Holy shit never thought i'd say it... but Diablo 4 is actually good again.Lord of Hatred fixed EVERYTHING.
>>739084282did they fix pvp?
kys not playing till the last expansion
>>739084282activision-blizzard fingers typed this
>>739084282I'm not a faggot, I'll stick to PoE
>>739084282Diablo 4 was always good. You're only saying it's good now because you're regurgitating the opinion of other autists. You're an NPC.
>blizz listened they fixed everythingThe rallying cry of nuBlizz shills.
>>739086638What did you want them to do, not fix anything? You're fucking retarded.
>>739084282D4 BAD and will never be goodim sticking with D2
>>739084282>good again>again>implying it was ever good in the first place>or that it's good nowfuck off lol
DO NOT waste your money on this trash.I got baited and it's dogshit, nowhere near the money they ask.
>>739087319Tbh it is pretty good now. Admit it was ass before, but it's definitely competitive with POE2 now.
Playing through it now and fuck me there is some wild whiplash in the writingYou get kino moments with shit like Elias or UrivarThen you get retarded as shit moments with TaissaIt feels like they had one very competent writer and one nepo hire commiefornian writerHowever, I am still mad at the butchering of Monk, and its rebirth as the fucking Spiritborn. How did they nail the martial artist fantasy in D3 and fuck it up so bad in 4?
>>739084282They fixed "everything" except WASD movement I guess. That shit is still the worst in its genre. Insanely bad. So bad that I play with controller which is disgusting. Thankfully pic related exists and Diablo IV has hybrid input so I'm not too gimped.
>>739088797>WASD movementCasual detected
>>739088863>he doesn't play PoE2 with WASDLemme guess, you're a WoW fan?
>second grandfather imbue>indestructible againffs
>>739090305WoW is a WASD game. What are you even attempting here? To sound as stupid as possible?
I know nobody cares but i'm a mac gamer. yes i'm retarded. and i bought diablo 3 ultimate edition aka the one with all dlc for $20. because as mentioned, i am a mac gamer. but i mean i heard diablo 3 is genuinely good nowadays. so im kinda hyped ngl. off topic but don't u guys think it would be cool if devs went back to older games and updated them anyway? imagine if diablo 3 still got updates. but noooo number most go up. idk just rambling.
>>739085120Who the fuck cares about PvP in an ARPG retard lmao
>>739086418>calling anybody else an NPC while defending the only ARPG tailor made to appeal to the ball/gun audienceLol. Lmao even.
>>739087776They thought of Monk as the holy class replacement in D3, then wanted to retcon NigDoctor for D4 so they fused parts of the twoThough at the moment only the Gorilla skills and two Centipede skills use unarmed animationsThey could add Monk in the future and it would still be distinct imo, if a future expansion takes us to Ivgorod which we've never been to in a main gameSpeaking of Spiritborn, I've gotten two of these fucking mythic seals while I just want the Diamond Mind oneFuck you BlizzKike
>>739091305I'm kinda thinking about grabbing 3 instead of 4. Holding off on that on the off chance that 0.5 will change poe2 more than I think it will
>>739084282still not playing, blizzdrone
>>739092595Charms without 6 slots are useless
>>739084282kino
>>739084282i have 400 hours into the game and i can safely say that lord of hatred is fucking DOGSHIT, i wish we could roll back to before it came out.
>>739092291Hold on I don’t really play ARPG’s but they’re infamous for just grinding the same content over and over for hundreds of hours to get better gear, what’s the point if you’re not trying to make a good character for PVP?It’s not like a JRPG where you have superbosses or an MMO where you grind to gear up for some sort of raid
>get 3 ancestral drops >2 whites and a blue
>>739094949Increasing difficulty tiers
>>739095039just turn them into leggos with THE CUBE, duh
I got a paladin to lvl 70 in hardcore today
>>739092595>They could add Monk in the future and it would still be distinct imoI really doubt that, there would simply be too much overlap. Spiritborn COULD be really cool, but it has too much of an identity crisis. If they strip out all the martial artist aspects and leaned fully into the tribal warrior themes, then I could see a proper martial artist class coming. But as it is, it has random monk animations, a quarterstaff weapon and a "spirit" aspect to it, so its the best we will ever getI'm just glad we got a proper paladin and necro
>>739084282Does it have offfline mode and p2p now? I don't want mmo live service bs
started playing the gamepass version.white common gear is more rare to drop than anything else...which is a weird choice
>>739084282I have a simple question:Can I fully "complete" the game without spending money on anything other that the game itself?
