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why is gta san andreas the one that people latched onto?
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Because it's good, next question.
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>>739074739
Everyone latched onto V, SA is only beloved by 35+yo uncs
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most feature complete and funniest/most quotable
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>>739074739
Normies
Vice city is the first one to have soul
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>>739074739
It had a metric fuck ton of things to do.
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>>739074739
It's very relatable to third worlders. By far the most popular GTA game here in Brazil.
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>>739074950
for a while sure but theres been a renaissance
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>Why is the one entry focusing on black people the most prominently displayed in all mainstream media

Hmmm, I (((wonder)))...
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>>739074739
1. It sold the most of the PS2 games - 21.5 Million Sales.
2. Heavily moddable.
3. Poor thirides were playing the PS2 version and pirating the PC version well into the late 00's and beyond.
4. An online scene that is still alive to this day.
5. The main storyline's characters are all exaggerated chariactures and easy to remember.
6. Three god damn cities to work with plus smaller locations between them and tons of activities.
7. Story and setting are very meme-able and easy to joke about.

Why not 4?
>online scene died
>slow realistic car handling which turned people off (SA and V have the same arcade style handling)
>just one city
>poor PC port and was too hard for thirdies to run

Why not V?
>GTA Online has completely over shadowed the main game
>main storyline and game is pretty bland and ho-hum
>world consists of Los Santos and... mountains.

I'm gonna say perfect fucking storm.
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Brazillians have kept this game alive. Half the modding scene is Brazil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNKlsoM6A98
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>>739074739
because it was , and still still is, an extremely good and fun game. almost every aspect of it is top notch especially for the time and it was one hell of a jump from GTA vice city.
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>>739074739
It's just the best one
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>>739075538
>almost every aspect of it is top notch especially for the time
This is how you know nostalgia and time have clouded people's minds because GTA SA did a lot of things, but it never did any of them well. It's no different than Skyrim.
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san andreas was qualityslop; people only liked it because it was good
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>>739075731
Trvth nvke
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>>739075276
Doesn't GTA Online count as GTA V's online scene which you used as a plus for SA?
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>>739074739
It's the last one
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>>739074739
Gameplay wise it has the most bells and whistles of the 3D era and it also has the most light hearted and over the top tone of the 3D era.
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>>739074739
People say VC is a better game because it's a leaner experience, but most of the gameplay aspects from the shooting to the mission design are way less polished than in SA. I do agree it has a better atmosphere and soundtrack, but those are subjective.
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>>739074739
Incredibly strong start
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>>739076072
>cutscene
>bike ride
>missions that are just tutorials like getting a fucking haircut
Real strong
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>>739075146
you got that impression only because the internet becomes increasingly more brown with every passing day
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>>739074739
>Map is huge
>Multiplayer is fun
>Tons of stuff to do
>Plenty of mods
>Great Music
>Comfy as fuck
>Nostalgia
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>>739075731
true
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>>739074739
the map is top notch and is still unmatched today
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GTA SA resonates with people because it was so expansive. Varied map with several distinct cities + country side, tons of guns including unique ones like miniguns and flamethrowers, tons of vehicles of every variety (not just cars but planes, helicopters, bicycles, plus unique ones like monster trucks and hovercrafts), tons of customization through clothing and hair styles, things like being able to get fat and learn different martial arts styles, etc. It was just the absolute peak of that HD GTA era.
GTA IV had the new physics engine but was too limited in scope. GTA V lost the magic sauce and got overshadowed by online. Had there been a GTA 4.5 that was basically San Andreas but on the new engine I think that would have been the most well remembered GTA instead.
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>>739075850
its pretty divorced from the main game
a lot of online players cant even name the protags
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>>739076779
no one can name v protags except trevor because he's le angry guy
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>>739076306
I'll take those over the literal movie of a prologue RDR2 made me sit through
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>>739074739
vice city was the big one in my friend group

although thinking back we didn't have any black friends so that might explain that
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>>739074739
Do you know how many blacks play GTA?
Now what is the most distinct form/setting of black crime other than current day Miami (which is where 6 will be)? Mainly, a place that isn't just an urban city like Chicago since 4 already had New York? Yeah San Andreas added more new mechanics, had celebrity voice actors that matched what a 90's crime move set in LA would be, and also focuses on characters that Blacks would care about and relate to which is probably the audience most hyped for GTA.
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>>739074739
basically pic related
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>>739074739
the stats system imo
even the boxing ring shit.
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>>739074739
sou overload
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>>739075276
>Why not 4?
You forgot that you're playing as a slav. Who the fuck wants to play as a slav?
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>>739074739
>best controls of 3d era
>best and biggest map of 3d era
>best and longest story of 3d era
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>>739074739
memes
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>>739074739
it succeeds as a video game: its fun. This is a very hard concept to understand for modern developers.
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>>739074739
it had SOVL, something that is completely missing in modern games
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>>739074739
It's probably one of the most sovlfvll open word games out there. Just driving around, listening to the radio is somehow a extremely fun experience in it
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>>739074739
The setting was peak USA, before the patriot act, forever war, woke dystopia it morphed into a quarter century later. It was also the last GTA that was happy to be a video game ass video game, not an interactive movie stapled to a micro transaction storefront.
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>>739076730
>the absolute peak of that HD GTA era

>>739078836
>best and biggest map of 3d era

Why are you implying anything from other era was better?
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>>739074739
that dank early 90s hood aesthetic became popular
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>>739081604
The HDA era is better on the gameplay front than the 3D games, and there is no argument against that.
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>>739074739
Bigger gameplay and mechanics than all the other ones
>GTA VI is the first AAAAA game
>Cant even customize the protagonists
What a joke.
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Won't forget the time my dad bought this game for me when they went out to eat. Had it sitting on my ps2. I was so stoked.

I guess it was the 90s gangsta rap influence of the whole thing that spoke to a generation that grew up on rappers like Tupac, biggie, wu tang, et. So, that whole thing was shown in the game, references to movies like Boyz in the hood, and had a lot of other references that we understood. Plus, it was a huge change from gta 3, and having things like being able to "tune" carcarss like imports and low riders were a straight reference to that time. It had more of a fun factor that wasnt there in other games. I could say more but im going blank here. And liked the celebs doing voices, Samuel l.jackson was great playing that corrupt cop
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>>739074739
>WHERE'S HERNANDEZ WITH THAT FUCKING MEAT?
>HE'S BEEN GONE TOO LONG TENPENNY.
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>>739074739
Because it squeezed digital blood out of the rock that was the GTA3 engine, and because it was a massive game with tons of content and "virtual life" larping systems.

