Post ya:>Veterans>Cuts>Newcomershttps://tiermaker.com/create/super-smash-bros-ultimate-includes-alt-characters-318293
Project M's roster + Pac-Man, Megaman, Ryu, and Inkling is the correct answer thoughbeit.
Did I do it right
>>739077694Wait shit I forgot Fox, the joke's ruined
Lip
>>739075932Here's my list.I don't really like dropping characters so this might be a little unrealistic.Dropped characters I feel just have no potential. And I just threw Corrin in there.Characters in the rework sections either have outdated movesets that could use material from newer games, have movesets that disappoint me, or are just horribly thought out and need changes (Steve/Kazuya). I want there to be a focus on further decloning some characters.Hear me out on not dropping Dark Pit. There's quite a lot of depth to Kid Icarus Uprising. There's a ton of weapons Pit alone does not cover. There's a whole other side to that game Dark Pit could represent.The Links all being clones of each other is dumb. Young Link needs more Majora's Mask stuff.Give some of Chrom's moves to Lucina and maybe find some way to put in how Aether really functions in Awakening. Side B attack maybe.
>>739075932>Veteransthe original 12 except puff>cutseveryone else>newcomersnone
>>739079451>Hear me out on not dropping Dark Pit. There's quite a lot of depth to Kid Icarus Uprising. There's a ton of weapons Pit alone does not cover. There's a whole other side to that game Dark Pit could represent.Based, I agree.
they should reboot Smash Bros the same way they are doing with StarFox now
>>739075932Sakurai's team has spent the last few years working on kirby air riders not on smash you smelly smashtards. The next smash is still several years away and you should accept that already
>>739075932Cut all the sword characters except Link3 or 4 characters per franchise No more "clone" characters Luigi, wolf etc2 or 3 pokemon4 or 5 Mario characters1 or 2 Zelda characters Characters like pac man gets new movesMore niche characters with unique moves
>>739075932>VeteransEveryone >CutsNone>NewcomersEverybody of note in vidya is already in the game, just keep the roster as-is and instead focus dev time on balancing, making online play not shit and adding back content like Break the Targets, Smash Run, Adventure Mode, trophies, etc.
>>739075932cut all the no sword character except mariofire emblem has no character limitmore clone characterno pokemononly MarioEvery single LinkNone gets new moves
>>739075932I am a pragmatist. 3D Open world Super Smash Bros entry.
>>739080580I don't think they can just keep porting Ultimate over and over until the heat depth of the universe. We gotta have something new eventually
>>739081850Bro I really typed "depth" instead of "death". Killing myself tomorrow
>>739075932>Keep: Min Min>Cut: Not Min MinEasy.
>>739075932Newcomers:>Pauline>Capt. Toad>Paper Mario>Ring Fit Trainee>Dragaux>Octoling>Big Man>Whispy Woods>Sidon>Andross>Deoxys>Gholdengo or a gen 10 rep>Mach Rider>Takamaru>Leon S. Kennedy
>>739081850They would but people who want a new game unironically have expectations that are 9999x more unrealistic than just keeping everyone forever.
>Add: Ashley >I don't give a shit about anything elseI've been waiting since Brawl, damn it.
>>739082059cringe>>739083739based
>>739075932Pointless. We are not getting another smash bros game.
>Pointless. We are not getting another smash bros game.
>>739075932i dont want to make a full tier, but i think that Samsh 6 will have a reduced roster. Mario, Link, Fox and other main first party will be there with at least one character, but these charaters will be completely reworked from zero. For example, i bet that Donkey Kong will have Bananza abilities, and Mario will be based on odyssey or from the next 3d game, Fox on remake one etc. The rest will be newcomers. I expect that none of the "guest characters" will be present, in favor of new guests
>>739079451>slight rework>Steve
>>739084635>being a tourneyfag
I want to see really obscure Nintendo characters like Doshin the Giant appear.
>>739084729>implying tourneyfags wouldn't want that
>>739084152>b-but air ridersKIU didn't stop Smash 4>b-but it's called ultimateNo one pays attention to "Ultimate"'s meaning outside of flimsy excuses to not believe we're getting another Smash game>b-but annoying fanbaseSonic is still getting games
>>739085018Tourneyfags don't want a slight rework, they want Steve nerfed into the ground.
ADD:TF2 HeavyMoonwalker Michael JacksonGTA CJMarx (Kirby)Porky (EarthBound)Elite Beat AgentsMaster ChiefWaluigiAbraham Lincoln
>>739084635Steve is fucking retarded, but if he's changed too much he stops being Steve. Placing blocks and mining resources is what Minecraft is all about. Steve represents those aspects but they are balanced awfully as things are. We can maybe nerf the block health and set limits on where they can be placed (I saw a video where Steve just blocked Ganon's recovery from reaching the ledge, that is stupid) and maybe drop other moves like anvil too.
>>739084818Agreed. I’d prefer this so much over getting a bunch of third party characters again.
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>>739075932Based on facts and logic
>>739075932Who cares its gonna have garbage input delay regardless because Sakurai thinks its a "field evener" (Protip its not, you wont beat good players still) All he's doing is making the game feel bad to play.
>>739087140I wouldn't personally cut falco, they need to get rid of his retarded redesign they had for him since Brawl. It's fine to have a unique moveset, its not fine to basically keep him neutered to obscure combos that only work when people don't know how to DI.
>>739079451>leave as is>Little Mac, Zelda, Sephiroth, Palutena>drop>characters anon doesnt like
>>739075932Felt like throwing what roster I'd be happy with plus some newcomers.
>>739088193
>>739075932>Thinking any of the third parties are coming backI don't know why people assume Nintendo will keep them. It's pretty clear Nintendo wants to focus on their own IPs and expand those. I mean, they want to make movies and merchandise, and having a roster where a good chunk of the characters are ones you don't even own isn't conducive to that. Remember how everyone claimed the next Mario Kart was going to be Nintendo Kart and then it turned out to be world. I feel like the same thing is going to happen here and everyone's going to be surprised when Nintendo didn't want to waste the budget on licensing fees.
>Wario doesn't have his classic skin Fuck you OP
Max of two characters for a small series.Max of three characters for a medium series.Max of five characters for a big series.Lol.
>>739088552What would the Smash equivalent of MKW be? MKW just added countless mooks as playable characters.
>>739088756Every Nintendo-owned assist Trophy becoming playable. On that note, that means no assist trophies period.
>>739075932Okay serious question, anyone else think that Sora from Kingdom Hearts was not actually wanted in Smash? That Sora won the ballot because of the idea of giving Sakurai a CHALLENGE to see if mean old Disney would give the license to Kingdom Hearts for Smash.That's what I think because no way that Sora is more popular than characters like Doom Guy, Leon Kennedy, Kratos, the animal robots from Freddy's, etc. I genuinely refuse to believe that Sora was TRULY wanted in Smash. It was a merely a novelty. Sora is not a popular gaming character even Shadow the Hedgehog and Eggman are more recognized characters in entertainment culture. Hell old characters from before gaming existed like Zorro are more popular than Sora. And I suspect that Sora is getting kicked out of Smash because his novelty is complete.
>>739088829>Hell old characters from before gaming existed like Zorro are more popular than Sora.I find this bit funny because Disney themselves has done a Zorro series long before video games existed.
>>739088809I wouldn’t mind that, it would make for a compelling roster.
>>739088809that'll be the new Ultimate DLC
>>739088809Assist trophies should only be side characters that have zero chance of being playable like Jeff or Phosphora, not protagonists like Isaac or Alucard.
>>739088756>What would the Smash equivalent of MKW be? They make an adventure mode but its "open world" If they started work before Air Riders that is 100% what they are doing>>739088809Don't think they'd do something like that but there are a lot of characters Nintendo wants to shill like Oatchi, Sylux and Pauline. I feel like the roster would be a combination of a few new series (Sportsmates, Ayumi, maybe a Rhythm Heaven character), the usually Pokemon/FE/Xenoblade (Japs loved Pyra/Mythra so they'll get a character) and the characters that were either ones Nintendo wants to be bigger or were relevant during the Switch era like Octoling (I feel like they'll add Raru).
