>Game ends with you killing the Demiurge and escaping the cycles of death and rebirth
>>739096285>I don't like either side so fuck it allcareful with your wrongthink pal.
>>739096354>Your options are drinking snot or eating shit>Choose pee instead>This somehow makes me the bad guy
>game ends with you giving everyone poopAIDS for the lolz
>>739096429the foul dung eater....
>>739096285Gnosticism is so interesting it's like Buddhism but Christian. How did it never catch on?
>>739096508>He doesn't know
>>739096441the despicable doodoo devourer...
>>739096285>Game ends with you killing the Demiurge and then going out for ramen with your classmates and a talking cat
>>739096531yeah i dont
>someone thinks God is perfect for some reason and so an imperfect world must mean two gods, one perfect and one not>despite the fact that God repeatedly gets things wrong or has to punish people for doing the opposite of whatever he actually wanted, showing emotions and desires much like any normal human>"it couldn't be THAT God that created Christ!"Why?Why can't you just accept God isn't perfect and had been embarrassed by his creation until sending us Christ whose redemption saved all of us and will save the faithful when God finally feels the natural reaction of 'wrath' arise from how fucked our world is.There is nothing evil about getting pissed that your hard work didn't amount to what you wanted and that everyone you trust to fix it just makes shit worse.
>>739096285Neo-gnostism is a Russian depression psyop.
>>739096689I don't know either.
>>739096285
>>739096285YOU don't escape the cycle, you are killing everybody and are going to be the last one left behind
Is the Elden Ring world purgatory or not?Unironically, how does society work of everyone is insane/mutated or some grotesque beast?
>>739097781it was normal before everybody was made immortal
>>739098273Literally every Soulsborne plot btw
>>739097781I always thought of it as a place where several different gods has a chance to compete to become THE God.
>>739098421It's good every time
>>739096556The foul fecal feaster
>>739096429>Game ends with making the whole world India
>>739096285Frenzied Flame ending is really a case of 'the grass is not at all greener on the other side'. The Golden Order is inherently flawed, but my brother in Christ, you are being duped into destroying the world by someone who is literally telling you anything you want to hear to make you follow its schemes. Both sides are controlled by mental defect stillbirths of gods whose prophecies are at best misinterpreted and at most complete nonsense.
>>739098421>every Soulsborne plotneither the beasts or aliens in bb are immortal
>>739096354>I don't like either side so I kill them all>I win
>game ends with your wife hunting you down and eventually winning because she’s been a god all along
>>739096285>killing the demi-urgeto just let in a demi-urge to burn the world and have nothing else ever come about again
>>739099475the gregarious guano gorger
>>739097781the game is disconnected from the world, don't worry about ita lot of voicelines and item descriptions imply the world is still functioning albeit in an altered state, yet most people you come across are literal hollows
>>739101114>iyou are not the frenzied flame, you are not shabriri, you do not "merge" or "become" anything, you just get owned like everyone else
>>739100249I'm not being duped. I do want to kill them all. Fuck Melina and ranni and marika and miquella. It literally is all their fault. We are all going back into the one, and maybe when it all splits again it produces a better world.
whichever ending lets me have sex with the most waifus (especially snakegirl) is the best. idc about your gods and philosophical metaphysics slop. also a harem for Boc. absolutely seething that he's not there in the final cutscene with you as you sit on the throne
>>739101329That's your opinion. There's never been a successful lord of frenzied flame before me. Even then, I'd rather we all go back into being one. Frenzied flame and greater will used to be the same thing
>>739101371It doesn't matter if it's all their fault, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. There's NO guarantee you're going back into the one, there's NO guarantee it'll all split again, and there's certainly no guarantee it'll be a better world.
>>739096285>kill the demiurgeElden Ring has too many false gods to have a real demiurge.
>>739096285>escape the cycles>gain brouzouf
>>739096508Too esoteric for its own good. There was one gnostic group that actually tried to preach its teachings (the Valentinians), but every other one appears to have been extremely closed off to outsiders and you had to go through years long initiation rituals to become a full member. Like Scientology. The Valentinians were successful for centuries, before being repressed following a series of edicts from the late Roman Emperors.
>>739096285based, how do we do that in irl life?
>>739101874Skynet
>game ends with you replacing the demiurge
>frenzied flameSpiteful incel ending.>become lordNormalfag ending.>those who live in estrogenTranny ending.>dark moonRanni simp ending.>poopoo manle funny meme ending>GoldmaskBased ending.
>>739096285One of the best villain routes in a game. I wish other companies would take note.
>>739101114Based>>739101329Fag
>>739097781Think of it as something akin to Olympus or Valhalla.
>>739096508one of the earliest christian schisms was gnostic/patristic split, but the former group got btfo'd so hard there's effectively nothing remaining of their viewsthe only thing with any cultural weight in the modern day is no different than esoteric renaissance gobbledygook, like naming 72 dukes of hell and their domains (which is just pre-internet OC autism)
>>739101371>>739100249OY VEY IM NOT BEING DUPED THIS IS MY SAMSON OPTION YOU PUT MY PEOPLE IN THE SEWER AND BANNED US FROM EATING BABY DICK SO NOW I'M GOING TO MELT IT ALL IN FRENZY (nuclear) FIRE
>>739103281Leyndell's Anti-Shabriri policies need to be stopped!We were promised fingerprint grapes 3000 years ago!!
>>739102114>Comprises of a whopping three events (meeting the Fingers, burning yourself instead of Melina and the ending) for a combined total of about four minutes of play time>Doesn't meaningfully change the plot other than Melina leaves you twenty minutes early>Even after committing the ultimate unforgiveable sin you can shrug it off and go back to the normal route by beating Malenia which you were going to do anywayYeah, the ending cutscene is very cool, but you should play more games before you make a claim like that.
>>739100249>who is literally telling you anything you want to hear to make you follow its schemesDoes Shabriri lie to you or even omit anything about what the Frenzied Flame will do to the world? Pretty sure you're always completely aware of what you're going to cause if you go through with it.
