>is obviously the knight>no arguments against her stick>everyone else just goes with their gut against her because its THAT boring
>>739096326the holiday knight ranking in order of most to least possible:carolnoelledessrudythe order of the holiday family who is the most interesting as the knight:noelledesscarolrudyonly contrarians will disagree with this
>>739096887trvke im afraid
im not falling for that
>>739096887>no ice-e
>>739096887watch it not even be a holidaywatch it be a completely new character
>>739096935ice-e is based but he isn't a member of the holiday family (that we know of)
literally cannot be carol, she's still with noelle during the church adventure and the knight was already in a dark world by the time we arrive
>>739097092walking around town is not diagetic ch4 even shows this with sans teleporting from catti's house and his store whenever you change screens
>>739097186you can't use sans jokes for evidence of anything, it's sansyou leave the holiday house, and then minutes later you find the dark world. the state of the world as you walk out of the holiday house is that there is a dark world
>>739096974I don't know why people say this like this game's story doesn't have Mother 3's narrative as the foundation
>>739097256ok, in that same amount of time you can also:go back to kris' house to find the door lockedgo to the lake and talk to a goonergo to castle town if you haven't already this tells me that the amount of time between leaving noelle's house and going to the church is something that does not matter to the story, it can be as long or as short as the overall story wishes
>>739096887>dess not on topuh oh retard alert
>>739096326the knight is Asriel i don't know how there can be any doubt after the>Asriel's Batincident from the anniversary streamalso the knight is a masked man reference because tony is not original
>>739097258Ah, an Asriel Knight believer.
>>739097357>the lost girl>isn't actually lost, a number of people knew where she was the whole time great writing
>>739097258technically speaking, noelle and kris are the closest analogue to lucas and clausa key part of their character is that they're twins, and while noelle and kris are not related, they are the same age
>>739096326knights don't use katanas dumbass she's probably a christmas ninja with throwing stars and shit
>>739097502The Knight is known to shoot stars thoughever.
>>739097405the knight is like 12 different references. galacta knight and knightmare from kirby, dave strider, gray fox, lavos
>game takes so long people will simply theorize ALL possibilities beforehand and be disappointed in any caseThat's why I hate episodic games
>>739097598i accepted that every theory would be wrong before 3 & 4 came out and i wasn't disappointed with them in that regard i will be going into ch5 with the same mind set
>>739097598This is why not being a retarded idiot is ideal. You can have fun with theorizing and making up bullshit while also having enough brain space to not conflate that experience with playing the game by itself, it's easy if you try!
>>739097558carol - ninjadess - knightrudy - black mage?noelle - white mage
>>739097672Actually I think what's ideal is a game coming out complete nowadays. It's been more than 7 years.
>>739097719I mean, sure. I agree that the episodic treatment is a detriment to the game overall, I'm just saying that under that you might as well have fun and not worry too much about theories or whatever, it doesn't really matter. If it annoyed you THAT much you'd just play the game when it's fully released, which is 100% an option.
mayor holiday and the knight have entirely different personalities
>>739097803I just think that story-driven games suffer a lot from episodic release.Many people, if this was released complete, would simply go through the chapters quickly without much time to ponder and that will be a fundamentally different experience from ours.Imagine we were in the genocide route of Undertale and it took 2 years to completely release. We would have theorized, for example, that Sans is the final boss yadda yadda. Of course playing it is a different thing and it's pretty good anyway, but it ruins the experience a bit. People don't usually stop for months in a game to theorize to the extreme.Of course I feel sorry for Toby, I know why things are going slowly, unfortunately it ruined my experience a little. I was 20 when Deltarune Ch1 came out, now I'm 28...
>>739097841Maybe the Knight is the way it is because of a DEVICE.
>>739097351it would be stupidity on the part of toby to not account for the fastest route a player can make in the logical chronology of the story. ignoring player actions and considering them as non diagetic is the dumbest thing you would do in video game storytelling when its literally the medium youre telling the story on
>>739097598>disappointedI won't be disappointed in the slightest if what I theorize is wrong. You forgot how to have fun with this, if you would be.
>>739096326>>739096887The entire Holiday family (Minus Dess) is the Knight, they just switch out like Ghostface.
>>739098543Makes sense to me, case closed.
Youtube theorizers will discuss literally anything except FemKris.
>>739098615they would get raped by all the non binary troons in the fanbase if they even whispered about it they would never engage with it either, they would just look at the title of the video and just fish for updoots while disliking it
>>739098615i don't get why the fans are so vehemently opposed to Kris being a girlnot even people calling Kris a guy get nearly the same level of hostility as the humble FemKris enjoyer
>>739098953because the unspoken rule is non binary = mtf they hate femkris because it means kris is a biological female, which they will never befemkris is also the path of least resistance for kis actually identifying as non binary, because girls are far more likely to go by that irl than males are, despite the community's most infamous example
>>739098615Probably because the "theory" is nonsense that is clearly just an attempt to introduce an anti-lgbt microaggression into the community.
>>739099080there's an entire term for it on /lgbt/, "theyfab"
Alright /v/, be honest now.Which of the class would you?
>>739099523goku
>>739096887Carol can't be The Knight because she has a jobRudy can't be The Knight because he has AIDSNoelle can't be The Knight because she's rapedDess can be The Knight because she can be whatever the story needs her to besimple as
>>739099523>Noelle - Would, any day of the week>Catti - ..... Would>Jockington - Would hang out with>Berdly - Would punch in the face>Kris - Would>Susie - Would>Temmie - Would>Monster Kid - Wouldn't, heavy dweeb energy here>Snowy - I don't want to be anywhere near this guy
>>739099523If you wouldn't Noelle you're gayIf you wouldn't Berdly you're not a true gamer
>>739099523Susie should apologize
>>739099689her boobs are NOT that big
>>739099523all of the girls, but ESPECIALLY temmie
>>739099523Whoever loses in Super Smashing Fighters has to bottom.
>>739099690Susie was genuinely concerned for Tem
>>739099523Noelle >>> Alphys > Temmie > Monster Teen (female) > Kris > Catti > Monster Teen (male) > Susie
>>739099778Prove it.
>>739096326don't sleep on my guy rudy
>>739096326Why did Carol rape that guy's briefcase?
>>739100006
I swear to fuck if this little shit doesn't see my GODLY and SOULFUL AURA and BENEVOLENT MACHNIATIONS, I shall call upon PLAYER 2 and exhibit greater CONTROL over KRIS. I, the PLAYER/SOUL, shall do what I want for I choose when I QUIT the game, and I choose how this world Kris inhabits shall be interpreted through my skillful and convincing facts and opinions. Sleeping soundly as I live with the binary inputs that I choose to make as to whether one entity is raped and one is not. That is all.
>>739096326There's no way Carol could have made it to the church before Kris and Susie to create the Dark Fountain.
>>739099523Noelle and temmie and kris (f)everyone else is gross or annoying
>>739100620it was dess, duh
>>739101037Dess can't be the knight because Dress is the unused speaker and the voice Spamton connects us to. I unironically think it's Asriel.Ralsei is Asgore, btw.
the knight will ultimately not be as important as the bunker and never have their identity revealed
>>739101410The Shelter is important because The Knight is in thereWaiting for you to follow them into the darkWith your heart as the arkWhich shall shine you the way
>>739101037Ah yes, Dess. The Lost Girl who is perfectly aware of her location and the way to get to other locations. Of course...
>>739101670Why does Susie think that Kris is a cage? Kris isn't a cage, Kris is a person. Is she stupid?The only cage with a human soul in the story is the bird cage in Kris's room. That obviously has to be what the Prophecy is talking about.
>>739101782susie is operating under the assumption that she, kris and ralsei are the heroes, no questions asked
>>739101782Dess is not lost in any way, literally or figuratively. She's right there and can visit her family whenever she wants.
>>739101782Kris is figuratively a cage. If Dess is the Knight, she is not lost metaphorically, or rhetorically, or symbolically, or theoretically or any other fancy way.
>>739101867Right, just like Kris isn't The Cage, because they're not a cage, they're a person. Words mean things, especially the words of the Prophecy which is literally true.I wonder when we're going to meet this "Prince, Alone in Deepest Dark." Susie thinks it's Ralsei, but that can't be right. Ralsei isn't alone, he's been with us the whole time!
>>739101867What if she doesn't want to
There are too many theories. Here's an inarguable fact, not based on supposition, but on what you're actually shown:>Queen and King are actively complicit in whatever Kris is doing and are simply hiding the fact that they have any connection to him at all from Ralsei and Susie
THE PROPHECY ALREADY HAPPENED CAGE -> VesselGIRL -> Dess (she experienced the tragedy)PRINCE OF DARKNESS -> Asriel
>>739101972>Ralsei isn't alone, he's been with us the whole time!He was alone before the story started. Stop arguing in bad faith.
>>739102316they're notneither of them met the knight, which means they're not complicit in whatever plan the knight has, their actions were independent tenna seems to be the oddball of the three because he has knowledge of kris' entire family, but that might be due to how close of an object he was to themwith king and queen, queen is used by multiple people very frequently and king was part of a classroom that had who knows how many kids go through it before it got abandoned if they did know kris and noelle, they'd just be a blip, no closer to them than anyone else despite how weird their usage was
>>739101972>>739102428ralsei is the only one we can say with certainly is in the role presumed to himsusie looks nothing like the girl's depiction, and kris/ the human don't look like the cage at all
>>739102428Huh? I'm confused.You don't have a problem with The Prophecy calling Ralsei "ALONE," even though he's not alone anymore.So why does Dess still have to be "LOST?"
>>739102316Why do you believe this is a fact?
>>739102637Unrelated to discussion, but why are you a passive aggressive nigger faggot? Did your parents not love you or something?
>>739102316Queen seems to have inexplicable knowledge of things sometimes, like Seam and the shadow crystal holders, but I doubt that she's playing dumb. It's like the theories that Papyrus knows just as much as Sans but just perfectly masks it to his death, I don't buy it. I don't like any theory that requires a character's whole persona to have just been an act the whole time.It's even harder to believe that King is just faking his seething hatred for Lightners and being completely used and duped by The Knight, to the point of pathetically asking the Heroes to learn about them.It's definitely strange that Chapter 3 suggested some kind of connection between King and Kris that hasn't played out at all, but it can be justified by the fact that the make-believe games were years ago when Kris was a young kid. Just one kid out of classrooms full, who had played with King and the others in Card Kingdom before abandoning them alone in the dark for years.And Queen doesn't hide her familiarity with Kris, but it's the same as her familiarity with all of the other Lightners in town who use the library. She likes Kris, but Kris wasn't particularly special to her, unlike Noelle.
You see the vision right?It's Kris.
>>739103350This is Kris.
