Would you rather replay Final Fantasy VII OG or Remake?
>>739100171i find replaying most final fantasy games before 10 to be a slog at best
OG. Remake does nothing for me. It's not that good and there's no nostalgia
>>739100171both, but the OG played first and the remakes immediately after
>>739100171OG. i have never thought for even a picosecond about buying squeenix rehash trash.
>>739100171bought rebirth after finishing remake and it ran like shit on my laptop so i refunded
>>739100171i love the field models
both
>>739100171OG>Integrade>>>>Rebirthpeople are still underestimating how bad Ubi towers are.
What is OG?
Rather replay xenogears desu
>>739100171OG, considering it's the full game, and not Midgar pointlessly padded out to 20+ hours of anti-soul.
>>739100171Og with graphic mod
>>739102357Forgot pic, this one
>>739102490Looks ugly as shit desu
>>739100171Remake is an absolute SLOGI also really don't like the combat even though I somewhat mastered it, it still just feels like shitTrying to mesh action games and turned based rpg party mechanics just doesn't fucking work
>>739102490What mod is this?
I hadn't even played the original and i could already tell just by playing the remaster that it was all filler/fanservice and 20% actual story progression. The remasters definitely are deserving of their lack of financial success because, again, i haven't even played the originals, and i could already tell that the pacing is completely butchered.
>>739102652turn on your monitor
>>739100171I'd rather play New Threat 1.5Genuinely, I can't go back to the vanilla game anymore.
>>739102719Ninostyle battle models. I also highly recommend the Chibi Ninostyle field models instead of the regular Ninostyle field models.
>>739100171the original still does some interesting things. you play as actual terrorists, the MC is an unreliable narrator schizo, how the lifestream being dead people energy acts similarly to oil being dead animal energy and similarly damages the planet is very coolthe remake is frankly slop about time travel / dimensions and a fart-sniffing meta narrative about the devs and OG game. it has lost the original intention except for cloud being a schizo so make everything even more confusing
>>739102862*turns on monitor*Yea still looks like shit.
>>739102490mod name?
>>739100171The remakes are just more fun to play tbqh. It’s not that the original was ever that difficult or engaging to begin with. The remakes have their issues but basic gameplay is not one of them.I don’t dislike what they are trying to do with the story, but I kind of wish we had the story of the original, warts and all, with the gameplay of the remakes.
>>739100171I'd rather play anything else than Reddit Fantasy 7
>>739104328The gameplay is shit
OGall the shit they did with sephiroth is so fucking stupid it's baffling original>mysterious>you don't see him until the flashback>built up for such a long fucking time>he was just some weirdo combat genius who didn't really care about cloud until he got his shit stomped by himremake>literally the one winged angel motif in the fucking intro opening >black feathers everywhere>can NOT stop showing up>can NOT stop being gay for cloud>can NOT stop fucking talking>gets defeated before the party leaves midgar>stupid fucking fakeout kill aerith he missed oH NOOO HE DIDN'T MISS AFTER ALL LOL! time to be mysterious and glitch around! What the fuck were they thinking
>>739102490looks fantastic, thanks for sharing
>>739100171I don't even dislike the remake thus far but it's so fucking bloated with worthless side content that just kills the pacing that the thought of replaying it ever at any point makes me physically nauseous.
genuinely cannot stand people pretending the remakes are interesting at all>oh bro it's a sequel it's actually really subtle it's about um it's about defying fate it's a metanarrative and now they can do whatever they want with the story of ff7!>just ignore that they're doing the same story but worse anyway...
I never played the original. Is there any version/mod to speed the game up like for other entries like 12 and 9? I don't have the patience anymore for grinding at a normal pace (let alone the time).
>>739105031How the fuck can people sit through the bloated slogfest that is Remake or Rebirth no problem and then have the audacity to ask for a speed up button in a complete video game that takes less time than either of the remakes to get through even if you do optional stuff.
>>739100171OG's pacing is way better and it's way more replayable. No idea what they were thinking with remake.
>>739104703Your retarded opinion is shit and you wouldn’t know quality gameplay if it cockslapped you in the face after fucking your mother in the ass, so what gives anon?, just go be an annoying mongoloid elsewhere.
>>739105114Did I fucking say I played the remake? Either contribute to the conversation by answering my question and stop being a raging homo, or take a hike and leave.
>>739100171if i cant 10x the speed of combat and cheat through it im picking remake
I've finished FF7 multiple times over the years, but definitely still the original over the remake.I wonder what a world would look like where they decided to remake the game faithfully instead of just calling it a remake.
>>739100171I would rather you be quiet.
>>739105208>Topic is whether you'd rather replay OG FF7 or the remake>Omit any mention of the remake opting to discuss only the original>Natural conclusion is that you (like many others) have only played the remake and wanna know how to get into the originalNot that difficult buddy.
>>739105031you dont have to grind in ff7.
>>739100171OG. More content and better story. Also R ones are kinda sequels in stupidest format ever and what they did to Dyne in Rebirth was fucking unacceptable and exact reason why I hate Square these days.
>>739105271The natural conclusion is that I asked a simple question, there's no need to double down on the faggotry.
>>739100171Both.Both is good.
>>739104812Plus in the original it's just just the mystery element, but because of the lore implications of Jenova cells it's debating how much freedom, control, or impact, Sephiroth ever has.
>>739105413Okay. Never using my phone to post here ever again. What's the point of predictive text if it makes you sound like an Indian?
>>739105438its a feature.
>>739100171I hate how they turned into a hack n slash actionslop.So the original. I love TB combat btw.
>>739100171what did she mean by this?
>>739100171OG because its a complete game and i dont want to play unfinished kingdom hearts nomura sloppa
>>739104812>>literally the one winged angel motif in the fucking intro opening>>black feathers everywhere>>can NOT stop showing up>>can NOT stop being gay for cloud>>can NOT stop fucking talking>>gets defeated before the party leaves midgar>>stupid fucking fakeout kill aerith he missed oH NOOO HE DIDN'T MISS AFTER ALL LOL! time to be mysterious and glitch around!Ive always wondered what a new player must think about sephiroth when playing remake for the first time. To them it must be like some annoying mysterious person being shoved in their faces every 15 minutes and must be very confusing and obnoxious.
>>739100171Modded OGGoodbye ATB, hello turn BASED
>>739100171I just finished ff7 og for the first time ever last month I dont think I'd replay that so soon.Im not going to play the remakes until all 3 of the games come out.
>>739106451I got the remakes on sale. Games are too big to play back-to-back. I'd get bored of the gameplay. Gotta at least have a month break between each game.
>>739103953this >>739103217
>>739100171OG since It's a complete game and just better. I like the remakes but they have some pretty massive problems. I think just removing the time janny ghosts and all that extra plot shit would make the game a lot better. Going from the 10/10 bike section in remake to the dog shit time ghost tornado talking about fate fighting against a kingdom hearts heartless boss while redoing scenes from advent children was really fucking lame. Time jannies doing shit like saving Barret is just gay.Sephiroth feels like Majima everywhere.I hate the stupid mini games.Chadly is unbearably annoying.Ubisoft towers.Censored tons of shit like the blood trails and Tifa's outfit and tits while filling the planet with blacks.Improvements made to the combat system in rebirth not being back ported into remake is fucking retarded, especially when the same thing is going to happen again whenever the next one comes out.The main cast don't fit into the world at all, everyone else looks like normal people while they're just anime characters.Referencing dog shit spin off media or characters no one fucking cares about like Glenn or Deepground.
Neither
>>739101584showing jessie and saying og had more soul kekremake has a lot of stuff with more soul than og
>>739100171I've never played the original and I'd like to play it first.
>>739100171I want to play final fantasy 7's original story but with remake's graphics and gameplay
I don't even like calling the real FF7 "OG" because that implies that it and FF7R are in any way the same game when they're not. There's the real FF7 and the fake FF7 and that's it. It'd be one thing if it was just the gameplay that's different, but the stories and the intents behind them are so disparate, they make my head spin.
>>739107625i help you to understand it because some haters still dont get any of the hints the game gave us.a lot of people will look like morons after part 3.Instead of searching for any grass that isnt 1:1 maybe focus more on what the game is telling you. Kazushige Nojima extensively researched specific psychological and philosophical concepts regarding consciousness and the unconscious to build the narrative structure for the Final Fantasy VII Remake.Nojima heavily researched Carl Jung's Collective Unconscious. This psychology theory states that humans share inherited, unconscious memories, instincts, and universal symbols (archetypes).Nojima treated the planet's Lifestream as a literal, physical manifestation of this collective unconscious. The multiple, shifting worlds seen in Rebirth are not alternate physical timelines or sci-fi time travel; they are psychic projections born from the unfulfilled desires, fears, and memories of souls resting within the collective unconscious of the Lifestream.Alongside Jung, Nojima studied Yogācāra, a Buddhist philosophy centering on "Storehouse Consciousness. This philosophy teaches that the external reality we perceive does not truly exist; it is entirely constructed by our internal consciousness.Nojima used this to structure Cloud's fractured mental state. Because Cloud's mind is heavily poisoned by Mako and Jenova, his perception alters reality. The "other worlds" in the remake project function like temporary meditative bubbles or dreams within a massive cosmic consciousness.
>>739107625I keep posting this exchange from FF7 because it perfectly shows how different the approaches are at the most fundamental and basic level.>Tifa>I wonder what Aeris felt... when she was on that altar...?>Cloud>I'm sure she wanted to give her life for the planet...>Tifa>Really? I wonder? I don't think that's it at all.>I think she didn't think she would die at all, but that she planned on coming back all along.>She always used to talk about the 'Next time'.>She talked about the future more than any of us...>Although she never talked about it to us she must've had a rough life...>I think Aeris looked forward to tomorrow and the future more than anyone...>...she must've had many many dreams......
>>739107798The virgin:>Carl Jung's Collective Unconscious>Alongside Jung, Nojima studied Yogācāra, a Buddhist philosophy centering on "Storehouse Consciousness.">>739107807The chad:>when people leave your life it's sad
>>739100171Obviously OG, maybe with some mods to spice things up. I'll try remake when it's actually finished.
>>739107798These fags are college dropouts with armchair knowledge about these subjects.All they do in these games is their own twist on vagueposting.
>>739107798Cloud>...Shut up.>The cycle of nature and your stupid plan don't mean a thing.>Aeris is gone.>Aeris will no longer talk, no longer laugh, cry...... or get angry......>What about us...... what are WE supposed to do?>What about my pain?>My fingers are tingling.>My mouth is dry.>My eyes are burning!
>>739107916>>739107984>>739108040
>>739108110Vagueposting at its finest.Btw this Nojima fellow is a complete imbecile. Most shit people blame Nomura or Kitase are actually his doing. Check out his Final Fantasy work history.