The Frenzied Flame is another demiurge you stupid new fag
>>739096508I think they had rituals involving sex and drugs, at least some sects did, which was a big no-no
>>739096354that should have been the poopoo eater route
>>739107742>>739107797Look at these normies who could have replied anytime but chose when I chose.Slaves
>>739099520>somehow make Caelid even worse
>>739100249Frenzied Flame is just some men just want to see the world burn. Every faction is fighting each other for control and this mother fucker just wants pure chaos. Midra soundtrack really embraces the danger of madness as how liberating it is once you actually go mad
>>739101636At least your legs are OK Brozoufski
>>739096285>killing the DemiurgeYou kill a literal intern.He left a long time ago and left all his followers on read.
>>739096285that's just like Amphoreus!
you did FF to be edgyI did it to save my waifuwe are not the same
>Mfw I cleared the Subterannean Shunnings Shitters yesterdayNow I can enjoy the rest of the game knowing I never have to step foot in this shithole again.
>>739107408Shabriri's straight up playing on what he thinks are your lordly sensibilities. The only inkling he gives of what the flame will do is it will help you "Burn the Erdtree to the ground, and incinerate all that divides and distinguishes." It's only after you actually inherit the flame that Hyetta actually explains that the Flame of Frenzy wants to burn away everything. The only reason Shabriri even gives up the act when you meet him is because you knew the person whose body he's inhabiting. It's also heavily implied that he did the exact same thing to Vyke, who was going to be Elden Lord before he was manipulated to save his own maiden.Oh, by the way? Hyetta's is the dead corpse of Irina, supplanted with fake memories and used as a fake maiden to manipulate you. It's why Irina's corpse can be used as the maiden's blood for Varre's quest; she has the makings of a maiden, which is why Shabriri's using her.Shabriri's entire shtick is manipulating others to succumb to madness. He accused the merchants of heresy, the persecution of which served as a strong enough connection to manifest the Frenzied Flame in the Lands Between. He's using you. He doesn't fucking care if there's anything after the world is burned.
>>739107079The only way to remove the frenzy flame is completing millicents questline and choosing the good ending. And then you have to find a secret location and fight a secret boss in the final level so you then can remove it. It's not as simple as you're making it seem to be
>>739109905You can still save melina and do the best ending which gets you the superior waifu anyway
it will never stop being funny to me that shabriri is an actual jewish demon and the questline involves demon-worshipping merchants that got pogrom'dmiyazaki you god
>>739110441>superior waifu anywayRanni fags are retarded
>Elden Lord ending>You know, things used to be pretty good before the Shattering. Let's go back to that.>Fia ending>Undead lives matter! They have a right to unlive!>Frenzied Flame ending>I hate this and therefore I will destroy everything and everyone. No, I will not elaborate further.>Shitmuncher ending>lol. lmao even.>Goldmask ending>The source code of reality causes problems when misused. Make it admin-access only.>Ranni ending>The source code of reality causes problems when misused. Move it to an inaccessible remote server.
>>739110629You fell victim to the same blunder as everyone else did. The nomadic merchants didn't worship (or even know) the Flame of Frenzy. Shabriri was a guy who literally slandered the merchants as being demon-worshippers, starting a crusade that resulted in nearly their entire people getting buried underground. The Frenzied Flame seems to favour coming to people who suffer great injustices: Irina, an innocent maiden who dies from her father's misguided sense of duty, finds the Frenzied Flame, who puppets her under the guise Hyetta. Yura, who made it his goal to try and save his companion Eleonora from her bloodlust, dies to her blade, knowing that he never even got close to saving her.Shabriri literally gets executed for slander. He fooled everyone. He fooled you too.
>>739101152>Not sacrificing her to burn down the tree then switching to Frenzied Flame path so just just doesn't appear in the ending.
>>739096694Man. Don't you guys ever get tired of rationalizing Christianity? You always end up saying some heretical shit. Just give it all up. It's all kike nonsense
>>739111136>Elden Lord ending>you can't breed a litter of demigods with Marika because she remains a statue
>>739111429Check out this anon who wants to fuck Radagon
>>739111470Marika and Radagon are 2 diferent people, they were forced to become one to keep Marika in check because she wanted to break from the Greater Will while Radagon was a fundamentalist
The whole Malenia plotline is shit. You often forget she exists for long period of times and all her endings are unsatisfying. She either burns herself or she hates you for picking the FF, and she has zero reaction when you cure yourself.It would've been better if you had to actually pick one from several maidens in the game to be sacrificed.
>>739111647>MaleniaMelina*
>>739111647There should have been an extra ending for burning the tree yourself and then curing yourself. It is such a convoluted fuck ass quest for the pay off basically to have been just the option to choose other normal endings.
>>739111176>man discovers that the chosen tribe worships a literal demon>tells everyone about it>for the crime of opposing the chosen tribe his eyes are plucked out, a propaganda campaign makes him the most hated man in history>the jewish demon takes his name to dishonor him even further>oy vey goyim never forget what shabriri did to us>btw he had one testicle took meth and raped his niece
>>739097781no, the game is not about judeo christ
>>739096508gnosticism is all about secret knowledge. It's the exact opposite of evangelism.
>>739096285>UTY
>>739100249>>739101329There's no schemes and I'm not being tricked, they're pretty straightforward about their plan.Kill everything and everyone and melt it back to start over.Doesn't matter who's holding the reins to get that shit done.
>>739099520>I will rid the land of its caste system>by making everyone dalit
>>739096285KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>739096285>get tricked by a jewish demon>end all existencecouldn't be a hopechad like me
>>739097781no, it's a place where jackasses keep trying to become immortal and break something about the world in the process culminating in queen jackass trying to make EVERYONE immortal and breaking things harder than anyone before her.
>>739100249I just hated the whole setting from the start so i really appreciate the option to burn it as the trash it is.>>739111357I did this but not knowingly, I just liked her enough to grant her death wish and then I just did what I thought it was right
>>739096429Aw gawd, look at this then, ehWhat a bloody lil defoiler we got ere ehSO HERE IT IS, MERRY CHRISTMASEVERYBODY'S HAVIN FUN
>>739096285The frenzied flame is literally part of the GW and the same hand as the two fingers. It’s just the cleanse and refurnish option
>>739096508It did catch on and was mercilessly crushed out of existence just like every single other competitor to Cuckstianity was. Mithraism used to be popular in the Empire. Paganism was popular etc. All of them stamped out by judeo hall monitors to ensure you receive Torah influenced divinity instead
>>739110295It's the best place in the game, because it's the worst place in the game
>>739114448the greater will wants to reconstitute itself back into the one great as the laws of regression and causality imply. frenzy flame is fueled by the fragments of gold in every living thing. it's the jungian shadow of the greater will. the base desire to destroy it all and leave nothing because that's easier than reconstituting itself. hyetta isn't lying about the one great, but melting everything back into one whole is a lie because once something has been shattered it can't be put back together the same way.
