I assume your real money makers at the merchant are going to be components and stuff since I think he's always stocked on those.
>>739096751Going to the police elimination mission regularly gives like 3k credits. Easy enough to farm if you can handle a single apc
>>739096751You can, but you can only sell the same things that he sells for some reason.Best way is to bring a van to the nospol ammo depot, load the thing up on the weird ammo for the larger guns (you'll know it by the placeholder MSpaint sprites), and sell all of it off. There's also that infinite money exploit where you can buy the light guns kit, then sell the ammo in it apparently
>>739095940>Frankly idk what's going on.I don't know if you mean in general or just this scene. Mar Nosso is the SNC home world. The SNC are the people that hired the brigadors in the first game to destroy key targets and just generally cause havoc in Solo Nobre with the intent of opening it up to be retaken by the SNC, which of course caused mass civilian deaths and devastated Solo Nobre.We're playing as a group of survivors from Solo Nobre who have come to Mar Nosso to exact revenge on the brigadors and the SNC who hired them.The opening narration seems to be directly related to the ball attack. I don't see why it wouldn't be, frankly. Also I still don't believe the ball is spacer tech. Spacers have their ball treads, but those actually roll along the ground while the pinball rotates randomly entirely free of its movement, and while the pinball shares the orange-red color of spacer tech it lacks the black and white striped motif that all of their vehicles have in some form while including a completely new green eye design. I also just don't think spacers are capable of that kind of power. We see they have tanks and power suits and light recon vehicles like a normal military, I don't think they have the capability to just deploy superweapons like that to just go have a little rampage whenever they feel.
>>739096751Vandenbergthere are two crates, both marked with road flares, that can have anything from 3000-4000 credits split between the two.do the mission 3-4 times, buy a Fork light mech.
>>739094407its made up of ww2 german guns for the most part.the barrel and action, as explained earlier in the thread, is from a gewehr 98 bolt action rifle.the bonesaw has no part of this gun.the bonesaw is a modern german mg3 machine gun.the barrel SHROUD of a ww2 german mg42 is being used as the furniture for the barrel.
>>739094407>>739096937also, the obrez is made for wildcat 8mm ammo.the bonesaw is NOT.the wildcat ammo is overpressure handloaded stuff that would blow up the barrel and chamber of the bonesaw.
>>739096795Despite selling them, the merchant wouldn't buy an e-engine, large or a set of treads off me, so he definitely doesn't buy everything that he sells.
>>739097096It was probably not sensed on the pad, its similar jank to your armory
>>739096937MG3 and MG42 have the exact same barrel shroud.
>>739097079>the barrel and action, as explained earlier in the thread, is from a gewehr 98 bolt action rifle.Neat, didn't know that.>the barrel SHROUD of a ww2 german mg42 is being used as the furniture for the barrel.I said the barrel was mounted on top of the shroud. I don't see any difference between the shrouds for the MG3 and MG42 so if you want you can explain it. As far as I can tell the recoil enhancer has just been detached. >also, the obrez is made for wildcat 8mm ammo.I said it was doing that, idk where you're going with this.
>>739096904just the scene, but it's nice to read a recap.really makes me wonder who designed this ball, guess we'll figure out when the full game comes out lol
>>739097154I tried absolutely every possible combination of the items being on the ground, in the box, in the vehicle, in the box in the vehicle, on the pad, off the pad, etc. until I finally realized he was willing to buy the complex parts I was carrying in the same box as the e-engine, large, just not the e-engine, large itself.
>>739097253I don't think its impossible a spacer had family or some shit on solo nobre. They are crazy, but some ARE also trying to defend it, even for weird reasons.Thinking there's no way a spacer would avenge it seems a little odd. Not ONE spacer would be upset??? C'mon
>>739097245I thought the mg3 was more different, I apologize and concede on that.anywaysthey would need to swap the barrel of the gun as well to make it work with such higher pressure ammunition.call it a minor oversight by the devs if they wanted it to be clear that most of the bonesaw went into making the obrezthe wildcat ammo even warns youI don't know how else you would safely make the barrel work.
>>739097450I wonder. who would win, snc vs spacers
>>739097253I'm interested to see where it goes. It's especially intriguing that the main characters also don't know what the hell to make of it.>>739097450Spacers hate land dwellers and think of them on the same level as animals, and they delight in cruelty towards land dwellers. I don't think any spacer gives a shit that some land dweller city fell.