Vice City is a really cool depiction of a time period, but the game is literally a reskin of GTA3 + motorcycles.
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2, 3, VC and SA were all very popular. Rockstar pivoted after that and they lost a lot of fans of those games with IV. They also gained a ton of new ones but there is a clear difference between everything after SA
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>>739082565
That's who I forgot, David cross as the rc nerd, and that fucking plane mission thar pissed a whole gen of kids off. That shit was harder than it should been but finishing that mission was such a relief.
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>>739074739
I talked like a black person for at least a year or 2 after playing this game back in the day.
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>>739082746
>vice city
Haha, man, I remember playing that game and my dad walking in because of the music.
>I like you listening to this than all that screaming stuff
And told me stories about the 80s, it was a pretty kino moment. Was amused one day because I was playing it and singing "the outfield" out loud.

I JUST WANNA USE YOUR LOVE, TONIIGHT
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>>739082870
>but there is a clear difference between everything after SA
Except GTA V is extremely SA-code, and that's why the game is so fucking weak. All of the strengths of IV are lost on SA's retarded fans.
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Love Fist is the best band ever
https://youtu.be/-BviIRSJIuc?si=oknrrdnJfEJ-IA9Q
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>>739083198
>not a single likeable character
Sure mate.
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Because you could fly through the sky on a quadbike, listening to country radio, as god intended.
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I still say this, the dj on radio x sounded just like Christy Micheal on 96x(a local alt rock radio station growing up). I actually thought it was her at first because the voice is so similar to hers. That raspy, genx, "I dont give a fuck" kind of attitude. Maybe that's what they were going for, the typical, generic, slacker, 90s rock radio dj.
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>>739083198
I'll tell you when GTA IV lost me.

In SA there are these trucks, the kind with a platform on the back to hold a car I assume. As they don't have a car the platform is down. This means whenever you see this truck, you are looking at a free driving ramp. Are you gonna drive up the ramp? You're not gonna not drive up the ramp.

In GTA IV the same vehicle exists, with an updated model, but there's one key difference. You cannot drive up the ramp. You just crash into the back of it. That's when GTA IV lost me.

San Andreas proceeded to lose me later however when I went back and realised it could only maintain like 8 cars at once.

I didn't get 5 I fucked around in it a bit hanging out with stoner friends but that's about it.
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>>739074950
So the majority of players, then.
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>>739083582
Gta online was fun, me and an old buddy used to play it for an ungodly amount of hours. We practically lived on that game, doing missions, fucking around, racing each other, going around getting kills with the both of us. It was a damn good time, until it got too shitty.

What gta 6 online will bring? I have no idea, but we'll know soon enough.
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>>739074739
why do you guys like it? literally everyone is black
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>>739083947
we are all /v/lack here
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>>739083684
That diagram saying that 48% percent of gamers are "women" immediately invalidates that shit.
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>>739083759
I'd get his ass with that flying bike too, just creep up on him, hovering, he had no idea, then BOOM. Id soar off giggling like an idiot. We'd do missions, and park our cars in front of the glowing circle just to fuck with people.
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>>739075146
>a renaissance
Today I will remind them.
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>>739084442
i miss christine
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>>739084442
Undefinitive edition is train wreck kino.
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>>739074739
it's fun, simple as
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>>739075369
>5000+ fixes
there's definitely some shenanigans going on there
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Gen Y is a bunch of nigger lovers
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>>739074739
Because out of all the 3D PS2 GTAs it was the one with the most fun open world and side activities and wasn't mostly carried by the novelty of being an open world game like 3 and VC.
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>>739083198
GTA4 sucks and has zero strengths aside from "people fall down funny".
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>>739087414
This, except for better core gameplay, which in turn means better missions, better radio, better characters, better atmosphere, and better setting across four different games.
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>>739087414
>guns
>melee
>driving
>AI
>vehicle destruction
>better map with less filler areas
>missions
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>>739074739
Good game, duh
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>>739074739
Because it's the best one
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none of you newfags remember but there was a time on /v/ where if you said you didint like gta sa everyone thought you were a poor effort troll
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>the ultimate autism mods

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjCd4HiNMh9ldHsFI4199zLm_AAkJmFGY
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>>739074739
They played it as a kid and it was at the height of "niggerfication" culture so they love all the black stuff in it
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SA Catalina should have been her own character imo. She's nothign like the cold calculated Catalina from GTAIII. Not only that, they're ltierally different ethnicities, skin tones, and have different faces.

III she's "latina", but near full blooded european. In SA she's pretty much indian.
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>>739074739
because it outsold all the other PS2 gta's combined. so it's the one most people played.
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>>739087893
“Good game, duh” is such a cope non-answer lmao.

You can’t just handwave it when IV unironically clears SA on every mechanical level.
SA is fun sandbox junk food, sure. But IV actually feels like a world instead of a cartoon map stitched together with countryside filler and empty desert.

