WHERE'S THE NEWSLETTER TOBY
>>739072958No need for that, Ch5 drops in May. May 2026 that is
>>739072958Generals go to /vg/
bump
>>739073176oh yeah?
so who is thiseveryone says its gonna be ZUN but i doubt hed learn gamemaker just to help toby with a single boss
>>739075386You really think it's going to be a prominent gamedev?The most prominent person that is part of the team is the Celeste composer, so I don't know who else is going to help
>>739075386Just one of Toby's quirky friends like how producer-san was a literal who.
>>739076075>>739076758NTA but what's the point of making a big deal about it being a secret if it's just some nobody?
>>739072958Everytime a new delta thread is made Ch5 gets delayed by another day
>>739076984So it works on the same principle as calling Gabe fat and making HL3 always take one year longer?
>>739076783To drum up hype or because they didn't want to be credited.
>>739077409Probably just some moderately-famous fangame dev then. I've seen people suggest ZUN, but he doesn't make his games in GameMaker and him learning GML just for this seems unlikely.
This loser will never post anything he wrote himself ever again. But his hands will go broke regardless. Maybe it's divine intervention.
>>739072958Toby said there aren't going to be anymore for awhile on bluesky awhile back, which means Chapter 5 is definitely close.Hold out for the June Nintendo Direct, odds are there's going to be a release date trailer there.
The game will never be finished. Move on.
chapter 5 is imminent. It's gonna drop any second now.
>>739077767Two more months chud.
>Start watching Deltarune theory videos on youtube out of sheer boredom>"we can assume that...">"Toby is all but telling us...">"at this point everybody knows that [theory beat based on assumptions and out-of-game evidence]>"[thing] looks like [other thing] which means they're connected!">"[unconfirmed theory] proves that [other unconfirmed theory] is true and calls back to [irrelevant scene from previous chapter]>"if you look at the file/variable names and reference this cut content...">"I am VERY smart!"Yeah I never liked this fandom but holy shit. When did theorycrafting become such a cesspool of smug wannabe intellectuals drawing arbitrary lines all over an unfinished story just to claim that they're right? And the literary, reading and contextual comprehension of this fanbase is fucking atrocious. Like more than one major theory has been born out of people's inability to read a fucking sentence properly. And don't even get me started on the George Lucas levels of understanding subtext and story parallels. I whole-heartedly pray that Dess isn't the knight, not because I have a problem with the theory but because I want to spite as much of these fucking retards as humanly possible.
>>739077767Can confirm, just got the call myself
>>739078213>When did theorycrafting become such a cesspool of smug wannabe intellectuals drawing arbitrary lines all over an unfinished story just to claim that they're right?Day fucking 1 brotherman. Blame fnaf fans. People who base theories on in-game evidence and solid analysis are in the extreme minority.
new Andrew Cunningham theory vid just droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R9_rPTMsEQ
People actually believe this.
>>739078374Any new information?
>>739078213Since Chapter 1's ending was a fake out that mindbroke the fandom and now every theory video is like that. Sometimes I miss the theory scene of Undertale and Chapter 1 were it was just text analysis or blatant fanfic, not people trying to know what's in Toby's head
>>739078450He doesn't do any new information, it's just analyzing motifs.
thought of a four panel comic but i am not an artist>panel 1: kris walks into noelle's house, speech bubble pointing off screen says "oh, kris! can you help me with something?">panel 2: kris sitting with noelle on her couch, kris has a bunch of kiss marks on his/her face (dealer's choice on male / female kris), each mark is a different color. noelle says, "hmm, i think wine looks the best. what do you think?">panel 3: kris rushes for the door, noelle looks confused and shocked>panel 4: kris is showing off the kiss marks to susie, looking proud (same -_- expression, but with sparkles around his/her head). susie, laughing, says "damn, you're a real casserola!"
I quite like deltarune but have always been content to wait for the new chapters when they come out. The other day I woke up desperately wanting to play a new chapter. The last time I had that feeling out of the blue chapter 3 and 4 were announced to be right around the corner. It's coming. Have faith.
>>739078213You don't need to do double reverse reacharound theory bullshit to justify Dess as The Knight, it's right there in front of you.
>>739078374part 2 when
>>739078750That's a shit comic. Come up with something actually funny next time.
>>739078521motifs? so it's just putting shit into perspective that we've already had put into perspective since halfway through last june
>>739078778I will stay a doomer so I can laugh when nothing happens again
>>739078885no.
>>739078887Yes. It's just analyzing the common motifs like water, light and etc in Deltarune.
>>739078450Nothing new in the sense that there's earth shattering new revelations that change the trajectory of the story, but I'd say the analysis and connections he provides for the game's symbology is fresh in comparison to other Deltarune theorists.
>>739078837>[thing] looks like [other thing] which means they're connected!My dude, he was calling you out specifically.
>>739079163>dude it just looks like that for no reason lol stop using your eyes
>>739079163>[thing] looks like that for no reasonwoah... finally... true intelligence...
>>739079163Why would you make the sword look like a bat if it's not meant to represent a bat?
Busy hangin out with Y
>>739079163This is a valid case for this though.
>>739078837>>739079235>>739079257>>739079284I shouldn't be surpised that these "people" have never seen a baseball bat before.
>>739078837>No crossguard>Weird shape>Baseball bat handle>Regular object turns into a deadly weapon>Not a baseball bat, but a big Shadow CrystalI wonder if the Shadow Crystals change shape based on the wielder's Determination at the moment of being drawn as a weapon, versus being used as an item. If they contain Determination, maybe that Determination is corrupted, like the stuff that made the Amalgamations turn to goop. Golly, if the Roaring Knight is wearing that stuff as armor, it would be like wearing a suit made of highly radioactive materials. But the Pure Crystal is made from Shadow Crystals, and is used to make the Twisted Sword. The only way to keep the ThornRing is by abandoning Snowgrave the moment you obtain it. So does this mean the TwistedSword is like walking the path of light and darkness? Gadzooks. Nobody has to get hurt, but sometimes you can't avoid hurting others.
>>739075386It's me. I'm making some of the bullets >implying green.Just for you guys. Those ones turn you gay if you touch them though.
>>739079617>Those ones turn you gay if you touch them though.sign me the fuck up
If Rudy also talked about baseball RudyKnight would have been a 100% shoe-in. Alas, only Dess is associated with it.
>>739077563is GML that difficult to learn?
Does the sword bat thing even matter? Couldn't any character transform it into a sword?
>>739079706noelle is the one who first mentioned a batnoelle is can also equip the black shardnoelle knight is all but guaranteed
>>739079802No, but it's unnecessary work. There's a reason why devs stick with the engines they're familiar with.
>>739079842Asriel is actually the first one with an unused bat.
>>739079912but that wasn't mentioned until the 10th anniversary, so he's the last one to the associated with a bat
>>739079990Yeah but in Toby's head he was the first associated with it.
>>739079593The Black Knife is made of "black shards"Shadow Crystals are different
>>739079842>noelle is the one who first mentioned a batWhen was that?
>>739079521>it looks like it but it doesn't matter>actually doesn't look like it all what's your next cope?
>>739080098ch1, the iconic wiffle bat line she's talking about how dess used it to smack kris when he was being a shitter
>>739079830The only reason for The Knight's weapon of choice to a be a baseball bat would be if 1) it's Dess or 2) It's one of her family honoring her/pretending to be her for some reasonIt's worth noting that Dess's baseball bat is nowhere to be found in her room
>fahaha remember when you came to my window, completely disheveled and besides yourself and told me how you were sorry about everything and the ntold me that berdly was going to be fine and then told me to not mention ANY of this again?>but i will totally mention all that again>fahaha its okay its just us! who else will listen?holy fucking shit why is she so retarded?
>>739078213i think it's just a product of the game taking too long to release, so a lot of theory videos just become a shared work of fanfiction with wild predictions out of boredom, until toby comes along and corrects them with the next chapterif you go too far in the other direction though, you get andrew cunningham's videos. they are good videos but even though he's an overconfident ass on stream, he seems scared of taking any hard stance in his videos for whatever reason
>>739080190Yeah that's my point. Just because it uses a bat doesn't automatically mean Knight=DessIt probably is Dess or some form of her but I wouldn't consider the bat to be strong evidence of that
>>739080102What bat has a pointed tip? or angular sides? The most batlike feature is the base or pommel and lack of a guard. Besides, Dess' connection to bats isn't even made out to be important. The only real significance of a bat was the whiffle bat she smacked Kris with, and those are even less bat shaped than a normal baseball bat.