>>739089074>death at 71% on ground from an upairthats some dlc bullshit
Ryu Hayabusa next game or bust.
>>739088971>JeffJeff's a main character in Mother 2. But I'd put in Paula or Poo before him.
>>739087854Sure but I wouldn't replace any of the characters who made the cut for Falco.
>>739088185little mac is iconic at this point
>>739089261Smash make's Shulk lighter. Thats what fucked him
>>739075932This is all we're getting, and that's if Nintendo feels generous.
The obsession with roster over everything else is why this series will never be as good as it once was. They don't need any new modes or content other than basic vs matches, no adventure mode, no story. As long as they have CGI character ads.
>>739089559There's no going back. Smash was always an advertisement, but it was an ad with good gameplay.
>>739089581>it was an ad with good gameplay.And godawful balancing.
If it really just ends up being Ultimate with more characters do you think we could see it at the hypothetical June Direct?
>>739089623Hopefully it's shown either way
Nintendo MOBA lineup
>>739088269>grrr, where is Crash, where is Shadow, where is (insert boring circlejerked character here)
>>739089712>Pichu can't be in Pokemon's MOBA but it can be in Smash's
I think people overestimate the influence guest characters have over Smash’s sales. Look at Sonic CrossWorlds, they have everyone from Minecraft Steve to SpongeBob and yet, that game underperformed according to Sega.
>>739089623They've liked to show off the previous Smash games during E3, so it would make the most sense.
>>739089678>if Nintendo is stupid enough to get rid of the guests they will suffer for it.I'm absolutely certain that few, if any of the contracts drawn up between Nintendo and the 3rd parties allow them to use the characters beyond Ultimate and their related Amibos. Will some of them sign a new contract? Sega, SNK, and Capcom undoubtedly will. Disney, Sqeenix, Konami and Microsoft?Who knows.
>>739089074Zelda just be doing shit.
>>739088809I had an idea for changing ATs to be the new game's equivalent of a Final Smash, and allowing players to select their AT from a separate select screen before a match (or set it randomly). It would make being an AT feel less like a cheat or settlement, and they could be balanced around varying power levels vs how frequently they can be summoned.For example, a shitty AT like Thwomp can be summoned frequently, whereas something like Rathalos might only be able to be summoned once.
>>739075932I don't see the point in cutting Echo Fighters given how little effort they take to include. You could cut every single one of them and you still wouldn't get one new character.Anyways, Small Reworks are for characters who I think should have some minor move changes to better represent their series (such as actually giving Marth the Fire Emblem, the only reason he didn't have it was to differentiate him from Link in Melee), and Big Reworks are for characters that basically need to start from scratch in their design.Anyways I don't really give much of a shit about newcomers anymore, everybody I would want is either already in (Samus, Kirby, Marth, Cloud, Richter, Hero) or has absolutely zero chance of ever getting in (Arvis FE4, P3 Protagonist, Emiya Shirou, Heavy TF2, Rex XB2)I guess I'd like Phoenix Wright. He's a fun character and would bring some great remixes.
>>739089764It's a kart games so every character is basically the same but with a different skin.
>>739089559We had a chance to have good gameplay with Melee and jump momentum. Sakurai rejected it and the fanboys rejected it moreso. May as well focus on the one thing people brought Smash for initially.
smash 6 wont happen lmao
>>739089938They're not cutting Rosalina or Bowser Jr. They were in the movie for Chrissake.
>>739089987>At that point it would be without a shadow of the doubt that Disney owns Sora and Nomura can't do anything about it no matter what he feelsDisney owns all of KH period, I don't get how people don't realize that.
>>739090036Explain why without assuming>nintendo blocked it by making Sakurai make Air Riders>nintendo cares that the English name means "final" (no one does)>nintendo wants to stop making games because their series have annoying fanbases
>>739088193Finally a fellow ImposterCHAD
>>739090072It's the roster of who I would want, and I don't want them.Also, didn't Bowser Jr barely make it into 4 in the first place?
>>739089987>Disney has no issues with NintendoDidn't Disney try to bury X-Men and the Fantastic 4 because Fox had their movie rights? Reminder me which theme park Nintendo Land is at, and which studio produced the Mario movies.
>>739090036>smash 6 wont happen lmao
>>739075932I think Splatoon has enough weapons to warrant another rep that uses newer weapons. Maybe an octoling or alternatively make idols into fighters.
>>739090157Is Disney preventing games based on their IPs from getting ported to the Switch?
Animal Crossing New Horizons getting an update instead of a new game makes me worried about Smash.
>>739089987Hero, Sephiroth, and Sora all being DLC gives me hope that Square sorted their shit out. That or Sakurai is the world's biggest masochist.
>>739090262There is nothing to worry about. Animal Crossing is not a copyright nightmare like Smash Ultimate.Only low IQ zoomers who doesn't understand how licensing works think a port will happen.
>>739090408How the fuck is Fortnite able to get a Switch 2 port when it has 100x the licenses to deal with? And how is Pinball FX able to keep almost all of its licenses from game to game?
>>739075932In the interest of making nobody happy here's a "Nintendo All-Stars" roster with at least 30 characters.
>>739090527Ridley is the only character there I would get rid of. No one even plays as Ridley.
>>739090638Wrong. I play Ridley
>>739090526>How the fuck is Fortnite able to get a Switch 2 port when it has 100x the licenses to deal with?Because the majority of Fortnite skins are only available for a limited time. That's why there is so many collabs in that game.
>>739088185I dropped Corrin because he's a shill pick I feel that didn't gain much of a fanbase. Roy and Ike, people would be sad if they were gone. I don't think that's true for Corrin. Even among FE fans Corrin is mostly considered a joke due to the writing of Fates. Byleth could be the new shill pick anyway. If I had to cut one character to get the reworks I want, it would have to be Corrin. The others are just clones that don't really add much or could stand out.>Little Mac, Zelda, Sephiroth, PalutenaThere's nothing wrong with them? Unless you're talking about movesets. I guess Little Mac's weaknesses are too harsh.
If we don’t get Smash in the June Direct what will we get instead? I’m thinking Luigi’s Mansion 4 and that rumored Ocarina of Time remake.
>>739090638I'd keep ridley for the sake of having a second metroid rep and having more villains in the roster, considering he's Samus' most consistent nemesis.
>>739091157I was thinking they would replace Ridley with Sylux. I’ve seen people suggest Raven Beak too.
>>739089074why is the reaction so funny?it's quite effeminate
>>739091368eh, I feel like they're too new. Unless Sylux does something big in a potential prime 5 (so never) I don't see him being anything more than an assist trophy.
dont like rosterfagging an entire roster but they better put in another kirby rep
>>739091429If we get another Kirby rep I want it to be Magalor
>>739091429I vote for Marx. He was both playable AND a boss in Air Riders. Sakurai clearly cares about him.
>>739091496Duh, he made him.
Add: KrystalCut: Krystal from the starfox franchise right after for the lulz
>>739090638Ridley should be twice the size.Sakurai says shit like "oh he's too big it wouldn't work" and then releases characters like Steve.
Does anyone else want another Animal Crossing character? I feel like Tom Nook could be funny, swinging his tail around like Tanooki Mario.
Remove all the echo trash or actually give them some decently unique properties like those alt moves and stats stickers you could do in 4. More Mario and Luigi's, less Peach and Daisy's.
>>739091429If Kirby does get any more characters, their inclusions better not be built on a correlation with Air Riders.
>>739075932I sincerely hope Sub-Zero or Scorpion gets put into the next Smash game. They have Nintendo history zoomers won't remember the spit vs blood stuff, the series is hugely influential, they're cool as fuck, and they have reps from lesser fighting series like Tekken or KoF. MK influenced as many games as Street Fighter, ffs.