Waiting for 2 to be on sale? When will it be on sale?
>>739096883I dunno if they changed the drop rates because of it, but Lord of Hatred introduced a way to transform commons into uniques
>>739096914Yes, unless you really feel the need to be a completionist with the ugly cash shop/battle pass cosmetics
>>739084282I played this recently expecting to play for awhile. I wasn't even paying attention to the story but I dropped it because the characters and dialogue were so cringe
>>739097047I have no interest in cosmetics, I just want to be able to see everything the game has to offer and beat all the difficultly levels without having to spend more money
>>739097084then you can do that
>>739097017was unaware. i'll stash a few i guess.
>>739096914>>739097084Yeah, I'm doing it right now. I'm not even aware of any way to manipulate the game via real-world currency at the moment.As a first-time player of D4 who wanted the same experience, at least for my first playthrough/character, here are some things I would recommend to do or take note of>Don't fast travel or do every side quest immediately, just follow the story and explore the world naturally as the route takes you, even if it backtracks>Ignore the "Priority Quest" that unlocks horses early on, it was originally unavailable until the beginning of Act IV of the original campaign, and in my opinion breaks the game if used prior to that, I personally didn't even start using mounts until post/endgame when I was just exploring for exploration's sake>Start on whatever difficulty you want, the menu descriptions of them are actually really informative and accurate, best rule of thumb is just to up the difficulty when you start to feel bored in dungeon mobs and aren't moving around; I started on Normal, changed to Hard @20, Expert @40, and then Penitent after unlocking it, and so on from there>Ignore all of the seasonal/achievement popups and rewards, that shit's fine, but gay as fuck if you're just trying to play the game for the game's sake the first time>Respec/Rerolling skills is freeAnd while this is a more personal preference, I'm just gonna say it; for better or worse, all of the paid cosmetics look like dogshit. Like, they look like something a twelve year-old would think is cool. They look ripped out of fucking Fortnite. The vast array of in-game unlockable cosmetics, even the ugliest ones, look better than virtually anything in the shop. All of the paid cosmetics are overproduced nonsense ripped straight out of World of Wacraft, sometimes literally, and it looks completely out of place in Diablo's world.I honestly wish there was a way to disable even seeing it because I hate seeing a faggot wearing any of it.
>hear about how upset everyone is at Diablo 4 for years>oh wow it must be really bad>play it recently>it’s fine, good even, actually really goodNever listening to faggots online again.
It does feels very good reaching each power spike on the paragon board and getting mystics. After that I stopped playing, there is nothing else to improve.
Will 2 and 4 be on sale this summer on Steam?
>>739084282>uniques with totally random stats>zero agency over unique "crafting" (3-to-1 in cube)>zero agency over build-altering transfigures such as gem strength, just pressing button in cube>getting a good GA legendary involves getting items en masse from the gambler and then 3-to-1 everything in the cube>90% of builds are going to struggle to get glyphs to 150>can't even make simple fixes such as putting core tag back on ball lightning >patches introduce as many bugs as they fix>bugged shit gets introduced that allows a particular build to simply one-shot anything >builds that do the highest damage can also be immortal, which makes no fucking sense from a balance perspective>more bosses with multiple invulnerable/quasi-invulnerable phases>rolling alts is painful, because war plans are per character, and your mythic uniques are probably going to be unmodifiable, preventing you from rerolling tempers/masterworks for another buildGame is now worse than it was before
>>739099264It was very bad for a long time. The version you are playing now is after blizzard was browbeaten into offering a competent arpg formula
>>739100317>ball lightning exploiter crying his bitch tearsLole LmoaNo dude its actually perfectly normal do being hundreds of trillions of dps with shit gear actually, youre right other classes just have skill issue players kekkkkk
>class with space for 3 stat sticks winds up being monstrously overpowered in exponential scaling type of contentWoaw who could have seen that coming
>>739084282>$0.02 has been deposited into your account
>>739094228the other legendary charm reduces required runes in a set by one which in practice doesnt actually do anything because it doesnt lower a 2 set to a 1 piece so at best you have a spot for an other basic rune that has the same stats as your old set one anyways. literally whats the point. but you could instead stack up 3 legendary amulet bonuses, like berserking and locrans and whatever op class one there is.
