Oh yeah, that happened
Was it any good?
>>739106548>take doom>make it modern shit>make a sequel, make it pozzed dogshit about angels being even worse than demons>make another sequel, make it about a brown girlboss who talks all the time and angels are even more heckin' worse than beforefuck completely off bethesda you soulless trash
>>739106548>I want the the same shit over and over againyou'd be a terrible game designer. experimenting is a good thing.
>>739106639>>739106548Christ do you ever just stop crying the game is good
>>739106694fuck no it isn't asshole have you never played a good game or are you a retarded tranny who is defending it because it shits on a franchise that men like
>>739106741>brings up trannysBait kys jeet
>>739106598imo I think it's the best out of nu-doom, and closest to OG with the "always run" option.But nu-doom in general is shit, story is terrible, and the game expects you to spam click parry instead of actually timing them.
>>739106867whatever sis just don't shoot up any more hockey games
>>739106639>>take doom >>make it modern shit >>make a sequel, make it pozzed dogshit about angels being even worse than demons >>make another sequel, make it about a brown girlboss who talks all the time and angels are even more heckin' worse than before >fuck completely off bethesda you soulless trash
>>739106639>make it pozzed dogshit about angels being even worse than demonsthis is a pretty uncharitable take. it's something more akin to ivory tower liberals that know best, telling you to ignore your eyes.
>>739106548Eh, I had fun. Eternal still the nu-Doom king. It's a kind of bizarre mess of a setting that stuck out to me. Should've saddled with the Cthulhu instead of half-assing it in pair with the retarded Sentinel plotline nobody cares about.It's such an easy concept: Doomguy vs. Cthulhu, and you make him a secondary antagonist who jobs in a mech section? The fact that the game took its He-Man ass premise so seriously is also jarring.
>>739106598No, not really >overhyped mech levels are almost like a walking simulator, where you occasionally have to fight demons by pressing two buttons >dragon levels are on rails and the only way to progress is do Simon says qte >open large levels are just the same levels from 2016 and Eternal with demon nests, but with fewer enemies and worse gameplay pacing>for some reason they decided to focus heavily on the plot, which is written in the worst MCU manner>the only good part is Lovecraft dimension, but it's really short and struggles from a same problem as their "open area" levels>you fight the same boss 5 times and it's copy paste from TGA Part 2 final boss
>>739107050The Ancient Gods Part 1 > Eternal > 2016 > The Ancient Gods Part 2 > The Dark Ages
modern dev times and diminishing graphical returns make straight trilogies kind of a hard sell. 5 years after doom eternal people had kind of had their fill of doom 2016 I think.
>>739107029ywnbaw womp womp
>>739107158Rage bait
>>739107058oh and also >game have not a single memorable song in it
>>739106548>Bitch cowards couldn't make make a new Hexen>Give Doomguy a stupid fucking shield instead and make him parry things
>>739106548All I ever wanted from the Doom series was Doom Guy fighting the famous abrahamic demons like Moloch, Baphomet, Leviathan, Mammon, etc. I never got that as such the Doom franchise disappointed me. There are so many demons across many cultures that it would be easy to use them and show them off with modern graphics. But nope the franchise is content with made up nonsense demons and Lovecraft style creatures that aren't even demons.Doom will never fix itself up.
>I am no the villain of this storyID saw people liking the cool charismatic robot guy that had like ten lines of dialogue in the entire game and decided to turn the sequels into full blown out cinematic slop with forced vehicle sequences that make the old Cod campaigns look like high art
>>739107058Gay ass Returnal really seems to have scared some people.
>>739106548I want to have Doom Guy’s kids
Still crying lol
>>739107338it only scared 2 autistis from /v/ and ign reviewers
>>739107358>im havin a blast
>>739106639>about angels being even worse than demonsGetting real tired of this horrible cliche and I blame Bayonetta for it in gaming.
>>739106548No soundtrack, shitty gameplay that requires zero aim and skill, you just press right mouse button when you see green.Level design is dogshit, its all a gigantic flat surface and all of the secrets are behind colour locked doors that open after you finish the whole level and have to backtrack the entire fucking level in total silence for 30 minutes, looking for a god damn toy to collect.That is all i have to say about it.I 100% the whole game on my first playthrough and will never ever play it again.All it did was made me want to replay 2016 and Eternal to get some actual fucking brutality, violence and just plain fun.
>>739106598They over-corrected in responding to some of the complaints directed at Eternal and the game suffers for it but the core gameplay is still excellent and the shield is well-implemented, I really appreciate the boldness of them trying something completely different with each new game.The chainshot is also incredibly fun to use.Will revisit when I clear my backlog.
>>739107882>the core gameplay is still excellentits unplayable dogshit. >you dont have to use more than 1 gun in the entire game>the gameplay is just pressing right click when you see a FUCKING GIGANTIC green ball pop up>you dont even have to aim>all the guns have splash damage that covers the entire screenWHO DESIGNEDTHIS
>>739107050what is it about this that makes me look at it and think "this is boring"its neither scary, nor dark, nor cool or interestingbesides a bit of blood splatter its almost cartoony, the blade claw is really the only thing that stands out as being somewhat threatening
I'm a 35+ boomer who grew up with FPS games, started with Wolfenstein 3D, then Doom, Doom 2, Quake, Quake 2, etc., played lots of Quake 3 Arena and played Unreal Tournament competitively, so this is not a git gud or skill issue: I fucking hated Eternal so I won't be touching Dark Ages. I finished Eternal on Nightmare, but I didn't have fun. 2016 was okay.
