You ever wish you got to see more of a character in a game before, even when you know they were never meant to be anything more than a background character?
>>739081338The only character here I actually think is anything special is Dina, and she's just alright.
>>739081338I bet that must be an extremely odd feeling for the devs who made that character
>>739081550Dina is pretty neat, I did like the gunshop owner. I remember calling it as soon as I entered the shop, that he would accidentally fire the gun scaring the shit out of himself, and when it happened it still made me chuckle a little.
>>739081338Vendy is missing from that pic, but people in general forget most of the Steamworks
It is actually unbelievable how much I love the bird.
It seems the SpookyDood video did boost a bit of DRY's popularity since yesterday
>>739081338Any opinions on Cooking With Kindness?
Whoever is responsible for the recent influx of images of Ceroba on a toilet being uploaded to esix should be shot.
>>739082289The devs shoving their politics in the game makes me a bit hesitant to play it
>>739082289The discussion I've seen around it hasn't motivated me to prioritize playing it sooner rather than later.
>>739082289I still haven't gotten a solid answer on whether the shark guy wears BDSM gear in-game at any point.
>>739081550Blackjack is neat and is involved in one of the funniest interactions in the gameI have an affection for Bits and Buttons just because of how utterly pointless the character(s) is>full set of items that serve literally no purpose outside Pacifist and Genocide because the run is about to immediately end and Flowey's fight doesn't use Clover's stats and you can't use items at all>used for one fight in pacifist and genocide each>not only has a proper full set of dialogue for Clover but a rarely-encountered second dialogue set for bringing Martlet>on genocide route, when the shop is empty, a silhouette of a lanky humanoid can be seen in the doorwayIt's peak
>>739082439>the sillhouetteoh shit I never noticed that before, god damn.
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>>739082349There isn't anything like that in the game itself, aside from some pronouns (which are expected in an UT game). I really wasn't expecting the reaction to that one image, I think it gave the wrong impression of the game that happened too early
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>>739082501>>739082567Izzat +1000000. Based BrahminGOD btfoing the Undertale Dalitslop.
So ignoring the guy who hates video game discussion.what should I write first.Zenith Martlet forgets the anniversaryorZenith Martlet returns to anon after a long trip.
>>739082349I won't call it "shoving their politics" but it certainly feels gayer than Undertale, even more if we keep in mind how short it is, maybe I'm being more lenient since it's a UT fangame and I was expecting it to be gay.>>739082431I played it till the end, he doesn't, but you do get a line that implies he used to be a woman.
>>739082661I kinda like the second one a bit better myself, could do some interesting stuff with the longing for each other that they'd both be feeling.
>>739082708>spoilerNo yeah, I know that, but my biggest concern would be if he ran around dressed like a gimp, that'd be much more immediately off-putting.
>>739082773The game isn't done yet, maybe we'll see the gimp outfit later
>>739082708>spoilerWhere did you find that out from?
Hey, do you guys think Wiki has one of those stubby little tails goats have?
Taking my head out from between Martlets legs and having blue feathers stuck in my teeth and around my mouth
>>739082947Of couese she does, she has the fluffiest goat tail among her family
>>739083128I wonder if her tail would wag uncontrollably if she was happy...Man, I love applying cutesy traits to someone who is also a terrifying killer sometimes.
this image an anon posted made me want want to not even touch CWK.the setup is perfect for any other punchline but they went with>erm dont assume gender chud!tells me everything i need to know about the game and that i shouldnt invest any time into it.
>>739083352it feels like that same joke could be made in undertales setting, but be made ever so slightly less preachy.in fact, I think you just have to remove the second text box from it.
i'm the Ceroba collectori'm here to collect your cerobas, if you have any, please leave them here
>>739083513Here, you may have this roba.>>739082971I think you may have a point.
>>739083513https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kmFQmzBwtU
Checking out Undertale Green was a great idea. This is kind of dumb and amateurish yet hilarious since they don't just turn to dust.
>>739083352That image is pretty much the only instance of something like that being a punchline, and it's entirely optional. It's otherwise a normal fangame with a unique concept but nothing crazy.If you're not interested in playing the game that's fine, but giving up on a fangame over one joke seems incredibly petty.
>>739083513Ceroba smooch
>>739083689kekcan't fault him, it's probably a kid
>>739083695now to be fair, it's one joke, but we've also seen exceedingly little of the actual game content so far. It's kind of a "random quality test" situation where we've seen some negatives, but almost none of the positive aspects posted.
>>739083689Isn't it justified with some infection or something>>739083695There was a joke on the ACAB movement too
>>739083689I still can't fucking believe this screenshot is real.>>739083781>Isn't it justified with some infection or somethingapparently, but it's not explained anywhere in the game, and is only handwaved to be as such by the devs years later.
>>739083781>There was a joke on the ACAB movement tooThat's not really a movement so much as it is just a thing some people say sometimes.
>>739081338Honeydew bitch is good>>739082289Absolute troonshit
>>739083689Can you imagine an alternate universe where Green was the first full-length fangame to be finished instead of Yellow?What would these threads be like in that nightmarish world?
>>739083850I hesitate to get involved in this conversation but there definitely was, unsure if there still is, a movement demanding police reform that used that phrase as its signifier. People do say it without being a part of that movement, but I'd say it counts, just like how capital A Anonymous was a real activist group even though few lowercase a anonymous posters here had anything to do with it
>>739083941I genuinely can't imagine the threads having come about from something like green. Green is funny as a shitpost, but it's not good.
>>739083413see, what irks me is that the first box is an amazing setup for a punchline.i said it last time but,>you can tell because all of her grandchildren clocks line the wallsit'd be perfect>start the joke with an "unexpected thing" thats related to the first>finish it off with a third, but still related, even more unexpected thing>>739083695between that, the "AGAB" image, and THIS >>739082883i really just dont want to give it the time of day.i do not want to be constantly reminded of real world politics while trying to enjoy the funny animal creatures that i turn to specifically to escape the real world politics.
>>739083887Hey, don't call her that! Her father is a polar bear you know.
>>739084018Hey, maybe in another world everyone here is a dedicated Codyne shipper instead of Kanaclover, you don't know.
>>739083781Hey woah man, you're gonna spoil this fan game demo for me that's 6 years old.>>739083834This is maximum kino. Even just the enemy attacks are funny, some of them just don't make much sense.>>739083941Every thread is just buff Cody killing everyone with kindness.
>>739082913From one of his dialogues at the end of the demo being a "seahorsegirl" in this context is used as him being into ponies (sea horses) as a little girl>>739083352>>739083352There was another joke that I felt could have been worked better, but it's not as blatant as the clock and ACAB things, there's also one line that I think could be interpreted as trans stuff but that might be me reaching.
They’re just making Undertale AUs for other properties now. It’s so over.
>>739083941Probably the same Yellow threads, but with more Green references depending on whatever could've come out of a full game.Unironically I think they should've just rolled with the silliness and carried it through over starting from scratch. A finished game that's not very good but funny is better to me than a game that might be good but will never come out (at least within this decade).
>>739084050>i do not want to be constantly reminded of real world politics while trying to enjoy the funny animal creatures that i turn to specifically to escape the real world politics.the thing is, fantasy and scifi can be used to highlight real world issues in a tactful way. They do this usually by avoiding actually using REAL world politics, and using alegory and also trying to tell it's own story first.I don't mind that Toby is a masive gay positive something or another, his jokes aren't being made USUALLY for the purpose of "see? look at this real world thing!" (the plug darkner joke in chapter 2 is actually a significant diversion from his normal modus operandi in this case).Star trek had a lot of good stuff and was telling a lot of politically charged stories, but you can tell the difference between TOS and newer stuff when yeah, TOS was cheesy as fuck about "a race of black and white people vs a race of white and black people" compared to new trek "uses footage of the january 6th stuff as "the things that led to the eugenics wars" for the setting.I don't see the beginnings of the tact needed when I see some of the jokes kindness is testing the waters with.
>>739084284Hasn't LISA been doing this longer than Undertale?
>>739084284You sure that's a bad thing?
>>739084176>6 years old.NTA, but, excuse me?I thought this demo was from like, 2017 or something, you mean to tell me this came out in the 20's?
>>739084218>>739083695>>739083779Jokes that fall flat aside, the game was fine, but I'm not a fan of the gameplay style, I like the battles in Undertale and the RPG aspect, this game seems more tailored for people that are into Cozy games like Stardew Valley, which is fine, I can enjoy those games, but its not what I'm looking for in a UT fangame.
>>739084357This is why despite all the stuff in DR, anons still like it. it doesn't shove it all in your face and walks in its lane but that will end if suselle is confirmed in any way, shape or form
>>739084404I'm not sure, gamejolt says over 6 years ago for the most recent build.
>>739083781>There was a joke on the ACAB movement tooiirc it wasn't directly about that, something about dogs. I saw the joke but didn't know about the reference when I read it, I think it'd fly over most people's heads reading it too.
>>739084464suselle might as well be confirmed. I've made peace with the fact that toby is a massive yurifag, and even worse, he loses the ability to think when 2 girls are on the screen at the same time.
>>739084552>I saw the joke but didn't know about the reference when I read it, I think it'd fly over most people's heads reading it too.NTA, but the joke was directed at the royal guard, who are the stand ins for police in the Underground, they are called dogs because of the Snowdin canine unit, I think most of the people that play fangames (who have spent too much time on twitter) will get the reference, not enough to ruin the game to me, but it is a clear reference to a real world political opinion, it would be like the "YWNBAD" joke from the other thread appearing on a 4chan fangame, some people wouldn't catch it, but the core audience would
>>739082883The other cancelled Green fangame low-diffs Cooking With Kindness in the gayness powerscaling btw.
>>739084880Which game was that?
>>739084464I don't speak for anyone but myself but I can forgive Suselle if one of two things happens>it's optional and part of a choice (this idea is most likely copium)>the Weird Route continues to make my penis the big penis with Weird Kriselle and/or SoulelleWe'll never get the optimal ending where Noelle realizes her crush on Susie isn't actually based on Susie's personality but rather her masochistic fantasies of Susie as a bully who roughs people up, and that Susie's initial front is nothing like how she is deep down, but it might not be a total disaster. Maybe. I pray.
>>739081338I wished Deltarune Halloween Hack had more of Jericho.
>>739084923This one, it tried too hard to be UTY 0.5, it had an Alpaca girl that was pretty much Martlet but worse, a plot revolving around the Perseverance soul attacking a main cast member in the past, and a main villain who went crazy because his crush (Chujin) married a woman, it also had like 2 trans characters.Most of this info was taken from the design docs they leaked after the game got cancelled.
>>739084983Anon, give me your copium, I don't want to see you overdosing on it once Deltarune releases.
>>739085179holy shit that green soul is flat as fuck>and a main villain who went crazy because his crush (Chujin) married a womanSeriously? or is it just a character that was "like chujin"?
>>739082285By how much?
>>739082439>on genocide route, when the shop is empty, a silhouette of a lanky humanoid can be seen in the doorwayWhat does it mean?
>>739085259>Seriously? or is it just a character that was "like chujin"?It was literally Chujin, they tried too hard to connect the game with Yellow, the neutral ending they had planned was pretty much a copy of UTY's neutral ending, with the monster friend getting killed by Flowey and everything.
>>739085239Even if Deltarune is perfect in every way I've more-or-less been postponing my suicide since 2018 waiting for it to come out, I can't see myself lasting long after we get Chapter 7. Don't cry for me, I'm already dead
>>739085179such slander, everyone knows humans with purple souls can do no wrong
>>739085405Bradley trying to redeem the reputation of purple souls everywhere by working the 2-10 shift until he dies.