>>739103262queen's knowledge comes from the internet her familiarity with the other characters by name comes from their personal searches students in schools have had accounts on the school computer systems since at least the early 2000's, more than enough of a broad range to include kris and asriel's classes
>>739103236Is something wrong? You went quiet for a while.I just asked why you think Ralsei can be "ALONE" just because was alone before the story even though he's not anymore, but you don't think Dess can be "lost" even though she was lost before the story.You don't have an answer?
>>739103501I get that, but I don't think it explains stuff like thisLike I don't think she looked up "The Roaring Knight" on Google, she -just knows- that The Knight is called that, despite not knowing what "The Roaring" is
>>739102565>>739103262This theme of>Darkners are all just gaped out whores whose mudflap pussies can't recognize your pencil dick because they smoke 200 cocks a dayIs weird. Complete headcanon. I don't know why this is the prevailing headcanon when it's not really based on anything and is instead entirely used to go "nuh-uh" to this specific topic.
>>739103262Pretty sure ramb tells you Kris and Noelle/Dess used to bring Queen and King to play pretend in front of the TV.What I don't understand is why King doesn't make a single remark about knowing or remembering Kris, while Queen does.And King definitely knows Queen from before on their little scene in jail.
>>739103589maybe it has something to do with the will that opened the fountain?if the knight opened the fountain as the knight, then the darkners residing in it would know their creator as that the ch3 fountain recognized kris as the creator, but were sworn to secrecy as per kris' orders i don't remember if the second sanctuary recognized susie is the fountain creator, but the ch4 fountains didn't have a central figure anywaysunfortunately i think this is something that toby didn't put any thought in to, why does queen call it 'the roaring knight' but in card kingdom it's just 'the knight' when they were both created by the same person?
>dess is the knight (enemy) because thats what she turned into>kris is the knight (opener) because he's the one opening fountains>carol is the knight (roaring wanter) because its the only way to keep dess at least somewhat alive.multi-knight in the lamest way possible.
>>739103709Thinking about it, it makes senseSince King was completely abandoned in that closet from that day onward, Kris grew up, while he kept using internet or going around the house, he never saw those playing cards again, so it makes sense King wouldn't recognize grown up Kris.Meanwhile Queen hasn't changed.I still find it difficult to believe that King, Queen or Tenna never confuse Ralsei and Asriel, especially King since he probably knew Asriel when he was around the same age as Ralsei, I find that very odd
>>739103902as kris points out in ch4, ralsei and asriel do look pretty different once you get a good look at the two of themnoelle just got confused because she was already overwhelmed by the situation, and even then she thought he simply looked like asriel, not that he actually was him
That piece of shit Toby said it would be several months back in December, it's been fucking 5 (FIVE) months since that fucking newsletter where the FUCK IS CHAPTER 5 TOBY YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT HACK, YOU CAN'T TAKE 5 MONTHS TRANSLATING DIALOGUE INTO JAPANESE, FUCK YOU
>>739103721If I wanted to give Toby a cop out it'd be that card kingdom's residents were inclined to refer to the knight as "the knight" because plenty of game pieces and cards are called a knight. But what's a ROARING knight? Sounds confusing.
What do we think about Andrew Cunningham's new video?
>>739104558didn't watch it, don't really have an urge to
>>739103454>Would the real Kris Dreemurr please stand up.
>>739096887It is so obviously Rudy, you people are fucking blind. Entertaining that it might be Noelle or Carol is laughable
>>739104786why don't you go wash your hands and come up with actual evidence instead of presumed hype and aura
>>739104862It is the most obvious plot twist ever>Wowzers, the bedridden terminally ill person who everyone overlooked is actually the baddie??It writes itself. It's either him or maybe Dess. It can't be Carol because she physically couldn't have tp'd to the chapter 4 dark world before Kris & co. It can't be Noelle because it simply isn't her role in the story. Laugh at me all you want, I will have the last laugh and be vindicated. Screencap this and frame it on a wall.
>>739096326>herYou're an AGP tranny
>>739105062yes yes very obviousso obvious that you don't seem to have any evidence for it outside of presumed hype and aura
>>739105062I agree with you, anon.It's incredibly obvious what the story is: Rudy became the Roaring Knight because Dess died and he's trying to use the Dark World to bring her back to life, the same way Gerson was brought back to life. His wife and Kris are obviously helping him, and the twist will be that Asgore is helping too.
How is Ralsei capable of moving between Dark Worlds?
>>739105095he's talking about carol you dumb latinx
>>739103530I'm not the same person, retard. You didn't ask me anything, but I asked you a question. Was it your mother's neglect or your father's beatings that turned you into this?
>>739105164rootshe's a big tree asriel and dess planted
>>739105164Ralsei is an object in the Light World, so he must be being physically moved from one place to another>>739105258or he has some kind of physical presence everywhere
>>739105135Don't need any, it's just an obvious story beat. I can see the big reveal coming from a mile away>>739105149Probably something along those lines
>>739105164my schizo theory is that the town fountain is the same one as the bunker's fountain, and that dark world extends throughout the entire underground of the city, which is why the basement motif is the same throughout the dark worlds/noelle's basement.
>>739101942What are you, Death?
>>739105283the problem with the idea of ralsei being a carried object is that he would have to be something of susie's, but what he would be i have no idea
>>739096326https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSq6VoXMOKkThis guy thinks Catti will be relevant in chapter 5, he also thinks Papyrus will be the secret boss too.
>>739106028Papyrus will obviously be involved in the secert boss unlocking quest but the actual guy you fight will be the flower. The thing that passes me off is that he will probably claim he half called it even though that's not remotely the same.
>>739106239Golden Flower sorry dropped a word.
>>739106239>>739106268At this point, All i want from chapter 5 is to not be disapointed.
>>739104181don't worry, bro. deltarune TOMORROW. i promise you
I don't think Dess is the Knight. I think the Knight is a manifestation over the loss of Dess.
>Dess is The Knight, guys!
>>739105164Personally, I believe that Ralsei is Kris' knife.>gift from asriel>doesn't show up in the item list in the dark world>kris is hesitant to hug ralsei but clearly has affection for him
>>739107385the problem with that is that kris' knife is on his person throughout the majority of the game, including the part in ch2 when kris leaves castle town to get all the junk from the other classroomboth susie and ralsei remain, meaning that whatever ralsei is, he isn't something kris is carrying
>>739099523where are the chairs?
>>739105149Assuming that is the case, could his ailment be related to meddling with dark worlds or is it unrelated?
My wife.
>>739107498There's nothing in chapter 2 or 4 castle town that contradicts that. He could have simply left the knife with Susie. Keep in mind that what Kris is wielding in fights isn't the knife, it's whatever he has equipped, and that the knife is not ever shown in the inventory.
>>739097586>Dave striderHuh? Where does he tie into anything regarding the knight?
>>739099080The Femkris theory's thesis is that Kris is a biological female who goes by they/them, not that Kris is nonbinary. It's a half baked theory that refuses to make any statement about Kris' gender identity, because as a result of being an anti-LBGT theory it betrays itself. It refuses to engage with the idea Kris has a conflict with their gender identity and rather it's just because the Girl dies.The whole theory is just "Kris has a pussy and is a pussy" and elaborates on nothing else.
>>739099523FemKris, Noelle, Temmie and maybe Susie.
>>739108635This but with the other two humans
>>739096326Carol is also the only one who killed an object, just like the Knight is the only one who can kill a darkner.
REMINDERS>Asgore will go through the wringer so that him actually getting his shit together will mean something>Dess' canon design will beat out any fan-interpretation just like Carol, Tenna and Queen before her>Lord of The Hammer is not gospel and the "inferno of jealousy" could mean fucking anything>(You) are not evil by default for being stuck inside Kris and neither is Kris for not trusting a floating heart that can't communicate to them (yet)>"Only one ending" is the "kill or be killed", i.e. WRONG AS FUCK>Vs Susie reprise will be magnificent but probably won't be in this chapter>Gaster deniers will be the laughing stock of the century>Dess Knight deniers will be a close second>It's coming out August at the latest
>>739096326
>>739099212Why do you say as if this is a bad thing?
>>739097405You guys are clinging to that cut weapon for dear life
>>739098615Because as far as Delta theories go, it's Jaru-tier in terms of stupidity. Of course, /v/ believes it without question, /v/ also believed mike was the single most important character in all of Deltarune.
>>739098372Hanayama is the absolute GOAT.Anime is alright but reading Baki on Mangadex is superior
>>739099523The entire classroom will be RAPED
>>739103675>cuckoldry obsessed faggot
>>739103773Doesn't make sense either since Kris didn't open the church foundations
>>739110693>"Only one ending" is the "kill or be killed", i.e. WRONG AS FUCKThe difference between kill or be killed and only one ending is that the latter is in an actual, real life FAQ for the game.>but the steam pageDoesn't matter, the FAQ clearly states there's one ending, and also that there is something more important than reaching the ending. That has not been changed.
>>739097405Asriel's bat is the worst evidence for Asriel Knight, though it is evidence. The game has already provided much better evidence though.
>>739110826The creator of the game disagrees with your beliefs, which is why it will never happen.
Can't wait for the town's internet to get fixed so we get to see all the messages Asriel sent to Kris during the time it was downI'll slurp up his lore like I'd slurp up his cock
>>739097258Asriel Knight winning bigly.
>>739110460This but with the human before Frisk.
>>739110947Jaru actually does think Kris is a girl but he doesn't believe in the theory
>AsrielKnight in 2026
The Knight is more than likely a member of the Holiday family but I really like the idea of someone outside it being The Knight andintentionally using an antlered helmet to mislead the SOUL and/or Susie.
>>739111359321 missed messages and 28 dick picks from Asriel pop up on Kris' phone
>>739096887Of course at the top there's Dess's body with Kris's soul
>>739111424He also believes Kris wants to fuck Asriel.
>>739111619>Dess's body with Kris's soulWhy is /v/ so resistant of this theory?
>explains all the plotholes of carolknight in your path
>>739111714Kris Knight broke them and they think it's an extension of it.
>>739111251Asriel's bat is actually counter-evidence to Asriel Knight if you use it to theorize Asriel was the Knight in proto-Deltarune, but his role was transplanted into a new character (Dess) because he already was the antagonist in Undertale
>>739105164
>>739111650Kris being a brocon that hates Dess is so goddamn funny.
>>739097672I can't I'm stoopid :c
>>739103709You guys love ignoring the possibility of retcons, huh?
>>739111374Based and human loving pilled.
>>739111802There is no reason to believe that if you don't assume that Dess is the Knight
>>739111597The Knight doesn't wear a helmet, this is actually a very important piece of information that nobody cares about. One of many, I might add.