>>739108110Still doesn't matter. All window dressing. The actual point, as it is presented in the story and as the characters experience it is "when people die they're gone from your life and that is sad."You can talk about this, about the Lifestream's eternal wheel of souls in all life, but that doesn't matter. >Barret>And Aeris... she's dead.>Guess she turned into spiritual energy and returned to the planet, huh?>But even if she did, there's no way we'll meet her again...
>>739108191NTAI find you uninteresting.
>>739108254Sakaguchi's mom died in a fire late 80s and he's been coping with it putting it into FF games from 3 through 7.They even had him tone it down here and there.Party members dying all the time in 4. Some return but Tellah definitely is gone.Galuf dies in 5.Celes suicide, Cid death in 6 and maybe other shit I can't remember. The whole world "dies" to a nihilistic clown and people have to find reason to move on.Earisu in 7.By FF9 he had a little daughter literally also named Eiko and moved on from coping about who died and enjoying reasons to live. Then he got fired from Square.No need to namedrop a crapton of ancillary literature to explain all of this.
>>739107798I have no idea what the fuck you're going on about because I never played Rebirth. Why would I even look at it when "Remake" already ruined everything? And now you're telling me there's other worlds and shit? Thanks for confirming my decision to not play this crap.
>>739108403I knew this was coming the moment they announced that remake.There was no fucking chance in hell they'd remake the story without trying to retcon every plot thread that could lead to the expanded universe.Like it or not (for me it's 99% trash), the most rabid fans who actually buy FF7 media and products probably enjoy them.
>>739108372I know, and this is my point to an extent.>No need to namedrop a crapton of ancillary literature to explain all of this.The game itself even shows you this. Bugenhagen does his long spiel about this, about how when people die they're reborn through the lifestream as birds and trees. And it's all fine.Then a young woman, loved by her friends and those who know her, is cruelly murdered. And none of that shit about rebirth matters.
>>739108403haha dude, so you didnt even get the story of og....
>>739108501The issue is, like >>739108372 mentioned, at its core FF7 is too human and genuine for modern audiences who want "lore" and "theory crafting" and "discussion."
>>739107625Based and factual
>>739102490>Not translated Into the trash
Squaresoft > Enix > literal dogshit > Square EnixSimple as
>original cloud is a pathetic fraud loser trying desperately to live up to his lies>new cloud is a gary stu with headaches >old aeris is a scared lonely girl with strange powers she doesn't fully understand trying to save anyone she can>new aeris is 5d chess perfect waifu goddess>old Seph was a raving lunatic murder hobo mindbroken by a malevolent alien >new Seph is 5d chess perfect level headed mastermind
>>739108795Something tells me nu-SE got the portrayal from these characters from all the fanfic and fanshit their AI got fed over the years.Just look at how Sephiroth is shown in almost every media since 7. The bishonen mastermind who teases Cloud all the time, almost 1:1 to his remake self.We barely get to know how Sephiroth was before chimping out and if he really got crazy or it was part of him all along and now he has an excuse to go batshit. There's probably a ton of extra novels and mobile games explaining this but I'm strictly talking about the OG script.It's not that Square changed these characters, to me it feels like they made them more in line with how the subconscious culture thinks about FF7 and it clashes with the handful of old faggots who still cling to the original tone.
>>739108929I'm oldfag enough to remember arguing on forums that actually Sephiroth was never "in control" and was just as much a victim of Jenova as everyone else.>"I'm going to see my mother."In other words, Reunion.The entire idea of "Jenova is subservient to Sephiroth" really hinges on two different takes.1) "Sephy" is just so gigachad that he overpowers Jenova in a way that literally no other living creature can, or 2) Jenova is more a mother bear protecting "her" offspring, which STILL puts "her" in the active position because then "Sephiroth" as he was beforehand is basically dead and is now just an extension of whatever the fuck Jenova is
>>739109169Sephiroth being overtaken by Jenova is a reasonable take from what we see in FFVII.But even back then I think some Ultimania "word of god" thingie had to confirm that Sephiroth was ultimately the one in control, despite all his motivation being just Jenova's will.
>>739107798>Average remake enjoyed is a low iq brainletI knew it
>>739109260>Sephiroth was ultimately the one in control, despite all his motivation being just Jenova's will.That's sort of the point, isn't it? If "Sephiroth's will" is just to do what the Jenova lifecycle is (can Jenova even be said to have a "will" as we know whatever-the-fuck-it-is from the original to be?), then what's the actual difference? If his grand plan is just to do the Jenova lifecycle then you can't fit a sheet of paper between the two in any way that matters.So even if you do grant that Sephiroth is in total control what does that even mean in this context?
I never got why Sephiroth would be controlled by Jenova 100%. Why would Jenova start talking and acting like a human dude?
>>739109453In a sense yes.What people discussed a lot over the years is in a doylean perspective: was Sephiroth 100% "dominated" by Jenova or was he psychically in control despite aligning his objectives with hers?Regardless of that answer, during FF7 events he's trying to fuck up the planet, become a God and move on (presumably to parasitize other planets?)So even if he's "in control", he became Jenova 2.0 because of her influence and going insane. It's like one of those theories that humans actually are used by rye since rye seeds and plants actually evolved to fool humans and ultimately ended up being planted instead of being treated as chaff.
>>739109612They're an allium. They act allium.
>>739109719People always referred to that as a glitch but everything about it looks like an intentional easter egg.
>>739100171Storywise? OG because it's finished.Combatwise I do prefer Remake.When the games are sold as a complete trilogy, who knows.
I wouldn't touch Ubi Fantasy with a poop stick
>>739109612>Why would Jenova start talking and acting like a human dude?Play the fucking game (the original). Ifalna mentions this.>>739109653Exactly my point. Either way it's not a case of Sephiroth as we know him before Cloud kills him in the reactor being "in control" in the sense of how people usually paint it.It's like if we assume Sephiroth wins and the Planet we see in the game is destroyed and he does move on in the way the Jenova organism does, and he then does what Jenova does on the next planet, isn't he just "the new Jenova" rather than "Sephiroth" as in the guy in this picture?
>>739109751It's only the Pal version that has an unfinished version of it
>>739108403But nothing has changed amirite? I see people trying to sell me that bullshit lie.
I DID replay the OG after the "remakes" failed to scratch the itch.
>>739100171They better go all I'm in changing part 3 so the changes amount to something.
>>739106998Kill yourself you retarded subhuman
>>739104812>>he was just some weirdo combat genius who didn't really care about cloudI'm really mad they ruined this about him.
the remakes gameplay is more boring than jrpg turn based shit. let that sink in.
>>739108795>new cloud is a gary stu with headachesNo way fag, he’s still a pathetic fraud loser.>>739109169Let me make an argument, Sephiroth is the largest chunk of Jenova other than the physical manifestation of the real thing. In a way he’s the most similar thing to Jenova herself. Traditionally we’ve considered that this means Jenova has great influence over him, but it could also be that the only thing that can resist Jenova’s will is a chunk of Jenova herself large enough to exert its own will and perhaps even influence the will of the whole. In other words, Sephiroth could be acting as THE or A core or neuralgic center of Jenova. Now, Sephiroth is still Jenova and so whatever his will may be, whatever the logic he spouts, he still serves the whole and so that will just so happens to always benefit and further the goals of Jenova. That’s why Steph and Jenny are always 99.9% in lockstep but Sephiroth still has his own designs even if all he can do is pretend to call the shots.
>>739109893He continues the family business.
>>739110097What I find weird is how some deny that he is influenced by Jenova like he does influence Cloud and other ones with her cells.Dude goes from nonchalant truecel to a murderhobo just because he finds out that weird ayy lmao has the same name as his mother and he's probably a "monster" like the others in the reactor, despite looking handsome on the outside compared to them.One interesting detail the OG never touched upon is why the hell would Shinra high-ups send him to fucking Nibelheim of all places. Maybe Hojo used his influence to send him there and had the domino effect happen. By then he already knew Jenova was not a Cetra (Gast VHS tapes are a hint).
>>739109169>Jenova is more a mother bear protecting "her" offspring, which STILL puts "her" in the active position because then "Sephiroth" as he was beforehand is basically dead and is now just an extension of whatever the fuck Jenova isIn nature, certain species of trees will put all their energy into producing a great number of seeds if they detect they are dying. Reproduction is in itself a survival strategy and it might just be that Jenova sees the writing on the wall for its current incarnation and decided to prioritize Sephiroth as the closest thing to herself that exists.
>>739100171Wonder why they didn't do a 1:1. The reason they gave is that the resulting game would be too big, but who knows.I've been following the story of the remakes and I want part 3 to be satisfying, so I wonder how they'll make the changes feel relevant. I don't mind if they change the story atp
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>>739110471The resulting game might be too big. Doing something like the world map navigation they had in SNES/PS1 is still long gone: just look at the hallway controversies FF10 and 13 sparked.12 had huge interconnected maps but in Ivalices geography they were barely sections of a handful of nations.They somehow managed to pull it partially with Rebirth after you get the Tiny Bronco.But in the end we end up with a game too big to be remade 1:1 but also too small to be split intro three and ends up with a lot of paradoxical filler. A The Hobbit movies situation.
>>739110097>>739110337>>739110174This is always the way I saw it.What a cool thread.
>>739110274Hojo is almost like someone dropped The Joker into John Carpenter's The Thing.
Hamaguchi promised me I would save Aerith.
>>739110274>What I find weird is how some deny that he is influenced by Jenova like he does influence Cloud and other ones with her cells.Way to make the story less interesting for themselves. To me the whole Sephiroth is a puppet thing is way more interesting because then he is just like our hero, a victim, fraud and puppet and none of his own volition. It’s the kind of irony that makes a work better than it was without it. Cloud wanted to be just like Sephiroth and in failing to be who he saw Sephiroth as, he became exactly like he actually was.One interesting detail the OG never touched upon is why the hell would Shinra high-ups send him to fucking Nibelheim of all places. Maybe Hojo used his influence to send him there and had the domino effect happen. By then he already knew Jenova was not a Cetra (Gast VHS tapes are a hint).Someone definitely wanted that shit to happen, Hojo’s mad enough to be behind that shit just like he is behind so much of all the bad shit that happens on the setting. Honestly dude’s so extra evil y wouldn’t even be surprised if he was infected by Jenova early on and has been a acting like a Thing doppelgänger all this time. Would give a reason to his madness.
>>739110756>Way to make the story less interesting for themselves.This is the thing that annoys me. You could go big into cosmic horror and body horror but instead we get time-travel and 5D chess.It's like FF7 exits in the same universe as Dead Space or something.
I think cloud being a shitty shinra grunt who failed to get into soldier so he didn't get jenova experiments and was just pretending to be a bad ass is a lot cooler then him ACTUALLY getting experimented on to become a super human like soldiers but with downside of random head aches after nibelheim is fucking gay.He should of just been a schizo who faked it until he made it.
Neither, they aren't very replayable
>>739110498>people... Posting... Images.... On... An.... Image... Board...?!?!?!? I am literally going insane!!!!!
