Why is a bad guy, again?
>>739067435>nobles in fire emblem are the most greedy retards catering to whichever bad guy pays them mostI wonder
>>739067435Because the system she is describing is LITERALLY already how the alliance, one of the nations she is fighting to destory, functions. The majority of the game takes place in an officer school that trains future generals and cardinals and strategists and leaders, and the Empire could at any point simply choose to send its best and brightest like the alliance does to create a system in which social standing is determined by merit alone.
>>739067435>there will no longer be lords who inherently rule (except me)>all will rise and fall by their own merits (except for people I personally like/dislike)>also please don't mind the evil mole people who are rubbing their hands together in the corner, they'll conveniently vanish during the epilogue text
In the world of Fodlan some people are born with crests which make them inherently stronger soldiers. There is no "fair meritocracy" when the nobles are also superhuman
>>739067435If she did that in her own territory that might not be so bad. But she tried to conquer the whole damn world to do it everywhere else, too.
>>739067435This sounds like a communist confucian society to me therefore bad
>>739067435How'd that work out for the French Revolution again? Oh right, they imprisoned a 10yr old kid and tortured him to death. And then fell into a frenzy of killing anyone who disagreed with them until they'd all killed each other.Hey, wait a minute, making up excuses to kill anyone who disagrees with you... That sounds... a little familiar... Didn't Edelgard completely lie to her followers that the Church was responsible for the ICBM that her comrades fired at them?
>the conquering emperor has an explanation for her actions, this means she cannot possibly be evil You should try reading something harder than Doctor Seuss.
>>739069764You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. The bourgeoisie deserve it anyway.
>>739067435>im14andthisisdeep tier writing3H is such an embarassing game
>>739069997There's a reason the best guy is the crazy one that my pussy can fix
>there will be no social standing, all will rise and fall from... uhh... their social standing, by their very own meritsanime writing, not even once...
>>739069931If they deserved it they wouldn't have died in the revolution.
>>739069764NOOOO NOT MY HECKING LIL CHILDERINO ROYALas if the nobility hadn't been starving starving, enslaving and killing all sorts of people for centuriesshould had cut the kids head too
>>739070098Men don't have pussies
>>739069764The French Revolution was violent and deranged but it was inevitable. When you have the crown taxing you half to death because your king bankrupted the nation just to spite his next door neighbor, you can comfortably say that they're not serving your best interests.
>>739069764>How'd that work out for the French Revolution again?They solo'd like all of Europe for several decades.The UK basically reinstated the monarchy to weaken the country.
>>739069764>Didn't Edelgard completely lie to her followers that the Church was responsible for the ICBM that her comrades fired at them?It was the people of Arianrhod's fault for choosing to live in a city. They should have known that the city also had a woman with bigger tits than edelgard's emperor chestplate. Killing her for no rational reason other than the titmogging was the king's justice, an inherent right by gods own decree, and the fact that the entire city had to be cleansed in nuclear hellfire without an evacuation afterword - in fact edelgard bravely sacrificed a platoon of her own soldiers to enforce a curfew and corral citizens inside waiting for the city to be purged - was simply edelgard finishing the job. In fact, I'm sure that if you consider it rationally you will find that the church was to blame for the tragedy happening in the first place - if they only served fattier and healthier foods to the great emperor during her critical growth stage than the city of arianrhod would still exist today.
>>739069764France ended up created the greatest empire seen in europe
>>739070239Good thing I'm not a man
>play on edelgard route>do everything okay>suddenly we defending church>edelgard is evil, our friends are some old teachers and literally every friend of edelgard>church winsi kinda not liked 3 house game. characters are dull, maps are bad, town grind is boring. i dunno, some game.
>>739070276And then they lost and Metternich somehow managed to make them not lose chucks if land to everyone on their borders.