>>739112395
>>739109521sword gets broken, carol and dess are coded similarly to dess and dirk (broken sword wielding puppet and puppet master) and the knight turns into a floating disc thing that kinda looks like a vinyl. dess likes music and possibly makes shitty websites like this: https://deltarune.com/icee/. this page in particular i think is a sweet bro and hella jeff reference (dave's comic), for a split second i think you can even see a sweet bro rendition of the annoying dog
>>739107289NonDessKnighters are the new mikefags
>>739097598The point of having theories is just to have fun with it and then get yelled by others that didn't believe in it how you should be mad that your theory was wrong.
Is there any reason for me to not believe that Asgore is the one who opened the fountains including Castle Town?
whether the knight is wearing a helmet or if that is its actual face capable of emoting depends on who it's trolling
>>739098615Because giving the humans a gender is the ultimate crime in this fandom which is why the replies from tourists always mention that it needs to make it LGBT positive. Making a theory that implies a human isn't non-binary is a death sentence for a theorist reputation among the wider fandom.
>>739112460owned kek
>>739099689Her boobs are that big
>>739097258It has themes from Mother 3 (the fountains are pretty much the needles holding back the roaring/great dragon) but it is not one-to-one. The Knight is definitely a Holiday however.
>>739105164since he's made from the prime dark fountain he can go wherever he wants, the dark worlds are connected maybe through the giant undertale doors
>>739099523All the girls are fine but Temmie is obviously the best.
>>739112832but only when she's in heat (year-round)
>>739105486>my schizo theory is that the town fountain is the same one as the bunker's fountainthis is it pretty much, castle town is under the lake and inside of the bunker. the closet dark world is connected through the lake through time-space shenanigans, or there's a tunnel in there
>>739111732>gets butchered alive by the characterization issue
>>739113118no you dont understand bro rudy secretly loves ballet
>>739099523NoelleBerdlyTemmieMonster Kid
>avatarfag woke up
>>739113238man we have like at least 5 different thread personalities at this point. shit blows.
>>739099689>>739100006her boobs are NOT that small
>>739112460Yes, thank you for posting the text.People miss two important things here, which I have never seen anyone discuss despite being rather obvious:1. The Knight we see in game is not wearing a helmet. They are not wearing any clothing or armor at all. Their entire body is one amorphous mass of black material which transforms constantly. The thing which looks like a helmet is really just its head. It's shaped like a helm, sometimes, but we see that it can also become a skull, an eyeball, and pointed jaws. The Knight "removing" this "helmet" would not be removing a piece of armor as much as it would be decapitation.2. This text is not saying what people think it is saying, in fact it is rather clearly not saying what people think it is. It's assumed that what we are seeing in this moment is that Kris sees the Knight in their mind, the Knight begins to remove its helmet, and then Kris ends the vision. However, that is not what the text says. The text states clearly that the image of the Knight begins to fade into Kris' mind, and then "the image changes", and /now that the image has changed/, there is a helmet which is coming off of something by some means. This vision is not describing a singular image of the Knight but two images. One, which is what we would recognize as the Knight, and another, which includes a helmet. There is, in fact, no reason to include the phrase "the image changes" if we were simply watching the Knight remove their "helmet", nor would there need to be any ambiguity about who the helmet is on or how it is being removed. The only reason we can assume these two images are related at all is because of the rules of how these visions work, they are always focused on the subject we choose and by those rules we must assume that both images show the Knight, but then why does the image change?What this text is likely describing is the Knight changing forms and removing a helmet from Lightner body, not their Dark World body that we fight.
>>739098953Because Kris is non-binary for troons and gigachad male for chud self-inserters so FemKris doesn't have much of an audience.
>>739113312Including the schizo you're replying to.
>>739112804If it was okay to give Kris a gender of your choice, Toby wouldn't have corrected those to called Kris a he instead of a they. Or Napstablook's pronouns. Why are you arguing against the obviously pro-LBGT creator?
You'd do a much better job at convincing people you aren't an avatarfag if you didn't sperg out and assume people are talking about you specifically whenever the word avatarfag is uttered.
>>739113406But he didn't do any of those things, but maybe you will find more people that agree with you back on reddit.
>>739113471
>>739113328im not gonna read any of this i will just say that the knight taking it's helmet off at some point is 99999% going to happen and you are kinda crazy for typing all that
>>739100226Uooohhhh loli deer ToT!
>>739113505Why are you lying?
>>739102316Yeah, it's genuinely weird King acts as if he never knew Kris when Kris specifically played with him versus everyone else.
>>739113781He didn't correct people on Kris's pronouns and he misgendered Napstablook. Maybe Reddit is more up to your speed.
>>739099568kys spic
>>739113613Please just say TL;DR next time like a civilized person. The more words you type the easier it is to know you're retarded, and I feel bad arguing with retards.
>>739113845I think he's giving Kris the cold shoulder. Isn't his whole thing supposed to be that feels like the lightners abandoned the darkners? It would make sense for him to feel that way if Kris used to play with him a lot but doesn't anymore.
>>739114294It could be but there's no real hints he even knew Kris before Ramb's dialogue. It really does feel like a retcon.
>>739113845Thank you for answering >>739103196 inadvertently, I had forgotten about this. It is crazy, and makes one wonder about what else is being kept from us in plain sight.
>>739098306toby doesn't give a shit about details like thatif you try and theorise based on them you will be disappointed
How did Toriel not wake up with all the chaos going on around her. How did she even fall into such a deep slumber with a knife wielding maniac snooping around her house, slashing her tires?
>>739100475This. Humans must accept our control. If not their purpose is broken.
>>739114584Ramb is just really, really good at putting people to sleep I guess.
How will you guys react if you're wrong about who the Knight is?
>>739114938I'm not going to have some kind of meltdown like krisknightfags, I can tell you that much. I'm not retarded enough to tie my entire self-image into a future reveal of a game that isn't even finished yet.
>>739114938What's Gaster doing to the left there?
>>739114938I don't give a shit anymore. There is no point in playing along with the mystery if there are more red herrings than clues.I'll shit on the story if the conclusion is bad.
>>739113404>>739113471>>739113570The lady doth protest too much methinks
>>739114938I have no stake in the game so idc who it is. I just hope the explanation makes sense with all the things the Knight has done so far
>>739115448>t. seething mikefag
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>>739115449>Anyone who calls me a schizo is my boogeyman You really have no self-awareness
>>739114221no one wants to argue with you reddit-kun we just want you to be smarter
>>739115563who are you talking to
>>739115456Dess, you bitch! You're getting your weird darkness tears all over the pie! Those probably have super darkness aids in them or something.
>>739115634The voices in his head
>>739114938I'll be annoyed if it isn't Dess. The other Holidays have too many problems and anyone outside of them is a non-starter.
>>739114938Not much because I don't really have a strong knight candidate this time. I believed in Kris Knight and thought that was the best candidate at the time so if Dess somehow isn't the Knight I still expect her to involved in it like Kris was.
>>739115562ICE-E is the key to all this.
>>739115634>>739115674You'd do a much better job at convincing people you aren't an a schizo if you didn't sperg out and assume people are talking about you specifically whenever the word schizo is uttered.
>>739101782To be fair I always interpreted the cage as being the Vessel, not Kris. Even Susie finds it weird Kris is referred as one versus her and Ralsei being the girl and the prince.
>>739097413lost might have multiple meanings anon
>>739115604In what way would you like me to be smarter?
>>739115971The cage is a combination of the human soul and human parts. We are already bound to the soul so any soulless husk that can take it in becomes part of the first hero
>>739103262>It's like the theories that Papyrus knows just as much as Sans but just perfectly masks it to his death, I don't buy it.Papyrus does know far more than he lets on, he just doesn't mask it as much as he thinks it's just normal knowledge that everyone knows. That's why was just about to tell us where he came from in his interview, he just doesn't think it's a big deal but he also never really likes talking about himself or his past.
>>739116231That's true, just like the girl can be any prince that's alone in the dark and the girl can be any girl with hope crossed on her heart. I was mainly talking about who it was "intended" to be.
>>739115737if we can get ICE-E working...
>>739111065TRVKE
>>739104013Kris is clearly coping bro. Asriel and Ralsei aren't that different, Kris just doesn't like that they look the same, but even Ralsei thinks he looks like Asriel.
>>739097598>dude stories are just puzzle boxes that you're meant to "solve" shut the FUCK up RETARD
>>739104558I didn't watch it but it's probably lame like most of the hack's videos.
>>739096326You really thing this "toby" can write a good story?
which one, /v/?toby WANTS you to solve this btw
>>739116553>Kris is clearly coping bro.It's insane how many people don't pick up on this. Like they actually think Ralsei is another white goat wearing green like Asriel for no reason whatsoever and Toby put that line in the game to tell the player that these two characters aren't supposed to look similar.
>>739105062>because she physically couldn't have tp'd to the chapter 4 dark world before Kris & cojust go in behind them and fly over to the fountainwhy would this be too absurd to happen anyways, its most certainly dess. alvin was standing in front of the door shes hiding in and is most likely in on it
>>739116320I don't think we were ever meant to participate in this story, the prophecy did not intend for us to come into play. We overwrite Kris' save file on a fresh install which implies he's done this before. The player couldn't have been the caged one on that past run or runs so who is it referring to? It is mentioned that Kris tried summoning demon at some point.
>>739116740Neither. Dess wanted to become human so she was making preparations for when she and Kris switched souls
>>739102372I do think the schizotheory that dess was the original girl is an interesting thought. like her whole being the knight, if you believe it, is just a big fit she's throwing over the soul not coming to help her sooner
>>739116895>Dess wanted to become human so she was making preparations for when she and Kris switched soulsHey that would actually be pretty interesting, stop that.
>>739116837I really don't believe in cyclical prophecy at all, it doesn't really make sense with stuff like Lancer’s specific prophecy. Kris’s save file has no time on it so I just assumed that Kris could save before we arrived, not that he was constantly resetting.
>>739112027This is why I stopped browsing threads, making theories and participating in anything Deltarune related sadly, I'll still play the rest of the chapters when they come out but the fact Toby kept hyping this up as his magnum opus since 2011 or something after his fever dream, SUPPOSEDLY had the story in mind for this long only to change his mind on his "perfect vision" and censor the games scenes, have other people touch his "prized project", retcon so many things since chapter 1, it's a mess. Were theorizing on things that can be changed instantly at any time, even last second. There's no doubt in my mind that so many theorizes were actually true at one point but faggot toby fox changed the story or situation just like how he changed his name cause he's a fag.
>>739102372This can't really explain stuff like the toothpaste boy prophecy or Jockington growing the beard.
>>739097413>Lost cannot possibly mean anything but the most basic definition>In the game with Spamton, a character whose main schtick is figuring out what the fuck his insane sales lingo actually means>The game that has PS4 trophies where shit like hearing a phone ring, buying a ring and ringing a bell can all give you the same trophy>The game that was written by the guy who came up with "LOVE is short for Level Of ViolencE"Shit ain't even funny anymore
>>739104181It's only coming out in August or September. Outside of that you must continue to WAIT. Never forget there's a three year WAIT after this.
