What the fuck is this shit?
Jak II it seems.
>>739066586>playing a game and critiquing it:(>critiquing a game using other people's arguments:O
Why did they make Jak troon out in 2??
how do you go from jak 1 to jak 2?
I literally finished the entire trilogy last week. The games are way better than I remember playing them when they came out.
>>739066586An attempt to sell a GTA3 rip-off to kids, whose parents were to strict to buy them a real thing.
jak 1 filtered me both it being a trash platformer and a trash collectathon
>>739066586I remember fucking despising the sandbox in Jak 2. Genuinely one of the worst and most pointless ones in fiction.
>>739066586>the game never does anything with these dynamics >except when it does and it happens a lot and I hate it???
Jak 2 = Jak & Daxter >>>>> Jak 3from someone who played each on release
>>739066586how the fuck can you get filtered by traversing an open world?
>>739066997You forget that everyone was ripping off GTA3 because GTA3 was something totally new that everyone discovered they absolutely loved and wanted more of. It was like GTA3 unlocked this new direction for gaming as a whole, it legitimately was a revolutionary game.The point wasn't to leech off GTA by turning Jak into that type of game, it was to take the game in a less cartoony and kiddy direction so that players could have open world freedom.It's difficult to understand today, since EVERYTHING is open world and so you're bored by it and it just seems like "going through the motions."
>>739066831By inserting the disc in the disc tray
>imagine your playing super Mario brothers-Please. What was the rest of this retards analogy. I must know
>>739066831Doing what Naughty Dog always does, chasing trends.I still like pretty much all their games
People seem to forget it was actually superior to gta3 back then. I owned both gta3 and jak2 and almost all my friends coming over including me preferred jak2 in terms of sandbox experience. 3 is even better but it already moved away from a gta-like by then.
>>739067329Jewtube grifters will make a 14 minute negative opinion video essay about anything. Zoomers and younger will lap it up and take it as fact becuase that's the first thing they heard about it.
>>739067543you and your friends are retarded lmao
When I play a game, I judge it as a whole. It might have some bad parts but those bad parts are tied into the complete package that is the game. MGS1 doesn't have the best gunplay or sneaking but it ties everything together with other interesting shit that it stays a great game, for example.It's so fucking weird to me how video essays tear games down into their smallest bits to say "yeah it's not that cool on its own it could be better!" like who fucking cares?Do you review movies by the scene??? Books by the chapter??? Paintings by zooming in to see the brush strokes????Just stop
>>739067520Has Naughty Dog always been zionist propaganda?
>>739066586I love the atmosphere of Haven City, but it's pretty damn empty. The traffic and the fact that it's 90% narrow pathways ruin the driving. There are side objectives scattered around, but not enough and they lack variety. They had precursor orbs which could have filled the emptiness, but for whatever reason they put them all in the mission zones and none in Haven.One of the biggest issues is that it's large but it practically only has one route which loops around the city. Look at the map. There are countless spots which could have been connected, allowing for shortcuts and alternate routes, but they're all disconnected. When you need to drive across the city, you're forced into taking the absolute longest route possible because there are so many barriers where there should have just been passages.
>>739067329NFS Underground 2 did the same thing.Gave us an open world that you can go to find shops and races.It was cool for a few hours. But it's literally just pointless padding between races.The only thing that was done with it was some shops are hidden that you have to find to unlock parts and hidden races. The magazine events I suppose also count where you have to get from point A to B in whatever way you want.Most Wanted added a way to select races from a menu to skip the overworld.
Jack 2 is just another example of trend chasing.After the success of GTA3.
>>739067935In the Jak series he escapes from a fascist tyrant to find out that he is the rightful leader of his desert nation. He also wasn't inherently violent and angry, he was made to be so by his oppressors.Daxter finds out that his race is not a curse, but that he is now one of the ancient chosen people.I regret writing this post, but you could make a Youtube video about shit like this
>>739067443Why is it that open world games feel awful to play now? Is it really just because the novelty wore off? Or are there other forces at play, like missing the special sauce that games like GTA 3 had?
>>739068418kino
>>739068738A combination of the worlds being too large with too little things of consequence to do AND the fact that the two major game engines everyone uses (Unity and UE5) are not designed to properly render large open worlds without loading screens so even moving around becomes a headache.
>>739068224The map design of Haven City is dictated by load times. Having one more connection to an area would mean going over memory limits. Games like GTA on PS2 do it by having very simple graphics, but from Crash to Last of Us Part 2, Naughty Dog always has graphics as the first priority
It's an incredibly vindicating feeling to to go back and play childhood games and confirm that it actually is as good as I thought it was.
Jak 2 has a hidden stealth mechanic that is only explained in the PAL manual.Here's how it works:>alert Krimson Guards>be on-foot>run up to wall/corner>walk directly into wall/corner when right in front of it>Jak and Daxter will flatten against the wall as if they were hiding>most of the time, every Krimson Guard will run around your location for 5 seconds before they turn around and walk away until they despawnso if you ever noticed that the Guards respawn too much and you can't outrun them, it was because you had an on-foot way to lose them whenever you wanted... but it looks insanely janky and unfinished, which is probably why it isn't even mentioned in the NA version as an option.
>>739067765You weren't there nigger
>>739068738Level design is genuinely a proper attribute of a good game. Just having a big sandbox or field to explore doesn't feel as engaging as an encounter or level specifically designed for players to interact with it in ways the developer intended.Another issue is that modern open worlds got too big. By expanding everything to an absurd size like an inflation fetishist, this creates a sense of "exhaustion" or merely boredom from walking from point A to point B. Past open world games weren't like this and didn't have such comically large open worlds to explore.Some of the most replayable games of all time are linear. It's because they aren't annoying to go through since the fun is in the level design and gameplay, not an open world checklist.
