What do you call a man with one eye?Why does the angel make its cry?Who will call the girl who snows?I don't know... ha ha ha... I don't know!
>>739033008the philosophers were kind of a lazy replacement for a multitude of darkenrs like ch2 and ch3 had
>>739033458Chapter 4 was pretty conceptually lazy, overall. It's not really a Dark WORLD so much as a Dark "really big singular building."
>>739033008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0TXIXTzJEY
FemKris status?
>>739033552>conceptually lazynot at fucking all, what are you talking about?It's such a deep exploration into fate, the tension of the story tightens so much due to Ralsei's lurking ahead of the gang so Susie doesn't learn the truth, it makes internal conflicts between the gang and raises the external conflict with the Knight. I agree the pacing in Chapter 4 could've been better, but it's been so far the most dense, interesting, most awe-inducing chapter yet.
>Why does the angel make its cry?Another point for Dess Knight/Titan/Angel
>>739033008it's all (Me) haha
>>739033458The organikks and wafers were like Chapter 2's werewires and plugboys. There's supposed to be a lot of them and they contrast and compliment each other.Their dynamic as "priests" and "philosophers," both contemplating things they don't actually want to know the answer to, both consider each other "our ancestors," was cool and interesting
>>739034219I do think the philosophers dialogue was really interesting, probably the smartest most cryptic Toby has ever been, but it'd be interesting to have other darkners beyond Gerson, Jackenstein, Mizzle
Rudy is the knight. The knight uses baseball imagery because Rudy taught it to Dess. It represents their bond as father and daughter.
Fuck it I'd take this over other dess knight theorys https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlAp-QXuxk
>>739034419I find it hard to believe Rudy Knight cause why the fuck would Rudy do this lmfao that's some shit some angsty teenager would do not a full grown adult
>>739034489Rudy is very childish and combative. Remember how he keeps threatening to beat people up despite being bedridden.
>>739034564That doesn't mean being childish at all, he just likes to banter
The Dark Sanctuary -> Second Sancturay -> Third Sanctuary progression is the most amazing musical sequence in all four chapters.It's the perfect thematic wave, first it introduces the Prophecy with a traditional sounding majestic chorus for the adventure, then it questions "but is it really?" Changing to this groovy synth, like a re-telling of the legend meant for the characters to question their place in this Prophecy, and at last, it's the synthesis of both, reinforcing its magical feeling, but with the gravitas their fate is bound to an unstoppable tragedy that is The Legend of DELTA RUNE.Chapter 4 is the thematically strongest chapter to me and this sequence made it special beyond words to me.>>739034219The ponderings of the Organikks are part of it. To a degree I don't mind this Dark World feeling "less alive" than the others because you're meant to focus on the heroes themselves.
>>739034219>both contemplating things they don't actually want to know the answer toThe truth is that they DO know the answers, they just know that saying the answer will get them Gaster'd, so they avoid that by asking questions and leading you to intuit the conclusion.
>>739034489You don't get it bro, this is just foreshadowing that Dess learned to play the guitar from her old man
>>739033603igi
>>739033458>>739033552My god, it feels so good to have people broadly agreeing with my points.>>739034219Yeah fine, but the previous chapters also had a ton of one-off darkners around. Top Chef, the worm, Malius, Seam, Clover, Sweet Cap'n Cakes, Swatch, Nubert, Tasque Manager, Ramb, Lanino, Elnina, and others I probably forgot about.The church has what? The fire extinguisher, Tao (unreachable), Miss Mizzle, and Jackenstein and his pumpkin. Otherwise it's just the same ones copypasted like Sticker Star toads.
>>739034880And to finish my thoughts, I just feel it was way too early for the Church, that should have been pushed at least one chapter up.
holy FUCK it's realThis is like seeing an oasis in a desertSAVE ME ANDREW CUNNINGHAM, SAVE ME
>>739034951Andrew Cunningham is genuinely the only actually intelligent, insightful person in the entire UT/DT fandom.I don't know why it's so hard to find people like him here, but it is, and I'm so glad we have him.
>>739034951And yet he *still* ignores FemKris theory.
>>739035051It's been so fucking bleak man, I was desperate enough to try to watch some fag complaining about how Dess was written earlier (and being such a pussy about it that they put a stuttering apology at the start of the video) and couldn't last ten minutes because it was pure black coalIf we get new Cunningham kino in a week and we get a Direct with Chapter 5's release date in the first half of June we will be SO FUCKING BACK
>>739035317WE NEVER LETTING GO!!!
>>739035317What do you mean, anon? Don't you love shit like the Toilet Theory™?
>>739035356What if DEVICE THEORY was a giant fucking meme where you self-induce pattern seeking schizophrenia in primary colors?
>>739035356>>739035452I see this shit on my feed on the daily and even with how bleak and dry the current landscape is I still couldn't bring myself to watch this dogshit. There were TWO good videos since the 3+4 release that being Goldpro's ROOTS theory and the Knight conspiracy from Andrew
>>739034951he seems like a decent guy but i find his stuff somewhat dullgranted i generally don't watch theory videos, maybe i'll skim through it at some point
>>739035187i don't think he's the type to cover theories like that and even if he did, that theory is radioactive to the fanbase at large, the only video on it is the bong's even noelle knight is more acceptable that femkris, despite being arguably more schizo
>>739035514His video on what makes Undertale so special is THE best Undertale analysis ever, he's really, really smart.
>>739035507I watched a few and they tend to be utter nonsense or rehashed information. Pic related finally covered RudyKnight in detail, but he knew less about it than these threads do (he didn't mention the Asgore teamup). The only neat theory video was the one about the ch3 sword quest mirroring hometown.
A year ago from now, I had no idea how much June 5 was going to be the end of an era.I know all things come to an end, but sometimes it happens a lot earlier than you expect.
I fucking hate hearing any theories made past a few months of a chapters release. They're so ridiculously out there that it's obnoxious. And what's worse is that people will actually get pissed if these stupid theories don't come true. I don't understand wanting to keep up with this shit.
>>739035879I've been saying "The Gerson Statue was foreshadowing that the Roaring Knight isn't Dess at all" since very early on. What do you think?
>>739035982interesting idea, but since we know that the knight is a lightner due to ch3, i'm not sure how that would work
>>739036150It's not about the Knight being a darkner or lightner, but how about it's a botched attempt at resurrecting Dess.Also, you're forgetting we don't know what happens if a Darkner gets a human soul. Spamton said it would let him "look into heaven" and that might possibly mean he could survive in the light world with one, similar to how crossing the underground barrier works.
>>739035982Yeah I mean I guess that's possible. I think Dess is the knight, but at this point I really don't care as long as whoever the knight is makes sense. I think what's more important than theorizing is appreciating what the story is right now. Like more than the lore implications of the Gerson statue, that scene was much more important for both Susie and Ralsei growing as characters. And that's what interests me more than turning the story into a mystery to be solved, just enjoying the story that's been told to us right now. I understand that theories can drive discussion but it seems like that's all that anyone cares about after a while.
what if
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XKAxY_G6M0I&si=fAeLA43BY1_MmfLAThis video deserves 1 million views. I was against her ideas initially, but after watching the entire video, she actually did such a good job supporting her case that I now am 95% certain that......Dess is a human adopted by the Holidays, not a monster. Similar to Kris.The Soul is not the player. The Soul is Dess.
>>739035879Sometimes I just type shit without really believing in it just to fuck with people
>>739036321dess will never be a human because she has a gender and that goes against toby's stance on humansif the soul is dess, then you are jaru tier and can't justify the weird routewack theory
>>739036237spamton is a darkner, who are fundamentally different from lightners in deltarune, as far as we know there isn't any meaningful difference between humans and monsters outside of monsters having more exotic body shapes human souls are still special, or at least that seems to be the case, but i doubt they give monsters a super huge power boost like they did in undertale
>>739036293If Toby wasn't a COWARD this would have been a minigame used to display the new mouse function on the Switch 2
>>739036274I became a theoryfag during the ch2 days because I paid attention to how plainly UT hinted at what the next sections would be and I thought DR was going to do the same thing, hence the spade queens then mikes and tennas and so on.>>739036321>Dess is a humanyada yada alarm clock dess yada yada but who knows, toby might not even consider that one canon anymore
>>739036390Unless plants have unique rules to them (think of the unseen cactus character), Flowey is just straight up an object with counsiousness, not human or monster.
>>739036321>Dess is a humanNo. That's a meme theory that's been debunked several times over.
>>739036435the alarm clock argument with dess was always shit because it's just awkward wordinghow people stretched that into dess being a human, in the underground and not being hunted, is pure schizophrenia
>>739036483flowey is not in deltarune, anything that applies to him doesn't matter
>the Knight had an unused fire attack, called the roaring fireIt's Asriel. Toby decided not to use it cuz fire makes it a dead giveaway that it must be one of the Dreemurrs. The Knight has those star attacks that are suspiciously goddamn similar to Asriel's star attacks ad well. There's also this....1/2
>>739036550we don't know the extent of what UT rules matter in DRmonsters don't make puzzles in DR, but they turn to dust, but Susie bleeds, and so on
>>739035848It would have been nice if toby did another sweepstakes or we had more newsletters. But it’s coming so soon that there’s no need for any of them. And can you stop pretending like everyone stopped trying to predict chapter 5? It’s more than just asgore remixes and knight speculation.
>>739035514That new video is supposed to be his first real venture into "theory" content where you try to paint a big picture of the storyHis usual stuff is typically very grounded analysis where he tackles a specific subject and strictly sticks to what the game tells you about it, it was a godsend among all of the wacky bullshit people were coming up with after Chapter 2. Like he does a video on "Who is the narrator of Deltarune?" and leads you to the conclusion that it's just fucking Toby Fox, reminding everyone that it's actually very unusual for a story to have an in-story narrator and making that claim requires some serious evidence, reflecting on the "NarraChara" theory from Undertale.I'm looking forward to whatever his new video is just because I think he's credible in being very thorough looking through the game and level-headed about drawing conclusions from it. Even if it doesn't change my mind about anything, I'm sure there's going to be some new angle on something I haven't thought about before, and it won't be completely stupid.I also agree with this >>739035615, he uses a bit of technical language but his Undertale video is probably the most concise and effective explanation of "the point" of the game and why it works from someone who 100% Gets It
>>7390365762/2
>>739036576that means it's noelle she listened to rudy's advice and used her fire item
>>739036614>>739036576asriel being the knight would be so boring that I would never trust toby again (and he already lost most of my trust)then again he did say he copied a lot from mother 3
>>739036576It's Toriel. Toriel is the only one to use fire attacks. The Toriel at the chapter 3 darkworld was a fake. That's why she was stuck in a ball.