>>739111357Only correct way>true villain feel>ending shot is just the tree burning >no more sequel bait>everything is gone
>>739110370Same
>>739112250Also a micropenis, experts say.
>>739096285Gnosticism is the most satanic and cringey dogshit religion/ideology I've ever experienced.At least Hinduism, despite being extremely satanic, is honest in its subhumanism and satanism.At least Islam, despite being extremely satanic, is honest in its bloodlust, murder, enslavement and satanism.Gnosticism pretends to understand the Bible, while completely going against it, yet somehow still attracts people. Dimwits who think they are smarter than they actually are, are truly cringe.
>>739096285A worrying amount of anons are way too proud of falling for Shabriri's jewish tricks.
>>739109905I did it for both reasons.
>>739115146Weren't Gnostics the first people to even take the early christian texts seriously as religious texts before the catholic or orthodox churches were even properly created?
>>739096285I want a gnostic uspired game were the propater is way way way worse that the demimurge.
>40 DEX 40 ARC>+9 on my Eleonora Poleblade>Still feels like I'm doing peashooting damage to bosses
>>739115146Lmao, you mean the text that has been translated, retranslated, censured, written down from oral traditions and modified by an incalculable number of times?
>>739096354Only SMT got it right.>Heaven or hell?>humanity.
>>739115375because that weapon sucks. long recovery on the r2 and a bad skill that keeps you in place for 15 seconds and doesn't have the raw dps of blackflame tornado to make up for it. get a couple bandit's curved swords and bleed infuse them. or just use reduvia.
>>739110441You can also get the FF ending after tossing Melina in the fire if you're feeling absolutely devilish
>>739115256True Christians have received the Holy Ghost, they follow Jesus, not the satanic catholic church or the satanic orthodox churches.>>739115447>translatedNot an issue.>retranslatedNot an issue.>censuredFalse claim, no evidence.>written down from oral traditionsNot an issue.>and modified by an incalculable number of timesFalse claim, no evidence.
>>739115159And an even more worrying amount gaslight themselves into believing things that were never said. No dumbasses, when the devil said existence was a mistake and must be undone, they're not talking about making a better world or another world or any kind of anything, all life will end, forever. It's actually sad that they seemingly can't even commit to what their choosing and want to still believe there is more to it than just destroying everything.
>>739115146Some Gnostic sects predate the organization of New testament scripture entirely and were operating out of their own texts and understanding of the events. It's not a religion exactly it's a cosmological understanding that was applied to multiple religions of the time including Christianity.
>>739110370>The only inkling he gives of what the flame will do is it will help you "Burn the Erdtree to the ground, and incinerate all that divides and distinguishes."MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLDDisingenuous faggot.
>>739115790Yeah, like all the other satanic religions, all of it is from the devil and his fallen angels.Jesus BTFO's them all. Follow Jesus, not cringe satanic religions.
>>739115375There are some weapons you should not use without Millicent's Prosthesis, and that is one of them.
>>739109905You niggers are somehow worse.>I saved my waifu even though she didn't want to be saved, is already a literal ghost, explicitly told me not to do this one, incredibly dangerous thing that would doom the entire world, hates my guts now, and left me forever swearing to put my head on a stake
>>739115732>Over the centuries, redactors and translators have deliberately edited, expanded, or omitted sections. This includes merging earlier texts, adding new endings to stories, or completely removing verses that do not appear in the oldest and most reliable manuscriptsYou're delusional
>>739115870You're getting mad about the teachings of a specific branch of a philisophy and throwing the entire conceptualization under a blanket they don't share.
>>739116052He lives a life full of fear. Pity him as that’s a miserable existence.
>FF ending breaks the cycle of birth and deathWrong, here's your death.
>>739116043Keep blindly believing in unverified claims. "oldest manuscripts" doesn't mean they are legitimate. You are the delusional one."The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4.All the wicked can conspire and scheme, all of it is nullified, the LORD uses them against themselves without them even comprehending it, just like how the LORD JESUS CHRIST BTFO Satan on the cross.
>>739116052No branch of Gnosticism is a philosophy, it is an ideology, a cult and a religion. First comprehend what philosophy is before claiming something to be a philosophy. I am not getting mad, I urinate on gnosticism all the time, the most cringey dogshit ideology/religion I have ever experienced in this world.>>739116097Nah, those who have received the Holy Ghost like me live happy. We have eternal life.
>>739102014wtf even changes in in the Goldmask ending? The Golden Order just remains in power, right?
>>739116829Protestant Golden Order
>>739096285>Make 5 endings>3 of them are just your character sitting in a chair with different lighting in the backgroundHaving to slog through a 60 hour long game of copy and pasted enemies and bosses only to find out the endings are copy and pasted too really got me irked
does anyone even completes these questlines without a guide? i hate this obtuse shit, which is why i ignored the story in this game
>>739116350But you haven't actually raised any criticisms of Gnosticism, of ehicj there are many for certain sects. You're just asserting a conclusion and using language that mostly confers a sense of frustration.
>>739116981dung eater is protestant. the name obviously refers to luther who ate a spoonful of shit every day.
>>739117067Yeah that was pretty gay. Luckily I got one of the better ones. I can't really imagine how going through the whole game and getting a generic ending would feel. Would be pretty deflating
>>739116829his rune makes the elden ring read only so it can't be changed going forward. which is flawed number one because the current configuration is heavily stripped down from what it once was, number 2 the state of the world is so warped that he's reading from a tree instead of the actual source of light which is the sun.
>>739116981Dear god...
>>739117086Criticism? I don't need to. I am just stating the truth. Jesus is the truth, therefore everything else is false, including Gnosticism.
>>739117110Both Luther and Calvin are satanic garbage just like Catholic and Orthodox.True Christians follow the LORD JESUS CHRIST and have received THE HOLY GHOST.
>>739114512Christians are so powerful
>>739117380cool your shit, crazy pants
>>739117174It's only flawed in the same way using the Bible as your constitution is flawed.