>>739108140Thanks for the blog, uncle. Back to the retirement home with you. Easy on the hip bone.
>>739108180You're welcome, neph. 6-7, amirite?
>>739107882>The chainshot is also incredibly fun to use.oh man.>get chainshot>dont have to use any other game for the rest of the gamehorrible game design.
>>739108180no cap frfr amirite chat?
>>739107158/thread
>>739107434Does it matter what others think for singleplayer games? Its inherently a solo experience
>>739108140>im 40 and i hated eternalim 40 and i loved eternal and you're full of shit. Dark Ages isnt even a DOOM game - i can finish the whole fucking thing without shooting - it aint DOOM.
>>739108456You're 40, but you're struggling heavily with reading comprehension and basic concepts.
Eternal is my favorite of the new Doom games, so I hated Dark Ages.Shame, because aesthetically it's my favorite. But the soundtrack is the weakest in the trilogy and the gameplay seems to be the complete antithesis of everything that I liked about Eternal so much. Also, it's been mentioned itt but it's baffling to me that the devs were so spot on with the first game about Doomguy (and the player) not giving a fuck about the plot and keeping the railroad/forced story segments to a minimum. Only to add a bit more in Eternal (which nobody liked), then going full blown AAA movie game bullshit with Dark Ages.
>>739108503The more I read about Dark Ages the less I feel that I should play it.
>>739108487hating eternal makes you a cock sucking homosexual by default.
>>739107158Incredibly based ranking. I love replaying ancient gods part one every now and then because it's just pure doom eternal at its best and encounter after encounter with less breaks or exploration or challenge shit, and the devs sorta trolling you but not going way too far like they did in the rushed mess that is TAG2.
>>739108557then don't?
>>739106598Its easy and boring as fuck.Even the music is a fucking mess in this one
>>739108503the level designed somehow felt the most jarring. whos fucking idea was it to hide ALL THE FUCKING SECRETS behind dumbass puzzles, 10 miles apart from each other?IT KILLS ALL T HE BUZZ.ITS KILLS ALL THE FUN. >YAY NOW IM GONNA SPEND THE NEXT 30 MINUTES IN TOTAL SILENCE LOOKING FOR DOG STATUESat least leave the music on, for fucks sake Hugo......
>>739108729>Even the music is a fucking messits all the same guitar riff, what a dissapointment.
>>739108732maybe just play the game? the secrets are meant for 100% autists
>>739106598play it on 150% speed with minimum parry window
>>739108652I'm sorry it triggered you, I'm sure you'll get over it.
>>739108773>the level design is dogshit>maybe play the game?XD
>>739108773nta but finding the secrets is part of DOOM's gameplayThat's like saying to just get through a collectathon platformer level asap.
>>739108871>the level design is designed for gameplay and not ubisoft tier hunting for dogshit that theyre forced to put into the game to appease autists like you??
The molasses slow weapon switching speed killed the game for me even harder than the terrible flat level design and godawaful flying/mech segments did.
>>739106548So where's the DLC?
>>739108910>finding "secrets">gameplayi lol'd
>>739108773>the secrets are meant for 100% autistsno they are not. secrets in DOOM games were always "1 step away" if you knew where to look.from doom 1, 2, 64, 3, 2016, and eternal. >dark ages>the secret is 9000 miles THAT way>but first>find 3 dog statues 600 miles in the OTHER way
>>739108945who are you quoting sweetie? >i dunno im making shit up i never played any other doom gamesoh ok kiddo.
>>739108981have you considered you skill issue'd finding the dog statues organically
the part i don’t get is why they tried to reinvent the wheel, just make some random levels, drop in some mobs and let people shoot at them, call it the new doom something something done, but no, they had to create this abomination for some reason.
>>739109024yeah that's who the target audience was chud, the times have changed unc it's not the 90s
>>739108180>played Unreal Tournamentopinion discarded, you are a faggot
>>739109040>is the globally agreed shitty map design a skill issueno.
>>739109059>the target audience of DARK AGES wasnt DOOM fans>it fucking flopped:(
>>739108981>1 step away if you knew where to look>if you knew where to lookNOOO YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO WASTE A LOT OF MY TIME ONLY A MEDIUM AMOUNT OF IT*sigh* smhing my head, all you unc samas are the same
>>739109147thoughhowevermaybeit that is the state of singleplayer shooters in current year+11
>>739109056they did that with doom 2 and it sucked ass
>Eternal and 2016 have had more current players on The Dark Ages release day>inb4 muh gaypasssilksong, expedition and etc.
>>739109295>the better games that sold more have more players???what's your point baka
SHITAND FART
>>739108729>it’s easySorry was doom supposed to be hard ?
>>739109350My point that 9 years and 5 years old games have more players then freshly launched game
>>739106598It was everything/v/ wanted
>>739106548I don't even treat TDA as a Doom game, you can do a lot of shit to Doom like turning it into arenaslop with no level design to speak of as long as the shooting is fun, but turning it into a quasi-melee game goes too far
>>739109190>>739109225>make a next game in an already existing franchise>change everything about it, make it unrecognisable>the game has no target audience now>it flopsmany such cases in modern gaming.