>>739110965IfalnaI'm all right... When the Cetra... were preparing to part with the land they loved...That's when it appeared!It looked like... our... our dead mothers... and our dead brothers. Showing us spectres of their past.GastWho is the person that appeared at the North Cave? I haven't any idea.IfalnaThat's when the one who injured the Planet... or the 'crisis from the sky', as we call him, came.She buries her face in her hands.He first approached as a friend, deceived them, and finally...... gave them the virus.The Cetra were attacked by the virus and went mad... transforming into monsters.She drops to her knees.Then, just as he had at the Knowlespole.He approached other Cetra clans...... infecting them with... the virus...
>>739110498All he did is post a cute yuffie gif, most of the time not even saying anything. Why is that enough for you to have an autistic mental break down and dig through the archive to point it out like posting a cute gif is a bad thing?
>>739105963I really miss Aeris. We've been knee deep in FF7 remake and Aerith bullshit, that I forgot how lovely the real one was.
>>739100171Remake because I've played the original already.
>>739110337>it might just be that Jenova sees the writing on the wall for its current incarnation and decided to prioritize Sephiroth as the closest thing to herself that exists.Makes sense when you consider the events from its own perspective, all the way back to the Cetra.It was winning, then it was contained to a single organism (the woman we see is NOT Jenova, but an ancient infected with Jenova), then it wakes up again and all its offshoots (Jenova LIFE, etc) are dispatched, all its cells are basically one one lifeform once again: Sephiroth. Only this time Jenova itself is present as well, meaning it can act for the interest of its "offspring".
idk man, they managed to put a schizo protag, body horror, the thing, kaijuu into a single fucking gameall of this was done in a peak anime mannerthere is no fucking way it could simply be replicated but with le better graphicsI wish FF7 had an amazing modern presentation but the price it paid was too high
>>739100171I'm playing OG for the first time.I'm at the temple of the ancients.The wall is fucking me right now
>this thread>sephiroth is basically just operating in the interest of the species of jenova>the thing can have offspring separate to itself>the thing can traverse worlds>the jenova itself could be just one offspring of another jenova>there could be countless jenovas in the universe
FF7 is a JRPG not a horror game.
>>739110498You are the Bot, Bot Faggot.
>>739100171I would rather play OG FF7 7 times than slog through this garbage troonmake walkign sim again.
>>739111439THAT'S THE WALL BROTHERhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=CUJzj4DXHYE
>>739100171I've played both. I could see myself playing the OG again. Can't say the same for Remake. Didn't bother with Rebirth.
>>739100171Remake if only because of the outfit mods
>>739111851That guy two shots my party with that boulder attack
>>739105345You can set battle speed in the options to fast. You can also give all your characters the fury debuff for faster ATB charge as well at the cost of damage.Just play the gaem faget
How is the new threat mod?
One thing I am grateful for is that some bosses can be poisoned
>>739111465Who cares when the 500 years later Red XIII ending made it look like The Planet is safe.
>>739110965going hard into the body horror loss of identity angle is incompatible with the simple rival archetype that people, including se, want to fit the characters and their symbols into. though yeah it's more interesting and more significant that way
>>739107798Look at how hard you have to mindbreak yourself to believe remake has any merit whatsoever.Even IF this horseshit were true, who gives a shit? I'm here to play fun videogames. Who gives a shit how many philosophy books the devs skimmed through if the game is a boring slog? Maybe they should have read Carl Jung's Theory of Not Putting 50 Hours of Bloat in Your Game.
>>739112045It's bad
>>739112045Someone here tries really hard to shill it and I have no idea why. Not only are the fanfic additions either pointless or cringe, but the new battles aren't even interesting or that fun, and have no natural flow to them at allI'd love a FFVII hardmode that still feels like FFVII, but they just went full retard. It's almost like a randomizer, where they just throw anything anywhere.It blows my mind that the shill even goes so far as to recommend the NT mod to people playing FFVII for the FIRST time which is such a shit idea even if you like the mod. You'd swear this faggot was actually getting paid per download, I have no idea why he's like this.
>>739110965>but instead we get time-travel and 5D chess.We’ll see what part 3 brings to the table. Me I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop and for the face Sephy will make when he realizes it was a game of Yahtzee all along.
>>739112635>playing a game for the first time with complete overhauled gameplay/enemiesWho fucking does that?
Hope nomura has fun burning in hell
Remake was fun desu
>>739100171Remake because I played OG too many times so remake would be the fresher experience, I only hate chudley
>>739111465Jenova isn't even "a thing".It's just the designation of a parasite. It's basically a cosmic fungus.
>>739100171OG. replayed it over 10 times already. last one was with the new threat mod and it was a blast
>>739100171OG, I can't even be be bothered to finish rebirth.Without the member berries Remake/rebirth would be niche games no one would care about. Don't stand on their own at all.
>>739100171never played remakeplayed 7 3 times, maybe time again soon
>>739101584>Jessie is only there to die in OG>BUT IT HAS MORE SOULOG purists are literally retarded.
>>739100171>Would you rather replay Final Fantasy VII OG or Remake?I would play the remake if only it existed.
>>739113141good. fuck waifufags. there's at least 3 better ones to choose from anyways
>>739113141>fatty survives only to get killed by the ghosts later Lol, ok
>>739112306>Maybe they should have read Carl Jung's Theory of Not Putting 50 Hours of Bloat in Your Game.
>>739100171I prefer Remake over Rebirth, but both are good and products of their time. Anybody that hates one or the other is a braindead retard in my book.
>>739111279I see Aeris, I feel happy and fuzzy.I see Aerith, I feel either nothing or just mildly horny.I don't see them as the same character.
>>739113235Both suck though
>>739100171Og I'm tired of settling for gen 7/8 trends, and square is incapable of resisting anything properly Jesus, they even managed to fuck up the ffx remaster
>>739113235>I prefer Remake over RebirthI clearly meant Remake over OG. Oops.
>>739100171Remake and Rebirth.I'm a millennial old fag and never liked OG. I played the game in 1997 and was so disappointed after playing Final Fantasy VI. I can still vividly remember rolling my eyes whenever Cloud had another mental breakdown during a flash back or something. I do love the newer SOULFUL games, however, and I can hardly wait for Remake Part 3!
I would've been fine with it if it was a different timeline and everyone survived but its stuck in purgatory where there are changes but it's only the bad shit they thought would improve an already perfect story
>>739100171If I just want to fuck around with the combat, then remake or rebirth. If I want to actually enjoy a game with a story, then the OG.
I finally made myself play OG FF7 so I could play the remakes. The original game is vastly better, no nostalgia needed. It's more fun outright and hits harderI don't see how anyone likes the remakes, they're tedious and lame as shit
>>739100171Played remake, thought it was very goodPlayed og later and couldn't get much past midgar. Mindblowingly boring combat, and inferior characters
>>739114238Anyone who likes the remakes would have been happy with whatever they got. They want more time with the characters, nothing else matters.
>>739113235You are a braindead retard if you can't see how flaccid, tedious and shallow the remake games are. They're basically the best retard detector in gaming
>>739114238SameI forced myself to play the original and ended up having a great time, I dropped remake halfway through some boring sameroom dungeon, waste of $70
>>739111134Someone with a horrible disease also triggers that response, it doesn't have to be some spooky boogeyman. Or blacks if you've never seen one.
ff7- 10/10remake - 6/10rebirth - 9/10og is obviously better for replaying
>>739114308Cry harder, boomer.
I'm just mad at how different Yuffie is to the original.
>>739114616Wow glad that got improved
>>739100171I completely forgot how the optional party members just disappear into the background after their little quest is over, at least Remake gives them a bit more spotlight.
>>739114616If the gameplay of ffvii is so bad how come 99% of the "proof" of it being bad is this single webm?Couldn't you show any clip of the game and it would be bad? Is there a reason it always has to be this 10 seconds, and after Rufus' pet has been already killed?
>>739114616Why are you black?
>>739114762That's what happens when you add 30 extra hours of pointless shit. All the characters get more lines.
>>739114724>turn-nigger copekek
>>739114762The spotlight yuffie gets is horrible though.She is too hyper active and annoying and cares about anything even though she's just there to steal the parties materia at some point
>>739114616Funny thing is you're probably going to lose to Rufus by playing like that in most cases, considering the level you reach him without grinding.Most players spend so much time grinding for carbon bangles or hardedge so he ends up a joke anyway.
>>739114873>Vincent: I cant tell you my story>Yuffie:That's okay. It was probably depressing anyways.I love OG yuffie
>>739100187The PS1 games can drag on mainly due to Square being overly ambitious even to the point where they had to cut content out of their games.
>>739100171>Would you rather replay Final Fantasy VII OG or Remake?As a replay? Remake/rebirth. OG doesnt really offer me anything in a replay. Game is easy and not very fun to play or make self imposed challenges.At least remake/rebirth have room for challenges.
>>739114616>Ignoring having to deal with the dog who constantly adds shields on him
i really disliked the remake after giving it a fair chance and dont really understand why people enjoyed it. i kinda doubt ppl that grew up eith it like it. the faces of characters and npcs all look the same, they added some weird filler and the maps/quests are mmo tier boring. i got more of a ff15 feel than an ff7 feel. nothing about it felt gritty punky ff7. cant stand the whole remake fetishism going on rn in gaming anyways, and ill be super sad when inevitablely ff8 and ff9 get remade the same truly soulless way. japan just really loves to moneygrab and nintendo and square are the biggest offenders with their recycled games policy.
>>739102357>>739102490It's hard to overstate just how big Final Fantasy VI (or Final Fantasy III as I knew it at the time) was on it's release. It was a huge step up from all previous games, and as much as Final Fantasy VII was breathtaking, there was a magic in Final Fantasy VI's 2D art that it couldn't quite carry over. I even prefer FFVIII just for unifying overworld models and battle models together instead of doing what pic related did.
>>739100171OG with mods, and functionality to speed up battles so I can grind faster
>>739114616>Cry harder, boomer.Just imagine how hard they will cry when Final Fantasy XVII is revealed and has an evolved version of the Remake combat system. loooool ^^
>>739114616I'm a zoomer who just played ff7The original is more fun without a doubt unless you just like seeing modern graphics THAT much
>>739115583>there was a magic in Final Fantasy VI's 2D art that it couldn't quite carry over7 was better all around and had as much or more soul than 66 fags are the most delusional fanbase in gaming
>>739115887FF12 was boring and so is ff7 remake
Remake felt boring to me and it's multiple parts instead of the whole game.
>>739116002It's just FF7's 3d graphic aged like milk while FF6 still looks great even nowadays
>>739116064FFVII battle graphics are still kinda nice. They had to cut a lot of corners and put a different resolution and fps compared to menus and the main game but it worked well in the end.
>>739115887They should've done that for FF16.I still prefer turn-based but if FF is going that route they should've commited to the KH/FF7R style and not a watered down DMC for fucks sake.