>guns
actually have weight
>driving
feels like you’re piloting a 2 ton death machine instead of a mario kart
>AI
NPCs react like humans instead of PS2 mannequins
>missions
aren’t just “drive here, shoot 40 guys, leave”

SA is nostalgia crack and you know it. If you played it at 25 instead of 12 you wouldn’t be glazing it this hard.
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>>739088854
if anything it dumps pretty hard on nigger culture.
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>>739090431
IV created actually realistic car driving physics, and it turns out everyone hated it. V has car physics much closer to SA for a reason.
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>>739082565
mine called me a nigger lover and refused to buy it for me
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>>739091269
IV's was just too high brow for the SA audience.
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>>739082746
>digital blood out of the rock that was the GTA3 engine
it used the renderware engine, just like gta 3 and vice city
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Imagine the absolute mental retardation you need to have to try to claim GTA4 has good missions.
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>>739074950
no sa is for zoomies or whatever @ <30 vc is unc-core
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>>739075946
driving is better in vc too, they started the boatish driving in sa that 4 went full retard with. though sa does have the cool motorcycles which compensates a bit.

shooting is still pretty crap in sa and more wonky with ai damage
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>>739083684
>Women are 49% of all gaymers
KEK come on now, 20% max
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>>739086476
>doesn't know how broken the pc port is and how autistic these modders are
That car wreck model 3 feet to the right on pc? That needs a fixin'
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>>739087830
zoom zoom
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lot of the underage fags don't remember how hyped this was. it truly squeezed EVERY last drop out of the PS2 and it was obvious. 3 was an insane thing to pull off. then vice city improved on that. then the hype for SA was even bigger, and the trailer comes out and lives up to it. they were airing this full 1 minute trailer on monday night football in primetime, it was unheard of for vidya then


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ND48tILz5I
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It does a lot the rest of the series doesn't, and not just in a things to do sense.
The map isn't that big but there were design choices that made it feel massive. The way the story gradually leads you around the map makes it feel like more of a journey than any other GTA. It even ends with the classic hero's journey homecoming. The player character actually has a home for the player to anchor themself to, not just a safehouse that gets abandoned by the second act. V tried this too, but it didn't work as well. Trevor's home gets abandoned for a safe house early on, Franklin's aunt's house had potential but it was abandoned for a house where nothing ever happens in a neighborhood nobody that's completely detached from any of the characters lives, and Michael's home is purely superficial up until his exile, which is over before players even have a chance to get homesick. The gang aspect also contributed to the sense of home. This is your fraternal, and literal family you're living among and fighting for. Can San Andreas has subjectively more interesting and memorable characters. It has more callbacks to previous games, which gave it nostalgia points back then
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>>739091904
it's much easier to argue that a GTA has shit missions, than good ones
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>>739091904
This, but GTA SA, which is GTA with the most amount of THAT MISSION. So many of GTA SA's missions sucked because of how jank the gameplay was. Plus, SA made the cardinal sin of having players grind out the lung capacity to make the story progress. That shit was wack and has no place in a series like GTA.
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>>739074739
It's the best one.
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>>739074739
Americans love black people
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>>739088568
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It has the best radio stations in the whole series. Something for everyone.
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>>739087830
>better map with less filler areas
The entirety of 4's map is filler because there's nothing in it, because they cut like half the activities that SA had, with the map being nothing but city.
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>>739093275
>The entirety of 4's map is filler because there's nothing in it, because they cut like half the activities that SA had, with the map being nothing but city.
Anon, they had four titles across the 2008-era of Liberty City: IV, TLATD, TBOGT, and Chinatown Wars. They used the entire buffalo, which isn't true for SA as the vast majority of the map outside of the three major cities is filler. Even Los Santos City itself is massively underused.
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>>739093814
>they had four titles across the 2008-era of Liberty City: IV, TLATD, TBOGT, and Chinatown Wars.
How is that relevant when talking about 4???
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>>739093897
Even if I took out all the other games, 4 still makes more use out of its map than SA did for its map.
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>>739074739
>perfect music
>90s LA aesthetic
>really good voice acting
>compact map
>visually appealing
>funny
there's a lot more but i'm tired as hell
I won't say it's a perfect game (shooting is kind of ass, but acceptable for the time), but it's damn close
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>>739074739
it had the most sovl
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>>739092491
I was alive as GTA1 and 2 came out
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gta shit andreas more like
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>>739074739
I haven't played it but I'd like to someday. If I were to guess, it's not just "sovl", but I think it's because of it feeling more "real"? GTAV and onward felt like it's made by millenials who live more comfortable, priveleged lifestyles by comparison.
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>>739094893
V's Los Santos is the most generic city ever, could be any major city, and lacks any kind of theme.
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CJ's actually pretty funny.
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did definitive edition do anything right? Like anything?
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>>739092448
if you include casual or mobile games you're definitely higher than 20%
that said a near even split is suspicious as hell kek
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>>739094950
Oh, 100%. San Andreas has a more grungy dirty feel to it, gives it it's own identity, as someone who lives in SoCal myself, it often reminds me of areas in Santa Ana where I grew up as a kid.
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>>739095157
it was a jeetmaster.
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>>739074739
>PS2 was the best selling console of all time and available almost everywhere
>even 3rd-worlder poorfags can play it
>gta san andreas also just happen to be ahead of its time for being a ps2 game
And so, poorfags latched onto it for their entire life, like those CJ/Big Smoke/Ryder modders.
In normie space, you could guess someone is a 3rd worlder poorfag if they saying GTA San Andreas is the best GTA ever than the ones released after it.
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It just added so much shit compared to VC it's unreal. And then 4 has LESS shit. And while 5 has some more shit than SA, SA still features things 5 couldn't pull off.
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>>739090431
>aren't just "drive here, shoot 40 guys, leave"
Yeah, they're "drive here, shoot up to 40 guys, leave"
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>>739094893
SA was only 10 years removed from its setting but it feels simultaneously like a stylised fantasy setting but also relateable. GTA5 is just today.

The different gameplay mechanics also change how you engage with the world. SA using the classic mechanics, property buying system and turf wars means you really get to know the world as you need to know where you can save, where you can get weapon/armour spawns and such. Saving anywhere in 5, having effectively no properties to buy (there's only like 5-6 in the game and you can't afford to buy them during the story anyway), keeping weapons on death etc. take you out of the world itself. There's no reason to really get to know some random neighbourhood or rural town like in SA.
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>>739096120
devs need to learn today is boring. I want the 60s, or 70s, or some shit. Anything pre-cell phones is ideal.
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>>739074739
It's easily the most overrated GTA game
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>>739074739
you didn't drown when you touched the water

and, unlike gta 4, driving didn't feel miserable
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it spreads itself a bit thin - effectively the entire plot ends after Los Santos, you go on side quests, and it doesn't start again until the end mission. You spend a fair bit of time in san Fierro, but man Las Venturas is like a few missions and then that's it! Man, what a gyp.