>>739084282What did it fix? I feel like it ms just a better expansion than VoH, where the base game was also pretty good.
They fix two by two yet? Im not going through lair keys unless the portal can pop
>>739084282>Holy shit never thought i'd say it... butthe game you want to advertise is fixed now! come back!! kys
>>739092451Diablo 4 is more complex than 2
>>739102783Who am I meant to side with here
>>739102783The story is just a series of >zanzibart.... forgive me...moments
>>739102814Elias was literally right all along
>>739087776>However, I am still mad at the butchering of Monk, and its rebirth as the fucking Spiritborn. How did they nail the martial artist fantasy in D3 and fuck it up so bad in 4?i feel exactly the same way. massive fucking blunder.
Better get this:PhysicalFireLightningGood to have:PoisonSometimes:ShadowWho the fuck uses this aside frozen?Cold
>>739102891This is literally just Fate Zero’s plot.
>>739090863and an other one
>>739099382But that is when the main game begins, t.blizzard. Get all your easy to get pieces and just level everything up and watch numbers go up such gameplay loop, infinite playability, we spent 2 minutes on this system now buy some skins we spent months on those
>still havent actually fixed endgameI mean, warplans are a nice addition, but its still the same boring shit, and in some cases, redundant and pointless like infernal hordes
>>739102986I've gone through like a 100 ancestral swords and have never seen a gem imbue
>>739084282No its just dogshit just like these shill threads which will be dead and gone in a week
>>739103471>everyones shilling but meThe new antishill
>>739085120go play apex
>>739084282how much do they pay you guys to spam these threads?
If it's so good, then give me a free copyGoblinKing#11160
>I-I'm not shilling>nevermind that the thread has been alive for 10 hours and has less than 80 posts, that's a complete coincidenceI hope you're being paid to bump this shitty thread, because that's less depressing than being a Blizzard fan in 2026.
>>739105582sent ;)
>>739105685Kek, even the general over at vm is dead.
>>739105747>>739105685>i dont have a vendetta I swearI’m tired of all these rapefugee developer fans who got burned once on some shit game and make it their life mission to shit up a game forum
[Buy a fucking ad Microsoft]
>>739084282I will never forgive them for spending 10 years turning a shit game in diablo 3 to a great game only to turn around and release diablo 4 in the exact state that caused diablo 3 to fail BUT THIS TIME RELEASE IT FOR $80. I will never buy another blizzard game again after that they are genuinely the worst dev in the industry
>>739105920>game forum
>>739087476>hey okay you got me. It never was good. But it IS good now! Trust! Go spend money!
>>739084282Diablo 3 is still better in terms of turn-your-brain-off-and-turn-on-auto-pilotAlso, when I play 4 sometimes my character refuses to cast or move for like 1-2second which is fucking annoying, it's not a controller issue bécasse I can see the button being pressed but it just refuses to do anything and this shit has been here since release>>739088797Controllers are the ultimate devices to play arpg retard>>7390925973 is solid for the price, 4 is still aslol is fine yeah, but the main story + VoH are pure dogshit
>>739106040Oh sorry bro I meant image boardThen this nigga will say what the fuck is a Haruhi
>>739106253the game is laggy as fuck and twice as laggy if you have crossplay onthats what causes you to just stand there
>>739106253>refuses to castHappens to me often too, theres some kind of imput delay and it sucks ass.
which class will just werk without a build guide, necro or rogue?dont really plan on doing summon necro either if that helps narrow it down
>>739084282It is unironically really good. It is pretty scummy of them to lock some of the skill tree rework behind buying the expansion, I wish they hadn't done that. They always somehow shoot themselves in the foot with something retarded even when most of what they've changed with the expansion is great.
>>739106253>controllers kill itI actually think that a lot of people who bounce off of Poe2 and d4 aren’t playing on controller. D4 becomes really good on controller because spacing becomes multidirectional and way different.
games balanced is completely fucked lmao90% of players are playing barb
>>739107272>90% of players in the endgame (1% of players) are playing one classCan people just shut the fuck up on this board
>>739107354only 1% are playing above torment 1? lolif you check any parties in the party finder its always all barbarianslegion events all barbarians
>>739107272Its not fucked, two classes stand out on top with Barb only having two busted builds and Sorc having one. And everyone else is pretty much grouped together into a lower tier with Rogue leading the pack by a bit.