>>739116206every webm I see of 7r combat is an ugly mess and you can't even see what's happening
>>739116303Yeah it happens when you dont play a videogame and they show
>>739116389Want to try that post again, sport? Try calm down before typing. I know it's hard when you see posts that make you mad, but breathe.
>>739116303I was talking about the og FF7 battle scenes. They aged much better than the lego stuff.As for 7R, it eventually clicks. You know when to dodge and when to defend, while building up ATB. The game got much better once I got to hard mode and I started getting severely punished for button mashing.On the other hand you need to fucking finish the game so you can replay it on Hard. Also limiting total item usage in Hard is too retarded, they should limit severely the use of ethers and potions instead.Then move the ultra hard challenge no items final destination only setting to a NG+ option.
>>739116440I'm gonna assume you are 80 IQ and you can't infer the rest, but the entire post was>Yeah it happens when you dont play a videogame and they show you a webm of it
>>739116502I guess you were so worked up you just had to hit that enter button as fast as you could.I'd like to ask you a question about 7R now, but I need to know you're calm first. Because it might cause you to lose it, if you're not centred first.
Can you see Tifas panties with that mod?
They made a sequel instead of a remake. It sucks and I'm disappointed, but at least I hope I get to save Aerith.
>>739116675It seems the prospect of the question scared him off. Or he was unable to calm himself down enough to hear it.
>>739117447>but at least I hope I get to save Aerith.the entire point of it is to let her go
>>739117730>let her go>btw buy our three new ff7 games>and play the gacha>and read the side novels>and the cc remaster>and buy the mtg cards>and we have lots more planned stay tunedHmmm I don't think SE want us to let go, actually. In fact I think they're desperate for us to not let go.
>>739114857lol zoomer mad & BTFO, literally 0 arguments, only tears and butthurt ad hominems
>>739111465Jenova might work like real life slime mold, in that it could divide into many small pieces all around the universe and when two meet they just merge, sharing not only mass and nutrients / energy but also the memories of things they encountered. Kind of like 40K Tyranids or the aliens from Gunbuster. This would help Jenova remain as one entity even if it’s divided into many chunks and help it strategize how to take over a world that might have previously resisted it.>>739112235If there are many out there, Jenova might come back any time from anywhere god knows how many times. Statistically, the planet is fucked sideways.
>>739117982>the memories of things they encounteredReminds me of that worm that, after it solved a maze, they ground it up and fed it to other worms, who were then able to solve the maze.
>>739112906Played Rebirth?A lot of Chadley in that game, but later on they do something that is interesting (to me) with him.Still, a setting to turn him the fuck off is badly needed.
>>739117730The point of defying fate and centering the marketing around "the world will be saves but will you" and giving her a love song saying "find me and never let me go" is to let her go?
>>739110649Who’s more insane? Kefka or Hojo?
>>739118226The point of defying fate is to change the outcome but let Aerith go because the story isnt about her, but the world. She has to dissimilate into the lifestream, no longer tethered to Sephiroth still being alive or as a "lifestream ghost".
>>739118312And now she's around cloud 24/7
>>739118404yeah thats why that has to be dealt with in part 3
>>739118312>the world will be saved, but will you?>find me and never let me goWhere are you getting that's the conclusion? Your ass? Please don't say a YouTube video.
>>739100171OG all the way.
>>739118494Keep wishing for Aerith revival, anon. The epiphany will just be sweeter later. im also gonna cry at that scene where Aerith thanks cloud for everything and finally dissimilates into the lifestream forever
The real conclusion is we will save Aerith and marry her, but then she will die during childbirth to prove you can delay fate but not change it. And now we have a kid for the sequel and Cloud gets to be depressed to keep the status quo.
>>739118595You will cry harder when she's saved and your expectations are subverted.
>>739114857>>turn-niggerironic since you're the one with a literal subhuman attention span
>>739118637That would just be misery for misery sake, so no.
>>739118637>Steins;Gate FFVII edition
>>739111031
>>739118637Now I am subverted
Remakes?
>>739118946what is there of mystic quest to remake? i dont remember something unique about it
>>739114616This was the fight that made the whole remake worth it for me. Just how it was transformed from one of the most forgettable moments in the game to one of the most amazing, memorable bosses of the game. I liked it so much it made start giving a shit about Rufus as a character. The game has issues but in moments like that it’s 10/10 cinema.
>>739115887>remake, rebirth and 16 lose money>company kept afloat by 14 and pixel remastersThere won't be a 17 for at least 6 years, if at all.
>>739117894>you press buttons in Remake>see, it sucksNice try, turnfag.
>>739119243How did your obsession with hating turn based games and anyone who plays them begin?
>>739116482I’m ok with it being locked to NG+ the difficulty curve would be crazy otherwise.
>>739119435Anything about 7R you're not a fan of?
>>739118310Depends who’s feeling more like doing a funny that day tbqh.
>>739118310Kefka is crazy because nothing mattersHojo is crazy with a purpose, so i would say hojo
>>739119637The crafting.It insists upon itself.
>>739119435Should've been an option. Rebirth came a little closer with the scaling thingy.But it still sucks you don't get a harder option to play at first. FF16 had the braindead mode and only the normal mode once you finish the game.
>>739100171OG, I've already replayed it once before and enjoyed it more than my first playthrough.You would have to pay me at least $500 to replay Remake.
>>739100171haha, look at her go
>>739101584I love that stupid purple elevator.I'll always replay all of them. The OG is easier to jump into and I like the vibe of it more. Maybe part 3 will change that.
>>739119762>FF16 had the braindead mode and only the normal mode once you finish the game.I don’t think higher difficulty would have helped 16s problems, enemies dealing and taking more damage doesn’t mean much when you can just stunlock them. Sure, you gotta stunlock them for longer so you gotta have more consistency and maybe you’ll pull off some cool combos in the process but really, you are just dragging things out in the end and that’s not gonna make the game more fun, at least for me.
Ahh yes just another lame generic FF7 thread and not a Final Fantasy thread.
>>739100171Is this a gun to my head situation? I'd rather replay neither.
>>739119015Uhhh the Music???
>>739120081>Ywn kiss this beautiful facePain…..
>>739105963Bring back super bangs. Why should only Cloud/Zack get crazy hair.
>>739120838someone did a mod and it looked bad
>>739106403Just the mods that upscale the characters and backgrounds. I need a better FMV upscale mod. The one I have is too blurry. The original PS1 style music is the best.
>>739120705...and Zidane.
>>739100171I haven't even played 7R, so FF7 it is.
>>739118946I would be most excited about a Final Fantasy VI or Chrono Trigger Remake.
>>739100171I've played through OG VII 36 times, 11 of them with a Gold Chocobo. I made it 2 hours and 3 minutes into the Remake and couldn't stand it any longer, because it pissed me off on average every 2 minutes. (And I think I'm actually in its mythical target audience.)
>>739120705People are looking forward to part 3 or want to shit on the remakes. Not that I wouldn’t like to discuss the rest of the games.Hot take, but FFIII’s narrative is really underrated, the whole “suddenly there’s a world much larger than the one you knew” is one of my favorite twists in the series.
People who say "OG" need to be forced to live in brown town if you don't already.
>>739121123My negro. It's been quite a while so it's faded, but III left an impression on me, it had a feeling of epic adventure no other FF managed to capture for me. Just a bunch of kids going into an unforgiving magical world ending up in all kinds of shenanigans and standing up to crushingly powerful opponents, triumphing against all odds to save the world, with some help from the friends they made along the way. Simple at its core but for some reason kino as shit.a
>>739100171I'd rather play the original, fully complete game than the one that costs 200+ just for the first disc and maybe half of the second.>>739110571At the pace they're going this series will be an octilogy.
>>739121562AFAIK the next game will be the last. So they will need to figure out how to cram all of the rest of CD1 and CD2, plus the little bit CD3 had. Plus the new Wutai War subplot.
>>739101584this scene was fucking stupid anymore>The only thing I care about is finishin' this job before security and the Roboguards come. >never encounter any Roboguards>never find out why the "Roboguards" are such a threat
>>739121006You just know they would make the World of Balance its own game while doing the World of Ruin as the second part of a FFVI Remake Duology.
>>739121123I like the part in FF2 where the fake princess lamia monster tries to seduce Firion.
>>739121932>never encounter any Roboguards
>>739108795For all it's flaws the characters are better in Remake. Better as in they are the same characters done justice. Sephiroth was always a troll. The entire northern crater sequence in OG is how he is in Remake/Rebirth.>Want to see the picture we took in Nibelheim? It turned out pretty good.
>>739105345NO! That is incidental!
>>739118946After the clusterfuck that was FF7R, who would EVER want modern Squeenix to get their slimy claws all over the classics, much less 6, the one FF I would say is better than 7. Who wants a story where Kefka and Leo quantum leap into themselves from the past and a bunch of time ghosts interrupt the story constantly while the agency of every other character is sacrificed at the altar of "subverting expectations" mystery box bullshit?
>>739121932>>739122036always thought the robo guards were supposed to be the 1st ray things, did i got a mandela effect? they are called 1st ray thing but i swear they were called roboguards
Bugenhagen's room was mindblowing on the PSX
>>739122174"Roboguard" is a catchall for any robot guards. Shall I direct you to a book that explains how the American language works?
>>739122390No, i mean when i was a little kid i remember reading 1st ray name and being called "roboguards" but now i checked and they werentthe fuck, mandella effect shit
>>739122390>"Roboguard" is a catchall for any robot guards.no it isn't, that's an assumption on your part. it's like saying "SOLDIER" is a catchall for any shinra soldier when that obviously isn't the case, Cloud explicitly using the term "Roboguard" suggests that it means something but we never find out what. it's a colossal fuckup
I thought that the "Roboguard" was just the robot guards, and in the context of the bombing run, the mecha scorpion.
>>739121460>it had a feeling of epic adventure no other FF managed to capture for me.It’s my impression that even though these games are generally good (unless you are a sequel), they are so different that they end up having their own fanbases. There’s a FF for everyone but not every FF is for everyone. Somehow XIII and XV have fans that feel as strongly as I do about my favorites Me, I like a lot of them old and modern, III, IV, VI, VII, IX, X, XII, 7R, they are all great on my book. Even the games I played and didn’t mention like Stranger of Paradise and Lightning Returns have their charm, enough of it that they are someone’s favorite. With time, I’ve learnt to separate my enjoyment of a game from my thoughts on its quality.That’s why it kind of baffles me when people get so attached, so emotional that they would rather pretend the game’s not fun even if they have issue with something. Just like Lightning Returns, that game was so ass it makes 7R look like Red Dead Redemption 2, but I’d be lying out of my ass if I said I didn’t have a good time
>>739100171the original, definitely. >all the summons >all the weapons>all the materia >none of the Advent Children horseshit >Sephiroth isn't shoehorned in every five minutes >the overworld theme only plays when you get to the overworld, not when you are literally underground in Midgar >it's a complete game
>>739122447SOLDIER is explicitly defined as the elite mako-infused twinks. Roboguard is just something that was said, and never defined as a specific thing.If I say "the dicklickers in this thread," I'm referring to you and others, even though you prefer to suck the head and massage the balls instead of lick dicks.