>>739070615When a regional lord slapped the shit out of the parisian retards and reinstituted noble rule under himself and the generals of the armies who had been out fighting in prussia during the entire silly internal 'revolution'. In the end the same regional lords that had been taxing the farmland producing the 'famines' that the parisian merchantry complain of, only benefited more from the war
>>739070615lol "empire" shit lasted about as much as Hitler's "empire"
>>739067435Ah yes, a central government completely controlling the governance, economy, culture and infrastructure has always been wildly successful. Monarchy and nobility, while by no means perfect, tended to result in more efficiency in the end because at least the elite had an intrinsic loyalty to the land or nation-concept and gross mismanagement would swiftly led to being conquered from foreign agents and execution.Also remember corporations are actually a socialist thing and the U.S. officially succumbed to Socialism in 1944 with Bretton Woods. Right now 98% of the economy is regulated by the government and the traditional definition of socialism was when the central government regulated over 33%. A mark that was surpassed without comment or notice during WW2 when a secretly socialist president attempted to place the entire economy under national control with the intent of keeping it as such after the conflict ended. Nobody alive today has ever existed in an actual free market economy and Capitalism doesn't exist.
>>739067435Because she started a war for the most retarded reasons.One of her biggest points is blaming the Church for how Fodlan puts so much emphasis on Crests leading to inequality between nobles with them and commoners without, but she's blatantly ignoring how the Church's own tenets say NOT to abuse Crests that way and its not their fault the nobility ignore it.
>>739067435I think it’s the horns.
>>739072464cute titties
>>739067435I don't really like Edelgard. But I still wanna face fuck her while holding those dumbass horns
>>739067435>crests still exist >people with crests are naturally stronger and hold all the power>she doesn't even plan to introduce a free education to the poor and non-crests until Ferdinand points this outHer meritocratic society fails unless she plans to genocide all crest holders
Imperialism and allying with mole people is fine if it is done by a woman :)
>>739067435After reading enough roman history, I have found enlightenment that the unthinking and disloyal and greedy pleb, incapable of virtue, is much worse for society than the greedy and servile elite.
>>739074982The real redpill is that behind every disaster of an emperor, lay a woman that orchestrated his rise.
>>739069764you are a slave, nigger
>>739068138Please delete this.
>>739075415you can justify the third reich with this quote too
>>739070198>>739070273>fell for illuminati propaganda award
>>739067435She's all fine to reform her own nation like that, it's once she starts to invade other nations to force it onto them that she becomes the bad guy
>>739074982All that seperates the base from the virtued is material conditions, and the character effects thereof. It was not god which made them scum, just poverty. If we built paradise, it would have no proles at all.
"For the master’s tool will never dismantle the master’s house. They may allow us temporarily to beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about genuine change."Edelgard uses the power of tyrants to end tyranny. It won't bring about the change she wants. Whoever follows her will see that she exploited Crests and Slithers and magical WMDs and had a dragon god of time on her side the entire time and will continue to use those devices to ensure the continuity of power. Why shouldn't they? Edelgard already validated their use.
This thread triggers my Jew genes...
>>739075415>holy kingdoms ordained by god to deliver the people of galia and the Fr*nks (germoids) and the french from destruction and into civilization were actually bad>the guys that murdered people for liking the lord jesus christ instead of ritual human sacrifice in the name of the "cult of reason" were actually not that bad because they didnt last long enough to kill more people than thousands of years of predecessorsTwain missed with this one
Cum stains
>>739075326Commodus wasnt a mommas boy though.>>739075829>franks>gauls>ordained by god>FRANKS DELIVERED INTO CIVILIZATION BY GODOh my god I might just have a stroke. "Delivered into civilization" to leave only heaps of fucking ash and bone maybe. Edelgard would have gotten along great with them.
>>739067435>We should eliminate hereditary rule because crests give an unfair advantage>Positions should be based on merit>Appoints all her friends, who happen to be the children of the previous nobles into positions of power because having crest is indeed an unfair advantage and makes you win in a meritocracy>Entire regime and ideology is probably going to fall appart in less than three generation anyways once people start to realize why those noble families keep winning in her new systemWhat did she mean by this?
>>739075668>it would have no proles at allThe fact you even used this word means you're unworthy of paradise. The whole purpose of the proles is to be a mass of dipshit peasants just smart enough to do the labor you don't want to do while also being too weak and/or stupid to realize they're being taken advantage of or do anything about it. A society with "no proles" is doomed to fail because at the end of the day, someone has to scrub the toilets. Someone has to take out the garbage. Someone has to tighten the screws and hammer the nails. And unless you feel like putting on your denim jeans and getting your hands dirty, you want proles. You just don't want to take care of them or treat them like people.