>>739109442yeah cuz they sold more and were reviewed by journos and the community to be better gamesdid you not know that or what?
>>739107945>WHO>DESIGNED>THISPeople who listened to /v/'s crying and whining
Civvie liked it, so it's ok game
>>739109476You can actually play the game offensively and charge at demons, but the turret sections are a step too fucking far. The stamina bar in Doom 3 had a reliable walk-around via bhopping, TDA does not.
>>739106548this is the first id game I disliked. It broke my GPU and 2 different forms of DRM got tripped when it broke my GPU so I lost access to the game indefinitely. Never using a Microsoft product again.
>>739109490such is life, things can't last forevertheres simply not much money to be squeezed from doom anymore
>>739109557Charging at demons with the shield is part of the quasi-melee game that shouldn't be there
>>739107882>The chainshot is also incredibly fun to use.I'm pissed off it doesn't have unlimited ammo. I can excuse your fists having ammunition but it's a literal ball on a chain, does it get tired or what?
I'm glad these fuckers aren't making Quake games anymore.
>>739109490Yeah cuz rehashing 2016 doom would've sold so much dood, people just don't really want singleplayer shooters anymore, it's all about battle royales and squadding up nigguh hop on the muhfuggin game, there's no revenue for AAA singleplayer shooters to justify the costsOnly indie games can make it work now
Haven't kept up with Dewm ever since the 2016 one. How's the gameplay in Eternal and this last one? Also, how's the overall story like? Leftwing faggot propaganda about how angels are somehow evil? Or are the angels actually manipulative demons that cosplay well? That last one could work, really. But then again I also heard they made Samuel Hayden evil so that already kinda kills my hopes.
>>739109652nobody cares about quake anon even quakecon is all about doom
>>739109626Dunno man, I spent like 400 hours jumping at imps with the shotgun and sawing the balls of Archviles in Doom 3 so the melee is not really a problem for me. In classic Doom you use the chainsaw against pinkies and get up close to make good value of your SSG shots too.
>>739109780plot is practically incomprehensible, gameplay is alright to pretty good
>>739109517apparently you trying to make some smug remark, but you only keep embarrassing yourself with that
>>739109794The problem is your movement is very slow and charging with the shield is literally your only movement option. That is very different from chainsawing pinkies in Doom 2
>>739106548There are no bad doom games.
>>739107515demons are angels. The catholic stories of angels and demons are literally just some demons wanted the freedom of choice that humans had so they were banished to live beneath the earth. In this setting, if demons are bad, so are angels. Neither of them have freedom of choice, both of them are disinterested in life.That's the point of bayonetta 1 and it's the reason witches are protagonists.
>>739109792I do. That new expansion was good.
>>739109808saar you cannot typing in the english very good go study more to blend in better and improve izzat
>>739109624>>739109728>more of Eternal would sell moreyup, this.
>>739109780arenaslop gameplay peaked with eternal, dark ages is a melee game, the plot is about as important as a story in a porno
>>739109902>DOOM is a melee game now>it flopped
>>739109860only jeets start calling others jeets then they have nothing more to sayКтo бы coмнeвaлcя, ocoбeннo пocлe твoeгo пepвoгo пocтa. Пepeвoди этo, paб.
>>739109892>Wow billion dollar companies should really consult 4chan for business strategies
>>739109846Maximum Doom.
>>739109814Okay, I get your point but I still like TDA more than Doom 4 which also has incredibly slow jogging speed. I just think that the turret sections are the main reason I wouldn't classify it as a Doom game.
>>739109962They did consult 4chan, they removed all verticality and movement from The Dark Ages in response to chuddies crying about bing bing wahoo, as well as any reason to ever switch weapons since that was too difficult too.
>>739109962they should just consult this thing called "common sense" and not make DOOM an open world melee game. >WELL IM MAKING IT ANYWAY!>0 sold copies
>>739110029Honestly the big mech sections were far worse, but maybe there's more turret sections later in the game as I only got about halfway through before quittingIn any case the mech sections, turrets, melee, all lend to why I don't consider it Doom: not enough shooting demons with a shotgun
>>739110124did you play the game? it wasnt really open world rlmtranny
>>739109962>no movement, no ADHD gameplay, its super easy, just press block when you see the colour greenapparently they DID consult 4chan.
>>739106598Too much filler, not enough variety in the combat.
>>739110162chuddie sees a big branching level and concludes it to be open world, it's that simple.
>>739110142Okay fair. There are like 3-4 mech sections and I think 2 turret ones. Also you get to ride the dragon like 6 separate times if not more. The bloat is inexcusable. I played on 150% speed and only charged forward so I didn't feel the movement much.
>>739106548I don't like any of the nudoom trilogy because none of them have that action-horror dungeon crawler vibe that the originals had. I honestly prefer Doom 3, even though I also have major issues with that game, too.
>>739110162>>739110214>all the levels are 9000 square mile flat grey parking lots>0 copies sold>0 concurrent players: (
>>739110218The ground combat only clicked for me on level 17 though so quitting halfway wouldn't be a fair way to judge the game for me.
>>739110124>open worldWhen?
>>739109549it's 2026 and normalfags still worship e-celebs, what went wrong with our education system?
