What's with the gigantic push of the Adeptus Mechanicus and adjacent allies lately by Games Workshop?>Space Marine 2 recently saw the Techmarine class added to the game>Skitarii Alpha class confirmed as the next character for Darktide>Rogue Trader is getting a new AdMech companion>Dawn of War 4 prominently showing off the AdMech as a playable factionI know there's more, but these are the most recent exmaples.
>>739104541>>Rogue Trader is getting a new AdMech companionThis makes me beyond mad, fuck both owlfucks and gwAnyway, someone posted a list, adniggers are selling like shit, so im guessing they're trying to fix it by using games as fucking ads
>>739104541Their models are expensive and you probably don't have them yetThat's literally it
>>739104840>Anyway, someone posted a list, adniggers are selling like shitThis is inherently because AdMech are by far the worst models to paint and new players are always told this when asking for recommendations. They're incredibly complex with tons of little details, nooks and crannies etc. Every model is almost as bad as the infamous Heldrake.Inversely, Necrons sell pretty well because they're incredibly simple to paint, and are one of the more popular non-Astartes model kits.
>>739104541It's called brand synergy. GW did the same thing last year with the release of the Imperial Agents Codex and multiple games featuring the Arbites.
>>739104898Doesnt help the Admech ges nothing but shit designs in 40k while HH Mechanicum got real good stuff.
I personally think the Mechanicus are the fallback after the female Custodes disaster.
>>739105081>female Custodes disasterWhatever happened with that shitshow? Last i heard the shipments were delayed and the sales were abysmal
admech as anything but bit players is lame
>>739105165>Literally the second head of the Emperor's Aquila>Earth and Mars united>Bit players
>>739104541Reddit faction
I did wonder why Space Marine 1 was written to not have any despite taking place on a forge world. They just had to all die honorably before you got there and not leave remains.
>>739105157Sales were so bad that GW wound up not shipping them at all.
>>739105213More Reddit than Ultramarines?
>>739104541This is good, they are great and deserve to appear more.But the real reason is because this game was a success.https://youtu.be/9gIMZ0WyY88?si=fbgdz0CziAPygyEx
>>739105157It's been swiftly abandoned to the point of a borderline retcon. That Warhammer animation with the giga-joweled femCustodes happened and then the concept vanished into the ether because nobody was pre-ordering the new models.I've seen a few people say GW is focusing on the Mechanicus more and more lately because they've always had female troopers, they're strong but not overpowered, and their mechanical augmentations remove any physical or mental limitations regarding the sexes. Which would have been the smart move from the beginning, this was the middle ground regarding appealing to the magical new female audience while not pissing off existing players, mainly because men want to fuck cute AdMech girls.
>>739105253They never got shipped? Thats hilarious
>>739104926This horrible marketing gimmick triggers visceral digust in most people
>>739105309he is lying on the internet againthere were more female custodes in their last model release and they're doing fine
>>739105521They sold like garbage, and model sales dictate future support.
>>739104541Because I like the AdMech and want more of them
>>739105559Source?
>>739105735It came to me in a dream
>>739105735Do you not play the tabletop? There's a reason the White Scars and Raven Guard see some of the lowest amount of new support kits, they don't fucking sell as they are, nobody plays them.
>>739104541They're cool. Is that so wrong?
>>739104541the real question is why is one of biggest and most influential factions in the setting only just now getting attention?
>>739105815But why doesn't *MY FAVORITE FACTION* get any support, hm? I think *MY FAVORITE FACTION* should appear in every video game instead!
>>739105215Admech and Skitarii as a separate army with models didn't exist until 2015. They were a footnote in fluff and so this is how they appeared in SM1 as well.
>>739105157They've been quietly trying to recall all of the boxes of unsold Custodes product. It hasn't been going well, but when you retcon decades of lore through a fucking social media tweet, what did they expect to happen? That the new codex is also very underwhelming for the banana men, that doesn't help either.
>>739105958Well that would explain it.
>>739105302I have never been so fucking disappointed in a demo than I have for the sequel.
>>7391059587th ed was GW throwing basically anything at the wall to help deal with the competition they had from other companies....that would later solve itself because said competition sabotaged themselves. Which happens far too often to just be coincidence.
>>739105075 a lot of that is due to the weird conflict between the design teams in GW, since Ad Mech are a Jes Goodwin Feifdon like Eldar
>>739105952Because no one cares about your glup shitto fleet based marine chapter.
>>739105075Their 40k stuff is fine, but I am still mad that thallax are still trapped in The Marine Soap Opera Heresy. Especially since the new 40k ad mech character, Thulia Ghuld is straight up confirmed to be a member of the Ordo Reductor, meaning they still exist in 40K, which means there are zero lore reasons to not have thallax in 40K.
I think Hadron-Omega gave people boners and it spiralled from there.
>>739105814I'd like to see the sales figures of the fem custodes that released less than a month ago.
>>739105998>They've been quietly trying to recall all of the boxes of unsold Custodes productLet me guess: It came to you in a dream?>but when you retcon decades of lore through a fucking social media tweet, what did they expect to happen?Historical revisionism: It happened in a codex. Once you learn about how right wingers operate it's like talking to a child or a AI. The same patterns repeat over and over again.
>>739105887Because 40k has slowly warped itself to be more and more about space marines. With even the rest of the Imperium becoming less important. Steps were taken to change that, some good and some bad.
>>739104541Admech is cool.
>>739106241Khepra helped too. And Scaevola is a hilarious asshole.
>>739106264>Bringing politics into financials
>>739106241I hate this. Why do coomers always corrupt the female form into ridiculous abominations. It's like when the troons dress as women and give themselves mega tits.
>>739106264How many Femstodes boxes have you bought?
>>739106264
it was my first army i tried to paint and I would rather kill myself than continue but they look cool
>>739104840Games Workshop doesn't make these fucking games you clowns. They are licensed.
>>739105998The worst part of that is that they honestly could have handled it a lot better>custodes are each individually custom gene-crafted from infancy, which has always been in the lore, and the only requirement was to have an incorruptible soul. The sex of the baby doesnt matter when youre pretty much building them from the ground up anyway.>also youve never really heard of any female custard crew because there are only a handful of them in the 10,000 and custodes have been sulking in the palace for the last 10,000 years, we're only seeing them now because Rawbooty told them to go outside and play.But no, they pulled a "token has always been named tolkein" because GW seems to actively hate their audience.
>>739105887
>>739105308GW has been hard at work making all their women ugly and unlikable, they are never creating a cute admech girl. It'll exist solely in the minds of its fans.I cannot understate how much I hate GW
>>739106264Negative troon, the codex said that they recruited from the noble houses, but didn't explicitly say there female custodes yet. The tweet is where they just went and said it about as unceremoniously as possible. Secondly, it came to me from my local store that took them down when his supplier said they would reimburse him the cost. Considering GW expects stores to have an entire section of their store devoted to their product alone, recalling any of it will be noticed. Seethe harder, tranny. Nobody likes your gay bullshit.
>>739106317Go to fucking Bluesky nigger, where every sissy axe wound whines about tits and ass.
>>739105308Thats a lie, new HH modes for custodes had female faces. So now they showed up in animation, codexes, black library books and model line. A line was crosed and female custodes are here to stay.
>>739106317It's the same hypocrites who complain about muh fem bananas.
>>739106063Anything GW is directly involved in turns to shit. Vermintide was good because they just killed whfb and were hands off with it. Same with total war 1 and 2. Vermintide is still good in a lot of ways but they made the skaven take a backseat in their own fucking game and tw3 has been a disaster. All the new ToW shit is awful and chaos is even more flanderized than it was. Only the untouched stuff like ogres and chorfs were any good
>>739104541because perturabo is coming back so they push out robot themed stuff, also ferrus manus will come back too
>>739105814>do you have a source>YOU'RE A SECONDARY!!every time
>>739105814>Do you not play the tabletop?I do.First up: Most people that play Custodes already have a Custodes army. This isn't Space Marines getting Primaris Interjectors. Second of all: It's not a 40K release, but a release for Horus Heresy. A generally more niche game that GW has taken steps to separate from it's bigger and less complicated cousin. Even so, most of what I've heard about the HH Plastic Custodes is a combination of "Cool" and "I wish the Blood Angel refresh looked like this". I don't play 30K, but since my local club has generally pretty mild rules towards count as I would not be surprised if I spot them among the next Custodes player I see.>There's a reason the White Scars and Raven Guard see some of the lowest amount of new support kits,White scars and Raven Guard don't sell because they don't have kits. The amount of kits they have can be counted on hand, two if you include the extra bits. They are generally more popular in 30K, where they also get more kits funnily enough. I'll also add that white scars are uniquely fucked and it's pretty silly to compare them to Raven Guard. Yes, Raven Guard is fairly unpopular and have some pretty big issues (Wow, another black and white Space Marine chapter?), but their general niche of "Stealthy marines" do give them some fans. White scars meanwhile... If you want to play Bikes, you go to Dark Angels. If you want to play Melee marines, you go to Blood Angels. Space Wolves, Black Templars, or even fucking Deathwatch. If you want to go Psyker heavy... You are mostly lacking in options but Blood Angels at least have psychic dreads and a Librarian with a giant axe
>>739106423Why would I do that?
>>739106345Not even that, it could have just been something new precisely because Rawbooty told them to go out and play, people would have been annoyed because how obvious the intentions would have been, but no one would have any problem with it if would have been just new lore instead of this pathetic retcon attempt and then gaslighting about it
They're building up for the Mechanicus to have a schism with Terra ala the Great Schism, with the Empire being Catholic and the Mechanicus being OrthodoxSource: It came to me in a dream
>>739106464Nah, GW carries FatsharkDarktide only gets good when GW gets involved so when they force them to add Arbites or Skitarii. The second GW relents, Fatshit relapses into rejectfaggotry and makes garbage like hive scumIf GW forced Fatshark to adapt Blackstone Fortress instead, game would be better. Just like when they forced them to make actually new weapon for Warrior Priest instead of just reusing Flail.GW involvement drags down Owlcat though. But Fatshark should be bullied by GW relentlessly.
>>739106321I understand perfectly well that you are a subhuman and that is what this discussion is about. >>739106318I haven't bought shit this entire edition since I've mostly been buying Bloodbowl. I did buy Cathay for Old World though, which has girlbosses and female soldiers. >>739106302>PoliticsRIght wingers being subhumans is a non political issue in the same way vermin scurrying around your house is a non political issue.
>>739106494>also ferrus manus will come back tooFerrus is about as dead as Sanguinius, I don't think he's coming back.
>>739106448>new HH modes for custodes had female facesfemale bodies The spue is an even split between male and female bodies
Necrons became too popular. So in effort to curb that popularity and also profit from it, GW started pushing AdMech.
man I've got to finish painting my skitarii
>>739106525If you weren't a blatant secondary, you'd know factions and Chapters that don't sell don't get any real support. Again, how many Raven Guard support packs exist compared to the Ultrasmurfs? Oh right, it's a ratio of like 15:1.>>739106549>White scars and Raven Guard don't sell because they don't have kits. They have no kits because they don't sell. You have the complete wrong end of the stick. If people playing the TT loved the Raven Guard en masse, GW would start making more kits. We literally see this in video game format, where the Raven Guard are actually very popular as a Chapter in Space Marine 2, are one of the few Chapters to get both an individual cosmetic pack and a Champion skin, with the only other Chapter getting this treatment post-release being the Imperial Fists.
>>739106365>The tweet is where they just went and said it about as unceremoniously as possible.The tweet only happened because somebody directly asked them after having read the codex. It wasn't vague, it was fairly obviously.>Secondly, it came to me from my local store that took them down when his supplier said they would reimburse him the cost1: And then the entire bus clapped, right? 2: Even if it's true, and lol it's not, then that's still not evidence. 3: If you want personal evidence: 99% of non GW stores don't stock Horus Heresy kits because it's a niche game. Same reason most stores don't stock Bloodbowl, Necromunda, Old World, or even Kill Team (Though I have seen a kit or two floating around for that game)
>>739106630Necron popularity is a shill campaign. I've never seen a faction added and so quickly get access to the universe nukes.