>>739036591we actually don't know how dusting works in deltarune, both the book and susie dance around the mechanics all we know is that monsters' dust is buried with an item in a globe, the how is never statedit could just be another word for cremation
>>739036513You're not worth taking seriously if you won't bother to watch the video dawg. I didn't believe that shit either, but she legit made a SOLID fucking case for it holy shit
>>739036321I remember when Jaru did this and the universal response was>"So, like, you're saying Dess raped her sister?"
>>739035317that whole video is just spookdude showcasing how much of a poser he is
>>739036613Yes, I hate when people think what made Undertale special was the vibes or luck, it really is just the deep cut themes it had
>>739036609It's nowhere near the same amount and vibe it used to be.
>>739036694Again, are you saying special as in "unique" or "popular"?
>>739036669No. Summarize the new information. The theory has been discussed extensively. It's not true.
>>739036721Does it matter?
>>739036654Pretty smart idea I'll hand it to you. That COULD have been just a crystal ball showing an image.... I'd need way more evidence but goddamn if that was actually true it'd surprise everyone in the fandom and would be badass
>>739036742Yeah because those are very different things.Other games were doing similar things at the same time UT came out, but it stood out in the crowd for specific reasons, a lot of them due to luck in some way.
>>739036638quiet mikefag
>>739036695I respect Toby’s decision to be all hush hush about this, but it’d be nice if he was just a little more transparent.
Right. We all know about Asriel's connection with baseball. And his antlers. Makes sense.
>>739036591There's also the inherent problem of the fact that all of this is hinging on the words of fucking SPAMTON. unreliable narrator is an understatement
>>739036858watch out anon, people will bring up the cut asriel's bat item from undertale
>>739036847Anon, we barely got information on what chapter 4 was about on those teasers. For a long time many (me included) thought it was going to be a Holiday Mansion dark world with how vague the hints where. The church was always mentioned as a possibility but only when that countdown page was set up with the towers we got a "confirmation" it was 4. 5 is just following on what he was already doing.
Berdly is the knight, think about it, the knight is powerful, smart, cunning, a man of action, all qualities that would also perfectly describe a gamer, and who's the best gamer in Deltarune?
>>739036654Asgore uses fire attacks, idk if Asriel ever did use fire but Ralsei does, and it seems that the Dreemurrs all innately have it like the Holidays all have ice magic
>>739036875How unreliable he actually is besides when he is actually trying to scam others?Tenna being a criminal isn't a lie, he was actually led to believe that for some reason.
>>739037001You say that, but Kris never used any fire attack, what's up with that?
>>739037067now now, don't make me look for an emoji of an anime girl rolling her eyes, you silly goose
>>739036956Yeah and that’s why everyone was more focused on chapter 3. And to reiterate, we and no idea when these were coming out.
>>739037067I wanna know what's the deal with X-slash
>>739036721Undertale is a unique game.If you think it's not because other games have done "killing enemies is actually bad" or "meta," you don't understand why people like Undertale so much.Undertale is a game that has a near-perfect model of the player like no other game does. It is genuinely remarkable how effectively Toby Fox anticipated the entire progression of a person's experience playing his game from start to finish, several times, over and over. The game would not work and would not have had the impact that it does on people if it was not expertly crafted to reflect you, look back at you, and pull you in.
>>739036669>You're not worth taking seriously if you won't bother to watch the video dawgHow does the video explain this
>>739036670>"So, like, you're saying Dess raped her sister?"that would be so hot
>>73903725890% of the players never replayed after getting one endingthe only ones that stuck around to see that were the hyper autists
>>739037307The deer is figurative. It just means she's a Holiday family member.
>>739037125Well, X is a cool letter, a lot of cool things have the letter X in them to show that they're cool, like X-games, X-Factor, Static-X, Xevious, either that or Microsoft is paying Toby to put the X in there as Xbox product placement
>>739037312desselle has more narrative backing than kress by proxy of suselle
>>739037320The vast majority of people who played Undertale were fundamentally compromised by having the premise of the game perverted into "play The Good Route and then The Bad Route" by Youtube commenters and it still became a phenomenally successful game in spite of this because Toby was that effective at modeling his audienceIt works at every level. You don't have to keep playing or do everything, the game encourages you not to. But you can, and you know you can, and it knows you know you can. It's prepared for whatever approach you take to it.
>>739036654>>739036747It would explain the "if variable: "Toriel" is set to true" thing
you can tell spookydood is terrified of being cancelled or getting stuck in twitter arguements this is his most retarded video yet (even if hes right)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECa4_RWtoHY
>>739037847Stop posting videos without summaries.
>>739038042t.18 year old kid with 0 attention span
>>739037258For god's sake, pull off your head from your ass, you're singing beethoven.Undertale was widely liked because>the humor fits perfectly within 2010's youth culture>many things got memed to death>it was a lot easier to get into compared to most RPGs>it was easy in general>the characters had charming and approachable archetypes>"councious" games that broke the fourth wall were trendy>it was a perfect game for streamer/youtuber reactions>the pacifist ending is satisfying>there is a built-in, canonical creepypasta mode in the game>the setting is great for AUs and such>it has enough "commentary" so that you can do essays about it, despite the fact most of the actual story is just a normal cartoon from that timeAlso,>how effectively Toby Fox anticipated the entire progression of a person's experienceHe only predicted the experience IF you happen to have very specific reactions with the game. Some people felt like playing genocide first, and a lot of things in the text don't make sense if you play that way. Some people didn't connect at all with the characters, thus the themes of the geno route have no punch.You had to be a specific type of weird kid/teen to be fully taken by the story, and Toby just happens to understand this demographic perfectly by having come from Homestuck and Earthbound, and by being one himself. Flowey remarking that Papyrus was the one that took the longest to get boring may make perfect sense for us but not to people who don't enjoy that sort of writing, for example.
I still keep thinking about the way Toriel reacts right after the Knight fight on the end of Chapter 3, very intriguing
Hey guys, check out this video out. Did you know the second hero... is actually Kris?https://youtu.be/atcmhLW0NX4
>>739038135I still keep thinking about the way Toriel completely forgets that a maniac slashed her car tires the previous knight, let's her child stay late outside in the rain without bothering to call him all while she gets shitfaced with the local janitor, very intriguing
>>739034951>>739035317>>739036613Was deathly afraid of committing to non-Kris Knight yet was Kris Knight's biggest enemyFencesitting non-committal faggot who can't think for himself and is afraid of being wrong after a chapter comes outEven Jaru is better
>>739038135Toriel knew the Knight was a good guy and wasn't trying to kidnap her. That's why she hates her being defeated.
>>739036321>>739036387btfo'd by feet and sansyou can instantly make a human dess theorist look like a retard by seeing what hoops they'll jump through to justify picrelthe noelle knight of dessknighters
>>739038282>>739038135Gotta admit I fucking am starting to love the idea of Toriel as the Knight. It'd be so fucking cool to find out she's far less naive and far more formidable than she seems.There's literally only ONE Toriel Knight video on YouTube and it's an AI prank video. Literally no one in the entire fandom thinks it's her, but I also can't think of anything that would directly disprove it. If we found out she's been pulling the strings it'd be awesome
>>739038375The antlered girl is Noelle, and her big sis is Dess. It never says the big sis has antlers.
>>739038282I think that corroborates my theory that Toriel is involved in this way more than people realize, and that Carol/Asgore is just a red herring
>>739038426Anon I was joking. The antlers and baseball shit severely narrows down the list of knight candidates. It's not that complicated.
>>739036321>>739038375>herSo this is the power of Human Dessfags...
>>739038462who knows, all her dialogue in 1+2 very effectively misdirected everyone about what the game was going to be about
>>739038375Dude, read your own picture. It does not explicitly say the big sis has antlers. Almost suspiciously dancing around it, in fact >the feetYou mean the shoes in her closet that are clearly made for human feet?
>>739038630If human Dess existed in the underground why didn't Asgore kill her?
>>739038434yes yes i know, im waiting for you to explain how asgore and the rest of the monsters dont notice or allow it.
>>739038674Undertale and Deltarune are different stories. Dess is only human in Deltarune.
>>739038630No, I meant the shoes that aren't in the same place with Asriel's sweater.
>>739038509I don't value your opinion, deservedly. I wasn't unaware she is trans. I just called her she because I don't struggle with basic 3rd grade level consideration for others that embarrassing failures like yourself struggle with
>>739038730Those are Noelle's.
>>739038736>I wasn't unaware she is transWe know you dumb fucking tranny, it's obvious in the first second of hearing your voice. Feel free to stop shilling your video here, though.
>>739038730The shoes in the box are Noelle's shoes, she has dialogue about needing to get shoes special-made for her hooves. The shoes in the closet clearly do not match the shoes-fit-for-hooves that Noelle needs. That same box has Asriel's retainer, it's not all Dess's stuff
what if you had sex with a darkner and came inside her huhwhat's your theory for that
These are very clearly human shoes.
these computer ports are very clearly made for human men
>>739038806>That same box has Asriel's retainer, it's not all Dess's stuffnothing else in the room is noelle's, but its established asriel's things are in dess's roomthe closet (which already has asriel's sweater) having asriel's shoes isnt a stretch
>>739038785You can bitch and throw a tantrum all you want but your hate impresses no one, it makes people respect you less, not more, and it materially worsens your own life. No one whose opinion is actually worth a fuck gives a fuck about anything you have to say you fucking loser
>>739038730>>739038856>>739038630>shoes for human feetHuh? Where was that stated?
damnlanino dumped THIS?
I think it would've come up when someone talked about the Dreemurr-Holiday inter-family dynamic if both of them had one adopted human child. Instead the emphasis is on how Kris is the weird one in town for being human.
>>739038941It doesn't need to be stated use your fucking eyeballs
>>739038926You can try to pass as a woman all you want but your voice betrays you, shilling on /v/ isn't going to fix this or the face behind the avatar you hide behind.
>>739033685This.It was my favorite by far. I had an autistic friend who was SUPER deep into delta rune iceberg shit hated it though. I'm seeing a trend of not really understanding WHY Ralsei is hesitant to give too much away. Could you imagine living your life, 100% being certain of your own fate? Isn't that eventually led to Flowley going insane? I see poor arguments about him withholding information or being whiney. The the first thing the little fucker learned when he was born was that he was going to die, that'll mess someone up.