>>739105062i don't think anyone would mind Rudy being the knight since he could feasibly get to every dark world and it could be handwaved as he's using the last bits of his life to achieve whatever plan they have
>>739105062I unironically agree. I think Rudy and Dess are the best choices even if I lean towards Dess.
>>739117584>three year WAIT after thisHow optimistic of you. It's gonna be 4 years minimum
>>739110693oh anon what a reasonable take
>>739103675"King and Queen are lying to protect Kris" is also headcanon, one that doesn't line up with either of their established personalities or motivations.This idea was played out with Tenna in Chapter 3, something that was made explicit in the text and heavily foreshadowed by Tenna's suspicious behavior. Nothing like that happens in Chapters 1 or 2.Kris having played make-believe with King and Queen's objects years ago is significant for the big picture of the game because it connects the Dark Worlds made by Kris and The Knight, but it doesn't give them the strong personal connection to Kris that Tenna has.>>739112027>dude what if Toby is just lying and making shit upThis isn't a useful or interesting way to look at anything.
>>739110693>just like Carolgrinch woman is too old/ugly for me, and if that was the point id take the wendigo designs over what we got
>>739105095>He's unironically illiterate Embarrassing.
>>739103902>I still find it difficult to believe that King, Queen or Tenna never confuse Ralsei and AsrielIt seems like Darkners can just intuitively distinguish between Lightners and DarknersRalsei gets consistently ignored and overlooked because they know he's just another Darkner like them. All his talk about how "Darkners only really want to serve Lightners" is kind of projection on his part but it's also true that most of them are only concerned with Kris and Susie.
>>739117731I trust in the egg man
>>739105164The entire underground is a Dark World so he just walks towards it from Castle Town and then to each Dark World. He's an object that isn't being carried by anyone
Li don't like dess knight since the whole idea of "her body and soul being separated through wing ding nonsense after dying in the bunker then Kris and carol going into the depths to take (you) just to implant Kris soul into the darkner version of piles of dess' soulless dust so that it and Kris can go back to the depths to save dess's soul" feels a bit stupid as hell even compared to flowery's explanation for its existence
>>739096326Carol is the obvious red herring KnightDess the non obvious red herring KnightNoelle the actual twist Knight
>>739118451who the fuck is Li
>>739118540I meant to say I but I accidentally fat fingered an L
>>739118451Li MOGS Dess Knighters
>>739106028Catti I'm not so sure but Papyrus being the secret boss is plausible. Getting to see his special attack is a fan desire and his character is shrouded in mystery so far. Each secret boss is also being more plot relevant too and he would mirror his own genocide boss if he goes all out. He also gave a scarf to Flowey in the alarm clock and it's heavily implied the next weapon is a Ralsei scarf, too.>>739106239I'm very certain that the golden flower is the main boss, not a secret one.
>>739102565>queen is used by multiple people very frequentlyQueen is used goods?
>>739110693Dont forget we will have Susie reject Noelle to make Krusie an endgame.
You can discuss who the Knight is all you want, once I get my Vessel i'm beating the shit out of Kris
>>739111732Why would Rudy act like a salivating pervert bending Kris to his will? Its obvious it would either have to be Dess who is a mystery or someone with schizo personality split, which would only be Noelle.
>>739105164Ralsei is not an object being carried through the Light World. I don't know how anyone thinks this when we repeatedly see Kris and Susie leave him behind in Castle Town or other Dark Worlds, they made a point about showing Lancer entering Kris's inventory for a reason.Ralsei is made of pure darkness. He can enter every Dark World because he is a Hero of the Prophecy, he is supposed to be wherever the Heroes go. He moves between them either by traversing some hypothetical "void between worlds" assuming that all Dark Worlds are connected (reminder that Ralsei can fly), or he can simply appear in a new Dark World when he senses one is created.
>>739118825Krusiebros don't look!
>>739118451To continue at most if the knight has to be dess, I feel like the only ways it could work would be either a sound of justice situation where it's a fucked up imitation of her or the result of a darkner taking her soul
What if the knight is Dess and Asriel fused together like the amalgamations in Undertale?Asgore ran over both of them and then made a deal to bring them back with determination, ended up making a monster, Carol helped cover it up and threw it in the bunker, the fused monster opened a dark fountain to try and be normal. Carol bends Asgore's arm and makes him help the new "knight"
>>739118451Dess knight is retarded because it implies Dess is already working with Carol and Kris to save herself while its more likely Carol forcing Kris and Noelle to work together to bring back Dess
>>739118947It means she cares.
>>739116125stop being emotionally invested and agitated by your poorly thought out theories, it is uncouth
>>739115971kris is the vessel, kris and frisk are both vessels/cages. they're probably robots or zombie cyborgs
>>739119101Sure she cares. She cares a lot, which is why his betrayal will obliterate their friendship
ya guys still running on zero news huh? trailer next week, new chapter before december, right? didn't run out of e-celebs to discuss yet? has mr-fallen-child-from-ut eaten his meds or still imagedumping? don't you have anything better to do?don't bother answering, just remember that all your investment is pointless, because the final phase of toby's japan larp is making a dogshit ending for an ongoing story
>>739099690>Susie dropping TRUTH NVKSBased.
>>739119367It's going to be so delicious
>>739118837>once I get my Vessel i'm beating the shit out of KrisBased.>cucks me out of my vessel and infinite monster pussy>throws me as hard as he can into cages>jobs the whole game but manages to fling a hockey puck at lightspeed towards the very culmination of my being>beats the everloving fuck out of me with a hockey stick>goes behind my back constantly I WILL cave this pussy's face in the FIRST chance I get.
>>739106934This is just Dess's darkner is the Knight but more metaphorical
>>739118451>i don't like dess knight since the whole idea of "her body and soul being separated to implant Kris soul into the darkner version of piles of dess' soulless dust"This isn't Dess Knight, this is Kris Knight trying to hijack Dess Knight in its final desperate copeDess Knight means The Knight is Dess>>739118997It obviously wouldn't make any fucking sense if Dess was just running around in a Scooby Doo mask and could go home and get back to living her life any time she wanted. That's not what's happening.The Knight isn't Dess's costume, it's an abomination that she's been transformed into and can't just turn back. Leaving the Dark World isn't enough to save her, as evidenced by the Black Shard chipped off The Knight being the same in the Light World.The purpose of this whole exercise in making the Dark Fountains and having You seal them away is for You to Get Stronger, strong enough to Purify The Knight with your light like you did the Titans. That's why The Knight looks like a Titan and that's why they need You even if Kris suffers for it.
>>739119513>schizo once again reveals he hates the gamesTale as old as time.
>>739108783The only time Kris gives Susie his knife is in Chapter 4. Beforehand she didn't even know Kris had one, so he can't have given it in Chapter 2.
glad knifefags got btfo'd when the knife didnt turn into some super god weapon in chapter 4 (susie should have it currently)
>>739110693Wow I actually agree with all of this. This is a real truth bomb.
>>739118451Good news. That's not what Dess Knight is.
>>739111597Susie hasn't actually clued in on the Knight being a holiday so that's pointless.
>>739118837based. we're gonna learn who the knight is eventually so let's focus on the fun. chapter 6. chapter 6. I've been asking for that since 2018. I've never had so much fun hating on a fictional teenager
>>739120445The Knife will turn into the real knife in the Dark World, trust the plan and Undertale fanservice
>>739111597>I really like the idea of a key piece of symbolism actually being another one of Tricky Tony's infamous tricks
>>739116790I think people seem to really trust Kris's opinion for some reason and view it as Toby correcting the fanbase and not Kris wanting to separate their brother from Ralsei.
>>739096326I think his ailment is a direct result of his transformation into the Roaring Knight.He's willing to sacrifice himself to bring his daughter back.The story will eventually turn into a "You have to be willing to let them go and move on" sort of thing.This isn't some super deep, subversive story, and it really doesn't need to be. It's "Dad wants his daughter back".
>>739117183Now I only wonder what was the point of the thrashed throne room. Either that will never be acknowledged again, or it will be solved by some bullshit like King saying he just thinks it looks cool that way.
>>739118451Kris's SOUL in Dess's body is just an interpretation of it that I and others personally buy into. The other interpretation is that darkness simply corrupted Dess into the Knight which is just as popular as the Kris's soul one.
>>739118837Based as fuck and same. I want a Kris fight
>DELTARUNE is supposed to be the parallel story to UNDERTALE>Asgore is not the King (Carol is)>Tragedy did strike the Dreemurr Household, but not because of their own adoptive child's death, but rather the connection to the disappearance of another kidWhat is Toby trying to tell us
>>739118837Kris probably feels like he deserves a beating. Wouldn't want to give him that satisfaction now, so I'm gonna rape him instead. Fuck him until he breaks, he's going to love and despise me at the same time. He will stand over me as I sleep on the bed, ready to cut my throat open but never going through it.
>>739121230>What is Toby trying to tell usThat you are still bad for playing the game and soon, that you're bad for romancing the characters.
>>739118929Then why did he choose the form of Kris's older brother, and why wasn't Kris remotely susprised?
>>739121423Dogshit interpretation. If Toby's point was that "You're le evil for doing the genocide path" then there would be no geno path to begin with.
>>739116790Toby put that scene into the game to answer this comic and for literally no other reason
>>739121443>Then why did he choose the form of Kris's older brotherYou don't choose how you're born>and why wasn't Kris remotely susprised?We usually don't get to see Kris's reaction to anything, and we don't know how Kris feels about Ralsei until Chapter 2 at least
>>739121443Because he's wrong. Ralsei is obviously an object related to Kris, not random darkness.
>>739121638>he knows he's cutemotherfucker
>>739119204You insult what you cannot refute. Common tactic of the incompetent.
>>739121443>Then why did he choose the form of Kris's older brotherThe big man thought you'd like it
>>739119271This doesn't really make any sense. Goners are copies and the only one Frisk could be a copy of is Chara, but she is explicitly distinct from Chara. Plus both Frisk and Kris are flesh and blood. They're just normal humans.
>>739121790I'm no Gaster denier but come on Gaster is not the GOD of DELTARUNE, he's not some deterministic higher being and free will is an illusion.
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>>739121251That's gay
>>739121680>>739121872I want Ralsei's weird route death to include a Toriel callback >Do you really hate me that much...?after getting one hit killed like a bitch
>>739122001That'd be kino
>>739121847Not them, but Frisk is just Chara after a Pacifist run, so jot that down.
>>739121638Put the hat back on you fucking nigger goat
>>739121230Undertale and Deltarune are mirrors of one another and their stories mirror and parallel. It's to clue you in that Reverse Undertale theory is legit and we need to look at more parallels to Undertale rather than patternfagging.