>>739109612The best thing Ever Crisis did was show that Sephiroth is just as mentally messed up as Cloud with headaches and all. Sephiroth sees visions of Hojo taunting him and his mom doting on him (Jenova projections). Cloud sees Sephiroth taunting him (Jenova projections).We honestly never know (In the OG and Remakes) who Cloud is interacting with. Jenova taking on the form of Sephiroth because it's triggering or the real Sephiroth trying to get Cloud to help him with something. (Probably both)Part 3 will likely have Jenova switching tactics and using Aerith's form to trigger Cloud instead.
>>739100171Both are fun with mods. FF7 OG with mods makes the models and textures much better but it's still a game of its time. FF7 NU is fun with mods when you give Tifa big juicy tits and Aerith nice lingerie. FF7 OG is the better story and complete game. FF7 Nu is for autist that need meaningless busy work to do.
>>739109612Jenova attracted Sephiroth with the masamune and Sephiroth natural desire to get stronger to save anyone he wants. But that backfires into the sephiroth he became which desires for death to be removed and live forever, dragging everyone into it.
>>739108110>...a hint about how the story will conclude."It was all a dream! Thanks for playing!"
>>739122160>who would EVER want modern Squeenix toMe.You are not a fan, at least Square Enix doesn't consider you to be one, so they couldn't give a flying fuck about what you have to say. They don't care that you have been screaming from your lungs for 10 years straight that you hate nu-Final Fantasy and refuse to play it, because it isn't turn-based pixel slop. They don't care that you refuse to realize that you are in the minority. The fans are the gamers that enjoyed Final Fantasy VII Remake, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth and Final Fantasy XVI - and are able to give positive criticism about the games.
Remake every game but 8. Hire Debra Wilson (face scanned) to star in each one as the love interest. 8 supremacy.
>>739123196>The fans are the gamers that enjoyed Final Fantasy VII Remake, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth and Final Fantasy XVI - and are able to give positive criticism about the games.This is something /v/ will probably never understand.Theres a difference between saying "all of this is trash, just go back to turn based" to say "the gameplay is undercooked, there are some good ideas here and there but they need to fix X, Y, Z in the next iteration". Because thats the truth, FFXVI had some neat ideas and it needs to be explored more rather than dropped completely. Maybe make a FF gaiden for action games? That's actualy criticism. Not just a big "just drop everything lol and make games good like before" gee thanks for the criticism, just make game good, how didnt we think of that before?It is the reason why devs listen to people like Maxdoods.
>>739123196Why would they listen to "positive criticism" when they already have your money from the slop? You're going to buy it no matter how shit it is: that's what it means to be a fan.
>>739123196Ba7ry you have been posting this shit for almost 10 years straight.
The only thing I care about is finishin' this thread before mods and the Robojannies come.
>>739123438>Why would they listen to "positive criticism" when they already have your money from the slop?I know you are deep into the commie rabbithole and think every corporation is out there to get your money, but in case of developers, while they are interested in getting money, they also want to get even more money and interest in the future, so criticism for future games is necessary for that.
>>739123196"You are not a fan" is the go-to phrase of the most brain-mazed drooling retards on the planet.
You all realize that Sephiroth has a human mother (Lucrecia) and a human father (Hojo), right?And that Hojo, after impregnating his laboratory aid, shoved ONE "Jenova cell" into her/his established fetus?All Sephiroth is is a grade higher from "Mako" SOLDIER into "Jenova Cell" SOLDIER.Did you know, according to Crisis Core, there are at least two other "Jenvova Cell" SOLDIERs, too?
>>739123196Give it some time. It'll be Compilation all over again: shallow nostalgia exploitation for the easily confused and excited who will look back after it's all over and realize they were duped into buying pretentious pieces of crap. The hype of the moment will fade and people will remember that they prefer finished games with good pacing and stories that aren't convoluted, and if they don't, so be it; they'll keep eating slop and I'll just stick to my good games and never have anything to do with Squeenix ever again.
>>739123434It doesn't matter though. It doesn't matter how well reasoned or well researched or well argued "positive criticism" is because they already have your money, and if they don't they'll never care.>>739123663>and think every corporation is out there to get your moneyThey are. What else do you think they're for?>but in case of developersWho are employed by that corporation.>, they also want to get even more money and interest in the futureWhich is why they go for slop. Why listen to "a fan" when you can ignore them and get ten times the purchases by going for the non-fans. Which is what the Remake of FF7 is doing because everything is based around what the non-fans THINK FF7 is.This entire thread is full of actual fan discussion about FF7 (the Jenova stuff) that has been in actual fan discussions for DECADES, but it doesn't matter.
>>739123196Two thumbs up for the le heckin' based Yuffie fag. You are completely correct.
>>739123801Compilation ended on a cliffhanger and nobody gave a shit. This will happen again. They'll just keep milking with new garbage until sales are bad enough then drop it and start again. There will never be a satisfying ending where either SE or the fanbase draw a line under FF7 and call it a day.
>>739123434>It is the reason why devs listen to people like Maxdoods.lmao
>>739123852>is because they already have your money, and if they don't they'll never care.They care, because they are planning on releasing new games in the future. its not just one and done and run away with your money.The problem is that you psychopaths cant even give proper criticism without going full retard with aimless insults and buzzwords.
>>739117730Yeah. Hollow is basically about Cloud being in denial and finally accepting things. Part 3 will be about Sephiroth offering Cloud a gameshark hack to bring Aerith back if he betrays his friends. Cloud will kill Zack at the northern crater and turn full heel. We already see Cloud as a black cloak summoning meteor in Remake.I love Aerith but I love maximum Cloud suffering more.
>>739124029Do you think criticism is only acceptable if you agree with it and it comes from someone who says the love the games and will keep buying them anyway but politely say one or two small things that they didn't like but aren't a huge issue?
>>739124064>Cloud will kill Zack at the northern crater and turn full heel.Zack is already dead and he's in a quest to heal Cloud with the truth, thats why he's brought back by aerith through the dream worlds
>>739124134>Do you think criticism is only acceptable if you agree with it"Game is shit" is not criticism, anon.
>>739124064>betray the absolute sex that is Tifa>bring back the horseIt's like>you get to eat Indian food if you walk across these hot coals
>>739124029>The problem is that you psychopaths cant even give proper criticism without going full retard with aimless insults and buzzwords.The entire thread has been about how the entire concept behind the remakes/compilation is fundamentally wrong. And I repeat: people have been saying this for literally decades, and it hasn't mattered. For every person who saw Advent Children and said "wait, Rufus is alive even after getting hit in the fucking face by a Weapon at the top of a tower that collapsed with him in it? That seems a bit unlikely" there were one hundred times as many creaming their pants.
>>739124064No, it's about him wanting to defy fate and save Aerith. It's post AC Cloud's feelings if he had knowledge of the meta sequel
>>739124226Okay so what's a criticism, and does it happen to sound like what I just described?You want us to criticize properly but you keep telling us how not to do it. How DO we do it?
>>739118226[Chorus]Hear me once moreShow me your smileThis time for sureI'll see the truth hidden inside your tearsBut I, I know>That you're long goneBut I, I willGo on howling and hollow
>>739124258tifa is ugly aerith is wife
>>739100171Remake because it's actually fun to play
>>739124417You dropped this.
>>739124064Marlene told Zack to heal Cloud so he can save Aerith. Cloud killing Zack makes no sense.
>>739124226You can't "hmmm I'd tweak this minor thing..." if the game's story, setting, and characters, are fundamentally broken. It's like saying "give the slight tweaks that can be implemented in a week or so to fix Bubsy 3D."
>>739100171OG is only 30 hoursRemake is 40 hours, and then you need to also play Rebirth and also play Part 3. That's gonna be like 200 hours to replay a 30 hour game.
Why is this guy pretending nobody here ever explained why they dislike viir? The complaints are posted 100 times over every day and he's pretending all anyone says is "game is shit" and never elaborate. I also notice he doesn't seem to have any issue with people doing exactly that for any other games, including OG.
>>739100171OG
>>739124470I have chad taste and you have ugly faggot taste
>>739124507But enough about FF7 Original Gangsta (yo yo yo word up shawty that Lil Wayne be FYE).
>>739124064At this point just make a new game and call it Final Fantasy [whatever the number is now].
>>739118637But enough about Advent Children
>>739124349Yep, it's AC Cloud singing.Shine bright once moreGuide me to youSmile bright once moreThis time I will never let you goVery meta
>>739124519>remake and rebirth is just CD1 of OGwhat were they fucking thinking?all that bloat was not necessary
>>739124582Not very final innit bruv?
>>739118637Kitase said he wanted to make the characters happy. It will be like you say but without the part of Aerith dying.
>>739100171OG, it's a full game and doesn't have as much retarded padding.
>>739112306KEK
>>739124657Most of FF7 original was just CD 1. There's not a lot on CD 2, and there's nothing on CD3.
>>739100171OG so I can finish it in a week instead of waiting 10 years to find out what happens in a version thats told worse
>>739121936Nope. Part 1 will end with Ultros throwing Sabin off the raft, while Locke makes his way back to Figaro. Part 2 ends with Terra going crazy on her way to Zozo. Part 3 ends with Cid shoving the Returners into a cart in the Magitek Factory...
>>739124064Then his friends have to defeat Cloud as the final boss and actually kill him. Then Cloud sees a vision of reuniting with Aerith in the lifestream and tearfully smiles. Then the vision vanishes and it's revealed Cloud is denied assimilation into the cycle of the lifestream for turning evil. Then Cloud basically turns into AC Sephiroth.
>>739121085Chapter 3 is rough but it gets good again once you get to sector 5 and beyond.
>>739124657>all that bloat was not necessaryIts defenders will tell you that the boat was necessary and that it absolutely needed to be 3 games. Even the directors will tell you that the bloat was necessary and that (You) just have ADD or something. But everyone with a brain knows they could have made it 1 game. Maaaybe 2 games if they really needed to. It certainly didn't need to be 3 fucking games, that's for sure.
>>739124809after the lifestream sequence Discs 2 and 3 are about completing sidequests and the final battle. Not a lot of story meat.
>>739124985Fact: checked
>>739100171That's not "OG", that's the shit PC port. The original didn't have muddy gray/black phong shading on the characters, they actually blended into the backgrounds pretty well.
>>739100171OGRemake combat is fun but the whole game is tedious and cringey
>>739124968Wait bloat more so you can sell the same game 3 times, no way, also it's good for you.Japs are bitches, i really dont know how people still worship them in current year.
>>739124727I don't remember this?
