walk like an egyptian
>>739049269explain to me why, if I was right now transported into the world of morrowind, I couldn't just instantly achieve chim and enjoy life as a lucid god, I would know that im in a world of a game I love playing, I would know of the godhead and already have a mindset of being a player in the game, a being "above" the reality
>>739049326You need a deeper understanding of it than just knowing about it
>>739049269disgusting lizard
I never free the slaves in this game. Fuck the kitties and the lizzies
>>739049326>i know that its a game world and of the godheadfunnily enough that exact knowledge would fast track you into zero summing instead of chimming outonce you appear in morrowind, the first thought in your head will be>anything and everything around me is just part of some slumbering beings dream, they're all not real, im not real? FU-*blips out of existence*you're supposed to approach the theology of chim slowly and calmly, not ram the knowledge into your head or have it already insanely present in your mind like in your scenario
>>739049749>Fuck the kitties and the lizziesYes I do
>>739049553how much deeper could I get beyond knowing its all a fucking game?? Im intrinsically aware of the fact that this is all a game ive just been isekaid into, so I should instantly be able to chim>>739049943>picim not gonna bother trying to understand your blabbering, either break it down for me or just accept that im going to chim the fuck out
>>739049326It's not just knowing about the world, it's knowing you yourself are indistinguishable from it and retaining your sense of self despite that.Vivec and Hjalti (Tiber) are egomaniacal megalomaniacs which lets them do this along with other adjacent chicanery. Tiber was better at it because he was benevolent instead of a pure narcissist self insert fanfiction writer
>>739049749They're chained up in a cave of a dozen dead bodies now. No one is coming. The torches are beginning to fade.
>>739050006It's not good enough to know you're playing a game, you also have to know how to mod it from inside the game.
>>739049269does elder scrolls setting have an "outer space"? itd be cool to have a lunar setting or celestial related idea in the series
>>739049326why can't you achieve nirvana right now in our world then?
>>739052142yeah but irl laws of nature dont apply to tes so its a bit different. for example, stars are just holes in reality.
>>739052892no such thingthat buddha who lit himself on fucking fire couldnt even reach nirvana so clearly theres nothing to ascend to in our reality
>>739053295I think you'd be saying the same thing if you woke up in morrowind about chim
>>739053380Well, no, my original post states that id know morrowind is a game upon landing in morrowindBut even if I didn't, even if i was a random normal citizen in morrowind, I would be able to know of people who ACTUALLY reached nirvana/attained chim, i.e vivec. Id be able to know of and see actual magical bullshit irl, all letting me understand nirvana exists and its attainment isnt impossible there is absolutely nothing to see and know of in our world, youve made a very retarded comparison desu
Morrowind players see nothing wrong with this. They'd rather have THIS instead of regular fucking fast travel.
>>739053772How would you know about Vivec's supposed connection to CHIM, or CHIM as a concept in itself, without your meta knowledge? Why would the average citizen know about that, or how to reach it? Is it mentioned in a book?
>>739053772in this thought experiment you are still the same person who believes that there is nothing to see or know of in our world so I can't imagine you having any different results regardless what world you're in
What class should I make a khajiit
>>739049326Anon, I think the first thing you'd think about is the obcious psychotic break from reality you must be having. You probably wouldn't just shrug your shoulders, cool as you like, and achieve chim. It would compeltely upset everything you knew about reality and all the implications of being magically teleported into a realized version of a world Bethesda made
>>739049269Moar like walk like you have a load in your pants.>69Nice.
>>739053852nigga never used public transportation by hisself to get around a larger city
>>739054007>>739054074unlike our world, it is extremely easy to know magic exists and to see it in person, just that alone puts the ability to believe in a greater state of being, within elder scrolls, far above trying to believe it exists irlits simple you retards, I repeat, there is nothing in our existence to even justify entertaining the idea of nirvana, we live in an oppressively unremarkable world
>>739052904What goes on outside of Aetherius
>>739054563Bro you're gonna love religion, check it out
>>739049326you would get mindbroken instantly and just die
>>739054609why the fuck would I believe words in a book, show me a nigga conjuring a flame atronarch and ill shave my head and jog to the nearest temple of the divines
>>739054563>there is nothing in our existence to even justify entertaining the idea of nirvana, we live in an oppressively unremarkable worldSomeone has never done LSD, you have no idea the stuff your mind knows simply by existing, just things behind the wall that you don't usually see.
>>739054886Its something you feel dude
>>739053852That map really shows how masterfully done the fast travel options were. Only other game with decent fast travel is KCD.
>>739053852I like traveling in games that takes place in the world over opening your hud to click on an icon and teleport there
>>739054983again and again you continue to miss the pointtes's phenomenons affect REALITY, a man can burn things with his bare hands, you can see sorcerers heal deadly wounds with nothing but words and glowing light, you've seen a warrior once summoning a creature from beyond, travellers coming through your town all share consistent stories of miracles, and artifacts of deities theyve witnessed, of stories about a man who slaughtered dragons with his voice and consumed its soul. Its all everpresent and real, so you logically know there is a VERY FUCKING SOLID level of "existence" that is above your own, there is knowledge to be gained, and faith that has proven to be rewarded, so once you hear of "chim", you can believe it far easier than anyone irl believing in nirvanaSo no, "I TOOK LE DROOGZ N I SAW TINGS!!!11" doesn't mean fucking shit, you sack of potatoes, youre fucking cokehead dreams didnt manifest anything in realspace, no lightning bolts, no conjuring of beings, nothing tied to a higher state of being. Its all YOU, YOUR DELUSION, fuck off
>>739054563>unlike our world, it is extremely easy to know magic exists and to see it in personBut that wouldn't mean that such a thing as chim exists. The majority of people in TES do not seem to know anything about chim, and most people in that universe do not know anything about the Godhead. Firing fire balls from your hands does not mean that you can logically deduce chim being a concept, or how to reach it. You haven't thought the reality of your scenario through
>>739055509magic would just be part of their reality and the only reason it seems special to you is because you're coming from a world without it, but to the people born there a wizard casting convalescence would be the equivalent to getting a heart stint in our world, or, imagine trying to explain a Saturn V rocket flying men to the moon to your average mud farming dunmer, they would think you come from an impossible reality if they even believed you.