>>739080407She’s a blonde
WHO IS THE KNIGHT? well let's ask who isn't the knight and why>KRIS, SUSIE, RALSEIwe see them all fight the knight>TORIEL, UNDYNEseen in the same room as the knight>ALPHYS, ANY OF KRIS'S CLASSMATEStoo stupid to do it>PIZZAPANTShe could never look that cool>ANY OF THE ETC. HOMETOWN NPCSdo you really think ice wolf could be the knight? get real.>ASGOREtoo big>ASRIELyiiking out>GERSONdead>ALVINtoo cucked>SANSwouldn't be funny>PAPYRUSwould be very funny if fedora wearing brony papyrus was the knight, but he's a shut-in and sans would know if he was up to somethingWHO'S LEFT?>CAROL, NOELLEcarol was too busy telling off noelle after you and susie left the manor. not nearly enough time for either them to make a beeline for the church and not get caught by kris and susie, unless they were working together with kris. improbable unless carol is doing some twin peaks bob shit to noelle turning her into the knight, not raping her shut the fuck up>RUDY, DESSnothing saying it couldn't be rudy or dess. rudy is stuck in a bed all day, but who says he can't go out the window to take care of business? it would be taxing on him to go full power when he's got a ruptured anus thanks asgore but not impossible. we know nothing about dess's whereabouts, so unless she's dead (can't freely run around in the light world) there's nothing stopping her from doing knight shit.
I think the funniest argument regarding the bat was that it's actually meant to be a brone age sword since some designs of it do incorporate a flat bottom, no crossguard and a progressively widening blade that ends in a tip. It's all extremely funny because it's basically saying that Toby decided to use a relatively obscure design, for whatever reason, and, more importantly, decided to make the sword turn into... another sword, again, for whatever reason.
>>739080181>person talking about a bat>person known for using a batgee I wonder which one of these people will be revealed to be the character shown wielding a bat
>>739079052Bro, you're the one begging for an artist. You have no room to negotiate.
>>739072958Where is the Krusie, Tony???
I'm gonna replay deltarune. When I'm done, Toby will announce the release date.
>>739072958You stupid NIGGER, there will not be a newsletter this month.
IN THIS HOUSE CAROL HOLIDAY IS A HERO WHO'S WILLING TO DO ANYTHING TO BE REUNITED WITH HER LONG LOST DAUGHTER
>>739080970Bro, what happened to Kris's tits?
>>739080903and you're an artist? i don't see any art
>>739080879The Knight is Dess' and Kris' combined souls that uses darkness to manifest its shape
>>739081110He was gay, Kris Dreemurr?
>>739081216You're not gonna believe this, he recruited 16 darkners, guy was an interior decorator
December Holiday, whateva happened there
>>739081124I can draw, yes. If someone here comes up with a good idea I wouldn't mind doing a comic.
Asgore's lipstick was on Rudy's cock-
>>739081125Nice rack
>You know I've been working for the Knight, right Sus?>Anyways, 4 dark dollars a pound
the problem with rudy is characterization. not to mention the most common motivation invented for him, looking for dess/bringing back dess, is not foreshadowed anywhere at all.
>>739081432then why don't YOU smarty-pants!!!
>>739081508All this from a slice of butterscotch pie?
>>739081685>Kris is Puss>Susie is TonyWho's Ralsei
>>739081726Bobby
>>739081432Do a comic about Berdly rejecting Noelle’s comic ideas.
>>739081415noelle's tits are not THAT big
You guys think 3 months without any news is bad? Try being a ponyfag, 7 years without anything new.
>>739081120It's FTM Kris.
>>739081872Tamers12345 is carrying the franchise on his back.
>>739081861They should be.
>>739081907Yeah but Tamers is also fucking dogshit you need to genuinely be braindead to like it. Take your meds.
I don’t think we’ll be getting a newsletter ever again cuz spoilers I guess lol
>>739081971Thanks doc
>>739081872The frenzy that's subsisting these threads is generally the fact that news can come just about any day nowNot really the WAIT
Fuck, it's that fuckin' knight!>UP IN DA CLUB
>>739081971Tamers is the greatest animator of our generation. You're just jealous of his talent.
>>739073075so in less than 2 weeks?
>>739082068He's just really autistic about it, his animations are literally just 2 or 3 frames being repeated, and his long ass dialogues are practically still images with lip sync, that's it.His stories have no fucking depth, no themes, no genuine conflict, characters don't mean fucking jackshit, it's all slop for autistic manchildren.
>>739082070Yup, arg starts soon
>>739080728what pencil has a sharp blade that can turn into an eraser? what hair brush has an ax blade on it?
At this point I'm begging for more ARG slop featuring merch bait Spamton content
"Elephant in the Dark" by Coleman Barks(Published in The Essential Rumi. Harper Collins, 1995.)Some Hindus have an elephant to show.No one here has ever seen an elephant.They bring it at night to a dark room.One by one, we go in the dark and come outsaying how we experience the animal.One of us happens to touch the trunk."A water-pipe kind of creature."Another, the ear. "A very strong, always movingback and forth, fan-animal."Another, the leg. "I find it still,like a column on a temple."Another touches the curved back."A leathery throne."Another, the cleverest, feels the tusk."A rounded sword made of porcelain."He's proud of his description.Each of us touches one placeand understands the whole in that way.The palm and the fingers feeling in the dark arehow the senses explore the reality of the elephant.If each of us held a candle there,and if we went in together,we could see it.
>>739082046Word to the wise, remember Noelle's spelling bee.
>>739082131>His stories have no fucking depth, no themes, no genuine conflict,That's blatantly incorrect. There are themes, you just don't like them. You think his animation is bad, but you go ahead and try to do the same. As an artist he has talent and his rate of output is superhuman. He's also genuinely a great comedy writer. Tamers is one of the most talented humans to ever live.
>>739082321Dumb retard, go consume some more goyslop in your goychamber you fucking plebian slave. A patrician like me doesn't concern himself with the interests of slaves.
>>739082041it's not coming any day
>Darkners? They're not all bad...>How 'boat the Roaring? Cocksuckas opened dark fountains in Hometown! Flooded the world with darkness!>That was real? I saw that movie, I thought it was bullshit.
>>739081685
>>739082046>Satanic ice magic, sick shit!
>>739072958You must learn to WAIT.>>739073075It's not two more weeks but two more months. You must learn to WAIT even more.
>>739081125This but it's her soulless body and Kris's soul
>>739081415Noelle’s tits are not THAT small.
FemKris... is real!!!
>>739083236Wowzers I can't believe fem humans are real.
This is what FemKris believers want.
What would it take for vee to finally accept Suselle (which has 99% odds of becoming real) instead of rabidly fight against it?
>20 years in the dark world, I wanted butterscotch pie. I compromised, I ate moss of the cell wall instead.>I wanted to fuck Noelle. But I compromised, I jacked off on Ralsei's dummy. You see where I'm going?
what if the kris being a they/themer has nothing to due with "muh ambiguity" or "muh elaborate plot twist" or because or any genderless bullshit but because he's an autistic furry who lives in a town of gay retards and randomly deciding that he's "non-binary" is the exact kind of retardation a weird like kris would do
>>739083579this board coped its way into supporting kriselle yuri. as long as suselle happens in a way that would probably piss off troons this site will clap and call toby a based chad
>>739083639I think you should go back to preddit.
>>739083737>this board coped its way into supporting kriselle yuriNice try
>>739082148>it doesn't have to look like a bat in the dark world!But it looking like a bat was the argument in the first place.
>>739083879the initial frame is a bat that then morphs into a blade like the knight itself being amorphous
>>739083814It's just the redditor's latest tactic after he got exposed and after he started larping as a humanfag and oldfag. Now it's to pretend /v/ is super gay because of femKris.
>>739078837>dess knight in may 2026Never too late to bend the knee.
>>739084119Name a single association Rudy has with baseball.
>>739079912>>739079706Asriel Knight unironically has the most going for it, over Dess/Noelle/Carol/RudyEven the "the knight is dess's corpse" works better with Asriel
>>739083525This is what I want but for the other two humans.
>>739084161I don't need to. The Knight isn't associated with baseball.
>>739083579I will in fact not cope. The moment susselle becomes undeniably canon I am dropping this game and never playing it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iURMluYM2U>completely BTFOs retarded contrarians in two minutesHe is LITERALLY /ourguy/
>>739084161He is the loving father of Dess who is stated to use bats. He uses a bat in an attempt to save his daughter, it's symbolic
why is known non-committal fencesitter andrew cunningham shilling himself here
>>739084386He's still a faggot hack no matter how much he's shilled... but he's right here. Chapter 1's ending broke the fandom.
>>739084650which one are you >>739084119 >>739084237 >>739084298
>>739084386so he's a carol knighter?
>>739084710Chapter 1's bullshit gotcha isn't good writing to begin with and Toby has himself to blame for it
>>739084650It's his midwit fanon.
what motivation does Toby have to actually waste the rest of his life finishing deltarune?There's no way he actually likes his own creation after all this time and exposure to the fandom who are literal fucking diaper fetish mentally disabled redditorsAnd he is so filthy rich he could happily just go have an eternal vacation in Japan (actually I think he already started doing this)
>>739084237Why is he beating the shit out of Kris and his friends? Why did he try to take Toriel? Why is he endangering his brother by summoning titans? Why is he trying to start the roaring?