>>739084380what
>>739085259he was a rat that was chujin's co worker and had a crush on him
>>739085387that honestly makes it all so much funnier. I'm surprised I never heard of it before.Would have been better off just making a fanfic than trying to make that mess a game.
>>739085551Damn, Chujin had to politely tell him that he wasn't gay, and the dude went fucking insane. Chujin probably didn't even notice because he was too busy going insane himself.
>>739085542LISA, i.e. LISA The Painful and LISA The Joyful etc., has a massive fangame scene I'm told. The games are made in RPGMaker so there's less of a barrier to entry than UTDR fangames
>>739085560It makes me wish the other dead fangames posted their design docs, or raw txt files with their ideas since I assume most of them don't actually have a design docs.
>>739085664>since I assume most of them don't actually have a design docs.it's honestly impressive to me that they had a design doc for this one. I mean that's probably the one angle I can actually give them credit for. They knew what they wanted to do, it just wasn't worth doing.
>>739084173>CodyneHow would that pairing even work? Would Undyne just toss Alphys after he's resurrected?
>>739085551>>739085259>>739085179I'm legitimately fascinated by this level of crazynessi'd legitimately sit down and listen to this tranny ramble about his fanfictions while I silently nod while I kek on the inside
>>739085179since they were aping yellow so hard does this mean that the alpaca girl would have had a zenith form tooimagine the fluff
>>739085551>losin' cheddarSounds like Mo's even less successful cousin
>>739085789>Undyne ditching her girlfriend to go after a 10 years old boyYou just know Alphys would find that to be extremely hot
>>739085849maybe, sad that she is dead
>>739085789Maybe Cody was Undyne's first love, and Alphys is just Undyne settling because Cody's dead.
>>739085849No, the genocide boss was intended to be a ghost pepper girl or something like that, she did use a DT syringe (I think it was that or purple soul juice) to go Zenith tho.
>>739085970do we have any pics of this girl?
>>739085916If a major fangame (in the hypothetical where this game got finished and became infamous) made one of Toby's lesbians bisexual we wouldn't've gotten the mandate of heaven in the 10th anniversary
>>739085970Sorry, so you're telling us that this game was just UTY, but a little bit to the side?
>>739084284AUs weren't invented by Undertale. You can blame comic books for that. I saw a Marvel comic the other day that was literally a UT style swap AU.
>>739085892(better image for quality)Is it possible to salvage her character for any reason? Or will Twitter throw a hissy fit over their OC being used on 4chan? ik she's basically Martlet 2.0, but I liked her design
>>739086002Perhaps, but Toby has already relinquished the matrix of leadership to us, and with it we may un-lesbianize any of his characters that we wish.
>>739086064I feel like she needs to have a longer neck and be "more" alpaca. Like martlet, they did her the great service of giving her wing hands instead of just giving her normal arms and then wings on her back. This creature would we way cuter if it tried to take more inspiration from it's animal side.
>>739084415I feel like this would be a perfect game for me if it was less tumblr-y
>>739084284nigger, who caresUTY was awesome for a fangame, I rather have more of that, I can just ignore the garbageis not like the gender obsessed troons are going to make anything decent anyway, we just need to wait for the 1 based dev that cares about the project and actually makes something decent
>>739086037>Sorry, soSay that again
>>739085886What if Alphys is the one trying to get them back together so she can be NTR'd?
>>739086230It's amazing how much I manage to forget this guys existence.I like how he has that "sideways snout" thing going on like the infamous wolf picture.
>>739086064not a bad design, as >>739086147 anon said, she needs a bigger neck or just change her to be a sheep
>>739085405Bradley has a Grimace soul?
>>739085395Nta, but why don't you try picking up a project to work on. Completing Oldentale is currently my main reason for living, and it works pretty well for that.
>>739085998I tried to find a pic, but it's extremely hard to find into on this game since there's like 5 different fangames titled "Undertale Green", I only got pics of the protag and that concept art of the alpaca girl that has already been posted.>>739086037Pretty much, but gayer.
>>739085551>>739085606Then of course there needs to be a female monster scientist who had a crush on him, and went insane when she found out he was a gay.
>>739085179why do they need so many connections to other games or bits of the lore is my questionI'd avoid every character in the main game like the plague, especially because I did not make them
>>739086651I think they just wanted to be the next UTY and have a community talking about their OCs, they didn't want to tell an story about kindness or explore the world of Undertale in a new way
>>739085551Are you serious?Like, that's the actual reason this guy's a villain, he got hit with the "I'm not gay, Greg" and flew off the handle?
>>739086064I don't think they're gonna come here and lose their shit if some anonymous nobody steals their oc on a secluded thread on a basket weaving forum
>>739086641just an everlasting cascade of scientists having crushes and their specific crush being straight or gay, is the real reason the steamworks shut down.Monsterkind is not as much of a threat as humanity once suspected due to this, and actually calmed down a lot on the surface, with the presence of humans of all persuasions being fanatically attracted to monsters.
how would you make an evil/genocide/weird route with someone like Kindness?
>>739086230I bet So Sorry is Kanako's number one commissioner on UnderAffinity.
>>739086783I think so, at least this is his snippet from the game's doc
>>739085606Poor guy was rejected by one of the few straight monsters on the Underground, it really took a hit on his mental health.>>739086641Were do we factor in monsters that are non-binary/secret third thing in all of this?
>>739086870a character who thinks he knows what's best for everyone, and believes that by forcing his will on others, he's being kind.A real "greater good" taken to extremes. Shouldn't be a pure genocide route, as the character believes he is helping people, and very few people should be "I'm helping you by killing you" if any.
>>739086870Mercy killing
>>739086939here is some more stuff
>>739086870We theorized about this a lot when UTY first came out and my favorite answer was to make it impossible for the character to FIGHT at the start of the game—that is to say, their LOVE is 0—but you as a player can manipulate actions to inadvertantly cause harm to others, until eventually you push things far enough that you gain the choice to intentionally hurt an NPC and your LV raises to 1, at which point you can start killing.
>>739086839How did that guy not know Chujin was straight, when he was married before he came to the Steamworks?
>>739086870Have a character who is just straight up bad. And by being kind to that character, you make things worse for everyone else.Suicidal empathy, if you will.
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>>739086870There was an idea I thought it was really cool, the main monster "friend" in this game would be a psycho who wants to go to the surface and exterminate mankind, the genocide route would be all about following his orders since "that's what friends do", the human under the pretense that he really wants to help monsterkind and mankind as a whole, this being a parallel to Asriel and Chara's relationship
>>739086939>He can breakdanceOk, I actually respect adding random irrelevant details like that to characters.
>>739087058
>>739087027maybe he's a genuinely bad person and wanted chujin to leave his wife for him?
>>739086940>Were do we factor in monsters that are non-binary/secret third thing in all of this?They only like (gender the chud monster isn't)
>>739087027Maybe he was an autist that lusted after Chujin from a distance but never bothered to ask about his personal life
>>739086939>>739087005>>739087058Jesus.I've heard some of the devs around here are afraid of their writing coming off as self-indulgent or otherwise bad, but I don't think I've ever seen something like this come out of these threads before.
>>739087005I like how much people downplay that chujin made a fully sentient ai every time axis is brought up. Yes Axis was flawed but it's so actively played down that it's comical at this point. It's like people stopped realizing how big a deal that is because LLMs are called ai as a marketing stunt.
>>739086956Maybe he's like Thanos.
>>739086939>>739087005>>739087058>>739087110>faggot>depressed and most likely shows signs of BPD>multiple addicitons>programmeri know people can't help but self insert but come the fuck on brothere is something about people nowadays on the Internet who can't fucking help but traumadump on every space they inhabit
>>739087235The guy who made him probably wishes Chujin wasn't canonically straight
>>739087235It's funny seeing writing outside of here because you "can't" give advice or criticism if it's not asked for, and writing that is full on just trauma dumping gets praised because it makes people feel a twinge somewhere in their black hearts.And yeah writing is supposed to evoke emotions, but it's more like a lightbulb shorting out than a full on current. People get reinforced on the idea that some of the most overdone stuff is good.And yeah it's ok to be self indulgent but balance is key when the writing is actually for a greater audience and isn't a vent piece.
>>739087102>genocide route final boss
>>739087121Maybe he projected his gayness onto Chujin, and assumed his wife was a beard, and that he didn't really love her, and got mad because Chujin would rather "live a lie for appearances than be honest about his true feelings".>>739087168Chud faggot rat
The gay rat is gonna become a new thread joke, isn't he?
>>739087462I don't know if there's enough content to actually make him a running joke, but it is kind of funny. I mean shit, I'm sure that's a relatable angst for actually gay people, being attracted to someone who's not gay, but with how much this is just "yellow but mom said it's my turn to be gay" it just makes it really funny.
>>739087462We discovered him over a year ago when that game got cancelled, but I think this is the first time people have talked this much about him
>>739087525>"yellow but mom said it's my turn to be gay"Terrifying sentence, but accurate.
>>739087462people shit on UTY for not being about Clover and for the 2nd half being mainly about Ceroba but compared to the shit that's being put out, it's pretty fucking good in comparisonyou never really appreciate talent until you see the kind of garbage that lacks it
>>739087569Well, at least he's finally getting his chance to shine.Maybe him and all the other characters whose games got cancelled can have cameo appearances in other games, who knows.Say, what got this game cancelled anyway?
>>739085606How do we know Chujin wasn't gay? Maybe he was just keeping it down low...>>739087110I mean, most of it was a near 1:1 copy of UTY's plot anyway. Luzen stands out the most, but I think there was another character who was secretly bi
>>739087462>>739087525You know, there's another handsome fox monster on the same age range as Chujin, he could set his sights on him instead.
>>739087674>How do we know Chujin wasn't gay? Maybe he was just keeping it down low...Chujin was extremely gay for spending his time on the lab and only having 1 kid with Ceroba
>>739087672>Say, what got this game cancelled anyway?Anxiety
>>739087838>anxious, sad, mad, even just indifferent towards utyReally thinking about that rat being a self insert again.
>>739087640>you never really appreciate talent until you see the kind of garbage that lacks itI'm sorry, you're telling me a fangame with [picrel] as its main antagonist's backstory wouldn't be the most compelling story ever told?
>>739084347They actually did? The cooking with kindness game is made by a different dev
>>739087838>I do not wish to share my personal life details here>>739087957i kneel anon, we need to see this happen
>>739087672>Maybe him and all the other characters whose games got cancelled can have cameo appearances in other games, who knows.>Necromancer boss has an attack that raises dead monsters from the dust>They all look like characters from cancelled fangamesNah, that would be too cruel, maybe they can all be in a AA (Anonymous Abjects) meeting or something
>>739087957i mean from a certain angle it could "work">the gay main villain literally just wanted to fuck one of the MC's friends (straight) who's already married>it drove him/her to such insanity that he/she became the bad guy and the only option is death>this is sadie's reason for becoming the outlaw, trying to drive kanako and cole apart so that she could claim the fox for herself.
>>739087710>>739087957>Luzen looking from a distance at Chujin and Kanako playing and getting reminded of the life he'll never have>Next to him is Shu thinking the same but with Ceroba instead
>>739088106>Nah, that would be too cruelI actually think that'd be kinda cool to see, the ghosts of fangames past.>maybe they can all be in a AA (Anonymous Abjects) meeting or somethingEh, maybe they could all just be background characters in different places of the underground, living their lives, just out of the spotlight.Maybe you can find the gay rat drinking in Grillby's still broken up about Chujin.