>human Dess>Toriel KnightYou're too late, you can't bait me with stupid bullshit anymore, I know that better times are coming soon. Deliverance is upon us all
>>739038987You can see into the shoes? How do I know they're not made specially made for hooves?
>>739034951>being genuinely excited for Andrew Zoomer CunninghamGenuinely can't stand this faggot after watching him play OFF and Cave Story. His final opinion for both of them was just "Undertale did X/Y better" after he refused to engage with the games on their own merits. His theories are poisoned by putting Toby on a pedestal and thinking he took other people's work and improved on it.
which clover gives the best head?
>>739039049They aren't shaped anything like hooves. You're better off arguing they were made for Asriel, but the goats don't wear shoes.
>>739039000>I see poor arguments about him withholding information or being whiney.Some people view accomplishing what they've clocked as the objective of the game as an actual fundamental imperative and feel like anytime a character isn't cleanly acting as either a helper or an obstacle it's a violation of the RULES and an attack on them by the game itself. Another thing they frequently hate is when the thing they've identified as the objective gets undone or prevented in a cutscene.
>>739038816it creates mustard gas
>>739039151damn, I shouldn't have nutted into that coin darkner!
>>739039132Fair, I probably have a more favorable view of him out of a bit of pity because I don't see Toby resisting making him the sacrificial lamb he's clearly signposted as.I saw what you did to the last goat boy Toby, you're not fooling me.
boop da snoot
>>739038987>It doesn't need to be stated use your fucking eyeballsSo true!
>>739035051There's also halfbread chaos
>>739039132Characters withholding common-available information just to keep the player in the dark is bad writing (in a mystery). It leads to very obnoxious and needlessly cryptic dialogue that takes you out of the story.
good night and have sex with animals
>>739039302I wonder if Susie will straight up dump the final prophecy into us at some point in chapter 5, like Ralsei just dumps a dark world 101 right as chapter 3 starts anyway
>>739039049>>739039085i have no horse in this race, but how does /v/ think "shoes fit for hooves" look like?
>>739039302Good thing Deltarune only has elements that are smaller mysteries rather than outright being a mystery story.
>>739039058I've been informed by a reliable source that it's the right/shy one
>>739039294AAAAIIEEEEEEEEEEE AIIEEEEEEE THAT COULD BE ANYONE
So the black heart-shaped hole definitely implies Ralsei does NOT have a soul right? What are the implications of that?
>>739039475I imagined something like this.
>>739039302>Characters withholding common-available information just to keep the player in the dark is bad writingGood thing Ralsei's not doing thatYou're also not a detective and he's not your Watson
>>739036321>gingerbreadThe holidays not having a gingerbread man cutter because they remind them of Dess is dependent on Carol being the chef in the houseThere is no universe where Carol cooks for her family over RudyAnd Rudy would not remove something that would remind him of his daughters>hornsFunny how this guy didn't have a counter response to an obvious debunk of this, so I'll do it for himThere is no way someone as controlling as Carol would let her teenage daughter walk around in fucking Christmas headgearAnd the counter would be: we've only seen Dess while visiting for the holidays and it would be normal for anyone to wear that kind of headgearTo which I can't think of a rebuttal>shoesJust because one item doesn't belong to her doesn't mean every item doesn't belong to herAlso, Dess is a hoarder and would definitely want to keep it once Asriel was done with it as a keepsakeAs for the shoes being in the closet, that actually works against the theory because there are too many shoes for it to be considered normalSo why does Dess have those shoes? Same reason she has a mountain of baseballs next to them, she's a hoarderI stopped watching after that section because there is so much filler in the video and I got tired of skipping aheadIs Dess a human? Maybe, don't really care thoughIt's one of those reveals that don't really matter unless Dess's physical body is gone and the knight is just her determined soul
>>739039551The SOUL casts a light. Where there's light, there's always shadow.Ralsei is the shadow of your SOUL.
>>739039551If I were to only be given room for ONE deltarune theory, it will be "you dont go into susie nor noelle, your soul goes into ralsei"
>>739039581Ralsei is not doing that, but everybody else is. The prophecy is common knowledge in this world but they don't share it with us.
>>739039551Eh, symbolism that might be intentionally placed by the character it's attached to is kinda a crap shoot. It could mean he lacks a soul OR it could mean he thinks he might as well lack a soul.
>>739039475>i have no horse in this racethat's a shame cuz we could ask them what kind of shoes they wear
>>739039613Even within a church, quoting a bunch of bible verses as part of regular conversation would be insanely stilted. Why would the prophecy be any different?
>>739039475AHaving "custom" shoes can be achieved with a sock for Noelle
>>739039517Based!
>>739039551>the black heart-shaped holeIt's just part of his clothes. You can see it clearly on the plushes
>>739039658In this game Susie serves the role of detective. Her not bringing up the prophecy as something useful makes her dumb. Knox #9 suggests the POV character should only be slightly dumber than the audience. If this was a proper mystery she should already be talking about that.
>>739039294whats the human dess counter-argument to this?
>>739039845The deer is metaphorical.
>>739039587trvke
>>739038650I don't necessarily take it for granted Dess was in the Underground, but if she was I can easily see Asgore refusing to kill his best friend's daughter. Asgore's kids died, he would not inflict the same pain on his best friend. The kill all humans rule would only apply to ones who come from outside, not humans who are family to monsters
>>739039807And it's not a proper mystery because it's not trying to be. You view the direction of the plot as a mystery because you are trying to theorize about something that is currently incomplete. Toby does not.
>>739039845Noelle knight
>>739033859Ah yes, the famous crying, and crying, and crying girl.
>>739039613>The prophecy is common knowledge in this worldIt's not. Even among scholars like Gerson, knowledge of The Prophecy is incomplete and lost. Catty talking about how cool it would be to be one of the heroes implies that the Heroes being doomed to suffer some terrible fate is not common knowledge, for example.>but they don't share it with us.Why would they?>>739039807>In this game Susie serves the role of detectiveSusie is your Watson. Her knowledge and perspective is more limited than yours and she makes conjectures that are flawed but offer insight in examining them.
>>739037847The first 50 seconds is him bitching that everyone doesn't agree with his headcannons, that he knows the characters and story beats of an unfinished story better than the author, and he can do a better job than TobyWhy the fuck would I watch the remainder of this narcissist's video?
>>739039845Black deer = the knight. It's just saying the Knight is a boss monster, which could be any Holiday or Drremurr. The black deer doesn't mean the character is a deer, it means the knight, who is black and has antlers
for the knight to both be satisfying and not potentially confuse people, it would have to fall into three categories 1) the knight must be a character that every single player has seen/ spoken to at least once2) the knight cannot be one of the characters we see at the same time as them3) the knight is a lightner, as susie can see them running across townfirst, which lightners are mandatory to speak to/ see dialogue for?toriel, alphys, noelle, berdly susie, undyne, asgore, carol, and sansto my knowledge, every other character can be avoided if the player so chooses, except for possibly the rest of the class in ch1 but iirc you can just skip speaking to them if you talk to noelle againsecond, since we actually see and fight the knight in ch2, that immediately eliminates kris and susie as candidatestoriel is present, and undyne arrives later, which removes both of them as wellthat leaves alphys, noelle, berdly, asgore, carol, and sansof these six remaining characters, noelle and carol fit the knight's description the best due to having antlers, we can also cheat a little bit and say they both have some affinity for swords, noelle can equip the jingle blade (and the black shard), and carol has her two katana's alphys is interesting because she would not be out of place in all the prior locations where the knight is known to have made a fountain, this trait is also shared with noelle i have no strong arguments for or against berdly, the best i can come up with for the latter is that berdly is unlikely due to him potentially being crippled or incapacitated depending on choices madeasgore and sans have even less, it would be strange for both asgore and sans to be at the school during operating hours, and both of them should be working when ch2 takes place, leaving the ch4 fountain as the only one that wouldn't be too strange for either of them, although sans might stick out due to being new
>>739038056>you MUST watch this faggot's 1 hour video to even BEGIN to understand my catty bullshit vaguepost>i CANNOT summarize it in anyway, its just that complex
>>739040069Why does the Knight need to be somebody we have spoken to?
>>739039996Almost everybody goes to church. The church version of the prophecy is common knowledge.
>>739040114to confuse the minimum amount of people possible the worst thing toby could do with the knight is to have people go 'who the fuck is this'most of deltarune's cast are, like it or not, effectively glup shittos
>>739039587If Dess actually was a human, the holidays having the same "gingerbread men and monsters" cookie cutters as the Dreemurrs would be a perfect revealing-but-not-obvious clue to thatThat Toby chose to make it a contrast instead, another reminder that Kris is abnormal, says enoughThe shoes are just classic baseball/sports shoes and there's a giant pile of baseballs next to them, in case you somehow missed the fact that Dess was into baseball. They're the same shape as normal human shoes because they're supposed to be identifiable as sportswear.Again, if you wanted to subtly hint that Dess wasn't a reindeer, you could give her a giant pile of baseball caps that couldn't be worn with antlers instead of this nonsense with weird shoes.
>>739040069I disagree with the notion that the knight reveal should be written in such a way as to minimize potential confusion in every possible player. I don't think Deltarune is particularly concerned with sparing the feelings of a lowest common denominator player.
>>739040173I don't think confusing the least amount of people is high on Toby's list of priorities. He's more liable to lore dump before a reveal than to make something super obvious to not confuse people.
>>739040121And we are told that it is incomplete. You were given the "common knowledge" version of the Prophecy from Ralsei 10 minutes into the game.
>>739040334>BUT THAT DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION I WANTED IT TO SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE CHARACTERS ALL HOLDING OUT ON ME, FUCKING TOBYYYYY
>>739040229but if human dess is real, imagine the smell...
Longest WAIT for news since the start of DELTARUNE and you niggas still somehow find more bullshit to talk about to the point of having constant bump limit threads, how, why, what the fuck!
>>739040069>>739040173Undertale introduced Asriel ten minutes before the end of the gameDess is already well-established enough that the fanbase universally accepts that she's The Knight. We already have plenty of reason to believe Chapter 5 will dedicate a significant amount of time properly introducing Dess and what happened to her before she's formerly revealed as The Knight.
>>739038987that fits more with the "dess wanted to be human" theory where she used human shoes but modified to fit her hoof feet
>>739040367I'm not making the threads but as long as I see people saying dumb shit I'm gonna feel compelled to correct them once in awhile.