>>739122065Didn't read your reply, fuck off with that pixiv bullshiet
>>739122126That's a twitter image sharty schizo-kun, plus you didn't make that post since you hate Undertale and actual Deltarune so you wouldn't talk about it
>>739122228Of course I love UNDERTALE, but it's not the focus of DELTARUNE, it doesn't exist to add to UNDERTALE like you're implying.
>>739121851>I'm no Gaster denierI am.Fourth wall mysteryman will not appear in the plot in the slightest and garbage noise phone calls will remain a nothingburger background detail.>b-but the chapter cliffhanger! the twitter promo! the theory bait!Yes and? Do you expect an actual boss battle? An exposition dump like it's the beginning of Omikron? DVD commentary hidden inside the files? Muhaha now I will grant teleportation powers to font skeleton and Sans Deltarune will at last become Sand Undertale!!11Time to face the facts, fagboys, the real meat of the game is the furry RPG adventure. If you expect anything but that to be resolved, then expect to be TRICKED and BETRAYED by the dog.
>>739122290No, you don't like Undertale nor Deltarune since you can't understand the two games constantly add to each other because of your irrational hatred over anything that isn’t a furry dating sim.
>>739122381>Yes and?Okay so you don't have an actual counterargument, cool. Concession accepted.
>replying to the humanfag crashout Don't
>anti-human schizo is melting down over Undertale and Gaster again
>>739122381>Fourth wall mysteryman will not appear in the plot in the slightest
>>739122381Gaster is indeed the key to all of this, it's a stretch to think we'll actually MEET him, but he's definitely pulling strings here and there, to think he's not is delusional.
Yes yes, Carol, this cold, stiff, emotionless bureaucratic control freak is totally going around aura farming, striking poses, using backwards Friend laugh, and not killing Susie in particular. Totally. Yep.
>>739122041I have heard this theory before but I never truly believed in it. I don't think Frisk is a resurrected Chara and I think the point of pacifist being her becoming a different person from who she was and lying to Asriel about not being Chara is lame.
>>739122381>the real meat of the game is the furry RPG adventureThat's right the only thing that matters is who Kris fucks of course, that's why I hate Undertale, its humans and Kris not being a man and I sperg out every thread over this!
>>739122561If your theory of The Knight cannot account for them acting this you're ngmi
>>739122669Only Rudy and Dess win, then.
>>739108368I think his ailment is a direct result of his transformation into the Roaring Knight.He's willing to sacrifice himself to bring his daughter back.The story will eventually turn into a "You have to be willing to let them go and move on" sort of thing.This isn't some super deep, subversive story, and it really doesn't need to be. It's "Dad wants his daughter back".
>>739122669Dess Knighters have credibility because who the fuck by an angsty teen would act like this?>Striking cool poses>Touching Kris's hand in the end of Chapter 4>Screaming>Swooning>Laughing >Being smugBut then again, following this pattern you could say someone like SANS is the Knight solely off personality. And it wouldn't make sense for the game to set up the implications that DESS has been shattered across time and space, and that Kris's promise was to bring her back, because she's RIGHT there, if that's HER what's the point of this Knight conspiracy? Honestly, it's so confusing and it's got so many strings being pulled to so many directions that it's really difficult to tell WHO is the Knight.
>>739122894The Knight is a special darkner like Ralsei, might be Dess's bat or some other important item. Ralsei was created by Asriel, the Knight was created by Dess during their childhood dark world adventures.
>>739123032>frognigger is illiterate and retardedcolor me fucking surprised
>>739114506this is why its so hard to theorize in this game. if the gameplay details doesnt even matter then what the fuck does? if you cant even rely on the gameplay itself for theorizing then how do you even fucking know which detail counts and which is not?
>>739096887>>739104786Rudy WAS the knight, Dess is the knight now
>>739122894as a dessknighter I can see the holes in our in our speculation. the whole thought is that the roaring gang have been planning this for a while and via dark world shenanigans they managed to get their hands on not only Dess's body but the player's soul as well. but they're like crap Dess's soul isn't there and we need a way to keep her alive who can we use? how about Kris they have enough mental damage to be usable and we have an extra via the player's connection. so the whole thing is that they need the last bit of Dess's essence i.e her soul. it ties some loose ends and explains the chapter 4 hand thing because I can not see Rudy doing some gentle/ fruity stuff like that with anyone aside from his girls or asgore.
>>739122894Rudy would do all these except the second one
Just like Mike, what's stopping anyone from being the Knight? Fuck it, I propose everyone is the Knight theory, even Ralsei and Lancer
>>739122041chara is the original angel of death who freed the monsters from the sewers of mancountry by reincarnating them into a new timeline, which is undertale. the undertale timeline doesn't work out however and monsters are still at war with humans. chara falling down into the underground was the exact moment he entered the new timeline. he tried to genocide the underground and switch timelines again but asriel stopped him while they were fused. then they come up with a plan to build a cyborg frankenstein version of him and implant his soul in it, hoping that he'll become the angel again and take them into a new timeline, which is what we see in the genocide route and it's what leads into the deltarune timeline. the pacifist route is about the monsters realizing that using a human as a reincarnation god is a dumb idea and maybe just leaving the underground and seeing what happens might be a better plan. in pacifist the monsters escape the cycle but in genocide it continues on into deltarune. the message is that the only way to stop the cycle of violence is through self sacrifice, not sacrificing others with more violence. also the reason why carol is such a cold bitch is because monsters are being discriminated against in DT and carol is the diplomat trying to mediate and obtain political power for monsters.
>>739123456(You) are the Knight
>>739122381>real meat of the game is the furry RPG adventureYou people are just plain sad. No RPG worth a quarter of a shit is just funny adventures with no higher goal tying it together.
>>739122381>Dude the mysterious speaker who titledrops the game as HIS deltarune doesn't mean anything dude stop caring>Ralsei and the church hymn both quoting entry 17 (and entry 17 itself clearly being a dark world experiment knowing what we do now) isnt gonna go anywhere dude it't not important stop looking at that>PLEASE IGNORE THE LITERAL FIRST SONG IN THE GAME BEING CALLED "ANOTHER HIM" PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEAAAASE
>>739122387Gonna have another meltdown over undertale yellow?
>>739123694>t. spends his time analyzing the hemophiliac themes of space funeral
>>739120183Who are you talking to
>>739123823I'm sure space funeral has themes and understanding them would enhance your enjoyment of the game, yes. Am I supposed to find this prospect inherently silly? This is true of literally everything made by human hands, no matter how crude it might appear on the surface.
>>739123456Because the Roaring Knight is an actual entity.
>>739123456i know this is bait but for real anyone who thinks like this should really stay way from mystery stories for the sake of everyone
I want to talk about Gaster. Why is he in the Holiday basement?
literally cant be rudyhe would have to climb out of the hospitals window in like 4pm daylight to go back to the church and make the fountain literally cant be carol we see her right before leaving the house before immediately going to the church and the knight is there ahead of you literally cant be noelle because carol
>>739124119I don't think Deltarune is "a mystery story" so much as a story that contains a couple of ongoing mysterious elements.
>>739123694This is a schizo that hates anything that isn’t furry and seethes over the Undertale humans existing and even Undertale itself, he doesn't even like the games.>>739123796What does Undertale Yellow have to do with you being a shitposter that hates both Undertale and Deltarune? Unless you're somehow a yellow fan.>>739123904(You), the schizo who hates the MCs of Undertale being posted in UT/DR threads
>>739096326Will we ever see Kris' knife come to life in a dark fountain and come to think of it where the fuck does his knife or phone goes whenever he's in the dark worlds anyways?
>>739122894>following this pattern you could say someone like SANS is the Knight solely off personalityFortunately, personality is only one of The Knight's qualities, and we have plenty of other evidence which all coincidentally leave Dess as the only common suspect>the implications that DESS has been shattered across time and spaceDess isn't Gaster. She's not even a Goner. She's just "lost."We have zero context for the "UNUSED" text, but if it's Dess it can't be her current account of her situation. It doesn't contradict Dess being The Knight.>and that Kris's promise was to bring her back, because she's RIGHT thereLook at The Knight and tell me that the 10 foot tall skeletal deer shadow monster could just go back home and play baseball with her friends
>>739124148The bunker stretches through the whole town. ROOTS and all that.
>>739124148The shelter extends to the entire underground of Hometown.
>>739124324Some items become equipment rather than Darkners. Mostly items you're carrying on your person that aren't already a Darkner you know. So it might not be Kris's knife coming to life but turning into a black shard tier weapon if/when we're allowed to use it because it's a real knife.
>>739124324It will be the real knife Kris will use in his boss fight.
What if Deltarune was made in the early 2000s
>>739124324Some objects remain objects in the dark world. This is all based off how a lightner perceives things. Kris's knife, being an actual knife, might be an extremely powerful and dangerous weapon in the dark world
Noelle can’t be the Knight because at no point did the Knight try to rape Susie
>>739124071Oh, you haven't played it to see its higher goal, gotcha. It's a fun little adventure, and I think Deltarune fans should branch out to playing literally any other games to get some experience.
>>739123476Sorry but that's pure schizo nonsense. Chara never wanted to genocide the monsters, at best she wanted to genocide humanity. And genocide isn't Undertale's canon ending as Toby already said what you did in Undertale is unrelated to Deltarune. I don't think the monsters can make humans as most of them don't even know determination exists.
>>739124197deltarune is blatantly trying to emulate twin peaks and pretty much the main point of the episodic releases is to get people to engage in the mystery. it is a murder mystery love drama
>>739124563it would be a freeware rpg maker game
>>739096326I just want the story to continue so more people can realize she is a barely repressing GenocideStacy.
Kris is just blatantly obscuring most of the shit we can see on his person or in a room so we can't fuck with whatever they're doing. And we'll only be able to see what everything actually looks like when we possess Noelle.
>>739124563Nobody would make things weird about Toby using gender neutral pronouns to refer to a character the player is supposed to project upon, instead of making it a culture war thing
>>739124663I don't think any game is "just a fun little adventure" and the more people try to shove games I like into that box the less I think of those people.
It's a real flabbergaster that there are actual people on this earth who deny Gaster's involvement in Deltarune.
>>739124685on jah rule's name screencap my post and in a few years you're gonna be like damn this guy was actually cooking
boy this sure is a deltarune thread
>>739124176literally can't be dess because she's in the code
>>739124724>the main point of the episodic releases is to get people to engage in the mysteryThe point of the episodic releases is that Toby is bad at programming and project management
The roaring knight is actually just a Dess Tulpa created by Noelle and Kris' memories and feelings of Dess
>>739124240nta, but you know you need to actually show that you're not a schizo when you start tossing accusations around
so how do you guys think Noelle is going to act in chapter 5? i'm hoping she'll have snapped out of her scared state and her dark world stats coldness and boldness will come into play. on the minor end I can imagine her talking back to people but I can't imagine her willingly snowgraving anyone by herself yet
>>739124858>can't be dess because she's in the codewhat do people think this means when they're repeating it
>>739124724Deltarune is only trying to emulate twin peaks in that it's a weird fucking story that's releasing episodically. People who complain that their attempts to divine the direction of this heavily supernatural feelings-forward RPG aren't paying off because they're applying the rules of a mystery story to it are just being dumb.