>>739106625My bad, last time I saw those models was during the stream reveal
>Custodestroon multi-quoting and losing its shit
>>739106241Why would a tech cult worshipping society have big breasts when flesh is weakness
>>739106586The Fabricator-General is a Highlord of Terra. So. Like. He's gonna rebel against himself?
>>739106596>garbage like hive scumthe necromunda ad you mean?
>>739106738You fool, you are like the Iron Hands. Flesh is weak only in its strength and longevity. The Omnissiah understands that gigantic synthetic breasts that can lactate strawberry milkshake are superior.
>>739106683>factions that don't get any support don't sell wellwow gee thank you GW marketing genius I wonder why that is
>>739106756no
>>739106683>They have no kits because they don't sell. They literally never had kits. > If people playing the TT loved the Raven Guard en masse, GW would start making more kits1: I'm going to be generous and say over 60% of the fanbase wouldn't go "Yay! More raven guard!" but rather "Booo! More space Marines." if they actually got a update. 2: GW has made kits for less popular subfactions before.
>>739106738Coolant tanks, or batteries, or extra memory.
>>739106596Darktide isn't good and it was supposedly written by dan abnett, not fartshark. The entire rejects shit wasn't their call
>>739106690Lying comes as easy as breathing to you, doesn't it? You admit the tweet happened, but still refuse to admit that it directly lead to a decrease in sales. Which also led to the recalls. But we can't go acknowledging reality, because then the game would be up.Go dodge traffic on a highway.
Knowing GW, the tens of millions of dollars that went into making this content for all these games from all these different companies is all in service of selling their minis to the miniscule tabletop audience.
>>739106812you need to take a break from free cities lil bro
>>739106821>They literally never had kits.30K?Primaris upgrade kits?Be more specific.
>>739106609What about sanguinor
>>739106841It was. Fatshark always had mudcore mindset, which does not fit games they make
>>739106549>Most people that play Custodes already have a Custodes army.ThisCustodes were my first army, and it's basically evergreen. Relatively small units, each one can be decorated somewhat independently, so you really kinda can just take your old Shield Captain, make him into a regular banana, and kit someone else into the new biker banana boss or whatever.I actually don't care one way or the other about female custodes, but my custodes needs are met forever. That was part of the point, they're the cheapest, lowest maintainance army for a reason
>>739106723The fuck? Necron were existential universe threat on their inception, they were actively brought down from their old lore into silly whimsy tomb kangs to combat that.
>>739106241This is so fucking shit
>>739106723t. has no idea what hes talking about
>>739106812This, it is also canon that the Ad Mech can make subtle augments and has purely cosmetic cybernetics that serve no purpose beyond making someone more attractive(they just don't usually make use of them themselves because they don't give a shit). They actually sent an ambassador to Earth once during the great crusade era that was engineered for maximum attractiveness, and they did a good enough job that even Sanguinius remarked on how good she looked.
>>739106862>30K I don't see any indication that they aren't selling in 30K nor do they have a abnormally low amount of kits in 30K even compared to obvious favorites like Ultramarines.>Primaris upgrade kits?Those don't sell for fucking Ultramarines, let alone Raven Guard. >>739106846> but still refuse to admit that it directly lead to a decrease in sales. It came to you in a dream? Because GW is doing just fine saleswise.
Space marines have been flandarized If you like space marines you're literally just a drooling retard that probably watches sports balls and marvel movies
>>739106884What the fuck is mudcore
Sanguinius will return just like Guilliman. Just replace Eldar with Necrons, and slap him with some necrodermis. Done. NotJesus cyborg is now is here to give heart attack to BA and xenohaters.
>>739106494They confirmed only alive Loyalist Primarchs are Guilliman and LionADB is current loremaster, grimdark purist and he doesn't like Primarchs being around
>>739106881Sanguinor is not Sanguinius. They are connected, but they are not the same.
>>739106328>Games Workshop doesn't make these fucking games you clownsThey dictate what can and cant be made. Yeah, im sure all these games are having suddenly an admech push, that they all came up on their own, separately
>>739106884Vermintide isn't very Mudcore in fact the characters in that game are pretty OP by in-universe standards
>>739106997Nuhammer in general has been. ToW looks like compete shit too
>>739107019Corax showed up already however
>>739107043>They dictate what can and cant be madeYou wish. It's just a common dev excuse and say shit like 'Company told us not to do X'.
>>739107024That won't stop GW if they want to bring him back
>>739107069compare it's designs to other warhammer games
>>739106991>>Primaris upgrade kits?>Those don't sell for fucking Ultramarines, let alone Raven Guard.Considering they're currently mandatory for RG players to get beakies which are a huge part of the aesthetic, and GW isn't selling the RG Combat Patrol kit at any of their stores, they do sell in regards to that specific playerbase. Hence the problem, they don't sell enough because very few people play RG.
>>739105287more reddit than salamanders
>>739107043Trends exist. And I find it dubious that Games Workshop would build this into the licensing contracts of games when that strategy for selling more minis makes no fucking sense.Games Workshop doesn't care if you play Mechanicus or Chaos or shove the minis up your asshole so long as you buy them.
>>739106997>Space marines have been flandarizedThat implies they were ever good.
>>739107136>Considering they're currently mandatory for RG players to get beakies>MandatoryIt's called kitbashing and it's not just Ork players that do it.
>>739107107>we all just simultaneously happened to have the exact same idea for new additions to our entirely different games and timed them to GW's skull festival for the memes
>>739107148Actually not necessarilySomething not good, can still be flanderized.
>>739107008grimdark, low stakes, everything is covered in mud, rust and shit, everything is uneducated plebs who can't enact any change on the setting or defeat the bad guys in everything but a slow, inevitable, long defeat.it's a common WFRP or Dark Heresy Oeuvre
>>739107081it's overhttps://youtu.be/QEJQomLZy68?si=Xiw23AfsV385fXt8&t=86Dorn is already back. As a tank
>Akshually, people don't want to pay $60 for doodads and gizmos on top of their $120 Space Dude box and $70 Citadel Paints for this board game they'll play a couple times a year because [obscure lore reasons nobody cares about]
>>739106991>It came to you in a dreamAbout as solid a defense as "they don't agree with me politically, so they're always wrong"But hey, you believe blatant lies as the norm, so truth is an alien concept to you.
>>739107264Nothing about their games have been more grimderp or muddy than GW's usual shit. The main character in vermintide are pretty strong, everyone but kruber is pretty smart and even he has more cultural knowledge on the empire, he was a captain and everyone else is some kind of specialist. The red moon inn was comfy as fuck. What exactly had been so muddy about vermintide?
>>739106976>>739106812A lot of AdMech keep their human vocal chords too, or a very close imitation, for no reason other than a lot of them still want to hear their own voice, even though they consider it inefficient. They're able to instantly transfer knowledge to one another via binharic, yet they'll often just want to talk to one another.A lot of people confuse the AdMech's mentality regarding cybernetic augmentation with that of the Iron Hands. Even the AdMech think the Iron Hands go too far with that shit. AdMech believe machines are superior, but they still find some beauty in life, hence why they have biology experts who tinker and toil with genetic engineering instead of machines.
>>739107264>WFRP or Dark HeresyEntirely depends on the GM, real mudcore has its own dedicated games
>>739107129Stormfiends have really shown up in any other games outside of Vermintide yet
>>739107008>everyone is a bandit or a mercenary (which is essentially the same)>everyone is piss poor and miserable>everything looks like shit>peoples diet consist of rape, murder and starvation>everyone is a single digit IQ omega retard >all people constantly backstab each other and are as small minded as possible
>>739105952I mean my first proper intro to them was pic rel.She's my favorite character in Darktide, next to Morrow.
Are retards really trying to argue that female Custodes didn't have a negative financial impact when you can literally see Games Workshop's stock plummeted when they announced them?
>>739107264>low stakes>can't change anythingyou are one of maybe the 1% of people that enjoy these stories/gamesOwlcat Dark Heresy is already getting criticism for being such a drastic step back from their regular power fantasiesliterally who wants to get home and roleplay as a dead end wageslave
>>739107353>What exactly had been so muddy about vermintide?IDK, I was a different anon, I was trying to explain what Mudcore was in the context of Warhammer I generally wouldn't call Fatshark games Mudcore
>>739107363I think people often forget that "Ad-Mech" is not one faction of people that think the exact same way about everything. While there are a lot of things that would be considered heresy, there is enough variance between individual tech priests that you can have some pretty varied thought on their stance towards Flesh.
>>739107481>literally who wants to get home and roleplay as a dead end wageslavethe polish
>>739107008
>>739107470>At the same timeIt literally doesn't according to the fucking thing you showed.
Daily reminder that we're NOBLEBRIGHT 40k
>>739107008>>739107550
>>739106317it improves morale and keeps their minds off of heresy
>>739107582this is just one note pony miseryporn that isn't realistic to life or very interesting
>>739107582Local lord posting was worst thing that came from /tg/
>>739107647anon, it's a mockery of stuff like Autumn Tale
>>739107564https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mdp0kzdk/the-new-year-preview-all-new-legio-custodes-revealed/
>>739107647>that isn't realistic to lifeIt's a pretty accurate description what Germany was like during the Thirty Year war.
>>739107680I'm wasting my time in a 40k thread on /v/ nigga you think I read real books?
>>739107692>When they announced themWhich would have been the tweet, according to you.
>>739107718Life being miserable during war isn't that surprising.
>>739107429None of those apply to vermintide though
>>739107759Life being miserable isn't that surprising* FTFY
>>739107138What even are the non-reddit factions?SM - redditAdmech - redditIG - redditKnights (both) - redditNecrons - mega redditCustodes - mega redditCSM - mega redditGenestealers - kinda redditTyranids - not sure about reddit but it's the girl faction, if you play this as a guy you're probably mega fruitySo what's left?Orks and knife ears? Are they not reddit?Votann and demons because of how irrelevant they are?40k as a whole feels pretty reddit. I feel like people have moved on to specialist games or stopped playing altogether.
>>739107719>40K was made by people with a deep and longrunning interest in actual history and literature. >Nowadays all of it's fans are proudly illiterate and it's this cancer that is making more 40K content.Shit like this, not femcustodes, is what will eventually kill 40K. Inbreeding is a cancer.
>>739107769Life is great and basicaly best thing ever
>>73910775930 Year War was uniquely awful even compared to other wars. Only world war 1 and 2 come close in European history.
>>739107769Well that heavily depends on where you are, if life is miserable or not. Being a poor as fuck Indian child about to be sacrificed to find a cellphone would indeed be pretty miserable. Being a wealthy Chinese autocrat who snorts crack off a hookers ass would be significantly less miserable.
>>739105308I don't understand, they already had a female audience, and they all played tyranids and drukhari
>>739107751>according to you.Try again retard
>>739107783Modern 40k is a reddit property
>>739107783Orks are a comic relief so they are redditVotann are the dei factions so they are redditEldar are based white supremacists so they aren't reddit
>>739107783All of 40K is reddit.>I feel like people have moved on to specialist games or stopped playing altogether.Most people I know are weird autists or normies.
>>739107871You're talking to a /r Sigmarxism redditor, he's not going try very hard.
>>739107871>Try againSo you are moving the goalpost?
>>739107783>Orks and knife ears? Are they not reddit?Quintessential reddit
>>739107859What if the Tyranids just invaded planets with sexy alien warriors who collected our genetic mass through our cocks? Wouldn't that make more sense?
>>739107795It was made by bongs that thought closeted gay jokes and football hooligans were peak comedy I think you're giving James too much credit
>>739107783Imperial Guard so long as you aren't Cadian, Krieg, or Catachan.
>>739107859Tyranids and Dark Eldar aren't the face of the franchise. Wokoids want to change the Imperium as a form of cultural and ideological conquest.