>>739040456This. Dess is Toby understanding Flowey's lack of presence through the whole story being one of the story's weak points, so he's addressing this by giving Dess more mentions through the story.
Why did she do it?
>>739040229The cookie cutters make me think Dess is human even more actually. It'd be really sweet if the human cutters were JUST for Kris to feel included, I guess, but if Dess is human too and they visit the Dreemurrs every Christmas that's a way more solid reason as to why they have cutters for both.I know it seems like the lack of human ones at the manor implies no humans live there, but you have to zoom out and ask why did Toby put them there in the first place, and why does the narrator have that "..." pause almost like Kris was expecting to see human cutters, but was surprised when they weren't there.I admit I could be reading the situation wrong but if the Holidays DID used to have human cutters, Carol would have given them to the Dreemurrs cuz she doesn't want to be reminded of her missing daughter while she's cooking. The ones at the Dreemurrs house probably came from the Holidays in the first place. It's not like the Dreemurrs would be able find human cookie cutters in the Hometown stores
>>739040069Why are you leaving Rudy out?Because he's an optional dialogue in chapter 1 and 2?He's not optional in chapter 4, what's more you see him like 5 minutes after the Knight Fight I know we all most likely talked to Rudy during chapters 1 and or 2, so he doesn't stand out to us in the churchBut what about people who have never seen Rudy before?Imagine this, you are Chad McThundercockThis quirky e-girl you're trying to bang is posting about some retro game called DeltaruneIn an attempt to get in her pants faster you start playing the gameYou skip all the dialogue and just mash attack for all battlesYou had to look up a guide on how to beat C.Round, though because of the gimmickYou do this all the way to the end of chapter 3 where out of nowhere some asshole beats the shit out of you and the game doesn't let you try againThen chapter 4 starts, you get to the church and what do you see?A coughing deer man who looks like that asshole who shicked the kit out of youNow stop imagining and think about itToby knows his audienceHe knows we would explore everywhere and talk to everyone twiceHe also knows there are dataminers looking for shitSo where is he hiding the knight info?Right in front of us, and in the context only a casual player would noticeWho's the roaring knight? Idk, probably the guy who looks like him who appears right after you first see him -Chad McThundercock
>>739038296People don't respect him for his theories themselves, they respect him since he puts in the work to catalogue every in-game aspect of the topic he is covering with a reluctance to make any conclusions that don't draw directly upon what is given in the game. Which while leading to him being very noncommittal also means he has the best, useful for the community to "brainrot theory pollution" ratio out there.
>>739040456i must admit that dess falls into a weird place where she's mentioned a handful of times no matter what, but still not actually seen, 'who the fuck is dess', and all thatasriel is in a similar position, but i don't think he counts due to being the main antagonist of the previous game and i would also argue that flowey counted as asriel, given that they're the same person
>>739040830he is optional in ch4, you only have to talk to noelle and alphys to progress
>>739038296True, if you want to make big gains you have to take risks and commit to a prediction. That's why I'll win big when FemKris is confirmed true.
>>739040229What if those shoes aren't for her?She keeps Asriel's clothesShe keeps his retainerWhy not have her keep his sports shoesIn fact it makes for her to have them if he only wears them to play baseball with DessAnd she's got the money to just buy a bunch of themOr she stole them for Asriel
>>739040229>They're the same shape as normal human shoes because they're supposed to be identifiable as sportswear.I actually think this is the reason. If they were realistic deer shoes they wouldn't be recognizable. People would ask what the hell they were.
>>739040903Yeah but seeing him is not optionalAnd his silhouette is similar to the knight's
>>739040552Carol has her thing with [Heart-Shaped Objects], her and Dess both being fascinated with humans would help justify Dess's closeness with Kris. It would also make "humans" one of the many things Noelle was scared of but Dess eased her into.>>739040795>if the Holidays DID used to have human cutters, Carol would have given them to the Dreemurrs cuz she doesn't want to be reminded of her missing daughterThis is the exact opposite of how we know Carol treats things. She would NEVER give away a memento of Dess. She would NEVER erase her from the family like that.>* No keys, no documents, no... handmade gifts, anything.>* Everything important... she always...>* ... keeps locked down at home.The value in a hypothetical like this is being reminded of established facts, traits and behaviors. But it's never been a serious theory, there's no point in trying that hard to justify it, and as far as I'm concerned the black_deer is decisive evidence of Dess's appearance.
>>739040984Good point desu, but I think the sheer volume of shoes points to them being herd
>>739033631Essentialy Canon.
>>739041127with that logic, most of the town suddenly becomes candidates because we have to see them when taking the most efficient routes across town and at the church
>>739041127literally no one will take a look at rudy and then go "omg that is totally the same silhouette as the knight!"
>>739041127>And his silhouette is similar to the knight'syeah he sure is, uh, bipedal
>>739041168temper yourself it has a lot going for it, but it's also incredibly easy for toby to just do away with it all with a single line of text
>>739041279>gaster hand holesWHAT DOES IT MEEEEEEAAANN
>>739041340>it's also incredibly easy for toby to just do away with it all with a single line of text40 or 50 of them, even
>>739041365i thought one's pronouns didn't define their sex there's nothing wrong with a girl wanting to go by they/ them if they so chooses
>>739034951I bit the bullet and payed a dollar to watch it now and man that Ralsei using heavenly light in his healing magic is a good catch.
>>739041245More logical than "it can't be Rudy because you don't HAVE to talk to him">>739041257You're right, they took a look at the knight and then went "that is totally the same silhouette as Rudy!">>739041279Are you being retarded on purpose?You better not
I have begun to believe that the Roaring Knight actually is a fusion of Dess and Asriel even more so when you think about how Asriel fused with Chara in Undertale, who is another "lost" figure, like DessNow the question is, are both of them alive, or who consumed whose SOUL to attain that form?
>>739041365>people will post this then say every character is a transexual lesbian
>>739038296>>739040939You guys wanna see him take a big swing, well he gave one.Light is associated with higher levels of reality and Dark with lower ones/spoiler]Out reality as a higher tier of existence in inherently more light based than the game.Light is also associated with HopeSo the Soul is Gaster taking our consolidated hype and hope for Deltarune and creating an object of immense Light within the games world
>>739042076I already heard that. It's not new.
>>739042076Isn't this like one of the oldest theories about Deltarune
>>739039998I watched the first 50 seconds of this video and he did not do any of those things at all
>>739041359They're called stigmata and they're symbolic.
>>739041340I know Toby is never gonna confirm it, but Fem Kris is already canon in my heart.
>>739042332for me, it's mostly about kris being the second herothat's the theory that fascinates me the mosttoby could even dance around it, it's entirely possible for him to confirm kris was supposed to be the second hero but never call her a sheit's coping i know, but i still feel like it's possible
>>739034489Question.Why is it assumed that the hand which presses back against Kris belongs to the knight?
>>739042630who else could it possibly be?it's also very heavily implied that the knight is behind the closed door in the church atrium, after you close the fountain, it wouldn't make sense for kris to refuse opening it otherwise
>>739042123>>739042168If that's to weak these days what else can I say?To quote from the same video>What you want Rudy Knight? You want Kris severed hand theory?>Nuh-uh You come to my channel we talk about water.
>>739034951all of these video essays and what not and not one person can confidently *write* their theories and present it in plain text. these things are a joke
>>739042231>i have a problem with december holiday and how deltarune is handling her story>i thought people would agree but it seems i might be in the minority>at least with the fanbase>distintion matters because fans and casuals view stories differently>mistep in deltarune's story and mistreatment of december holidayThe dude is deadset that a relitively unknown character is actually the main character and that Toby is failing to make the story about herHe went to twitter thinking most people would agree with his headcannon but he was shocked that most people don'tSo he assumed only the fans would disagree and that most normal people believe what he does and wants to tell people how he would do a better job writing the story than TobyThe dude got a reality check and instead of accepting that his theories aren't infallible he decided to disassociate with the masses and tell himself that he's not wrong and only a small problematic group disagrees with himHe's a narcissistic asshat
>>739042549>toby could even dance around it, it's entirely possible for him to confirm kris was supposed to be the second hero but never call her a sheThat's what I currently consider to be the most likely outcome. There will be heavy-handed hints that Kris was the original second hero, but it will never be directly stated. He will leave just enough plausible deniability to stop the fanbase from going rabid.
>>739042904So in your perspective the original three heroes were: The Vessel, Kris and Ralsei?
>>739042332I like the femKris theory because it's a nice blend of Kris taking advantage of metanarrative ideology that modern audiences take pronouns at face value and will defend the presumed identity for KrisLiterally doing Kris's work for themIt also sets up that not only does Kris know what's going to happen, but Kris also knows what the prophecy is looking for, knew that Kris specifically was going to be picked as "the girl" and promptly said "fuck that I'm non-binary, now"It's the kind of theory that's backed up by previous information, is subtle, changes how we view past, current, and possibly future characters, and most importantly: it's interestingI'll be sad to delete the hundreds of pics I have of Kris railing Noelle with his BHC, but it would be worth it
>>739043085Yes. I already explained it in the video.
>>739043085NTA but yesThe first hero was supposed to be the custom-made vessel the player would control with the soulThe girl was Kris, a lightnerAnd Ralsei, the darknerOf course that's assuming Ralsei is also not a stand-in for the real Prince from the Dark, if you ignore concept art
>>739034951I finished watching it and outside of the Light=The Players stuff its more so a really well edited complete guide to Deltarune symbiology, as to serve as a set up to a part 2 with the thesis that the Fallen Star created the Prophesy
the further this keeps going the more obvious its getting that toby reached a dead end with the combat and design of regular enemies.they are becoming a massive drag and there's barely any of them anymore so toby clearly knows.and chapter 4 specifically felt extremely railroaded with its bosses too, but thats hopefully just one chapter gimmick that wont get repeated again.
so i was looking at some official artwork, and noticed something weird about kris are kris' gauntlets actually cloth? i always figured they were metal but the folds in the picture are making me think otherwise
>>739043432The bullet hell combat is wearing thing and the only untapped design space is the element typings.But utilizing that requires making more a than like 5 pieces of armor per chapter and making them not just mostly direct upgrades.
>>739042718>who else could it possibly be?Anything else that dwells inside of that particular Dark world, or is capable of moving between Dark worlds?Based on your response, it seems like the idea that its the Knight mirroring Kris is based purely on a presumption.Given the lack of concrete evidence, there seem like there is ample leeway for exploring alternatives.