>>739091429>the most boring Kirby character is also the most requested one by farGod I hate it. I would rather not have a new Kirby rep than that boring faggot.
>>739092174Mortal Kombat games do not even get released in Japan and the only reason people care about MK is fatalities, which Nintendo would obviously not let smash the game up multiple rating brackets.
>>739088193>Only one FE characterI know what you are
>>739089074This pedo still has fans?
Remember when the worst thing smash players did was smell bad?
I care more about new mechanics than new characters.
>Cutting IkeKill yourself
>>739075932>No cuts, I imagine Sakurai doesn't want to split the base since people can play Ultimate on the Switch 2. As a result, Smash 6 will basically be Smash Ultimate Deluxe + new content and at least 25 newcomers.Base game newcomers:Toad (more popular than Waluigi)Zelda (BotW) (uses hyrule warriors attacks)Marx (Sakurai doesn't care for B. Dee)KrystalGen 10 Poke (my guess is they'll shill the dog)FE protag Tom NookOctoling (echo fighter)Rookie & OchiRhythm Heaven repTakamaru (retro rep)New Nintendo IP (If not, then Ring fit trainer)AlucardAkuma (Echo fighter)DLC wave 1:Sol BadguyNext Tales of series protagRay Man (Part of a double reveal like Hero and Banjo)Monster Hunter Another FE repDLC wave 2:New Nintendo IP2B Raiden Xenoblade ProtagYakuza protag (if not Kazuma Kiryu, then Ichiban Kasuga)Crash
>>739090836>whats wrong with themWatch "why no one plays" on youtube and then ask yourself why you think 80% of the cast is perfectly fine as is when multiple characters you put in that section are either ranked very low or very high.
>>739095735>This pedo still has fans?Those fans are pedos themselves.
>>739088404>Robin>%100 staysGuffaw, guffaw!
Fuck it, we ball
>>739095735He claims that the kid he shared a room with molested him in his sleep and decided to hold it over him as blackmail. Doesn't really matter at this point since he's forever relegated to streaming on Youtube, he'll never play in tournament again
>>739096702The reworks were more about moveset changes or overhauls. I felt the characters in the top sections had fine movesets, buffs and nerfs are another matter. I was thinking about staying faithful to Little Mac not being an air fighter but that might be too debilitating for a platform fighter. I also like HDR's idea of turning Sephiroth into a setplay character, so maybe he could be changed as well. Zelda and Palutena should get buffed but I don't think their movesets need much changes.
>>739075932The only thing I'd want out of a new smash game is her getting her own kit.It'll never happen though, and thus I will not get it.
I'm going to say it.This series should be about only Nintendo characters again.
i hope the cut all the snoy and microsoft characters, including rareware characters because rare betrayed nintendo and i hate banjofags
>>739091429holy fuck you are retarded
>>739095897rosterfags are going to see your game releasing with like 7 characters and throw a shitfit
You'd best believe it.
>>739088552At most they'll heavily cut down on the amount of third party characters but Smash is never going back to only being first-party only, especially since Namco now developing Smash games gives a free opportunity to have Pac-Man and Tekken characters.
I want Wario to have a faithful and fun moveset more than any newcomer (except Doomguy)Is it so unrealistic to have the spirit of the freak of nature we get to play as in Wario World and Wario Land 4 as a Smash fighter? Why is he some dopey clapping and farting guy in Smash Bros?
>>739099196It's lists like these that make me want to blow my brains out.
>>739102321because the latter is more bizzare, therefore, more unique executed naturally moveset wise, while being adjacent to wario character wise
I limited myself to a 30 character roster and organized it similar to Brawl’s. The 6th row of characters are different options and what-if scenarios. Wanted to keep it simple and straightforward. Can’t please everyone so I might as well please myself. AMA.
>>739082059Based>>739083739Also based
>>739086431Yeah just cut the garbage lego city manSo fucking what if Minecrap is the best BLAH BLAH BLAHAt that point you might as well throw in Fortnite Jonesy
>>739088552Cut them all it would be mad funny
>>739075932Just give me Crash Bandicoot/Coco Bandicoot, Leon Kennedy, Lara Croft. And someone from Koei Tecmo, Ryu Hayabusa, Ryza, Ayane, Marie Rose doesn't matter who. Nothing else matters.
>>739102321Sakurai is just weird like that. I think it was only around Smash 4 that people started telling him "hey, you need to start being faithful to these characters now".
>>739088809Well I have just the prediction list for assist trophies, my own personal thoughts on all of them.
>>739089764If they talked people would actually buy them. I'm not shitposting. It killed the first Nick Brawl and 2 racers.
HereI did this in 2 minutes
>>739102852Waluigi and Krystal will be as playable in the next Smash. No doubt about it.My choices are Alucard, Knuckles, Zero and Bomberman too.
>>739098946Absolutely. I say this yet then become a hypocrite because I want Banjo and Sonic left in.
>>739088829Honestly the only good thing about Sora are his alts. That’s it. This is coming from a huge Sora fan but I HATE the way Sakurai made designed him. The Down B Counter is a big slap in the face.
>>739102983>Waluigi and Krystal will be as playable in the next Smash. No doubt about it.No if I have to say something about it, and I do.
Another Challenge: Buidling a Roster using one character that debuted in that year, based A Talking Sock’s Video. He kinda cheated with DK and Mario since they debuted the same year but he uses the excuse of Nintendo not calling Jumpman “Mario” until 1982. Just watch the video to understand the context.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ToCqZkw7TYI would change some like for 1995 I’d add Panel De Pon Lip, Tingle for 2000 is certainly a choice when Skull Kid was right there, Krystal gets the 2002 spot, I’m sorry but a random Soul Calibur character for 2003? I’m choosing Lyn instead.
>>739088829Sora is very popular. Everyone with a playstation console played Kingdom Hearts at some point. Weeaboos of all races grew up with Sora. Sora is even in the fangame Super Smash Flash 2. Sora is absolutely more popular than those characters you listed.>And I suspect that Sora is getting kicked out of Smash because his novelty is complete.This would only be because Disney is a bitch to work with. Not because Sora wasn't wanted.
I hate Sora because>He's yet another faggot tranime boy deviating the roster further from funny scrimblos to sameface K-pop koreaboo lookalikes. We're so far removed from the kino original Smash 64 ads.>Mere moments before his reveal, they went and made Doomguy, the most important video game character since Mario, a fucking Mii suit.>Show off the motherfucking Bonfire sword in the Abyss in the Four Kings arena, so they went and cockteased somebody actually cool like Solaire or the Chosen Undead>Kingdom hearts is just really gay, kindof an embarassment
>>739103554Kingdom hearts is a successful game series with a lot of fansDoom, despite all the memes, isn't
>>739103750>The game that Bill Gates himself had to shill just to sell more copies of Windows wasn't a successBait or Retardation
>>739102976>Cutting Pit>Cutting Pokemon Trainer>Cutting the Miis>Cutting Shulk>Cutting every Fire Emblem character except MarthI would really like you to explain your reasoning
>>739106295Every Nintendo-owned assist Trophy becoming playable. On that note, that means no assist trophies period.
>>739075932Input delay below triple digits would be my #1 roster inclusion
>>739079451>Drop IsabelleBased. Tom Nook and Rover were way more deserving.
what's the deal with Fox in Ultimate? I get matchups are a thing, but this guy steamrolls over so many characters online it's hilarious. I always have to struggle fighting against Incineroar with Yoshi. With Fox? Just run over him with your lol dash attack and sweep for the win.Is this the power of a top tier character? Speedy character + internet delay? Or am I only running into the good matchups for Fox? I admit, this is 6M right now where as my Yoshi is in Elite. But even then, I never had this feeling where I have always have the ability to overcome my enemies no matter what they throw at me.