>>739117474Nigga shit can't die. That's just fucking gone. How do you run a world without death?
>>739117456No, I will not. Luther and Calvin saw that Orthodox and Catholics were satanic garbage, instead of following and obeying Jesus, they started their own satanic garbage sect and massacred and tortured people who exposed their manmade satanicly influenced doctrines that have nothing to do with the bible.Luther, Calvin, Catholic leaders and Orthodox leaders are all burning in hell forever.True Christians follow the LORD JESUS CHRIST and spit on these manmade doctrines and religions, they are of the devil.
>>739117424*Jews
>>739117630Ironically an extremely Gnostic take
>>739117630Why do you do reddit spacing?
>>739117750Lord Jeebus Christ whispers right into his ear to reddit space
>>739117667Jews had literally nothing to do with it, early Christianity’s greatest enemy after Constantine legitimized them was other sects of heretical Christianity. They fought themself for decades until there was only one major school of thought left, which is why the modern sects are so retardedly hair splitting in their beliefs.
>>739117738>Ironically an extremely Gnostic takeNope. Gnosticism is the worst of them all, because they wage war against God by claiming that the God of the old testament is evil and that the God of the new testament is a hippy pacifist loving God.1. The God of the old testament had and has every right to genocide the humans who wage war against him IF, WHEN and HOW he chooses to do so.2. God being loving, designating and sending THE LORD JESUS CHRIST so that the free gift of salvation becomes available to humanity doesn't mean that he won't or is incapable of genocide. When THE LORD JESUS CHRIST returns, He will genocide and exterminate the wicked once and for all.There is nothing gnostic about True Christians, we follow and obey THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.Not Luther/Calvin/Orthodox/Catholic churches/religions.>>739117750I like to seperate some stuff.
>>739101276That's just them huffing copium
>>739117954The Gnostic Genesis people like to meme about was specifically fabricated by Jewish Apocalyptic Gnostic Sects like the Sethians. ""Mainstream"" Gnostics like the Valentinians interpreted the events of Genesis as having a Metaphysical underlayer but they didn't outright invert it into The Serpent being a good guy like the Sethians
>>739118178You can just press enter once if you want to separate (not seperate) stuff.It's also not just because you like separating stuff, but because you come from the dreaded hellhole who's name we shall not speak.
>>739116829"Lol", said Miyazaki."Lmao", responded Martin.
>>739116012>do not take away the world's life, there is beauty in that>"okay I'll start with not taking away yours">has a meltiewhat the fuck is her problem?
>>739116012>preserve this world of immortal suffering but don't you DARE make me live in itSaving Melina and then doing the poopoo ending is the best outcome, fuck her
>>739103281>YOU PUT MY PEOPLE IN THE SEWERi'm not a merchant, i'm a tarnishedi've travelled the lands between and everyone good died i deem this world not worth it, so i'll burn it
>>739118402>You can just press enter once if you want to separate (not seperate) stuff.No, I want there to be an empty line sometimes.
>>739119715You're just making your posts take more space to look bigger, and it's nothing but schizoid rants.
>>739096531>does he Gnow?
>>739119838I like reading my posts after I've posted them, the empty space is something I like, I don't always use it, but when I do, it is because I want it there. I don't care if it takes more space, is space limited in 4chan threads? I don't care if I get called schizoid, I am used to it by now.
>>739119838It's not even schizoid. It's just bottom of the barrel mormon posting
>>739120009
>>739120205Nope, mormon is another satanic cult.
>>739096285>"I'm going to end all life because... Life sucks, and stuff, you know...?"
>>739110406>and fight a secret bossIncorrectAll you need to do is get to that fossil's arena and use the needleYou can fuck off without fighting him and it worksThe place was special, not the dragon
>>739120686Life objectively sucks in Elden RingI didn't see a single establishment that could be considered in the enterntainment business on the entire map
What's the deal with the poop connoisseur anyway? How is he able to create a fucking mending rune and why is his projection a different being altogether (his projection meets you in the Roundtable Hold, yet when you meet him in the sewers he asks who you are)?
>game gives you a choice>everyone seethes and malds because you took "the wrong choice">game gives you a choice>everyone seethes and malds because you took "the wrong choicehrm... perhaps developers are right and gamers dont know what they want....
>>739120762does any fromsoft game have one?
>>739121041Anon, he's actually and unironically insane>mending runeHe gestated the rune within his own ass after being hanged and locked away in the Shunning GroundsMending rune came to be by accident after feeding on so much of the seedbed curses and imagining a world entirely overrun by the curseIt's the same mechanism that allowed Goldmask to create his own mending runeguy just envisioned a perfect world, had enough of willpower/power for it to form and it just popped out
>>739096285>>739096354>How could you burn this beautiful realm and it's people you evil chud ?
>>739120734The needle you get from Millicent and the needle you use to purge yourself of the Frenzied Flame are two differents thing. Well in-universe it's probably the same needle, but you need to stick it in Malenia's flower after defeating her to get the needle you can actually use in Farum Azula.
>>739121789Don't get me wrong, but anon said "secret boss", and Melina isn't really secret since she is the definitive boss at the end of the Haligtree levelPlacidusax on the other hand is a bonus one that can only be reached through dropping onto a side-path and going into a specific spot, and Farum Azula is the de-facto final level before you're back at the base of the tree to fight Radagon and the beast, so it still aligned closer with what that anon said
>>739114324why are dark souls babies like this
>>739096508The mainstream church spent centuries massacring gnostics and burning everything they wrote.
>>739121981>MelinaMalenia
>>739111357That's so evil, I didn't know you could do that.
>>739114324>I just hated the whole setting from the start so i really appreciate the option to burn it as the trash it is.Same, after all the garbage the game puts you through, burning it all down feels rewarding at least.
>>739121617No, that's why the correct ending in each fronsoft game is destroying the cycle and risking something new
>>739111357this.