>>739124907Yes friend, then Aerith has to put down "evil" Cloud herself.Dumbass. I'm glad you guys are not writers or we would get the shittiest edgefest ever.Anyway, I'm glad we are getting a happy and hopeful ending about reuniting with Aerith.
Sorry, ffvii is too big to be a modern game.So we took it and made it 10 times longer.With interesting stuff? Haha, no. And is it a new story? Nope, it's the same story, just told worse. And no it's still not done.And we might have DLC for part 3 so even when it's done it might not be done.
>>739119243>I'm interactiiiinglolFF7 literally has more interaction and it's turn-basedROFL
>>739124507>if the game's story, setting, and characters, are fundamentally brokenthats a big statement
THEY FOUND HIM
>>739125407And there's been a whole thread explaining it.
Isn't it useful that no criticism seems to be acceptable and anyone who complains needs to be grilled for failing to be sufficiently objective enough or make a good enough case but any 7R fan doesn't have to explain themselves
I don't think they have a concrete idea of what the Remake's plot is supposed to be, and neiter do any anons really. I think they had some semblance of a plan with Remake but then with Rebirth they were too afraid to commit, pussied out in this weird 90% shit is the same, 10% is a little bit different way and it completely didn't work. Then Expedition 33 shat all over them, and they shot themselves in the foot for Part 3 since no matter what they do, someone will be pissed.That said, I liked both the OG since I'm not a zoomer (god it feels good to not be a zoomzoom) and I was able to enjoy Rebirth for what it was.
>>739125591Not really. Sure you see people complaining about some stuff but for the story, themes and characters to be fundamentally broken or wrong you need to do much more.
>>739125621They said the retrilogy story was mapped from the start and they won't stray from it, they will just "add" stuff based on feedback.
>>739125621>Then Expedition 33 shat all over themkill yourself you fucking retard
>>739100171I want to play the OG with mods and the OG Japanese script.
>>739100171What was your team?
>>739125608I know >>739125694 is a big fan of this system
>>739125767Typical kneejerk Final Fantasy fanboy response. E33 was excellent. Remake was mid. The numbers don't lie.
>>739123949There was already a satisfying ending. It was at the end of FF7. It was a perfectly complete story with a beginning, middle, and end. Any plot threads left behind were irrelevant because the characters already went as far as they needed to go. That's what made Compilation so bad: there wasn't any room left for the characters to grow, so they regressed just to go over the same beats again. Cloud un-gets over Aeris dying just so he can re-get over it in AC, and Vincent un-gets over Lucrecia dying so he can re-get over it in DC (DC also re-characterizes Lucrecia as a raging whore who slept with Vincent's dad first before cockteasing him and getting preggers with the Thing instead of it being a tragic twist where she realizes her feelings after she's already committed to the experiment).
>>739125923Stop using exp33 for shitposting you embarrassing cunt, kill yourself
>>739125694>story, themes and characters to be fundamentally broken or wrong you need to do much more.See >>739107807>>739108040That is what FF7 is about. It is about loss, and it's about identity. It is not about multi-dimensional 5D chess played by demi-Gods to bring about a whatever the fuck the plot even is meant to be.You can say "that's what the ORIGINAL was about, but this is the REMAKE" but then you have to admit that things were changed to such an extent that it's not even meant to be the same story, and then it's not a remake is it?
AERISSSScrew you square enix!
>>739124341I nootice this was never answered
>>739125973>That is what FF7 is about. It is about loss, and it's about identity...the remakes do that too. Like, you would have to deliberately ignore the plot points to think it isnt about that.
i rather not replay jrpgs
>>739125885Early game:>Aeris, so I can get her final limit before she dies>Yuffie, so I can get her final limit before the pagodaMidgame:>Tifa with the Powersoul and Cursed Ring>anyone other than Barret or CidLate game:>anyone other than Barret or Cid who doesn't have all their limits yetEndgame:>Barret>Cid
>sakaguchi praised FF6 AI slopKEK
>>739125885I am a simple man.Cloud-Tifa-Barret all the way
>>739126205He's a boomer. They've been one-shotted by AI.
so this is driving me nuts. the little "test" Tifa is doing on Cloud in the form of the story about the shop keeper's son, is she making this an analogue about her feelings toward Cloud and Aerith? or is this her sort of goating him into thinking she has a crush and checking his reaction for relief when she mentions the shop keeper's son with a woman? or is the confirming that he can't her her cloud because that story is bull, or she knows that guy is dead, but cloud doesn't correct her, so her reaction against the door is being worried, and crest fallen, but still painfully smitten despite clear signs something is up. what is going on in this scene? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=min6WGFWUqQ
>>739126221Same. Team Midgar all day every day.
>>739126274It's like you forget they had a fight on who's really who back in Kalm and she just wants to confirm Cloud remembers anything about nibelheim at all.
>>739126318Based.
Did people forget that there's an actual FF7 remake that has the same gameplay/story as the original FF7?
>>739125885Cloud Aeris VincentCloud Vincent Cid
>>739124167The Rebirth world is just as fake as Zacks world. Sephiroth created a splinter world that's doomed to fade so he wants to merge it back together (Aerith being saved included but there are consequences).The plot twist is this time Cloud isn't crazy. He's the only one who "gets" it.>Aerith: This sky, I don't like it>Cloud: It's not real it's an illusionRemake world has a rip in the sky. It's going bye bye.
>>739126340so her clutching her hands when he says he only remembers her, while heart warming its making her worry too?
Final Fantasy VII has no remake.Final Fantasy VII needs no remake.
>>739126090What, in your opinion, do the remakes not do well?
>>739125885>Cloud>Cid>BarretTried using Vincent but his limit break casts Fire damage and the boss right after you get him absorbs fire. Worse first impression ever.Cid and Barret have great weapons and limits. Barret can also attack safely from the back row, kind of a moot point but a 50% reduction is huge.
>>739126380they completely ruined it with gacha shit, i shit you not.
>>739126090Yes, but >>739126412If you can't see why that entire line of discussion even being possible doesn't change it at a fundamental level, then no arguing will convince you.
>>739125885usually cloud for healing and heavy hits, Tifa for cover and VERY heavy hits, and Vincent for crowd control magic and range attacks.
>>739124258>Cloud gets stigma cancer>Ignores Tifas calls to go die in Aerith's church
>>739126380>what are you complaining about? just play this gachalollmao
>>739126634>Aerith dies of ligma
The problem is remake wanted to have the same themes as OG of loss and identity but adding the themes of hope and defying fate by having Cloud saving Aerith and the characters avoiding their bad ending. But they did it in the most cluster fuck way possible.
>>739107798fuck off, nomuranobody likes you, kys
>>739126803The problem is entirely in the lake scene. They obviously want to preserve it and show it, but at the same time have aerith live. So timelines were put in
So many anons lined up and ready to tell you that your criticisms, no matter what they are, do not count. Aren't they lucky that praise of the game doesn't come under such scrutiny.
>>739124336I used to think that until Rebirth ended with Cloud being set up to try to find her. Cloud in the Original had no such plans because he immediately accepted her death and hinted he also wanted to die to find her in the promised land.Cloud literally thinks Aerith set up a tent at the forgotten capital and is chilling atm. He's going to be pissed when Tifa or better yet Sephiroth gives him the bad news.
>>739125885Barret, Tifa - the OGBarret, Red - Club CosmoBarret, Yuffie -Barret, Cait - enemy of my enemyBarret, Vincent - guns to a knife fightBarret, Cid - contains expletivesTifa, Red - you just knowTifa, Yuffie - I know kung fuTifa, Cait - Tifa, Vincent - a dish best served coldTifa, Cid - Red, Yuffie - kid's menuRed, Cait - yiff in hellRed, Vincent - red's my colorRed, Cid - sticks and stoneYuffie, Cait - getting politicalYuffie, Vincent - strategy guideYuffie, Cid - Cait, Vincent -Cait, Cid -Vincent, Cid - shoot for the moonNeed ideas.
>>739126825Nomura is the only person at Square with a clue. At least they fired that hack Tabata after FFXV.
Remake was a total drag, I can't imagine ever replaying it.
>>739126896Everything that seems bad about 7Rs plot turns out to be good once you think about it hard enough and make yourself like it
>>739104812The things I really hated in the 'remake'>showing sephiroth in like the first 5 minutes>shinra building completely empty and ominous with a trail of blood to ceo's body with sword stuck in him giving sephiroth an air of mystique gone>midgar zolem impaled on tree not showing his strength because you just got done flying around like a dbz fight
>>739126412>Aerith: This sky, I don't like itThis is a reaction to feeling Zack memories in the lifestream AND a callback on how Aerith likes the plate because she likes humanity, there are lines implying that the sky takes people away.>Cloud: It's not real it's an illusionIts implied Cloud is between two worlds, the world where Aerith "lived" and the real world. Its a mismatch. Cloud is crazy in terms that he doesnt live in the real world and accept Aerith death.
>>739124490Why else bring back Zack other then as a slightly better red shirt? Now they can really set up Clouds heel turn without damaging the core story.
>>739126570Denial is a theme related to loss. Not being able to cope with reality and wishing you could be someone else / wishing you could have done something different is also tied to identity.
>>739127047Ah, a fellow theorycrafting fan
>>739112306Moving goalposts?>yeah you are right but i dont give a shit!? thats why im complaining on how this shit doesnt make sense!
>>739127047Change that into "Everything that seems bad about 7Rs plot turns out to be good once you understand whats happening and pay attention to the story and themes".
>>739124907I want a Cloud boss fight at the northern crater. Beat his ass into that wheelchair.
>>739125885First time? Cloud, Cid, TifaI don't think I've ever used Red or Cait Sith.
>>739127215>>yeah you are rightWho said that?
>>739127047Because this is what the remake is actually about. It's not "a story" with themes, ideas, etc. it's a discussion topic.
>>739124968I loved Rebirth but the game flows way better if you ignore all side quests and delete the return to Nibelheim from the story.
>>739125885I'll claim Cloud, Cid & Red XIII.But, it's probably easier to rate them on a scale of "used" to "not used">Cloud>Cid>Red XIII>Barrett>Tifa>Vincent>Yuffie>Aeris>Vincent>never used fucking never>Cait Sith
>>739127305>Who said that?When you completely drop a subject you technically are conceeding.
>>739127267This. There's nothing wrong with the plot and anyone saying otherwise is just wrong and doesn't understand what's happening. There are channels they could watch that explain it all but they won't.
>>739101149playstation (or emulator)2013 is closest to those
>>739125885>new threatCloud the physical attacker, Red the tank support, Aerith the magic user.>Remake/rebirthCloud, aerith and red xiii, same roles>OG who gives a fuck?
FF7 is a story.FF7R is MatPat fodder.>There are channels they could watch that explain it all but they won't.He says this as if it's a good thing.