>>739084724he was too afraid to denounce kris knight while having all the arguments against it btw
>>739084768>Chapter 1's bullshit gotchaYou mean the ending that establishes "Kris is not You" and "Kris is up to something sinister," two things that are critical facts for the rest of the story?
weren't 3+4 only released like 7 months ago
>>739084768It's an intentional red herring, yeah. Andrew is still a faggot and his argument being "there's no god irl and thus coincidences can happen unlike UT/DR" tells me I was completely right about all my insults towards him. It would be funny if the phone voice is the Knight so he can get BTFO again
>>739084838dunno, i can only create assumptions/headcanons for those, just like dess knight
>>739084854What was the better evidence-backed alternative he was supposed to support instead
>>739084876The "muahahaha somehow Chara has returned" knife thing that intentionally misleads the audience on a cliffhanger is just kind of bullshit if you're going to immediately dismiss it for a joke
>>739084854He's just too afraid to commit to anything so he can never be wrong and appear smart to his cocksuckers.
>>739084386>>739084650He is the agnostic theorist. He's just SCARED and will NEVER commit. Even his new """theory""" isn't original.
>>739085003>intentionally misleads the audienceWhat were you misled about?
>>739085020And just like agnostic go to hell like atheists, so is he a hack like the other theorists.
>>739084953Anti-Kris Knighters might be the schizophrenic (insert non-dess knight) knighters of today. The stance was always "it isn't Kris. i dont know who but it isn't kris" without needing to provide an alternative. He couldn't even commit to that.
>>739085015>>739085020>if you don't jump to conclusions based on nothing like a retard you're a cowardKrisKnighters or Mikefags?
>>739085153Andrew isn't going to fuck you bro
>>739085153idk if you're new but every time kris knight was brought up to him before chapters 1+2 hes had plenty of solid arguments against itand never once argued in its favor. he was just terrified of being wrong incase it WAS kris.
>>739084237Asriel knight isn’t happening for the simple fact that he was already the main baddie in undertale
>>739084786>why would Toby complete his passion project when he could just spend the rest of his life doing nothing as a Japanese NEET?
>>739085219Honestly I'm surprised he even committed to Carol phone and Dess Knight.
>>739085070>pulls out a knife with an evil smile>it was only to slice pie, LMAO! Stupid you for thinking otherwise!
>>739085320Reminder that all Kris Knife revisionists were apart of the Kris Knighters that mysteriously all disappeared
They can't defend themselves from being called contrarian retards because they know it's trueThey can't make an argument to defend their stupid bullshit, they can only try to tear down the obvious truth and cry foul that those who waited and thought were rewardedYou're full of shit and you know it, everyone knows it. You will get BTFO, but you'll just laugh it off and pretend you were never serious about it anyway.
>>739081120Susie ate em
What exactly were the anti Kris-knight arguments before chapter 3? He was revealed to be on the knight's side, so that part was right.
>>739085003Going to be honest I never thought Kris was possessed by Chara because that was stupid. I always saw that as confirmation Kris was Chara and was going to do something nefarious off-screen that we were only going to find out later, which was correct.
>>739083737It’s two guys in threads housing six people max and at this point you’re being more obnoxious than the literal yuritards
>>739085465>so that partnah thats not kris being the knight haha"kris just wants to have dark world adventures with susie :)" never worked as an anti-kris knight talking point because of the TV detail. believing kris was dirty ≠ kris knight
>>739085314The point I'm making is I doubt it's his passion project before>neetneets aren't millionaires, anon. Are you one of those diaper disabled redditors? Seems like you are.
If Chapter 3 was released without 4 this shit would've been the biggest source of fandom speculation ever and all of that for another fakeout. I think people would've snapped at Toby
>>739085557>obnoxious than the literal yuritardsI'll take 100 of anons like that over literal yuritroon epstein disciples.
>>739085317It puts in perspective what complete contrarian moron dipshits the people denying them are, when the guy who never jumps to any conclusion considers them so obviously true that he barely feels the need to justify them
>>739085389Kris Knighters didn't disappear, we still say we're the most correct out of all the knight theorists in Chapter 2. Alvin Knighters were the ones who are GONE.
>>739085569That doesn't answer the question. How do you debunk Kris-knight with chapter 1/2 information?
>>739083969Except as >>739080728 points out bats don't have pointed tips.
>>739072958shitty le forced meme face after another, sighis that all deltarune has to offer?
>>739085627>we still say we're the most correct out of all the knight theoristsKris wasn't the Knight, so you're less correct than Anti-Kris Knighters.
>>739085465Most of it was related to Kris not being able to open the Chapter 2 fountain and discussing when it was made. As a Kris Knighter there were the strongest counter-arguments.
>>739085320Kris didn't just eat pie. Look at the screenshot I posted. Or play the game.If you genuinely thought there was any chance Kris was Chara and the game was just going to be Genoslides Part 2 when Toby explicitly denied that Deltarune was any kind of direct continuation of Undertale the day after it came out, I don't know what to tell you other than you were just stupid
>>739085624>it's so so so obvious>but... that doesn't make it a shit mystery or anything
>>739085712Neither were the other candidates like Papyrus or Alvin the knight, so we were more correct than them.
>>739085624True. I love Rudy knight but acknowledge that would only happen if I was the one writing the story, since I'm murder mystery fan. The association of Dess with the knight is extremely blatant. It being anyone else would be a mean-spirited red herring, which Toby Fox does not do.
>>739084386He's crashing out here and not really making the best argument for his case, which is that it could be a red herring for her *being the knight,* but that doesn't mean her showing up is a coincidence.
>>739085317Dess Knight is so thematically accurate to the journey so far and with clues and build up, a better question is why would you even think otherwise besides the desire to force another answer.
>>739085740>Chapter 2 fountain and discussing when it was madeRight, there's no way Kris would have made it. That's actually a rock-solid counter. Did the supporters have any responses to it?
Why are there so many sprites left in the game of characters bleeding? There's Carol's light world portrait with what appears to be blood on her cheek, and the Dark World sprites of Susie healing an injury on her head that have been in store since CH2.
>>739085796>candidatesAnti-Kris Knight didn't require having a Knight candidate instead, Kris Knighters never were going blow for blow against Jaru's gerson theory for example
>>739085465>>739085686The biggest single point was probably that Kris couldn't have possibly made the Chapter 2 fountain
>>739085791Stage 3: Anger
>>739085686>How do you debunk Kris-knight with chapter 1/2 information?It was impossible for Kris to make the fountain. Ralsei didn't feel "a dark presence" the entire time they were in Castle Town, so we are to assume that the fountain didn't exist until we left the closet.Futhermore, picrel implies the Knight at the very least hid in the closet, and has no reason to be a red herring.
>>739085624I agree with Dess Knight but not Carol Phone. Since we never hear what it fully says Carol coming home could be a coincidence and the "I'll be right there" could be a longer sentence. I always thought it was the Knight on the phone when I first played.
reminder that alphys made more sense as the knight than kris didand i would argue that noelle makes more sense than kris knight ever did, despite being disregarded as schizo nonsense by non believers
>>739085830I dunno why people keep thinking that any kind of subversion of the Dessknight expectation necessitates red herrings. "The hints weren't pointing towards what you thought they were" is a classic twist trick.
>>739085857>a better question is why would you even think otherwise besides the desire to force another answer.That's Toby's fault for the way he ended chapter 1. It was a petty subversion done for its own sake, so now the fans look for subversions everywhere.
>>739086020Forgot picrel but this anon posted it anyway>>739085950
>>739086053>Carol coming home could be a coincidenceProtip: this is not how stories work.
>>739085945Mostly that the fountain was opened at night instead, and Ralsei was hiding when it was made until it was convenient and that Berdly and Noelle walked inside like Susie and Kris.>>739085949"Anti-Kris Knighters" did not exist in that era, just Kris Knight versus other knight candidates. This group is historical revisionism after every other Knight theory got blown the fuck out.
>>739086067Dess knight being false would require all the baseball shit to be a giant red herring. It'd be a very mean-spirited twist.
>>739086020>>739085950dont forget, we still thought that King met the knight, and thought queen knew who it was as well, so them not recognizing Kris (along with seam/jevil) as the knight ruled kris out
90% of theories can be shot down with the simple question “would this feel like a retarded asspull if it actually happened in game”. Now this isn’t full proof but again deltarune is meant to be an interesting story first an esoteric series of twists second and I think more theorists need to acknowledge that
Nobody talks about how closing the fountain in the beginning of Chapter 4 is a very strange sequence jumping right to Kris waking up the next day
>>739083236… eh I’m not feeling like debating it today… maybe tomorrow
>>739085948References to Deltarune monsters being flesh-and-blood were cut to make the reveal of Susie's hand bleeding at the end of Chapter 4 more dramaticThe scene where Susie approaches Noelle at the church comes off as really awkward and weird because there was supposed to be a punchline about Susie drinking Noelle's blood that was cutAlso, the red dot that you keep seeing in the Weird Route is supposed to be Noelle's finger bleeding after you prick her with the thorn
>>739086210Most theorists are not writers, so they have no idea. I am, which is why my theory works.
>>739086140I am open to Carol being the phone voice, I'm just not convinced.
>>739086278If that was the point what's with the bunny monster that doesn't know monsters bleed? Trolling on part of the author?