>>739122235burn it all down so one day an anor londo theme park can live
>>739121981the haligtree and consecrated snowfield are both secret areas
>>739122404But Malenia is not a secret bossStop arguing about semantics backwards, you are incorrectPlacidusax is a secret bossMalenia is not as she is simply tied at the end of a long level from snowfields and down into the treePlacidusax can only be found through obscure bullshit off the beaten path and there's zero indication as to you needing to do this exact thing to reach himYou get plenty of items to reach Malenia and the tree. Just picking up one half of the haligree medalion turns that "secret" area into a non-secret one due to you now knowing that you need to find the other half and working through pattern recognition to go to the liftIt is only secret until you explore and find the first piece
>>739122712Placidusax is about as obscure as any coffin teleport, Dark Souls 1 included. You can only miss it by walking past the prompt too fast. Who the fuck hasn't explored every inch of Farum Azula? It's not like the place is connected to the rest of the world anyway. I didn't beat Placidusax on my first playthrough because I backed out of that fight and forgot about it.
>>739123442Still more "secret" than anything related to Haligtree, simply because there's not a single item telling you about existence of that trigger spot, all the while Malenia's signalled you everywhere throughout the game, and you know she's out there from the moment you enter the cancer landThen you find the first half of the medallion and you're zeroed into the snowfields, from where you'll naturally progress into the tree and fight her at the end of it
>>739121652>beautiful realm>>southern half is magic AIDS in the athmosphere so thick that air there is a liquid and said AIDS turns everything into a heap of rotting biomass>>the rest of the map is either ruins with no life in them or dungeons populated by demented zombies with depression that cannot reproduceI have never understood why people liked souls games for the setting except maybe sekiro
>>739116829The Order includes the Stars and not just the Erdtree, extending it beyond the scope of a Goddess and including of those who had their own Fate fettered by the Golden Order in the past>>739116981>>739117174>>739118403retards
>>739121041>How is he able to create a fucking mending runeany being who aborbs enough life while attuning canDung Eater restores the Sun, tainted by the Fell Curse, by hexing the current Order with it>why is his projection a different being altogether he isn't
>>739096429Actually, one of the best endings in game
>>739124683God damn Bloodborne's environments look good
>>739096429Dung Eater ending is good and vengeance for what the Golden Order did to the Sun Realm
>>739096285Elden Ring makes a lot more sense when you realize "Marika" is supposed to sound like "America" and it's a tremendous metaphor built on and deeply rooted in our real life mythology and especially the history of our lands and Alchemy.
>>739125212what is the metaphorical relevance of "marika's tits"?
>>739125371Manifest Destiny had a rockin' pair.
>>739125212so Ranni ending is a metaphor for us putting the first man on the moon?
>>739117067that's every dark souls game
>>739117613The rune of death becomes unbound
I just hit bosses until they die
>>739120762fighting and killiing random people you come across is entertainment enough
>>739118415>I'll save everyone by killing everyoneWhat the fuck is your problem?
>>739096285>People still dont understand GnosticismThe point isnt just to destroy the demiurge, its to also make it to heaven. If you choose Frenzied Lord you dont get that last parr. You just extinguish all life forever while you wander the ashes
>>739126490That's actually a very correct way of playing FromSoft games
>>739126582Melina is one of like twenty people (merchants aren't people) who can still hold a conversation, she's huffing copium about the state of the world hard
>>739121583>Different people have different opinionsLook guys, it's learning
>>739119838you're shitting yourself over something that isn't even from reddit, people naturally separate text, the double space has been around for literally centuries and yet retards like you claim it's "reddit" when it's just standard structure
>>739121583>store page gives you a choice>everyone seethes and malds because you made "the wrong choice"
>>739126307Ranni sounds like an indian name so i think its about giving the world to the browns
>>739096508its just satanism in disguise if you really look into it.
>>739126891Show me its earliest example then. I can guarantee it's new.
>>739127095Oh. That's cringe.
>>739127095Ranni's ending is just Elden Ring's version of the Age of Darkness ending. You don't give in to the system and just do whatever.
>>739126582>I want to die>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>>739127238>show me an exampleare you blind? are you stupid? you must be to think double spacing is "new", you gotta be trolling me at this point
>>739117380>>739117630based, remember the sabbath and take rest on it since God rested on the 7th day.
>>739126684Then why play the game and follow the main story quest in the first place or care about saving Melina? You simps are the tier 3 subs of elden ring players. She's not going to talk to you either way, why are you obsessing over this waifu fantasy in your head while simultaneously acting righteously indignant when the story doesn't reciprocate your head canon?
>>739127429Show me
>>739096285Is there a better ending than you just eating everything?
>>739126684more like the developers and writers had 0 clue about any of the story and just wrote stupid shit down while thinking it was the coolest shit ever
>>739127553Damn I forgot GRIME 2 came out
>>739127372>I want to die so everyone else can liveFtfy play the game
>>739127496>why get mad when the game's writing is not congruentI get it chief, shut up and consume.
>>739127602>still gets mad for living after everyone else lives tooStinky feces waifu. If you want everyone else trapped in this shitstain of a world you have to be too.
>>739127604>>739127709Play the game >>739116012
>>739096285why no consort Malenia/age of rot
>>739096508It rightfully got stomped out because although its interesting, it reinterprets literally everything about Judaism and Jesus to such a ridiculous degree that nearly everyone agreed theyre heretical. Ironically, there's evidence that Muhammad learned over Christianity through the last gnostics which is why Muhammad in the Quran seems to have such a bad understanding of Christianity
>>739097781It's not a souls game really unless it was a functional civilization at one point but now it has some kind of epidemic
>>739127847Do you even needle bro? I don't take diatribe from someone who hasn't even beaten the haligtree.Whether you're full frenzy or half frenzy for the sake of keeping her alive she's still mad. Fuck off with this rancid whore perpetuating a cycle of agony.
1. Melina has a point. For all we know the world outside the Lands Between is more or less functional. Much like in Souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro we are in a giga-cursed eye of the storm that's not necessarily a representation of the world at large2. Shabriri is a deceiving faggot, but the state of the Lands Between is so horrible and pathetic that the implications for the wider world are not looking good, so melting it all down violently and hoping something better rises from the ashes is also kinda valid3. Ranni's ending is also valid because the choice here is to fuck off and let the world sort itself out. Who knows, maybe Nepheli or Fia or Miquella can fix it.
>>739096508Every political power hated them because they're suicidal bumfucking retards, but it doesn't matter because half the world now is gnostic anyway and believes in a manichean good vs bad doctrine.
>>739126307Each of the endings and their representatives are different possible fixes to the horrid state of the west (and the world).
>>739128101and yet they were banished from 0 countries, curious!