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>>739069764Napoleon I fixing the legal code is worth more than the life of a 10 year old. This stupid metaphor doesn't even work because Edelgard is part of the old ruling dynasty. In this scenario, she would be the tortured 10 year old kid, which just so happen to be her backstory. The difference being that she is so retarded that she believed her jailors when they told her that she should totally get back at the Church if she wanted revenge agaist the world.
>>739076342Come on anon don't give the jailors so much credit. Ionious was fucking stupid too. He told Edelgard that Nemesis wasn't a crazy bandit but that he was actually a cool hero of men who had a 6 pack and everything. Side note: Edelgard knows what the Hero's Relics actually are. So the fact that she doesn't put 2 and 2 together is really fucking weird>Seiros waged war against war against Nemesis>The Hero's Relics are made from the bones of dead dragons>Nemesis and the 10 Elites had Hero's Relics>Seiros is a dragon >Seiros waged war because... it was a simple dispute
>>739067435I unironically have this argument with my wife any time she talks about this gameThe church stomped out all opposition and the leader turns into a dragon monster and burns an entire city full of civilians to keep you from killing her.Edelguard wants to stop the shadow government and the church from ruling everyone forever.
>>739076228Humans really never change
>>739076989>Actions after driving someone legally insane are representative of their valuesEdelgard introduced slavery into Imperial lands, funded blood magic experiments that turned people into demons, and uses civilians as human shields when Adrestia is taken under siege
>>739077193Source?
>>739070957You have chosen Tits or GTFO, then.
>>739068138ThisPlus, Edelgard is entirely missing the point, that Crests aren't just an arbitrary status symbol, they are LITERALLY superpowers. Dimitri is physically stronger than Raphael by a large margin, despite Dimitri being a twig, and Raohael a bodybuilder, because Dimitri has a crest, and Raohael does not. If a crest bearer, and a non-crest bearer of otherwise identical training, ability, ect compete for a role, the crest bearer will win every single time. She's just removing the formality of crest bearers running everything, while actually changing nothing. Sylvain's family drama happens identically under Edelgard's system, because only Sylvain's offspring can have crests and thus matter, his brother is still useless.
>>739077981In White Clouds the experiments in Remire Village and Enbarr were working out how to use Flayn's blood to turn people into Demonic Beasts. Experiments that were deemed successful when several students were turned within academy grounds. "The Flame Emperor" claimed she didn't know anything about it and would've stopped it had she known. But in chapter 12 she already has enough Demonic Beasts to lead a full frontal assault on Garreg Mach and by the time of the war, she has legions of improved Demonic Beasts of several varieties. Hey here's a question: Demonic Beasts were people, which means each one used to be a normal person. If Garreg Mach is empty and she couldn't break into Leicester, who do you think she had turned into Demonic Beasts? Also>forced labor
>>739067435I love this game. So hard to find writers who respect the audience and dont make the villian a 2D outrage machine who kicks a dog.
>>739078632>human shields
That system sounds ridiculous
>>739067435Because this guy implanted a dick in place of his vagina?
>>739078632Yeah, people like to forget that every single proper demonic beast represents a human.Those don't come from nowhere. Whether they're a prisoner of war, a criminal, or a random citizen, that's a person the empire has done this to. And Edelgard claiming she would have stopped it if she knew either means she's a bold face liar, or is even more retarded than even the most pessimistic assumption, that she never questions how she has hundreds of the thing made from people.
>>739079034They did do a good job of creating a character that accurately reflects a teenager with no idea how politics, governance, taxes, corruption, civil obedience, or economies work, but is pretty sure they have figured out a perfect society after a weekend thinking about it.
>>739079041>ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country
It would help if crests didn't literally have extremely demonstrateable powers useful for combat in a world where that's the primary way to solve problems still. Hell if crests were real IRL right now we'd have a world caste system de jure or facto even though it'd just be a bunch of fat merchants and politicians. By the way I'm a Brahmin and my star sign is Leo so I'm right about this.
>>739067435>all power centralized in formal institutions that offer positions of prestige and pay>access to these institutions is based on meritThat doesn't mean those of the highest merit actually support the interests of the public. They could just engage in increasingly elaborate rent-seeking schemes.
>>739079213I've honestly forgotten but I know the people turn back when you beat them. Does that also kill them or not? Not that it really makes it much better if it doesn't but I can see that being a vague deranged justification.
>>739079360Whaaat? Anon c'mon that'd never happen literally every time we try a technocracy.