>>739107976>It was made by bongs that thought closeted gay jokes and football hooligans were peak comedy You can have that and also a clear love of history.Early GW was firmly rooted in historical wargaming and every step away from that has made it worse. Armies like IG went from creative exercises encouraging you to kitbash historical models into sci fi armies to rehashes of rehashes.
>>739107942I fucking knew you were going to try this, I'm a different person, retard, I didn't fucking quote you for a fucking reason, I'm not talking about the tweet
>>739107986This
>>739108008>Wokoids want to change the Imperium as a form of cultural and ideological conquest.Based?
>>739107859they are for the musclemommy enjoyers not little girlsthe issue isn't female custodes existing the issue is they can't/won't sculpt them hot enough for gooners to buy
>>739105287Ultramarines haven't been reddit in around 15 years since Matt Ward stopped being a thing unc, the Salamanders dethroned them a while ago.
>>739108042>I-I'm a different personOkay, anon. You could just go NTA and not sound like the previous moron trying to push his obvious bullshit if you want to sound believable. Lesson for the future, I suppose. Not that you are capable of learning.
>>739107986>Vostroyan Firstborn models almost gone>Valhallan Ice Warriors also nearly gone>Armageddon Steel Legions basically swapped out with Krieg>Mordian Iron Guard practically deadI member when GW made a bunch of different IG models just for the hell of it.
>>739107859the issue is that they look like progressive activist shit instead of hot girls
>>739107783Damn seeing the list of factions like this is kind of an eye opener of how hard it actually is to think of anything that's still "cool" in 40kNuns with guns and tau are missing from your list but adding them somehow makes it even worseHow did it come to this?Is the marvelization fo the setting through the HH novels to blame?
>>739108104Says the faggot that didn't even know the date when they announced what he's trying to defend. And you still haven't addressed the fact that their stock went down, by the way
>>739108185Fun fact: In the Dubai dub, this is voiced by a man and treat as such lmao.
>>739108185change the hairstyle and this could be a dude
>>739108148>Vostroyan Firstborn models almost goneanon you can literally buy those right now from the GW Webstore>https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/astra-militarum-vostroyan-platoon-mto-2026
>>73910778340k is reddit hobby, play konflikt 47
>>739108205If you thought anything in 40k was ever cool you should be executed by a firing squad.
>>739108209>Announced what he's trying to defendBecause that wasn't what the discusion was about?>And you still haven't addressed the fact that their stock went down, by the wayWhy would stocks go down in january? I wonder...
>>739108205Different generation of writers, that don't like the setting, don't understand the setting, but want to change it to something they DO understand. Hence the sudden shift of the setting being a big sandbox pseudo historical to a kind of drama where everything focuses around named characters and whatever it is they're doing.
>>739104541idk man but I'm really fucking sick of it, admech are insanely cringe and trying to pretend like they have some sort of actual army (skitari) is cringe and incredibly fucking gaythe empire would NEVER allow these freaks to have their own serious military force much less one full of cyborgs and robots
>>739104898>I'm new>I have a necro armyBeing immune to psychology is based.
>>739108148You forgot any airborne regiment like Elysians or Warhawks.
>>739107795In defense of that anon, jesienna gawęda fucking sucks and is nothing more that series of glorified articles. There is nothing to be gained from reading it
>>739108289I accept your concession
>>739108309Warhawks never had modelsElysians getting squatted has more to do with the split between SGS and the mainline GW studio
>>739108205>Is the marvelization fo the setting through the HH novels to blame?People were already saying my chapter could beat your chapter for as long as this hobby been alive. Today it's just my Primarch could beat your Primarch.
>>739108221>Made to order>Online onlyTechnically true, but still a little disappointing. The others however, don't even appear anymore.
>>739108335Same for you.
>>739107895>Eldar are based white supremacists so they aren't redditThis but completely unironically. Total Mon'Keigh death. Hail Asurmen.
>>739108458The children of Asuryan shall rise again!
>>739105814>>739106683Trannytop quaternary melty
>>739108479>>739108458>Dying race who deserve to go extinct>White nationalists feel kinship with themLol.
>>739108508>Doesn't understand fiction>Thinks people unironically agree with things they read in fictionHow would you feel if you didn't have breakfast?
>>739107795>deep and longrunning interest in actual historyNigger you dumb. Warhammer was made Warhammer was made because some fucking dorks really liked pulp science fiction and fantasy novels. What fucking historical persons are Tic Tac Toe and Obi Wan Sherlock Clousseau based on?
>>739108508Any person of european descent that is actually racially conscious and aware of the sorry state of our civilization would feel kinship with the state of the Eldar far more than with the Imperium given the prospects we face irl.
>>739108549>Ignoring armies like ig>ignoring actual historical influences in early orks and eldar.>Ignoring the actual historical models gw used to sell.
>>739108547People can't image breakfast, anon
>>739108479Based
>EldarSorry but CHADcrons replaced Eldar in almost every way now. And on psyker side of things you have TS doing a better job.
>>739108584eldar have nothing to do with white culture, except for summoning slanesh (lgbt+) into existence
>>739108584I feel kinship with the other people, the actual humans, who want to wipe this worthless group of parasites out.
>>739108613>>Ignoring the actual historical models gw used to sell.they didn't sell them for long
>>73910864540k humans are jeets/niggers
>>739108508>umm so putin is like sauronyou're one of those huh
>>739108664They actually did since many of them ended up in WHFB ranges.
>>739108620Are you sure about that?
tranny faction
>>739108680Nope. You are, and I think it's funny you feel kinship with the people even the narration describes as getting what they deserved.
>>739108640Tomb Kangz in space will never catch the actual kino vibe of the Eldar. They simply have worse lore, and far, far worse aesthetics than the Eldar do. Aesthetically the Eldar are at the apex of 40k. They are the brainchild of the best designer GW has ever had, Jess Goodwin and he managed to create an unique, and coherent aesthetic language for the Eldar as a whole, ranging from the Craftworlders to the Dark Eldar, which retains both distinct flair for the different eldar factions, while also clearly still maintaining a shared overall language in terms of forms and shapes.
>>739108642Eldar aesthetics and culture are heavily coded after European paganism actually.
>>739108717The AdMech could actually achieve an acceptable level of trannyism so nobody would care.IRL troons bad because they all look like freaks.
>>739106423Unlike them, I'll pass.
>>739108759The concept art book of the Eldar that GW sold at one point is a treasure trove of Goodwin's designs.
>>739107489I wouldn't call warhammer fantasy in general mudcore because half the time the empire is on the verge of an industrial revolution that'll sweep the bullshit forces of evil away entirelyhalf the writers want the setting to be nothing but a few points of light amidst a sea of impenetrable darkness where entire armies on the march get swallowed up by horrors in the woods while the other half wants it to just be regular late medieval/early renaissance era with the forests being a little extra dangerous to support all the towns necessary to make civilization actually function.
>>739108642>Self destructive idiots responsible for how shit the universe isNah, sounds like whites.
>>739108759I like portions of the Eldar. The designs, the lore of being the last of a once great empire with the survivors essentially being the extremist traditionalists who saw the writing on the wall and left or the remnants of said debauched society still doing what they used to do only more so. Or the once grander theme of generational decay in 40k as a whole, The Necrons once ruled the galaxy before going to a long slumber when things weren't going so well, then the Eldar took over and fell, now humanity is next in line. A setting built on "things were better in the past, now it's gone to shit and we're barely holding it together"
>>739108759Problem with Eldar is that their characters are boring AND their lore is irrelevant.
>>739108679This. Imperium is racially egalitarian empire anyways. It is funny how supposedly "based" tourists to this hobby think that the imperium is some sort of white supremacist empire and get extremely upset over nignog representation when nothing in the lore of the Imperium has ever said that there were policies of racial discrimination within the imperium. The imperium is racist towards non humans, abhumans and mutants, not actual human races.
>>739107986Mordians, Praetorians, Harakoni
>>739107783Just because faggots got into something doesn't mean you cant enjoy it still. Sny fanbase is going to be aids when you look at the vast majority of losers partaking in the same thing you like. Just enjoy the shit you like and stop worrying about the gay redditor children.
>>739108885It really depends on the edition, like 6th edition WFB or 2nd WFRP, and of course Mordheim are very Mudcore, but it's not universal to every game's edition
>>739108963>non humans, abhumans and mutants,Yep, white nationalists.Reminder that 90% of actual nazis looked like furless Skaven.
>>739108642Eldar, like all Elves in all settings, are the ones with advanced technology, high culture ancient history, being naturally better and with lower birth ratesHumans in 40k are dumb, ugly, disgusting, breed like rabbits, swarm and destroy everything, while stealing tech from their bettersIdentical situation like in the Witcher really
>>739109027>all Elves in all settings>advanced technology
>>739109053yes
>>739109053He's mistaking elves for dwarves, who for some reason are depicted pretty regularly as having technology well above everyone else who gets stuck in a medieval level dark age.
>>739108946Yeah, the eldar embody the overall "everything is in decline" theme of the setting very well. Though I am quite fond of the whole rage against the dying of the light vibe they have going on as well. Avatar's of Khaine are one of my favorite examples of Eldar lore and models all together. The way they are described, look and how they are awoken is all metal as fuck to me. The whole idea of the Eldar sacrificing one of their own just to rouse an idol of their dead war god to fight once more is just peak stuff for me.>>739108952The lore and characters are just backdrops for what you do with your plastic dudes m8.
>>739109081>Eldar are actually tall dwarvesoh fug
Great, the Eldar wehraboos have crawled out of the woodworks to sniff their own farts.
>>739109105>Lore doesn't matterWhatever you say, Ynnari IS and always WILL BE one of the biggest fuck ups in 40k
>>739109105He was also probably the best monstrous creature super unit in DoW1. Gave army wide buffs, didn't slowly kill himself with an hp drain when not in combat, could still beat things to death personally if necessary. DoW1 Eldar are obnoxious fuckers, but this guy makes them go from hit and run shitheads to brawlers willing to throw down with even CSM in a straight fight.
>>739109053Most elves in ficiton are based on Tolkien's elves who arguably did have the best technology in all of middle earth, their technology was just founded on magic and extremely high artisanship.
>>739109105>The lore and characters are just backdrops for what you do with your plastic dudes m8.I get that but eldar feel very limited nowadays. Orks, Space Marines, Necrons, Chaos Space Marines, IG, and even imperial knights are way better for your guy appeal.
>>739109218>their technology was just founded on magicThat's not technology, I don't care if you bring out that Clarke quoteMelkor and Sauron represent technology
>>739109172I didn't say that lore doesn't matter. I said that that lore is the backdrop for what you do with your miniatures. You don't have to give a fuck about the Ynnari stuff if you collect the eldar because you can simply play a different eldar subfaction or just make one up yourself.
>>739109245I think in Middle-earth's history, it was Numenor that was most technologically advanced
>>739109245Melkor and Sauron also based most of their shit on magic though. Melkor used his dark magics to twist the creations of Eru into his servants while the entire art of ringcraft that Sauron taught the Elves and used to create the one ring is based on magic.
Eldar are retarded and boring>We were like the best but now we suck and die like chumps while we do gay dancesNecrons are coolerChaos really should be an easy seller for 40k but they raped it so hard that they've all become a joke and everyone wants edgelord shit like malice to wipe chaos cringe away
>NecronsI do like them. I just wish they weren't just Tomb Kangz in space. Also their infantry is so rigid-looking. Only leaders, monoliths and canoptek stuff looks fun.
>>739109302>Chaos really should beThey are.Best army 3 editions in a row.
>>739109317>Not tomb kangzWhat else would they be? How else would you do monarchy robots?
>>739109229I don't really see how you can make such a claim. The Eldar are no more limited in that aspect than any other faction in the setting is. Just like you can come up with your own hivelfeet for the tyranids for example, you can just come up with your own craftworld, just the same as you can play as one of the established craftworlds/hive fleets. I genuinely don't get the whole "muh characters" complaint because I personally have never wanted named characters in my armies, I was iffy about using phoenix lords because I wanted to keep my dudes my own rather than use established characters in my forces. The whole appeal of 40k for me when I was a wee lad was in the creative aspect of it, I still long for the days when you could customize your warlords/leader characters to your heart's content.