Wish we got "San Fierro Stories" and "Las Venturas Stories" as well.
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>>739074739
It was full of soule
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>>739096639
>and, unlike gta 4, driving didn't feel miserable

it's realistic. I think the way to fix it is to just add different car tyre types:

>sports tyres
>hard racing tyres
>medium racing tyres
>soft racing tyres
>off-road tyres
>etc

The thing is that in SA you have insane amounts of grip, whereas 4 aimed for realism. Adding different tyre type upgrades would be a middle ground.
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>>739089925
>III she's "latina", but near full blooded european
you're fucking retarded. why do whites feel the need to talk about other ethnicities with any authority? have you ever heard of tanning, you dumb faggot?
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>>739074739
Catalina raped CJ
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>>739096715
>it's realistic.
not really.
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>>739096754
Men can't be raped by women
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>>739095157
it made me laugh
someone post the webm of the car getting wider as it swerves left and right
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>>739074739
Not sure. I always just loved the Los Santos parts. And the airbase parts. San Fiero and Las Venturas completely killed the game for me.
Vice City on the other hand is great from start to finish.
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>>739097452
I loved Las Venturas, and if anytying the entire storyline is too compressed. Might as well been its own game at that point.
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>>739074739
If I was black id prob love it, but im not and I find black culture retarded
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>>739097712
game thinks black culture is retarded as well. CJ's whole journey is to move away from it.
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>>739097452
>Vice City on the other hand is great from start to finish.

San Andreas suddenly becomes a Vice City sequel out of nowhere for the last 1/3rd of the game. It was fun to see the gang all together again, including the whiny Ken Rosenberg, and confirmation that Tommy Vercetti is still alive and successful by 1993. That's 9 freaking years after the events of Vice City.
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>>739097712
Then you'd love GTA:SA.
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>>739097712
someone post the STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON comic
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>you are 12
>you wish your city was in gta
>you wish in the next gta you will be able to enter every building
>you think every other game can be put inside gta
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>>739074739
>people played it when they were a lot younger
>the scope of it was fucking insane for the era
>ran on a PS2 while being that massive and explorable and filled with impressive touches
>pretty good atmosphere, the weather effects were nice and varied, overall the game was graphically good enough
>well known music
>fully voiced
>contemporary game that didn't feel "fake" or forced
>again, the amount of content was huge

It speaks for itself really, you can still pick it up and have fun today.
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shitdreas more like
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I always wanted III-VC ported to the SA version of the engine to get the benefits from it.
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grand shit auto
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>>739074739
It's the last good GTA, period.
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>>739074739
>why did the nigger protag become so popular in the franchise made to appeal to niggers
Who knows?
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>>739074739
They didn't.
Everybody loved 3 and VC. SA was also popular and is probably overrepresented because it was the newest one and new people tend to buy the latest. Plus if you're gonna mod you'll also mod for the newest one. It also had some cool gameplay upgrades but those aren't the main reason.
That's it.
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>release the most ambitious game of the generation, GTA SA
>not even a month later release GTA Advance and Red Dead Revolver
>The following year comes Midnight Club 3, The Warriors and GTA Liberty City Stories
We truly didn't know how good we had it, Rockstar was on a generational run
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>>739090431
>aren’t just “drive here, shoot 40 guys, leave”
Nigger are you joking that is literally 90% of GTA IV missions
You talk about GTA IV actually being a "world" when it was all buildings with nothing in them
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>>739104535
SA got huge casue of the era it represented. Most of the players ahd grown up in the late 90s, so the hood-nigga asthetic was still fresh and familiar. Vice City was pure 80s, so it missed the 13yo demographic of the 2002, and thus didn't carry the same gnerational impact. VC was damn good game, but SA was genre defining.
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>>739074943
The thread ended here and yet it kept going for 150 more posts.
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>>739074739
Hollywood and LA have a stranglehold on the world's mass media, thus promoted it got promoted far more than the other two. Hence the decision to head back there immediately after 4.
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>>739075176
On black people being criminals*
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>>739074739
>PAY THE WOMAN YOU FAT FUCK!
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>>739074739
90% of people only play the first few hours (of any game) and then forget about it... if they remember they repeat the first few hours and forget about it again
GTA SA had the best beginning of all GTA games, best comfy neighborhood in which you could fuck around: try that in GTA3 and you'll get shot... Vice City is sparse... GTA4 is depressing... even though all three games remain more consistent overall
also by the time it came out people realized it was sort of a golden age

>>739075030
Vice City suffers from the same problems people complain "cinematic games" suffer from