>>739128326The Paulicians were banished pretty hard. Then they turned into Bogomils, who got banished. Then they turned into Albigensians, who got Crusaded.
>>739096508Gnosticism is fucking insane and too convoluted for its own good. More people would rather believe the world is good but plagued with sin, the people in it can do good, and that our ultimate reward is life everlasting than believe the world is awful, we are misguided by a falae, angry god, and that our only mission in life is to escape living. Lo and fucking behold thousands of years later, you end up with more followers if charity, forgiveness, empathy, and support for the poor are foundational precepts for your faith.
>>739128480Beliefs emulate the society that encapsulates themThings were genuinely better then
>>739128480It takes like 20 minutes in nature to understand that this world is simply horrific in every possible way and that every potential "good" in it meets a miserable end eventually. To believe in the goodness of this world is just a total cope. Everything ends in decay and eventual total annihilation, everything that exists was created simply to experience its own suffering and destruction.
>>739125212>"The Lands Between" Canada and South America.>(A)Marika came from lands to the east.>Fought to separate her lands from her homeland.>Very religiously motivated.>Grew in power, crushed every native inhabitant and enters a golden age.>There was an influencing force behind her the whole time, manipulating from the shadows and telling her what to do.>When she started becoming too free and caught on to who was behind it all, she shattered the elden ring and was crucified (JFK assassination after he was openly against israel)>Now there are a bunch of forces vying for control over the Lands Between, including the same force behind Marika.>They want to back the next leader and still remain in control with (you) as a figurehead.>Shabriri wants to convince you it's better if you burn it all down instead of fixing a once great nation.>Ranni wants to get rid of any and all FOREIGN INFLUENCE.>Goldmask believes the golden order can be fixed by removing certain imperfections.>Dung eater doesn't give a shit because he thinks he's based and redpilled and the world sucks so we should make it worse.What do you think the Undying/Duskborn ending is an allegory for? Boomers?
>>739129125Please by any means slice your throat right this instant and rid yourself of suffering.
>>739129448You choose to hope, I choose to suffer, that's the distinction here.
>>739127980>so melting it all down violently and hoping something better rises from the ashes is also kinda validnothing will rise from the ashes that's the point.
>>739129448You need to reach enlightenment before dying in order to escape this hell
I can't believe ranni simps still exist she's evil her ending is basically frenzied flame level
>>739096285Why would i kill the demure? They're kinda cute.
>>739131098>bros *HNAAAWWWK* ranni fucking off into shpashe with the elden ring ish LITCHERLY the shame thing ash *snort* the frenzhied flame burning all of reality, dead undead and alive, into nothingnessh
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>>739096508because there's no chance that it's true
>>739131547Promoting eternal suffering is generally seen as worse than ending it, yes.
>>739131716>Not having an evil outer god brainfucking your entire race is eternal suffering.
>>739131897A misunderstanding of the elden ring which isn't an outer god
>>739131897More uh incinerating all of reality both physical and metaphysical because a lunatic outer god told you to
Absokute kino >>739096285
>>739131098why do people try so hard to demonize ranni so much? do people really think that ranni tried to put godwyn into the tree after he had lost his soul and clearly turned into rotting shit? it's like people seriously think ranni leads the assassin's when they are literally killing her people
>>739131897you don't understand, the clearly defined individual who is the frenzy flame, is telling you that you'll become the lord, not him who is the manifestation of frenzy flame, totally legit
>>739131897Eternal suffering is literally the default state if the setting, if you don't choose to fix it like with Ranni's ending.
Elden Ring 2; The Tarnished goes to the grocery store to get some supplies to make a nice lasagna but because he killed everyone else he has to roleplay all the staff interactionsComing to a PS5 near you
>>739132048It's kinda like how Goldmask gets wanked when he does and accomplishes literally nothing in the setting and the foundation of his argument for Order is that deities shouldn't exist unless they're a platonic ideal that can't impact anything, mostly because he wants a Golden Order couch to crash on without getting turned out for heresy by Marika and her goons.
>>739131098How can THIS be evil?
>>739132134Did you ignore malenia/jar Bain/etc.
>>739117380Very daring of you to say.
>>739101371>We are all going back into the one, and maybe when it all splits again it produces a better world.Baseless headcanon. You are destroying everything forever. Nothing will ever be created again.
>>739132490jarburg is literally a hovel of necromancy turning pseudo-caskets into war machines, the poachers did nothing wrong
>>739134256>Baseless headcanon. You are destroying everything forever. Nothing will ever be created again.
>>739127972Retard>>739116012>>739127496
>>739127980>melting it all down violently and hoping something better rises from the ashes is also kinda valid>>739115159>>739115784
>>739134912Oy vey every woman and child is a combatant
>>739100386Thats why bb sucks ass
>>739135753None of that has any relevance to what I'm saying. You have someone who wants life to continue in the fucked up state it is but is mad about living, it doesn't make any sense.
>>739127579It didAnd the story fucking sucksDespite all the gameplay improvements, I am still disappointed, because it has none of the grandiose kino the first game had
>>739134256Did you even watch the ending? Melina reveals she's the Gloam-Eyed Queen and swears destined death unto the Lord of Frenzied Flame. It's not just nothing.
>>739136517>melina reveals she's [literally who]damn, almost as poignant as the whoorah loo reveal
>>739111357>tfw I didn't even know I could save her the first time and did the Frenzy path way after the fact I thought she always had to die until my 3rd play through when I did the Frenzy path sooner than my first and watch her lose her shit over it.
>>739096508>Gnosticism is so interesting it's like Buddhism but Christian. How did it never catch on?Because it's not as effective as a slave religion as standard christianity
>>739096508>religion doesn't proseltyze nor is based on ethnicity >diesMany such cases
>>739129125honestly it wouldn't even be so bad if literal pain wasn't built into it as a survival mechanism. If it was just "oh I guess its my time to go, but just as I fed on my predecessors my antecessors will feed on me. Circle of life, lol" I could see it being reasonable. But being eaten alive is excruciating and that's the default mode of existence.
>>739136661That's pretty retarded, but it's also pretty funny.
>>739136517A character who is assumed and never confirmed to be another character is going to kill the MC who killed Maliketh, Godfrey, Radagon, Radagon, the Elden Beast, The Fire Giant after becoming a god itself, two demigods with Great Runes and potentially Malenia, giant dragons, Messmer, Radahn and Miquella teaming up as gods and other powerful foes many of whom are stronger than or in some cases like Maliketh, defeated the Gloam Eyed Queen (which again Melina is never confirmed to be.)This game is 4 years old and people still confidently, without a shred of irony or tact, parrot speculative nonsense for it.