>>739086189>"Anti-Kris Knighters" did not exist in that eraeven shitposters didnt say an alternative to the knight because the options available (papyrus? alvin? """oberon smog"""?) was too retarded
>>739086278remember that the main reason why retards shit so hard about monsters not having blood is because a single monster in ch1 asks if it hurts kris to have bloodall the anti-blood arguments are centred around a kid asking a dumb question
>>739086201Kris Knighters correctly argued against this.
>>739086380The only alternative would be the voice being the knight who immediately relayed the information to Carol. That's just a more obtuse version of the same thing.
>>739085581the joke is that Toby does seem invested enough to finish his “dream game” rather than just using his already vast trove of wealth to do fuck all for the rest of his life. and again the fuckers a homestuckfag I seriously doubt he’s TOO shocked at how retarded this fanbase is
>>739086190Aside from the fact we have something connecting Asriel with bats, that's also making the assumption that the bats could still be alluding to Dess while not being Dess.Consider the knight not being Dess but there being a reason it's taking her form.
>>739085948>>739086278I'm gonna go with the simplest meta explanation:Toby made Undertale Monster lore to fit Undertale, not Deltarune. Monsters not bleeding in Deltarune makes for an inconvenient and pointless restriction for the language and imagery he wants to use so that's why monsters bleed in Deltarune.
>>739086437what was the argument again, because i sure as fuck didnt buy it
>>739086413Cunningam is right in that stories do not have coincidences. That kid is there for a reason. if all monsters bleed, then it was an act of blatant deception/misdirection by the author.
>>739086284are you the pizzaknight guy….
>>739086408No, they did. "Anti-Kris Knighters" were just all other knight candidates. You're posting screenshots close to the release date which is were this group first started existing. But beforehand it was just Kris Knight vs Alvin/Papyrus/Mayor Knight.
>>739086408holy shit kek
>>739072958you vill vait for ze troongame un you vill be happeh
>>739086507The argument is that King and Queen simply didn't meet the Knight and were based their actions on what they thought of the Knight.
>>739086437>they were right that kris was an antagonist>they were right that kris created the fountain for an antagonistic reason>they were right that villains talking about the knight never actually met the knight>they were right that kris can move faster without us inside than had been shown thus farAnd they could still be right about Kris being the knight
>>739086549The one thing that can be agreed upon is Knight discourse was terrible in post chapter 2 era because there was just not enough substract to theorize candidates
>>739086201People were able to reason that The Knight might have done all the shit in Chapter 1 before actually making the fountain, but that didn't explain characters like Jevil and Spamton who are Knowers still trying to talk to Kris about The Knight
>>739085796Nigger even back then Dess knight or “Carol” knight(Knight Mayor) were fairly popular meanwhile kris knight was actively meme’d on>t. faggot who’s lurked here a depressingly long time
>>739086673If the Knight is Kris' original soul theory turns out trues then does that give KrisKnighters a vindicated late victory?
>>739082892End life.
>>739086549>anti-kris knighters didnt exist>screenshot of them existing>ok they existed but it was just close to the release dateI have a feel you're the VERY one in these screenshots.
>>739084237Asriel being Undertale's bad guy stops that from happening. Toby doesn't do the same thing twice.
>>739086650what about jevil?
>>739086757No, I must WAIT instead.
Chapter 5 threads are going to be unbearable
>>739086746Okay? This isn't about popularity. Dess Knight wasn't popular though.>>739086769Yes, they existed closer to the release date because that's when people realized their other candidates wouldn't happen, it was either Kris or nothing. But during most of the wait Kris Knight was just another group. The Anti Kris Knight group that only argued Kris is the Knight didn't exist during most of the WAIT.
>>739086549kris knighters were getting routinely dabbed on months prior to releaseyou're revisionism isn't going to work
>>739086831Jevil was argued to have met Gaster, not the Knight. It was agreed by pretty much everyone.
>>739086441>>739086380It's a 3 party phone call
The knight is The knigh Kris is The human/The cage
>>739086994I didn't argue that. Kris Knight was controversial, but the group that only argued against Kris Knight but for no other Knight candidate only existed close to the release date of 3 and 4.
>>739086673Honestly I'm very certain either Knight has Kris’s soul or he will become a knight because of his knife being in Jackenstein's map, which is also the knife in the FIGHT button.
>andrew cunninghamfags and spookydoodfags were btfo'd by jaruThe biggest winner.
>>739087126Technically, the cage is a combination of the human soul and human parts. We are already bound to a human soul so any soulless husk we can become part of the cage
whats the "kris knight" of modern deltarune?
>>739086441Or that Carol showing up was a coincidence.
>>739087340Jaru is weirdly the most correct theorists which is very grim, but I think it's because he's the only one who makes real theories.
>>739087415No. Stories do not have coincidences.
>almost a year later>i can still open up the thread and see kris knighters coping about being wrong
>>739086970imagine if we don't get a single hint for the knight's identity in chapter 5at least 1 to 3 more years of this bullshit
>>739087386Closest is probably Dess Knight or Carol Phone but they aren't as controversial as Kris Knight was. Truthfully there is no Kris Knight in this era.
>>739087386Something that is technically wrong but spiritually correct? I'm guessing the Gaster/Friend shit. They will never be directly involved with the plot of the game.
the curtains are blue
Reminder the fate of a third wheel is to die alone, unloved, and forgotten
>>739087513Kris Knight won. Alvin/Papyrusfags lost. Mayor Knight got a pyrrhic victory.
>>739084386>If he's going to give us incorrect information, it's not my job to like, pretend that I know better.This is the shit I'm talking about. Faggots just pile up pieces of the story that they think are meaningful and connected and have the audacity to claim that THEY KNOW the future of the plot with absolute certainty. They even go as far as claiming that if Toby does something different then HE'S wrong. All the theory niggers are retarded mouthbreathers, including you if you follow any of this shit with any ounce of seriousness.
>>739087561>Truthfully there is no Kris Knight in this era.No, it's definitely Gaster theories. Every single theorizer including Andrew is 100% confident Gaster is behind everything.
>>739087563Oh yeah, FRIEND being the tail of hell is definitely Kris Knight 2.0 if there's a current one.
>>739087513For me, it's the days during the OST leak.
>>739087491They actually do, a lot of times
>>739087689
>>73908754850 bucks says it won't. In fact, Knight won't even make an appearance in ch5. Asgore already kicked its ass once before given how he has a black shard, it's staying clear of his shop
>>739087664But Gaster is behind a lot of shit and that's confirmed it's not really a theory anymore
>>739087689I really did think Black Knife was about Kris... at least I was right it was about the Knight I guess. I take the L here.
>>739087623Kris Knight LOST. Anti-Kris Knight WON.
>>739087806>Gaster is behind a lot of shit and that's confirmedAha. Sure it is it. Just like Kris was confirmed to be the knight.
>>739087664Gaster being involved is not like Kris Knight. FRIEND theorist are more likely to be like them.
>>739087846No I mean he literally is
>>739087939I'm not seeing Gaster there. Where is he?
i was never a chapter 2 kris knighterHOWEVER, i am a chapter 5+ kris knighter
honestly idk what you guys are on this wait is still nothing compared to post 1 or 2 id be more worried about 6 and 7
>>739085465A smaller piece of evidence was that at one point Toby discussed one of his original ideas for the intro animation, which would have included the fun gang running up a long flight of stairs to find the Knight at the top. It's not a gotcha, but those are the kinds of visuals you try to avoid if one of your main characters is going to have a secret identity.
>>739087971all i need to do is make a gay little tiktok edit and its over for carol/rudy/noelle/dess
>>739087821A group that didn't exist can't win.
>>739088017This sequences don't mean anything because we don't know who the man behind the tree is. It's a whole lot of nonsense.
>>739088068the final revisionist cope
>>739088167It's true, though. The unified group that was just against Kris Knight but didn't have a knight candidate only existed a month before the game released.
>>739087996Yeah, the cope was that it was like an anime opening with different visuals of the characters but it wasn't that strong.
>>739088226It's also a very bad argument.>I disagree with your theory!>Alright, what is your alternative?>I don't have one!Wow, great counter.
>>739085587People would've actually hated Chapter 3 if it came out by itself and had a year long wait until 4.
>>739088308>Wow, great counter.it was, we were correct. kris was not the knight.
>>739086238Some people do when discussing about the SOUL having their own will or notm
>>739088308The argument is the Knight had to be someone we haven't seen yet
>>739088308>I don't think kris is the knight>therefore, I must believe that this character without a talksprite is the knight or fucking papyrusIt's a valid train of thought to reject all the chapter 2 knight candidates.
>>739088167It's funny how they got btfo so hard they have to pretend like it didn't happen or somehow doesn't count.>nobody was anti-krisknight>okay people were against it but they didn't have another candidate so it doesn't count (many people did, and you don't need to have another candidate to recognize that it couldn't have been Kris)>okay it was wrong but it "the most correct" (whatever that means) so >okay maybe the knight is Dess but it actually has Kris's soul and the soul we play as is a different one (even though the game explicitly refers to the soul as Kris's)Just take the L and move on.