Struggling Mario main here (I know there's like 3 of us right now, I'm the one with the wildly varying GSP).some anon told me external factors like sleep and diet could affect my performance, which sounds insane for a fucking video game, but it's 100% true. This weekend I was able to sleep a bit better and in a single day I effortlessly climbed back up to ~9.5 million GSP. from ~4.9. I was pulling crazy combos out of my ass with zero practice, bid my time before approaching instead of going in like a retard (although it's still hard against swordies - try to camp them out when possible). I don't think I lost a single match yesterday. Played against my friend and also beat him every single time no matter how laggy the connection got or what shitter character he picked.so for my Mario Bros struggling here, it really could be that simple. Unless you're at 11+ million GSP, you don't need to consistently irar or learn more combo strings or figure out this one trick to approach disjoints. Just stop playing til you fix your sleeping schedule, and don't play right after a meal. No matter how much time you spend in training mode your muscle memory/coordination won't mean shit if you're tired. Sounds like obvious reddit tier advice but it worked wonders for me. I'm just not even gonna bother playing Mario when I'm tired. I'll just pick GnW or some other shitter, or not play at all
Give Samus a new suit for the love of fucking god.Keep RidleyGive Dark Samus a unique moveset like her Smash 4 trophy had. Otherwise cut her.Cut ZSS. I don't care if you're a coomer her entire role in Metroid is to be a useless bitch that can't do anything but run away and she has no business being a combatant in anything.
>>739106520Replacing a woman with two men... not very progressive of you
>>739088829>entertainment cultureIt almost doesn't get bigger than Disney, anon. KH was a fixture of the 2000s era, with the Final Fantasy and Renaissance Disney crossover.
>>739088552Sonic has been in the Smash Bros series for 20 years, anon. Why do you think he isn't going to come back?
>>739106295Kid Icarus is somehow even more irrelevant now than before it was revived with UprisingPokemon trainer is a good idea on paper but simply doesn't workMiis are lame dev time waste, best I can propose to do is cameos in a Mii themed stageXenoblade doesn't need a single rep and we already have the much better Dragon Quest for JRPGsFire Emblem deserves only one character
no cuts, no butts, no coconuts>NEWCOMERSDoomed manJohn HaloPaper MarioCrash BandicootSpyroGenoMallowTailsKnucklesGeese HowardDitto from Pokopia
>>739106704People complaining that Smash is a sausage fest when there's actually a substantial amount of female characters in the game deserve it. I'll even list them:>Samus>Dark Samus>Pikachu>Jigglypuff>Peach>Daisy>Nana>Zelda>Sheik>Lucina>Zero Suit Samus>Leaf>Squirtle>Ivysaur>Charizard>Wii Fit Trainer>Rosalina>Mii Gunner>Mii Brawler>Mii Sword Fighter>Palutena>Robin>Corrin>Bayonetta>Inkling>Isabelle>Kazooie>Byleth>Min Min>Alex>Pyra>Mythra>Wendy>Pichu>Villager
All campy projectile/longarm characters need to be reworked or cut. Smash should not be a game where one or both players run away and hide in the corner.
>More popular than Hero, Cloud, and Sephiroth in JapanReminder she's here forever!
Samus needs a rework. It's bad when MII GUNNER is a better Samus than Samus.
>>739109214samus is high tier anon
>>739109356>tier listsI dont give a shit. Samus isnt a fucking clunky robot. She's agile despite her weight and smash doesnt reflect that at all. Samurai needs to update her already.
Ahh cool the thread is still up, I suppose I’ll share this. AMA.
>>739102321I don’t understand why Wario can’t even walk properly in Smash like he does in other games. Sakurai is really strange with Wario and not in a good way.
>>739075932Tifa, best girl, but only if we get lots of music
>>739098907Daisy is going to be very relevant in Mario Movie 3, we will likely get Smash 6 before it but my main concern is what they do with Daisy.
>>739096056How about Making a list yourself
>>739107808>Pokemon trainer is a good idea on paper but simply doesn't workElaborate??>Miis are lame dev time wasteThey're free DLC money
Do you think we should get a GBF character or Fate character or Hoyoverse character? For some reason I feel like a Hoyoverse character is inevitable especially when they’re loaded enough to just pay their way in
>>739091429I have a feeling if it’s Bandana Dee Sakurai might design him in a way where it’s either rushed, half-assed or boring like Ridley, Banjo and Sora for example.I kinda want Marx too for more villains and a Jester archetype in Smash. He seems to be lowkey favored by Sakurai being a boss and playable in Air Riders.Also it’s been long enough and Kirby has grown bigger since it last got new reps all the way back in Brawl. Either give Kirby a new character or fuck off and let somebody else do it Sakurai.
>>739112437If you're going to vouch for more Kirby reps, don't use that shitty image.
>>739112541Nta but that’s the Kirby roster clearly preferred by Sakurai and he has the ultimate say on whether Kirby gets a newcomer (and a Sakurai-chosen newcomer would NOT be Bandana Dee or Magolor, lmao)
>>739112608Then Sakurai's taste is shit and he cannot be allowed to touch Kirby.
>>739112608Magolor would be the best choice for the fourth kirby rep ideally. Popular enough, another villain, good rep for modern era kirby, More interesting than Waddle Dee, could have a fun movesetUnlikely over other characters? Maybe? I dunno
>>739107650Since Ultimate came out, Nintendo has focused on promoting their IPs and pushing them outside of video games. They even built a museum about themselves. In the most recent financials, Furakawa said>This movie is part of an initiative that unique from our dedicated video game platform business, and we believe it is very significant in that it moves beyond the framework of video games, creating opportunities for even more people to experience Nintendo IP.>Going forward, we will continue to create points of contact with consumers by promoting various initiatives that utilize Nintendo IP, working to convey the appeal of Nintendo to people of all ages around the world.Now, take a game like Smash Bros a series that has historically been "Nintendo characters fighting each other". Is Nintendo going to be like "Yeah we need to make sure we have Sans and Jonsey" or would they rather it feature characters and worlds they can make movies of. There was even a rumor of a Smash Bros movie, and while its likely bullshit, there are certainly Hollywood execs that want a cinematic Universe and for Smash to be their Avengers. That doesn't work with even a character like Sonic that Nintendo would have to license out. The thing people aren't asking is "Does Nintendo even want the third parties"? They would probably be happy not paying the licensing fees and having the game be about their worlds that they can promote in other avenues (or even their own Smash Bros movie).
>>739112608Sakurai has gigantic shit taste, this has been known since Melee
>>739112046>I feel like a Hoyoverse character is inevitableOn paper they would be inevitable, but they refuse to put a game on Switch, instead favoring a dead platform like Xbox.
>>739112730>>739112803I guarantee you that Noir Dedede is the most likely Kirby newcomer because Sakurai can just make him an echo fighter of base King Dedede and reuse all assets from Air RidersAnd the second most likely newcomer is Marx for obvious reasons and he was already made a boss in Smash Ultimate I’d expect most/all Kirby content in the next Smash to just reuse Air Riders assets
>>739089813Nintendo got rid of guests in MKW btw
>>739112835>The thing people aren't asking is "Does Nintendo even want the third parties"?I don't think Nintendo needs them but it's still a good idea to solidfy partnerships and third party support indirectly. Like in my opinion it doesn't really matter who or what the franchise is as long as the character and the company who owns said character has fans. Everyone wants their character in Smash, fans and companies alike. Smash can function as a deadly tool for Nintendo.
>>739075932Cuts = NONEI'm all in...
>>739112835I think that's the biggest issue with all the fan rosters I see. Not to sound like some Nintendo purist or whatever but I feel people always overblow the amount of third-party characters to the point where it no longer feels realistic. While third parties are indeed cool and should 100% be part of all rosters, they shouldn't define them to the point where Smash no longer feels like a celebration of Nintendo and rather just another mass franchise crossover that's become a little tired as of late. At most, I think Smash 6 should have at the very least 5-6 third party characters at launch.
>>739089623If so I hope we get rapid fire reveals like Brawl or they open up with a new series/franchise getting a playable rep much like Animal Crossing and Splatoon.