>>739088194>The lesbian curse itself given physical form is the final boss standing between Cole and Kanako's relationshipABSOLUTE FUCKING KINO
>>739088214Maybe they're perfect for each other.
>>739088247>>739088106There's an attack in mmz 2 that does this kind of thinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sQ2M0gxT8EIt could be done tastefully
>>739087957I'm pretty sure there are plenty of villains in good media whose point of turning evil was literally getting cucked in some way but usually they are capable people and they don't suck absolute balls like the creator wrote this guy to be
>>739086417he's committed to the brand like that
>>739088484that's pretty funny.
>>739088194Plot twist: It's actually Gizmo trying to trick Sadie into building a harem for him
>>739088247>Maybe you can find the gay rat drinking in Grillby's still broken up about Chujin.Maybe there's a fun event with a "Bar of The Broken Heroes/Dreams" like in Hotline Miami 2, but instead of the bar being full of the game's playable characters, it would be full of characters from cancelled fangames.>>739088337I was thinking of that when I made that post, the "ghosts" really went over my head since that was the second MM game I ever played.
>>739088425He's the final boss in the pacifist route of a game about a kid being kind with everyone, he could be the final boss in a really pathetic and funny kind of way, he doesn't even have a power up or anything like Ceroba did, he's just a poor man's Asriel and he's pathetic to his last moment, but that sounds more like the final boss of a comedy game and not an epic climax to a tale
>>739088624>I was thinking of that when I made that post, the "ghosts" really went over my head since that was the second MM game I ever played.fair enough. It was mostly because people view it favorably even though the characters were all effectively jobbers. But yeah a location where there are little cameos like that would work too. It doesn't have to be quite "mocking" but maybe poking a little fun and even framed as keeping the memory alive. Though that rat should definitely be mocked.
>>739088734>Though that rat should definitely be mocked.Don't blame him, he can't help how he was written.
>>739088301Shu would date Luzen but only for the free food their dates give him Luzen knows this but is too touch starved to bring it up
>>739088802But who knows, maybe they'll both develop a deeper appreciation for each other over time.
>>739088930>two absolute fucking losers dating eachother out of convenience grow closer over time because they really are all they've got.Ah shit, it works.
the idea of how to make a Kindness geno route is intriguing to me, it tickles my creative bones>two absolute fucking losers dating eachother out of convenience grow closer over time because they really are all they've got.that usually ends in absolute fucking misery if not assault or murder
>>739088802>Shu breaks up with Luzen as soon as he finds out Chujin died, which means he can go to orbit Ceroba again
>>739088962See, the two were basically made for each other.Love wins.
>>739089001it works narratively, it doesn't fix the fact that they are terrible people at heart.
>>739089001>that usually ends in absolute fucking misery if not assault or murderNah don't worry, they'll learn to appreciate each other in ways they never saw before as they grow closer to each other, they'll be perfect together.
>>739089047Hey, Shu isn't terrible... He cares for his brother
>>739089047They'll fix each other, trust the plan, believe in Shuzen.
>>739089108Even bad people can have those they care about.
>>739088962>Ah shit, it works.It's cute in a strange sort of way even if I made that post as a joke.>>739089001>that usually ends in absolute fucking misery if not assault or murderIn the real world yes, but this is UT, power of love and friendship can heal their souls if they try hard enough.>>739089108He lies to his mom and brother about his personal live tho, he's also a lolcow.
>>739089141>Being slightly arrogant is the same or even worse than being a child murderer
>>739087385What's this?
>>739089225Yes.
>>739089225I said no such thing. you can be a bad person long LONG before you kill a child.
>writing about the bird>have to stop and look up actual facts about birds before I can continue
>>739089307And on the other hand, you can also be a good person *and* kill children, provided that these are the children in question.
>>739089134Will Shu lie on the internet and say that he's dating some super hot and popular girl instead of a sad chud rat that pays his bills?
>>739087191>>739087235To a certain extent every writer is gonna put some of themselves in their characters, and that can be a good thing, because it lets you write from experience to create realistic and believable characters, but then you have this.
>>739089206>lolcowIs Rules Kard and Darkblade terrible as well? What about Papyrus? He as arrogant as shu
>>739089356Lots of fun facts about birds, there are.
>>739087201Its tragic really, that even the fandom thinks of Chujin as an incompetent idiot, despite his incredible achievements.
>>739089470That's false though
>>739089402Yes, absolutely, of course.But perhaps someday he'll feel confident enough in who he truly is, so that he may one day let the world see the truth.
>>739089460rules kaard is definitely a bad person, we've seen enough to know that, but he has redeeming qualities that have been ignored since chapter 1 (where he did seem to care about lancer). Papyrus is a good person through and through, just a bit dense in some areas and had his priories wrong at one point. I don't know about darkblades actual motives.
>>739089526"I choose to believe it, not because it is true, but because it is funny."-John F. Kennedy
>>739089273it's a scene from the Zoolander movie where two people fight using breakdance moves, since Luzen knows breakdancing for no fucking reason, I think we can put together a final boss for UTG>>739089402Luzen is the equivalent of the wojak fucking the fat girl
>>739089460>Is Rules Kard He's a loser without morals who only cares about being the second in command to the big boss>and Darkblade terrible as well?I dunno, he seems like a dumb kid to me which can excuse his behavior.>PapyrusPapyrus wants to make people happy, he's only arrogant because that's how heroes are meant to be
>>739089470Oh I promise you this has worked its way well into my fantasies, and I Imagine Martlet shuddering with a fant trillling tweet under her breath as I work my fingers between the feathers under her wings>>739089526It's actually very true, though it may not be universal to all birds.there are spots that are considered "social preening" spots that any other bird can touch and they generally preen eachother as a social activity, then there are spots that only the paired mate is supposed to touch, and activates entirely different hormones. It's not the back itself though usually but the lower back.the chest is also usually one of those areas.
>>739089502I've tested the waters in other places, and found this point of view very quickly. It comes across as "chujin is an idiot because I, knowing how the story turns out, would not have made those decisions" and also bonus round "I hate chujin because I want Ceroba".
>>739089659>Martlet shuddering with a fant trillling tweet under her breath as I work my fingers between the feathers under her wingsHeh, nice.But imagine the consequences though, Martlet getting aggressive (puffing her cheeks up and flapping her wings) at anyone who gets too close to you.
>>739083352i am begging artists to actually look at trains before drawing them
>>739089402>Super hot and famous>Shu spreads the rumor that he's dating Luzma>>739089528>Luzma hears the rumors and kicks Shu's ass/spoiler]>Luzen takes care of a beaten up Shu until he can recover>Overtime, Shu learns to appreciate Luzen's company more, seeing as the rat really cares for him>Even Luzen starts seeing Shu as more than a living body pillow from this experience>Maybe there's hope for this miserable relationship after all
>>739089716>"I hate chujin because I want Ceroba".martlet's husband and clover's adoptive dad...
>>739089567>convince clover to never touch his foster parent or bad things will happen>martlet once hugs him when he is distracted >clover has a mental breakdown thinking that he ruined everything>martlet is just standing there confused
>>739089795>Martlet getting aggressive (puffing her cheeks up and flapping her wings) at anyone who gets too close to you.first of all, cute.Second of all, I fully intend on helping her with her frustrations, but I WILL tease her when she gets embarrassed over her little bouts of aggression.
>>739087462>>739087525>The Office style fake documentary about life at The Steamworks >Chujin is a racist chud who can't stop talking about humans and how everything is secretly their fault>Luzen constantly crushing over Chujin, but too shy to say anything, gets really salty whenever he's ignored, but never does more than scowl and quietly mutter to himself >Gorgon Freemonster being a loud mouthed psycho who regularly yells at people and drinks at work, even shows up high a couple times>Every episode is full of Aperture Science tier hair brained experiments and lack of safety
>>739089831fuck, see? it works narratively. They even have an entire arc that will have a low point when they realize how they are using eachother, which leads to the classic reconciliation. It functionally creates a story better than what either character is as it stands.
>>739087525>I'm sure that's a relatable angst for actually gay people, being attracted to someone who's not gayI've had the reverse. Liked a girl, got close to her, found out she was gay.
>>739089986Kris...
>>739089861First of all, touching in those spots is considered safe in birds for parent and child, because it elicits different responses (the neural pathways for feeding your pair bond in preparation for nesting, are considered to be a repurposing of the same neural pathways that are used in caring for your young)And second of all, that's actually all I had to say.
>>739089659That seems more like bs to me.It's like people saying that if you pick up a fallen bird then their parent would reject them because they now have a different scent or something. Which has been proven to be false, yet many people still believe that
>>739087710This is the photoshopped image Shu uses on his online dating profile
worst meme template ever please stop using it
>>739087674Luzen...
>>739089862>but I WILL tease her when she gets embarrassed over her little bouts of aggression.Anon, you would really do something so cruel?To see your berd wife be so devoted to you that it's beyond her own control, and then ruthlessly mock her for it?How inhuman...
>>739089862>>739089659why do you like Martlet so muchif you had to choose, which onefinal boss martlet or regular?
>>739090139If you're referring to OP's image I only agree in the sense that there are a lot more Invincible images that could be turned into meme templates. I really want to see Riley from Wildfire as Mark here
>>739090139Schizo...
>>739090214Who would be Anissa?
>>739090265You know who.
>>739090265Mr. Sunshine fits the joke but his body probably can't meet that pose, so my vote is Val
>>739090054this and that are nothing alike. That is a myth with no grounding. The preening thing is a well documented and observed matter across a large range of bird species, seen by both birdwatchers and ornithologists alike.Birds absolutely have responses unique to social preening vs the allopreening that takes place in bonded pairs. I have also spent time thinking of how to work "bonded pair" into an affectionate phrase Martlet could use.
>>739090265Shunshine
>>739090308>Shunshine>ShuIt seems like victim and perpetrator have fused into one
>>739090265undyne
>>739087957It would make for a great comedy game
I just realized that maybe Kindness doesn't need a genocide route, maybe the alternate route is not violent but, as someone said, kindness to the point of suicidal empathy where you literally shred pieces of yourself because of guilt over something you didn't doi don't know why I love the idea of someone taking kindness to an extreme degree
>>739090343Alphys... I...Perhaps you went too far...
>>739087710>>739088214Shu and Luzen doing their own version of that one "Ralsus" comic, with Luzen pretending to be Roba while Shu pretends to be Chujin.
>>739090421close enough welcome back undertale prime
>>739090447>"Ralsus"What?
>>739089942>It functionally creates a story better than what either character is as it stands.Amazing, you can recycle failed OCs into characters for a yaoi story and it makes for an interesting plot, you just need the help of a wisp to create that first touching moment in their relationship
>>739088106>>739088247Maybe you find him in the monster equivalent of a gay bar (ghost bar?) drinking his pain away.
>>739090479ralsei x susie, an underrated ship
>>739090510that ship's name is Ralsusie
>>739090479He meant Noelle and Ralsei comic
>>739088194Gizmo, save me!
>>739090510Okay no yeah, but what comic were you talking about?