>>739086747It would be a partial victory as he's only part of the Knight.
>>739088372There's such a thing as being proven correct for the wrong reason. Like a flat earther accidentally making correct predictions.
Reading this thread makes me wonder.Where did this massive victim complex come from? Even more, it's a victim complex stemming from some unseen third entity's victim complex. I know that this is probably real and people probably actually cry about something this fucking stupid. But how hard did they have to rape you in the butt to post nonstop about, "people who are mad that their theories aren't real" from a completely theoretical hypothetical position, not in response to, but simply because they exist.
Oh yeah third entity theory got really BTFO'd. It barely exists anymore except Jaru's "Dess raped her own sister" theory
>>739087340Was the idea that objects that had monster dust on them could become darkner ghosts really that unpopular? I'm pretty sure it would have been unpopular only in a "I didn't think of it" sense and not a "I don't think that would happen" because it was a really compelling theory. Hell I remember an anon on here being outright convinced it was happening when he first heard the theory pre 3/4.
>>739088308Most of the people ITT are just X is the Knightfags pretending they never had a candidate other than being against Kris. They just don't have the balls to admit they were more wrong than Kris Knight.
>>739079593this game is so fucking retarded
>>739075386>five question marksIt's System Erasure. Deltarune part 5 is now confirmed to be Black Onion.
>>739088595It wasn't super unpopular but it wasn't unpopular either.
>>739088549>Where did this massive victim complex come from?
The fact is, before episode 3 Papyrus knight had more evidence to it than Dess knight. Really makes you think, doesn't it?
>>739084386andrew is projecting hard when he bitches about people fixating hard on one piece of evidence and ignoring other pieces
>>739088456The point is that Kris Knight was more correct than the other candidates and this enlightened centrist view of just being against Kris Knight didn't actually exist in a meaningful manner during most of the WAIT.
>>739088456>nobody was anti-krisknightYou've completely misunderstood what that anon meant. Anti-krisknight doesn't exist in the sense that it wasn't giving an actual answer on who they thought the knight was.
>>739088702
>>739088846Charlie Brown did have hoes
>>739088765My point was that this group that was only against Kris Knight did not exist in a meaningful way. Most people that were against it believed in their own knight candidates.
>>739088736you gonna follow up on that or
>>739088372Kris is the knight, they were fighting his stand.
>>739088549Who is this post referring to?
>>739088595Honestly from all the threads I spammed this in before chapter 3+4 I'm surprised that there's talk about "was it popular/unpopular?"I thought it was just kind of a sure thing that was absolutely going to happen. But if it didn't then it'd be a big waste.
>>739088308You don't need to provide your own explanation to tear down someone else'sPretending you could figure out the story less than a third of the way through it was not a reasonable position in the first place
>>739088549theory fags thinking they solved the entire story with only a quarter of it to go off of after toby lightly jabbed them with the mike stuff, they went into total meltdown mode and haven't recovered kris knighters are the worst of the lot, as they're still desperately trying to salvage the theory and are just making shit up to try and justify how it's still true
>>739088702alphys knight had better reasoning noelle knight was more possible than kris knight they were rare, but dess knighters did exist back thenall three of them were more correct than kris knight, because kris isn't the knight and it's still possible for those three to be
>>739089029Knox #1: The criminal must be someone mentioned in the early part of the story. If this is a proper mystery, it's absolutely solvable early on.
>>739089097Noelle Knight made less sense then than even now because people thought Queen had seen the Knight
>>739088695Yeah and in that case I only ever see people schizophrenically bring up "mikefags" without said mikefags ever posting.
>>739087971>>739088017I strongly believe in the knight promotion theory, especially since Kris's knife is in the Jackenstein map and he gets knighted by the Knight, too.
>>739089189doesn't queen blatantly say that she never saw it in ch2? it was king that people were confused with iirc
>>739089029>the shadow in the mantle game copying kris's movements>the knights posing mimicing poses kris does>the hand showing up to push kris away when you try to backtrack at the end of chapter 4None of that is made up.
>>739089105okso that leaves alphys, noelle, berdly, and the rest of the class because they're the first characters we see that aren't disqualified by ch3
>>739089029Kris Knighters don't try to "salvage" their theory. We just argue our reasoning was in the right place unlike every other knight candidate back then, which is why we got so much right. The biggest salvage is just saying the Knight has Kris’s SOUL
>>739089029The funny thing is that people just completely ignore that the Mike stuff actually has some lore tidbits in there and it isn't entirely a joke
>>739088979I think the position of being a fag who just goes "stop talking" is less tenable. I'd rather listen to 20 anons schizobabbling ideas than one fag replying to everyone saying, "There isn't fun allowed here. Stop trying to discuss what you've been shown."All you can say is "w-w-w-w--w-wuh-wuh-wwell- it's wetarded..."
>>739088702They had the same amount of evidence in being "character that hasn't show up yet". Only that Papyrus Knight was more popular.
>>739089339Papyrus was mentioned early on by Sans. That means his candidacy is valid.
kind of stupid go be going into chapter 5 with more mysteries than answerschapter 6 and 7 better not be retardedly backloaded with all the answers so the flow feels "natural"
>>739087386an fairly popular but also really contentious theory? can't think of any. all of the big theories now are fairly milquetoast with only a handful of contrarians disagreeing meanwhile none of the more "spicy" theorists are that popular outside of small circles. like i doubt i'll see hoards of retards proclaiming that kris HAS to be the girl or else toby's a bad writer outside of here and does ANYONE unironically believe in modern dustriel?
>>739089105dumb UminekofagDeltarune is not and has never been a fair-play detective story. Toby Fox has given you no good reason to think he gives a fuck about your made up arbitrary rules.Even if Deltarune was written to be one you would still be a fucking idiot. A mystery reveals information over the course of the story, you can't expect to solve one when you don't have even 1/3rd of the clues.Having a complete list of suspects doesn't make it "solvable," you're just fucking guessing.
>>739089432Has papyrus actually been mentioned by name in Deltarune? Or has Sans only ever referred to him as his brother with that "distant trousle of bones" flavortext?
>>739089226>Kris's knife is in the Jackenstein mapThat's a sword, man
>>739089457Have you ever played Toby game before? Everything will be explained in a giant lore dump just before the end.
>>739089432sans mentioned his brotherwe do not know if he's talking about papyrus or not because he hasn't been named at all
>>739089105dess was mentioned in chapter 1, sure it is missable, but not the chapter 2 mentions (unless you do weird route but that is not intended on a first blind playthrough)
>>739089549you're right, I guess I got my hopes up thinking he might have improved on that front.
>>739089469Friend theories are dominant and believed 100% true despite being utter schizo nonsense.
>>739089432So was Dess by Noelle, and by name. They had the same amount of evidence. >>739089520No, but his name triggers a Gaster response.
>>739089337There's nothing fun about a stubborn autist going through his pet theory's flowchart of bullshit for the fourth time this week and demanding everyone take his stupid shit seriously, or throwing out complete fucking nonsense like "Toriel is the Knight the Toriel you saw was just a hologram"It's not fun or interesting, it's a waste of everybody's time. Stop talking.
>>739089547That's the knife from Undertale's fight button
>>739089549this too, is toby ripping off mother 3
Maybe the real W.D. Gaster were the friends we made along the way???????
>>739089469FRIEND being the tail of hell is the closest to Kris Knight.
>>739089663No, it's not. You know that it's not, you can see them and compare them. Come on.
>>739089657Chapter 3 Toriel being a hologram makes just as much sense as Carol walking in at chapter 4 being a coincidence.
Why does he have exposed nipples?
>>739089742It looks just like the two knife depictions we get in Deltarune.
>>739089834
>>739089753And everyone with a brain agrees that "it's a coincidence" is a bullshit excuse and Carol was in fact phoneWhat are we getting at here
>>739089803He's Berdly’s nemesis
>>739089834>>739089891Oh, you're the guy who suffers from Sword Blindness who thinks a bat looks like a sword
>>739086497For some reason nobody ever remembers that Toby's said many times that Deltarune only has a monster cast because undertale was popular. It wasn't the original plan.
>>739089956bats don’t slash
>>739089956No, I think the bat looks like a bat but that sword looks like Kris's knife.
>>739089902>Carol was second phone but not first>Kris phoned her up because he knew she would keep Susie away from the guitar for him
>>739089591>>739089701FRIEND theories aren't like Kris KnightKris Knight was contested because it had strong evidence for it (Kris opened a fountain) while also having strong evidence contradicting it (Kris couldn't have opened the Cyber World fountain)There's no obvious contradiction to FRIEND theories
>>739089982Even before that was confirmed that seemed obvious to me. You can absolutely imagine a version of Deltarune where Hometown is all earthbound-esque humans.
>>739090107Yeah, I can't think of any Kris Knight like theory outside of Carol Knight, then. Mayyyybe Rudy Knight but that's a stretch.
>>739089956Even if you want to argue that's not a knife, it clearly doesn't qualify as a sword. It's a long dagger or a machete at best.