>>739109302The issue with eldar is that they lost everything that made high elves cool. They have zero justification for their arrogance and don't even have a proper rivalry like asur have with druchii since the necrons are also post mortem jobbers who are terrified of the old ones coming back and raping them. The translation to sci-fi wiped out anything that made them complex or even likeable just for le monkeigh shit when asur already loudly detested how much human cities smelled like shit
>>739109325Chaos, or one of the mono-god specific armies? I don't like that I have to make that distinction, but tabletop is filled with all these fucking sub-factions these days.
>>739109245>>739109218Fantasy tech isn't linear. It's even more telling in 40k where even minor xenos have their own advanced tech not shared with other factions. Well, except for Humans which just ripped off Eldar tech but worse.In general Elves always have the best tech in every way, craftmanship, armory, magic, architecture etc. At worst they don't use gunpowder, which they don't need anyway because their tech is better anyway>>739109302>We were like the best but now we suck and die like chumps while we do gay dancesNecrons are fallen civilization as well. It's literally no different from Eldar.
>>739109298Melkor specifically poured his power into reforming mountains to house all his industry>>739109294There might be a case for this given they built all the fortresses and stuff like Orthanc
Worth playing the first game before the second ones comes out?
>>739109373Three Kingdoms but undead robots?
>>739109373Hellenistic Kingdoms
>>739109424yes
>>739109391I find craftsworlds pretty limited in general, frankly. Have the same issue with Hive fleets.
>>739109456Like Egypt? :^)
>>739109475Which was just a part, not the whole thing. Anything else, disingenuous moron?
>>739109373Like they did in 3ed.
>>739109394Normal CSM.
>>739109424Very good turn based combat strategy game, the Admech here are more alien then the actual alien robots. They don't even speak a language you could understand, they speak in binary or some other machine language.
>>739109393The Eldar not having the fucking trite and tired blood feud shit with the Dark Eldar is literally an improvement on their lore over their fantasy counterparts.Because the Dark Eldar and the Craftworld Eldar are more like estranged relatives that barely tolerate each other at times but still work together against mutual foes due to mutual recognition of their shared racial kinship and history and attitude of "eldar lives are worth more than non eldar lives", there is room for far more varied interactions and nuance between the Dark Eldar and the Craftworlders, than there is between the Druchii and the Asur in fantasy.
>>739109393Fantasy elves of every variety are utterly boring. They made generic elves with no twists at all. All their units are boring spearmen and archers/crossbowmen.>They have zero justification for their arroganceRuling galaxy for 60 000 000 years is not enough?> and don't even have a proper rivalry like asur have with druchii40k Elves relations are far more indepth and interesting, yes>The translation to sci-fi wiped out anything that made them complex They are only complex in 40k, which is why 40k lore was backported to Fantasy
>>739109373HRE
>>739109495>Like they didTyranids?
>>739109425>ERM Egyption kings are cringe and gay!>They should be Chinese in flowery dresses instead! That's straight and based!
>>739109474In what way are they any more limited than any other faction in the setting?
>>739109518It isn't because they actually feel like they have a role in fantasy. In 40k they are mostly just the Imperium's bitchy unreliable sidekick.
>>739109523This. The people that glaze the fantasy elves propably only experienced them trough Total war warhammer which at least tried to give them some characterization. The actual lore of the elves in warhammer fantasy is at best mid, and at worst utter dogshit.
>>739109541I was thinking to justify all the backstabbing political bullshit that was incredibly common.
>>739109568Retarded tourist detected. The only reason you'd ever have this opinion is if you have never actually read any Eldar lore or their codexes.
>>739109507>they speak in binarykek I forgot about that shit, that's so stupidelectronics don't use binary because that's the most efficient form of communication, they use it because you can either turn power on or off so you can represent two statesa single syllable of spoken speech (which they can still speak and understand) has way more entropy than 1 bit
>>739109618I haven't read any codexes since I don't buy overly expensive paperweights. Issue with eldars is their role in everything else.
>>739107783Eldar are a Reddit faction because their fanboys are sweaty metafags and self-important pseuds.
>>739109410Necrons were never that strong and were constantly getting beaten down until they rose up They're a race of humbled machines that rage against the world for what they've become Necrons are tragic figures Eldar are gay little dopamine addicted tablet children who have never even shown that they even deserve to be alive as a species let alone pretend like they're the apex of what a civilization should beAll their lore is>Yeah they're the best because they were the best and they beat everyone without even trying but then they scarfed down too many edibles and now they're not the best Eldar lore is fucking shit. Like a child who makes up his own character that's stronger than all the other characters and has all the powers
>>739109518The biggest thing that separates the Dark Elves from the High Elves in fantasy was a major dispute over who was supposed to be the next king, and have been warring about that for quite some time. Ironically the High Elves got the short end of the deal because they've had several since that initial dispute and most of them haven't been particularly good, one even got into a major war with the Dwarfs and lost practically all their colonies in the Old World. Meanwhile the Druchii managed to keep the same (relative) power structure intact and have even expanded their sphere of influence. End Times being shit and saying that Malekith actually WAS supposed to be king but he jumped out of the fire to be a crispy critter instead was and still is fucking stupid though.
Total War secondaries was unironically the worst thing that ever happened to Warhammer
>>739109723Your image says it's only a secondary if you experience it through videos thoughever. So anyone playing a WH vidya isn't a secondary. Sorry that you disproved your own point :)
>>739108645>brownoid feels kinship with the racially diverse, filthy and ignorant hordes who scream for allah.... uhm... i mean the emperor and want to kill all the infidelsi belive you
>>739109536Yes, they were perfect opposite of tyranids.Both were making the two absolute end state of universe. Dead space rocks with no organic life and ever devouring virus of organic life that consumes everything in its path.
>>739109410>always have the best tech in every way, craftmanship, armory, magic, architecture etcDwarfs are better at some of those and competitive in the restElves have the benefit of heroes in respective crafts, autists who have spent literal millennia hyper focused on only the one single thing so they're capable of near miracles but dwarfs have enough similarly dedicated craftsmen that the lack of years makes up for it.>>739109518Its a complete loss because it means they have literally zero role in the narrative. There's a reason why faggots basically try to write out xenos and make 40k a purely human setting about Imperium v Chaos and its because fuckers like the eldar have lost all history and culture. They have zero story, they're narratively dead and exist purely to be "elves but space" instead of actually having the relationships that the actual elves had. Even the same qualities that the high elves had are less dynamic in the eldar because of their changes. The Asur still had poise and hope while being a dying race, eldar are the same as the mud people they disparage >>739109523gay as fuck
>>739109702>saying that Malekith actually WAS supposed to be king but he jumped out of the fire to be a crispy critter instead wasIt checks out and is modestly implied by the fact that Aenarion also burned to fucking cinder then was reborn like a phoenixThe dumb part is pretending like he's still meant to be after several thousand years of helping to ruin the elves. You could maybe say that poisoning the elected 'pretender' to step into the flames himself wasn't enough to disqualify him but every single action after that should be.
>>739109723I care not for your little plastic toys and books, im here because owlcat forcibly dragged me here. I just wanted to play fun rpgs man....
>>739109702I am aware of the lore reasons why Druchii and Asur are divided and hate each other. I just don't find it all that interesting as a foundational civilizational divide. It being basically just a succession dispute over if Malekith gets to be a king or not just feels kind of lame.Plus the justifications for why the Druchii became such absolute sadistic cunts is far weaker imo than the explanation behind the behavior of the Dark Eldar is. For Druchii, their behavior is essentially a choice, whereas for the Dark Eldar it is actually something they are forced to do (partially due to their chosen lifestyle, to be fair) due to the thirst caused by Slaanesh sucking up their souls.Ultimately, the reason why I prefer the Craftworlder & Dark Eldar relations over the Asur & Druchii ones is because it isn't built around just a couple of characters, feels more natural logically stemming from the fall of the Eldar, and most importantly allows for far more varieties of interactions between the Eldar groups ranging from co-operative to antagonistic rather than just being some generations old blood feud.
>>739109868>Owlkek fanFuck off trash
Why am I the only person in the entire world who has played Necromunda Hired Gun? Was /v/ just pretending to care about EYE all along?
>>739109759I feel kinship with white genocide as a whole
>>739109964it's fine but it could have been better.The plot was also boring
>>739110037There is no interesting plot to be had on Necromunda as a whole
>>739109913Even for the Dark Eldar, it's a choice. They can join the Craftworlds, some corsairs and be a pirate, or do anything else that doesn't involve being an evil little shithead but they actively choose to do that anyway. Their less interesting to me because they decided that the same behavior that caused their civilization to collapse is the behavior they're going to continue to do regardless. They doubled down on it all and they never had to, comparing it to a cultural divide brought about by something very real as a people breaking apart over who is supposed to be in charge I found more compelling. I could see the same group of elves diverge into a myriad of different cultures whether it was the Dark Elves, the High Elves, or even the Wood Elves being filthy fucking tree savages.
>>739110016i know that, Muhammad
>>739110052I disagree with the Helmawr succession plotline, and the rise in power of pre-Imperium Ozostium Aranthus was interesting, but was very poorly told imo
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>>739109783You are a fucking retarded secondary. The Eldar lore has always been more or less the same, there is nothing fucking wrong with their "role" in the setting as last vestiges of an once dominant empire, who are fighting for their survival. That is part of the fucking appeal.You subhuman cunts that think there has to be some sort of "grand narrative" to the setting are a blight on 40k. I didn't start collecting eldar because I wanted to read some fucking BL novels about the Eldar, I got into 40k and the eldar because I saw their cool models and lore in a white dwarf article, bought some along with their codex, and was enraptured by the idea of the ancient space elves living on their massive ships scattered across the stars, fighting to survive in a hostile galaxy after their ancestor's hubris and decadence destroyed their empire.That's it, that's the fantasy of the Eldar. The Dark Eldar and the Craftworlders don't need some sort of gay blood feud for the Eldar lore to work, if anything such feud would diminish and contradict the lore because it would make it too personal. Both the Craftworlders and the Dark Eldar are fragments of an once dominant civilization, both are trying to survive and endure in a galaxy that is no longer theirs. They are mirrors to one another, and compliment each other, wanting there to be some retarded personal feud of dark eldar and craftworlders just hating each other would make this dynamic far simpler and less interesting.
>>739109697>Eldar are gay little dopamine addicted tablet children who have never even shown that they even deserve to be alive as a species let alone pretend like they're the apex of what a civilization should beHow so? They, just like Whites, rose to the top and created the best civilization there ever was>Like a child who makes up his own character that's stronger than all the other characters and has all the powersWell, that's clearly not the case given that they can't defeat anyone instantly anymore. Like they did before when they were so advanced, their Iron Knights won wars for them automatically, including against DAoT with Men of Iron still at their side. Clearly they have faults, they were written to have them.>>739109783Fantasy as a whole is a soulless slop with no thought put into it and it couldn't be more clear with Elves of all varieties. Not surprising given that 40k is Priestley setting he made before he even joined GW, while WHFB is a random shit they cobbled together quickly. Which is why Delves are just an awful, lazy Moorcock rip off. Meanwhile Deldar take from Melnibonéans, Cenobites, Punks, Vampires, Frankenstein, Cyberpunk and much more to create a truly interesting synthesis. Same with Eldar and their pagan influences, dead gods, necromantic take on Ents, raygun gothic and dying souls.This extends to units of course. Elves in Fantasy are completely brainded, no customization, no interesting weapons, roles or playstyle. Just Archers/Crossbowmen and Spearmen, at best a Dragon (the worst looking one out of all fantasy settings)Single Deldar unit is cooler, more varied and more customizable than half of a Delf roster
>>739110126I genuinly feel the same way about whites. You hate each other more than you hate others.
>Elf faggotryGo back to /tg/ already you fucks, your shit faction hasn't been in a 40k game in years. You can come back when TW40k is out.