>>739079369We don't see a single example of a person recovering from being a Demonic Beast. They might retake human form after death but that just means you're burying a human corpse instead of a monster one
>>739079454Yeah that's what I thought but worth checking. So just straight murdermonsters it is.
>>739069764Blows my mind that people still have a positive opinion on the French Revolution when all it accomplished was killing tens of thousands of people and going back to monarchy at the end anyways because of just how shitty it was. The Revolutions of 1848 went the same way and you got Napoleon III. Its like when people romanticize the Russian Revolution without knowing how much of a shitshow of infighting and mass murder it was
>>739079517If we're being honest, once they're injected with the demon juice they're already gone. In Yuri/ Constance's paralogue, the infected were already lost in madness trying to kill Duke Gerth. And in Remire Village, everyone in town were so lost in insanity that even the Blue Lions, half of which had already experienced war and uprisings, were disturbed by the madness of the villagers. Basically those people were dead even before they turned into monsters.
>>739075668>that seperates the base from the virtued is material conditionsNo you commie retard, we are not just our material conditions. A man can find paradise living alone in the woods in a small shack
Reminder that the CIA actively destabilised any country that was too friendly with the USSR and we're still dealing with the consequences today.
>>739067435>>739068138People always miss that the real driving force behind all of Edelgard's actions was a massive savior complex combined with a short lifespan driving her to foce her way into the drives seat even when it did more harm than good.
>>739080031The USSR also subverted and destabilized countries my dude, it was the cold war
>>739079517The only even somewhat debatable case is Dedue, since Dedue seems to be uniquely in control of his senses after being transformed. Only Maurice has a similar level of sanity while transformed, but Maurice is a different level of exception altogether.He still dies when killed as a monster, but Dedue MIGHT have been able to be turned back, or at least able to live a somewhat normal life as a monster among humans.But that's probably a stretch. It's not like Dedue was in a GOOD mental state while a demonic beast, he was just somewhat verbal and sane, which is more than any other Demonic Beast was capable of. But, whatever level of exception exists for Dedue, is almost certainly tied to something about Dedue, not some higher level of refinement to the procedure.
>>739071919The church is at fault for that. The Church teaches that crests are divine blood and make you special, and then says you should use that specialness for good. People focus more on the first part than the second, and the church is retarded and refuses to update their doctrine or talk to the people so it spirals into eugenics and making dragon blood humans into a higher caste with more rights than everyone else.Wizards can summon tornadoes and explode entire houses in fire emblem, but in Fodlan they have no special rights or guarantee to rule despite being stronger than the average crest user (and as an added perk they aren't tied to bloodlines so anyone can learn to be one). Why aren't they in charge? Because the central authority that conquered and united Fodlan, the church of Seiros, said it was crests that made people special and better, not magic. The church fucked the dog hard, if not Edelgard them someone else will throw another war to the same effect.Rhea is a useless leader and is even the final boss of her own route. She's not evil, but she has to be one of the stupidest and laziest leaders I have ever seen. She needs to be deposed and the church needs to reform its doctrine, the only problem is Edelgard is a retard who launched a whole war over it instead of just being reasonable and kicking the church out of Adrestria and changing her own laws. Conquering other nations is never good.
>>739080335Well let's bear in mind that Imperial Demonic Beasts are manufactured. They use whatever variant of Flayn's blood in addition to manufactured Creststones. Versus Dedue who only used the Creststones taken from the Holy Tomb and Maurice who's a really weird case in general
>>739067435Because she is woke
>>739080558>Rhea is a useless leader and is even the final boss of her own route. She's not evil, but she has to be one of the stupidest and laziest leaders I have ever seen. She needs to be deposed and the church needs to reform its doctrine, the only problem is Edelgard is a retard who launched a whole war over it instead of just being reasonable and kicking the church out of Adrestria and changing her own laws. Conquering other nations is never good. I'm generally a Lionfag but this is my general opinion of the Church and Rhea. I don't believe she's evil but her mindset of being a substitute for Sothis is what leads to many of her fuck ups. After making the original scaffolding of what Fodlan would be, she took her hands off the wheel barring extreme circumstances like the War of Eagle and Lion. It's given her a "sweep it under the rug" mentality because, as far as she's concerned, she'll be giving up the reins to her mother any day now even though Sothis herself acknowledges that her time is over and has no intention on coming back
>>739067435Because representative democracy is by far the worst form of government ever devised. Feudalist monarchies are nowhere near as hostile to their civilians' freedom and prosperity. There's a reason why every oppressive dictatorship in the world bothers to hold elections.