>>739090547Anon... Gizmo isn't here to "save" (You)>>739088606
>>739090207I like a lot about Martlet. First and foremost is that she puts effort into her life, even if she fucks up a lot. People who just give up at the first sign of difficulty or play the "helpless princess" act are a massive turnoff for me.Martlet has a sense of justice that considers multiple angles to issues. I have made some serious mistakes in my life, but I am making active effort to improve myself. I think shes someone that I could be honest with my failures about (which is something many women unironically find to be a turnoff) but that would also hold me accountable. She's active, and wants to do something with herself, but finds a lot of trouble actually doing so. She's the kind of person that I can see that would support you in what you want to do, while having her own goals that you can support and encourage her to accomplish. I don't want co-dependency or a one sided relationship, and I think she's someone that could be an actual partner, and not either carrying most of the relationship, or being carried. She'd fuck up a lot, and so would I, but "continuous effort" captures us both for better and worse. She's airheaded, but caring, silly, but wants to make a difference when something really matters to her.Then going to the physical side, I think she's pretty.Between the two I'd choose regular, but I wouldn't be upset to know her as Zenith for a moment because at heart, she's still the same person.I fell autistically in love with the character when I heart hear screech as zenith, and it made me go back and review the character from start to finish again.
>>739090421Suicidal empathy is not really about sacrificing your own wellbeing to help others, it's about consistently trying to help someone who is actively trying to harm you and shows no signs of ever stopping. Think that aesop about the man helping the freezing snake and it immediately biting him.
>>739090432The underground's greatest rapist, merged with the underground's most raped...
>>739090510I love ralsus
>>739090196I'd tease her while working my fingers through her feathers, ruffling them which I know frustrates her slightly because it gets the feathers un-interlocked. Then I'd slowly smooth them out again making her blush at the gently touch.
>>739090631>merged with the underground's most raped...But that's not Riley
>>739088484>I haven't done this since I got a physicalI like the implication that this is a normal part of a physical exam
>>739090663that's a cute image. I've never personally been "into" susie myself. I mean I like the character but I've never thought "oh I NEED her".but I really like that pairing and it will never happen.
>>739090663>shonen protagonist brain who just wants to make friends and Anxious Attachment lad desperate to fulfill his function of being others' friendHe's literally made for her
>>739090676Dear god, you're no human, you're a devil in human disguise!I shudder to imagine what else you'd plan on doing to the poor, flustered berd.
>>739090546>>739090575In this comic Noelle pretends to be Kris while Ralsei pretends to be Susie so they both can prepare for their respective love interest. They end up accidentaly marrying each other instead though.
>>739088606>>739090610I didn't want to do this, but he's forced my hand. (I) will not be denied (my) foxwife. Cole has to fuck all his friends. Gizmo will become part of the harem.
>>739088624>Bar of The Broken Heroes/DreamsFallout 2 did it first.
>>739090975 That's what he wanted all along...
>>739090483I can't believe I've helped pioneer something I want nothing to do with. I wish them the best though in their "failing forward".
>>739088690Maybe the challenge isn't from how hard his patterns are, but from how hard it is to spare him. He simply refuses to be convinced to stand down, to the point that he's destroying himself just to keep attacking.
>>739091026Those were rejected player models, this one was a fanservice moment where you can see all the protagonists on a single place, both are a reference to the painting "boulevard of broken dreams", but HM's bar might have been inspired by Fallout 2 easter egg
>>739088781I don't blame him for making the mistake. Chujin is the fruitiest straight guy since Prince. Have you seen how he runs in DRY.
>>739091257>Chujin is the fruitiest straight guy since Prince.True.>Have you seen how he runs in DRY.No, but I haven't seen much of DRY in general, by choice.
>>739090702i do wanna lightly touch on human soul stuff in GELtarune since it takes place in a human town, picrel probably won't happen since I dont have a place in the story for it
>>739081338What's the origin of this meme?
>>739091372Invincible.
>>739091257>Chujin runs over in his absolutely embarrasing way, and brings Ceroba flowers, then runs off equally pathetically>Ceroba is swooning over this>one of Cerobas female friends asks "ok seriously are you sure your husband isn't gay?">One of their gay friends chimes in "Straight as an Arrow. Belive me, I tried in college. That dork only has eyes for Roba here"
>>739089004Surprisingly Ceroba accepts him then she starts making him wear goggles and a kimono
>>739089047Shu's not a bad person, he's just an idiot.
>>739091474>Spoiler>Implying Luzen didn't already force Shu to wear those
>>739091529and a loser, don't forget that, he couldn't get into the royal guard which made him develop a hatred for them
>>739091534Nightmare polygamous relationship, Ceroba, Shu, and Luzen, with both Ceroba and Luzen making Shu pretend to be Chujin.
>>739089541>>739089615What about Berdly? I just don't like the hypocrisy. Honestly, I think that our version of shu would be a good character. The only problem is that it is someone's OC, if not for that I think everybody wouldn't be so harsh about it."Even Bravado, if done sincerely, can turn into Courage"
>>739089206>He lies to his mom and brother about his personal live tho, he's also a lolcow.He lies to his brother because his brother idolizes him, and he doesn't want to destroy his hope and confidence like that. His mother knows, she just thinks he's playing a game.
>>739089402He'll say he's dating a super important Hotland educated scientist, and neglect to specify gender.
>>739091645he's egotistical with nothing to show for it, his brother depends on him (I think) and if not, he's a burden on his mother, but instead of getting a real job and putting away the larp, he continues to live the fantasy, avoiding facing personal change and humbling himself. He's not a good person, but he's not deserving of some terrible fate for it.If, despite being a mess, he decides to do something with himself like saving someone for instance, then that could be a changing point for his character.Or he could just continue to live his failed life as it was. This would be the turning point where his flaws could finally take a back seat to whatever virtues he could theoretically have.
>>739091690>He lies to his brother because his brother idolizes him, and he doesn't want to destroy his hope and confidence like that.It's going to be really awkward once Shu has to explain to his little brother why he's holding hands with that weird rat, and not with the number one mercenary
>>739090447found it
>>739091815That's what Roba was saying about Starlo though
>>739089460>Rouxls KaardEvil, but incompetent. He immediately jumps on the dick (metaphorically or literally) of the evilest person he can find every day in pursuit of his coveted 2nd in command slot. He betrays people every five minutes. >Darkblade No, despite his very best efforts to convince you he is evil.
>>739091898Thing is, Starlo was actually a pillar of his community, actively working to pull the Roba out of her depression, giving the people in the wild east something to do and something to see. Starlo did fuck up and got too lost in his larp, and he rightfully got a comeuppance for it, but he wasn't a drain on the people around him doing what he did until he took things a step too far and got gut checked for it.Ceroba not liking his actor persona just shows that there's something between the two that that was incompatible, because after all just because Starlo decided to take the farm more seriously afterwards, didn't make his wild east persona go away permanently. They are not the same
>>739091953B-but he helps you build the thrash machine
>>739089570I think its better if he never uses his dance moves anywhere in the main story. Only doing it in a single obscure fun event scene where you walk in on him at the club.
>>739090014My first waifu was Noelle, so I got to relive that experience playing Deltarune.
>>739090619thanks>My first waifu was Noelle, so I got to relive that experience playing Deltarune.what do people see in Noelle that makes her so popular?
>>739090295Sunshine would be Conquest doing the "I am so lonely".
>>739092427There's still time for her to be straight, it's possible.
>>739090483I still feel really bad about making Shu a faggot. I like the loser version of him and want to see him get ahead, not stoop to yaoi out of desperation.
>>739090295Val saw someone else trying to be the bravery soul and he wouldn't let that slide
>>739092613But he can get ahead *through* yaoi, don't you see?
>>739092041And was Starlo instantly successful? Perhaps he was at the same point as Shu once. Not fearing to be cringe is what allowed him to improve and become what he is now. And here Shu is doing his act but for his brother instead of the Roba.I think Starlo running the town is way more profitable than working in the farm, if he decided to do just what his parents would have wanted than he would get nowhere.And this is UT that we are talking about, where Determination can will things into existence, this is the perfect setting for someone's larping to become real...
>>739092613Hey, I don't think him being gay is a negative, this just makes for an interesting (and funny) character dynamic, he's a loser, maybe with the help of this other loser they can both grow as people
>>739092613>>739092681you'd think in a universe that' occasionally gets decimated by literal children after they lost in a war, they'd be adamant about people not being gay, since they have to recoup the lost numberswtf is Asgore doing
>>739091247The Bar of Broken Dreams was the Maltese Falcon from Fallout 1, and it had a bunch of important named NPCs from the first game in it. Its also how you get Dogmeat in Fallout 2.
>>739088194>sadie's main goal is to break up cole and kanako's relationship so she can be with kanako>weird route is (YOU) 'helping' her get with Cole
>>739091097To wear the maid dress?
>>739092689>And this is UT that we are talking about, where Determination can will things into existence, this is the perfect setting for someone's larping to become real...and yet a defining trait of shu, is that no matter how much he leans into his larp, he never gets anywhere with it.The difference between shu and starlo, is that shu is running from himself, whereas being an actor is part of who Starlo is. He's a showman, and yeah he probably had a road he had to travel to get there, but he cares both about having eyes on him for his dramatic "missions" as well as the activity it breeds. He's of a different breed from shu altogether.>I think Starlo running the town is way more profitable than working in the farm, if he decided to do just what his parents would have wanted than he would get nowhere.yes but balance is important, and the problem is, he lost himself in the act. Spending at least a little bit of time on the farm will be good for him after that It's not really implied that he stops the north star act, and he actually embraces the north star thing when he goes to confront roba, but this time being "himself" as north star. Sheriff Starlo.Shu meanwhile is still running from himself, whatever that may be.
>>739092789Some monsters don't even have obvious places where they could have reproductive organs, so I don't think same sex couples are a problem, they can probably still have kids anyway.
>>739092789Male monsters can get pregnant too
>>739091326>No, but I haven't seen much of DRY in general, by choice.Well look up a video of the Toaster fight and watch how he runs.
>>739092856To make (You) enter his Harem as well
>>739091534That's why she accepts him. He's already got the act down perfectly.
>>739092867Shu has a chance to be "successful" if he were to open a MacDojo or become a fraud martial artist actor like Steaven Seagal, but that's still pathetic in a way
>>739092874>they can probably still have kids anyway.nta but I'm not a fan of this. There's no reason for sexual distinctions to exist at all at that point. It's like trolls in homestuck (I'm sorry). them being gay doesn't have any bearing on their reproduction, because their reproduction has been hijacked by one overbearing queen who takes the dna from everyone and just mishmashes it into more grubs. It makes sense on how a society could have different sexes, but culturally don't give it any thought. For monsters it's just handwaving the existence of males and females being different things
>>739091394Maybe Luzen assumed Roba was a man in drag, like that one episode of KoTH where that trannie mistakes Peggy for another trannie because of how mannish she is.
>>739092997>There's no reason for sexual distinctions to exist at all at that point. Buddy, some monsters are literally just fuckin' rocks, a lot of monsters don't have any kind of distinction to begin with anyway.
>>739092965>People only like Shu when he's pretending to be someone elseWould this work as a wake up call for him? Or only reinforce his perception of himself as"The Warrior In Blue"?
>>739089986>I'm dumb, she's a lesbian>I thought I had found the one>We were good as married in my mind>But married in my mind's no good
>>739091645Berdly is an asshole, but is fundamentally a good person when the chips are down.
>>739093043They can't reproduce, like mules
>>739093043and those monsters could still be male or female rocks. I'm pretty sure most people see the two adult rock monsters in ut as males, and I can't remember if the game indicates this. They are magical, there's no reason a rock can't have a dick or a bagina.Pasta can have a vagina.