>>739092361Yeah bandana dee fags deserve the rope, any other kirby character is a better pick.
>>739113107I hope Alear is one of the first newcomers revealed maybe in a batch to try and mitigate the inevitable hate
>>739112881Air Riders being the entire inspiration for the next Smash would be the worst insult Sakurai's ever done to Kirby. He's asking for his own death sentence if he thinks his recent intrusion on the franchise is sustainable for its public image in any way.
>>739088971If that’s the case, then Isabelle should’ve remained an assist trophy and it someone else should’ve gotten the promotion. Or just give us Tom Nook.
>>739113175Why wouldn’t Sakurai reuse Air Riders assets en masse for the next Smash? Smash 3DS already reused a lot of Kid Icarus Uprising assets, Ultimate itself mostly reuses Smash 4 assets; and Air Riders was just made and obviously for dev efficiency the next Smash should reuse its assets and/or engine
>>739113175based
hmm yes wish fulfilment thread
>>739079451>>739087140>>739089938>>739090527>>739099196>>739102563>>739102976>>739107865Putrid dogshit posts. Insane that you think that anyone would play your awful version of smash. Hard skip.>>739088193>>739083739Only good posts in this thread, would definitely play.
>>739113267Because Air Riders is a terrible depiction of what Kirby is meant to be. How much must I dumb down my point?
>>739113467
You'd think someone would be a little more subtle about their samefagging
It makes me so sad that they'll probably double down on the anti-nintendo picks. I miss when smash was a nintendo game.
>>739113540This is a Smash thread, why are you expecting subtlety?
>>739113508It bluntly doesn’t matter what you think, Sakurai just got done with working on Air Riders and now has a whole bunch of Kirby-related assets to use to cut down dev time for the next Smash, and what was made for City Trial and Road Trip can be reused for the next Smash, maybe Smash Run could return with the updated assets made for City Trial and Classic Mode can be a reskinned Road Trip (which is already a reskinned Classic Mode anyway)
>>739113536Add:>Reimu + Marisa>Doomguy>Dark Soulsman>Dante>Alucard + Soma Cruz>Pheonix Wright>Midna/Wolf LinkPermanently deconfirm>Geno>Hat goomba>muh grandfather clausekys
>>739113665Damn, we've reached a new low if we're actually defending asset flips these days.I remember over a decade ago when people had mass disdain for the overuse of Uprising resources in Smash 4. And that was Sakurai recycling assets from a franchise that didn't really have all that much of its own identity otherwise.
>>739113991Realistically Sakurai is shooting himself in the balls before he gets the rights to all those third parties again
>>739114018I’m not defending it, I’m explaining that asset flips/reuse is a pattern when it comes to Sakurai’s games and Smash and why it should be expected to see Air Riders asset flips in the next Smash
>>739112046I feel a Genshin character is likely
>>739114140Weren't many of the Kirby assets in Brawl reused from that cancelled GameCube Kirby game?
>>739114057I would rather shoot myself in the balls than make a lame and boring fictional scenario
>>739113165Fire Emblem is forever a punching bag in Smash due to the fact that Corrin was allowed a spot.1. Because their game wasn’t even released worldwide at the time.2. Roy was already DLC and was actually requested to come back due to Melee nostalgia.3. Not even FE fans liked Corrin.
ENTER
>>739113991>Keeping CorrinYou’re no better dipshit, guess you want Fire Emblem to remain a punching bag LOL
>>739114018Smash 4 Final Destination is my favorite right next to Melee and Brawl.
>>739114315I like Fire Emblem but I really think that Elma should have gotten that slot back in the day especially since it was right around the English release of Xenoblade X and to this day the game doesn’t even have a single music track in Smash (although Corrin’s 4 versions of Lost in Thoughts all Alone with no other Fates music whatsoever isn’t much better)
>>739114631>made by a cuck
>>739114446Corrin is the best fire emblem character and probably one of the best roster picks in general. Though if older fe games need more rep (they dont) then I'd add tiki instead of roy or ike because they're too lame and random.
>>739114893Why Tiki instead of Sigurd or Arvis or Lyn or Black Knight?
>>739114941Shes hot.
>>739114965Sigurd is really hot, even hotter
>>739114984Damn and he has a cool horse. Ok he can stay too.
>>739113082>At most, I think Smash 6 should have at the very least 5-6 third party characters at launch.That's probably way too high as well. Remember that each series gets its own stage, music, assist, ect. More third parties not only increase the cost through licensing fees but also the minimum amount of content they have to make. Ultimate only worked because all the stages were reused from previous games. Splatoon and Castlevania only got new stages because they HAD to get new ones. The rest was all DLC. No matter what direction they go, there are going to be massive cuts to the third party side for various reasons. I think a lot of fans are saying "X will get in" with the assumption there wont go at the third parties like the Chinese go at the Uyghurs.
>>739115405It’s pretty obvious that Sora at the very least is totally out
>>739115758Good, his character trailer was cringy as fuck.
>>739115831….I never really got the appeal and apparent popularity of Kingdom Hearts anyway compared to FF
>>739115891I think its a series you had to grow up on.
Shamelessly grabbed off twitter, thoughts
>>739075932So the reasoning with this one is a SF6-esque "We're redesigning the base roster".>Game designed from day 1 for multiple seasons, Vets used to pad out seasonal releases, but still reworked as well. K.Rool is the first vet from S1 and comes with a Bananza stage based on the finale (Hence the DLC delay for "spoilers")>Almost every character now has a more "unified" design based off of their most iconic appearance, think Zelda getting her ALTTP look. This also lets Nintendo tidy up the Mario and Zelda casts some now they're somewhat more aligned with the movies (No Chris Pratt, but OOT-style Link and so on.)>NewcomersA tough one considering the scaling back being made here as a lot of my desired newcomers are because of the already large roster size (I don't think Travis warrants a spot out of 30, but he warrants a spot in a roster of 80, etc.)>Ditto as a left-field rep and a 3rd base-game pokemon, heavy Pokopia inspiration>Crash>Chosen Undead/Tarnished/From Rep (Use the Nightreign costumes as the basis for alternate armors)This brings it up to 35 base game roster, which is a little bigger than other Fighters, as they tend to launch with 20-30, but a much more condensed one than the Ultimate roster.
>>739114984>>739115134How would you even incorporate Sigurd’s horse into his moveset, without just making it another lame Blue Falcon knockoff final smash?
>>739116505How come Yoshi was excluded from the other original 12? What'd he do wrong?I do agree Ditto would be a really cool left-field rep though. There's a lot of cool potential ideas you could explore with it. Moveset where it turns into the opponent? A conglomerate of various different moves from other fighters? It turning into random pokemon for each different attack? Moveset based around Pokopia? There's a lot of ideas...
>>739116660Make the horse like Zelda’s phantom knight summon.
>>739116787>What did Yoshi do wrongNothing, I'm just a retard.
>>739116660Would it really be that janky if Sigurd was just mounted the whole time? Smash has no mounted characters so far
>>739115405I also want Smash 6 to take the Street Fighter 6 approach (hey both are number 6!) and reveal each DLC before they release. Sure it might ruin the speculation nature of the games but never forget people were really hyping up the 5th DLC of Fighter Pass 1, even Sakurai himself in the presentation only for it to be yet more junk food FEslop.
>>739116335Always makes me happy to see Tails instead of Shadow in those lists.Fuck that boring edgelord.
They're in.
>>739116941I think blaze would be great if sakurai wanted a left field pick.
>>739116335Lol this is just Ultimate 2.0 Deluxe which Ultimate itself is Smash 4 2.0 which Smash 4 is Brawl 2.0I wouldn’t be surprised if Smash 6 reused the same Brawl Victory Themes are voices.
GIVE ME SHANTAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>739116893>let's remove speculation in a series where speculation is more popular than the game itselfNintendo and Sakurai are aware of that, so expect the next Smash game to rely even more on speculation.