>>739075057
exactly
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>>739074739
Timing and general availability
And you play as someone who looks like thug instead of a redditor
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>>739106898
the people want more games like GTA SA
>no religious bullshit
>doesn't patronize the player
>made by people who were there, not talking out of their ass
>went the extra mile, put soul in it
>second sequel to enormously successful GTA3 and VC yet the devs didn't grow lazy or complacent
>didn't give a shit about political correctness
>didn't sacrifice gameplay for story
>driving and controls became better (unlike other series like AC where controls get shittier with every sequel after AC1/2)
>bmx bikes
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>>739090431
>this whole post
People who grew up with IV are the most delusional of all GTA fans.
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>>739074739
>why is gta san andreas the one that people latched onto?
Had "usable" cars. In GTA III you bumped it twice and caught fire. In Vice City it didn't, but it was enough to catch a few bullets and it caught fire if not outright exploded. That's great, I liked it, but it also meant you had to think and stuff. In San Andreas you can just get in a car and smash through everything...
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>>739074943
fpbp
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>>739109419
The IV cult on /v/ is completely astroturfed, no one gave a shit about it after V came out until a couple of ecelebs made videos about it
This board cries a lot about movie games but then glazes the GTA games that fits the "movie game" description the best
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>>739096734
>have you ever heard of tanning
lol I genuinely believe anglos can’t comprehend what a tan is and judge race entirely by skin color while ignoring facial features
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best humor
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>>739074739
Childhood nostalgia
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>>739111184
i agree
GTA IV is the RDR2 of computer games
>dude u serve this unabashedly bad guy... and that's the game lol
in previous GTA games and RDR at least you were serving your own ass
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>>739111184
Yeah it's a couple of retards who think that pretending to like GTA4 because it has a "dark" story makes them intelligent.
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>>739100757
for u anon
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Why do white supremacists unironically love GTA SA and black community?
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>>739074739
Loquendo
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>>739111872
because if they are not crack addicts or brain-washed by leftists (leftists eh?) they are the most sincere guys who also love life while not being disrespectful to spiritual things
sorry for sincereposting
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>>739074739
I prefer Saints Row 2.
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>>739074739
memorable beginning
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>>739111872
>Grove Street is fighting against all odds with rival gangs and the law enforcement ie the ZoG
>Family values: defending your tribe
>No drug trade
>CJ's whole story arc is to become self sufficient without government handouts and stay as self sufficient.
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>>739105680
I mis having so much shit to look forward too. we really were spiled back then.
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>>739074739
Because it still hasn't been topped.
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>>739091735
Yes, but 3 and VC had loading screens that interrupted the flow all the time, just travelling across the cities. That San Andreas managed to be richer and larger than those two games *and* do it without pause, was astonishing.
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>>739105680
>The Warriors
man I need to try that again
for anyone wanting to play (emulate): leave the heckin FPS locked at 30 because otherwise the character can't jump far enough to finish even the first mission...
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>be poorfag
>get an used copy for my birthday
>disc is fucked so entering certain cars or hearing certain songs makes it freeze up
>learn what cars and radio stations to avoid and have endless fun anyway
kino
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>>739112550
you're lucky they didn't make NPC cars play random radio stations out of their cars lol
I remember in GTA3 if you walked beside a dude with headphones, you could hear sounds coming out of it, just like IRL
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>>739074943
/thread
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>>739095178
>if you include casual or mobile games
Then that isn't my or your definition of gamer and it's a meaningless chart for marketing you NIGGERLORD
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>>739092448
>KEK come on now, 20% max
you obviously didn't meet the ladies playing solitaire and bejeweled
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>>739074950
I'm 33 and I love it.
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>>739114307
Sorry to break it to you but you're an unc.
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>>739114578
But you said only 35+yo uncs love it...I'm not 35+.
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>>739112236
>self sufficient
Through literally crime and murder you dumb nigger.
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>>739114307
>>739114652
Sadly, it turns out you didn't actually enjoy it. You just tricked yourself into thinking you were having fun. You'll understand when you're older.
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>>739114714
All we had to do was follow the damn train CJ
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>>739082870
>>739083198
quite sus that they didn't double down on the biker DLC of gta iv, as that was arguably the most popular aspect of it (they were obviously fishing around releasing a gay dlc and biker dlc)
yet still we have zero decent biker games, while apparently being rockstar's domain, while the biker domain slowly died out together with freemasonry
THAT would be a game... yet they pussied out with gta V making a game nobody wanted or liked
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>>739074739
Because it's the only game that's also a documentary.
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>>739114790
Sounds like you're just backpedaling because you were wrong. I'll accept your concession anyway.
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>>739075369
uma delicia
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>>739074739
It was the apex of Rockstar's approach of scope and gameplay. Everything went downhill from there as they became obsessed with production values, culminating in GTA V, the most expansive and technically impressive insomnia treatment ever developed.
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>>739074739
It was the biggest.
Introduced a fuckton of features from food to weight lifting to gang wars.
First game to shed some of the stupid limitations of GTA3 (you can actually swim, increasing traversal massively)
Fixed the targeting, even though it made it very easy.
Playing as 90s gang bangers was novel at the time.
Varied soundtrack.
Characters are all memorable.
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>>739074739
>the one
All 3D era (]|[, VC, SA) GTA games are well-liked, tho
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>>739105680
>Red Dead Revolver
Predated SA by months, zoom zoom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dead_Revolver
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>>739074739
Most immersive, most RPG-like.
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>>739074739
Because it was on the most era-defining console, the PS2, and it came out by the time that people had actually gotten PS2s, unlike GTA3.
Vice City was also popular for this reason, but San Andreas is also objectively better than both of those games.
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>>739116828
Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, and Vice City Stories, sure, but not III. From what I remember way in past most people would either dislike or have 0 interest in GTAIII because it was blandest and most unpolished, especially after Saints Row and GTA San Andreas came out, which were vastly superior and had much more interesting tone.
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>>739092448
Wait to you realize what percentage of /v/ is women.
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>>739117119
>From what I remember way in past most people would either dislike or have 0 interest in GTAIII because it was blandest and most unpolished, especially after Saints Row and GTA San Andreas came out
Maybe you should judge before those came out, because GTA3 was a phenomenon circa 2001/2. To deny that is a sign you're a zoomer.
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>>739117026
>and it came out by the time that people had actually gotten PS2s, unlike GTA3
Ok seriously where the fuck is this revisionism coming from?

GTA3 was fucking huge, and it came out in 2001, the year the PS2 had massive exclusive after massive exclusive. It was the year that, despite the launch of the Xbox and Gamecube, the PS2 guaranteed its victory in the sixth gen.
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>>739117778
>muh zoomers
Cry to your mom about it. I grew up with 90s and 2000s games and I can tell with straight face that III always was the most forgettable one of whole bunch because it was nothing more than a shitty testbed. All entries that came afterwards outshined it.
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>>739116579
I was neither the guy you were talking to, nor was I being serious. Your inability to recognize humor has been noted, and tallied on your autism chart.
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Do black people in real life actually speak like the black people in this game? I never met one as I live in a rural area in Europe.
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>>739118721
And I actually grew up when GTA3 was new, zoomnigger, and by 2002 everyone with a PS2 was playing it, which in turn led to a massive hype train for Vice City, whose success led to the hype for San Andreas.