>>739043612its just too slow for random encounters.having to take multiple turns/minigames for every single one is awful.its fine for bosses because they are a highlight and do crazier stuff. and most of all you just see their stuff once.
>>739043523Could be chainmail, I suppose.
>>739039551Of course he doesn't have a fucking soul he's not a Lightner retard
>>739043523Merch is not CANONHow many times does this need to be explained? This is exactly the sort of thing Toby says that for, because artists do not know what is in his head.
>>739044689i'm talking about something as trivial as what kris is wearingif i wanted to be a shitter about it i could've pointed out that kris looks like the perfect depiction of a tomboy knight, but i refrained myself from doing so
>>739042630Nobody knows what the fuck that thing is.Everyone assumes that we already know everything about Deltarune and how everything works in the world, which is insane given how every single chapter completely changes our understanding of Deltarune and how everything works in the world.It's also insane given how we have multiple characters in the story already (Friend, the Knight, Dess, maybe Mike) that we know almost nothing about, AND how things are being deliberately kept from us all the time, on purpose, by multiple characters trying to work around US specifically.
>>739044783It doesn't matter what part you are talking about, what you are looking at might as well be fan art. Just because it is sold by Fangamer doesn't mean it can be taken as information about the game.
>>739034489He's a whimsy guy.The only adults that actually act like adults in this town are Asgore and Carroll. Everyone else is just 100% goofy at (almost) all times.
>>739046307What is that on the right?
WHAT IS AN ACORN
>>739040714No better outlet for her anger.Also, she was horny.
>>739046739WHAT ISANA CORN
[theory]You're all dumb niggers.[/theory]
I don't keep up with the theories, but what do people think about the song Don't Forget being directed at Sans in Undertale? As in Sans has gone through the events of Deltarune, and is now stuck in the world of Undertale.As I listen to it, it feels like it's directed at Sans as he's living in Snowdin before meeting Frisk, going day-to-day, trapped in the underground, stuck with his old memories.
>>739034951>people here payed to watch the biggest hack say nothingLmaohttps://youtu.be/8R9_rPTMsEQ
>>739046563Krissy forma de black girl.
>>739033008It's Gaster and Noelle btw
>>739043523I love how the armor leaves almost all his vitals exposed. Head, neck, under arm, guts, crotch, thighs all one small cut away from ending his shit. But hey, at least his toes are safe
>>739041446>i thought one's pronouns didn't define their sexTo the gender ideologues(many of which are friends with Toby and are even part of his developtment team) they are the exact same thing, genitals have nothing to do with it.
>>739033631Ambiguous and up to interpretation like all other humans, however...>>739042332This is correct, it can be canon in your heart and that's all that matters. That's what the other two humans are in my heart, at least. Extremely cute girls forever.
>>739034437This is just the old "darkner Dess with Kris's soul" theory but more metaphorical
>>739035514He's a hack that doesn't actually theorize that gets praised by midwits.>>739038296>>739039050Glad to see people here realize how much of an actual hack fraud he is and don't just slurp up the slop he puts out.
>>739036321Dess can't be human because she's an actual canon girl and humans can only be girls in fanon in this series. Also Dess being the SOUL would make a lot of things in game very, very awkward.
>>739036483Flowey is a proto darkner/dustner.
>>739036321>human Dessmeme shitWhat actually happened is that Dess wanted to become a human while Kris wanted to become a monster. That's what all the heart shaped pillows and shoes are all about in her room, she was obsessed with it. They tried to switch souls but it went bad. Dess got btfo and was lost in the code while Kris was left soulless. The Knight is Kris' and Dess' combined soul, a la Chara and Asriel but not the same. Different rules, different circumstance
>>739050354>species tranniesAs if Kris hadn't given me enough reasons to hate theythem yet.
Toby's gonna announce CH5 at the next nintendo direct isn't he
>>739050580He won't, and people will cry about it.
>>739039132Is this where a lot of the mikefag whining comes from?
>>739035187I am genuinely sick of hearing this on these threads so I'm going to lay it out for you the whole purpose of Kris Frisk and Chara being genderless was so that you could self insert as your own gender your own character. This was before the political transgender Madness that did not exist at all before 2010. They're never going to specify Kris's gender so there's no basis or solid points on theories revolving around whether he's a boy or a girl because it will never be specified. Get that through your fat fucking skull you broken record player
>>739039294It's even worse for the human Dess faggots, because the black deer has full animation and is only tied to the black monster, where as the normal deer is a general stand in for the monsters and is just the one sprite.
Chapter 1 is still by far the best one.
>>739039613They're not talking to you numbnuts, they're talking to Kris most of the time, who can be assumed to already know the prophecy.
>>739038434Dumbass they're literally a family of reindeer. She isn't adopted. Quit with this retarded Theory too it's a waste of energy and conversation when you know it's not true. We already saw what she looks like she has antlers just like her sister. Where the fuck do you come up with this shit
>>739042826>all of these video essays and what not and not one person can confidently *write* their theories and present it in plain text. these things are a jokeThat's what tumblr is for
>>739043523>messy poofy bob cut>canon exposed Kris pitsuooogh
>>739051305>best visuals>best atmosphere>best setting>best gameplay (no shitty gimmicks)>best soundtrack overall>best schizo boss>best jokesIt's not even a contest
>>739050580I thought they were gonna stop doing those
>>739051202You're almost right, but it's not because they're self-inserts. It's because they're mysterious creatures that are meant to be ambiguous. They're not you and you aren't supposed to view them as your own gender, but they're left up to your imagination so you can write their own stories.
>>739050580Nope
>>739052781That's probably more accurate. Still. Any kind of theory that revolves around kris being a boy or a girl doesn't even work.
>>739038282This is genuinely the actual Toriel character assassination and not the jitterbug. The fact she had a lobotomy after Chapter was ending.
>>739053063*Chapter's 2 ending
>>739039551Darkners are all soulless.
The setting of this game is too convoluted and confusing if they don't resolve these things in Chapter 5>Where is Hometown>Why is there a human living there with a family of monsters>Why in this universe, there’s a rule that if you stab the ground, black smoke rises up and carries you to another dimension where objects come to life.>Why the soul is something tangible that can be grasped
>>739040367Behold the power of Undertale and Deltarune autism
>>739041931I believe this but it's Dess and Kris
>>739053158Not a single one of these things will be resolved in Chapter 5, at best you're getting an answer for 1 and 2 in Chapter 6 and 7, but for 3 and 4 there will likely be no answer.
>>739038282Think this foreshadowed her recklessness
>>739053158Yeah not happening. It's up to you to heacanon a reasonable explanation, better catch those spinning plates Toby just passed you
>>739046307I love magical girl humans
Watch Ch 5 kill the series
>>739053158I think only the second might be answered in 5. You must cope that Toby loves vague plots.
>>739038157Kris is the man, actually.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1jD_FpkTPM
>>739053053Yeah, I agree. I'm content with all humans being left for imagination and not having canon genders
>>739038157>>739053610>FemKris has more viewsFemKris... won.
>>739053621Look how many annoying troons that project their retarded sexuality into fictional characters this causes though
>>739053428It's definitely going to be a make or break for a lot of people me included. Ch5's quality will determine ch6 and 7's as well. There is no hope for the last two if 5 ends up being dogshit.
>>739038926It's embarrassing how after someone called you out you went and proved it was your video that you've made after pretending it wasn't you. The way you type gives it away, you type like a trans person on estrogen with the "fucking loser" thing and overexcessive swearing plus projection mixed in.
>>739044878>yet more mikefag seething
>>739053424Who doesn't?
>this thread rn
>>739055874new andrew cunningham next week and HOPEFULLY word from Toby soon.It'd be ABSURD to let us go this long without a single piece of news.
>>739054603I'm not a mikefag, I think the microphone is Mike. I just mentioned him to be charitable to them.
>>739033008what the fuck is that Giorno Giovanna?
>avatarfag woke up
>>739056032>andrew cunninghamwho?>HOPEFULLY word from Toby soonNo need, ch5 drops this month
>>739056032>It'd be ABSURD to let us go this long without a single piece of news.No, what is ABSURD is you people constantly asking for news. Toby said he was gonna keep quiet for a while, in addition to that, he has said in previous newsletters that showing anything else would pretty much be a spoiler for Chapter 5. There is no reason to give a news update, because there are no news. The most he could say is that the translation is finished, which is pointless since you can deduce it by yourself. He won't give you news because there are no news.
Hey anons, Toby here. Deltarune Ch5. will drop some time this year. When? I don't know (laughs).
>>739056410Honestly the translation being finished is not a guarantee. You can't just assume something is done with Toby, it's not finished until he confirms it himself
>pretends she knows what's going on>doesn't like susie and noelle getting together>takes worldbuilding in fictional settings a little seriousIs Catti Cattenheimer a Deltarune fan?
When is chapter 5?
>>739056884Anywhere from July to September.
>>739033008A pirateAn atheist pirateSpring Baby
>>739056884May 2026
>>739056902No chance in May?
>>739036321>dess is a human>exists in undertale....
>>739057042No.
>>739056884Tomorrow
>>739056845no because she's still a yuritard... actual scratch that she'd fit right in with the posters here
>>739056289>>739057035I want a public apology from you in 2 weeks.
nerf the knight
>>739057137Look, a multi day ARG will start soon, which will lead to a trailer and countdown for ch5. Countdown should be 3 days tops
>>739056032Retard, you can watch his video now.>>739048016Of course the fans of the hack can't read
>>739057042May and June would set a bad precedent for Toby. Fans would start assuming that whenever he gives a prediction for a release window, he's actually lying and will get it done early. Not that it matters because there's no way the game is finished yet. The most optimistic yet realistic estimate is that the game is finished sometime in June, he sits on it for a few weeks, release date announcement in July, with the actual date being a week or two after the announcement itself.
>>739057431I'm not paying for a video lmfao
>>739057454Retard. Is this your first day on the internet?
>>739056845Times like these that make me wonder why Suselle is so good at filling me with revulsion. Yuri is usually enjoyable at best and mildly tolerable annoyance at worst but Suselle's probably the first F/F ship I've seen that I've hated with every fibre of my being. Like just absolutely reviled. So many people share that mentality that asking a suselle fag why is enough to trigger the victim complex.
>>739057491What's up with you nigger if you wanna say something say it
>>739053675It's a bit annoying but we wouldn't have this many different interpretations if it was completely rigid. It's a two edged blade.