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>>739080558>wizards can summon tornadoes my meteors and sheitAnd yet a pegasus knight can just shrug off all that magic or simply dodge it
>>739080837Yeah, I agree.Rhea has a long list of problems that mostly boil down to her letting her mommy issues run the country for however many hundreds or thousands of years.I think that Indech fucked off, who is otherwise by far the most chill, relaxed, good natured, and cool of the dragons, really speaks for it. Trying to impose the generational penance and worship of her mother was just hurt psycho shit that needed to he stopped immediately, to the point that the other sensible dragons said fuck that shit we're out.Frankly, I have no idea why Seteth in particular stuck around, either. I'm probably forgetting something.
>>739075415I too love breadlines, comrade!
>battle of eagle and lionWhy are Imperial students forced to celebrate the day they got their shit pushed in and lost half the continent?
>>739081631Seteth remarks that he stays at the Academy because he wants Flayn protected. He never imagined an enemy would sneak in and crush the monastery because that never happened before. He actually debates leaving after Flayn's kidnapping
>>739069764>Oh right, they imprisoned a 10yr old kid and tortured him to deathGIGAbased.
>>739075415> being ruled by murderous psychopaths is good actually because uhhhh they didn't rule for a thousand years and thus didn't kill as many people, o algo.
>>739074982All I remember from roman history was that there was some gay greek femboy that got fucked in the ass by nero and dressed like an empress and then like 3 other emperors took that gay greek boy as a wife until he killed himself. That must have been the prime looksmaxxer of the era, or he just threw it back like crazy
>>739079763>going back to monarchy at the end anyways because of just how shitty it wasDumb frogposter. The monarchy was enforced upon them because England refused to let them live in peace. There's a reason they immediately abandoned it at the earliest opportunity. Twice. Napoleon took back the country without firing a single shot because the people and army loved him so much more.
>>739067435>the bad guy is threatened by an even bigger bad guy
>>739076067Nah but Nero was. Commodus was a daddy's boy.
>>739083146>The monarchy was enforced upon them because England refused to let them live in peaceDude the revolutionaries had to violently quell he monarchist parts of rural france because much of the peasantry thought the sansculottes were a bunch of queers and that the revolutionaries were godless heathens. French fucking suck at making republics
>>739083585They are just more honest about their republics. We are on like our 5th republic at this point in america
>>739070276>They solo'd like all of Europe
>>739084263The painter really rushed this one
>>739080047I think her limited life span is her main motivation/excuse for the wrong she does. I don't remember if she ever says that but that has to be because she really can't come up with a good excuse in the moment, she basically complains that Dimitri and Claude defend themselves from an assassination attempt made against for reasons completely unknown to them and that reason is they were born.She's a complete psycho and in routes where she's the bad guy she doesn't even warn anyone about the mole people incase she loses, likely out of spite. But the dialog in the game doesn't really make her out to be the monster she is they kind of pussyfoot around and sweep under the rug her war crimes just incase (You) pick her.
>>739081186Luv me albino lab rat daughterfu
>>739067435If edelgard wasn't a cute girl who is obsessed with (you) half the people who like he wouldn't like herIf she wasn't a girl nobody would like her at all.
>>739087531I feel like its the opposite really, if Edelgard was a dude people would forgive his retardation and go all in on the whole "playable Arvis/Walhart" thing.
>>739067435>literal first thing that happens in the game is the result of her hiring bandits to indiscriminately murder a group of people that includes children >forgets that said group of people also includes her and almost accidentally orders her own assassination if byleth wasn't there to save her stupid assI don't understand how this shit isn't enough to end the discourse, but here we are like 6 years later.
>>739087531Japanese wouldn't like him, but westerners would love him
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>>739088050iirc the plan was for the bandits to just scare away the new teacher, they didn't expect anyone to actually try and fight them.
>>739067435She's not, incels hate strong willed, ambitious women.
>>739087531Bullshit, all the touch-starved men here would be calling him based. It's precisely because it's a woman that you are all nickpicky little bitches.