You thinking GTA3 was forgettable doesn't negate the millions of people who enjoyed it. It's the bedrock for Rockstar turning into a AAA dev.
>>739118841
For the most part, yes, the lingo and speech is accurate.
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>>739074739
White Americans love nigger culture because they have none of their own
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>>739118841
They're pretty much exactly like that, they've actually devolved a lot in the last 20 years, they talk like this awful zoomie nigger/chav thing
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>>739074739
Zoomers will never experience anything like the leap in content that happened from VC to SA
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>>739084442
>>739085191
Jeet kino
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>>739120089
It's kinda impressive that jeets made the game look worse and run worse than a 20 year old PC port.
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>>739074950
V is literally just SA 2 tho
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It was the first and only good PC port rockstar ever made, there was a time anyone under 30 with a pc had SAMP installed
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>>739120612
Ha! If only.
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>>739074739
It's the big one and GTA4 immediatly stepped back and shrunk to one city again so it stands out
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>>739075030
>flies a remote controlled helicopter into you
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>>739118731
>i-i-it was j-j-just a joke
I already said I accepted your concession retard, you can run along now zoomer.
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>>739123620
It's too late. Your permanent file has been altered forever.
We are now also adding that you try way too hard to fit in.
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>>739123816
>zoom zoom still backpedaling
I implore you to move on, I've already accepted your concession.
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>>739124025
Just digging the hole deeper pal.
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>>739074739
Because it was Boyz in the Hood but in video game form.
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>>739119836
4 to 5 already happened, unc.
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>>739124025
>i'm trans
happy for you xister
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>>739074739
Last fun one.
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>>739124086
>>739124171
>zoomnigger samefagging now
Tsk tsk tsk not a good look.
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>>739124485
lol
lmao even
get rekt
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>>739124605
>zoomnigger knows how to inspect element
Impressive zoom zoom.
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>>739124675
>being this buckbroken
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>>739096762
Not that anon, love both iv and san andreas but the driving definitely is more realistic. have you not driven a car made before the 21st century?
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>>739082269
But getting fat / thin, gym muscle, most customisable hair, clothes and car choices ever by far are all in the gta6 leaks mong.
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>>739124723
>being this retarded
It's okay though zoom zoom.
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>>739125504
I know you are, but what am I?
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>>739074950
>Faggot zooomer hands typed this
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>>739125570
>resorting to childish antics
At least you're finally acting your age zoomcel. I still need to inform you that I've already accepted your concession, you don't need to continue to beg for my attention, but I'll oblige since you don't seem to have anything else going on.
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>>739083684

48% Women lol
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>>739125901
Buddy, my first post >>739114790
was childish antics. You're the one who thinks he's so above it, and has been getting this all added to his permanent record.
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retards wanted to be niggers
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you could run SA on any potato pc so it was extremely popular in all third world countries, and then SAMP made it a staple of free online gaming.
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>>739112265
HD killed dev cycle, shit got too complex and expensive.
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>>739126030
the chaotic nigger life works better for a videogame while the intelligent organized criminal something works better as a drama movie/book.
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>>739125987
>zoomnigger admits he was a childish faggot samefag
Another win for me.
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>>739126491
Congratulations on winning the Special Olympics
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>>739126491
If you call getting all of this added to your permanent record a win.
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>>739083198
>GTA 4 good bc dark n griddy so tuff frfr
Kys zoomzoom, even 5 is better than muddy greyscale slop
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>>739126568
>>739126725
>more (You)'s from the zoomnigger
Delicious seethe.
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LOOK THE FUCK OUT CJ THE TRAIN
>>739128403
Meds
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>>739074739
Maybe it's because I'm white but I could never get into the setting. It's just completely boring and unappealing.
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>>739126901
shut up twitter bot
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>>739075030
The radio stations are the only thing people can come up with when I ask them why they like Vice City the most
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>>739074739
Because a certain demographics in America is worshiped. You cannot say their name in vain, you cannot defend yourself against them with a weapon or you go in front of court
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>>739076730
also the biggest difference between SA online and GTA V online - SA online is a free fan mod, V online exists solely for monetization/microtransactions.
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>>739130223
>m'twitter bots r ruinin' m'darkngriddy thread...
holy zoomer batman
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>>739090431
I played SA at 25 and thought IV was a massive letdown. IV took itself too seriously and forgot about the fun and humor factor. it went too far in the "realism" angle.
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>>739096715
why don't you know how to spell tires?
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>>739117141
"women" with penises.
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>>739129819
>Meds
Ironic zoomnigger.
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>>739132287
You so fat you jumped in the air and got stuck
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>>739074739
Simply put, it captured the soul of the early 2000s
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>>739132337
Swing and a miss zoomnigger.
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>>739134576
>didn't get the reference
Based zoomer
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>>739134763
>zoomnigger still thirsting for my attention
Heh
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>>739135079
>still replying to me
I broke you. You have been WARPED.
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>>739135328
>zoomnigger still giving me (You)'s after I already accepted his concession hours ago
Your seethe never ends lmao
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>>739135510
>racism
Done. You have been utterly defeated. Never forget this day.
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>>739135585
>zoom zoom crying about racism
lol
lmao even
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>>739116782
>Fixed the targeting, even though it made it very easy.

Yeah, CJ can now shoot like a proper third person shooter guy, but the enemies are still on the shitty lock on system from the past games. They can't hit for shit either.
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>>739131270
>why don't you know how to spell tires?
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>>739074739

playing this shit on PC right now and it is truly incredible how memeable the beginning los santos stuff with the grove street boys are.
Everything these voice actors say is memorable beyond belief
YOU FAT FUCK, GET BLASTIN'
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>>739137526
RYDER NIGGA
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>>739074739
because it was more taboo to steal bikes as a black guy
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>>739076376
take me back
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>>739074950
V is only still popular because it's the latest and GTAO. 20 years from now it will be forgotten, unlike SA, because it's a shit game.
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>>739137850
You wanna know the scary thing anon? that image was nearly a decade ago, imagine how much worse it is now
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>>739076376
>>739137850
>>739137979
WE CANT GO BACK
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>>739075687
I like Penny Arcade's brief review of it at the time
> Like Halo, Grand Theft Auto's foul-mouthed, amoral sagas have an appeal inside and outside of our core community. Repelling alien invaders has always had a universal, indeed, a nearly patriotic quality, but purely terrestrial concerns magnified to epic volume are not without their cinematic power. The games submerge the player in content of various kinds and challenge them to come out of the experience with the game they're interested in the most. Speaking from personal experience, my interest in the actual missions wanes almost immediately. That's absolutely been the case with San Andreas. I still find the camera, controls, and combat of the console versions to fall short of the series' promise - a promise manifested most surely in their impeccable knack for creating cities which feel real. That the series has been able to succeed almost purely on the personality of its presentation for as long as it has is a either a credit to its manufacture or an indictment of our collective intellect, and you're welcome to believe whichever one you want to.