>replayed Doom 3 one year ago it gets really boring in later parts, especially after first hell trip
>>739110276Civvie is /v/approved
ai jeetslop
>>739110276Having any idols at all is retarded. You have God and if you don't, you should just stop worshipping other people regardless.
>>739107158Objectively correct
>>739110264He is tripling down on "playing" the game through /v/ threads. So that's when.
>>739107158After playing Kaiser Campaign, normal DOOM Eternal is just too easy due to very sparse enemy compositions. It shows just how much potential the combat loop in Eternal hasIMO the enemies make it overall better than ULTRAKILL (which has a better healing system and movement/bosses, and while the combos are fun they could be better by being more strategic instead they're all just flavors of AoE damage)https://youtu.be/x5fQmePmk6E?t=1054Hugo really could make nuD44M 4 - Eternal 2 off the rails of he wanted.
>>739110307Sarrr
>>739110246>i could teleport around the map in Eternal after i got to the end of the level to get all the missed secrets>this is removed from Dark AgesYOU *WILL* WASTE YOUR TIME WALKING AROUND AN EMPTY BORING MAP.
>>739110285Phobos mod is fun, just gotta sit through HL2/D44m-esque sections of unskippable cutscenes because you have to care about the story, you just have to
You guys really do Sperg at anything doom related is it rage bait or just shitskins who only play weeb slop
>>739110357Just check the automap every 5 seconds to make sure you don't miss anything.And if you do, replay this 30-minute level to find it. :)
>>739110306this /v/ guy sounds like a massive nigger faggot
Was The Dark Ages better than Eternal? No.Was The Dark Ages better than every other AAA FPS in the past 10 years? Yes.
TDA exposed how wrong the eternal hater schizos were. Arenaslop? Gone! Glorykill cutsceneshitting? Gone! Weaponswap twitchy zoomer spam? Gone! Not being able to spam melee? Gone! Bing bing wahoo platforming and too many colors? Gone! Catered to every single bitched about complaint you saw spammed daily and the result was a fucking turd
>>739107158>>739108673>>739110313Why is TAG2 bad
>>739110390The fur is goated but I hate the cape. It's just trying too hard to look cool.
>>739106598Boring. I didn't like it better than Eternal but it's not saying much.
>>739110427Final bossEnemy repaintsLazy enemy encounter designEasyNerfed TAG1 to make the difficulty more inline between campaignsHammer trivializes everything
>>739110390Dark ages just isn't that good compared to what came before anon
“Master Arenas" perhaps something related to Slayer Gates or something similar to Escalation Encounters. Slayer Gates are returning. Similar to “The Holt” Slayer Gate in difficulty. The Archville will return. Mobility will play a major role in the DLC, Every new mechanic will meaningfully affect gameplay A secret weapon that will require work to unlock. The weapon is "tied to a meaningful piece of lore, that [id is] going to share with us" The DLC skill ceiling is super high. Quickswapping tech is in the DLC, Hugo commented “Interesting” for a Quickswap between the Spear and Shield. New Spear weapon. Dash with Hugo saying “I didn’t say where it is, I didn’t say what it is specifically” “You could maybe dash evade and stab with something” “Throw” (Perhaps throwing the spear or maybe a separate weapon-like an Axe???) “Can combine/use that tool with other tools, feels great.” “Mastering one of the tools requires a lot of investment, but unlocking its potential transforms the game into something else.” The gameplay loop can still be the same, but with fresh new stuff, there will also be a new loop to master that sticks to the impactful monster truck gameplay of the Dark Ages.
>>739110409can you even name other AAA singleplayer fps games in the past 10 years than doom lol
>>739110427Because they listened to IGN reviewer and downgraded difficulty, arenas and final boss completely. Difficulty and pacing in TGA 1 and 2 are on different levels and it's really noticeable
>>739110480 We will most likely see more of the cosmic realm. There will be a hub area; Presumably the Kreed Maykr’s ship, which will “Expand in meaningful ways”- The Hub will also be “Less cheeky and more immersive” Exploration will have a stronger role in overall progression. Challenges will also be based on Combat, Exploration and Puzzles! The DLC will have “light metroid-vania elements but lots of backtracking throughout the whole experience via locks and keys” Levels will feature more backtracking, more unlocking of the space. Additional mobility options will be available, and some sections will require them. Roughly 30% of content will be inaccessible until the DLC’s story is completed. The DLC is MASSIVE. It’s BIG. “It’s basically like a sequel” according to Hugo, the expansion is HUGE
>>739110512Not really, no.
>>739110480>>739110517fuck, I actually bought deluxe edition
>>739110453I really liked the hammer as a means to get ammo back, it felt more involved than the infinitely-recharging chainsaw. The stun was way too powerful, but it was still fun to use.
>>739110549Nigger paid full price for DLC that constantly goes on sale before the release date, couldn't be me.
>>739110480>>739110517Lack of good level design and exploration is literally the number one complaint I have about the nudoom series, if this is true I'm shidding my pants
>>739110427>Why is TAG2 badits SUPER EASY, and then you get to the final BULLSHIT BOSS:>you have to stand in a precise distance from the boss>otherwise he just keeps doing his stupid bullshit>hits you once>heals back to fulltook me close to 2 fucking hours to finish this bullshit fucking fight.
>>739106598was weaker than eternal still the best shooter you can play.