>>739057326A public apology in 3 days then
>>739057454Nigger click on the link to watch if for free. Now I understand why this hack is praised so much when his fans are this retarded.
>>739057619ok nigger
>>739057610I said the countdown after the arg has concluded dumbass
>>739057684Andrew Cunningham fans really are this retarded that they can't click on a YouTube link posted in the thread...
>>739057760no link was posted in this thread nigger
>>739057326I'd be questioning how exactly have you managed to delude yourself like this if I didn't know you were just shitposting.
>>739053158Hometown is the above ground version of the underground world of undertale.A human drifted in to the city from the sea.Not everyone can make a dark world, its a power unique to the knight and Kris due to whatever shenanigans they did that killed Dess.Those same shenanigans knocked Kris’ soul out of his body. That isn’t Kris’ soul you play as in the game.
>>739057560nta but Toby could have avoided pronouns and had characters exclusively refer to Kris by name
>>739035187Dude doesn't even talk about regular theories, he will never talk about such controversial theory.
>>739057843>Not everyone can make a dark world, its a power unique to the knight and Kris due to whatever shenanigans they did that killed Dess.Susie made one.
>>739057809Retarded dumb nigger>>739048016
>>739057954it's private though nigger
>>739053675Troons are absolute hypocrites about it too>PROJECTING ON KRIS IS CONTROLLING>btw if you misgender kris that's an immediate assault on me as a person and I will post about this on twitter>SHIPPING KRIS WITH ANYTHING IS CONTROLLING>btw Suselle is literally cosmically foreshadowed and if you disagree with it I will call you homophobic and straightwashing>MISGENDERING PEOPLE AGAINST THEIR STATED GENDER IS BAD>btw Ralsei has been a beautiful female the entire time.
>>739057987I can watch it normally by using the link. Skill issue on your part.
>>739057987Maybe try this one retarded anon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R9_rPTMsEQ
>>739057843>Not everyone can make a dark worldLol. Lmao.
>>739058094He's just "merely pretending" after he got called out for being too stupid to click a link. Don't bother.
>>739058032>>btw if you misgender kris that's an immediate assault on me as a person and I will post about this on twitterI think it's reasonable for people to be offended by bigotry towards a group they're a part of even if it's not being directed at them personally.
I bet Frasier could figure out who the Knight is.
>>739058741>The Roaring Niles appeared.
>>739058740Genderism is a cult, Just read the BITE model sometime.
>>739053063Eh, I think this is just sloppy plot writing, specially if there isn't ever a proper justification in the story for this (ex. she was into the conspiracy the whole time)
God I hate it when theory videos include voice acting for the character dialogue. It's always fucking terrible.
>>739035187nigger your theory is built around hype moments and ragebait
>>739059045So your issue isn't with trans people being "hypocrites" it's with trans people being trans people.
>>739057860That would've been extremely awkward and sloppy, more than Kris always being referred as they/them is.
What are the chances Dess caught Kris and Noelle having their first kiss as little children?And what are the chances Dess decided to push them even further by having them open their mouths and wrestle their tongues together?And what if Dess had Kris and Noelle get naked and crawl into bed and have them begin to have vaginal sex for the first time?And what are the chances Dess had them repeat this action multiple times a week?
>>739034880I also agree with you that 4 is empty and it's personally my least favorite chapter but I don't need to say it every single thread.
>>739042718I wouldn't be shocked if that was just Alvin tied and gagged by the end.>>739054603Stop misidentifying me lmao>>739044878>every single chapter completely changes our understanding of DeltaruneI gotta say 3+4 felt the most cohesive in that angle, for better or worse they have the smoothest tonal transition between each other.That makes me wonder how will chapter 5 play out. Given how it was supposed to be part of the last batch, it might be just more of the same for once. Or it will be yet another twist in this vomit inducing carrousel of a game.
>>739053675toby's a former homestuckfag there is no chance in hell he didn't know what he was doing ESPECIALLY with deltarune. either toby's a massive fag who agrees with is troon fanbase or he's too much of a pussy to get them to shut up even when he had the chance
>>739059459You would have to write around it but I think it could be done without feeling too awkward. Kris is referred to with pronouns only a hand full of times iirc
>>739059525>but I don't need to say it every single thread.I'll not stop until I'm vindicated.>>739053428I don't anything but chapter 7 can actually kill the series. 5 may cause a fandom split at worst but that won't kill the game.Have in mind the mainstream fandom was mostly satisfied with 3+4, if ch 5 happens to revert back into the chapter 2 style I think the 3+ years before 6+7 will be smooth sailing.
>>739055874These threads ran on funny guys, no new funny guys means a bad harvest
>>739036654>>739037707The knight is either Toriel or Dess, depending on the timeline you're currently in.
>>739034951>>739038296>>739036613Hes a pussy for delisting his Asriel Dust hate stream, I don't respect a """Deltarune Analyst" who hasn't come up with ONE original theory.His gaster motif video is good, though.
>>739059045>>739059438personally i hate the troons in this fanbase for being massive faggots who'll blow a gasket if you even remotely imply is a dude... while also going how of their way to preach about how "yuri" krusie/kriselle is, depict kris as femmine as possible, and headcanoning every character as trans. buts thats mostly due to this fanbase being full of gay teenagers who are terrified of the possibility of being called bigoted
>>739041045>>They're the same shape as normal human shoes because they're supposed to be identifiable as sportswear.>I actually think this is the reason. If they were realistic deer shoes they wouldn't be recognizable. People would ask what the hell they were.yup
>>739036613>it's just fucking Toby Fox, reminding everyone that it's actually very unusual for a story to have an in-story narrator and making that claim requires some serious evidence, reflecting on the "NarraChara" theory from Undertale.I wish he mentioned the fact the only time the narrator speaks in first person is in "My Castle Town". It's similar to the first time that the narrator speaks in Undertale when declaring that she's Chara.
>>739038951stupid sexy nose
>>739060139>I don't respect a """Deltarune Analyst" who hasn't come up with ONE original theory.That's what the new video is, thougheverbeit
>>739039884>I don't necessarily take it for granted Dess was in the Underground,The absolute mental gymnastics that the Undertale scene of Sans talking about Dess existing is both canon evidence that Dess is a human, but also non-canon because it doesn't make sense for a human Dess to exist in Undertale.
>>739057843>don't fuck with Deltarune fans, we don't play our game
>>739060275A snoot, mr. Squidward, a snoot.
>>739059725That's only in Chapter 1, in recent chapters they use they a lot when talking about Kris.
Minor spergout, but since much of the fanbase is underage or ESL, I just want to say that the use of a possessive determiner does not guarantee ownership. If Bnon steals Anon's bike, you can say it's "Anon's bike" as he owns it in a legal and idealistic sense, "Bnon's bike" as he possesses the bike physically, "Bnon's bike is actually Anon's bike" to clarify ownership, and so on.
DESS RAPED KRIS
>>739060143Headcanoning cis characters as trans is treated differently to headcanoning trans characters as cis because people saying trans people aren't/shouldn't be trans is all too often used as a justification to abuse trans people irl so people are understandably touchy about the subject.
>>739060529do you think we will ever see the white, upside down monster soul in deltarune?
>>739059438Your dysphoric lunacy is an abomination.You will never be a woman.If you died tomorrow your obituary would record your passing using your birth name.If your body was exhumed a century from now your remains would be correctly identified as belonging to a male.
Post your favorite fan-songs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skvd3Vtckyc
deltarune fans explaining which 16 year old they want to have non-consensual sex with
>>739060828Freedom's WAITing Room sure pulls my strings after how everything went.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqS3ia3y9I
>>739060317>original theoryif this post is true >>739042076 , that is NOT an original theory.
>>739061053noelle because she just looks sooo cute when terrified!
>>739061053
>>739061053I already said humans last time this was asked
>>739061053I want to have CONSENSUAL and LOVING sex with him!
>>739037001Asriel uses fire magic in his Undertale fight, the exact same attacks as Toriel even.
>>739036576the roaring knight is asriel and dess's aborted babythis is foreshadowed by the titan spawn
I think the wait for 5 is more agonizing than 3&4. I can at least know the last 2-3 chapters of the game will be multiple years away and I won't waste energy speculating about it until it's close to being done, but an announcement for 5 can be as imminent as this week or as late as the end of summer.
>>739061489this is also what ralsei isthey left them all over town
>>739037437Krisriel too because Susie sits on Asriel’s seat at the dinner and wears his clothes
Doubters have to win every timeBelievers only have to win once
>>739061723eternal ranfag prefers fox girls, what a shocker
>>739061840yet not a single foxgirl in his games
>>739050580There is rumors of a partner direct this upcoming week, so possibly.
>>739035051>Andrew Cunningham is genuinely the only actually intelligent, insightful person in the entire UT/DT fandom.WRONG HE'S A FUCKING RETARD>>739038296well when he does make predictions they end up being fucking retarded like thinking weird route noelle will be "wise to your shit" after chapter 2>>739060139wasn't it always delisted?
>>739061910I'm pretty sure deltarune has only been featured in the main directs, hasn't it?
>>739061997Ch5 isn't a paid launch title.
>>739053158>Where is HometownNew England >Why is there a human living there with a family of monstersHe was adopted>Why in this universe, there’s a rule that if you stab the ground, black smoke rises up and carries you to another dimension where objects come to life.Determination>Why the soul is something tangible that can be graspedDetermination
>>739061902My baby don't mess aroundBecause she loves me soAnd this I know fo' sho' !
>>739062053Neither was the 1+2 demo.
>>739062145True but tricky tony probably wants to get an announcement out sooner than later, hell it might even pop up at summer game fest if we are unlucky
chapter 5 will shadowdrop at the summergamefest
chapter 5 will have a release date announcement silksong style
Hotel? Trivago.
>>739062145No, but it was a demo to a later paid product, it makes sense that it would be announced on a main direct. The point is, +90% of the sales Deltarune will ever make, barring massive discount sales, have already been made, it would make more sense for Nintendo to take the ad space that could be reserved for Chapter 5 and use it for a brand new product instead, which will potentially make them much more money, compared to whatever additional Deltarune sales Chapter 5 could bring.
>>739036670to be fair the implications that kris hated dess because SHE was jealous of Dess dating Asriel didn’t help things
>>739057530for me it's because Noelle and Susie are interesting characters when they're paired with anyone else with interactions but when they're together it feels like two dolls being made to kiss each other. plus whenever they're together they only ever think about (you) and Kris
>>739033008If it were possible to live in darkworlds i would gladly move to the Dark Sanctuary. It's peak comfy.