When I made this thread I honestly didn't expect it to turn into a debate about Gnosticism.
>>739096429AND ONCE EVERYONE IS UGLYthen no one will be...
>>739117151I went through the whole game and made sure to check and do all the sun mask guy's quest stuff then I did his ending and it was the biggest disappointment in the game by far honestly cemented the game as probably the worst in the series for me>>739126386The end cutscenes in the games can be pretty boring but usually they have a little variety this is the first time where they literally just copy and pasted the exact same ending but changed the lighting like it's mass effectPeople were calling this game a master piece and the best game in the series and the last one in the series and to get hit with that shit ending really was a massive gut punch
>>739111527For me? It's Radagon being a misbegotten warrior that became part of Marika when she used the rune of the unborn and a silver tear to remake him as a human
So canonically you can beat the Elden Beast, a god and the living incarnation of order, with a weapon reinforced with the scale of an ancient dragon, a lifeform which it ostensibly created. Ok. This is a well thought out story. You know maybe the dragon scales only got that power after farum azula got hit by that asteroid since rocks are the living cum of the Greater Will or something. Fire is faith based because of the giants and prophets seeing flames in their vision but magma is sorcery/arcane based because it's molten rocks, therefore magic. Uuh...
>>739142548Gurm came up with the primeval current and then Miyazaki injected his japanese autism of crystals being magic(Final Fantasy, duh). Don't think too hard about it.
>>739142548I just want something like Dark Souls pyromancies again. Has to be one of the most unique magic system in a game.
More games need a "fuck literally every single one of you" ending
>>739134256>Baselessthe greater will uses the 2 fingersthe frenzied flame uses the 3 fingerstogether, they are a full handthey most likely were a full hand, since all humans have full hands so they split up, i merged them back together; they can split up again. no reason why they couldn't
>>739142868Pyromancy made thematic sense in Dark Souls. The characters who used and taught pyromancy all had a noble soul. It feels unique because of the context surrounding it in-game. Everything in ER is so disjointed and mashed together last second you rarely ever get this atmospheric effect.
>>739142885there's no such thing in Elden Ring
>>739142548>You know maybe the dragon scales only got that power after farum azula got hit by that asteroid since rocks are the living cum of the Greater Will or something.what the fuck are you talking about, schizo? Smithing stones derive their power from light and it is written>>739143180your brain is disjointed
>>739115146>At least Hinduism, despite being extremely satanicI'm not sure what is sadder. That Hinduism is the only major remaining Indo-European religion (I think Zoroastrianism still technically exists), or that the semetics have taught indo-euros to view all this stuff as the enemy.
>>739131098If you've played literally any other game From has released over the last two decades, and have the ability to recognize themes and motifs it becomes incredibly obvious that Ranni's ending is the only good one.
>>739127553Yes, Grime 2's ending where you resist that nihilistic shit and your bros snap you out of it.
>>739127553If there is, I haven't found any.
>>739142885
>>739096285You never fight the Greater Will, if it's even an actual parallel to a demiurge, and the Frenzied Flame annihilates you, wears what's left of you for a bit while destroying the Erdtree, and then annihilates the rest of you, destroys the atmosphere and the planet, and then probably sets off through space to annihilate other worlds. Your ass got scammed, the Frenzied Flame only cares about keeping itself around and destroying all else. You're not getting the One Great. The Frenzied Flame even draws a centipede sigil in the sky for good measure.
>>739107408Shabriri says that choosing the Frenzied Flame option will save your Finger Maiden, even though the last guy who chose the Frenzied Flame was driven insane by it to the point where he murdered his own Finger Maiden. He also startings yelling "may chaos take the world," without explaining what on earth that even entails. Shabriri plays toward what others might say about a would-be lord who has his Finger Maiden burn while leaving out that there will be literally no one left to even say anything with the Frenzied Flame option. The Tarnished ends up annihilated by the Frenzied Flame to boot.
>>739096354It's more like>There is absolutely nothing which can reconcile and make just the fact of suffering, and so if suffering is a natural consequence of existence, then existence itself is a mistake which requires correctionIt also has the coolest CG of all the endings, and it isn't close.
>>739116829Based on Goldmask's research from his quest, item descriptions, locations he can be found at, and Corhyn's dialogue, Goldmask seems to separate all of the gods, be it demi-gods trying to become gods to outer gods who created and oversaw that system, from the Elden Ring and the functionality of the world. This likely involves holding them accountable too. The Age of Order ending also seems to heal the various wounds and curses to at least the Erdtree and likely to the world and its denizens. The description for the Mending Rune of Perfect Order also makes it sound like the rune was mathematically found a la a formula or theorem proving something exists, as opposed to created from Goldmask, so it might be that Goldmask literally found the universal answer to the world's problems. Everything else is intentionally ambiguous owing to the behavior and mannerisms of Goldmask.
>>739116012Yeah but it's a very satisfying narrative
>He burnt everything down instead of getting THIShttps://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=12783508&tags=+howlsfm+
>>739109361Midra's entire style is pure catharsisThe way he moves is like he's dancing
>>739136195>wants life to continue in the fucked up state it is>is mad about living, Play the game
>>739150382What makes it even more disturbing is that it's not even actually Midra. It's the Frenzied Flame fucking around after killing Midra and modifying his remains to better suit its purposes.
>>739134256if he's destroying everything, he's also destroying time, so "forever" is kind of a worthless qualifier here
>>739128326yeah instead they just got killed
>>739151713It's still Midra. If you are confronted by (from your perception) absolute truth which could only possibly have one response, then that response is going to look pretty similar.When the Tarnished becomes Lord of Frenzy, he has a far more restrained and aloof feel to him since he is coming at it from an ''''''''''altruistic'''''''''' perspective, on behalf of the rest of the world, compared to Midra who is operating on a perspective of one who has personally suffered unimaginable torment and has now decided, as he could have at any time, that enough is enough.