>>739069215Nice. I have the PAL version and I always read manuals back then, so I might've tried to do that. I don't remember.Having completely unfinished enemy/ally AI is also a staple of the developer
>>739069461Yeah, I thought I discovered it by myself until PALfags showed me that Daxter tells you about it in the opening of their manual.
>>739067329Jak 2's vehicle controls were pretty stiff, and the vehicles got destroyed very easily. It wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have to travel to the opposite side of the map for damn near every mission, or if the vehicles were to fun drive and not blow up after getting dinged 5 times.
>>739068224There it is. The worst fucking city ever put into a video game.
>>739067935The two founders literally met in Hebrew school.
>>739067329>boring shit game is boring>y-you just got filtered!
any opinions on jack 3?
>>739067329He is completely right
>>739069215Any other hidden mechanics?Jak 1 also had hidden moves, like the rolling jump
>>739071804i like it more than 2, even if it didnt match the tone of the series 1:1 i loved the mad max style dune buggys they give you. light jack was also pretty neat but it felt like it was only really usefull for puzzle sequences.
>>739067329you retards will use "filtered" to justify any dogshit design
>>739066586GTA 3 killed 3D platformers lmao
You mean to tell me that GTA's "Drive from point A to point B" design is actually fucking retarded? WHO KNEW
The only good thing about the sequels is they made Daxter more fuckable
>>739068418Is this true or are u just shitposting
>>739074423that term is so fucking stupid im pretty sure it came from retarded newfag brocolli headed wigger faggot zoomers flooding in, seeing us talk about filtering tripfags, completely misunderstand what the word meant and starting to try to use it themselves in their own infinitely retarded way
>>739075106They're major plot points in Jak 2 and Jak 3.Why are you in a Jak thread if you never played the games?
>>739068738Most of them are scaled beyond the man hour capacity of the teams who will then be required to populate them. GTA3 on the other hand is a rather compact play area by comparison to modern games where every bit of it likely had more attention given. This breaks up the monotony of simply travelling around the world. Instead of constant generic rolling terrain, there's constantly changing greebles of a hand designed city populated extensively with NPCs who at surface level give an impression of an existing breathing world. You can see this get away even from Rockstar as their games scale up over time. RDR2 and GTAV are just barely bordering on that sense of "there is too much nothing or uninteresting dead space."
>>739067148I liked Jak 3 a lot but it was indeed a pile of dogshit
>>739066586Jak 2 invented Mid
>>739067791But how am I going to make a 2 hour fucking video then? huh? HUH??????
>>739069215Wait wtf? Us didn't know you could do this? There were zones that I imagine were fucking disgusting without doing this
>>739068307cant you just teleport anywhere any time
>MUH UTUBERS MUH ZOOMZOOMSIt was tedious before the youtuber who touched you said it was, and it will be tedious after. Im tired of retarded ten year olds posting videos of some youtuber I dont watch saying an opinion I already had then a bunch of the faggots who hate watch it crying about how "U ONLY THINK THAT CAUSE X"
>>739066586
Counterpoint: My mom took away GTA 3 because she saw me beating up a hooker with a baseball bat. All I had was Jak II, and it was so fucking cool to steal cars and drive around the city. Dark Jak was a badass too. This youtuber can get fucked.
>>739066586what youtube video is this from?
Alright /v/, you are required to remake this game. How do you spruce up the open world to make it interesting?
>>739077749iirc it was one of the 'big' gaming mag publishers like gamespot or ign
>>739076696This is disappointing, I was planning to play these games but if its jewish propaganda that is going to be very offputting. I guess I'll try ratchet snd clank instead
>>739073682you can use light jak to sequence break
>>739077793Some form of mid to late game fast travel would be nice. Maybe a touching up of graphics and some slight redesigns of the city to compensate for modern load times.
>>739078009Lmao
Jak 2 was cool but a few timed missions were retarded of how narrow the completion time was.Doing them over a dozen times was no fun
How can niggers unironically think Jak 2 is bad?
>>739078392>niggersAnswered your own question
>>739075920filtered lmao, you sissies cant beat anything other than visual novels it seems.Take your estrogen and leave this board to people who actually like to play vidya.What's next? Driving cars from mission to mission ruins GTA? lmao
>>739066831ND clearly felt like there was nothing left to do with the “Dollar Store Banjo Kazooie” formula with Jak and Daxter, but they still liked the characters, and GTA3 was popular, so fuck it, time rift.
>>739066586I never beat this game as a kid but I had so much fun just flying this thing around
>>739066586GTAjeets were ruining games 23 years ago and they continue doing so today.
Jak 2 >>> Jak 3
>>739067457But the Jak 1 disc is still in there. Now they're just stacked on top of each other and it won't close
>>739078009You think R&C isn't jewish too? Sweet child
>>739077139In Underground 2? No.
I do remember even as a kid getting to this part where there was this open world and wondering why the fuck it was even there. There's just NPCs meandering around and thats it.
>>739077521It's fucking amazing they still tried to shove alt white girl into main character status in even this This shit needs to be studied for how bad it is
>>739067443gta 3 was just gta 2 with a repositioned camera m8
>>739067630I assure you no kid with half a brain preferred Jak 2's open world over Vice City's.
>>739083087Whoops meant for>>739067543