>>739110190You're conflating the blue star clan with whites.
So canonically the WHF planeti s just one planet in 40k but also the entire 40k world is just in some magic globe in WHF?
>>739109964>Was /v/ just pretending to care about EYE all along?yes/v/ only cared about EYE due and through Mandalore videoIt was funny to watch those fake fans expose themselves while complaining about Daimon Blades being a "soulless friendslop with respawning bots instead of normal enemies" when it was exactly what EYE was to begin with.
>>739110202You do not even play video games. Otherwise you would know about Rogue Trader or Gladius
>>739110062Yeah, it is theoretically a choice but for most deldar, it practically isn't. The chances they have of escaping the helish ratrace that is the commorite lifestyle are very slim, and by the time such opportunities strike any Dark Eldar, most are too deep in the rat race and too deluded & arrogant to take it. Dark Eldar are born into that lifestyle because it is the only way they can survive in Commoragh and that system of depravity is actively continued by the powers that be that run Commoragh, and it was in place even before Vect took over and just reformed it into the Kabal system. The core element of hedonistic sadism and exploitation of those who are weaker than you grew from what was the Eldar empire, as Commoragh was basically their equivalent to Epstein island. Dark Eldar are basically what would become of the descendants of the billionare class of our world if shit hit the fan, hidden in their bunkers, private boats, and islands etc, whereas the Craftworlders are more like the children of some sort of weird prepper survivalists that got the fuck out of dodge before nukes hit the cities.
>>739105081>>739105157Unironically their only way to actually somehow "save" Female Custodes fiasco was by adding some chaos god shenanigans into this like explain that these are Tzeench/Slaneesh demons or something.
>>739109913> It being basically just a succession dispute over if Malekith gets to be a king or not just feels kind of lame.It feels way more basic and understandable and therefore better. It doesn't help that Eldars as a whole are self destructive idiots while Elves in Fantasy are a force for good despite being smug idiots. >Plus the justifications for why the Druchii became such absolute sadistic cunts is far weaker imo than the explanation behind the behavior of the Dark Eldar isIt would probably be better if they had actually been consistent about it. I like them being chaos worshipers, I like them being divided between chaos worshipers and non chaos dividers, and I like them worshiping the evil side of the the Elf pantheon. For some reason they decided to go for all of them and nothing and that weakens the general lore. Still better than "Slaanesh likes it when we hurt people" though. >and most importantly allows for far more varieties of interactions between the Eldar groups ranging from co-operative to antagonistic rather than just being some generations old blood feud.Wood Elves exist for that already. Same for the different kingdoms.
>>739110182I absolutely adore the look of the Kabalite warriors. They are so fucking cool.
>>739110258To be fair, that wasn't really the best feature of EYE, though it was great that you could set how many enemies you get spammed with per missionWhich I think is common for Source mods?
>>739110373Their actual save would be to include every female custodes box with a vial of right winger blood and the promise that one less promise will be voting tory/republican next election.
>>739110242noGW tried to hint at Whfb being a planet in 40k, but nobody liked it and it wasn't really compatible since Old Ones are different, magic works different and other incompatible things so they didn't push it40k was never in a globe either. The globe thing was again an easter egg and a projection through which mage could observe galaxy that existedAt best they are two separate universes between which you can travel if you go through warp
>>739110156The eldar lore is complete trash compared to high elf lore>You subhuman cunts that think there has to be some sort of "grand narrative" to the setting are a blight on 40kAnd now you're completely making shit up. Everything about asur lore is part of the setting, not an ongoing narrative. It is there to justify their personality traits and style which it does extremely well, letting them flex into doing all sorts of shit in the setting as a result. Eldar don't have that shit at all.>fragments of an once dominant civilization, both are trying to survive and endure in a galaxy that is no longer theirsAwful by itself and why dipshits are for xenos erasure. Guess what, retard, the imperium is also the fragments of a once dominant civilization trying to reclaim a galaxy that was once theirs.High elves are accomplished sea farers, still ruling the waves despite their decline. They're accomplished diplomats and traders, in every major court playing every side for their own benefit. They're stalwart defenders against chaos in all circumstances, even where they personally suffer the most while nobody else knows of it because they can see the world roots and have inherited those burdens from their ancestors. They have more traits than just>this was ours and we deserve it back!Hell half of them don't even give a shit about the abandoned colonies.Every single eldar thing ever is >oooooooh the prophecy says we have to kill 5 billion humans to save 2 soulstones oooooooh>OH NO KILLING 5 BILLION HUMANS HAS BACKFIRED ON US KILLING WAY MORE SOULSTONES (dying race btw) HOW COULD THE PROPHECY DO THIS!Every trait ported over from the high elves is fucking comical on them. Their arrogance is misplaced, they defend nothing but themselves, their mercurial alliances are entirely hollow and predictable as a result, and they're like the 5 or 6th different civ that was dominant because its a scale of millions of years
>>739110156>You subhuman cunts that think there has to be some sort of "grand narrative" to the setting The issue with Eldars isn't their role in teh grand narrative, it's that their role in the world is extremely limited. Eldar roles are:>Eldars get involved with a conflict to help the Imperium.>Eldars get involved with a conflict to hinder the Imperium.High Elf roles can include: >High Elf colony has to deal with a Lizardmen incursion.>High Elves go to war with a human kingdom over a trade dispute.>High Elf noble scheming results in a civil war.>Malekite invade again>Random sea patrol gets involved in trouble in cathay.>Chaos is trying to destroy the vortex.>High Elves are trying to support the Empire dealing with a Chaos invasion.
>>739110575wrong
>>739110381>It feels way more basic and understandable and therefore better. It doesn't help that Eldars as a whole are self destructive idiots while Elves in Fantasy are a force for good despite being smug idiots.Retarded take. It being such a simplistic reason for the divide utterly fails to actually explain the massive cultural and aesthetic differences between the Dark Elves and High Elves.Whereas with the Craftworlders and Dark Eldar the differences make far more in universe sense, and follow logically from the ways these two distinct groups survived the fall of the Eldar empire and birth of Slaanesh. The Craftworlders abandoned and escaped the hedonistic decadence of the Empire right before the collapse, whereas the Dark Eldar descend from those who perpetuated the system and survived the collapse merely by the fiat of having been located in the webway and thus shielded from the events that consumed the core fo the Eldar empire.Also, the Eldar have no reason or obligations to be a "force for good" in 40k, because there is no greater good in the galaxy. There is only survival, and basically every other race in the galaxy is a threat to the long term survival of the Eldar. Them acting like pricks towards other races is entirely expected, especially towards humanity given how the Imperium is actively genocidal towards the Eldar.>Still better than "Slaanesh likes it when we hurt people" though.That's not why Dark Eldar act the way they do, secondary. Try actuyally reading their lore.The Dark Eldar do not worship slaanesh, slaanesh is constantly leeching off their souls. This forces the Dark Eldar to rejuvenate themselves by essentially leeching off spiritual energy from their victims like some sort of psychic vampires.
>>739104541why does games workshop do this anyway?does this actually sell more minis?
>>739110619>Maiden worldsWhat would happen if those maiden worlds died out, anon? Would the universe end? Credit where it's due though. I am impressed you managed to find a conflict that doesn't involve the Imperium.
>>739110182>Just *normal units because the game is about line infantry*Just a lazy moorcock ripoff unlike a lazy moorcock ripoff but with some other popculture bits lazily stapled ontopof courseYou're trying to pretend like having a whole bunch of surface level shit all mixed into one pile is inherently superior to having one single inspiration with more refinement as a result of having to play by some rules instead of going>wibbly wobbley warpy ancient-civilizationy
>>739110414We need a communist revolution at this point just to shut you fuckers up when it inevitably turns into an authoritarian hellhole where people are imprisoned and executed for questioning the state, and all the people who promised a better world horde all the wealth.
>>739104541I mean they need to push a new imperium faction that not space marine and not niche faction like Sisters or Imperial Guard. Knight is too expensive.
>>739110678deldar's reasoning for still being deldar is worse than the dark elf one, and the dark elf one boils down to "mommy's milkers taste weird after daddy died"
>>739110619Laeveir hasn't been important since it was first introduced, anon. The only time it was ever mentioned after that is a blurb about how the Eldar are losing there and have asked Space Marines for help.
>>739110727In the case of Space Marine 2 it did
>>739110795Isn't both their reasoning just that they like rape
>>739110836>and have asked Space Marines for help.topkekthe one time IoM isn't fucking associated with something and they're forced to bring them in anyways
I like admech when they dont use those da vinci planes and assault units uhhh those pteraxii
>>739110478All of your bitching basically boils down to >waaah, why aren't the Eldar nice and buddies with humanity in 40k like the asur are with the empire in warhammer fantasy.The Eldar arrogance is entirely earned given that they are legitimately a superhuman species just via their inherent qualities, and have among the best technology in the setting. Why the fuck would they play nice with Imperium when the imperium is composed of what are basically vermin in Eldar eyes, who are also actively fucking genocidal towards the Eldar? Even when the Eldar did try to help the nascent imperium, the Emperor was already fully on "kill all Eldar on sight" policy.You expecting the Eldar to have similar diplomatic relations with humanity in 40k as the elves have in warhammer fantasy is just peak retardation that utterly ignores what humanity is in 40k. Humans are barely different from fucking orks in 40k, they are violent, retarded savages that kill non humans on sight. The Empire in warhammer fantasy is leagues above the imperium when it comes to being a reasonable and noble faction with which others could form alliances with.You cannot be an ally of the Imperium in 40k if you are a xeno, given that the imperial dogma literally demands that you have to be eradicated.
>>739110678> It being such a simplistic reason for the divide utterly fails to actually explain the massive cultural and aesthetic differences between the Dark Elves and High Elves.It happened like two thousand years ago in universe. No shit culture is going to converge. It doesn't help that High Elves are a pseudo noble republic while Dark Elves are basically a autocracy run by Malekith killing anybody with the balls to say "No". That's going to have a effect.>Whereas with the Craftworlders and Dark Eldar the differences make far more in universe sense, and follow logically from the ways these two distinct groups survived the fall of the Eldar empire and birth of Slaanesh. Okay? I just find that less intresting than something relatively basic as "A huge civil war split the kingdom in two and their cultures diverged since then". >Also, the Eldar have no reason or obligations to be a "force for good" in 40k, because there is no greater good in the galaxy.Come on, anon. Eldar always end up crawling to the Imperium when a huge war breaks out. Chaos is obviously worse, Tyranids are obviously worse, Necrons are obviously worse (And they are also ancient enemies of the Necrons) With pretty much every time they do not making them seem like massive idiots.> This forces the Dark Eldar to rejuvenate themselves by essentially leeching off spiritual energy from their victims like some sort of psychic vampires.Yeah, I get that. But I still think it's kind of lame.
>>739110849yeah, but one was raped into it>don't you mean roped?no
>>739110904>WAH WAH HUMANS R SO MEAN WHY WON'T THEY JUST LET US KILL THEM ALL TO SAVE A HANDFUL OF ELDARGet bent faggot, eldar deserve to go extinct. The Imperium are the good guys of 40k and your bitching won't ever change that.
>>739108292>the empire would NEVER allow these freaks to have their own serious military force much less one full of cyborgs and robots>The Empire would NEVER let the people who possess the knowhow to manufacture all their weapons and vehicles and ships... also manufacture some weapons and vehicles and ships for themseves
if there is a female electro-priest and i use jump cables on their nipples...or what if you jumper cable a male electro priest's shaft, if they dont remote those i mean
>>739110750>We need a communist revolution at this poinI agree.>when it inevitably turns into an authoritarian hellhole where people are imprisoned and executed for questioning the state,Yeah, like what happened in bastions of liberalism and freedom like Imperial Russia, Imperial China, Cuba, Colonial Vietnam.>and all the people who promised a better world horde all the wealth.As opposed to now where the people who promise a better world horde all the wealth.