Cursed images that grow in power every time you see them?
>>739062223>hell it might even pop up at summer game fest if we are unluckyWhy the fuck would Toby pay the +1 million dollar fee to get an ad on SGF for a free update to a game that is already on sale? It makes no sense.
>>739062543Damm is it really that much? dorito pope greedy af
>>739062568I mixed it up with the game awards, where a +3 minute trailer does cost over a million dollars, nevertheless, ads for SGF do start at a 6 figures, lowest I can find is 250k, which, again, I don't see the reason to spend so much on a free update for a game that is already on sale.
>>739061902Honestly they're so shit and have such shit fanbases that he dodged a bullet there.
>>739061415Calm down kris
>>739039337Madre de dios source please
>>739062737you just can't handle the vixen style
>>739062821>>>/v/it was posted here after a request some weeks ago, it's from that old rpg toby likes.
>>739062821If I remember correctly it was made by an artist here, so the artist name is unknown.
>>739060691One of the things I've been waiting since chapter 1 is to know how monster souls work in DR so I do hope it gets explained
>>739062863Go back>>739024527
>>739061053I'm just glad the ARG made people stop calling them 12 because that was dumb even back in chapter 1 and showed people's lack of literacy
>>739060529That is true. But Deltarune's narration consistently chooses to refer to Anon's things as Bnon's things, so when it does choose to acknowledge Anon, that is significant.
>>739062373You have to remember Tobias is in the big leagues nowHe has made multiple songs for Pokemon, his characters are in Smash BrosHe isn't just a tiny indie anymore. His games are full direct material, either you like it or not
>>739062863martlet is better
>>739063368You are completely ignoring my point, I didn't say that Deltarune isn't Direct material, I said that, a trailer for a free update for Deltarune, a year after the game released, would not produce the best return on investment compared to making an ad for a new product.
>>739063350i mean yeah at the beginning of chapter 4 the narration in Kris's room has them saying that they think they own (you). I want to give Toby the benefit of the doubt here and say the usage of Kris and (you) during events like these are meant to show a struggle for control and not whatever autistic sperg outs users have over who's soul it is
>>739063545The "trailer" could and probably will literally just be a song and some text that says "Chapter 5 releasing xx/xx/2026" Not exactly an "investment"Toby's been very insistent on not spoiling anything.
>>739061957>like thinking weird route noelle will be "wise to your shit" after chapter 2After Snowgrave Noelle is both aware that something is terribly wrong with Kris and determined to find out what it isChapter 4 then proceeded to throw this out and have Noelle fawning over Kris because they went and comforted her off-screen in between Chapters.Nobody predicted that Noelle's suspicion was just going to vanish because she's wet for you now.
>>739063414you can like pies and cakes at the same time you know
Never for me to play a beautiful melody on a piano. Never for me to go on dark world adventures with wonderful friends. Never for me to RAPE NOELLE. You gave me a glimpse into a life I'll never have, Kris. That's why I began to hate you. I hate your charisma. I hate your determination. Most of all I hate your freedom. Kris Kris Kris Kris Kirs Kris Kris Kris Kris Kris Kris
>>739062821Thank our drawfriends
>>739063729Whatever, you don't get it, it's pointless to continue talking.
>>739038103This is true desu. I like Undertale's meta narrative as much as the next guy but everything you said is the real reason it exploded in popularity. If it was just a meta narrative about RPGs it would've been a niche RPG, the characters music and world is what elevated it beyond the likes of One Shot.
>>739063792noelle's secret repressed side has kind of endeared her to me funnily enough. I don't think she's going to be some passive pawn on the weird route and more like an accomplice so I hope don't doesn't fumble this
>>739053158>the setting is so convoluted, where is hometown even meant to be?Is the Simpsons "convoluted" too? Everytown USA with no specific confirmed location is a pretty common trope.
>>739063792>Nobody predicted that Noelle's suspicion was just going to vanish because she's wet for you nowI'm pretty sure plenty of people noticed that Noelle was a bit of a masochist and that snowgrave was appealing to that aspect of her back during chapter 2. It's just no one was expecting toby to have the balls to fully commit to that angle.
>>739064125Noelle actually enjoying the weird route and kris revealing to having an "evil side" would finally shut up those people in the fandom that go "nooo le hecking kids can't do no wrong!"Can't wait for that day
>>739063998I still remember an old youtuber saying he actually enjoys Lisa the most out of that batch of indie games, but made Undertale content because it gets more views.Toby was a case of an auteur who got lucky that his work was enjoyed by wider audiences, and like similar cases before him he will probably not do it again.
>>739064215>It's just no one was expecting Actually some people probably did expect it but what toby would have the balls to do would was always in the air.
>>739063792Snowcoomers predicted it. The hack lost.
So many theories are so close but no cigar.The knight is dess's literal fucking corpse. I think the theory that points out that dess wanted to be a human was the most on point, it makes sense with all of her "interests" and would align with her hanging out with kris all the time.We are dess's soul, or what was once dess's soul, but Something happened, and what happened has yet to be seen. Im not willing to make the lost-in-the-forest-following-devil-is-friend-stealing-their-soul jump quite yet until theres a little more evidence.But the result of this happening is that dess's soul somehow made its way to kris after what happened.The knight is literally a mindless, soulless husk. You can take all the other shit out but please im tired of seeing dess knight theories have her be alive/concious/taking the armor off. Its her whole fucking body, she was mutated.
>>739064215imagine how much potential kino was lost because he pussied out of the wilting rose
>>739038462She has to be. The bunker is sealed with the three town authorities (church, mayoral office and sherrif) Weve learned enough about Gerson's son and even sacked his office. The man is sad, but he's not really hiding anything other than some major daddy issues. That leaves Toriel to be the authority given she's essentially running the choir and organizing everything else. She's in up to her neck as much as Carol is.
>>739064350>dess's literal fucking corpseyou mean dust?
>>739064350monsters don't leave corpses
>>739064416>>739064431No i think something something DETERMINATION and a bit of kris soul fused with it. Its not dead, not alive either.
>>739064229It was luck but I really do think it's because his games ended up appealing to a wider audience compared to most indie RPG games. The meta narrative is a bonus, not all there is to it.
>>739063697To more directly extend the analogy:If the SOUL is Kris's own SOUL, which You have "stolen," it makes sense for the game to refer to it as "Your SOUL," just like Kris's hands are "Your hands" and Kris's brother is "Your brother." The game's narrative is based around You taking the role of Kris, and the game facilitates this by equating Kris and Kris's things with You and Your things. But it will still make the distinction that "Kris" does something when it is significant.If the SOUL is not Kris's SOUL, but instead like some foreign parasite that is only "in Kris's possession" in the sense that it is physically on/part of their person, then it doesn't make as much sense for the game to assert Kris's "possession" of the SOUL (the thing that actually controls Kris instead).It might not seem that significant, but these references to "Kris's SOUL" are the only time the narration asserts that anything is "Kris's" in the entire script.
>>739064493>another kris soul in knight's body theoryyawn
>>739064350>The knight is literally a mindless, soulless husk.it can plan and understand and laugh, it isn't soullesswe just don't know what its actual goal is (because if it wanted to cause the roaring it would have done already)
>started a different ch2 run to get thorn ring>realize I forgot the egg right after saving in castle town
>>739063545Consider why Coca Cola, the worldwide de-facto soda, continues to put millions into advertising every year. There is value in reminding people of things and keeping it on their minds no matter how ubiquitous that thing is.A Chapter 5 trailer may not be an optimal return on investment, but it will objectively be the best way to get people talking compared to a random tweet from Toby. There will be lots of people who will immediately play Chapter 5 after seeing the trailer that would otherwise put it off until later or be left in the dark about its release. There may even be people that decide to pull the trigger on playing Deltarune for the first time after seeing it. Or they may even be fans so new that they learn about it for the first time from the trailer.I think the (i mean this affectionately) obsessive freaks of the fandom forget that they're obsessive freaks and that not everyone is constantly refreshing their email inbox to wait for a newsletter. There is value in using conventional video game announcement outlets to communicate to the audience.
>>739064220I think 3 and 4 did a decent job giving the KRISGOOD crowd a slap in the face. People seem to stop spouting that shit these days.It's actually the one of the reassuring things for me regarding upcoming chapters is Toby is pretty good at giving people the "well actually" treatment regarding any annoyingly prevalent viewpoints.
>>739064735We're talking about return on investment for Nintendo, retard.
>>739064350>The knight is literally a mindless, soulless huskLiterally too much personality on display unless it's being remotely piloted by another force (ya know some remote soul bullshit)
>>739064350>The knight is literally a mindless, soulless husk
>>739064694>it can plan and understand and laugh, it isn't soullessI'm sure you'll say "that's undertale, not deltarune", but the one character who was established to not have a soul absolutely did a lot of all three of those things.
>>739064892Why the fuck would Nintendo care about a return on investment? If you pay the price to get your game in a Direct, why would they care? There's countless unremarkable farming sims that get into Directs all the time, but you think Deltarune would make Nintendo hesitant? Are we being serious right now?
>>739064694Its a pretty shit planner and just kind of sits there waiting for you the whole chapter, I don't really think having a personality constitutes as it "having a soul"There was a video i saw that talked about how shadow crystals are like lost dreams, and the knight's body is seemingly made of them. The knight is a reflection, a mirror, a farce, a projection, a hologram. It pretends to have it's aura-farming personality but notice it never really fucking succeeds in doing what it actually wants, at least from what we've seen of it so far.I just REALLY dont think the big point is "Knight is le evil planner big badd"The thing that doesn't sit right wit me is the fact that it can seemingly transform and move around>>739064642I dont think kris's soul is gone or that it was transplanted. My point is more or less that something weird that we haven't seen happened. A seed being planted or something. I highly doubt its going to be another "human + monster soul remember undertale" plot.As much as people want everything to wrap back to UT i really don't think its going to happen
>>739064735You know, I was gonna mention the difference between a soda, a product that is not a one-time purchase but rather a consumable good, and a videogame like Undertale and other things, but I know it's pointless, you people will never get it, so, instead, I'll say this.You are completely right, Chapter 5 is 100% going to be announced in the next Direct, as this makes complete sense. There is no point in continuing this conversation as we clearly share the same viewpoint.