>>739152103Anon, that is not Mida, and neither are you, you when you'll go through with the FF endingDo you think the story and characters surrounding this plotline being ALL possessed by other entities was just some window dressing? You are gone the moment you go through with it
>>739152990It's still Midra in that it can feel the catharsis of the individual entity, Midra. If that was not the case, then both the Frenzied Lords we see in the game would act the same. A distinction exists, at least in the immediate aftermath of the embracing, which means those entities are still, for the time being, individual, even though they have fully embraced the intent to melt themselves as well, because you would need to have that intent to embrace the flame to begin with.
>>739128574>Things were genuinely better thenin the ancient times?
>>739096285Is there a mod that makes it playable instead of roll slop? I cant go back to that shit after Bloodborne and Sekiro.
>>739152103The Frenzied Flame in the Frenzied Flame ending uses bombastic sweeping gestures and moves as though it would clearly be laughing if it were a human being/had a head, neck, etc. to work with at that point. That's entirely unlike the Tarnished's body language and demeanor at any point in the game. Just like it's not the Tarnished at those points in the Frenzied Flame ending, it's not Midra in the second phase of the boss fight. Midra's actual head was even destroyed beforehand.
Some religions have a concept akin to a hylic or something similar where an individual may be so ignorant that they are fundamentally incapable of learning of higher concepts no matter how hard they try. This is often a significant portion of the population within these belief systems. It stands to reason then that it's highly likely you are such a cosmic dum-dum dimwit and it would benefit most people to ignore faith entirely, instead operating off purely materialist whims and motivations. "The world is strictly matter and I am an animal instinct embedded permanently within it. I may never know anything, it's just not possible." This is what many belief systems truly believe. This is something that you would (if it's true) embrace because the alternative is a high likelihood of entirely pointless suffering. Why place such a bet at all? Either you try to be more than the cosmos decided you are, per this belief system, and ruin your life with a constant strain of agonizing failure that culminates in a harsh realization you may never escape, or the cult is wrong, and it really was just a bunch of material existence that you resided within in a materially-motivated way. These are really your only options. By any mode of logic that deals in probability it does not behoove most people to broach spirituality that applies castes and tribal affinity to the very act of possessing (and acknowledging) a soul. When presented with the possibility of being a spiritual loser doomed to eternal loss on account of some complex series of thoughts and theories that said loser is not (and will never be) equipped to comprehend, they should just pick up a rock and kill the spiritualist immediately.
>>739149835That's because they only gave 2 endings a fucking scene that isn't just you sitting your ass on a chair. This and Ranni. >There is absolutely nothing which can reconcile and make just the fact of suffering, and so if suffering is a natural consequence of existence, then existence itself is a mistake which requires correctionIt's a bleak and retarded mindset that doesn't even have solid logic behind it. You get a thing that's generally a mixed bag. Sometimes the bag's mixed too far one way or another, and in the case where the suffering is too great, you can end it for yourself. Why the fuck do you have a right to end it for everyone else? My only comfort in life is knowing that chaosfags are unwashed virgins who will not be given a significant place of authority.
>>739155695That's all well and good, but in Elden Ring at least, there is literally nothing to save. Everyone is either dead or a brainless husk. Might as well burn it all.
>>739155037Christianity rejects the idea of Hylics, psychics, and pneumatics, for a couple of reasons, but the main was that there is nothing suggesting the higher plane is completely separate from the material one. Body, mind, soul are all one entity, and things of one will always influence things of the other two. In other words, "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." >>739155896That's canonically wrong. Firewood says that there are still people being born and fighting the good fight, when she's trying to convince you to leave the flame of frenzy alone. I think you just don't see them.
>>739149001the frenzied flame doesn't want to keep itself around, on the contrary it needs to destroy itself along with the rest of the universe to reunite with the divine
>>739156374The Frenzied Flame only makes the world ashes and Frenzied Flames + burns shaped like fingerprints. The Frenzied Flame never moves toward destroying itself, and Shabriri even states that he cannot die.
>>739096285>>739136517do people still not realize Melina = Velka?
>>739155896>in Elden Ring at least, there is literally nothing to save.
>>739160081My nigga Boc needs to be preserved at all cost
>>739155896That's only in the Lands Between. Other nations exist on other continents.
>>739096429>you need to violently fist an ugly bastard to get it
>>739096378https://youtu.be/NGhXe3OK3jA
>>7390965081. Gnosticism was never that popular. It was never more than 3 percent of the Roman population (probably much less), and never a majority of Christians. They were mostly male, and they were less likely to marry and reproduce because they spent too much time on gematria and letter-related autism. Antinomian Gnostics were very much like Tantric Buddhists with the skull cups.2. Gnostics were actually multiple religions and they rarely worked together in a coordinated manner. An abstemious gnostic would seem to have nothing in common with an antinomian gnostic.3. Gnosticism seemed like a New Age fad because it grew out of the religious soup in Alexandria, Egypt. A demoralized population that had been forced to no longer worship in the Egyptian fashion, but now the Greek fashion, was likely come up with the idea that "Zeus and the planets are actually evil princes". It has been hypothesized, but not proven, that this idea came from Iran. It is more likely that Iran imported this idea in the wake of Alexander the Great, because the Macedonians had humiliated Iran.4. Most Gnostics rapidly converted to Neoplatonism at the end of the 3rd Century, and later on "Manichaeism". "Julian the Apostate" was not a "Pagan"; he was a Neoplatonist. By his time, "Paganism" in the classical sense was largely dead and buried.5. Despite being a cult based on "secret knowledge", Gnostics didn't know that much at all. You can see this even today if you try to grill your average /x/ user for specific details or proofs.6. Gnosticism does appear to have survived in Chinese Manichaeism, Mandaeism, Alawites, Druze (very slightly), Yazidis (Only indirectly, because the religion was created de novo at the time of the Mongol conquests) and certain sects of Islam. However, East Asia does have an interesting thing where certain worshippers of "Future Buddha" view the "Current Buddha" as evil. This practice also seems to be present among Siberian and Korean shamans.
>>739096285Fromsoftware soulslikes' stories would be a lot better if you weren't playing as the most ignorant cretin imaginable.
>>739096429Dung Eater is a chud who found truth in looksmaxxing, but instead of lookxmaxxing he brought all the chads and stacies down to his level.
>>739154061Try not pressing the roll button evry time something turns in your general direction.
>>739154061No, the slop has been sloppified to sloppiest slop. Its entirely unsloppable.