>I won't deny that the game has a real shine to it when you start playing, that shine carried me almost entirely through the first two. I wish I weren't saying this, I wish I was just giving it a 9.9 and clicking okay on the upload script. No-one would disagree. There are many ways to play the game, and as I've suggested the personality it projects positively gleams. The voice work is excellent, and some of the best writing in games today can be heard on the many remarkable radio stations. With friends over, it's almost like a performance art. But I don't particularly enjoy playing it, as a game you understand. I fully expect to be in the minority on this.
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>>739138448
>tldr its a 10/10 but I dont particularly like it
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>>739074739
It was exotic at the time
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>>739074739
its the Resident Evil 4 of the Grand Theft Auto franchise
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>>739138741
>plays just like 3 and VC
Retard
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>>739098035
>and confirmation that Tommy Vercetti is still alive and successful by 1993
IIRC supplementary material to Vice City (Kent Paul's blog iirc) shows that Tommy is still firmly in control of Vice City's underworld into the 2000's.
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>>739074739
I think it was just memed more. Vice City will always be the goat.
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>>739074950
SA is literally the Zoomer core game
Kys fake zoomzoom
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and I keep mentally calling him "Ken Paul", lol.
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>>739130309
atmosphere
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>>739139427
SA isn't zoomercore lmao. Zoomers were like 5 when it came out.
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>>739137526
>>739137654
YOU PICKED THE WRONG THREAD FOO
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>>739137339
>using pajeet English
This isn't 4chan.co.uk
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>>739074950
I'm going to ice you zoomie
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>>739098035
9 years? damn.
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you weren't programmed to be triggered by black people in video games back then
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>>739074950
it will happen to you and your favorite things
hope you dont have explosive tendencies when alphies calls you whatever they come up with to divide you out of the world
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>>739141019
holy fucking BASED
if you're not American, get the FUCK off my site
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>>739131441
you mean dutch girls? or trannies?
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>>739074739
With V's bullshit I'm happy SA still has a place desu.
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>>739142579
Why dutch specifically
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>>739141019
...Is .org an american domain? I actually had no idea
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>>739142750
if you know you know
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>>739142764
every domain is an american domain
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>>739142807
I'm dutch and I haven't met any girls with surprises yet. Or is this an austin powers reference, I haven't seen those movies in forever.
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>>739074739
Has the most content/features and was way ahead of its time. Nothing came close to how big it was. It did everything the previous games did at a way bigger scale.
Here are things that it had off the top of my head.
>huge map (for its time) with no load screens
>massive amount of vehicles including cars, motorcycles, bikes, planes, boats, a jetpack
>great story and va
>dating
>car customization
>buying homes
>buying clothes
>rpg mechanics
>can get fat/skinny/bodybuild
>barbers
>mini games everywhere
>couch multiplayer
>swimming and diving
>extremely fun cheats
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>>739142835
e-even .co.uk...?!
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>>739143361
Especially .co.uk!
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>>739143361
yes ICANN is american
>>
there's the start of a new decomp project for SA, and it won't make the same mistakes as the last one (it contained the entire game's script which is copyrighted). Proper clean room reverse engineering is legal.

If this happens, a proper new source port can be made, and it can include massive bug fixes. Rather than a hodge-podge of mods, a single update patch can be made, proper linux and mac versions made, and a source port with all the bells and whistles we want. Finally proper 60-120fps without any issues.
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>>739074739
it's probably been like 4 years, getting to be time to 100% San Andreas again. mostly just a joy except for maybe grinding lung capacity and fucking the Casino mole.
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>>739074950
Only memorable quote is "yeeyee ass haircut", game had zero cultural impact.
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>>739074739
americans worship black men
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>>739124871
I have, but I also live in a country where you can't use a car if the suspension has rusted down to nothing
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>>739141019
.co.(country) is for government domains
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>>739137339
>tyre
what the fuck kind of bong post is this?
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>>739144614
and trix are for kids
>>
American culture is centered around...
>>
For me, it's bounce fm.
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>>739144775
Israel
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>>739142869
how many dutch girls (u havent paid for) have u met tho
if u are from den haag i'll give u a pass, they are the best
I WILL RETURN
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>>739074739
4 and 5 lacked a bunch of features only SA had.
Fun characters and best rising to power story.
Felt like grand finale.
Easy to pirate and mod when it came out so everyone played it.
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>>739076376
India is now at 70%.
There's still another 30% of India to come online.
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>>739139427
>San Andreas being zoomercore
The meaning of certain words on 4chan is completely gone.
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>>739074950
You mean 25+ uncls you old ass
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>>739145039
Actually from utrecht but I live in den haag so ok. I still don't get it though
>>
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>>739145703
you pimp dat ride then it blows up 20 seconds later.
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>>739145364
why do u want to get it? love the girls from den haah, they deserve it
forget about the lovecraftian dutchness of centuries past
i might actually join u, kinda speak dutch too (pussy...) but mostly post on /lit/
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>>739141019
It says 4chan dot org.
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>>739074739
>why is SA the only one 4chan fags latch on to
ftfy
le memes and same thread spam.

no matter the topic, 4chan fags attach to one single thing and affix to it, reposting it over and over.
like true crime, its just the stephen or watts cases posted ad i infinitum.

if not for this sentence, no one would reply to this podt because posts that are 100% leave nothing for anyone to say. only posts that make people upset or disagree get replies. but what i stated is the absolute truth and will not only get replies because i pointed this out.

at the end of the day, 3, VC, 4, and 5 are all better than SA. a list of feautures that sound nice on paper but no one actually engages with doesnt make it good.
grtting fat or muscular added nothing to the game. dont get me wrong id rather havr those things, buts its not like its worth ranking it over bice city which does all the important things much better.