>>739097557SNC is spacer, at least partially. There are terrestrial corporate interests in bringing Novo Solo back into the fold, but for the most part Spacers are the ones running the shipping between worlds, they're basically the Guild of this setting.
what id give for a loader partyvan
>>739097628That's the generalization sure, but you seriously think there's no ONE exception to this ever???I don't see them rushing to kill civies in brigador in many sections. Ffs we had loyalists killing loyalists, corvid killing corvid, you don't think EVEN ONE spacer at least thought solo nobre was kinda cool and decided to avenge it??
Didnt notice cops have these goofy motorcycles
>>739097643Wrong. Spacers mostly stay in their own fold. The reason being that they're arisocratic, snobbish, and psychotic dickheads who hate being on planets and think flying around in space almost 24/7 makes them superior to anyone who stays planetside. They most likely regard the SNC as nothing more than a bunch of dirt eating rabble who exist solely to dish out contracts to them
>grow bored of being unstoppable metal death machines>go back to being a squishy unshielded operator with an fn fal and a pair of binoculars>maybe pick up a shotgun during the mission, who knows>incredible shootouts where I only survive because I was able to aim over the hood of the cop car while crouchingthis is legitimately fantastic.I wish there was a mission with some AI forks and betkas puttering around, both to have something for my own mechs to chew on, and to see how the loyalist rig does against them.
>>739097946Spacers giving a fuck about a single city state, on a single planet, in the entire galaxy sounds super out of their MOIt certainly could be spacer tech but I doubt its a spacer pilot
>>739097946>That's the generalization sure, but you seriously think there's no ONE exception to this ever???Yes, because that would go against everything we've ever been told about spacers.>I don't see them rushing to kill civies in brigador in many sectionsThe description for the Arlo in Brigador Killers is all about how Arlos were far more interested in gunning down civilians than the recon operations they're supposedly designed for during The Long Night.
>>739098051Yeah while the demo is cool, as soon as you get something better than the van it just becomes hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby At the moment the on foot combat is the peak of gameplay
>>739096585Vilutian promenade has a bunch
This shit is peak
>>739082272>destroying a gewehr 98 like that
>>739097450>Not ONE spacer would be upset??No? Spacers liquefy randos for fun. They don't have families, they get slorped out of pods or something like Battletech Clanners and have similarly dim views of people they deem inferior (everyone who isn't them). Every spacer deserves every terrible thing that happens to them - they are THAT bad. >>739097523I just figured that would be an action thing more than a barrel thing. A locked up bolt is always going to be way sturdier than an automatic system by virtue of being locked up mechanically, and that's where handling pressure will be most important. All you'd need to do is figure out throat wear. Or maybe not, and just hope it doesn't explode since the Obrez is kind of obviously a cobbled together PoS.
>>739084881Get rekt nerd
So, is the garage mode more or less just a glorified extraction mode?
>>7390975238mm is the same thing as 7.92x57 Mauser , the Gewehr 98 ammo.
This thing is basic but damn is it peak, huge RoF, barely any recoil, and super accurate
>>739098348Anon means it would blow up a Bonesaw because the dipshit who made it has intentionally filled it with as much powder as he can without turning it into a grenade - hence why it's called 'wildcat,' which is a term used to describe oddball rounds that are based off of existing commercial examples, but not the same. Though I'm still not sure that's precisely a barrel issue.
>>739098348anon.the 8mm stuff the bonesaw uses is standard 8mm7.92x57mmyes.that ammo... is NOT a wildcat round.a wildcat round outright states in the image that it will BLOW UP anything designed for NORMAL 8mm (7.92x57mm)>>739098242locking lugs are one thing but the sturdiness of the breech is another.the warning on the wildcat ammo is supposed to warn you not to trust ANYTHING made for normal 8mmthat said,>Or maybe not, and just hope it doesn't explode since the Obrez is kind of obviously a cobbled together PoS.is a GREAT interpretation and I fully agree with you on that.
>>739098460>LR 300>basic
>>739098460this is the second time i've seen this gun in a game. first being stalker.