I don't like class tailored drops. I liked playing D2 HxCx and saving a gear store up for new different characters. Also don't feel excited picking up 1 of 12 actually unique items. Boring design.
I fucking hate what ARPGs turn into at the end game. Just particles and spinning shit flooding the whole screen and wiping mobs. Just like D2, that mid game is where the combat actually shines, not these bullshit builds that PoE and D3 started up.
>>739084282Diablo 4s OST is so fucking goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdBw3VPE_Ho
>>739109486Now I gotta post my shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqi8z3cwwUEIt reminds me of Attack on Titan. I think d4s team are into anime.
Until they give me my renown back they haven't fixed a god damn thing
If there could be a game that mixed the best of PoE2 and D4, I'd be very happy.
>>739084282>they fixed everythingWhat is everything?>they added doom/WoW skins into the game, #buynow !Aha, thank you blizzshit drone.
>>739109691Cry more retard
>>739108671I agree, less is more and you can clearly feel it when you play something like classic wow—which is not an ARPG but it has levels and loot and getting +2 agi feels good as opposed to in an actual ARPG when +100% damage not as good
>>739110515Thanks for the encouragement, here you go.It's disrespectful to the player to revoke something the player worked for. I spent a lot of time doing all those dumb town quests to grind renown and pots and I've got nothing to show for it. It used to be easy to just jump in to a new season and get a build off the ground quickly, now it's lame and gay.
>>739110746How the fuck it’s desrietpwtcful it’s a video games ist it’s my realAre you telling me that when
Never played Diablo 4, how different is the late game compared to Diablo 3? I personally loved the rifts/greater rifts and the itemization, how the builds worked. Is it similar?
>>739084282>They fixed EVERYTHING>just give us another $80 over what you already paid, goy
Probably just going to buy 2. Is the remaster worth playing? How the QoL chances? I kinda hate how the og diablo 2 only have 2 buttons for skills (left and right click). Does the remaster have more buttons now?
>>739098189What's the advantage of not using a horse? I'm also playing for the first time and traveling without a horse in the overworld seems annoying to me. Mobs have MMO tier spawn rate with little groups every 10 steps and the environmental storytelling is nonexistent.
>>739111721I really don't like Diablo 2 remastered. It suffers from the same problem as all these fan projects: “We threw in random mechanic from Poe because that’s what people want from Diablo 2”. In general all these changes and the addition of a new class just feel wrong. Diablo 2 was a fully finished game and the fact that modern Blizzard is revisiting it after so many years feels like an insult.
>>739111721Just play Project Diablo 2
>>739092595>%dmg>%dmg>%dmgHOLY FUCKING SOULLESS BORING SHIT
>Rathma>brute of hatredFucking hell these bosses aren’t messing around. It’s like some sort of bullet hell ARPG. On Expert with a Legendary kit if anyone’s wondering.
>>739084282getting iron maiden album cover vibes from this image of diablo
>>739084282Do you keep making this thread or is it unanimous that the game is so good everyone feels they must explicitly proclaim it in op
>>739084282>no offline modeI'll pass blizzdrone
>>739113851What’s next offline 4chan? Sit down
>>739100656Barb isn’t even doing the most damage in the game though, that’s Sorc and Warlock
Building a character in D3 was so easy, progression seems really irritating in D4.
>>739085741D4 will get up to 6, d2 up to 5 exp
>>739111534It’s actually pretty much the same lol. Pit/Tower are kinda like Rifts/Greater Rifts, Warplans are similar to Blunties (with a bit of the Atlas stuff from PoE), Glyphs are Legendary Gems (not quite as powerful, but you get 5), sets are back, there’s a very rare Mythic Seal that is basically RoRG, a very rare drop that opens up Echoing Nightmares…
Which ARPG is the best on the market right now? I only played Diablo 2, Grim Dawn, Wolcen and some Chinese bootleg of Diablo 2
>>739114640D4 and it's not even close
>>739114640You’d have to go through them all, you’d never know. Most people here have only gone through D4 and PoE2 as far as modern games go, and you can’t blame them. They’re the most polished of the bunch. As for Last Epoch and friends, who knows
>we have to help mephisto stop lilith!>we have to help lilith stop mephisto!