>>739054007>Is it mentioned in a book?the only mentioning is in vivec's sermons which are littered across morrowind and a series of books in skyrim called mythic dawn commentaries, so its not impossible for a normal guy to stumble upon these texts>>739055539The argument is that hearing of and believing in the concept of chim is just as unbelievable as irl belief in nirvana, which makes no sense, there is proof in the manipulation of reality (magic) in tes, theres nothing in our reality to imply the existence of nirvana, thats the point being made,consider theres some faggot bookclub in balmora where jaded cynics get together to shit on each other and debate reality, like us right now, just like some humans in our world believing in a nirvana, why wouldn't there be some people in tes believing in a higher state of being? and unlike us, they actually have proofs to cite, we have nothing and yet have had people devoting their lives to pursuing nirvana, there would 100 percent be regular fucking people trying to ascend in tes, whether or not they know of chim, they will be trying to understand their universe just as buddists and the like attempt to understand ours, just because theres people who dont believe in chim at all doesn't mean no one fucking does
>>739055896thats a dishonest comparison, to assume theyre all completely jaded to magic isnt fair when even we can still marvel at typical things, people can be moved by auroras, a good sunrise, astronauts have their entire world views shifted from seeing our planet from orbit, people who are already very religious can become catatonic at the most mundane shit if its tied into their beliefsits extremely likely for at a regular person to see magic and become so enthralled in considering his reality and whatever greater existence lies beyond that magic
>>739050006>WHY CAN'T I ACHIEVE ENLIGHTENMENT INSTANTLY!? I KNOW IT EXISTS!!
>>739056840genuinely yes, half the battle of chim is just trying to comprehend that there is another dimension of existence at play, if you get sent to morrowind and you were just shitting up a morrowind thread an hour ago, you would instantly know the state of the world, and you'd be at peace with it because you'd also know failure to cope with the knowledge would end with you zero summing, you'd instantly be lucid, how is this hard to getIt's like for example>a god of whatever religion suddenly appears explicitly real and physical, proves that the afterlife exists and so does heaven along with hell>you are now easily able to follow that religion and ignore any vices and worldly distractions because you actually know there's a pay-off AND a punishmentIt goes against the idea but there'd be no challenge of "faith" despite you being a devout extremely loyal believer, because just like anons scenario with chim, YOU JUST KNOW, then long story short you die and get to that real heaven because you followed that religion to the letter, no actual trials suffered, no tests of faith because anything you encountered whilst living, be it temptations of drugs or crime or rage, paled in comparison to the literal heaven guaranteed if you just kept being religious.If you're transported to morrowind knowing what you normally know as a gamer who's played morrowind, you're fucking chimming hard, enlightenment day 1
>>739054572Inside of the Godhead's skull.
>>739057020What goes on outside of his skull then?
>>739057147What are you doing right now?
>>739054563>we live in an oppressively unremarkable worldyou sound like a faggot
>>739058403you sound like a pussy, grow up
>>739058426>a bloo bloo our world is remarkably unimpressiveGod made the world and it's awesome.you are the pussy, and you sound like a damn gaytheist queer
>>739057187Well, when you posted this I was taking an old man nap. I guess that's what the godhead is doing
>>739058687>god made the worldwhatever your little book says anon
>>739049326As an outsider, you would Zero Sum instantly. You already see yourself as not part of the world, and trying to achieve CHIM with that mentality would impose it on reality. You'd erase yourself.CHIM is achieved by recognizing that the world is a construct, realizing you are a part of it, and still maintaining your sense of self. That's a difficult mindset to hold.
>>739059006im gonna be so pissed if I die and wake up in some hellscape because one of the countless religions around weren't actually bullshitting and I just lost the faith roulette spin
>>739055509No, I understand your point clearly, I just think that dismissing our reality as something insignificant is really disrespectful when this shit is even crazier than magic.
>>739059289>CHIM is achieved by recognizing that the world is a construct, realizing you are a part of it, and still maintaining your sense of selfBut wouldn't i instantly recognize that im in the video game Morrowind which has suddenly become real and still maintain my memories of a different reality as well? That's me instantly recognizing both are now real, and now im going to quicksave and go rape the first argonian woman I see
>>739059006>your book says god real?>lol well my book says god not realTheists have never been so utterly btfo...
>>739057187jacking off
>>739049326You would be unlucky
>>739060820burden of proof is on the claimant you MEGAFAGGOT
>>739059732>this shit is even crazier than magic.what? the big bang and perfect formation of our solar system to sustain life on earth? space is nigh infinite, its not something so unreal, this was bound to happen like monkeys with a typewriter
>Get transported to Morrowind>Literally no background, birthplace, anythingHow would you get this rectified? Go the the Census and ask for Imperial Citizenship? You're probably going to need some sort of background to do so. Telling him you popped out of thin air would have you clapped in irons for being crazy.
>>739053852Yes. This is kino
>>739063829I dunno they never ask for any identification when you join any of the factions, other than the blades