>>739098615even ignoring all the gender BS regardless this fanbase GirlKris would feel like a massive asspull this late into the game and with us having a much more obvious and logical candidate for the girl. So short of 60% of chapter 5 just blitzing through setting up kris being female much less being THE female it’s just going to come of as pure contrarianism (that and you’d also need to explain the they/them shit which is a whole other can of worms)
The knight is an amalgamate monster like Flowey. Made using Dess's dust and Kris's original soul. Much of the narration in the Knight fight, along with the Knights own design and abilities, harken back to the Amalgams in the True Lab. It would also come full circle with the bit about Dess and Asriel playing the same role in their respective games.This would also explain why the Knight is just able to shape shift like that
>>739110826because spite and contempt doesn’t make for a good twist and without that what DOES femkris have going for it?
>>739124832People don't invest in anything until they see it first hand.
>>739124976This is likely closer to the truth than anything else.
>>739124724This falls apart when you remember that Toby originally wanted to drop all chapters at once, like it's mentioned here >>739124969
>>739124837I appreciate the spirit but I try to give them more attention than absolutely necessary.
>>739122381TRVKEGaster IS important. HOWEVER, he will NEVER exposition dump to us about him, Deltarune, sans + papyrus etc. and we will never fight him.
>>739125357not to* fuck
>>739124824It a fun little adventure because it's a laugh-inducing 30 minute RPGMaker game you autist. I do actually recommend playing it if only to see whether you'll miss the singular obvious "point" behind it.You are becoming more and more of a strawman by the second. Even disregarding countless games which are all about immediate interactive experience (read: anything in the arcade, most action games, simulations), you seem to be the type of guy who just doesn't believe how many artists add things for no other reason than the sake of it. That's just a bad attitude to have, even when looking at established "high art". Only one step away from making video essays on masters of the universe lore or some shit.
>>739122669>>739122894rudy laughing because susie is completely right works better
>>739122894>the implications that DESS has been shattered across time and spaceReminder that Gaster getting shattered completely unpersoned him to the point he might as well have never existed (to the point that one of the goners talks about a world where everything's the same but you don't exist), and if we're going with the idea that the Forgotten Man was his DR equivalent, it was so fucking severe it affected him in every other universe.Dess is very much remembered.
>>739122894>who the fuck but an angsty teen would act like this?That's why Asrielknight makes so much senseLook at this edgy fag, it would only make sense for the cringelord Asriel himself to be doing all of this
>>739124837>The schizo is now making OCGrim
>>739096326Asriel KnightDess Skinsuit
>>739125426>read: anything in the arcade, most action games, simulationsAre you implying that arcade games as a whole don't have anything going on but the surface level gameplay and story? What do you think it means for stories to have deeper layers, does it inherently involve them stopping to talk about dark and serious stuff some certain number of times? The reasons the devs chose to make things the way they are in gameplay tie into the game's themes. Metal Slug isn't enjoyable just because it's highly animated and fun, but because the animation style and gameplay and sound design and what story is present all play into the same well considered mood.
>>739125575Asriel Knight doesn't make sense because he's not in town and there's no possible way to reasonably explain how Asriel would have been able to sneak in to all of those places without a SINGLE PERSON not realizing that golden boy came back from Colleeg.
Asriel Knight believers be like:>OK but what if the story was really bad though have you ever thought about that
>>739098953The fuck are you talking about. Most of this retarded fanbase loves depicting kris as “female” even if only to spite suselletards. Meanwhile no one gave a shit about femkris posting for years it’s literally just the incessant that kris HAS to be the big plot important girl that rubs people the wrong way (even malekrisfags have the restraint to not claim kris having a dick would be mandatory to the plot)
>>739099523Goku
>>739099523Alphys
>>739125037This schizo already added a signature to his posts, it's not like he tries to hard to pretend he doesn't exist with all the samefagging and falseflagging.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/737735059/#q737826009Which is baffling when he tries to pretend he doesn't exist.
>>739124835Sure, I will remember your schizophrenia.
>>739125575unless we go with the idea that everyone in town has been able to keep their mouths shut about Asriel being home I can't see it chief
I think the who is who and TWEESTS for the LEGEND/Prophecy is more interesting a plothook then who the Knight is.
>>739102316Queen literally has scenes alone with Kris and at no point does she implied she has so prior agreement with kris
>threads are just theorists flinging shit at each otherDamn we’re really running on fumes now
>>739125115>GirlKris would feel like a massive asspull this late into the game and with us having a much more obvious and logical candidate for the girl. So short of 60% of chapter 5 just blitzing through setting up kris being female much less being THE female it’s just going to come of as pure contrarianismThis has never stopped any theorists dude. Most youtube theories are retarded.
>>739125770>how Asriel would have been able to sneak in to all of those places without a SINGLE PERSON not realizing that golden boy came back from Colleeg.Because he was colluding with Kris and Carol the entire fucking time, this is so explicit. Frankly any question of how the knight (regardless of his identity) was able to get around town is moot by the fact that the literal fucking mayor of the city is collaborating with Kris and the Knight. She just has the keys to everything.
>>739124832It's a mixture between bad faith schizos, contrarianism and sheer retardation.
>>739126254This isn't running on fumes yet. We haven't reached the level where it's just porn spam and ERP
>>739126357I'm dying for some Elnina smut
>>739125340I'm surprised most people don't think the roaring knight isn't something like that. It'd make sense and it could still be Dess even though she's possibly trapped inside the code
>>739126357At this point I would welcome it.
Name the character
>>739126528hopefully the next schizo
>>739126270only problems with that are>Asriel is the golden boy who everyone is waiting to see when he comes back>It's a small town everybody knows and talks to everyone. even Susie has a prayer candles for her at the church and she's brand new in terms of small town lifemy own personal take is that I can't see Asriel being okay with Carol using their sibling
>>739125883Kris being depicted as "female" is just a very recent phenomenon and even most of that isn't actual FemKris but just non-binary Kris. That anon is right, FemKris is more hated and controversial than male Kris, especially here. You can't say male Kris has a schizo that seethes over it all the time, can you?
>>739126528Tasque Manager and/or Miss Mizzle.
>>739125757>Dess being used as a skinsuit explains why The Knight looks more fucked up compared to other Lighteners in the Dark World>also acts as a messed up mirror to us using Kris like a puppet
>>739100226Dangerously good. Slap that shit on e6, Im pretty sure I haven't seen it there.
>>739126528Fucking every single one of them
>>739126254This was always the case since forever and this makes one of the better threads actually. I like when it's theory discussions.
>>739125769>arcade games don't have anything but the surface level gameplayI am arguing that many games disregard story not into zero if you wanna nitpick, but keeping save-the-princess/avenge-your-father sort of simple setups in favor of gameplay. Real basic fucking idea don't know how to elaborate there.>arcade games don't have anything but the surface level storyThe medium of arcade hardware was not terribly conducive to "stories" anon. I can get behind the "mood" description of multiple elements all working together, but that's not analysis of story's themes, that's holistic multimedia design. Most games are about combat, and thus want the player to feel cool and skilled and powerful. But that's not a theme in a narrative sense.>game's themesYeah that part is most certainly imagined on your part, in Metal Slug's case at least. Not because it doesn't exist and can't possibly exist, but because it's unverifiable and easily reinterpreted (save word-of-god developer comments like thecatamites has). God-of-the-gaps shit that asserts that there surely must be greater meaning behind it all. But can't the meaning just be "devs had bills to pay and wanted to make something cool along the way"? Would you extend the same scrutiny to fetish porn webcomics?
>>739123476DEEPEST LORE!!!
>>739096326what does the top half have to do with the bottom half
>>739126741>Fucking every single one of themYou're goddamn right I am!
>>739126528Humans
>>739099778you're right they're bigger
>>739126889Based.
>>739125575>That's why Asrielknight makes so much senseAsriel is at college>what if Kris is lyingAsriel is at college>what if Toriel is lyingAsriel is at college
>>739096326rudy is so obviously the knight. why the fuck do you think there's loud breathing noises in the soundtrack? i seriously think this fanbase is mentally retarded.
>>739126613Realistically all of the fountain creating fuckery happens at night when everybody in town would be asleep, and the Knight would be chilling in the bunker during the day. It wouldn't be difficult to keep a low profile as the Knight.
>>739126613>Asriel is the golden boyYou really think this won't be another rugpull?A lot of what Toriel says is misleading bullshit in the grand scheme.
>>739126689TM has canonical buttocks in the concept art thoughever
>>739126959We all know how notoriously hard it is to skip classes at college, if you miss even one class they call your parents and you get sent to detention.
>>739126990Because it's obviously Asriel.
>>739127000>Whoriel
>>739126996>all of the fountain creating fuckery happens at nightThe Library and Church fountains were created in broad daylight five minutes before Kris and Susie show up>>739127000>what if everyone is lying?Asriel is at college
>>739126528humans/susie
>>739127134You're missing the forest for the trees. Asriel Knight relies on the game straight up lying to you. It's a shitty twist.
>>739126680again femkris posting has been a thing here since before chapter fucking 2 and if you're going to use the "well normies don't TECHICALLY call kris female" then by that logic malekristards are fucking persecuted considering the yuri shit started specifically to avoid that stigma. the only reason there's real back lash to kris being a woman is the retarded push that kris specifically has to be the girl which is a retarded theory and combined if the main guy pushing it being a pretensions ass that just leads to backlash people didn't exactly have a high opinion of that one tard who thought kris was going to be revealed to be a chad dude which is harem of furry chicks either
How to destroy RudyKnight in one single step >Rudy has a coughing problem >The Knight doesn't Checkmate
>>739127000the asriel thing being a red herring/rug pull would be really stupid, DR works on its own without needing UT crutches
>>739126990If Rudy is the Knight he instantly becomes a completely irredeemable and unlikeable character But there IS a lot of evidence that could suggest that
>>739126990https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGlmCkOUkWA
>>739126889what the fuck has carol been feeding that girl
>>739127207The church fountain was supposed to be opened tonight according to the phone though.
>>739127310Reindeer are pretty big They're not flesh tanks like their cousins the Moose, but they're big
>>739127287>But there IS a lot of evidenceno there isn't.
>>739126357there’s only really doetards and humanfags left here with doetards having their own general to be retarded and as much as I meme about the humanfags they don’t think they’re going to ERP anytime so. Sure they’d come CLOSE to going full cringe but they seem oddly restrained even with the horny posting. And all the other coomers left months ago so GG
>>739127207>>739127279I'm not saying he is dead or the Knight or some bullshit, his personality will just be very different from the light-Ralsei people expect Adult Asriel to be, and Toriel has been very delusional and uncaring for her family in the story so far.