>>739090150Rudy Knight has no counter-evidence.
>>739089982The one thing that we don't know yet is the significance of Undertale's context being relevant to Deltarune, if Deltarune was first conceptualized before it.
Here's a valid Krisknight theory that uses actual game information to support it. I am not a Krisknighter, I just wanted to flex my creativity muscles and was kind of pleased with what I came up with. I'm 97% sure that this isn't going to happen >Kris is technically the Knight, but only his soul, which is absent from his body, hence the necessity of our involvement.>Kris was already removing his own soul before we were ever apart of the game, evidenced by the bloodstain and well used birdcage>The Knight/Soul is incapable of leaving the dark world, he is instead relying on outside help>Each location has someplace for a person to hide, with chapters 2 and 4 specifying a closet big enough for a large person to fit inside>The most likely candidate being Asgore, a large person, close to Kris, who is in possession of a dark shard >It is never stated that the person opening the fountain has to enter it. The process seems to take enough time for someone to walk away after stabbing the ground.>Asgore could have opened the school fountain at any point where people were in class, hidden in the library/church closets waiting for the right time to open the fountain.>The Knight could have simply thrown Undyne out of the dark world to a waiting AsgoreSo basically Kris needs to be the knight to accomplish whatever they're trying to do with Carol/Asgore/Dess and all of this started long before YOU were the soul inside Kris. Kris is now feeling apprehension at the plan because of his growing friendship with Susie/Ralsei. The big red flag of this theory (and most theories) is why would any of the candidates summon the titan? Anyway this was for fun, comment or don't, whatever makes you happy.
>>739090049>The person Kris was talking to about the same subjects presented the same way in both scenes was actually two different peopleThis is an example of a stupid bullshit theory with no evidence or purpose beyond knee-jerk contrarianism to what the game is obviously telling you
>>739090183I'm sure that's the kind of clear and meaningful distinction Toby was keeping in mind when he drew that shitty 16x16 pixel art
>>739090229Rudy Knight has no evidence
>>739090252>with no evidenceWe've already seen the game change how it presents phone conversations with Carol with the weird route ending. Actually I just remembered, the weird route challenges the notion Carol arrives because Kris phoned her up doesn't it?
>>739090252what's always been interesting to me is that Kris is referred to in third person by whoever is speaking
>>739090229Onion-san Knight has no counter-evidence.
>>739090358there is a black out between the noelle scene and the bathroom crashout, and kris' phone contacts are still erased. it could have happened there
>>739090324Rudy is the only known (living) antlered person who was able to be the knight in chapter 4. If you treat this like a detective story, it has to be him.
When did you realize that he was The Knight?
>>739090367Correct. The difference is that Rudy has positive evidence for it, while Onion-san doesn't.
>>739090183It's clearly a knife, it looks just like Kris's knife. Also just like the real/toy knife.
>>739090415Don't forget that after chapter 3 Rudy got worse, and he also made several somewhat off comments.I really think Rudy Knight is the most likely explanation here. The only alternative is Dess, but Dess is in such a fucking unknown state that it's hard to say anything definitive about her, just like Mr. G Ass ter.
>>739090415what about noelle what about carol >but muh 'kris and susie would've seen them'wandering around town is not diagetic, we already know we're skipping streets based on how the houses line up and there are multiple things to do after noelle's house before going to church
>>739090417This just lets me realize another one of Noelle's various mental illnesses.>Rudy has a hard guffawing laugh>Knight/Dess has a hard guffawing laugh>Susie has a hard guffawing laughSeriously why the fuck does she want to fuck her sister so badly?
gaster is cut content and it's going to be hilarious when the game comes out and there's zero, zilch, nada about him being involved, either directly or indirectly
>>739090605Why bait at this point, it's impossible to deny Gaster
>>739090415literally in the hospital someone would see him leave and obviously the knight isnt a regular fucking person they can shapeshift
>>739090543It can't be either of them.
Actually I did more research and the "sword" here >>739089547 is just from Deltarune's fight button, associating it with Kris.
>>739090605Anon, the egg man is behind at least four trees, will continue to offer you eggs in these trying times, and also freak you the fuck out. He's not going away.
>>739090682but it can be the invalid?how about the knight's hurt sound being the same as noelle's shriek, only distorted?
>>739090670There's an unseen window directly into Rudy's room to the outside that he asks Kris to bring Berdly by and you can tell Berdly to come with you there.
>>739090229>>739090415Maybe I was right on the money, then. Rudy/Carol Knight is the new Kris Knight which means you're going to be spiritually correct.
>>739090358Carol is disguising her voice when talking about the Evil Plan because she knows You might be listening. She doesn't need to disguise her voice when she's calling Kris as Noelle's mother asking Kris perfectly innocent questions about their plans for tomorrow at 3 in the morning.Kris still called Carol on the Weird Route. Kris's phone history is still erased. There is a large unaccounted for period of time between our "date" with Noelle and Kris crashing out in the bathroom.It is clearly and obviously Carol on the phone and there is no reasonable argument against this.These minor discrepancies are not contradictions, they can easily be explained. Contrarians focus on these minor points as if they have just as much weight as the entire sequence of events before that, where Carol inexplicably comes home early and immediately takes the guitar off of Susie and checks to make sure the code is still inside, after Kris told the voice on the phone that Susie got the guitar after the voice had been telling Kris how important it was for Susie to not get the guitar and the voice said "I'll be right there" and Carol came home to solve the problem.It's not a fucking riddle, it's exactly what it looks like, open your mouth and let Toby spoonfeed you.
>>739090802Carol Knight doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Rudy Knight does.
>>739088887i mean listen to him! he's fixating on one piece of evidence about the phone and ignoring other pieces
>>739090358The argument is that Kris called her off-screen but there's no way Kris would know Susie has the guitar in the weird route.
>>739090363Huh...>Without... soul.... Kris... will....Yeah that actually is a really weird thing to say if you're directly talking to Kris.Has anyone considered the possibility the phone isn't actually talking to Kris? What if it's some bug that's been planted and Kris is using his phone to listen in on a conversation? Or Kris tapped a phone conversation and he's listening in on that? Since someone on one end is implied to be in the house (Asgore?) to tip them off about the guitar.It would also be another explanation for Carol still arriving in Weird Route if it wasn't actually Kris causing her to arrive.
>>739090841Rudy Knight has more evidence than Carol Knight, but it doesn't matter because it would just make the plot dookie.
>>739090415>>739090417>>739090512Rudy can't be The Knight because he's dying of cancer and can't even fucking stand anymore after going to church.The more you try to push this "HYPE MOMENTS AND AURA!!!" bullshit the more Reddit it gets.
>>739090873There is some speculation that Carol THINKS she is talking to (YOU) during the phone call, unaware that Kris has ripped you out of his body
>>739090880Actually, I think it would work quite well since everything is inevitably going to go back to whatever incident set this whole chain of events in motion, and Rudy was involved.
>>739090570>Seriously why the fuck does she want to fuck her sister so badly?Who doesn't?
>>739090802Rudy and Carol knight have nothing to do with each other. The fact you think so shows you haven't put any thought into it.
>>739090696You should try doing some more research like "using your eyes to compare the two images" and "judge that they are not the same"
>>739090605Gaster won, you lost.
>>739090918We have never been explicitly told what he's sick with. Making assumptions in a Toberto Foxeth story is never safe.
>>739090963If you just flip it a bit you will see the similarities.
>>739090852yawn >>739090816
>>739090925Think about it from a storytelling perspective
>>739090783anon he’s talking about the main fucking windows if he was the Knight why would he talk about the hidden window infront of Noelle and Kris
>>739090918He clearly can walk around if he tries. Him acting as the knight offers an explanation as to why he's so beat up.
>>739090570Everyone loves Dess
>>739091034Fuck off.
>>739091034Fuck in
>Doctor's still can't figure out what's wrong with Rudy>Hospital is always conveniently closed or blocked off when the Knight is active somewhere>Rudy being annoyed at Susie's presence if you introduce him to her the day after you fight The KnightRudy is clearly involved in the grand scheme of things, regardless of whether you think he's The Knight or not
>>739090923>Carol THINKS she is talking to (YOU) during the phone call, unaware that Kris has ripped you out of his bodyJust play the fucking game manit's not that longit's like 20 bucksjust play it
>>739091120You've literally just posted the evidence that we were talking about to begin with.Why would Carol "Without Soul Kris will" if she thinks she is talking to Kris?
>>739090993Kill yourself.>>739091041The explanation is that he's sick and dying.
>>739091034they hate it because it's possible and hard to properly argue against without resorting to emotional appeals
>>739090873A possible explanation is that since part of the conversation is cut off already, the full sentence would be something like>"Without the soul, Kris, you will die"etc
>>739072958>buying an episodic game that's incompleteI hope you queers are learning a lessondon't give money to efforts like thisthey have no incentive to finish in a timely manner
[THIS IS WHAT NOELLE KNIGHTFAGS ACTUALLY BELIEVE]
>>739091219in nip it's revealed it has something to do with the fountains, likely sealing them because only the soul seems to be able to do it
>>739091034I think it's very funny how you're trying to brainwash people into thinking that the only way Noelle can hold any weight on the story is if she's the Knight.