>>739110427>developed during covid>first thing made after TAG1 got casual backlash which seemed to shake them and make them insecure in their design>has lots of actual genuine simon says enemies which are less interesting to fight than the spirit>also has less interesting/fun "mean" encounters>generally not really a meaningful escalation from tag1, hammer makes encounters much easier>final boss is just a big marauder>the plot goes from shaky to genuinely stupid here and does way too much that's too important too fast in a poor wayIt's not all shit it's just disappointing at the point you play it, master levels are fun
>>739110598I love (well, loved) doom, I've trusted ID after Eternal
>>739110246So? It not selling well didn't affect my experience and I personally hope Bethesda goes out of business and is shut down
>>739110643People that hate easy bosses the most get filtered by them the most often, huh.
>>739107358Still blows my mind that 2016 Doom lost GOTY against Overwatch 1. Like it was the game that revived Doom as a franchise.
>>739110643The boss isn't even hard, it's just repetitive. 5 health bars of the exact same thing. They don't even change up the arena, just the skyboxes.
>>739110726it just wasnt as good as overwatch unc
>>739110591Agreeable enough, a way to get ammo back that doesn't put you in a cutscene felt good to have but it did lead to you bulldozing encounters even harder
>>739110453>>739110513>>739110643>>739110658>>739110737funniest thing is that they reused that boss for the dark ages and made player fight it 5 times
>>739110726overwatch 1 was very good in 2016, so was d44m but in hindsight we were just starved for any decent singleplayer fps. it was way too easy too
>>739110820i mean it was pretty clear dark ages was made on a shoestring budget... (for a AAA)
>>739110643>>739110737DOOM bosses always were, and always should be:>shoot at it until it diesTAG2 would be ok of all the maps had 500% more enemies and the end boss wasnt a motherfucking marauder in warhammer power armor.
So why did id suddenly start hating Mick Gordon?
>>739110898He's a conservative, jews own the company now
>>739106598I think it's the best of the new Doom trilogy personally or at least better than Eternal with its "use the rapid fire shotgun on the Rapid Fire Shotgun Imp" shitIt's too easy though and needs one more higher difficulty setting
>>739110870TGA1 boss was good thoReally skill hungry and required full movement set and weapons
>>739110819In my ideal Doom Eternal, you'd have enemies drop ammo when breaking weak points. I tried to implement this when the mod tools released, but it never worked in the retail game. Only against console-spawned monsters.
>>739110870I mean Ultrakill demonstrates that action mechanics in shooters like a rollslop button make for good bosses but Eternal is all about CC and junk which is why TAG1's final boss is some weird puzzle bossI don't really know how you make a great 1v1 boss with eternal's mechanics by themselves, gladiator is just "pretty good"
>>739110726Overwatch established the popularity of hero shooters as they exist today which is still more influential unfortunately
>one year passed >no DLC news >probably saving it for QuakeconI mean, no one cares at this point tho
>>739111145I care a little if the trust me bro posts earlier are true
>>739111172So they invented Eternal 2
>>739111208More like they discovered good level design actually belongs in singleplayer fps
>>739111172>trust me bro postsIt's all stuff that's been announced during livestreams.
>>739111145I think Hugo is very receptive to feed back so I am interested. He seems very aware that they've lost much of the passion on this one and is trying to recapture it.My expectation is that it falls short, frankly. TDA's core gameplay just isn't as fun and ripe for development as 2016's was. We'll see.
>>739110306No, he is nott. /v/
>>739111235>believing a bethesda associated developer discovered anything beneficialI shiggy diggy
>>739111172The Game director constantly streams himself playing games every week and he leaks stuff about the DLC therehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xTEDPG5Do8&t=405s
I'm going through my screenshots, and maybe it's because I had just started wageslaving when I played it, but I barely remember a fucking thing about this game. I can remember the big story beats from '16 and Eternal clearly, but the big standouts with TDA was the Sneed Maykr + Evil Seris and Raum from Paladins were doing shit with Hell, that, and my 4070S was unfortunately not really coping well with partshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIAs3ivFuw0
>>739107058I blame Nier Automata for turning triple A games into bullet hell memes
>>739111285i'm absolutely ready to deal with tda's core gameplay if hugo's claims of metroidvania-like levels with backtracking and puzzles have any merit to them. i've played games with some absolute dogshit combat that are elevated by great level design.
>no giant Khan with sexy voice>game went to shit
>>739106598Still p. Good, but the highlight is the three level Cthulhu area where the stupid plot takes a backseat.Was too easy on launch.
>>739111378I could not believe what I was seeing when doomguy turned into a fucking zombie. That is almost funny for how stupid it is
>>739111532That would have been a good time to reset the player's arsenal and encourage the use of different weapons for once. What a waste.
Hell
>>739110480>meaningful piece of lorejesus christ would he just stop, none of the "lore" shit is good or interesting. it's just uninspired trash that ruins what should be a simple excuse plot
>>739111416After TDA I'm sort of hesitant to see "more exploration and backtracking" as a great thing even if I don't hate the idea of a new exploration-heavy doom.It just didn't feel super rewarding in TDA. In classic doom they're resource management games so you get cool stuff that you get to immediately use for doing it. In some other games it's lore tidbits but nudoom's story is forgettable and bad. In TDA it was generally upgrade resources similar to 2016 and Eternal, but it took so long, and the puzzles were so tedious and felt so drawn out compared to Eternal, and on top of that they designed the game so that you only need to and will probably only use a handful of weapons at best, so even when you find stuff, good chance it doesn't change how you play at all in the later missions.