>>739098283it's more or less what i was hoping MGSV would be, and it isn't even finished
>>739098220I like the visual style of everything having a fuckhuge laser sight from straight from the olden days of the massive helium neon lasers, but on steroids.
>>739088152>Mark Ames>Yasha Levinedidn't know the devs were this based
>>739098532Basic compared to directed energy weapons and full size machine guns
>Coffin cant mount a Cut Fifty>but you can lug it on footBULLSHIT
>>739098532when your options are death rays, shoulder mounted bullpup M2 brownings, and sawn off 4ga shotguns, the humble AR will always be your bedrock
>>739098242Like I said, gross generalization, you don't think a single person ASCENDED into spacerdom, and held nostalgia for solo nobre?? Ffs there's dozens of individual spacer brigadors with their own bios. Yall treat spacers like some treat orcs, all named grug and using great axes, and not a damn difference between them.Reminder several missions with spacers have civilians around spacers and not being killed. Yes they are generally dicks but ffs, could EVEN just be that they lost money and investments and are mad. Yall are fucking retarded to think not a single spacer could think anything different than "every single plane Walker should die", and couldn't have a SINGLE gripe about solo nobre flattened, even as something as petty as "i liked looking at it through my telescope".Seriously its like you have no imagination here when an obviously spacer tech is involved. Especially if that's piloted, can't tell me the person surviving those impacts isn't spacer
>>739098656The better question is does it operate on extraction shooter rules or more like psycho patrol r where if you die you just get shunted back to the beginning of the level?
>>739098949how it's formatted in this demo there's a bunch of levels, you can do any of them whenever with whatever gear you have on. if you die, you're booted back to the hub and you lose your vehicle and ammo.if you unlocked the different armor suits/rigs you can always go to the hub to put one on. some levels have it so you cannot leave until you complete the objective, i think the assassination ones. but the salvage ones let you leave wheenver. there's also elevators in some maps that let you send a vehicle to the hub so you don't lose it if you die or something
>>739098949you lose every bit of gear you brought in to the mission or looted from the mission if you diethe only exception is one time usage elevators that let you send a vehicle (which can be loaded with loot) back to base
>>739099026Where the fuck can I find a suit outside of the starter one? I've got the van and cop car so far along with the the fuckin' nice 5.56 rifle from the second level
>>739099093the mission blurbs will tell you. they flat out say like 'in this mission you need to kill this spacer sniper to get his dromon suit' or 'theres carmine rig parts in this level behind a nospol blockage' or whatever. there's also a corvid suit, in a destroyed city with corvids rummaging through the rubble.
>>739098849>you don't think a single person ASCENDED into spacerdomNope. >Ffs there's dozens of individual spacer brigadors with their own biosHave you read any of them? >one chick is doing merc work for sexual thrill and got off on eating her own aborted children>Cephei calls dirt eaters no better than animals in his own unlock entry>chick who will backstab her assigned help just to make the mission harder>Aturo Nemi did settle down to have a wife and kids but at some point his actual personality was overwritten and he's literally not the same person anymore>a second chick using combat for sexual thrill, who only sees land dwellers as material for her gore fetish>the pilot who's gutting Solo Nobre as a Brigador purely for its academic value in her future endeavors Any active Spacer is going to be insane from a ground pounder point of view. If they ever grow out of it it seems they stop being Spacers at all, like Nemi almost did. Anyone active in a Creche is nutso though.
>>739097946>I don't see them rushing to kill civies in brigador in many sections.There's a spacer who literally makes it a point to kill civilians and pretty much only civilians.
>>739098849>you don't think a single person ASCENDED into spacerdom, and held nostalgia for solo nobre??That's not how being a spacer works. You don't "ascend" from being a land dweller to being a spacer.>Reminder several missions with spacers have civilians around spacers and not being killed.Spacers were originally on the SNCs side in helping them secure Solo Nobre. That changes when a client in Solo Nobre requests a brigador be rerouted through their sector to remove the spacer detachment.>can't tell me the person surviving those impacts isn't spacerThe pilot actually has a portrait in that mission. He seems to be WIP since he's grey, but he lacks the blue-red space suit that literally EVERY spacer pilot has. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's not a spacer.