>>739091841He already came up with an explanation that she actually wasn't cool or a hero at all, she was just another villain who acted cool like Undyne, only instead of fame and power she did it for money.
Do you think this is the kind of discussion Luzen's creator wanted for him?Do you think they'd be happy knowing how we're talking about him?
>>739091626By the end of it he's dyed his fur, bleached his hair, and changed his gait to perfectly match Chujin's. Now they're pressuring him to change his name.
>>739093147most people in the fandom are scared at the concept of 4chan talking about them. Genuinely believing us to be a boogie man of sorts. He'd probably be too nervous to actually consider the implications.
>>739092474>Sunshine would be ConquestWe can still make this work
>>739093147We are trying to turn his character into something beyond a self insert fantasy, by pairing him with another self insert fantasy
>>739093147I think he'd be happy that someone talks about his unused characters at all. I would be, if it was me
>>739093212>nipples visibly poking throughDear god.
>>739085395Find something to live for, man, even if it's just spite.If you're feeling that way then you've got to do something different and try something new though it may be tough.>>739090619I can see that you autistically love Martlet so much that it's infectious and you're making me love her a bit more too.>>739091896Pure gold, I didn't know I needed this.>>739092997For a second I thought you were talking about interspecies couples, and I was about to get pissed. They're cute and there's not enough same-species monsters to go around!I'm with you on gay relationships somehow having kids though, that's just odd to me.If you're doing that I think it's better to just not have biological families at all. Just have monsters "show up" like the stork dropping off babies.
>>739091815Shu's ego is paper thin. He's lying to himself just as much as he's lying to the world, because he's scared of what will happen if he's not "the strongest" and people find out. Mainly due to being bullied as a child.
>>739093143Okay, but why is the Warrior In Blue so close to that smelly rat? Is Shu helping homeless people now?
>>739092427>tfw (You) is just Kris from the future
>>739093219>spoilersPlease have better standards for yourself and your characters than that, please.
>>739092063As a betrayal of Queen once he realizes she wants nothing to do with him.
>>739093256>I can see that you autistically love Martlet so much that it's infectious and you're making me love her a bit more too.I'm glad, let the bird love spread like shimmering wings that carry the stars themselves!I am hopeful that I can finish this Martlet green tonight.
>>739093321Nta, but I wouldn't mind if people talked like this about my cut characters, this discussion is both funny and interesting
>>739093147ngl Luzen is limited as a character since he's from an abandoned game, there's only so much you can do with him.I saw a similar reaction from these threads when he was first revealed. At the time people poked fun at it but eventually moved on, since they knew his game would never be fully fleshed out.
>>739093256>For a second I thought you were talking about interspecies couples, and I was about to get pissed. They're cute and there's not enough same-species monsters to go around!I've got no issue with that. and yeah the stork thing works if you're just dismissing the whole biological thing. I just am not a fan of handwaved stuff like "cornyaoi dalv gets pregnant". then again I also hate corn yaoi because it's just such a dumb, nonsensical pairing.
>>739093147I mean sometimes I wonder what some Other Person, would think about people liking Him.But it's probably for the best that nobody tells Him.
>>739091815He probably could live some miserable existence on his own, working a dead end job somewhere to pay for a shitty apartment, but he chooses to stay with his family because he doesn't want to leave them alone in the snowdin woods to fend for themselves. Of course he could still work a job while living with them, but he's a flawed character that way.
>>739093147Probably not. I think he didn't realize how pathetic the character comes off as and he doesn't have any honest friends that would tell him like, how would you even learn all that through the game itself? is the player character just going to go through a door and he'll have a breakdown where he trauma dumps on the player for 5 minutes? do we find logs on a computer about how cucked he is?it's the part where i legitimately start feeling bad for these people, even if they are trannies or weird genderblobs>>739093341you reminded me how hopelessly in love I'm with Roba to the point where it revived my desire to draw again, thanks for your autism reigniting mine
>>739092470Back then it was that she was the cute "girl next door" archetype. These days its her looking like that, but secretly being a massive degenerate. She enjoyed being raped(metaphorically) and being made into a serial killer. You won't find a bigger freak than that.
>>739093321Hey, I am not guy who made it!I didn't say that I want to make awful characters. What I want is for people to like my characters so much that they would be discussed long after I abandoned the project (Preferably beacause they are good, and not because they are that cringe and atrocious like UTG)
>>739093448>I also hate corn yaoi because it's just such a dumb, nonsensical pairing.NTA, but I've gotta ask, what do you think of sparkplug yaoi?I've only ever seen one instance of it ever, but I'm curious what you think about it.
>>739093508>you reminded me how hopelessly in love I'm with Roba to the point where it revived my desire to draw again, thanks for your autism reigniting mineI pray that one day I will get to see Robas drawn by you. Good luck anon.
>>739093112>Pasta can have a vagina.Be careful with yeast infections, anon
>>739093605who is that? I'm not into yaoi so I only know infamously bad ones because of how bad they are.
>>739093321Nta either. The OC's creator in this case might not like that we're talking about it because we're the "wrong type" of people.But if I made a character and some queer communist trans folx were remembering and discussing my OC after a long time, then I'd be at least a little flattered and happy.
>>739093147Damn I thought we were talking about Luzma for UTN
>>739092681>>739092716I don't want that though. That makes it worse. I know that's perfectly in line with how this series works, but I think modern media (and even these games) gayifying characters have ruined the concept for me. I just hate seeing a character I like made gay, especially out of desperation.
>>739093679No, no we are not.Well, technically she was involved briefly, before leaving to be part of a better hypothetical somewhere else probably.
>>739092789The underground can barely support the population it has.
>>739093729>knocks shu out before returning home, where anon bursts open the door with a 5 page speech on his love for her prepared and memorized by heart.
>>739092716>>739092613>>739093706why can't they be really close bros without necesarily devolving into yaoi territory?it reminds me of how people ship Frodo and Sam. Having a really close bro that pulls you out of a dark place just because he wants to see you do well is a thing that happens IRL and something a lot of people can relate to, even more than gay people
>>739092941(You) will be running the harem, he will be the maid.
>>739093706>I just hate seeing a character I like made gay, especially out of desperation.I mean, the situation we were talking about wasn't like, *desperation* desperation, it wasn't that serious.It's not like we're talking about Shu having to whore himself out to make ends meet or something, the idea was just the two of them getting together because "why not?", and things developing from there.
>>739093768Luzma is for Val only
>>739093706I only dislike it when girls turn into lebians but that's because modern media (and UT/DR) have given me Dyke fatigue, I don't mind gay guys, especially when they have potential for an interesting relationship and aren't a nothing burger like cornyaoi
>>739093081Is this a quote or are you just calling me stupid. I was 14 at the time, so I think I have a pass for being a dumd kid at the time.
>>739093797because the plot for this originated based on the gayness of one of the characters. This isn't a case where gayness was injected into a plot it was never in. One of these characters is extremely pathetic and gay, and the other is very pathetic and can't pay his own bills. It's like how actually progressive communities come up with "toxic yaoi/yuri" except people immediately went to work figuring out how to make them better people instead of letting them revel in the grime.
>>739093805He will absorb (You) into himself Thats why he summoned (You) into the world after all
>>739093797>why can't they be really close bros without necesarily devolving into yaoi territory?Either's fine, I don't see why it's that big of a deal.The joke about the two of them being gay started pretty quickly when this topic came up, so it's not like it's being shoved in for no reason, it's what came first in this thread.
>>739093835Val is too young for Luzma and he already has Quetzali as an option
>>739093825I mean, he didn't have to whore himself out, but him having no standards, and doing it to make ends meet was definitely one of the first ideas in this silly thing.
>>739093462I thought someone already said Shu's creator saw some of the posts about Shu or something and thought it was funny?
>>739093284Dr Luzen (he's actually only got a master's) is a scientific genius helping him with his inventions.
>>739093147Judging by how mentally unwell he was (assuming all this obvious self insertion is actually self insertion) no, I don't think he would like it.
>>739094015Anon likely made it up
>>739093969Yeah, but the focus of the idea was definitely more on just the characters themselves, rather than their circumstances.It wasn't even a very serious idea, I don't know why you're so upset over it.
>>739094030Is the handholding necessary for the inventions?
>>739094015>>739094085Different Him, the one you can't say on /v/
>>739094091sorry, I meant to add an "NTA" to that post. I was just adding a little statement that "to be fair shu was doing that, but you're right it wasn't out of desperation really".
>>739093905it's a song from pinkerton
>>739093256Breeding zartlet!
>>739094125Oh, well.Whatever, point stands, guess the other guy'll have to read that post if he feels like talking about this more for whatever reason.
>>739094085That'd be pretty gay if true, and not the good kind of gay
>>739093797>Why can't they be really close bros without necesarily devolving into yaoi territory?Because one of the characters was already gay>it reminds me of how people ship Frodo and Sam. Having a really close bro that pulls you out of a dark place just because he wants to see you do well is a thing that happens IRL and something a lot of people can relate to, even more than gay peopleThis is different since this stared as a loveless relationship where one party is only there for the monetary benefits and the other is only there because he doesn't want to be alone, this isn't a cool friendship between bros
>>739094220he's saying that because I didn't want to post screenshots of that public discord server that sometimes checks us out and freaks out over 4chan existing. Sorry it just feels weird posting screenshots and usernames like I'm doxing someone, even if they are a gay retard on a tremendously shitty public server.I'll have to lower the filesize of a moderately cute Martlet image I got from there though. I have no idea how this thing is over 4 mb.then the other guy is going on about that other thing no one cares about.
>>739093797>why can't they be really close bros without necesarily devolving into yaoi territory?Why is it necessarily the case that them being gay would be a "devolution"?
>>739094269>This is different since this stared as a loveless relationship where one party is only there for the monetary benefits and the other is only there because he doesn't want to be alone, this isn't a cool friendship between brosI see, I think I got lost in the thread and missed some posts
>>739093825I meant emotional desperation. Shu is so desperate to feel loved that he (a straight man) will turn prison gay to get it, and Luzen is just using him as a replacement for someone else who didn't love him because he vaguely resembled him and didn't say no. This is even worse than pizzapants and the nice cream guy. >>739093886I dislike it in general. I don't like Kerdly or Nicepants for similar reasons.
>>739093797How would they even end up as friends. I think it's better to just leave this as a joke and not attempt to seriously develop it.
>>739094421>Shu is so desperate to feel loved that he (a straight man) will turn prison gay to get itThat assumes Shu is 100% straight to begin with, which may not necessarily be the case.And given how much we already like playing around with his character, I think introducing a few extra changes for the sake of a specific scenario is fine.>Luzen is just using him as a replacement for someone else who didn't love him because he vaguely resembled him and didn't say no.Not directly.The idea of Shu being made to dress and act like Chujin was joked about, but that was never a core part of the idea.The basic idea was just the two of them ending up together because no one else would have them, it was a joke from the get-go, no one was taking it seriously, you didn't need to start whipping up huge walls of text over it.
and I think I'm a little goofy for liking starjin geez
>>739094557>The basic idea was just the two of them ending up together because no one else would have themthat sounds too real, I know at least 3 couples like that IRL and it's miserable just even being around them, can't imagine what it's like being in a relationship like that
>>739094596Ah yes, the OTP.
>>739094091(Guy who objected here) I was mainly just a bit put off because it felt like it was starting to turn into a serious idea. People talking about strong character arcs and character development.
>>739094627Okay well this is the UT world we're talking about, so real world rules and conceptions don't exist here.