>>739106548>medieval castles and knight armour but also energy shields and turbo futuristic weapons from like halo or somethingIncomprehensible
>>739111705playing TDA UN and exploring for early upgrades on Siege 1 got unbelievably tiresome after a few attempts
>>739111727I wish they went full Hexen/Heretic route.
>>739110726Overwatch 1 is a better fps. But eternal is better than both
>>739109269Doom 2 is better doe
>>739112408the weapons and enemies are (mostly) fun additions but doom 2's OG maps kinda suck man
>>739109269>a couple of bad levels makes Doom 2 "suck ass">ignoring that Doom 1 had episode 2 and 3
At least we have indie devs properly innovating
>>739112472who plays the finals and thinks "i need to make this into a roguelike bullet hell movement shooter"
>>739112457When people talk about "mazey" levels in (ultimate) doom, they almost exclusively refer to episode 2 maps. Episode 3 on the other hand is to this day the most dogshit commercial map set ever released for doom
>>739106598It's alright but the mech sections are pure cancer
>>739111145>barely 1 small patch for a year>not a peep about any DLCDark Ages cant be salvaged into a fun game, it would require taking out the stupid fucking shield entirely and scrapping the "press button to parry" mechanic - it simply doesnt fucking belong in a DOOM game.
>>739107029I agree regarding the new dimensional lore. Doom used to be edgy. There was only Hell and Earth. There was only chaotic evil, and righteous hatred of chaotic evil. Heaven was just cope to allow mortals to have hope. If demons invade, no one's going to help you. You need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and kill them all yourself.I mean, I guess you could twist the Eternal lore to be like that, where all there ever were is various forms of interdimensional cybernetic demons, and they just joined forces to subjugate mortals and built a mythos to indoctrinate them around the whole thing. I does accomplish the same thing but in a needlessly complicated way.
>>739112538they had a few secret patches (they can patch the game online without patching the files because the future is terrifying) and we've gotten a lot of information from hugo streams, I think we get information and a release date within two monthsmaybe they'll ape sekiro more and give you more responses to attacks than "move out of the way or block," they took inspiration from an action game but your responses are too easy and simple
>>739112598funnily enough "moving out of the way" is often not even an option because you move so fucking slowly. unless you shield bash some nigga in the distance.
>>739112598if they double down on the dumbass shield, its over.
>>739112598>>739112636ironically, you dont actually get out of the way, you GET INTO THE WAY.>purposely run into the green balls to parry game is broken at the concept level.
>>739112587I like the idea of """"heaven""" existing but it's evil too for Doom, 2016 thrived on righteous anger towards authority that crushed the innocent so a holier than thou divine hiearchy that lectures you about how humanity must be sacrificed seems perfectthey probably figured it was too obvious to treat as a twist but I think it would be more emotionally effective if they had treated it more like one instead of the makyrs being obviously evil from the start, it's very easy to imagine the moment where they turn on you in my head
>>739112698oh yea i completely forgot about that, gameplay often devolved into running straight into the green light because that's by far the best option you have, from both defensive AND offensive standpoint. fix your shit hugo.
>>739112636sprinting and turning around often does the trick since sprinting is so much faster than strafing, and sometimes you are better off dodging since many attacks are unparriable and getting guardbroken is death
>>739112587>>739112712>le "there is no hope in this universe and only suffering and even the angels are EEEVILLL" is good writing No. This shit gay. Unironically. Sounds like something a 13 year old goth edgelord s*tanist faggot would write. I don't mind Doom being some flavor of edgy but there are better flavors out there to taste.
>>739112873>13 year old goth edgelord s*tanist faggot But enough about Romero
>>739111646Cry baby
>>739106598It's the worst of the trilogy and has bad balancing between the weapon types, but it's still a lot of fun.
>>739112873but "there is no hope in the universe" isn't what it would be like because the series is fundamentally about crushing evil. Honestly I think having a "good" divine force would dilute it a bit, lessens the "against all reason you fight back" aspect
>>739106548>dlc cancelledNO REFUNDS FOR DELUXE EDITIONS
>>739112915lol fair But like I am sure even he finds the current "story" to be ass. And not the good kind of ass either.
>>739112873What about "even the angels are evil and the universe is cold and unloving. Therefore the only hope is ourselves, the only hope is humanity, let's fuck shit up"?
>>739112538theres no way the shield goes away in the dlc the entire game is built around it, I don't think parrying will be handled the same way if they make yet another new doom game but I could see it continuing to exist with ultrakill handling it so effectively
i was less forced to see a fucking cutscene every time i killed a damn enemy so it was better than the last 2 or 3 nudooms
>>739112990sounds based
>>739112698>>739112756>gameplay often devolved into running straight into the green light because that's by far the best option you have, from both defensive AND offensive standpoint. fix your shit hugo.the final upgrades are so fucking broken. >each time you parry (which is 50 times per second)>you launch a gigantic lightning storm killing everybody on the mapso the game literally devolves into "IM CATCHING ALL THE GREEN BALLS FOR A FREE BFG SHOT!"whodesignedthis.