>>739099415>The pilot actually has a portrait in that mission. He seems to be WIP since he's grey, but he lacks the blue-red space suit that literally EVERY spacer pilot has. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's not a spacer.>>739098849>Especially if that's piloted, can't tell me the person surviving those impacts isn't spacerPretty sure there's an entry from MB on the ball somewhere that implies it's basically a suicide weapon. A guy welds himself inside and goes on a rampage as revenge. Although that could also just be the origin for the first one, which IIRC was used to 'break out' of a space prison (and into the vacuum, but out is out I guess).
Why would a random Spacer give a fuck about Solo Nobre anyways?All the Spacers there are there because they were hired to be there, there arent just spacers out somewhere else in the galaxy reading their doomfeed going, "Huh, SNC retook Solo Nobre, I should really get into a ball of death and cause some mischief."
m1 carbine my beloved
>>739099783I can't wait to read MBs seething over this one. What the fuck even is the scope? Some ancient IR illuminator?
>>739099695fucked up but it reminds me visually of the shotgun shell suicide helmet a teenager made and used>>739099415oh shit i didn't notice the portrait. more weird eye mods.>>739099783wtf is that a giant ass IR lamp/night vision combo?
Anyone know what drops small actuators? I never seem to have any for crafting loader vans.
>>739099892I think they're one of the parts you can loot from the little roomba dudes, aren't they?
>>739099840>>739099850Its the real life 1st gen IR scope from the US military
>>739100016sexo.
>>739100016>even the foregrip is realHuh. I absolutely thought that was ziptied on in the model.
There are way more really obscure guns in this game than easily recognizable ones
>>739099892very first area, small crates can spawn with 2 actuators in them
Also, fun fact, the death ball actually has a single round yellow hatch on one side of it.
>>739100290what do you think is the most obscure one so far?
>>739099783Play Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
>>739100334NTA but maybe the Garcon? That revolver was actually used by certain parts of the French police force for pretty much exactly it's usecase in-game. The Liberator (the rinky-dink .45 you can get early in the game) was a real thing too, but I'm not sure how obscure it would be. I'm not entirely sure how many of the pipe guns are based off of real examples, it could be one of them.
rounder is fun
looks like the sarissa is a plasma cannon. neat
Stupid question but do Assassination/Retrieval missions actually give a reward outside of what you scavenge?Also how the fuck do I get a motorcycle chassis, I haven't seen a motorcycle like 10 missions in
>>739099295Lmao
>>739100690explains a lot
>>739100512Liberator is very obscure, only some were made, and supposedly many melted back down. And idk who would want to reproduce this shit
>>739100512whenever I think about the gign I immediately think of the revolver, but i think i'm overestimating the average persons knowledge of guns. and yeah the liberator was dogshit
>>739100709>Stupid question but do Assassination/Retrieval missions actually give a reward outside of what you scavenge?Nope, unfortunately
I really hope reloads get actual sound effects in the final game
>>739100709Chop shop and Nosopol ammo dump got bikes.
How do I spawn stuff in with the console?
Im not fucking with this awful UI/inventory management. Fix it and I will buy the game when it comes out.Anyone playing this seriously at this moment in time is extremely autistic.
>>739031585There is no law here
Is it possible to split stacks of items
>Upgunned Spratvan is the only vehicle that can take guns over 400lb>All of them have so much recoil that the spratvan gets sent backwards at 60mph
>>739100746Physical examples are obviously rare but I wonder how obscure it would be as a historical fact. I guess there's also the Hilfmir, which is based on the .357 COP. Technically a rip of that is in TF2 but there's so much whacky shit in TF2 I wouldn't be surprised if people just thought it was some other cartoon gun. Also it's a .410 shotgun in that for whatever reason. I wonder if the Bog rifle's a real gun. The cheesegrater pattern on the receiver makes me think no but idk.
>>739101252yea, with right click.
>>739101281It's called 'having an escape plan,' genius.
>>739099192Warlord Kanta is kind of what anon's describing but whether she counts as a Spacer is debated even in-universe.