>>739094627>I know at least 3 couples like that IRL and it's miserable just even being around them, can't imagine what it's like being in a relationship like thatThey didn't have a Luzma to give more development to their relationship
>>739094647nta, but I was actually starting to take this more seriously
>>739094647Well, I just think it's funny, and could work somewhat decently in the UT world, just because of how monsters tend to work in general.If it's any consolation, I've got similar feelings towards certain ships that tend to be pretty common around here, though for more narrative reasons than anything else, so you're not the only one who gets put off by ships sometimes.My advice is, just ignore it.
>>739094557>That assumes Shu is 100% straight to begin with, which may not necessarily be the case.I thought of him that way. >you didn't need to start whipping up huge walls of text over it.Those weren't walls of text, anon. Anyways fair enough if you're all just joking around, it just seemed like people were trying to get serious with this for a second there.
I feel like we could've gotten a bit more mileage out of Codyne, that one seemed like it could work.
i actually love the idea of being given bad characters and trying to make something worthwhile with themgive me the lab rat, we'll make him hit the gym
>>739094421>I don't like KerdlyAt least Kris and Berdly have something in common>Nicepants for similar reasons.Nicepants sucks because nice cream guy is catfishing Pizzapants and you know they will end together despite that, at least in this hypothetical Luzen is aware that Shu is using him
>>739094814>I thought of him that way. Awfully generous of you given how most of his schtick seems fruitier than the damn Ginyu force.>Those weren't walls of text, anon.They were definitely a whole lot bigger than what anyone else was saying about this.Anyway, I get the feeling I know who you are, based on some things you've said, so I'll let this one die out.
>>739094814>it just seemed like people were trying to get serious with this for a second there.I mean, people are taking it varying levels of seriously. It's silly, but thematically it functions.I'm absolutely not into gay ships from a personal enjoyment perspective, but the story of two failures going from a terrible relationship, to a more sincere one through trials is a drama classic.
>>739094753Well I can't stop you, but I will express my distaste for the idea. I think its too mean, even for Shu. He doesn't deserve the pizzapants treatment (no one does).
>>739094848>I feel like we could've gotten a bit more mileage out of Codyne, that one seemed like it could work.I know next to nothing about Cody and Undyne's interactions besides what I've seen on the shitpost images, there's also the awkward part of what would happen if Cody gets revived later on
>>739094848I'm all for discussing that. What would their dynamic be like?
>>739094967>They were definitely a whole lot bigger than what anyone else was saying about thisnta, but as someone who has clear lines I can't cross with stuff like this, this still feels in the territory of those reynault x anon discussions. There's an interesting dicussion to be had, and it's not straight up pornographic (which I'm not talking about that from a sharteen perspective) so there's meet to the discussion that people from different viewpoints can still engage in.I really think it should be a matter of just doing the best to not read the things ones self is not comfortable with.
>>739094993>He doesn't deserve the pizzapants treatment (no one does).It's not really the Pizzapants treatment, he's aware of whats happening and he's trying to take advantage of the situationIf Luzen where a girl, would all your problems with this "ship" dissipate?
>>739094993>pizzapants treatmentthis is more like a komen fuufu situation
>>739094857>i actually love the idea of being given bad characters and trying to make something worthwhile with themI like that too. I've just gotten really attached to my own ideas of how to fix Shu, and subsequent character that's become. So now I really don't want to see my monster Mr Satan bro get the nicepants treatment. I want him to find a nice girl who isn't Roba, one that shares his interests and would be compatible with him.
>>739094998>I know next to nothing about Cody and Undyne's interactions besides what I've seen on the shitpost imagesOh yeah, oops.I guess more of us should probably play that thing if we want to do anything with the characters.>there's also the awkward part of what would happen if Cody gets revived later onOkay, but I could see that being an interesting premise worth exploring for a bit.One of the monsters who knew one of the fallen humans gets into a romantic relationship with them, watches them die, and goes through a whole arc of moving on and learning to love again, only for the human to just get right back up like nothing happened.I feel like you could tell an interesting story with the various characters involved in such a scenario, provided you aren't just telling an NTR story.
>>739095183>nicepants (or pizzapants) treatmentI haven't played Deltarune which is where I assume he comes from, what's the "treatment" we are talking about here?
>>739094967>given how most of his schtick seems fruitier than the damn Ginyu force.I don't see it. I always thought of him like Mr Satan, who is a very straight character even if he is a complete clown. >They were definitely a whole lot bigger than what anyone else was saying about this.If you know who I am then you should know what a real wall of text looks like. That was a couple of sentences. A wall of text is multiple paragraphs pushing the character limit.
>>739095092>as someone who has clear lines I can't cross with stuff like this, this still feels in the territory of those reynault x anon discussions.Oh, hi.Guess that narrows the list down to one, not that I was actually guessing anymore.>I really think it should be a matter of just doing the best to not read the things ones self is not comfortable with.Yes, I said as much to the anon I was replying to, in an earlier post.
>>739094913>at least in this hypothetical Luzen is aware that Shu is using himThat just makes it sad in its own unique way.
>>739095254Burgerpants thinks a hot babe is into him and has been texting her, and set up a date with her, only to get ghosted.we find out that it's actually the nicecreamguy catfishing him, but the tone of the writing around it, makes it feel like there's a strong possibility that the nice cream guy will be "victorious" despite how underhanded what he's doing is.and I don't exagerrate with the catfishing. Burgerpants thinks a super hot babe is into him.
>>739095203>provided you aren't just telling an NTR story.Alphys would try to turn this into a NTR story anyways, but maybe Cody isn't ugly nor fat enough to fulfill her fantasies
>>739095045I think it might depend on when it takes place, since they'd have both existed together when they were kids, apparently, but could then exist again after the barrier is broken and Cody was revived.I think the age gap might be an issue post-resurrection though.
>>739095324And that's the interesting part, it has potential for drama and development
>>739095328>>739095254the catfishing is happening cuz bratty is asking nice cream guy to do it for her, probably so if things go south she isn't blamed for it, but you know toby will make pizzapants fall for nice cream guy anyway despite this being a shitty thing because gayif he actually makes pizzapants upset I will applaud
>>739095284>Yes, I said as much to the anon I was replying to, in an earlier post.sorry, I was only adding onto it saying "I don't think the conversation should end here when that's still an option" in response to you saying you'd drop it.
>>739095254>I haven't played Deltarunehow? you are in a UT fangames thread
>>739095337Well, there's always a different angle you could do it from.
>>739095328>>739095397what a strange thing to put into the game
>>739095453I haven't played Deltarune because I'm waiting for the whole thing to be out before I do but I do know some thingsa badly written ending can ruin the whole experience for me
>>739095448Oh, that.Well, I don't feel like arguing with him about certain things, and I really only care so much about this topic in particular, so I don't feel like derailing things over it.
>>739095397I have mixed feeling over this, on one had I dislike that relationship, on the other, that would only expose Toby as an even bigger yurifag since the only time a same sex couple gets rejected is when it's not a lesbian one
>>739095092You know I actually don't mind those Reynault x Anon discussions, even particupated in and enjoyed some of the tamer ones, and he's my character. But the Shu stuff does bother me. I guess I just have this really strong image in my mind of Shu being absolutely straight. >>739095119I'd have less. As shown above I actually don't mind gay ships on principle, I just dislike quite a lot of them. Especially the kind where a character "settles" for gay in a particularly sad way when they were originally straight. I think its probably just due to bad depictions ruining the idea for me. >>739095172Except instead of being empowering and uplifting for both of them, its disempowering and sad for both of them.
>>739095280>If you know who I am then you should know what a real wall of text looks like. That was a couple of sentences. A wall of text is multiple paragraphs pushing the character limit.Yes, yes, I was using hyperbole, your posts on this matter were certainly much longer than what anyone else had cared to say on it.Like I said, just ignore it if you feel so strongly about it.
>>739095397>if he actually makes pizzapants upset I will applaudwould be a shock for sure. It's possible since he's been aware of things like "toriel isn't perfect so I made her flaws more noticable in deltarune", but when it comes to gay stuff, I fear toby may brush how fucked up the situation is under the rug. >>739095525fair enough
>>739095254You remember Burgerpants? Well in Deltarune Catty and Bratty are gay. So he can't be paired with Catty. Instead Bratty is forcing Nicecream guy to catfish him so he'll "not creep on any girls" and he falls for it in a really pathetic way. And its heavily implied nicecream guy actually likes him and is doing this because its the closest he can get to actually dating him. The whole thing is painful to watch and I can see the forced yaoi coming from a mile away. Its Suselle tier bad.
>>739095631>I guess I just have this really strong image in my mind of Shu being absolutely straight.You always seem have extremely strong images on minor characters.>Especially the kind where a character "settles" for gay in a particularly sad way when they were originally straight.I mean, Shu never really met Roba, she's just a girl he find pretty but doesn't know anything about her, he's pretty much just a stalker for her.>its disempowering and sad for both of them.only at first, they can improve which is the entire point of this discussion and why people were enjoying it in the first place.
>>739095779>Its Suselle tier bad.it's significantly worse because it's being instigated through a literal crime.suselle is only a crime against the fundamentals of writing, this is literally just a crime.
>>739095203Maybe Cody "kindly rip their souls out of their bodies" Green matched Undyne's crazy absurd energy, and that's what their dynamic was based on.
>>739095836Is catfishing a crime?I know it's generally a dick move, but I didn't think it was an actual legal offense.I guess that makes Chris Hansen more like the Punisher than I thought.
>>739095284>Oh, hi.>Guess that narrows the list down to one, not that I was actually guessing anymore.If you think you're replying to Oldentale anon, you aren't. At least not with that post.
>>739095631>You know I actually don't mind those Reynault x Anon discussions, even particupated in and enjoyed some of the tamer ones, and he's my character.NTA, but as the (seemingly) sole Reynault-lover, I am glad you enjoyed those discussions, I always enjoy talking about him when appropriate.That Felnault discussion from a while back was pretty fun, too.
>>739095391Well I don't agree. That's all I can really say on the matter.
>>739096014No, not with that one.
>>739095963I thought it was, but I went and did some quick reading. I'm wrong, so my bad. It's only a crime when it's used in the facilitation of an actual crime, where it get's tied into things like fraud.It's still morally reprehensible so I do still think it's worse than suselle which is just bad writing.
>>739095516Did you skip UTY too?
>>739095921Ah, so they were both crazy anime characters, and that's how they wound up with each other?That actually makes sense, though that does mean Undyne should've known better, since she should've expected Cody would've gotten revived at some point.That's like textbook anime shit right there.
>>739095397Suselle and Nicepants being torpedoed in Deltarune would make my year. I fear Toby doesn't have the courage or self awareness to do it though.
>>739096107>It's still morally reprehensible so I do still think it's worse than suselle which is just bad writing.Eh, I think Suselle has some pretty questionable aspects to it, like Noelle constantly violating Susie's boundaries to try and get a look at her tail, but I guess that's not really the same level as catfishing.
>>739096159>>739095921while that would be a reasonable dynamic, I don't really know what that fangame was actually trying to do with undyne, so I don't even know if this is reasonable since I'm so distracted by the horribly ugly kid undyne portrait green uses.Like yeah people acknowledge that adult undyne isn't conventionally attractive to many, but green did something else for sure.
>>739096261>Like yeah people acknowledge that adult undyne isn't conventionally attractive to many, but green did something else for sure.Maybe Undyne wears the eyepatch in UT not because she's actually missing an eye, but because it covers up part of her face to make her look better overall.