>>739091206That's not an explanation. Being weak in the light world doesn't mean you're the same in the dark world. In the light world all he had to do is move around, which he can do.
>>739091246>people changing their clothes is somehow impossible never mind the fact that we see noelle wearing something different in ch4, proving that she can and toby is willing to sprite it
>>739091218kill yourself
>>739091204You should try playing the game and considering the line in the context of the entire conversation instead of wasting your time making up stupid nonsense
is anyone gonna talk about the clear bat synergy with the knight or nah
>>739091246[this is what noelle hero fags actually believe]
>>739082321shut up glimmer nigger
>>739091218It doesn't make any goddamn sense, actually, because the Knight is exactly the same regardless of weird route.
>>739091284Not the argument, but it definitely raises the stakes.
>>739091287>That's not an explanation.It's the explanation.
Please do not engage with the Noelle Knighter. He admitted he doesn't believe in it, argues in bad faith, and only does it to troll. Move on and ignore.
>>739091336bat as in baseball bat or bat as in the animalif the latter, explain because that sounds interesting
>>739091110>HAHAHAHA it's just so crazy that you want to introduce your good friend to me while you visit me at the hospital HAHAHAHAgenuinely what's his problem
>>739091218new theory: knight points like that because she wants to FUCK kris so its obviously dess
I don't see the knight using ice attacks, niggers.Noelle would also have qualms about attacking her buddies.
IMPLICATIONS?!
>>739091246This is one of the funniest things of all. They're seriously implying that a dark robe and veil could be enough to give you the shapeshifting abilities of the Knight.
>>739078213The Deltarune/Undertale fanbase came from the Homestuck fanbase, which in turn evolved from members of the EarthBound fansite Starmen.net. Hardcore Toby Fox dickriders have over two decades of experience being completely up their own ass.
>>739091403former ERAM does have some vampire symbolism though
>>739091035>Hidden windowAs in, hidden from the player not out of any need but because of the perspective. And because you cannot see the window thanks to the perspective, it's conveniently brought up by Rudy so you, the player, can be made aware that there is a window in the room you cannot see.Which he mentions throwing something out of because one look at Rudy makes it easy to assume that he can't get out of bed and his only avenue of violence is to throw something at you from bed.Saying "he meant the front windows" is like me saying, "don't forget to open the door" and you leave my house, go on a 2 hour drive to go to my grandma's house and unlock her front door.
>>739091436that shit stream didn't mean anything for deltarune, it was just toby fucking around with everyone and stroking his own ego
>>739091436I love lolis. That's the implication.
>>739091419>make a new friend>hang out with them after school for the first time ever>immediately take them to go visit your uncle dying in the hospitalKris is a weird kid
>>739091423No you see anon, it makes perfect sense that Noelle has dark magic + fire magic(from the cut attacks) + ice magic + healing magic + sword magic + shapeshifting magic. It makes perfect sense for a single character to have all those abilities.
>>739091218live yourself
>>739091436Noelle's back is turned to hide the fact that she's actually a human
>>739091525You're drunk, anon. Go to bed.
>>739091539
>>739091525I also forgot about pacification magic, whoops, silly me.
>>739091423>I don't see the knight using ice attackswell,(the NoelleKnightfag doesn't talk about this because he's a schizophrenic retard)
>>739091525noelle is saving her fire potions because she might need them laterthat's why they're not used in the knight fight
>>739078374This nigga is pretty alright but he really should cut down the smarm to make his videos watchable.
>>739091318You should play the game so you'd know we literally don't hear the entire conversation, just the occasional word shown in >>739090252. If anything THAT is an explanation for the line as >>739091219 points out.
The #1 way to know that you actually are smarter and paying attention more than the unwashed masses of retards in these threads is being able to make their stupid bullshit arguments better than they can and still having complete confidence that you are right and they are wrong
>>739091593This can be explained with Noelle, but not in the way of NoelleKnight. There has already been a mention of a police sacrifice, we know Noelle can encase people with ice with Snowgrave, Carol seems pleased with the way things are going in the weird route, which is the route where Noelle learns Snowgrave. So, clearly, the plan is for Noelle to freeze Undyne, since Noelle is more willing to follow orders and is stronger in the weird route, Carol is pleased by it. Nothing about this implies NoelleKnight.
>>739091089Sneed
>>739090816>It's not a fucking riddle, it's exactly what it looks likeWhat's to prevent it from being revealed this is just how overheard phone conversations are depicted in the game regardless who is talking?
>>739091790This is quite possibly the worst line Toby has written in the game, the amount of damage it has done to the game's discussion is astonishing.
>>739091593This is weird route in real world implications, not Noelle Knight implications. Are you actually retarded?
>>739091708The idea you're pushing has exactly as much basis as saying "what if Carol isn't actually evil and she's saying "Kris, I support the POLICE, I can't SACRIFICE their budget at the town hall meeting NEXT WEEK'"Carol doesn't think she's talking to you. Carol is making a deliberate effort to obscure her role in the evil plan and prevent you from getting the guitar code. Carol is actively cooperating with Kris, which is why she is giving them instructions on how to carry out the evil plan, and she knows that they ripped out the SOUL which is why she's warning them that they need to put it back in before the next Dark World.all of this is easily observed by considering the whole context of events instead of taking a line out of context and making wild extrapolations from it alone. Use your fucking head.
>>739081872But G5 came out didn't it?
>>739091769
>>739091903there is no indication that the shadow crystals are depicting the weird route
I really, really need sex with this birdbrain.
>>739091472or. he’s just talking about the confirmed windows we can literally see because if the window was actually that important it would atLEAST be visible because we’ve seen windows from that prospective before.
>>739091790>but what if the game is lying to you?What if?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iURMluYM2U&t=50s
>>739091720Make another argument for your most hated theory now that you did Noelle Knight and FemKris. Maybe some sort of Knight has Kris’s soul argument.
>>739091846>The idea you're pushing has exactly as much basis as saying "what if Carol isn't actually evil and she's saying "Kris, I support the POLICE, I can't SACRIFICE their budget at the town hall meeting NEXT WEEK'"Ok so you're actually disregarding an explanation that would support what you were trying to argue then? You do understand that saying "Without soul, kris will..." is a weird thing to say to Kris? Why not say "Without soul, you will..."?
>>739092181Meant for >>739091936
>>739092036Remember when everyone was convinced that kris could only move at a zombie pace without us?
>>739092046>Maybe some sort of Knight has Kris’s soul argument."The Knight is actually some Dess and Kris amalgam" is an actual example of "theory that means something different to everyone who says it" which that one guy accuses mainstream Dess Knight theories ofI can't try to fairly represent it because I don't have a coherent image of it, it just fundamentally sucks ass
>>739092036>Cunningham is a fedora atheistMy opinion of him lowers...
>>739092284Fair enough even though I strongly believe it.
>>739092293He has a Tesla avatar, dude. If you hadn't made the connection by now the problem is on you to be honest.
>>739092012>They would at least be VISIBLEYeah the fucked up 3/4ths perspective.Meanwhile the game continues to make jokes and tell you outright that there are many many things that you cannot see that other characters can. Like the chapter 3 racing game. Or Kris's "shouting". Etcetera etcetera.Look at this image.
>>739091846>the first two things undertale does is make you think you're naming the player character and try and purposely train you wrong as a jokeDunno why people are so hostile to the idea that toby is in fact a subversive writer. It's what makes his games fun.
What's the right cup size for a girl like Noelle?
>>739092561Because people take it too far and go full retard with it. There's a reason why Gerson calls irony poison.
>>739090670He was already out of the hospital once that day. Seeing him walking about is apparently not that unheard of.
>>739092587Two cups of eggnog. She's a sweater enthusiast, therefore she's required to have sweater puppies.
>>739072958The chapter is literally complete just release it already, yes bug testing or some shit has to be done but they started back in April 1st, its nearing the end of May and no updates have been made what the fuck are they doing???
>>739092621Talking what's obviously a mystery set-up like what happened during the Holiday house segment of Chapter 4 and suggesting it should be treated as a mystery is hardly going full retard.
>>739090107If Kris didn't open the Cyber World fountain, why was he late?
>>739092763probably translation? toby's autistic about it
>>739092791This is kind of too many steps removed.He was late because he slept in.Why Toriel was late and why she waited 30 minutes after SHE is supposed to be at work to bring Kris to school is because she's an alcoholic.
Monster Kid is a girl, right? Why do people think she's a boy?
>>739089105It's not a mystery story. It's a story with a mystery in it, aka every story ever. The Knight's identity is not the entire plot of Deltarune, it's just one part of it.
>>739092884MK is a they/them like kris
>>739092884Because idolizing a firefighter/cop/hero is more boyish.In the end it isn't confirmed either way.And it isn't explained why they're Christian.But also are those two dating? They're always together. Why does a chud like him have such a cute gf?