>>739127343>ffviir is actually a story about pigs learning to flyThat's stupid. Even if it's true that's stupid. And it doesn't mean the game is good.>you concede? I must have been right
>>739127386Glad we agree. It's actually great.>>739127440You can see "thing explained" for everything in media. The fact that people are making videos exploring and explaining stuff about remake/rebirth (a game that it is designed that way since the story isnt finished yet) doesnt say anything.
>>739110571>Doing something like the world map navigation they had in SNES/PS1 is still long goneExpedition 33 managed it.
>>739127386Funny, we all seem to be agreeing on that now, but yesterday I heard 7R is perfectly good even if you dont know whats going on.So it seems youre an idiot if you know whats going on and if you dont. I guess youre just wrong if you dont like these games and its your own fault for knowing too much or not enough
>>739127505>That's stupid.Really? why? someone/something wanting to fly and not being able to is everywhere. Being able to fly is tied to freedom and power, so it is a very relatable feeling.
>>739124985I think they will have a lot happen while Cloud is in a wheelchair from his POV. We have no idea where Cloud ended up in Zacks timeline.>Ex Soldier armed with a buster sword>Tifa, Barret, Red are dead>Aerith crashed in the helicopterBut where is Cloud? He's not dead. He's AWOL. Zack carrying around a Cloud is meant to make us forget about there being duplicate running around.
>>739127610We don't question the people who like 7R. Only the critics must be interrogated.
>>739127593exp33 doesnt explore a world map. Its just inside a painting.
>>739127664>We have no idea where Cloud ended up in Zacks timelineThis is the gay shit people say now thanks to remake
>>739127593But nobody played Expedition 33 that wasn't on the CCP payroll.
>>739127523>The fact that people are making videos exploring and explaining stuff about remake/rebirth (a game that it is designed that way since the story isnt finished yet) doesnt say anything.Stories explain themselves. That's the point of a story.> (a game that it is designed that way since the story isnt finished yet) So there's no point even talking about it. Or watching hours of video exploring every possible Game Theory subject, because as you say, it's not finished yet.
>>739125767I haven't played E33 but it's undeniable that it got better awards and recognition. If it's a better game or not literally doesn't fucking matter.
>>739125885Cloud, Yuffie, Cid
>>739127675And 7R is just inside a lifestream dreamworld
>>739127423>troon threat
>>739127763>Stories explain themselves. That's the point of a story.yeah, and everything has a "Thing explained" video on youtube. >So there's no point even talking about it. Or watching hours of video exploring every possible Game Theory subject, because as you say, it's not finished yet.Yeah tell that to people watching the empire strikes back and wondering how return of the jedi will be about. >dont talk or discuss about it, you dont know anything!Tell me later how that goes.
>>739127873K, b.
>>739100171Why would I replay games? I'm not an autist
>>739128007Taking a hardline stance on never replaying games is way more autistic than replaying games.
>>739127891>yeah, and everything has a "Thing explained" video on youtube.Yes, but again, you don't need that for FF7. This entire thread has had people posting lines from the game that explain themselves. You don't need a video, you point to the game.>Yeah tell that to people watching the empire strikes back and wondering how return of the jedi will be about. "I guess we'll have to wait and find out" was the common take before theorycrafting.
>>739128160Not really.
>>739100171Remakes. I never thought OG was that great though. They're actually commentaries not remakes. You still need to know the OG to see what they're doing.If you don't have the generational experience of being inundated with FF7 fan content and discussions for a big chunk of your life, there's no reason to play either. Just play ChronoTrigger and FF6 and consider your 90s JRPG box checked.
No one in 1997 would give a shit about FF7 if you had to wait years between each part.It's been six (6) years between the release of Remake and now.We could have a decade to tell a story that was once told in about 40 hours and took about two years to make.
>>739128167>Yes, but again, you don't need that for FF7. This entire thread has had people posting lines from the game that explain themselves. You don't need a video, you point to the game.Ok, but you dont need that either for FF7re.>"I guess we'll have to wait and find out" was the common take before theorycrafting.Yeah, and thats what people are doing as well, though.
>>739128220Okay.
Do character statistics affect your OG party? I like using Vincent but according to the ranking he's one of the most fragile.
>>739128271they probably released ff3 through 7 the same time they're taking to make 3 different parts of the same overarching storythis strategy was doomed to fail with current-era dev cycles
>>739128220When you get older you'll realise you've forgotten games you played decades ago and enjoy playing them again, maybe you're just too young right now.
>>739128331>Do character statistics affect your OG partyno. You really don't need to minmax in ff7. I just pick who I think is cool
Both. Have you tried not being miserable and doing something other than spreading your misery everywhere you go?
>>739126274Every optional scene of Cloud/Tifa had Tifa fishing Cloud about Aerith.>You buying flowers? That's new. I studied their meaning to find out if there was any subtext I needed to know.>How did you met? You sure there isn't anything more?Cloud: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh>Who did you give my flower to?Cloud: Don't recall>So is Tifa like your girlfriend?Cloud: No! It's not like that!
>>739128331Cloud is a chad character
>>739128442OP only asked which you'd rather reply, they didn't say anything miserable. Ironically, you sound very unhappy and insecure.
Just beat the Cosmo canyon boss I forgot to give Red any materia kek
>>739128542Are you playing the game with beads?
>>739128271Back in the 90s we were getting a new cutting edge mainline game every year for our entire childhood. I used to get a new Faf game every Christmas. Now, kids are lucky to get 1 half-finished mainline game over a decade. No wonder nobody gives a shit about the franchise any more.
>>739126274Tifa was the popular girl who liked her beta orbiters even if she wasn't interested. It bothered her when she lost one to a new girlfriend. Cloud is the last orbiter she has left and is worried she will lose him too.I guess there is always Rude
>>739128542how do you that when red xiii is forced since the beginning
>>739128442boy don't you sound like a barrel of sunshine>do you prefer hamburgers or hot dogs anon?>I like BOTH, why must your whole life be dedicated to spreading MISERY?yeesh
>>739128381Final Fantasy IV was released in 1991. Final Fantasy VII in 1997. But you're only off by a year.They say part 3 will release next year, so that's 7 years at least.Not just 5 games, but across 3 consoles (NES, SNES, PS).Some one who played the first part of the remake at 20 will be nearly 30 at the release of the final part, and you ask me why I don't give a shit?It's why I never, even back then, gave a shit about those "epic fantasy" series with 12 books all 1000 pages, and still unfinished.
>>739128442>this projectionMaybe try reading the question again
>>739128625>beads?>>739128691I removed it from him
>>739128442Dont worry anon, i know you know OP was trying to bait people into arguing here and can actually read between lines.
In part 3 we will get the memory of the lake from the OG until Cloud breaks, then we'll save Aerith.They want to have their cake and eat it too.
>>739128331They don't matter considering yuffie is ranked 6 in str yet is the 2nd highest damaging character in the game next to clod.
>>739128636Zoomies talk about FOMO, imagine them being in my position and having to pick what games I wanted for Christmas in 1998.
>>739107625You need a dog nose on those ghosts, to make them even more hilarious.
>>739128331Cloud should be n1 in dexterity and luck too because he's the protagonist. The other characters should eat dirt.
>>739128331Vincent can one shot weapons lol
>>739128714>someone still in school when the remake was announced came out could finish school, get a job, get hitched, have a baby, raise them and tell their kid about it by the time it's finishedGrim.
>>739128714I think KH3 also makes people doubtful.How many people, even the people fighting tooth and nail to defend 7R in these threads, genuinely believe part 3 will have a real satisfying conclusion that completes the story?Or will there be room for possible continuation?Everyone talking about part 3 "finishing" the story are kidding themselves and they know it too.Will ANYONE in this thread tell me they honestly think part 3 will complete the story? Or will they use PR weasel words and say some shit like "it will end 7Rs story... not ff7s story"Let's see. Hands up everyone!
>>739128331>Aerith is ranked n1 in 3 categories >kill herShits
>>739128780Thanks for the support, I kind of embarrassed myself back there
>>739100171I actually liked Rebirth but I don't think I could ever go back to it with that open world bloat. Original FFVII moves at a pretty brisk pace for modern standards so definitely that.
>>739128780It's obvious.
>>739128331Stats don't matter nearly as much as gear, limit breaks, and materia.
>>739128780Your threshold for bait is very low. You must feel these games are under attack all the time.
>>739128995Reminds me of talking to a Zoomer about how much of a formative experience FF7 was for me, and he says he would have loved to have Deltarune as a formative experience but he's too old now. Depressed me for days.
>>739129017I'm so cynical I'm dead sure they will end part 3 in some kind of cliffhanger to this extended universe remake. Dirge of Cerberus remake? Pre-AC game? Who knows.
>>739129017They already said they are planning to end FF7 story here, but they dont know if the world of FF7 will come back in the future. That seems to be a fair statement.I dont think Nomura ever said "KH3 is the end".
OG
>>739129202A Dirge remake would be kino it's already nomura'd up to fuck so there's nothing to break
>>739129290LMAO
>>739128995>>739129197Laughing because if I didn't I'd cry.
>>739100171>Fumbling through the inventory to swap materia in the remakes OG. If they don't bring back swapping out entire lines of materia from the original AT LEAST I'm going to seethe.
>>739121460Shame FF3 never got the GBA Remake treatment and is the only objectively good Pixel Remaster.
>>739100171OG, not even close. even that damn parade sequence on pc.
>>739129258So will you call it out if part 3 isnt the end, or will you think about it and realise actually this is perfect, not complain and decide others should not complain either
>>739129258>They already said they are planning to end FF7 story hereBut it ended on disc 3 on the Playstation in 1997.
>>739129508I would suggest them to have a materia table instead of a list but then I remembered they're all color-coded identical spheres lmao
Back then "generation defining" meant a work so important for a co-hort that it became the axis an entire age group turned around.Now "generation defining" means that it takes the entire maturity of a generation to actually fully come out.
>>739122659Beautiful Feet
>>739128331They don't really matter except for Dex, which makes your ATB gauge fill faster.
>>739127047There is nothing about the new plot points that bother me so far. My only complaints are about padding and pacing. It seems people are more upset at what could happen compared to what has happened. Nothing that has happened has bothered me.I really liked how they redid Gongaga. The sequence of Cloud dodging bullets with his neck as he goes full murder hobo was peak.I liked the village of the Gi loreTemple of the Ancients was a huge upgrade from the OG. Cloud slowly losing it was well done.They confused the Aerith death scene on purpose but we got the trials that was sad AF and the scene of Aerith and Cloud in the church was fantastic and brand new.
>>739129575The story of cloud and the party and sephiroth? yeah i will.If they make a game based on ancients and the first time jenova came to earth, i would be pretty excited. That doesnt continue the story of Cloud and sephiroth.Or in the far future. A game about red xiii could be cool. That doesnt continue the story of cloud and sephiroth.In fact, the biggest complain about the compilation i have is that they keep trying to retread the original game instead of just making its own stuff. Before crisis could have been just a game about the turks and it would been fine. Expanding on Zack with crisis core and giving him his own story was fine as well, it explores Soldier and Zack backstory. If they didnt introduce genesis in the middle of the nibelheim flashback it would have been fine.