>>739112962>Honestly I think having a "good" divine force would dilute it a bitYou can have an actual good force that just works in the background and from afar, not intervening directly. No need for that when there's Doomguy out there. That way you have even more of a difference between good and evil. Evil charges in with a shitload of demons to burn planets down. Good pulls some strings subtly and has Doomguy as the one champion to stop an army of demon fodder.
>>739112990That's just the plot of Spawn's comics
>>739112873I agree that it's lame to just write the angels to be evil, and even worse to write the demons as basically being just another victim of the angels. I do think it was better in the original game, when there was no retarded artificial binary juxtaposition of red and blue teams. Ying and Yang are just a simplistic human concept and a boring way to write anything. The creation of a species that can only count to two. In Doom 1 there are humans in our reality, there are demons in Hell, and we care about nothing else. The demons are the evil, and your justified violence against them in defense of your own survival is the good. Angels have no room in that equation.>>739112962The player is the good. Needing a divine existence of your own to bolster your righteous fury against evil is just as cringe as writing angels to be evil.
>>739112990still gaywhat is the point to angels being evil supernatural beings when you have the demons filling that role already?
>>739112516That's not Thy Flesh Consumed, TNT, or Legacy of Rust.
>>739112975Yeah the new story line is absolute garbage, it's better to just skip all cutscenes anyway
>>739113173what kind of giganigger hates legacy of rust
>>739113114People absolutely hated when they (incorrectly, sasuga hugo) got the impression that everything doomguy had done was the machinations of samuel or the dark lord and I feel like that would be pretty similar. So much of the fantasy is about having an evil authority that you crush through spite and your own force of will, I don't think people want Doomguy to be truly subservient to any force even if it's "in the background"
>>739106548It should have been great, it was so refreshing being able to kill enemies just by shooting them unlike 2016 and Eternal, but they doubled down on the cringe marvelslop story and put in those boring flying sections and mech sections
>>739113207The kind of person who made it to the final two levels. When they've completely given up and their idea of a challenge is a dozen archviles followed by a dozen cyberdemons.
>>739113160Variety, demons and angels can both be "evil" towards humanity but the way they express it can be very different.
>>739113139>Needing a divine existence of your own to bolster your righteous fury against evil is just as cringe asNah. Besides, in one of the Slayer's Testaments in DOOM '16 if I remember correctly it says that a Seraphim blessed Doomguy with "great strength and stamina" or some such. Like he was already strong but he just got a deserved buff to be even more efficient. Nothing wrong with that.
>>739113139It's just a fun dynamic and a nice artistic shakeup to have something less "chaotic evil, devour and eat everything" and more "you will be devoured as it is the natural order and for the sake of prosperity." You don't have to literally go "GOD IS EVIL" like SMT but humanity being opposed on all sides is very fun and emotionally compelling there and urdak/makyr enemies were fun in eternal, IMO
>>739113207or Thy Flesh Consumed, for that matter
>>739113273they explain that in eternal as hayden stuffing him in the divinity machine and again, people took gumption with that explanation because they felt it took credit away from doomguy's exploits. I thought it was okay because it was an attempted manipulation that didn't work out for hayden but I get why people didn't like it.
>>739113304Someone who played beyond the first two levels.
>>739113217Ok but working with an allied force doesn't mean you are necessarily subservient to it. I guess we'll see if the story continues to suck or if it gets better if a new game comes out. Which is a question that I gotta ask. Is there anything pointing to a new game in the future?
>>739113446>>739113245I don't know man, you seem like a huge fag in both cases
>>739113446But the best map is level 6
>>739113363They also explain in Eternal that he was really good at killing stuff from the moment he was discovered.
>>739113502When was the last time you actually played through all of the iwads? E3 isn't great, but it's far from "the worst commercial levels ever released"
>>739113491it's by far id's strongest IP right now and hugo has said that they'd be happy making doom games forever, but who knows with TDA not performing taht great
>>739113601Last year and episode 3 absolutely is the worst
>>739113659nah
>>739113363>took credit away from doomguy's exploitsEven Doomguy fails sometimes. Again, in the story of '16, the only reason Doomguy got freed from that big ole stone sarcophagus is because Hayden got involved. Chances are he woulda been trapped forever otherwise, or until he died of lack of energy or something. It's even funnier when you find out how the demons captured the guy in the first place. I think it's one of the Testaments again that tells something about an obsidian fortress with some huge pillars and shit. A lotta demons go there, intentionally, to bait Doomguy. The guy takes the bait and the demons crumble the whole place on him and he gets trapped like an absolute moron.
>>739106548Oh... yeah... that happened.
>>739113748well if you spend thousands of years just wandering around hell punishing demons you're bound to get a little careless eventually just from boredom
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>>739113748 He also fell into their trap at the end of E1. He only made it to Hell because he died.
>>739108385You could make the argument that it matters when wanting to discuss the objective quality of a game in a video game thread. You know, like the one you clicked on.
>>739113794Understandable. I agree. But many people seem to think that showing Doomguy/slayer fail somehow ruins his character. Like shit, in the old games he wasn't even a demi-god type of dude, he was just a really strong and fast space marine on mars able to carry an obscene amount of guns somehow. Not immortal or unbeatable, just tough with a limit.
>>739113946I think people just want him to be chaotic and self-driven more than anything else. People didn't seem to actually care too much when he died in dark ages.