>>739091034>Think about it from a storytelling perspectiveThis is why NoelleKnight is a terrible theory. The main reason, actually.
>>739078374This video completely falls apart if you don't view Deltarune as Toby masterfully and precisily crafting an entire cosmology in Deltarune with exact wordings and symbols and admit that he probably is slightly more impressionistic or improvisational with how he writes than that, which is tantamount to heresy in the "Deltarune theory community"
>>739092849Sleeping in does imply he got up to more that night than eating a pie.
So I've always heard "Rudy could never carry a resisting Undyne across Hometown" as reasoning against Rudyknight. However, doesn't this disprove literally everyone if we're assuming the knight can't use their knight powers in the light world? Like is there a single other character that could overpower someone who can bench press a car otherwise?
>>739088456Fuck taking the L, I'm doubling down, all in, money's on black shard baby
>>739091034>noelleknightfag isn't even trying to defend his theory anymore and has fully admitted it's illogical nonsense propped up by hype moments and aurasad but predictable
>>739093041Asgore, who funnily enough does qualify for the "large person can easily fit inside" hint with the closets.
>>739092991So fucking TRUE!
>>739092991>This video completely falls apart if you assume Toby is a chimp typing words on a keyboard with no thought or intent whatsoeverGet a real criticism or shut the fuck up. Opaque wordplay whose meaning becomes clear only after a big revelation is Toby's bread and butter.
>>739092884Monster Kid is the Girl theory?????
>>739092991Symbolism/cosmology in video games is meaningless. There's a youtuber called Max Derrat that goes through magic symbols in games, and it's clear that in some of his favorites (e.g. Silent Hill) the devs just added occult symbols from random reference books because it fits the atmosphere. Fans think about it too much.
>>739092991Some of it is shaky, sure, but, c'mon now. Some of the symbology like the large role that water plays is pretty obviously important
>>739093145That IS exactly what I meant!
>>739093041Rudy + Asgore could do it. In fact they are the only ones who could do it without magic. It's why Rudyknight holds any value at all.
>>739093251can you post this?
>>739093048>prophecy calls it a blacked knife >image clearly shows that kris' knife is white what did he mean by this?also susie's role is 'dark knight' at some point, does that mean susie is the knight?
>>739093131>Literally gives you some imagery and then explains it in a very plain, straightforward way that doesn't need a lot of mental gymnastics>20 years later have a literal retard explain to the audience that "blue roses are fake which makes them unnatural".
RUDY IS NOT THE FUCKIN KNIGHT LMAO
>>739093343Proof?
>>739093048I gotta say my least favorite part of Deltarune by some margin is the actual language of the prophecy. It feels like a first grader's attempt at poetry. It's so bad.
>>739093343He's the only candidate that logically makes senseNo, Dess is not valid as a casual player would have no idea who she is so she would not be a satisfying reveal
>>739093343but think about how epic and subversive it would be!it would be just like my marvels with the wisecracking villain who doesn't take anything seriously!1!
>>739093282Is that what you got from it? In its totality? That's very funny.
>>739093396>The casual player would have no idea who Dess isLol.
>>739093396>a casual player would have no idea who sheLol, lmao. You're forced to hear about Dess in both chapter 2 (when Noelle talks about how Dess said she was going to take her to the city) and chapter 3 (when Tenna talks about Dess before you play Raise Up Your Bat)
>>739093396if they didn’t play chapter 2 or 4 maybe
>>739093207>Some of the symbology like the large role that water plays is pretty obviously importantSure. But the usage of symbols is probably more shaky or less 1:1 than most people assume, I think mapping everything out austistically is only gonna lead to dubious results at best.
>>739093490 (me)Not to mention the mandatory sequence in chapter 4 dedicated to rooting around Dess's room while the narrator says "WOW LOOK! DESS'S STUFF!"
>>739093450>>739093490>"Oh my science, the big bad was that one character who's name I heard once in chapters 2 and 3 and know nothing else about?? BRAVO NOLAN"
>>739093540>no argumentI accept your concession.
>>739093435Yes. Having some weird visual code shown to you up-front and having a scene afterwards where they literally explain all of it piece by piece is a great way to communicate, "the visual language is actually extremely straightforward."And leaving the most obvious part out because you think your audience would know a 2000 year old narrative shorthand for "things that aren't natural" is funny enough when you realize 20 years later you have to explain it.
>>739093540Asriel was only named right before his reveal.
you didn’t play chapter 4
It can't be repeated enough. The most stubborn theoryfags literally DO NOT PLAY THE GAME. That's why they routinely get basic facts wrong and leap to such retarded assumptions. They have no idea what they're talking about.
>>739093580asriel is also flowey, a constant presence in the game
>>739092587DD AT LEAST. slut's one of the only toby characters to have visible breasts in her overworld sprite
>>739093637Bro, there are years in between chapter releases. Normal players don't memorize every line in the game on repeat.
>>739093703This will never be true no matter how many times you post it. Those are too low to be breasts.
>>739093540The point being she's mentioned almost to an excess to ensure that you remember she exists and that she haunts the narrative.
>>739092621>Toby's mouthpiece character says irony is poison>Toby is still besties with Andrew Hussie, a man who deliberately torpedoed his own story (and then life) because irony
>>739093576Then why doesn't he explain the blue rose? Why does he say he can't? Lynch's entire film language has the characteristics of avoiding symbols that have an easy allegorical translation (a characteristic he shares with a good chunk of the arthouse filmmaking canon). The blue rose scene is telling you that you're about to enter a place where the meaning of symbols break down, it's telling the audience that they are not here to solve a mystery. I would agree with you that the visual language is straightforward but it is so from an intuitive and emotional standpoint, not from a logical one.
>>739093271What happens to the knife when stuck into the ground? Also it's not a knife that the Knight we see wields, that's for sure
Today I will remind them
>>739093580His reveal as the final boss? We had an entire backstory explained to us by the monsters beforehand.Honestly the whole "casuals don't know who Dess is" argument is funny. It was originally the defense for why Dessknight isn't too obvious. But now there's an argument that it would be bad to reveal the knight as a character casuals don't know, so suddenly we're acknowledging that casuals probably do know who Dess is now.
>>739093757Dess' presence and overall value to the plot are both wildly overblown and only exist in their current form for epic theorycrafters to have something to point towards so they can say "look at how I unraveled le tricky tony's epic secrets of deltarune! my years of theorycrafting haven't been wasted!"If you stop for a second and consider what would make for a satisfying story to a casual play Dess knight makes quite literally zero sense
>>739093924toby sama...we're dying out here...
>>739092587C cup at best, Noelle is a petite doe girl at heart. The big boob genes went straight to Dess.
Solving a mystery using symbolism is so damn gay. Reminds me of pic related. It's a series of nonsense moon-logic puzzles that require the reader to read the author's mind.
>>739094028dess is a planknoelle is a proper cow
>>739091034
All this talk about the knights identity when we already know it's Dess LMAO
>>739093976>Dess' presence and overall value to the plot are both wildly overblownUnlike Noelle's dad dying of AIDS, who you can play through the entire game without ever learning his name
>>739094038>The Knight has antlers and a baseball bat>Noelle's conspicuously missing sister has antlers and a baseball batHOW WERE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW???
noelle/kris knight = people are bored and trying to stir shit upcarol knight = highly doubt itrudy knight = possible but probably not dess knight = yes
>SusieB-C cup>NoelleDD or larger>DessA cup>F!KrisEither non-existent or gargantuan hidden behind hammerspace sweaterAny questions?
>>739094491Using this as evidence to solve a proper mystery would turn you into a laughing stock. It only works in Deltarune because the symbolism is overwhelming and only favors one character.
>>739094524What about Kris?
>>739094524What about Carol. Are they still young and firm or old and saggy
>>739093282>>739093576oh no he's an idiot...
>>739094565>this evidence that is overwhelmingly clear to 99% of people doesn't mean the arbitrary standard of proof that exists in my head
>>739093976It is overblown. But at the same time, Dess is unmistakably woven into the story. The question of "what happened to Dess" is a driving motivation for all of the relevant cast members. You have segments on the main path of the story where you are forced to come to terms with the fact that Noelle had an older sister who is now gone and nobody knows where.You cannot simply say "Nobody knows about Dess except hardcore fans". It's just straight up a lie.
look man you can't just make assumptions that the story has deliberately led you to believe, like "the character whose mind palace is full of homoerotic half-naked buff dudes is gay."Toby would never write something like that, as we all know that Deltarune is a Proper Mystery inspired by the works of Agatha Christie and not a bunch of obscure JRPGs
>>739094618WHAT PART OF THIS FUCKER LOOKS YOUNG?
>>739094901Kanji isn't gay, though.
>>739094963This is about Dr. Andonuts in Toby's Earthbound hack
>>739091034How does Noelle Knight do it? What are they afraid of?
>>739095826holy crap... what an EPIC trolle!this is gonna get SO many updoots!
>>739095904You are LIVID.
>>739094513>carol knight = highly doubt it>dess knight = yesthe lowest IQ participants in the knight discourse thinks like this btw