>>739110795Only if you are a complete retard.The Dark Eldar fucking die if they don't act the way they do. Either they get killed by the other dark eldar because they aren't sadistic and ruthless enough to make it in Commoragh which forces them down the path of being sadistic cunts, and once on that path, if they stop slaanesh is going to slurp up their souls.The only way out for the Dark Eldar is if they essentially get adopted by Craftworlders and inducted into that lifestyle and also given a soulstone.
>>739110904>why should we band together with the other faction that's the biggest ally against chaos?fuck, man, I dunno, not like iyanden had a fucking inquistor embassy on it at some point because they realized this or nothing>>739111018sounds like ghettonigger reasoning
>>739110742>Just a lazy moorcock ripoff unlike a lazy moorcock ripoff but with some other popculture bits lazily stapled ontopNo? Deldar actually have multiple, fleshed out, different factions interacting with each other>You're trying to pretend like having a whole bunch of surface level shit all mixed into one pile is inherently superior It is. That's objectively a creative creation>to having one single inspiration with more refinement as a result of having to play by some rules instead of goingNothing is refined about Fantasy Delves. They are simply, objectively a dumbed down, inferior, blander copy of an original with nothing going on for them neither in aesthetics, lore or gameplay
>>739110926>Eldar always end up crawling to the Imperium when a huge war breaks out.This is literally just shit imperium fanboy tourists make up. Basically none of the conflicts in Eldar codexes involve them "crawling back to the imperium for help". The Eldar barely interact with the fucking imperium in their actual lore and most of those interactions are either the eldar manipulating the imperials or waging war on them because again, the Imperium is a hostile genocidal entity towards the Eldar.
>>739110904>waaah, why aren't the Eldar nice and buddies with humanity in 40k like the asur are with the empire in warhammer fantasy.My issue isn't that they aren't friends. It's that 1: The story just doesn't use them properly most of the time. 2: They mostly end up supporting the Imperium anyway. 3: Their actual role in the universe is fairly similar to the Imperium. 4: They just don't matter, period. You could totally remove them from the universe after Slaanesh is born and not have to change anything.
>>739109523Eldar acting arrogant feels retarded to me, especially when they shit on humanity, because humanity was poised to rule the galaxy and do so cooperatively with multiple alien races. The Eldar in their depravity fucked that all up. They caused the fall after the defeat of the Men of Iron, and ensured humanity would be dogged by Chaos for the rest of time. Yet they act like they weren't the ones who destroyed any hope of a return to the Golden Age. Humamity is short sighted now because they destroyed their history and left an unhealable mental scar on the species after they experienced the horrors of Old Night. Now, instead of trying to get them back on their feet and accepting their time in the sun is over, they CONTINUE to fuck over humanity, clinging to whatever they can like a drowning man pulling his rescuer under.
>>739110968Admech holds Imperium by the balls really
>>739111114>Basically none of the conflicts in Eldar codexes involve them "crawling back to the imperium for help".Yes, anon. Because those conflicts are unimportant side theaters.
>>739111107>Deldar actually have multiple, fleshed out, different factions interacting with each otherReally only the other two elven factions, and even then really just the high elves.Their interactions with everybody else is "Shoot on sight" or "Raid".
>>739110849The reasoning for druchii is that owning slaves is how all the elves used to do so they're going to keep on doing it. All the fucked up shit they do with slaves that isn't just working them to death is mostly because of the Cult of Pleasure, whom everyone outside of wants to stamp out as soon as it's convenient. If Morathi didn't exist slaves ,in general, would be treated somewhat normal levels of harshly as necessary for the hard land of naggaroth. There would be some sacrifices to khaine but not the excessive debauchery. A large part of the dark elves is just a cold hearted practicality fighting against the chaos influence seeping in and Malekith's deliberate surveillance state.Dark eldar own slaves because lmao snorts warp dust. They keep being degenerates because that's what all the eldar were like so they do fucked up shit to other people so their souls don't get eaten for being degenerates. They'd rather do this than just stop being degenerates.>>739110904>All of your bitching basically boils down toonce again, unable to argue except by making shit upNo, faggot, the problem with eldar is that THEY DON'T DO ANYTHINGread that againElves have reasons to interact in the world at large. Eldar have zero reason to ever leave the deeps of space except for, you guessed it, TIDINGS OF DOOOOOOM which makes them fucking retardednot bothering with the rest of your post
>>739110964Why do imperiumfags get so pissy about the Eldar not treating the imperium kindly when the imperial agenda is the total extermination of all eldar?
>>739111107>That's objectively a creative creationActual shit tasteI'm sure leagues of votann is your absolute favorite faction then since they take a whole bunch of nonsensical bullshit and stick it all together
>>739111132DAoT Humanity was never a peaceful Star Trek civilization. It's a meme. They conquered and enslaved species. Tried to go against Eldar and were slapped downHumans also aren't really unique. Through 60 000 000 years of Eldar ruling, many DAoT style civilizations rose and fallen just like humans did either to great Chaos filter or simply on their own. Which is why Eldar stopped caring about them. Humans attempted almost successfully to come back which is the unique thing
>>739111094>sounds like ghettonigger reasoningWhich quite appropriate comparison given that Dark Eldar essentially live in a dystopian gang society where you either get inducted into a gang (kabal) for security or you remain victimized by them.
>>739111203>when the imperial agenda is the total extermination of all eldar?Imperium agenda for the Eldar basically comes down to "Whatever works for whoever is leading us at the moment in this specific conflict". Even the actual inquisition is divided on the issue of Eldar along the lines of "We have bigger fish to fry". Imperium goes back and forth between totally self destructive and almost kind of sensible considering the universe. But outside of genuine cases of grimdark stupidity they typically understand Eldar (And Tau for that matter) are not the biggest problem even before sensible blue boy came back.
>>739111107I adore the weapon design of the Dark Eldar and eldar in general. It is neat how you can see the commonalities across the board in them.
SKULLS SOON LADSIM SO FUARKING HYPED!!!!!
>>739104541Because our flesh is weak and holding us back
>>739111195Deldar have Kabals, Wych Cults, Mandrake Kings, Haemonculi Covens, Incubi Orders, Mercenaries etc all interacting with each other
>>739111365All of those are internal factions. Dark Elves are not much different. Nor is anybody else in 40k or Warhammer fantasy for that matter.
>>739111318Hyped for what?A pre-recorded shovelware ad?
>>739111247Copy pasting is objectively badCreating and merging objectively good>>739111397They are different factions with different leaders, color schemes, unit ranges etc which ally with each other
>>739111002>As opposed to now where the people who promise a better world horde all the wealth.The difference is the rich fucks in power aren't pretending. There is nothing more dangerous than a moral busybody given power.>Yeah, like what happened in bastions of liberalism and freedom like Imperial Russia, Imperial China, Cuba, Colonial Vietnam.>This was shit, so my shit is fineNo
>>739111202>The eldar don't do anything!!!!Again, retarded secondary blathering. The Eldar do shit that is in their intersts. They protect their maiden worlds, manipulate events according to the visions of their farseers which leads them to intervening in conflicts, instigating conflicts and at times aidin or opposing other factions. The lore of the Eldar justifies their interactions and conflict with the other races of the galaxy nigh perfectly. What the fuck else do you want them to "do"? Your complaints again, are utterly vague and without actual substance.
>>739104541They are the only actually cool Empire faction
>>739111513This.
>>739106494>also ferrus manus will come back tooNobody really seems to care about Ferrus. Why would they bring him back before any of the more popular candidates, especially when we know he's dead?
Honestly, my biggest issue with Eldar is that I just think most Aspect warriors are kind of lame. Guardians are cool. Tanks are cool. Wraiths are really cool. A lot of their (Generic) characters are cool. Their elite infantry just doesn't do much for me outisde of Dire Avengers and Dark Reapers.
They are the worst army in the tabletop and they want to offset that reputation. They should also consider giving the Mechanicus actually cool designs instead of retarded chicken legs, stupid Leonardo Devinchi machines and bug flyers that aren't helping the Dune allegations.
>>739111161And what is an important "main theater" then? Whatever warzone GW is currently shilling?
>>739111252>lies>headcanon>shit that goes against actual loreFuck off.
>>739111490>The Eldar do shit that is in their intersts.The problem is that their interests are overwelmignly just survival. Which is a role 1: Already taken by the Imperium. 2: Makes so many of their actions come across as baffling. >The lore of the Eldar justifies their interactions and conflict with the other races of the galaxy nigh perfectly.It allows them to perfectly fit into any conflict on any side without actually mattering in any way.
>>739111247Leagues of Votan are actually far superior take on the concept of space dwarves than the OG squats ever were.
>>739111608>And what is an important "main theater" then?Mostly Chaos and sometimes Tyranids.
>>739111573Legitimately shit taste. Aspect Warriors are extremely cool.
>>739111643>It allows them to perfectly fit into any conflict on any side without actually mattering in any way.Nigger, this setting is for a fucking tabletop wargame. What the hell are you even complaining about?
>>739111690Warp spiders have potential but the actual execution never did anything for me. Still better than Striking Scorpions or Swooping hawks though.
>>739111203Because Eldar deserve to be exterminated, they made a fucking Chaos God. More specifically they made the one that crippled Humanity and led to the Age of Strife.
>>739111724>What the hell are you even complaining about?The fact they can't really carry much on their own. It's why so much of 40K is forever destined to be Imperium focused.
>>739111746You shut your nigger mouth right the fuck now.
>>739106602Have you ever met someone that bought a custodes box because “now they have female custodes”? Because i know a lot of people (including me) that opted out because of it. I know its anecdotal but at least its an argument, the question is genuine btw, i never even heard anyone claim that they bought a custodes box because now they have females in it.
>>739111690SEX WITH LHYKHIS
>>739104541They majority of the writers are atheists who hate the religious aspects being popular or adeptus mechanicus fanboys. Chaos fanboys are lower Gee Dubs wants to constantly push Chaos so they have a louder and higher voice.
>>739111783>The fact they can't really carry much on their own.What does this even fucking mean? Carry what? A narrative? Some BL novel? Because if that is your issue then it is a secondary problem, tied mostly to the garbage quality of BL writers.Because Eldar sure as fuck have carried campaign supplements. Valedor is peak example. I adored that supplement. The novel about it was also pretty good by BL standards all things considered.
>>739111807>Have you ever met someone that bought a custodes box because “now they have female custodes”?I've met people who wanted to buy custodes because of the new box. >Because i know a lot of people (including me) that opted out because of it.Opted out of what? 40K as a whole? If so: Good riddance and they are clearly not missing you considering they are still selling better than they did in teh past.
>>739104541they have like 3 new models this yearthis is GW doing gigabrain shilling campaign in order to make people buy minis that are hardest to paint after primarchs & daemons
>>739111592Mechanicum gets all the good designs and admech gets the left overs
>>739111809>emoting aspect warrior helmetI hate this garbage artist for doing that shit.They are fucking helmets.
>>739111942>minis that are hardest to paint after primarchs & daemonsBONJOUR
>>739111884>Carry what? A narrative?Mostly a campaign. Like the actual "Forge your narrative" kind of campaign. Secondary, but see also most people not being all that wild about Eldar being in Warhammer 40K Total War. Mostly because they are such a secondary faction that you could not have them in the game and nobody would notice.
>>739111454I wish that there was some 40k game set in Commoragh that tried to depict at least a segment of that place faithfully. Rogue Trader gave only such a meager taste of the dark city.
>>739112003With Harlequins it is mostly just a color scheme issue. You don't actually have to paint the diamond patterning on them (though people will judge you if you do not).
>>739111791>Striking scorpions>Have a chainsaw as a main weaponGenuinely retarded. Just giving them a actual poisoned spear or something else that actually strikes would already improve their design massively.
>>739111992Actually, Eldar armor possesses a psychic link to the wielder that allows the wraithbone materials to change properties at will. This is commonly done to harden in response to imminent trauma, or soften to increase flexibility.It's not a far stretch to say that this control could extend to helmet lenses, and that one would be able to 'wink' by flickering the lighting controls on one side.