>>739101281And a rare example of a weapon that'd actually be viable with the spratvan
>>739101320yeah i have no clue about the bog rifle, i assumed it was some bullpup slavshit sniper
>>739101381She's also a cameo character, apparently from Star Sector, which makes it difficult to include her in any 'serious' setting discussion. Otherwise we'd also have to accomodate whackos like Steve Lichman and Johnny Five Aces (as fun as that'd be)
>>739100334Unless youre a TF2 fan I imagine the 4 shot derringer is pretty obscure I think almost all the guns in here are obscure or have something obscure attached
>>739100690I'm almost positive its not intended to use SO LITTLE ammo, as its just way too efficient compared to other stuff>>739101589>Steve Lichman and Johnny Five AcesAre these characters also from other shit??
>>739101707steve lichman is a from a webcomicfive aces is from a cancelled game
>>739101575I thought maybe it could be a fucked up VKS but there's too many differences between the bipod and the furniture and such. >>739101707Yeah? Everyone in the 'Meanwhile...' missions is a cameo character (although I think Steve predates them). There's also a character from Cruelty Squad in that lineup. Steve Lichman in particular is an old webcomic character.
>>739101707MT Foxtrot as well. That one's from Cruelty Squad.
>>739101707five aces is also referenced in fnv with wild wasteland lol
>>739101707Wow no kidding, this thing is absurdI assume its not meant to use high cells, or theyre meant to be far more rare in the real game Probably the strongest weapon in the demo
>>739084846There's a mission I think in modded Brigador where you have to escape a park filled with Spacers.
>>739099742They probably wouldn't but there are exceptions.There was that one spacer that was prominent in the Pilgrim's book that explicitly wanted revenge and would go rogue, which went around the contract logic spacers bind themselves to.I do not personally think he is a spacer. The floating ball of death feels more like a corvid mashing spacer parts together. It doesn't have the sophisticated polish of a spacer vehicle but it definitely has the bizarre element down.It would not surprise me if it was the same designer of "Mother's Love"
You find so much shit in the sink hole, I didnt even know there was a non cut down M2
>>739102181I've had one of these since the second time I extracted from Roundabout and don't have a single fucking thing to put it on. Drives me up the wall looking at it in the stash.
>>739101707Yeah, Johnny Five Aces was a character from a vaporware game that originated from Something Awful. No idea why it garnered so much attention since to my knowledge nothing really came of it aside from some concept art and a general backstory. "Games" that have died at that point are like a dime a dozen and you can usually find them as doodles in a high school student's notebook.
>>739102064I don't think its even high cells, its they need to use like 5x the power
>>739102250Yeah I guess it is just awkwardly out of reach for the van
>>739102181that bad boy is in the first game but it's not until now we've gotten a nice up close model of it.also 'mae dois' means ma deuce so literally just a portuguese m2 My understanding is that this weapon not only predates the colonies, but space travel entirely. If that is the case then it's a truly venerable design, and one I'm told will continue to serve for the foreseeable future.-Efi
>>739086385If you are lucky, that is. After dying twice in Wilderness I ran Shoreline a bunch of times because anon said he found LAWs and thermobarics there. I didn't.However, Kolchak Park is piss easy and has a large crate that, at least for me, frequently gives explosives.
>>739102518I do hope the infantry get a little smarter in the future. Not opr8tor tier but a little less boneheaded would be nice.
>>739102336>-EfiAre we gonna have to kill her eventually? Marvin beck and cephei chatfield too?
>>739102714Marvin seems to be working with us, somehow, so he'll be safe
>>739102714Marvin seems to be feeding us info so maybe not him. We did kill one of the early mission dispatchers in Obstacle 1 though, so who knows. Cephei seems like he'd be a strong possibility though, given his character.
>>739084846Technically the strongest thing you can get in the Garage right now is the Rounder (spacer tank), which has better defenses and heavier mounting points than the Fork, but it still can't equip the heaviest guns like the Konig. More importantly, you can enter the Rounder in the Carmine rig which can't ride in the Fork, so in the rare occasion your tank blows up you still have some HP to work with.
>>739102827>so in the rare occasion your tank blows up you still have some HP to work with.The more realistic application is if you get snuck up on while looting outside the tank youre not just instadead to anything over a .22
>>739102827Tank being usable with Carmin is a bug, mind you
See you next thread, Brigador.
BRIGADOR THREAD IS DEADTHREAD MUST 404
>>739102252From what I understand the creator was a local lolcow. So Johnny himself became sort of a Sonichu like figure; an absurd character that fans venerate ironically.