>>739100187I went back to try 5-9 since I didn't play them as a kid and I couldn't bring myself to complete any of them.
>>739129197>and he says he would have loved to have Deltarune as a formative experience but he's too old now.Jesus Christ I just checked and the first part came out in 2018.
>>739100171Both are fun
>>739129290They used Bizarro Sephiroth in Rebirth but no Birth of a God... whyOne-Winged Angel ain't even as good as people shill it to be, it's a good final boss theme and iconic but it isn't that much better than Dancing Mad or even the Exdeath one.Especially not that good to be remixed, remastered, rearranged a thousand times in FF7 media.
>>739129876Just have to wait...
>>739100171Remake. I've played OG and I have no interest in playing it again.
>>739127053Original line>I miss it, the steel skyTo bringing in the actress to redo the line as>This sky, I don't like itIs a lot of effort for something that means the same thing if it's a Crisis Core callback. If it's a sky rip then the second makes sense.
>>739100171obviously the originalthe "remake" is fucking garbage and destroys the entire plot and characters
>>739129915>It'll be out when it's outWe all live in Linkara's world.
>>739129936Actually, the original japanese line was "i hate the sky" or something and they localized it. It seems to me that the remake devs just put a lot of emphasis on changing it.
>>739123725Thank you for the bottom iceberg lore anon
remake has so much painful filler built in to the main quest because they had to figure out how to stretch a 5 hour prologue into a 30 hour $60 game
>>739100171obviously the remakethe "original" is fucking garbage and destroys the entire plot and characters
>>739100171I just got all the achievements
>>739127779I played E33 around the same time as Rebirth. Rebirth had so much more polish and presentation that it felt inorganic the praise E33 was getting in comparison. Every dungeon was the same with a different skin.
>>739100171need to be in the mood for eitheri cant just replay something just to replayi need like, even a weak or silly reason to do solike my recent replay all i did was level up steal materia and just had everyone spamming Mug for the entire fucking thingand my last replay of the remakes i wanted to go full blown Mystic Knight on Cloud with elemental+whatever.for rebirth i had the same idea but cloud as a tankmage with barrets elemental materia+common weakness of the area + yuffie with her elemental mechanicwatching max luck yuffie spam a fuckton of little damage at rapid fire hitting a weakness + barret doing the same with his giganigga angermax ability all the while cloud is taunting, blocking and regenall to everyone like a motherfucker
Only real chads run Buster sword only
>>739130349I got all of them for the previous version. At least they gave us the new one for free.
>>739130449original? nahremakes? only after its fully upgraded
>>739128390I only mained Yuffie because I needed a replacement healer and her clear tranquil did the trick. She is overall really solid. I love her playstyle in the Remakes too.
>>739128542X-potion is all you need
>>739124519Chrono Trigger is only 20 hours long give or take if you decide to do all the sidequests.
>>739128389I do replay some games from my childhood but only the ones I didn't finish as a kid
>>739130449I did a run of the original once where I couldn't put materia on weapons, and could only put them on the armor, but the only allowed armor was the one in Midgar with two joined slots (I had to grind to afford enough for every character to carry me through the game).It's a lot harder than you'd think.
I genuinely have no idea why you fight Bizarro Sephiroth at the end of Rebirth. They don't even play Birth of a God.
>>739130449I did that in remake. Cutscenes look goofy with any other sword
>>739130676Yeah. We need to go back to that. Games started having bloat even in the PSX era.
>>739130748to give bizarro some time to shine
>>739130449I am in the middle of doing it myself and Cloud is now dealing less damage than Tifa and Barret now around Nibel
>>739129197I just played Deltarune. It's a 90s simulator. CRT televisions and landlines.
>>739129290But Cloud looks so happy!
>>739129290what is on sephiroth's face
>>739130896A beard
>>739129597Yup. All the humans were wiped out.
>>739130449If you didn’t equip the buster sword for the final boss you didn’t beat the game, simple as.
>>739100171neither. 7 was shit and 9 was better in every way
>>739131012no they weren't
>>739127015>Nomura is the only person at Square with a clueLMAO.He's the one who greenlit the indefensible abomination known as time-jannies.He's the one who gave a big fat middle finger to all those who waited literal decades to see Versus in order to give precedence to yet another Cringemod Farts.There is not 1 single sane person in SquareEnix, and Nomura is no exception.
OG FF7 was grim as fuck, the ending was so ambiguous that you didn't even know if humans survived at all just the planet and red xii tribemodern day square doesnt have the balls for an ending like that, get ready for some deus ex machina bringing aerith back in part 3
>>739131058I'm sorry anonI know some of you really like it and grew up with it, but 9 is a fucking piece of dog shitThe game can barely play itself because the ps1 can't handle the animations and everything is buffered to hell.
>>739130748Probably this >>739130789 part 3 ending might deviate so wildly from prior cannon Sephiroth might not even be the final boss.
>>739129840>If they make a game based on ancients and the first time jenova came to earth, i would be pretty excited.I would be so hyped for more lore
>>739131106>the ending was so ambiguous that you didn't even know if humans survived at all just the planet and red xii tribethe ending was ambiguous by mistake
Cloud still has the empty materia. He'll eventually get holy and save the planet himself.
>>739130445Scrolling and skipping through the sea of text in this thread to come across this made it worth it lol.
>>739131183that's where they'll contain Sephiroth since he cant return to the lifestreamthats how they defeat him
>>739131229>Turning Sephiroth into a gachaponkino
Even though there are so many VIIR fans ITT this post is seeing very little action >>739129017What gives?
>>739131106>hear children playing and laughing at the endHumanity survived just fine. What died was the culture and society of Midgar and what it represented.Humans were part of the planet. Don't fall for the Malthusian "humans are the disease" thinking when the game made it clear that this wasn't the case.Tghe library has a book that says that Shin-ra moved to Mako refinement after finding Jenova.
>>739131281>Labubu Sephiroth
>>739131165The smoke thing was a joke, you know. It was what it was intentionally.
>>739131337it was all speculation when the game released before square started whoring the franchise and the universe expanded post-ending
Sephiroth in part 3
>>739131204moddable games are the best games
>>739131448No, lol. The smoke thing was a mistake, Nojima said that the point of the ending was "Thanks to Cloud and party efforts, humanity and life lived on in the future"
>>739130748I think they won't have the final descent into the crater. We technically have seen the coolest parts already. The Jenova fight at the end if Rebirth was a straight call back of jumping down the rocks with the waterfall behind you as the Jenova theme blasts.
>>739131552>No, lol. The smoke thing was a mistake, Nojima said that the point of the ending was ''we need more money so we are retconning this''FIXED
>>739131060Bugenhagen said the planet might get rid of the humans and 500 years later you only saw Red 13.
>>739100171OG. I used to think of it as a 7/10 game but modern games being in the state they're in, going back to play it now I appreciate it so much more. Remake and Rebirth feel like dozens of other shitty modern games but playing ffvii in 2026 really shows you how unique and magical an experience it is.
>>739130748one of the weirdest, most disappointing moments in rebirth. what the fuck were they thinking?
>>7391311837 seconds til the end
>>739131337>forgets red can talk
>>739129850>>739100187>zoomers have poor attention spans and can't enjoy JRPGSYeah, try turning off the podcast in the background and actually immersing yourself if the games world.
>>739131685He also said "lol i dunno"
>>739102703Remake is awful when it comes to pacing. I cannot imagine enjoying it if you did not play the original game. The battle system is the best hybrid system in existence, git gud.
>>739132138>The battle system is the best hybrid system in existence, git gud.This. But I'm still waiting on god mode patch to finish those dreadful VR challenges from Chudley. I seriously hate boss rushes.I could even try to fight one boss at a time perfect 0 hits, but can't be assed to fight boss rushes.
>>739132138Well, I played Remake before OG and I loved every second of it.
>>739124341Threads about to die and we never got an answer to this, what a shame.I guess remake critics will just have to keep shitting on it the wrong way.
>>739132415I replayed it modded, it was a more bearable. Fixes for all the little changes (restored bloody trail, removed anime efforts, music fixes)The musical changes annoyed me the most. The OG Walmart theme is so much better.
>>739124341>>739132473Quick run down: don’t argue in bad faith while being as derogatory as humanly possible.
>>739129017*crickets*
>>739132668>removed anime effortsFake fan spottedAnime site, anime games, GTFO if you don’t like it.
>>739132889Sorry nobody cared for your retardation anon.
>>739132807Imagine how much more effective this would be if you practiced what you preach. But I don't see you taking issue with the schizo who spams shit about turn-troon-boomers
>>739132984Handful of posts addressed that subject but none came with a (You)
>>7391329847R fans are incapable of saying part 3 will be the end of the story. Questions you dont like arent retardation.
>>739133069You're talking to a very insecure schizo who thinks OPs post was misery spreading bait
>>739133069what about >>739129258
>>739132986Imagine thinking that I owe you to step in for you to call out others because they were mean to you. You want me to take you seriously?, be respectful or I’ll tear into your shitty opinion, simple as.
>>739133143Damn, looks like someone cared after all. How embarrassing for >>739132984Now where are all the replies from the other 7R fans I wonder...
>>739133180Can you give us an example of a 7R criticism you'd find acceptable to avoid any trouble in future?
>>739133283You are allowed one TINY criticism if you are very polite about it and also say you still love the game in spite of this one small nitpick.
>>739133204>Now where are all the replies from the other 7R fans I wonder...Correct me if im wrong but you sound like you were begging (and expecting) a lot of "angry" 7r fans claiming you were wrong but you didnt get those, therefore you are complaining that your bait didn't work? i dont get it
>>739133346That's what I figured. Thank you very much. We'll be more careful next time.
>>739133401Also the criticism has to be objective and I have to agree with it.
>>739133428Naturally.
>>739133349>7r fans claiming you were wrong but you didnt get thoseOf course not, because I was right
>>739132920Efforts are fine IN JAPANESE.They are unnatural when verbalized in English outside of sighs. English speakers use non-verbals for most Japanese efforts.9/10 efforts replaced with silence improves the dub significantly.
>>739133069Then for the record, part 3 will be the end of the original game’s story and will be a complete experience with the other two games. Will SE make more FFVII games?, it’s almost unavoidable. The assets are already there and their cost must be recouped, they are already putting new FFVII content out with Ever Crisis, so a new game, be it a remake or a brand new FFVII thing is almost certain. Maybe it’ll expand on what comes after the original but Dirge and AC already did that so there’s nothing really new under the sun.
>>739133492Makes sense. If they thought you were wrong they would have said so, but nobody did.
>>739133492I think people just dismiss you for being stupid.
>>739133551Yeah, you're right. >>739129017 is 100% correct.