>>739117121What point are you trying to make here anon
>GIVE ME SHANTAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>739117368i look like this and say this
>>739117121Ugh, remove sephy and represent one of the other 15+ games in the series. I hope the 7 dick sucking ends once the demake is finished.
>>739075932I'm excited for the new Star Fox game. Curious if the cast in Smash will receive large redesigns based on the new game, or if they will be kept largely the same with some minor design tweaks to reference the new game. Like how Ultimate adjusted their designs based on Zero.
>>739117412Sure, Sephiroth is removed and replaced with Zack, because you only said 7 and not Crisis Core
>>739116787Yoshi debuted as an item power up for Mario, in another universe I could see Yoshi being an item or assist trophy. And speaking of items. What are some ideas for new items you guys would like to see. I very shocked Sonic never got an item in Smash like the shield or elemental shields or rings that power you up like Golden Plains Stage coins. Forget characters and stages, let’s explore and think of new items.https://youtu.be/BJ5bfse7El0
>>739117412at least pick a non sword character for some variety if it has to be 7id even take leggings+sports bra tifa over him
It's way too difficult to make actual significant cuts. Most of the characters who are minor enough cut to are characters that I think are cool. Most of the characters that I would personally cut are either essential rep for their series or provide enough of a somewhat-unique gameplay function to make me hesitate.
>>739116941For me it’s Amy! Much like how Sephiroth was a left field wild card pick. Mines would be Amy as the second Sonic Rep.
>>739117340>What point are you trying to make here anonI want a Reboot, not fucking Ultimate Deluxe>>739117412I too have FF7 fatigue, if Square was based we’d have Black Mage already.
Would Gilgamesh (Fate) work in Smash?
This is what I managed before giving up, it's too hard to strike a balance between cutting down on bloat, keeping exciting rep and keeping cool gameplay functions in the game.>why would you cut ryuI think the idea of letting Akuma be the shoto fighting game rep is funny because he has a history of being a guest fighter, he also has a fun moveset
>>739117762based!
Smash is a Japan gameSakurai doesn't need to worry about what those gaijin thinkhttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79809487
>>739118590cutie
>>739109462she's pretty fun in ultimate dough, she's floaty but she has a lot of space control and pretty good normals. there's definitely some parts of her current smash kit that i would miss
>>739118657>samus herself is lower than ridleyexplain this
>>739118657Two nukes weren't enough
>>739118812Japs barely play Metroid and most know Ridley because he was a boss in Brawl
>>739075932I don't think anyone is getting cut personally, so I'll just post whom I think some of the newcomers might be.High chances:- Waluigi (at this point Sakurai must've heard all the requests)- Ring Fit Trainee (massively successful game, fun design, potentially great moveset)- Pokopia's Ditto (Sakurai has wanted to include a Ditto for the longest time and this is the perfect opportunity)- Krystal (Star Fox is getting a big revival, also was an assist trophy)- DK and Pauline (New moveset based on Bananza transformations and Pauline's voice attacks, might even be a separate character from regular DK)- Shadow or Knuckles (Sonic has been in 4 smash games and he's still the only representative from his franchise, come the fuck on)- Leon Kennedy (The face of one of the biggest franchises in the world to still not have any smash representation)- The Tarnished (Same as above)- Dante (Same as above)- Chun Li (One of the most important women characters in gaming ever)Mid chances:- Dixie Kong (Hasn't been highlighted in a DK game in forever, but she is still a highly requested character)- Peppy or Slippy or both (Star Fox is getting a big revival yada yada but they're not much of a fighter)- Karate Joe (from Rhythm Heaven, however he is difficult to make a moveset for)- Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden is an historical franchise that has recently seen a big revival, but still not as big as others)- Sekiro aka Wolf (The only named protagonist in From Software's soulsborne games, and very agile unlike all the others, however he is only in one game)- Zero (Highly requested character and badass design, but out of the spotlight for a long time)- Alucard (Highly requested character, but Castlevania already has two reps)(Continues...)
>>739119060Low chances: - Raven Beak (fucking awesome character, but he's only a boss in one of the Metroid games)- Lara Croft (One of the most important women characters in gaming ever, but she's not from a Japanese franchise)- Kazuma Kiryu (The face of one of the biggest franchises in the world to still not have any smash representation, however he's kinda generic and the franchise is too mature for smash)- Bub and Bob (Main characters from Bubble Bobble, a historical classic franchise with 40 years of history, could have a great unique moveset)- Arthur (Main character from Ghosts n Goblins, a historical classic franchise with 40 years of history)- Bill and Lance (from Contra, another classic long running franchise)- Marco, Tarma, Eri and Fio (from Metal Slug, Sakurai is a SNKfag and the franchise is getting revived this year)Copium:- Geno (kek)- Sans (lmao)- Shantae (this one saddens me but she has no chance in hell)We know we're gonna get a new pokemon and a new fire emblem character, that much is obvious, so I didn't even care to add them in the list.Thoughts?
>>739119060>I don't think anyone is getting cutestablishing that nobody will be cut in any smash game from now until forever seems unreasonable, you're saying that you have to negotiate with disney to nab sora every time you want to make a new game for the rest of history
>>739118657>Smash Ult. sales: 37.76 million>sales in Japan: 5.910.721 (15%)
>>739119060>Waluigi (at this point Sakurai must've heard all the requests)Sakurai heard the requests since the Release of BrawlHe simply doesn't care as he personally doesn't like the character
>>739119140Ok, but on the other hand smash ultimate sold 37 million copies and Nintendo is a huge corporation that has collaborated with Disney many times already. I don't think it's that unreasonable.
Make it happen
it doesn't matter that she is part of the 12 og, Jigglypuff should be cut
>>739119406I'd love it but I just don't think two green space marines are feasible, even if I think they would probably play very differently (highly mobile glass cannon for doomguy, tankier zoner for chief)
>>739119564I'd be fine with just one or the otherBut the Doom and Halo universes would be absolute perfect fits within the boundaries of Smash's gameplay, especially the latter even though it has no real Nintendo presence as of yet
just going to dump my newcomer hopes 4 fun>Doomguyfantastic revival, very relevant to the history of games, great moveset potential, easy top 1>ChiefIf Doomguy doesn't happen, cool runner up as a legendary shooter rep and a callback to the console war era>The Traveler (Outer Wilds)Fantastic game, fun spaceman look, can imagine the stage potential, can imagine a setplay moveset playing with gravity manipulation >HornetIt's Silksong, her or the Knight are no-brainers and she's more of a character>Chellall-time-classic puzzle game, fun valve rep, excuse to have ellen mclain voice glados in smash, can imagine a setplay moveset similar to the traveler with physics and portals>Mach Rider/Mike Jonesone or the other, retro reps are fun>Wonder RedGreat game from 2nd party, total never-ever at this point, got memoryholed even with a steam port >Travis Touchdownhasn't had a good game in ages but it'd still be cool to see >Sam & MaxTotal, 100% self-indulgent never-ever
Which VN franchise do you think should be in Smash? Ideally one that isn’t Famicom Detective Club or Danganronpa or Phoenix Wright or Professor Layton
>>739075932I'm way more interested in the stages. I have faith in the roster being fine, but god is the stage selection in Ultimate awful. So many stages have some shitty gimmick, walk-off or other dumb shit that makes fighting your opponent a pain. But turning off the yellow devil on the Megaman stage automatically also disables the platforms. Why is Sakurai so retarded about stages?
>>739118497Hey anon you cannot please everyone so you might as well please yourself while being yourself. Everyone has their own opinions.Solid lineup so far!
>>739119903>names all the VNs that are most likely to be in smash because they have history with nintendo and the popularity to matchdevilishidk the dude from unicorn overlord
>>739118657Well if that’s the case, I’m allowed to criticize and dislike a character that’s added. Even more so if I have to pay for that character.
>>739119060>Waluigi (at this point Sakurai must've heard all the requests)Watch Sakurai half ass or make Waluigi boring as much he did Ridley. Ridley kinda already feels like that “fuck fine, here’s that character you guys begged for endlessly”.