>>739112071It is a silent chainsaw.
>>739107859Not the female audience.There were seeking the Modern Audience aka trannies, pedos & 3rd world rapists
>>739112101Still not exactly what I could call a stealth weapon.
>>739112026The Eldar have campaign rules that work just fine like the other factions do. Again, this complaint seems entirely vacuous. Just like you can have a series campaing/crusade games with space marines/orks/necrons or whatever else faction, you can do it with the Eldar. The narrative you wage around those games is entirely up to you and your friends. If you can't somehow justify why the Eldar are engaged in such conflict it is a you issue, not the issue with the lore or the rules of the Eldar.
>>739112119Striking Scorpions are stealth troopers mostly in the sense of "lying in wait before striking" kind of stealth. As in, they wait and pounce their prey. Once they are in the midst of combat, they don't really need to be stealthy anymore.
>>739112101There is nothing about a Chainsaw that can be linked to Scorpions thematically, spiritually or metaphorically. They should have a fist weapon which is a huge stinger with venom.
>>739112190It's not that I can't come up with a reason. It's that the reason is mostly going to end up being the exact same and extremely secondary unless I want to make a major break with the lore.
>>739112254It's a mistranslation from the Eldar word
>>739112254Scorpions being stealthy is only half their purpose. They other is to be as bloody and violent as possible, as the 'Scorpion' they're emulating is literally Khaine himself when he went to the exiled Ulthanesh under the guise of a Scorpion and stung him, prompting a war between the houses of Eldanesh and Ulthanesh.It's why the original Scorpion Phoenix Lord went mad and betrayed the rest; he couldn't control his bloodlust and thus became the first Incubus.
>>739112254Most of the weapons used by the aspect warriors aren't really entirely themed after whatever animal/mythic figure their aspects are named after.The most thematically tied to their aspect name are propably warp spiders given how death spinners work. With the others it is a range of some thematic overlap to none at all.
>>739112307And how is that complaint any different when applied to say orks, tyranids or necrons for example? If anything Eldar involvement is among the most nuanced due to how you can bullshit whatever reason/motivation for their involvement via their farseer's visions.
>>739112358A stinger fist weapon would still be cooler and more fitting.
>>739112230See: >>739112254Howling Banshees should be the "Actually get involved in engaged Melee" guys. When I think of Scorpions, I think of one decisive strike delivered from a unexpected angle. I guess you could argue it's more a case of that but as a entire unit (Aka: They are flankers) but even then I still think a chainsaw feels out of place. I might just be biased in favors of spears though. I don't mind a less literal interpretation of a animal. If anything I think swooping hawks could benefit from losing the stupid angel wings(Donate them to the Blood angels since they seem to have lost them). But striking scorpions having chainsaws feels like a massive leftover from second edition era "Eldar use Imperium weapons" and I'm disappointed the refresh didn't try to change that up.
>>739111634nopeDAoT are regularly described as warmongering cunts
>>739112371At least the Warp Spiders have more than 4 limbs and shoot webs.
>>739112513Jess Goodwin has had an iron grip on Eldar design for decades now, so it is doubtful that the core design of the Aspect Warriors is ever going to change, even now after he has parted from GW. It is too iconic to fuck with at this point.
>>739112578Goodwin even made GW remove some Aspect Warriors design that Forgeworld made, like the Shadow Spectres since he didn't create them.same reason 40k Ad Mech don't share HH designs
>>739112630He's a fucking cunt for that imo. Shadow Spectres are super neat.
>>739112429>orks, tyranids or necrons for example?Tyranids are actually a problem case because of the opposite reasons. They generally feel too big to function as a minor threat in a larger conflict. Orks meanwhile just get a lot of liberty because they are 1: Everywhere. 2: Always looking to get up to trouble. 3: Can have something resembling motivations more complicated than just survival. Sure "They want a good fight" is always a easy fill in motivation but they could just as easily function as "Useful idiots" "Mercenaries" "Just some random Mek looking to loot shit" "This inquisitor stole the Boss Nob's favorite Shoota".Necrons used to have the same issue as Tyranids. But nowadays they are genuinly very character driven that 1: it's largely up to the player to justify why they are involved in a conflict and 2: those reasons can be very varied. It's perfect your guy material and that makes using them in a campaign as either the main event, a third wheel, or even just a unlikely ally works very well. Eldar struggle to be the main event, and generally aren't self interested in a way where being a third wheel makes sense.
>>739112515I wonder where the hell the notion of DOT humanity ever having been some sort of star trek utopia even emerged from. Nothing in the actual 40k lore has ever supported that idea.
>>739108205If you let reddit liking something influence what you think is cool, you should rethink your life.
>>739110414Are you incapable of making a suggestion that doesn't involve actual violence, bloodshed, and/or murder or does just come standard with retarded politic brain? Jesus, forget Slaanesh modern leftists are Khorne worshippers just waiting for a reason to kill people.
>>739106346Ч41К4 not on the front page!
>>739112735I think I understand your point a bit more now though I still disagree with it.Tyranid splinter fleets/hive fleet remnants/vanguard organisms etc fullfill the minor threat/third wheel role quite well, but their main motivations are always ultimately going to be the same because of the nature of what they are.However with Eldar, you legitimately can justify both minor and major involvement depending on what the motivations of the Eldar involved are. With some craftworlds like Saim-Han for example the motivation for involvement could legitimately be rather "petty" and basically just about honor and shit. As in, "this space marine captain insulted the Saim-Han Autarch a century ago, and he has never let that insult go and thus has involved himself in this conflict just to exact revenge on that specific captain".Whereas with Biel-Tan, you can easily justify a crusade level threat as Biel-Tan has had a history of genociding entire imperial worlds because they were built on maiden worlds.
>>739108725I think it's funny you blame entire species for the mistakes of their distant ancestors yet cry out when blamed for the actions of your contemporaries.
>>739112070Cool as fuck, I wish Emperor's Children Sorcerers weren't absolute dogshit so I could bring myself to commit to a fun kitbash for one.
>>739112754Misunderstanding what golden age means. It was a golden age for Humans because Mankind as a whole was dominant in galaxy instead of dying away. Not because humans were good like in Star Trek. DAoT humans genocided or enslaved species and fought against each other as well.Which is why DAoT relics people find are weapons of mass destruction and cruelty. Why the fuck Star Trek peaceful humans would make The Butcher's Nails or Bloodtide
>>739112943Hmmmm... Fair enough. Will freely admit I'm less familiar with Biel-Tan outside of the paint named after them. Actually going to run another campaign this summer and while I expect it to be Ork vs Space Marine focused (For obvious reasons) I do expect at least some Eldar players (And Tau, those fuckers tend to be pretty popular in my local club). So, might try to get creative in including them (Though obviously I'll probably just ask the player to come up with am motivation as well if we go that far).
>>739113017People tend to missunderstand the whole humans were dominant part as well. Humanity was still living under the shadow of the Eldar empire, though the nature of the pre-fall Eldar empire itself seems to have been a rather aloof and hands off in their dominion of the galaxy. They had their core worlds and the webway network via which they could reach any corner of the galaxy they desired, but they clearly didn't have physical presence across wast stretches of the galaxy the same way the imperium has for example.
>>739113017>Why the fuck Star Trek peaceful humans would make The Butcher's Nails or BloodtideNTA, but coming across a colony or "alien" race that created some horrific murder atrocity weapon (For good, obviously) was basically a normal Tuesday for Starfleet. Hell, in the second movie they created a horrific weapon of mass destruction... by accident.
>>739112964>yet cry out when blamed for the actions of your contemporaries.Are you talking about 40K or real life? Because in 40K people rightfully kill anybody who thinks Horus did nothing wrong while in real life right wingers keep defending a guy like Hitler who is almost entirely responsible for the downfall of western civilization.
>>739112540Bile tries to keep his interactions with the 'gods' to a minimum and does not believe they are sentient. Also, his books are good, I'm quite curious if GW will ever expand on the fact his Great Work species (new men) is spread across the galaxy by now and the average ones are much better in a fight than humans, while the higher-quality ones are capable of fighting marines, with their intended purpose being to hunt in packs and kill them. They're entirely capable of reproduction, so now there's a new kind of abhuman out there that hates the Imperium and can kill marines, and their numbers are growing. That'll have to be addressed at some point.
>>739113054Biel-Tan lore is fun. They are my favorite Eldar. Extremely militant, xenophobic and ready to throw hands openly rather than being about the whole farseer mysticism and manipulation. They are led by their Autarchs rather than their seers.Out of all 40k factions I'd argue that Tau are the hardest to justify involving in various conflicts because of just the galactic geography. Any conflict involving the tau kind of has to happen near or within the Tau corner of galaxy.
>>739113201I've no idea what that has to do with you being brown and condoning violence against innocents on a massive scale.
>>739104541Dark mechanicum niggas when GWs?
do lamer squats know that they were humans once and do imperials know that?
>>739113268>Out of all 40k factions I'd argue that Tau are the hardest to justify involving in various conflicts because of just the galactic geography. Pretty much. Though otherwise they are relatively easy.Ironically enough Kroot only armies are much easier to include due to being mercenaries. Meaning that "The Rogue trader hired a bunch of kroot" isn't entirely impossible.
>>739106328>>739107043Didn't GW prevent Owlcat from adding a Sister of Battle romance?
>>739113442Yeah, I am pretty glad that GW has expanded the kroot range a bit to a point where you can kind of run kroot only armies without massively crippling yourself.
>>739108794Eldars live in actual communism
>>739110331Is that a smug deldar nugget? What am I looking at here?
>>739113603Post scarcity utopian communism where the craftworlds themselves provide the Eldar with basically anything they need for daily necessities and luxuries. It isn't really comparable to whatever communism irl has ever "been".Their socieities are also bound by rather strict code of tradition and behavior that keeps them away from falling into the excess and debauchery of their ancestors.
>>739106236Thallax, Thanatar, Castallax are all stuck in HH, atleast you can use the Castallax as Kastelan robots
>>739113435>do lamer squats know that they were humans onceYes, but they're happier now distancing themselves from humanity.>do imperials know that?They might suspect it, but largely the Imperium doesn't know and would have a hard time confirming it.
>>739113603>The only way for Communism to work is for it to exist in a society of immortal psychic wizards who can literally sing whatever they desire into creation, living on luxury super-ships the size of moons which are themselves colossal magical supercomputers>Even then there is a rudimentary societal hierarchy with Farseers determining political plans and Autarchs commanding the military campaignsReally makes you think
>>739113435Yes and no.The nusquats/kin actively distance themselves from the Imperium and notions of shared human ancestry because they don't want the imperials to get any funny ideas about them having any claims of dominion over the Leagues of Votann. They also fucking despise the Admech.
>>739113443Thats just speculation, owlkeks will never come out and say it, just like it was for amiri and pathfinder
>>739113652small Marazhai
>>739104541Because admech is based as fuck
>>739113652It's a Deldar babby boy, almost certainly a trueborn thus essentially a mafia princeling with wealthy and powerful parents.
>>739114056I imagine "Eat your vegetables" has a different meaning for Eldar families.
>>739113240He recently keikaku'd Cawl into a situation where Bile stole the progenoid gland from Alpha Primu
Why do Farseer plans almost always turn out to be shit and cause the future they are trying to stop?
>>739114056>>739113967Good lord, he'd go around raping and abusing whoever and whatever he wants to a degree that would see corrupt chaebol sons blush.Warhammer delves really do just need to be nuked from orbit.
>>739104541Adeptus Mechanicus is literally the coolest aspect of Warhammer. Fuck the Space mahreens, these red robed niggas are pure fucking kino.
>>739114190Because if they worked out properly the Eldar would never lose.There actually is a somewhat recent book where a Farseer's plan goes off without a hitch and the implied outcome is absolutely catastrophic for the Imperium, while the Eldar suffer less than a handful of casualties.