>>739096261Undyne is ugly but her sprites are well made, kid Undyne is ugly and her sprites look poorly drawn too
>>739096356>kid Undyne is ugly and her sprites look poorly drawn tooYou take that back.
>>739096394Her head isn't even a shape that can be easily described, one side of it is taller than the other
>>739095819>You always seem have extremely strong images on minor characters.I do love literally whos>I mean, Shu never really met Roba, she's just a girl he find pretty but doesn't know anything about her, he's pretty much just a stalker for herYeah but he still liked girls his whole life, really head over heels liked them, then once he hit rock bottom and realized he'd never get with Roba, he just went prison gay with someone equally sad and desperate. >only at first, they can improve which is the entire point of this discussion and why people were enjoying it in the first place.It starting there, to me, frames all their "growth" and "improvement" as growth of that bad thing and them becoming worse as characters. Not trying to argue why you should like or dislike it, just explaining why I dislike it.
>>739096230>but I guess that's not really the same level as catfishing.at the very least catfishing has got to be worse. The very fact that it was a question if it's a crime instead of a direct statement that it wasn't, has to count for something, right?
>>739096436>Her head isn't even a shape that can be easily describedYou ever get a package roughed up by UPS?Imagine using that as the silhouette for someone's head.
>>739095963I'm pretty sure Chris Hansen got in serious legal trouble over his show and that's why it was cancelled.
>>739096496Eh, I feel like you could arguably call the tail thing sexual harassment, but that might be a stretch.
>>739096045Right back at you. I always appreciate a chance to talk about my shitty OCs.
>>739096516I imagine the Punisher also gets into the occasional legal kerfuffle over his line of work.
>>739096159She didn't know about anime at the time. She only learned about it from Alphys.
>>739096657Yes, but she had the *feeling* of anime inside her all along.
>>739096334>>739096394Put an eyepatch on this and see if it looks better.
>>739096467>Yeah but he still [HEADCANON] liked girls his whole life, really head over heels liked them, >then once he hit rock bottom and realized he'd never get with Roba, he just went prison gay with someone equally sad and desperate.It wasn't prison gay, he started dating Luzen because he could pay for his bills, it only turned into something else after Luzen started caring for him when Shu was recovering from his wounds.>It starting there, to me, frames all their "growth" and "improvement" as growth of that bad thing and them becoming worse as characters.Why worse? people learn from bad experiences all the time and the point is that they began the grow because both of them are losers stuck in a loveless relationship that just realized they could be something more.
>>739096509When the doctors delivered baby Undyne they used economy shipping.
>>739096728holy shit anon I'm fucking undying over here.
>>739096603>I always appreciate a chance to talk about my shitty OCs.I wouldn't describe them so uncharitably, but in any event, good.I was tempted to ask some more questions about Wiki in vague relation to the drawing I've been working on of her, but I'll think I'll hold off for now, so as not to derail things.Looks like I won't be having it done before the thread's out though, bit of a shame, that.
>>739096683That's why it took so long for her to let go and find new love.
>>739096394>>739096697
>>739096697Ehhhh?I dunno, maybe the less you can see of her in general is better.
>>739095779>Well in Deltarune Catty and Bratty are gay.I'm not saying it's not a possible ending for them but their bickering and constant refusal to understand that they have so much in common comes across to me as them eventually just becoming best friends like they are in Undertale. They're both pretty clearly into Asriel
>>739096728She was handled with utmost care.
>>739096718>Yeah but he still [HEADCANON]This discussion is 100% headcanon on all sides. There is 0 canon here. >It wasn't prison gay, he started dating Luzen because he could pay for his bills,I'd consider dating a man out of desperation rather than genuine attraction to be prison gay. Really any "gay because of circumstance rather than desire" pairing I'd consider prison gay. >Why worse?Because it legitimizes it and redeems it, when that pairing shouldn't be given any. Makes it stick around forever and has everyone treating it like its a good thing.
>>739096915>I'm not saying it's not a possible ending for them but their bickering and constant refusal to understand that they have so much in common comes across to me as them eventually just becoming best friends like they are in Undertale>He thinks Toby will waste a lesbian couple just like thatOH NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>739096930Put kid Undyne over the package
>>739096780>so as not to derail things.Please do. I'll gladly talk about anything else right now.
>>739096998You have her whole sprite?
>>739096915The way they talked about each other felt really gay to me. The whole game feels like "oops, all gays".
>>739097037You could just stick her head if you're lazy. I don't even have the game.
>>739096949>This discussion is 100% headcanon on all sides. There is 0 canon here.We have established canons about Shu and that was never part of any of the discussions around here, I could say he had a gay crush as a kid that he repressed for being bullied, and that headcanon would be as valid as yours.>I'd consider dating a man out of desperation rather than genuine attraction to be prison gay. Really any "gay because of circumstance rather than desire" pairing I'd consider prison gay.But he never had any attraction to Luzen when they began dating, that was the entire point of it, showing both Shu and Luzen as losers for being in a fake relationship>Because it legitimizes it and redeems it, when that pairing shouldn't be given any. Makes it stick around forever and has everyone treating it like its a good thing.Well, yeah, that's the point, we took two characters that were bad and put them in the same plot to get something interesting as a result, they are losers, so they have a failed relationship and through their shenanigans (Shu never acknowledging his "relationship" and lying about it) we get into these dramatic scenarios, isn't taking someone's OC and turning him into a funny loser also legitimizing something negative and turning it into a good thing?
>>739097065>The way they talked about each other felt really gay to me.They're valley girls, of course they talk gay
>>739097032Alright, I'll just gather all my various thoughts about Wiki in a big pile here to be sifted through.Does Wiki have one of those stubby little goat tails? I know I asked this earlier, but I doubt the person who responded was you, so I figured I'd ask again.Does she have any sort of involuntary emotional tells, like how we tend to see the various other animal-based monsters? Like, bleating, tail-wagging (if she has one), anything else?How does she feel about her own body, what's her self-image like?More specifically, how would she think of someone (a partner, perhaps) telling her that they find her to be genuinely attractive?Does she consider herself to be "old", by her own standards?I have thought much more about her in the last few days, but my other thoughts aren't really questions, so much as they are just assorted fantasies and whatnot.
>>739097241>We have established canons about Shu and that was never part of any of the discussions around here, That's always how I thought of him when I wrote all those greentexts and added all that stuff to his character in discussions. >, I could say he had a gay crush as a kid that he repressed for being bullied, and that headcanon would be as valid as yours.Yeah, and I'm also free to say I dislike it. >But he never had any attraction to Luzen when they began dating, that was the entire point of it, Hence making it prison gay. A lot of prison gays don't do it out of desire but simply just to trade for things they want. >isn't taking someone's OC and turning him into a funny loser also legitimizing something negative and turning it into a good thing?Yeah, but this scenario specifically I don't like the idea of legitimizing. The whole thing just feels wrong.
Friday night I had a dream where Kanako made a post somewhere on social media, and she was met with dozens of posts calling her a "furry goddess."Then in a separate dream it was Ceroba's fight in UTY's genocide route, but far more emotional as she declared her love for Starlo and for her family. Also for some reason this was all taking place in the freezer section of a warehouse store.
>>739097379>That's always how I thought of him when I wrote all those greentexts and added all that stuff to his character in discussions.Well, I also added things when discussing Shu but I never shared them either, so I don't think that matters that much since this is a character built trough several posts and no one is his single author (not even the original Shu fag anymore).>Yeah, and I'm also free to say I dislike it.and I'm free to disagree with your headcanon.>Hence making it prison gay. A lot of prison gays don't do it out of desire but simply just to trade for things they want.Under that definition it might start as prison gay, but that is part of the point, it starting as a bad relationship.>Yeah, but this scenario specifically I don't like the idea of legitimizing. The whole thing just feels wrong.So it is literally just a thing of you disliking on a personal level and nothing else, not because it's poorly written or anything, yet another pointless discussion.
>>739097252>Does Wiki have one of those stubby little goat tails? Does Toriel? I like to think yes, but don't take this as binding. I don't want to hamper people's imaginations >Does she have any sort of involuntary emotional tellsYes, but I feel like hers are more human. Mainly because I'm not versed enough in goat mannerisms to say otherwise. Stuff like her voice getting quiet or her repeating phrases meekly. >what's her self-image like? pretty bleak, but that doesn't have anything to do with her body, apart from maybe feeling ostracized by how different she is from the rest of her family >Does she consider herself to be "old", by her own standardsIn Oldentale or Undertale? In Oldentale no, she considers herself young in the current year, she doesn't like to think about it.
>>739097560>So it is literally just a thing of you disliking on a personal level and nothing else, not because it's poorly written or anything, yet another pointless discussion.Like I said earlier, I said I disliked it and why, and that's about as far as this discussion can go.
>>739097542>Also for some reason this was all taking place in the freezer section of a warehouse store.I wonder if its the same one where anon keeps trying to sacrifice himself for ketchup
>>739097639>first spoilerOh, I was already hoping you'd say yes, I like the idea of her having a tail, even if it's just a small one.>Yes, but I feel like hers are more human. Mainly because I'm not versed enough in goat mannerisms to say otherwise.I still just like the idea of her bleating in certain circumstances, but what you said is good too.She has the autism mannerisms instead of a bunch of monster mannerisms.>second spoilerWhy's that? I understand the ostracization part, if she's really just that visuall different from the rest of her immediate kin, but why would she view herself poorly in general?>third spoilerYeah, I guess that makes sense if it takes place far enough in the past. If she's naturally (conditionally) immortal, then she'd probably have a different view of time as well.>in the current year, she doesn't like to think about it.Because of being old in general, or because of how long ago the past was?
I find it extremely funny how CWK released yesterday, yet this thread talked more about the main antagonist from the cancelled green fangame
>>739097872Gay rat funny.
>>739097913Gay rat + jobber fox really funny
>>739097872Taking a poorly made character and making him into something more is actually kind of entertaining. For both characters to be failures in some way makes it better.
>>739097872CWK discussion was stilton-i mean stilted
>>739097994I still expect more post about that game since it's pretty short and we are on a weekend, I thought a decent amout of people would have played it by now
>>739098126I've been too busy with the threads to play it.
>>739081338Ceroba has a new child.
>>739098284well good thing i cant read whatever nonsense language that is.
>>739098284What am I looking at here?
>>739098284I don't know why my "fucked up shit" senses are firing off from this, I can't recognize the writing, the poc looks bizarre, like something you'd find on deviantart if UTY released during the early 2000s
>>739098447I think the writing is intentionally gibberish, not meant to actually mean anything directly, only imply certain things with the way it's written.Though, looking at some of it, I can't help but feel as though it's familiar somehow.The writing in the fourth panel almost reminds me of Cyrillic, but I'm not too confident in that.
>>739097865>but why would she view herself poorly in general?I don't think I can talk about that yet. >Because of being old in general, or because of how long ago the past was?Both, but especially the latter.
>>739098568>I think the writing is intentionally gibberish, not meant to actually mean anything directly, only imply certain things with the way it's writtenYeah, that's a possibility, the writing looks too nonsensical to be something you're supposed to read, or maybe the artist just has a really messy writing style>The writing in the fourth panel almost reminds me of Cyrillic, but I'm not too confident in that.The second panel does resemble cursive Cyrilic abit, it could be that
>>739098284What's this nicktoons artstyle? And why are they speaking in squiggles?