people who say SA is the best also post 3x3s feauuring i have mo mouth and i must scream, planescape tormemt, god hand, etc. favorite movies are fight club, american psycho, and drive.
le epic enlightened nonconformist hardcore epic gamurr 4chanfag. no indepedent thought
>>
san andreas is so goated...
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>>739146410
>user ip location: india
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>>739146156
No one gives a shit about your orgasms, you worthless gooner.
>>
>>739146541
>sharteen the post
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>>739074739
it's the most funmaxxed gta with a soundtrack just as iconic as vice city's
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>>739146810
you had grunge shit, and ghetto rap but also funk and r and b and even god damn country. It was probably the most varied soundtrack up to that point.
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>>739137339
>British English
Wtf
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>>739148001
that's the real english. America is a fake english.
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>>739074739
>COMMUNISTS AT THE GATE CARL!
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>>739130309
colors, setting, felt like scarface, that pseudoclassy gangster feel instead of some street warfare
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>>739148001
u wot m8? cor blimey, the queen's english gov
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>>739130309
It was the one I grew up with
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>>739074950
Im 21 and love this game
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>>739130309
vice city had better missions, story, music, and world design than 3 despite being smaller
and then it got completely mogged by san andreas
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>>739074739
Three
fucking
cities
And that's not even half the explorable map, especially when we include interiors. It goes beyond genre, it's just a perfect concept for a video game. Even GTA V and GTA IV combined have less interiors than GTA SA, and that's not even discussing the exteriors which is what 90% of people focus on.
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>>739150475
>Even GTA V and GTA IV combined have less interiors than GTA SA
fucked if true
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>>739076376
We have to accept that our race goes beyond skin color. The culture of Chinese is so drastically incompatible with the West. They will lie and cheat and feel nothing, in fact it makes them happy. We cannot live next to these non-humans.
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>>739150475
three undercooked cities that is. we needed "stories" for each of the cities to flesh them out.
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Ryder, Big Smoke, are some of the funniest characters rockstar has ever made. Almost everything they say is hilarious. Sweet acts like the straight man for the most part.
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>>739074950
The only thing keeping V alive in public conciousness is GTA Online. Without it, it would be immediately forgotten for the shit game it is.
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>>739150475
Three cities in one continuous map was unprecedented and even now few games can match that
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more like san an nigger
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shoudl have been able to do more gang banger shit.
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cuz it's one of the eastiest games ever.
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>>739074739
It's the most ambitious one.
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Reminder the wrong side of the tracks is easy to complete 100% of the time if

Your on the..."right"...side of the tracks. Seriously, your too close if your on the tracks. The mission fucking knew this. That's why they called it "wrong" side of the tracks. Because your on THE WRONG SIDE OF THE TRACKS.
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>>739151891
Sweets the main bad guy
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>>739157249
Correct. remember, the game shipped on the PS2 when they were still using 4:3 screens so it was a bit harder to see that your shots weren't lining up. The game uses a lock-on system for NPCs and Smoke is aiming at the belt of the guys. If you're too close, the shots will just hit the side of the train. You gotta get to the right spot a bit farther out so they will land.
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what are the best most recent mods?
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>>739130309
While tastes and opinions can vary, to me it seems like VC was the last one that let you really improvise and have fun on the missions the way you wanted to
in SA you kind of could, 4 and 5 not really at all they're so heavily scripted
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>>739074739
highly memeable. Put Ryder, Smoke, CJ, and Sweet, into a situation and it pretty much writes itself.
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>>739157443
Literally the only anon to actually describe the why. Holy dicks. Yes it hits the oversized hotbox of the train because of the sharp angle when your too close. Which you can see, the impact hit mid air on the side of the train, thats the hitbox. I am shocked someone actually knew
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>>739159019
yeah it's about angles.
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>>739074739
People ask me this question for Vice City and I simply tell them it's more nostalgic for me.
I only played San Andreas briefly at the time on Xbox to the point of where i don't think i even finished it completely. I ended up eventually doing so but it wasn't until much later post release.
I prefer the one that most people consider to be the inferior of the three. I also played 3 more than SA so I'm not sure why sa didn't click as much as it should have. Technically it was the most ambitious one and had the most building interiors and stuff. 3 and Vice City are permanently etched into my brain but San Andreas barely is.
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>>739160217
thread's almost dead. no one's gonna read a big post this late mate.
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with mods one day SA may be a good game. Just like New Vegas. It's like they're in perpetual development. The ideal San Andreas hasnt' bee made yet. Imagine what kind of San Andreas our children will be able to experience?
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>>739160504
What is the Tale of Two Wastelands of SA?
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>>739074739
SA had so many stuff stacked into it that it felt almost like an immersive sim. Later GTA games focused on the driving and shooting.
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>>739160504
>one day, the last 2/3rds of the game might be finished
Don't say heretical nonsense like that
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>>739160469
It's not that big of a post unless you're posting on a phone. I figured out why it didn't click and it was likely because i didn't think CJ wasn't an appealing protagonist because of being a hood nigger. Vercetti was Italian and Claude generally worked for some Italian families. That's likely why SA didn't work for me. Movies like Goodfellas and Scarface and all of that is why i liked the others.
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>>739160646
Cj is barely a hood nigga. Dude IMMIEDIETLY starts moving up and out of the ghetto and becomes a real business man asap
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>>739160469
i did
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>>739160718
CJ's actually pretty smart and articulate for someone from the 'hood, and he does in fact try to integrate into better organized crime outfits like the New York Italian mafia when he can. He became an associate to the Leone family back in Liberty City, which is a better gig than hoodrat like Sweet.

He is mostly just trying to earn the respect of his brothers and avenge his mom's death for most of the plot.
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>>739160718
I'm judgemental at surface level stuff and you do spend a little while before you go up anyway.
You know like judging a book by it's cover. I saw no Italian mafia man like Vercetti or Ciprani and my brain back then just came to it's own conclusion pretty quick. Bellic was immediate appeal to me though.
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>>739160924
It's sweet who brings everyone down. Hes the true villain
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>>739074739
this game introduced me to black culture lol, the way characters talk interact with each other is so funny
today woke has completely destroyed it, blacks is so safe lame and gay now
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>>739161012
nah, he reminds CJ he has to take out big smoke and end things. Going around becomming a businessman is a side-quest. Once they learn that CRASH, Ryder, Smoke, are all colluding, and they were behind the hit on their mom CJ has to take them out.
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>>739161012
Sweet's attitude is annoying but understandable. He's the eldest brother and so has focused on trying to keep his family together and so he doesn't see the big picture the same way CJ does.



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