>>739116315I want to make a joke, but the whole thing is orchestrated by Mephisto. Even as far back as _______.
>>739116315Lilith was on her rampage mode and want to remake the world. Mephisto offer his help because he would also be fucked by Lilith plan and he knows we have no other choice. Now Mephisto wants to fuck up the world and Lilith has calm down enough to accept a truce against her hated father.
>>7390842820.5 poe2 waiting room
>>739114640Grim Dawn
>>739114640Path of Exile 2, you will see a lot of D2 in this game
>>739116758CW tv show shit
>>739116818>PooE2Hello Tencent Shill.How's it feel knowing your 350mil investment barely broke 500k CCU peak while "D4Bad" is hoverint at 3.7mil daily peak on all platforms?
>>739116818>Path of Exile 2I got scared by the skill tree
if the first season doesnt nerf box crafting so you cant basically guarantee all greater affixes and nerf the fucking gem strength transfiguration the expansion is DoAthe way the cube worked in 3 was perfectly fine they didnt need to buff the shit out of it
>Check steam page>Check D4 bundle>See Vessel of hatred got overwhelming negative receptionWhat happened?
>>739116818>roll roll roll rollWoah it's JUST like Diablo 2
>>739116935it made profit day 1 if you didnt know>>739116974well it is a filter, instead of being scared embrace it and think of any build you want to make you can make it, look at it that way>>739117196in terms of aesthetics, acts 1-3 are the same, rune sockets, classes, skills, wisdom scolls, the vast majority of the stuff in poe and poe2 is from or inspired by d2
>>739102783great scene with amazing delivery
Another "D4 is good now!" thread? Epic still aint buying the expansions after paying more then full price because I am a retard. Ill wait for all expansions or a lot for 1 cheap price years from now
>>739117765They bundle up the previous expansion into the new releases so you basically get all the old ones + current expac for 39€.Aside from that D4 was always good.
>>739117871>D4 was always good.It's still dogshit, faggot
>>739117928Dilate tranny
>>739117871>D4 was always goodSure sure. If you liked doing helltides over and over and adding +5 to something every once in a while. Just kinda odd how D4 bros like/ are okay with getting fisted by expansions (that lock you out of skills ) on a fully priced game
>>739098189this post is the epitome of a shiteater trying to sell shit eating to a retard>okay, when the plate with shit arrives, do not dig into the diarrhea sides first - they are lukewarm and ruin the experience of the main shit. also, do not use the spoon. yes, it makes the shit-eating easier, but the shit-meal was designed with a fork in mind, the spoon was originally only used for the shit-desert
>>739117425Most ARPGs make a profit, Tencent Shill.The difference between your slop and D4 is nearly an order of magnitude in favor of D4, though.I'll take my American Made hyper-success over your chink spyware "success", thanks.
>>739118046Maybe don't add a Frieren image if you want me to give a shit about your horrible opinion.
Blizzard drones are super cucked it would be pretty impressive if it wasn't so repulsive
>>739118234>The difference between your slop and D4 is nearly an order of magnitude in favor of D4kek whatever retard
I wish D3 Eternal Collection was more popular online, but multiplayer on D4 looks like a good edition and I bought it.
>>739118234Are we acting like activision blizzard isn't bending the knee to chinks all the time? Ask em about taiwan type it out in all chat lol
>>739118650Microslop pandering to chinese sensibilities and a literal chink spyware company are entirely different realms, shill.
>>739111534Its D3.5 pretty much. Pick a set. Get dmg multi on everything. Get big dmg numbers and big rif- pit numbers
>>739118763Rubbing the shaft is totally diffrent then fondling the balls!
>>739118040>blizzdrone calling anyone a tranny
I like it but after playing for 100 hours it's just impossible to find better gear and the leveling starts to slow down pretty bad as well. I still haven't killed echo of Mephisto on T10 or whatever to unlock the last seasonal page so I guess there's that to work towards, but this phase of the game is just as boring as it was in Vessel of Hatred era.
>>739086883It shouldn't have taken this long to get the game in a half decent plate. Either way POE is still miles better
>>739084282Not really, faggot. But you already play Diablo so I don't expect you not to have a garbage opinion.