>>739104541They want to sell more admech models. same reason why both darktide and rt had a dlc focused around arbites released at the same time. he is the reason why we are getting a a fatty admech instead of another xeno companion
>>739113973I love the AdMech but I'm not a big fan of the fat and bloated insect designs they are giving to some of the tech-priests and higher ups.
>>739105308>cute admech girls>DOW4 trailer has georgia droid in it???
>>739105308All this is telling me is I should buy a deeply discounted box or two to flip in 20 years
>>739109964I played it Great world design Poor plot Terrible final boss fight Good weapons Great movementBest FPS since that 2014 Wolfenstein
>>739104898Generally GSC are considered worse than the AdMech to paint but AdMech are the single most expensive army in the game due to incredibly low points value per kit. A single chicken walker is $60 and only 40 points in game and they're generally considered a must-have unit.
>>739114574>fat and bloated insect designsYou don't know what's good for ya.
>>739104541>whats with the big coordinated markettingNot sure bro maybe it's marketting
>>739109265God i fucking love warp spiders
>>739114574Those are literally all the coolest and most unique ones you meatbag faggotYou really think a fanatical transhumanist with access to total bodily modification would settle for just "human but metal"?The dumbest thing about admech character designs is that they retain any humanoid shapes whatsoever instead of being straight up some flying matrix squid type shit
>>739114997Replacing too much of your body can veer into tech heresy. And the human form is still sacred. But its also fashion and a mark of status so plenty of important magos in the imperium make themselves into a ball of mechadendrites and sensors, or other kinds of post-human monstrosities.
>>739114838VGH. Observe the dimensions and curvature of that rear chassis. Pure Skitarii Goonslop.
>>739106070Warmahordes was screwed because one of the company's founders forced out the other founder just before the game launched, and then moved out-of-state later on while maintaining ultimate control over everything.So they'd miss vital shipping deadlines because no one could get ahold of him to sign paperwork, and lose months of design work because he'd randomly come in on a raging coke bender and say he hated something they'd been working on and make them redo it to match his new idea.Also Monsterpocalypse was hugely popular and got sabatoged because it was someone else's idea.Other games like X-wing and Malifaux failed due to companies fumbling new editions.
>>739114997>You really think a fanatical transhumanist with access to total bodily modification would settle for just "human but metal"?Some do, yes, because they believe deviating from the shape of man is heresy. They consider it blasphemous to take non-human forms because it spits in the face of the God Emperor/Omnissiah, and implies there is something fundamentally wrong with our design.
>>739115190>Replacing too much of your body can veer into tech heresyYeah, so can scouring necron tombworlds for xenos tech, but the admech can get away with a lot due to their place in the Imperium.
>>739114997>The dumbest thing about admech character designs is that they retain any humanoid shapes whatsoever instead of being straight up some flying matrix squid type shitGo play the Iron Hands. This is not how the AdMech behave or think.
>>739106328I bet you think Cathay getting pushed so hard in Total War Warhammer has nothing to do with GW wanting china bux and leaning on CA to get them.
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>>739106756If it was Necromunda ad it would look like Necromunda ganger. Instead its just all the lame bits of Necromunda with none of the cool.
>>739104541>Skitarii Alpha class confirmed as the next character for DarktideWhat will they bring to the gameplay of Darktide?
>>739104541Same reason that picrel is the only thing made now, because GW thinks they are the cool guys and if you play anything else you are a stupid nerd who needs to shut up.
>>739114997anon has a point, all of them being insect like is boring, some of them should look like tanks on treads, others like some mishapen form floating on a grav engine stuck to it's ass, like a fucking stump on a kline, hedonismbot style
>>739114740The movement is too spastic for me. Guess I'm just not into movement shooters, never played one beforeEven in EYE I preferred trodding around in heavy armor with a minigun
This eldar vs elf argument is gay. Both of them have hot chicks and that is all that matters.
>>739115528If Eldar ahve no body fat, why do they have big tits?
>>739115359Confirmed via leaks>Servo-Skull floating sentry armed with a laser gun ala the Arbites hound>Servo-Skull can hack terminals for you>Blitz ability that calls for more Servo-Skulls for the duration>Possible auto-gun/aim blitz ability where you lock onto targets and can't miss for the short duration>Circular skill tree that allows you to branch off in different directions and combine multiple trees together, instead of the linear three path trees of every other class>Confirmed arsenal includes arc weapons, electric batons, phosphorous blasters, transonic blades, and galvanic rifles
i think knights are an issue for balancing across all the games they have and they are slowly pushing admech into a position to be the catchall for mechanized imperium armies to fix it because soup bad or something.
>>739113560People were a bit pissed though since the Kroot/Tau combined armies detachment is one of the ones to get an utterly fucked over new version in 11th. Not quite as bad as the Ork's Taktikal Brigade, but close.
>>739115621>Make a game about the Inquisition>What DLC classes should we add?>Mall cop, drug addict, psuedo-servitorMan, really thrilling stuff here. Next you'll tell me they're adding in a Ratling janitor.
>>739115757An Alpha Skitarii is one of the least egregious additions they could have possibly added. Your primary port of call for weapons and armaments come from the Adeptus Mechanicus, with Hadron being one of the most prominent mission givers.
>>739115396You are wrong and have no idea you are talking about. Never before GW put more focus into nonMarine armies and projects like sidegames
so how cool will obesius be as the new member of the rogue trader's retinue? because he's looking like prime benchwarmer to me since based pasqal is already there
>>739110727It does.t. Bought a bunch of skitarro after finishing mechanics because realizing how much of a scam they are
>>739104541Forgot mechanicus 2 being close to release too
>>739115621I hope that they will do better voice acting than hive scummaybe some binary or whatever noises like this thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNagNezo8wwish being a cyborg with a plasma gun and oversized boxcutter was real
>>739115868Every time Yrliet makes a snide comment about (You) or the Imperium, he will create a new slur to call the Eldar on the spot. This eventually has the effect of Yrliet never speaking again after Act 3.
>>739115757Yeah, pic-related.And we're not even playing as an Inquisitor's retinue; I'm pretty sure that was never in the cards. I'm actually a little disappointed we're getting Skitarii and not a Combat Servitor.
>>739115917Confirmed two male and two female voice overs, with an option to control how technowarbled they sound.
>>739115621That sounds pretty cool, I’ll probably come back and try it. I liked Arbites but Hiver didn’t interest me.
>>739115850I mean, genuinly. There is so much I can bitch about when it comes to Gw but their effort when it comes to xeno factions is not one of them. It used to be WAY worse.
>>739104840>kiwifarms chair neneGo back
>>739116063Nigger that meme is older than tranny farmshttps://youtu.be/UZuzw2TCNSU?si=l9E-p0jZQmgzpLI2
>>739115947>no option for angry toaster noise that refuses to use inferior data transfer mechanismsmissed opportunity, reallythen again - that is all that fatshark doesI think they should gen on ozempic to trim the fat off - having less energy stored forces organic beings into higher risk behaviours which could potentially lead to higher rewards
>>739116015Yeah, I'm a big fan of sentry-type characters. I like defending a thing doing the killing.
>>739115932Half the appeal of the characters is their personalities. Servitors are lobotomized freaks.Alpha Skitarii are AFAIK one of the few combat unit types trusted to have their faculties intact, even regular Skitarii are borderline brainless. Alphas on the other hand are often in small leadership positions or trusted personal guards. So in terms of playable characters from the faction, it was either them or a Tech Priest.
>>739115932They probably did for more PC interactions during the mission instead of just being a flesh robot
>>739114956They are indisputably the coolest aspect warriors
>>739112630Shadow Specters are fucking cool and like the other anon said, he is a cunt for removing them>>739112513>I still think a chainsaw feels out of placeIts because it feels like its a human weapon to me not an Asuryani weapon to me.I also don't like the dreadlocks the scorpions have they just look kinda bad to me
>>739104840>Trazyn the Infinite DLC>we could get anything from the 40k universe at any time period>we get fat Pasqal
I like Howling Banshees because they have big asses and perky chests.
>>739104541Imperium's Greatest Ally
>>739107783>nids>if you play this as a guy you're probably mega fruity
>>739107783>The Nietzschean Niggerman faction is a girl factionFuck off retard you genuinely pissed me off with that shitty bait
>>739119284it's true. you would know if you actually played 40k.
>>739119620>if you actually played 40k>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EAXbAx2pU3oDoes this sound like a girl faction to you ?
>>739119734Yes.
>>739119734>youtube shortsi'm not clicking that, tard
>>739119781I curse you with 40k of niggermanish nightmares horror in your sleep.Sleep tight bitch >:(
>>739104541It's to sell models. They raped Space Marine lore to try and sell models to their primary audience, which already have as many Space Marine models as they want. Almost nobody had an AdMech army. So they want to popularize AdMech to push models to that audience. >Why AdMech?Because they are fully convinced that nobody wants aliens, which is why they've brought Squats back looking like Deep Rock Galactic knockoffs shortly after the height of DRGs popularity while the main armies associated with the game have been left to rot.
>>739119848>youtube shortsYoutube being retarded and putting very short videos automatically in the short category now....You can thank India for that.
>>739106328What do you think licensed means?
>>739120016>looking like Deep Rock Galactic knockoffsimo they mostly look like starcraft spacemarine knockoffs with women and beards and a runic pattern or two hither and thither
>>739120026Install Youtube Control Center, lets you unfuck the UI
>>739115241I would've liked if Star Wars: Armada was more popular, but apparently playing games with full on fleets instead of just fighters wasn't as popular.
>>739105215Yeah I always found that a bit weird, I kept waiting for one to show up and it never happened
>>739119848>I don't want to educate myself, I'd rather remain a tertiary forever
>>739120016This could either be true or you're full of shit, but this is GW we're talking about. They killed Fantasy due to years of poor model sales, but then had a sudden surge of interest in Fantasy due to a handful of really good video games. People tried to get into the table top version, noticed there was only Age of Sigmar, and realized they were too late to get into a now dead game. Cue GW hastily coming up with "The Old World" to be the Horus Heresy equivalent for Fantasy. GW routinely makes dumb as fuck decisions, so who knows.
>>739111002In those places you got done for questioning the head of state more than questioning the state as an entity
>>739105308>mainly because men want to fuck cute AdMech girls.Guilty as charged, gimme that robussy
>>739104541Everything GW does is in service of selling overpriced plastic models. It's their bottom line, the raison d'etre of their IPs.Back in the late 00's and early 10's, lots of people were interested in AdMech. They were a background faction, few official models but a big player in the lore. People tend to gravitate towards niche factions like that. Then GW actually made AdMech a playable army, and it ended up disappointing a lot of people. Terrible playstyle that encouraged troop spam, along with incredibly difficult to paint infantry models with lots of stupid details. Nobody wants to spend 5 hours painting one nameless dude in an army of 100 identical looking dudes. Their vehicles also looked like shit, but then again, GW doesn't know how to design a good looking vehicle for anyone anymore. They're not very popular as a result.All this means that AdMech kits are currently collecting dust on the shelves, and GW needs to move products. The best way to do that is lots of promotion via game tie-ins.
>>739121001I think having their basic infantry unit be just a tad too detailed means trying to batch paint them in a reasonable amount of time is hard compared to some of the older sculpts that kept the detail to a minimum specifically because they were going to be painted in large numbers. Shit like the older Ork boys or Tyranid gaunts are fine for this sort of thing, or the Necron Warriors (or just Necrons in general) being almost universally mono-colored metallics made them easy for new hobbyists to get into. Simple, easy to replicate, lets you branch out afterwards.
should I buy raven guard combat patrol or admechs?I like how admechs look a fair bit more but I am afraid of fucking up models considering how much small details they have
>>739107783>why are all the factions of the most reddit hobby to ever exist so... reddit?!?!?!Retard
>>73910820540k has always been deeply uncool. From the very beginning it was a gross toybox mix of historical/scifi concepts that nerds liked.
>>739113240>Great Work speciesUnironically, they might not expand them too much specifically to keep them for a new army in the futureit feels like it's one of those concept "let's create something but keep it vague, expand it if we want new things"