Susie from Deltarune
>>739120249I actually love playing Ridley. absurdly high potential damage output? long reach? good recovery with solid airgame? a command grab? seems good 2 mebanjo was the one where i was like "damn people really wanted this guy and he came out this dull"
>>739119460Cut out fucking Jigglypuff for Christ's sake, it only exists because they could reuse Kirby’s base for and didn't know how to put Mewtwo in during 64. It's an irrelevant shitmon these days.
>>739119903>Which VN franchise do you think should be in Smash?Fate is easily the most deserving one, but if I had to pick one I'd choose Muramasa or Demonbane because a mecha rep would be kino.
>>739120371good taste
>>739120005>idk the dude from unicorn overlordAlain (right) would get so much hate for having Blue Hair and wielding a Sword despite being from a much better game not named “Burning Insignia” or whatever.
>>739120330Banjo was even worse since you had to pay for him, while Ridley and K. Rool were base roster.
>>739120330Banjofags are incredibly obnoxious, I'm glad Banjo ended up being a boring shit tier character.
>>739120371I want Saber or Shirou or Archer or Gilgamesh in Smash so bad…
>>739116893>DLCThere is a good chance we don't get any DLC. Nintendo has been doing it far more infrequently. The last game that got it was Bananza and it was probably to recoup cost of the game. Mario Kart World hasn't gotten shit besides a battle mode and its been out for almost a year at this point.
>>739120928there is literally no way that a smash game comes out and they don't take advantage of the free money that releasing additional hyped characters offers
>>739120928>Mario Kart World hasn't gotten shit besides a battle mode and its been out for almost a year at this point.THAT BAD? And still no Diddy Kong? How do people still put up with Nintendo's shit?
>>739075932I genuinely hope they just focus on Nintendo IPs and stop shilling so many 3rd parties. >>739120928A lot of those Switch 2 editions basically are DLCs to be fair. Like look at the Mario Party and Mario Wonder ones.
>>739121172That's probably way too high as well. Remember that each series gets its own stage, music, assist, ect. More third parties not only increase the cost through licensing fees but also the minimum amount of content they have to make. Ultimate only worked because all the stages were reused from previous games. Splatoon and Castlevania only got new stages because they HAD to get new ones. The rest was all DLC. No matter what direction they go, there are going to be massive cuts to the third party side for various reasons.
>>739119895>solar system stage that travels to various planets with varied gravity and hazards>uses gravity crystals to manipulate the traveler's own gravity, their opponents', and the traveler's projectile, Little Scout>aerial focused moveset with a lot of unpredictable floundering and crashing using their jetpack would it be privileged?
>>739075932>CutsPichuChromSnakePkmn Trainer (but keep the 3 mons a la sm4sh Charizard)Koopa kids (keep bowser Jr, but including koopa kids make smash feel like mario kart or some shit)SimonRichterIsabelleIncineroarJokerHeroBKSteveSora>Merge as a altDark SamusDaisyDr MarioKen>NewcomersDoesn't matter what I want, I'm not in any of the target demographics, so all my wants are never eversI would almost consider getting a switch 2 for the new smash if the adventure mode was a bigger version of melee's (with character worlds, not just generic environments like most of SSE and WoL), and they brought back smash run
>>739121438attacks that get stronger at higher velocities encouraging you to set up stuff like gravity slingshots sounds pretty cool as well
>>739120928Nintendo is not in a desperate state like they were during the Wii U and early Switch 1 era. Maybe they’re waiting for sales to slow down and then they’ll start dropping DLC for MKW. Bananza getting DLC and not Odyssey is so funny looking back from now.
>>739120928You don't count Switch 2 editions with new content as dlc? If anything there's been a lot lately
ive never played smash but in imo onion they should add twinbee
>>739122356based
Anybody that thinks Bowser Jr/Rosalina, Charizard/Lucario, Villager/Isabelle, Meta Knight, Ridley, Shulk/Pyra/Mythra, Byleth, or Olimar is getting cut is retarded. All of them have good reasons to stay. >>739097275>ZSS in demoted to costumesHow would that even work? They have completely different moves and models. >>739099196You really think they're giving any 3rd party series a 2nd rep after gutting the roster that hard?>>739121735Does anyone actually want the faggot caterpillar in Mario Kart or is it just that he was assumed to be a safe prediction?
>>739120319Toby is really autistic about letting other people play with his toys.
>>739122848establishing that nobody will be cut in any smash game from now until forever seems unreasonable, you're saying that you have to negotiate with disney to nab sora every time you want to make a new game for the rest of history
>>739122981why did you copy my post..... is this like that time someone framed me as a spambot and got me banned
>>739123180That's scary. I'd stop using this site if that happened to me.
>>739122180Those are all to re-release Switch 1 titles. The Switch 2 titles haven't gotten much. Nothing for Mario Kart. Kirby Air Riders got nothing. Mario Tennis Fever is getting nothing while Aces got post release content. Smash may fall into the same boat and they just move on once the game is finished.
danteall styles5 melee/range weaponsenemy step
Really if there is a Kirby rep, I can see it being this thing since it is in essence the antagonist of the best selling game in the series thus far.Either that or a default waddle dee, there is more potential to be had with either options.
>>739122981It is unreasonable to assume that nobody will be cut, but that wasn't the point. What I meant was that it's dumb to say shit like Banjo, Game & Watch, or Ness is 100% staying when they don't get any new games and also say Isabelle is out at the same time just because you hate Animal Crossing or Byelth will be cut just because you did not enjoy 3 Houses. ACNH and 3 Houses were both recent and the best selling games of their series.
Watch all this theorycrafting go out the window and Smash 6 double down on even more obscure sameface anime swordies, because glorious nippon likes it more
>>739123180Maybe you spoke facts, here’s one of my copypastasAside from the obvious Crafted World Yoshi, what's an alternate color/costume you want to see cut for Smash 6? What costumes would you add and replace?
>best chance for the king scrimblo geno to get in, square and nintendo have a good relationship, relatively recent remake of his game>very few people actually care anymorecould it happen?
>>739125668Not with Sakurai in charge as much as we all hate it
>>739126885We got the SMRPG Remak which was arguably the better outcome.Childhood is wanting Geno in Smash.Adulthood is realizing that Geno never needed to be in smash before showing up in a mario spinoff or a remake of his origin game which we got.
>>739075932List done with modern times in mind. Long dev times=money. Ultimates shtick was "Everyone is here". Due to how expensive everything is now, that will not be reasonable or feasible in the next game.-Licensing and legal contracts are expensive-wasting time on clones or near clones and irrelevant characters is a waste of dev resourcesI just wanna see ridleyfags burn the world again because its funny
>>739118657What the fuck how is Banjo that high in Japan?
I would bet $79.99 USD dollars that a Duskbloods character makes it in.
>>739126024the young modern gamers of glorious nippon like the same stuff the rest of the world likes, minecraft/fortnite/mario/pokemonSwordies and Square glazing are just because sakurai likes them
>>739075932Make Master Hand playable it's all I care about
Fuck vidya bros. Bunch of unfunny faggots.
>>739128282No way Nintendo is stupid enough to choose a Duskbloods character over fucking Elden Ring.
>>739127338>Jigglypuff, Ness, Lucas, Captain Falcon, Pit, Palutena, Little Mac, ROB, Mr. Game & Watch>wasting time on irrelevant characters is a waste of dev resources>Lucas/Falco/Wolf>wasting time on clones or near clones is a waste of dev resources>Xenoblade cut outright?????
>>739122848>How would that even work? They have completely different moves and models.Let ZSS keep the arm canon
>>739123325Mario Kart can still get DLC, I think the problem there is that it probably took them awhile to figure out how to do it exactly. World's format makes it hard to just drop new courses into the game since you have to fit it into the open world somehow and add intermission tracks, it isn't as easy as the previous games where you can just make a track and be done with it. It's a very anti-DLC game design if you aren't willing to completely throw away the game's main gimmick. Kirby Air Riders makes sense because Sakurai made it with the intention of it being "complete" and he was likely shipped off to work on Smash immediately after. I don't think Sakurai likes other people messing with his games either, so they can't just throw a new director onto it for just the DLC.I think Smash will get DLC because they only make one per system anyway, so it's not like they have to immediately move the team to the next game to try and squeeze one more out in the console's life.