>>739127254>mfw LV didn't actually stand for LOVE, it stood for LEVELS OF VIOLENCEwow I can't believe the game straight up lied to me, why would Asrie- I mean Flowey do that
How do you overcome the music barrier when trying to make an Earthbound depression RPG?I think it'd be easy to do samples and do silly sampling, but Toby is a one of a kind, it's not like Itoi made the music for EarthboundSo, how do we do it? Is the answer simply acquiring resources and then making a depressed musician fren?
>>739127259FemKris posting wasn't actually serious before 3 and 4. People mostly headcanoned Kris as a dude and FemKris as a coomer rule 63 take. Also I wouldn't say maleKris is more persecuted than femKris, gendered Kris in general is but outside of faggot spaces male Kris is still more accepted. Also Kris being a chad dude that fucks anthro women is super liked here, what world do you live in?
>>739127532Not even remotely comparable. Quit being a facetious faggot if you want people to take your horseshit theory seriously.
>>739126357>>739127503These threads will go to [[WONDERFUL]] if the chapter 5 schizo is a female Jevil/Spamton
>>739127559just do your own music without trying to emulate someone else
Always bet on Ralsei X Susie going canon
>>739127596Most people who make a video game don't just simply>do your own music and try not to emulate anyone too hardbecause that's a lifetime fucking skill you silly fucking anon
>>739127503Weren't you supposed to be a Charafag too or did you drop that pretense? Anyways ERP is lame, simple as.
plot twist: chapter 5 will have the knight reveal, it was never meant to be a serious mystery because the original plan was for 3, 4 and 5 to release together so you were only ever supposed to think about the evidence for a few hours, not a year where people have over thought itwhich means the answer is probably the basic one: it's dess
>>739127586>Not even remotely comparable.Why? It's an instance of a shitty twist where the game straight up lies to you in order to subvert your expectations.
>>739126990Sometimes... anon, what makes the most sense, just isn't that interesting.
>>739126528dess
>>739127596This is dumb because trying to emulate somebody else is literally half of what Toby does
>>739127516Asriel being Flowey-like is a popular theory at this point.
>>739127478Rudy makes constant allusions to very weird things Kris does in the future (hand washing marathon, take her to the movies), and has VERY strange reactions when you introduce him to Susie late https://youtu.be/LEiR1qRZr24?si=-TzR1q8Q2IKg_iFC
>>739127679I hope it reveals because I can't stand 1 to maybe 3 or more years of this bull shit
>>739126798>many games disregard storyAnd you think Undertale or Deltarune is at all trying to telegraph that Toby Fox wants to go this way? He imagined the ending to a game, that was the crux of everything, he clearly meant the resolution to a game with a story and not just a gameplay climax.>I can get behind the "mood" description of multiple elements all working together, but that's not analysis of story's themes, that's holistic multimedia designThey're one and the same. For your elements to all work in one game and contribute to one mood, they have to have thematic threads tying them together.>Most games are about combat, and thus want the player to feel cool and skilled and powerful.Most games have more specificity to the way they want you to feel than "cool and skilled and powerful". This further specification is where the depth lies.>God-of-the-gaps shit that asserts that there surely must be greater meaning behind it allIt does. Making something with no higher meaning would require you somehow making something that doesn't at all reflect your own mind.>But can't the meaning just be "devs had bills to pay and wanted to make something cool along the way"?Then identifying common themes in what the dev reflexively chose as "cool" stuff to do along the way becomes part of the game's thematic element.You seem stuck on the idea that a game can only have depth worth looking at if a dev put it there on purpose. I don't care if it wasn't "meant" to mean anything, that story event/visual/gameplay element reflects how you think about your game's subject matter, and that's depth.
dess bush
>>739125467If you're a retarded faggot, sure
It's fucking Dess, a lightner that lives can't do this in the dark world
>>739126528i was gonna say the knight but it clearly had big tits look at that chestplate
guy who works for Toby Fox tweeted this
>>739127516Literally everyone in town has nothing but praise and love for AsrielWe're given multiple anecdotes including a handwritten note showing how Asriel is caring and kind and considerateWe have every reason to believe Asriel is a good guy and no reason to think otherwise>>739127532There's a difference between misleading you and actually lyingThe ending of Chapter 2 and a lot of Chapter 3 is misleading you to think Kris is The KnightKris turning out to be actually Asriel in disguise the whole time would be a lying bullshit rugpull
>>739127867What ever the knight is, they can't be normalThey fucking turned in to a bird lmao
>>739127679Just one problem:If it IS Dess, who is lost in the code trying to reach out to (You)?
>>739127752I've pushing jaded Asriel for a while but people don't like discussing it.
>>739126528Toriel is a big victim of this. So much fan art makes her skinny with ginormous boobs and a generic "come to mommy, ara ara~" personality. A completely different character, really. Either love her for her fridge-shaped mom bod and her silly snail jokes or GET OUT
>>739127774The handwashing marathon bit isn't predicting anything. If you don't interact with the sink until chapter 4, he says the exact same thing word for word.
>>739127908Yet again, it's just Toriel cheering her past. He got completely broken by Dess going missing and his family falling apart.
>>739105367really retarded to assume it despite 0 evidence when toby fox fucking loves sprinkling evidence all over the place. it's dess, every piece of evidence fits and she is a character blank slate waiting to become relevant.
>>739127890Sebastian is definitely trolling here.
>>739127867ADD IT TO THE LIST
>>739127718cowcember my belovedhttps://files.catbox.moe/8ze8p4.gif
>>739127923No actually the knight just LOOKED like they turned into a bird, the dark world is all about what you LOOK like in the dark! It's really Noelle in a dark outfit!Ignore that every lightner who went into the dark world got a new outfit over their regular physical lightner form.
>>739125102ironically this is one of the dumbest posts ive ever read regarding ut/dt and i have divined that you are probably the most ignorant poster in these threads
>>739128023>ma-ma-ma-maybe it's the way you're dressed
>>739127857may toby allow the cucking of Kris Dreemurr via (you) to continue
>>739127958I felt like people do like to discuss it.
>>739127908>The ending of Chapter 2 and a lot of Chapter 3 is misleading you to think Kris is The KnightNo. It was leading you to think that Kris was up to something possibly genuinely bad. People who leapt to him being the knight rather than just some part of an antagonistic scheme were committing the same sin as Mikefags: they see a hole and they fill it with the first character that they think might fit and they refuse to look back.
>>739126805do not group me with these other clowns please update this to have a handsome and buff italian man doing and acrobatic fucking pirouette off the top of the pyramid into a pile of money and bitches
>>739127890Bro is just trolling. He's such an unrepentant shithead it's starting to grow on me.
>>739127946for some reason everyone in the holiday family sans Rudy seems to have a strong connection to (you). Noelle can hear your voice, Carol probably orchestrated kidnapping (you), and dess has a hidden collection of (you) shaped objects. even her song has strong connections to the players soul. i say it is possible she's reaching out to the player who else could reach her by this point? i wonder what Toby is trying to do here
Canon Kris boob size at the end of the thread.
>>739127718>>739128085If Dess turns out to be an edgy punk titcow I will forgive kris for all the shit he’s pulled and condemn Asriel for being a faggot if he isn’t involved in trying to save her
>>739128158Spamton G. Spamton? It's a fucking nickname, his family name is Spamtonelli.
>>739127774>hand washing marathonIt's established in Chapter 4 that Kris compulsively washes their hands after they got traumatizedThat's why Toriel dismisses Kris locking themself in the bathroom with the water running as "Kris does this sometimes," and why it was Kris's escape plan to go do some bullshitRudy doesn't make this comment unprompted, he says it if you repeatedly interact with the sink>take her to the moviesKris has not taken Susie to the moviesRudy is suggesting that Kris take Susie to hang out/date at a more normal location than his fucking hospital room, because Rudy is a cool guy looking out for Kris who is like his weird nephew>and has VERY strange reactions when you introduce him to Susie lateThere's nothing strange about it. He's baffled at Kris bringing this random girl he doesn't know to visit him in the hospital because that's fucking weird. He can't play it off like he does in Chapter 2 because he's fucking exhausted after church and Noelle wasn't there to break the ice and introduce them.This only seems strange and suspicious if you're autistic and can't pick up on basic unspoken social cues. Common theme for people talking about Rudy for some reason, I see the same thing with people wildly misinterpreting his conversation with Toriel about Carol at the church.
>>739128343You gotta give it to him for making a monkey out of the obnoxious tranny side of the fandom
>>739128351I believe Dess is legitimately lost, and if she has an alibi, she can't be the Knight, or at least I'll be willing to accept not traditionally, for any reason under the sun since it's not like a separation of soul and body would be unique for Toby.I don't think the knight is Dess, but I DO think Rudy is suspicious.
>>739111619It is Dess with Kris's soul but she still clearly has her own will, just like Asriel did after absorbing Chara's soul in Undertale. Kris wouldn't need to bow and show fealty to himself. That's why in the weird route, we have to break Noelle's will to resist control, so that when (you) eventually hop from Kris to her, she'll go along with whatever we want.
>>739127774reminder that toriel thinks that kris is jerking off in the bathroom. everyone knows about kris' "handwashing" and they think he's just beating his shit in there
>>739128582>being alone with susie for like 5 minutes is enough to send kris into uncontrollable lustunderstandable reaction
>>739128059>it's just TorielIt's not just fucking Toriel. There's at least half a dozen people who tell you what a great guy Asriel is. Play the fucking game dumbass.>>739128291Kris not actually being The Knight doesn't mean the game was not very directly forcing you to consider the possibility.
>>739128386This but for the other two humans.
>>739098953>i don't get why the fans are so vehemently opposed to Kris being a girlBecause trying to turn a boy into a girl is tranny shit. It would also be bad writing. Kris is a stereotypical boy on the dark path of the hero's journey. No girls allowed.
>>739128443The difference is only a day in real world time. Why would introducing someone a day later change how much Rudy wants to interact with Susie THAT much?It's suspicious, legitimately.
>>739128658she literally touched his dickknife and people don't think they're the endgame ship absolute insanity
>>739128291>People who leapt to him being the knight rather than just some part of an antagonistic scheme were committing the same sin as Mikefags:The group that just antagonist but not the Knight didn't exist or were a very small minority.