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>>739098694>I don't think I can talk about that yet. Ah, fair enough.Poor goat.>Both, but especially the latter.Also fair enough.I was talking about Rubyquest with a friend just a few days ago, and when talking about when it came out, I almost said "man, can you believe 2008 was nearly ten years ago now?". Gotta love the linear progression of time.Also, I still really wanna know what she'd think about being found attractive by someone else, but I assume I'll just have to think about that myself.
>>739098284Honestly, the way it conveys emotion is kinda impressive.Which, in turn, leads me to believe that there is no way in hell a kid made this.Where did this thing come from?
>>739098891I have the feeling it was snatched from an alternative reallity in which UTY and Undertale as a whole are shows on Discovery Kids, and this is some fanart from those shows
>>739098842>SpoilerI think if you just up and told her that it'd throw her through a loop. Really make her brain short curcuit.
How impassioned should Zenith Martlet be upon returning from weeks away from Anon.
Drew a 'roba
>>739099016Hell yeah, cute roba. Saved.
>>739099016Nice, it looks cute
>>739098983Seemed more like 90s nickelodeon to me, but that works too. What would they be called and be about? The artstyle looks more like a cartoon sitcom style than an action or adventure cartoon style.
>>739099012Absolutely dying to hold Anon in her arms again in much the same way one might hold onto a lifesaver in a violent sea.
>>739099062>violent sea.funny you should say that should it go further than that.
>>739099016Love this style, you have any more?
>>739098985Hehe, nice.She deserves to be told such things more often, she's a very good and beautiful goat lady.
>>739099016This style reminds me of Sherlock Hound
>>739099078>spoilersDo what you think is right, Anon.Only listen to your own conscience.
>>739098983Ah yes, alternate reality media, like Spider-Man 4, Star Wars: Duel of the Fates, and Homestuck 2.
>>739099227well, I asked because I'm trying to balance in my head between Martlet's normal goofy self, and the desire that could be building up, paired with the extra initiative having determination could give her.
>>739099412Well, absence makes the heart grow fonder, so perhaps her desire to be with Anon grew to be quite overwhelming over the course of their time apart, so she'd be feeling a bit more forward when she got back.
https://files.catbox.moe/6pl5up.pngi bring moochrot, wanted to finish it before the thread was over but i had to run some errandsso for now have this as a WIP and i'll probably post the final pic either in the /vrpg/ thread or next weekend's thread
>>739099553holy shit, I never expected to see something like this tonight.Mooch being a little goblin in the texts is something else.
>>739099553wow that's a lot of moochyou spoil us, sig
>>739099553Huh.Didn't figure you were into cucking, Sig, but alright.
>>739099609>cuckingRoba never got with Starlo, so it's not really cucking.
>>739099609Is it cucking if they were never together
Thanks you guys. You're feeding my appetite for (You)'s well.>>739099096Thanks for the compliment, I'm just a beginner using a pixel brush.I don't have any more UTY art, I haven't drawn very much. Hopefully I can fix that though.>>739099132Interesting, I'll check that out.
>>739098284I tried to find this thing on FA to get some answers, but got nothing.Also got no results through reverse image-searching, either on saucenao or google.Just what the hell is this thing?
>>739099638>>739099650What do you call it when someone fucks someone, and sends photos of it to another person specifically to fuck with them?
>>739099706not cucking, but I'm almost certain there's a name for it.
>>739099609Its not really cucking if Roba dropped it, and left it, and Mooch came up quick to retrieve it.
>>739099738I dunno, feels like it.Especially with Mooch's dialogue in that specifically referring to Ceroba not getting with Starlo, talking about her being "a faint memory", and so on.Definitely feels about as mean-spirited as cucking.
>>739099654>I don't have any more UTY art, I haven't drawn very much. Hopefully I can fix that though.Well be sure to come by the /vrpg/ thread when you do
>>739099674Maybe anon drew it and only posted it here.
>>739099920Mooch is treating it like cucking, but Roba isn't actually being cucked, because she never had romantic interest in Starlo. Basically just Mooch being a dumb pervert.
>>739099553Hell yeah, it's always great to see your stuff Sig.>>739099935Will do.>>739099965With that filename it must be a download, but I don't recognize the scheme.Is it deviantart/Pixiv/inkbunny? I forget what those filename schemes are like.
>>739100040Intended cucking then, on Mooch's part.
>>739099965That is a horrifying concept, but I don't think it's true, like the other anon said, the filename implies it was downloaded from somewhere else.
>>739100053 (me)Ok yeah it's inkbunny lol.
>>739100189What, did you find it?
>>739100053I googled the artist name in the imagename, its inkbunny. Its from a diaper fetish account.
>>739098284Are they speaking Cambodian?>>739099016>>739099654Cute! It reminds me of Pilotredsun's art, in a good way.>>739099553Wow, a multi-panel comic is impressive.
>>739100248Classybunneeplush on inkbunny, diaper fetishist from the looks of it
>>739100279>Its from a diaper fetish account.God fucking dammit.Are there at least any other images related to this one, anything that can help shed some light on what's happening here?
>>739100319well, anons danger senses were on the mark.
>>739100350Well you can go and dig through it if you want. I don't want to check.
>>739100424Yeah, that's fair.But why the hell did that anon earlier post the image to begin with?
>>739100453Probably to bait us into seeing that shit. Its like a much more clever version of catbox roulette.
>>739100601Ah, like an angler fish.That implies some scary things that I don't want to think about anymore.
>>739100647What is it implying?
Well, definitely not getting my Wiki image done in time for this thread, though I should still be able to have it finished tonight.I think I may have made her thighs a bit bigger than they should be though.
>>739100695I can see a few possibilities, but the ones that come to mind first are that either the person who made that is aware of these threads and is the one angling for us, or the person who posted that image here is a native to these threads, and is the kind of person who's actually into what the original artist makes.I don't like either option.
>>739100731I don't think most anons will mind very much. After all, Midna is an incredibly popular character and she is basically all thighs. If you're going for more realistic human proportions, then knowing where you deviated and keeping that in mind for next time is always helpful.
>>739100802This site's full of degens, I wouldn't doubt it. I'm pretty sure I've been hit with diaper fetish shit in catbox roulette before.
>>739100812>If you're going for more realistic human proportions,Nah, it's more just that I'm told Wiki is quite thin overall, which I've generally attempted to adhere to.>then knowing where you deviated and keeping that in mind for next time is always helpful.I deviated when I started sketching her thighs and entered a feedback loop of thinking "bigger" whenever I settled on something.
>>739100876Yeah, but this is more elaborate than your average catbox roulette, the image itself was mostly tame, it was just meant to lead you to something worse.
>page 9oh oops.DRYanon2 here.the dialogue system has been rewritten, but i was a bit too lazy on updating the pause system so that i could make a webm for this thread.i'll make an update in the other thread tomorrow morning with it, almost 1am here.next weekend i'll have bugfixes for current standout problems.in the meantime uhhhh the buge
>>739101170Buge indeed.Glad to hear the progress though. It's kind of crazy how this thread is already reaching it's end this early.
>>739101170What's the plot of your DRY? How is it different from DRY1's plot?
>>739101376Yeah just ask him to spell out the entire plot before he's released it
>>739101376if it wasnt for the fact that i was going to sleep in five minutes with the thread being as close as it is to getting bumped off the board i would've made you something completely schizophrenic that explains nothing and only half makes sense once the game is complete.
>>739101376I know that the flower girls will all be party members and are half humanand melody is different from DRY1's
>>739101602>I know that the flower girls will all be party members and are half humanimportant note: its the whole family tree to avoid the "john plantlover" problem.>and melody is different from DRY1'sDRY2 melody is mylo (music to heal > melody UT name > mylo DR name) and is calmer, but still a bitch. she hides behind the school's rules to justify her bullying.
>Martlet soared high above the ocean waves, her powerful wings carrying her through the storm. Closer to her love. >She’d taken it upon herself with this new form, to use every ounce of her power for the greater good, to travel great distances to aid others, but the isolation in her travels wore on her. At home, even in her towering new form, she was still Martlet, someone’s blue bird of happiness. In Anon’s arms she was reminded that the same heart still beat within her. She could be herself, body and soul.>She surged through the sheets of rain, as they met her in equal measure, freezing wind piercing through her feathers as she powered through the gale. The storm would have passed in a mere 3 days, but such a wait was unbearable with the warmth of home calling to her. She cut through the torrent, resolve burning as she finally caught sight of the shore. Her heart soared as she cut an angle towards the edge of the city. >It was only a matter of time now. How long had it been, a few weeks? A month? Too long.>Desire welled up in her soul as she drew near, aching in her chest as she finally caught sight of home. There he was, even from all the way up here through the pouring rain, she could see him sitting on the porch, staring into the rain. Her mind raced as she tilted into a dive. Was he thinking of her? Imagining that the storm must be keeping them apart just that much longer?>Did he need her the way she needed him?
>>739101802>She raced toward the ground, the world blurring until the last moment as she drew back her mighty wings, arcing at the last second into a harsh landing. She looked up through the storm to meet Anon’s eyes. She knew the answer already.>One step and then another, anon stumbled into the downpour, disbelief giving way to desperation as Martlet held her wings out. Anon broke into a run, nearly tripping into her grasp as he wrapped his arms around her, trembling fingers digging into her feathers as he heaved shuddering breaths in her embrace. >She held the passion coursing through her at bay for but a moment longer. She wanted him, he needed this. The moment of weakness he must have held until the moment she’d flown away, the loneliness they’d shared from so far apart. She leaned down, tilting his face to meet her eyes with her wing. The trembling subsided, and she could wait no more.>She descended upon him, pressing her beak into his lips as she carried him towards the house. One of his hands caressed her beak, while the other worked its way through feathers under her wing, then slowly along her chest. In one moment gently caressing, and in this next gripping deeply, making her gasp as their tongues intertwined. Hot breath shared between them as she fumbled for the doorknob, dragging anon into the house as she swung the door open.
>>739101774>john plantlover" problem.Why would that be a problem?
>>739101802>>739101859Hey, this is pretty nice stuff anon.I like the way the emotion is conveyed here for both of them, you did a nice job with this.
>>739102038Not the devanon but you look at the wider fandom and tell me with a straight face that an explicate HMOFA marriage with children wouldn't end horribly for himKanacole is already pushing it
>>739102192There are people in the wider fandom that want to fuck Flowey
>>739102267Yes and that proves that they are insane enough to have double standards
>>739102267Hey, it's not like he's underage.
>>739102127Thank you anon! I was thinking of trying to write a little of what comes next from Anon's perspective, but I'm not committed since just thinking about Martlet deep kissing Anon took me hours to actually put on paper.
>>739102359He is though.
>>739102496Nah, Toby called Asriel's hyperdeath form an adult, and that's still Flowey's mind, so he's of age.
>>739102298Just ignore those people.
>>739102458>just thinking about Martlet deep kissing Anon took me hours to actually put on paper.Very fair.Imagine being deep-kissed by Zenith Martlet so hard that you have to gasp for air after she pulls her tongue out of your throat.
>>739102192Yes, I am.
>>739102579my goodness that's amazing, astounding even. I do quite love the bird.I've never gone full smut, so It's uncharted territory if I try, but I'm sure it will take me 20 years per line as I'll have to stop and ponder the bird every singly keystroke.
>>739102695Well, I can assure you that you'd certainly have an audience if you ever did try your hand at lewder things.As it stands however, your work is already very good.
>>739102779That's Much appreciated Anon. We'll see what various tomorrows bring. For now, it was a pretty good thread.