>>739064350Every knight theory has to answer the following questions off the top of my head:Why didn't the Knight kill Susie and Ralsei when they were down despite being the heroes to stop the Roaring, which is the goal of the Roaring Knight (supposedly)Why did the Knight knight Kris and not kill himWhy did the Knight abduct and not kill UndyneHow is the Knight moving around HometownHow is the Knight capable of opening fountainsWhy does the Knight want the RoaringYour "theory" fails on most of these
>>739064967>>739065051sorry meant to say mindless instead of soulless
>>739055327Probably faggots or schizos or both. Magical girl humans are the cutest.
"If Mother 3 gets ported to the west, you'd realise how unoriginal I am"
>>739065583I hope that doesn't mean he will go with asriel knight because that would be very boring
>>739065168>I was gonna mention the difference between a soda, a product that is not a one-time purchase but rather a consumable good, and a videogame like Undertale and other things, but I know it's pointlessYou would have a point if we were talking about Undertale, but in Deltarune's case, the comparison is murkier. Sure, the game is a one time purchase, but its release structure exists in a way that requires coming back to the game for multiple playthroughs. Advertising the launch in a Direct once and then never advertising it again would just mean that less people would stick around to play the end of the game. And, again, there are people that may not have been on board previously that could see the latest chapter and decide to purchase. The logistics are more complicated than the typical game release
>>739065181Im not claiming to have any answers. My answer is that it's too early to jump to all these conclusions that people are jumping to about it's GOALS and MOTIVATIONS and PURPOSE and shit.The knight is just the knight and does whatever and nobody has any control or prediction over it. Its all a red herring.Your questions would paint the knight as this uber efficient planner who does everything to do the roaring. Just because it keeps making fountains doesn't mean it actively knows its causing the roaring. I think it's just doing it as instinct. I really dont think the knight has any real control or motivations. Thats the core of it. People think its some fucking mastermind for some reason when all its done is show up and make fountains. And again, I still think the knight is some weird inbetween of a lightner and darkner where it was originally somehow dess, and then {something] happened and now what remains is some weird fuckign inbetween trapped in some weird form. I don't think the knight stays the knight in the light world, but it certainly isn't what people expect. Its gotta be some other weird form we haven't seen. The knight doesn't just move in hometown it fucking hauls ass you dont even see it going in to the bunker, by the time you get there its already there. How the fuck would it move so fast? I gurantee you it stayed in that bird-like form when it left the dark world. My best guess is Its a being tht was originally light made of pure darknessBut again all of the schizo theories people made before 3+4 were wrong so i just think marrrying all of these THE KNIGHT IS AN EVIL MASTERMIND RUDY PLANNER OHHHHHH ITS CAROL its all retarded
>>739065181with our extremely limited knowledge at the half way point of the game I'll take a shot at this.>the knight needs the heroes for somethingTM>as of now Kris and the knight are shown to be in an alliance and knighting is usually done for an individual accomplishing a task. (either Kris stood by and let Susie and Ralsei get swooned or Kris took matters into their own hands and took down Susie and Ralsei. let's not get caught up on this it doesn't really matter)>undyne is currently still alive for a supposed police sacrifice or something like that >we don't really know but other lightners have been shown to retain their forms in both rh bought and dark world. maybe the knight has stealth 100 and can move around that quietly or maybe their knight's armor is made out of the same stuff as the shadow crystals allowing them to use their shape shifting in the light world. >The knight has to be a lighter since only lightners can open dark fountains or else queen would have just done it herself and wouldn't have tried to force Noelle >no idea. best guesses/ theories so far are related to starting an apocalypse to find dess and or fix the Dreemurr and holdiay householdsso if we go by the Rudy, Carol, dess, or asgore knight candidates these all make sense technically without being concrete
>>739065583I understand the point he was making, but I dislike how some people have taken this to mean we should disregard any evidence that points towards something that isn't a 1-to-1 retread of a Mother 3 character or story beat.
>>739065683Anon, there is no need to continue replying, I have already told you you are completely correct, and this will be clearly shown in the next Direct.
>>739065583Wow Asriel Knight canon
>>739065638Asriel was originally going to be the Knight but since he already used him in Undertale it was switched to be Dess instead. However, since the original intention was going to be Asriel, that's why there's so many clues that could make one think Asriel is meant to be the Knight.
>>739065845yet here I am replying to you anyway
>>739065583Asriel Knight does go with this, although Asriel is himself and not under any control. He just controls the Knight with a helmet.
Oh no no no no, FemKrisfags don't look!!!
>>739066854That's literally the same for Male Kris self-inserters though.
>>739066949which is crazy because the vessel which is supposed to be your self insert is more than likely coming back by the bare minimum of chapter 6
>>739062921>>739062962FUCK. oh well. anon, if you're listening, you draw good doe dough. I would knead that dough
>>739067186>is more than likely coming back by the bare minimum of chapter 6
>>739066854it's so comically obvious that Kris is a boy but people have to "pretend" that he isn't to appease the mentally unwell
>>739067304>kris is a theymabBased Toby?
>>739041340Toby just needs to keep humans ambiguous as he has already and the theory is poof. You certainly can't be cocky.
>>739067253george if we don't get the vessel back by chapter 6 I'm gonna blame you specifically
Why do people care about what Kris is? Is it just for porn reasons? Like, what's the point of trying to convince people to agree with you?
>>739067385I dislike the people who say that Kris is undoubtedly non-binary and not gender ambiguous
>>739066005>Dessknight has gone from "100%, all the signs point to that" to "Ok so there are actually hints it's Asriel"
>>739067525The Asriel Knight agenda is in full effect. By Chapter 5's release, it will be the predominant theory in many corners.
>>739067385ask the people who will lynch you if you say something that doesn't agree with them
>>739042076This is just Device Theory, not original.
>>739064350>We are dess's soul...So Dess raped Kris AND Noelle? She gets around.
>>739067525>this theory is bad because I saw a guy who was too confident in it saying shit that didn't make any fucking senseBut enough about Noelle Knight!
>>739062542Don't think that's gonna happen with Toby, he's done a good enough job of keeping his power level in check. And Deltarune despite not being finished yet still managed to be a success even with all the waiting.
>>739047293Dumb. It's Dess singing to Kris.
>>739067631It's boring to know what's going to happen. I just want there to be some uncertainty.
>>739067385They self-insert as Kris and since they're not a cringe enby faggot Kris can't be either. Doesn't matter that Kris not being a self-insert character is a major plot point or anything.
>>739067525Literally every sign that it's Asriel are actually signs that it's Dess for the reasons I just mentioned though.
>>739041365that just cements it further since literally every nonbinary person is a traumatized female
>>739067747I always figured it was Dess singing but this whole "Dess is a 90s-style tomboy teenager" shit is getting in the way of that.
>>739067780Kris self inserters take away deltarune's core conflict between (you) and Kris. to me it's like they're trying to have less fun with the game
>>739067502This but wokely. They/them pronouns aren't enough to definitively proclaim someone non-binary, that would just be replacing the gender binary with a gender trinary. Literally anyone can use they/them, that's like the whole point.
>>739067848Why would that stop her singing?
>>739067848You think tomboys act like tomboys around boys?
>>739067848>90s-style tomboy teenager will never sing a soothing song to comfort a young (You)I'm going to kill myself.
>>739034219The "mutual ancestor" thing was a concept used in HomestuckIn fact, I'd go so far as to say that the device layer, Hometown, and dark world are their own kernels, with Ralsei and Eram being cherubs
>>739068176anon there's currently more women on earth than there are men. suck it up and go find a girl
>>739068206>dark worlds are kernelsHave you literally only seen a total of two stories where a living thing is made out of a(n) object(s)? Fucking hell man.
>>739068230It's not the same as an adult.
>>739056289>>739057035You're not well versed into WAITing. You must stop being delusional and accept there's much to WAIT still.
>>739067385Not porn, shipping, porn has no limits, you can make anything, Kris with a horsecock, female Berdly, femboy Susie, bimbo Noelle, no one cares as long as it's good
>>739067385So they can imagine themselves as "him" in their pedophilic fantasiesExbibit A:>>739068001>>739068176>>739068320
>>739068730I never denied this thoughbeit
>>739068730Older female on younger male isn't pedophilic, retard.Women aren't equal to men.
>>739068346The wait hasn't been as dire for me as most people. Despite being a neet struggling to find a job and thus having all the time in the world to do nothing. I haven't found myself going crazy over how long it's taken.
>>739065049Do you have a source that Direct time is a simple "$X per second" thing?
>>739068789Anon specifically said teenager.
>>739064350It's Dess's soulless body with Kris's soul.
>>739067385malekrisfags care because they jerk off to porn of kris fucking their favorite deltateen and femkrisfags care because they jerk off to porn OF kris
>>739066854Why is it so hard for other English speakers to admit that nothing is set in stone with Kris/Chara/Frisk's gender? It's such an unimportant detail that you might as well leave it up to the player's interpretation, so why force any particular headcanon? Kris doesn't HAVE to be male, or female, or nonbinary, but people have confused non-gendered language for gendered language because we turned the idea of the absence of gender into a gender! You don't see this kind of rabid assertion with any gender neutral languages. It pisses me off as much as the people who get mad at Japs for drawing Susie as a white woman or Americans drawing her as a black woman, who fucking cares SHE'S A FICTIONAL DINOSAUR YOU CAN MAKE HER WHATEVER RACE YOU WANT BECAUSE SHE ISN'T FUCKING REAL, MAN! But no, we gotta bully the Jap artists away from Twitter because they used some color theory in drawing human Susie
>>739066854it's so comically obvious that Kris is a girl but people have to "pretend" that she isn't to appease the mentally unwell
>>739067385People always wanted to know what's under the humans pants since the dawn of Undertale. It's the fate of having gender ambiguous characters.
>>739067848She can still sing even if she's a tomboy. In fact older sisters love doing that.
>>739069716got my back rubbed by teenage girls all the time when I was in elementary school. pretty awesome NGL
Even if you think non-binary people are all just mentally ill attention seeking weirdos why would that stop Kris being one? Kris is literally a mentally unwell teenager who has identity issues and a traumatic childhood. Seems like a perfect candidate to fall for the fad if you believe it's just a fad.
>>739069634To be fair, Deltarune also did it self no favors by also making THE GIRL a plot point in the VAGUE Prophecy and signaling hard that who goes into what is likely malleable, of course overanalyzing autistic schizos gonna try looking under every rock, or in this case, inside underwear.
>>739069716She can sing if she wants to. She can wear sundresses if she wants to. She can go nuts over the Backstreet Boys if she wants to. She can try on makeup and see how it looks on Kris's cheeks if she wants to