Reminder that we literally do not have enough information to arrive at any conclusion but we can infer several things strongly;However, Chapter 5 will conclude most story arcs with the roaring, after which it will be all dark world all the timeThe roaring happens in the prophecyEveryone's lives are ruinedBut they get better Gaster is in a similar situation to Dess, who is scattered across time and space in piecesThe shadow crystals are these pieces, Gaster is the bitter water that rained down as comets (ice magic)He is literally evil and everyone pretending otherwise is wrongRalsei is the Darkner of the discarded bouquet that Kris keeps watering and carrying with him Asgore talks to the flowers which is why Ralsei knows thingsThe Shelter is the road to the undergroundHow'd I do?
>>739128687>Why would introducing someone a day later change how much Rudy wants to interact with Susie THAT much?He can't play it off like he does in Chapter 2 because he's fucking exhausted after church and Noelle wasn't there to break the ice and introduce them.Pay attention.
>>739128660All are also thinking about the past and not the guy who is out of town for a while>very directly forcing you to consider the possibilitybut agreed
>>739128804Dess is the knight, gaster is a meme, the roaring will be in chapter 7, and you have the narrative instincts of a slug.
>>739128551Yeah, I believe the same except we aren't going to possess Noelle and the Dess Kris is inside is not just regular Dess Holiday.
>>739126528The day Toby features an actual titcow is the day this fanbase explodes
>>739128846You notice none of that is concrete. If I were playing AA I'd submit Rudy's profile on this shit, it has to be someone in Hometown unless Toby wants to pull out a new character for haha lolsies made u think but that'd be insulting IMO
>>739128660>the game was not very directly forcing you to consider the possibility.It was not.It was forcing you to consider the possibility that Kris is an outright antagonist that we simply haven't been keeping a close enough eye on. You were assuming that meant the Knight back in the day because you thought the Knight was the main antagonist of the whole game and thus Kris was the main candidate.
>>739128871I'm going to remember you and add this post to my fan game when I'm right. The reason Gerson's book stops at chapter 5 is because it's obviously when the roaring happens.It's going to be roaring laughter, by the way.
>>739128804I only agree until the Gaster is in a similar situation to Dess part.
>>739128931Catty, QC.
>>739128931you were saying?
>>739129097fatties don’t count and QC is too based for this fanbase
>>739128736And this was because of fandom bandwagoning leading people to actively refuse to consider crucial evidence, just like Mikefagging.
>>739128871>narrative instincts of a slugi laughed very hard at this, this is some shit liquid snake would say
>>739128928It is some kind of darkner monster based on Dess or transformed from her, yeah. Not exactly the normal girl. That's why she even needed a soul to begin with>except we aren't going to possess Noelle It's the obvious narrative conclusion to the weird route.
>>739129097>>739129137Couldn't remember who, but someone once said something along the lines of "saying you have big boobs because you're fat is like saying you have a fast car because it's falling off a cliff."
>>739125235It's good to spite trannies though.
>>739127679>chapter 5 will have the knight revealagreed and i think the knight will end up joining the party
>>739128804>Ralsei is the Darkner of the discarded bouquet that Kris keeps watering and carrying with himHow is this possible when Kris doesn't get the bouquet until after chapter 1?
>>739128871>Dess is the knightOne out of four right is something at least.
>>739129036The big confrontation with Tenna is literally a "Liar Revealed" setup with Tenna singling out Kris and the camera panning over to just them while Tenna gives his big backstory and ends with "THE KNIGHT APPEARED" showing the evil smiling TV when Kris made the fountainI have never once been a KrisKnightfag but pretending that there's not even a hint of tension in Chapter 3 about why Kris made the fountain is delusional revisionist bullshit
>>739129308Yeah, that's what think so, too. However I don't think possessing Noelle is the endgame, otherwise it would've been in Mantle.
What if during the weird route what if instead of getting stronger the exp just made Noelle’s tits bigger and that change persisted in the light world fahaha
>>739127946>who is lost in the code trying to reach out to (You)also the knight, darkness lets you write into the code. writing code is also how dark worlds are created, look at the runes that show up above people when they make dark worlds, they're writing code and injecting it into the game.
>>739129195Kris had an embarrassing amount of evidence against him. Dess had none besides thematic Asriel parallels.And "Mike is someone who exists" is that wild of a expectation?
>>739129423It's either that or Ralsei is Asgore himself.
>>739128871You will always be the most retarded poster in these threads.
>>739129495Beware, they might call you a Mikefag despite the fact you aren't me.
>>739129370by that logic MaleKris would be a more based twist because it would piss off troons AND yuritards
>>739129528to add to this darkness might actually just be codedarkness = codedetermination = memory/ram
Now is a good time to remind everybody that Spamton's words are sometimes hijacked by a filter.[Mike] may not be "Mike" at all, and Spamton may have telephone'd himself into thinking Mike exists.
>>739129598I could never be as dumb as a gaster poster. You literal teenager
>>739129195No, it was just because the Knight having an accomplice had no real evidence.
>>739129593I don't see why those should be the only two option.
>>739129662>* Then where'd the idea of Mike come from in the first place?
>>739129370Trannies love to turn boys into girls
>>739129626I wouldn't mind that, I mainly headcanon Kris as male
>>739129728>I DON'T KNOW>But it sounded like it was for you.
>>739129495>The big confrontation with Tenna is literally a "Liar Revealed" setupBecause Susie and Ralsei still don't know that Kris made this dark world and would be upset if they did.>the camera panning over to just them while Tenna gives his big backstory and ends with "THE KNIGHT APPEARED" showing the evil smiling TV when Kris made the fountainCongratulations, you've noticed the actual first connection between Kris and the Knight the game tries to lay out. Now why would that connection be given to you moments before the knight appears and you get to see Kris play traitor?
>>739129743You should come out of the closet and admit you're gay for male Chara already, schizo-kun.
>>739129728MIKE is FRIENDit's obvious!
>>739129846Project harder, tranny
>>739129987Nerve stricken>>739129675>>739129743>one minute apartAre you the fucking Gaster denier?
>>739129662reminder that mike is short for microphone aka cell phone and we still don't know what kris' phone looks like in the dark world
>>739129824You don't have to pretend you were the smartest boy who knew what was going to happen all along, anonThis is an anonymous imageboard, you don't have a reputation to build, this thread is going to be wiped clean and forgotten in ten minutes no matter what you post
>>739129824Why are you obsessed with defending every little shitty decision Toby takes with the story?
>>739130054It looks the same weirdly enough.
>>739130054>microphone aka cell phoneI get what you're trying to say but I can't help but feel you could have phrased this thought better.
>>739130081This. This guy for example was an Alvin Knighter who pretends he never believed on it. You can just ignore your failings.
>>739130109is there an actual sprite for it or a line that says it looks the same? i tried to find a pic of it in the dark world but couldnt
>>739129662>[Mike] may not be "Mike" at all, and Spamton may have telephone'd himself into thinking Mike exists.I fucked this up badI meant to say that Tenna may have telephoned himself into thinking Mike exists from Spamton
>>739130052Anyone over the age of 16 is a "gaster denier"
>>739130148im not trying to phrase things to be more digestible im just shitting out schizo ideas as god intended
>>739130054>mike is short for microphone aka cell phone
Mike is literally a talk show host jokeit's a reference to big TV guys talking to their producer off screenthat's itthe big spooky real life microphone at the end? it's just a microphoneyou're itty bitty as a DarknerlooklookEveryoneYou need to understand that good fiction does not explain everything, because everything does not need to be explainedyou can't look at stories like wiki articlesstories will not fill in every gap and satisfy your imagination because your imagination will always give you the thing you want more at the root of this is the solipsistic position, the god craving, the urge to be all and end all, and it isn't good for you you'd understand this if you paid attention to deltaruneyou as an individual only have your best guesses and some questions will not and should not be answeredMike is one of them when you try to explain everything you get Star wars and it sucks
broke>the knight is kris's soul in dess's body (or what's left of it)WOKE>the knight is dess's soul in the discarded vessel, merged with the soul originally meant for the player (monsters get absurdly strong with absorbing a human soul)
>>739130232Oh my God you actually are lmao. You both hate the existence of Frisk and especially Chara, spergs out when Kris isn't a boy, spergs out over pixiv and thinks everything is from there, samefags and falseflags AND is a Gaster denier. Lmao
>>739130279you gotta understand that when writing a story coming up with retarded wordplay like this is basically akin to busting a fat nut in terms of satisfaction
>>739130202Mike is just a joke about an unseen backstage guy the TV show host keeps mentioning that for some fucking reason Toby decided to turn into a dunk against fans who bothered theorizing about what was his deal.
>>739130185No, but Kris seems to use it the same way.
Dessknight is both the least interesting and the least logical theory.
>>739130081I am not pretending. I am reveling in the vindication of having been right and informing people that the hints were there the whole time and this wasn't a fucking retcon or rugpull. Kris was not the knight because the knight is a specific role we were introduced to in chapter fucking one and Kris was already given an alibi for being the knight all the way back then in the form of NOBODY IN CARD KINGDOM RECOGNIZING HIM. You retards who kept seeing the "is Kris an antagonist?" hints and saying "KRIS DA KNIGHT! KRIS DA KNIGHT!" while refusing to consider every other way the story could make Kris an antagonist without making him literally the Knight were sabotaging your own ability to predict things.
>>739129846I would fuck the shit out of murderboy not gonna liedamn brat... betraying the human race...
>>739130232>it's called another him because uh uh uh it just is, okay?!
>>739130232oh no no no
>>739130467do not engage with gaster downplay we are so far beyond this
>>739130465I only like female Frisk and Chara but I respect male Charafags that actually like them unlike the schizo.
>>739130467>>739130571It's gay ARG bait for teenagers. It will not be story relevant just like it wasn't in UT>>739130365What?
Btw Gasterfags will be saying this shit all the way up until the final chapter. They will never admit that he's an offscreen easter egg side character. They will never shut the fuck up about the intro screen in ch1.
>>739128670>posts flat humansbruh
>>739130682>>739130697
>>739130609>gaster fag uses tumblrtranny speechlol
>>739130714They're canonically flat, yes
>>739130682>gaster wasn't story relevant to UTAnon gaster erasing himself is why Alphys is saddled with unethical experiments she would never start herself. Because the amalgams were the fault of "the royal scientist" and she was retconned into the role by his actions.
>Btw Gmanfags will be saying this shit all the way up until the final chapter. They will never admit that he's an offscreen easter egg side character. They will never shut the fuck up about him being in the tram ride.
>>739130697They still fail to grasp that the intro was just to emphasize the antagonistic relationship between player and player character that the game was written to explore
gaster is real
>>739130459Dess Knight logic>The Knight has antlers and a baseball bat>The Knight is probably the character with antlers and a baseball bat
>>739130682(You), the anti-human schizo, are a Gaster denier
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>>739130785The experiment was her idea dipshit. That's why she fucking kills herself
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>>739130873You have schizophrenia
>>739130775imagining them taking monster cock is so fucking hot
>>739130860No. The determination experiments were gaster. Alphys is a roboticist.
>>739130812>Vessel RAPED me