>>739120330ridley is terrible and his slow moves are telegraphed as shit, i even had more fun playing banjo
>>739127338I don't think they're gonna cut K. Rool after Bananza brought him back in such a big way (the path to which WAS paved by his inclusion in Ultimate).
>>739126024That'd be based. I like swords and human characters and seeing people wanting trash like Geno and Bandana Dee get mad over it is hilarious. It was funny watching Hero get announced and then seeing retards get made fun of for months for getting mad about it.
>>739127338>cutting pac-man and sonicsonic is the end all be allpac-man was a miyamoto request, hes basically protected by god
>>739132406one time i made a 3-0 comeback in elite smash by landing skewer three times
>>739128282>>739131039I could see them adding all the protagonists from Dark Souls as one character, similar to Hero
These are the facts. It's not about what you want, it's about what's going to happen.>Sega is easy to work with, Sonic highest prio>Microsoft is easy to work with, Steve highest prio (I'm a Banjo man myself this is just facts)>Namco is making the game as they always do, Pacman first priority >Capcom is easy to work, no set first priority >Square is nightmarish to work with and won't be back>Konami is a mixed bag, but Snake would probably be first due to how popular he is if Konami got in>SNK is smol and Terry might not be back as a resultNintendo stuff is basically up to main characters first, then a tossup between major side characters and the villain depending on circumstance. With Falcon, Ness, and Game and Watch being the one off odd balls most likely to return due to seniority+Ice Climbers are never coming back because they make performance a problem. One of the species if wolf and Falco will be dlc other will be base game
>>739117443I can see them giving him a head similar to the new game, with his body staying similar to past smashes.
>>739135584>Likely but not guaranteedthe idea that sakurai would cut any of his darling kirby characters is funny
>>739137215It's gonna be first game from a reset point you're getting Meta Knight or Dedede
>>739137215>the idea that sakurai would cut any of his darling kirby characters is funnysakurai would cut them all if it meant wanking his noir dedede oc in the game
>>739137421all three of the kirby characters in the game are his OCs you lugnut
>>739135584>These are the facts. It's not about what you wantYour list says otherwise. The fact that you think they'd remove all repsentation from one of their own IP's like Min Min, Little Mac, Olimar, Duck Hunt, ICs (outside Smash 4 due to 3DS limitations), is retarded.Smash is meant to be a celebration of Nintendo IPs, so they'd keep at least 1 rep, minimum.
>>739079451>Heavy rework on Young Link (the one that by proxy represents Link as of Smash Melee)>Light rework on Toon Link (the one that ultimately is just a clone of Young Link and doesn't utilize any of the tools from his series)anon...
>>739137541those kirby characters are old news to sakurai
Does anyone else here make movesets regularlyIs it too autistic to do thathttps://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRVa9zH2M0zwQKtMxNNxgZ8gTRrZfx-9-kth6YT9XcNHxOPS3UbA1EQth6rkhbbwxQCDotfL68rtSQy/pub
>>739140618>Sora from Kingdom Hearts is not more popular in gaming than Mega Man XMost of what you said is correct but you need to be real with yourself here.
>>739127568Can't speak for Asians but Banjo back in the day was one of those seriously marketed western characters in Japan. And since Banjo is a wholesome character he made waves. And to this day Banjo has a rather unique hook for a platforming game series where exploration is the draw. Not the actual jumping around. Doubly so because Banjo Tooie made the levels interconnected.
>>739075932Ridley got in, so why not this guy.
>>739142315He should have been a recurring villain through the series instead of that bum Sylux
heres my predictionpauline and or Waluiginew pokemonnew splatoon character probably octolingseems like nintendo wants starfox to be a thing so a character from there I want crystal but peppy and slippy are possibilites the gba and gamecube are old now so I think we could get a "retro" pick from there I would want issac but maybe someone like jill from drill dozer would work too as much as people cry about it I do think we will get 2 new fe characters probably alear and then who ever they chose form fortunes weave I could see geno getting in, he's like the last scriblo pick noah or mio from xb3 writting this I feel like basically everything that really needs to be in smash already is so I really hope that the next smash has extremely weird new comers that you would never think of
fuck sakurai
>>739142315he's not a recurring villain
>>7391457581/9
pls sakurai he was on wii u
>>739135584Zero Suit is going nowhere
I'm too tired to put effort into this. Just getting OoT Adult Link back would be enough.
>>739145003i really cant see byleth being cut just to add another 3h lord
>>739149604>Just getting OoT Adult Linkwhy doesnt smah have skins anyway? it seems like such easy dlc and it would print money
>>739145003Mario doesnt need a rework
>>739147563Good image but Ridley would obviously supplant Zero Suit in the pecking order now that he's been established playableVillain>>alt form
>>739149945He needs an updated moveset that reflects him better. Stuff from Galaxy Odyssey and even Wonder to refresh him.
>>739150806Being beginner friendly reflects Mario.
>>739152330You can do that while still updating him.
>>739104376Not to mention isnt the Doom the reason why Steam exists in the first place given that Gabe worked on Win 95 port of Doom
>>739152330I never said anything against him being beginner friendly. That’s his thing in Smash. What I suggested was to refresh his moveset to better represent the more modern Mario. Same goes for the rest of the original 12. Refreshing them. Also expect Donkey Kong to get a lot of stuff from Bananza.
>>739110856
If Smash was to ever sell veterans as DLC again, it will be received very negatively in a post Ultimate world. Smash 4 was able to get away with it given that it's pre-Ultimate and two of the three veteran DLC had to effectively be remade from scratch. Now if another Smash game attempted that, a large chunk of fans would be pissed seeing that they're charging for select characters when they were all included with no extra cost in Ultimate.Especially if they don't change much from previous Smash games.
Anyone expecting anything other than Smash Ultimate Switch 2 Edition with the previous DLC fighters included and a new fighter ballot is an idiot.
>>739135584Who cares, cut all the queer 3rd Parties
>>739138736Im sure he's one of those guys who want young link to be a majoras mask rep instead of being child link from oot
Harvest Moon Farmer isn’t talked about enough. Harvest Moon is what influenced the massive farming sim genre.
>>739075932My roster is correct.
>>739156487No, you have far too many unnecessary characters in the “KEEP” category.
>>739156487>N>Sans>HajimeCute girl made this list
>>739156591Also MH is never going to be in smash, considering Ultimate was their best shot and they didnt get in. The MH team seems clear that they want the monsters to be the stars and not the hunters
>>739156487This is one of the worst one of these I've ever seen, congratulations
>>739156487>thinking they're going to bring back all of the squeenix charactersWe're more likely to get Waluigi as a newcomer and I'm not even joking
>>739156487>Kodaka charactersWorst list yet.
>>739135584>Easy to work withThis is such a stupid meme. All these companies want to the licensing fee. Being "easy to work with" is more that those companies are totally fine whoring out the IP than other companies are. I don't know how Smash fans haven't figured out yet that this shit isn't free
>>739075932Would you be satisfied with this?Would you buy the DLC?
>>739159274NoAbsolutely not
>>739159423Can you elaborate on why?
>>739075932>CutPokemonFire Emblem Characters>NewcomersSee picrel
>>739112881>>739113175I know this is half shitposting but no one, not even Sakurai, is this anal over differing visions. He wasn't like this for the first Air Ride, why would he do this when they'd most likely want Smash 6 to *feel* different?
This thread makes me hate third party picks even more
Skull Kidbros, is this our chance?
>>739160242NoWhy would it be
>>739079873We just need to hold out for the Switch 2 port to generate consent demand for more KI stuff