>>739106548The woke ages, dont ask.Ethernal the best, 2016 is short to me.
>>739113946Having him fail outside of the player's control contradicts the gameplay-driven narrative. He gets jerked off so much in-universe because of what you're up against in the levels.
>>739113265again, angels and/or God being evil is in all seriousness troon-coded writing the simplest way I can put it, anon
>>739106598The gameplay is probably the bets of the nu dooms but the level design is horrible. Just large flat empty maps with filler to do.
>>739114243don't be a christfag man, this is an otaku board, long history of divine antagonists in games because they're fun
>>739114049Retard
>>739114327I think anon forgot about Lucifer.
>>739113273>Nah>and my argument is that the game does otherwiseI wasn't making an assertion of what the game does, I was voicing an opinion that I would prefer a Doom that has no place for gods. I think it's more fitting for it to be man vs demon. Angels would just get in the way. It's not Jesus fanfiction. Let Jesus be some lame ancient human shit that a cosmos has no consideration for, and let demons be the thing that's real and something that mankind has to face.
>>739114243Read the fucking Bible, tranny, while I would not call God "evil" he is not "good" by any means,
>>739106598It's not horrific but it's not good. Get it on a heavy discount if you like the modern Doom games.>>739111387How? The Nier games (Replicnat/Gestalt, Replicant v1.22 and Automata) always made the bullet hell aspects of the game very high octane and always have fast-paced action mixed in with them. You can always shoot the bullets, jump over/dodge them or clear them out with actual attacks a weapon.Doom the Dark Ages bullet hell gameplay is based on that game's Simon Says lame parry mechanic. They're not even comparable
>>739106548It was good the antichrist just didn't like it so they tried to bury it.
>>739113691yah
>>739114645Dark Ages has a single enemy that throws out an array of projectiles. Enemy density is never high enough to make you actually weave around projectiles.
Mankind's obsession with simplistic dualities like devil vs god is probably some evolutionary vestige stemming from roughly binary concepts in the lives of Earth organisms. Like day and night, or hot and cold. Writing stories where you just have to have two opposing teams seems like you're shackling yourself to a primitive understanding of existence, when we know for a fact that reality is not discrete values, but quantum probabilities and constructive interference. Doom doesn't need angels. It needs entropy. Demons are intact, and a more stable and preferrable state is for them to instead be smashed into small piles of putrid debris.
>>739114835Evil reminds me of black people so binary good vs evil is racist
>>739114327>christfagIronic you call me that when the people most opposed to religion are the actual, literal faggots. >otaku boardSo?>>739114365Lucifer used to be an angel. Before he turned evil and became a demon. But actual angels aren't evil.>>739114407>I would prefer a Doom that has no place for godsFair enough. But to me it makes no sense that demons somehow exist and there's no other supranatural thing besides them. Sounds like a half-finished universe to me. Might as well have the demons be weird ass, ugly aliens at that point.
>>739114049>le woman = woke Kys
>>739114967>takes genuine offense to "christfag"the state of this board
>>739114981if only it was a woman, it's actually the third gender california has discovered call girlboss
>>739114981it was a woman?honestly couldnt say with the square jaw.
>>739114497>not "good" by any meansYet you call me the that word. You sound like a mad and projecting troon.
>>739114967Did my man just really get triggered by 'christfag'
>>739115101Lads, he went into his WH40k folder, be careful
>>739114835That is a lot of words for such little meaning.
>>739115004I am not for real offended. But like that term is retarded is all I mean to say.
>>739113173>Thy Flesh ConsumedPerfect Hatred and Against The Wickedly are some of the best maps in the iwad. Hell Beneath is a strong oppressive opener. The rest are generally decent too, with the only outright bad level here being Fear. >TNTIts a mixed bag for sure. But I won't deny it had some cool ideas for its time. Secret levels are fun.>Legacy of RustI didn't hate it, though it definitely falls off in the final levels, and its stylistically all over the place.
I vaguely agree with the christfag that evil angels in Doom is kind of gay due to being redundant
>>739114967>o me it makes no sense that demons somehow exist and there's no other supranatural thing besides them.I think it's a grand enough feat for mankind to have found a connection to one parallel plane. Even Half-Life's justification for connecting to two was a bit far-fetched, because the one reality mankind just happened to contact was the dimension colonized by the escaped slaves of a multiversal plague of devouring locusts and so in the sequel the bad guys are that pestilence.
>>739115048Never seen German woman?
>>739115250>angels, heaven, christianity in general is twister and warped in games and movies since like 2000the jews hate everything christianity stands for.
>>739115171That's the only image related purely to that, that I have. I saved it cuz I like how it's drawn. It also sits in the same mased together folder with this thing.
>>739115250I just view it as artistic and enemy variety. Again they don't have to be LITERAL angels, just something that evokes detached divinity
>>739115274THATS how german women look like?no wonder they keep invading other countries - they are looking for pretty women.
>>739114327>>739115004>>739115109Forgot to tip your fedora atheist cuck tranny
>>739115250>>739115309Here is the real question: When are we getting a doom game where we fight Soros and/or Allah at the end? (it's cuz they are actually evil)
>>739115216there was a time where if you took offense at a JRPG having you fight the abrahamic god because having you fight the all-powerful king of the universe was cool as shit you'd instantly be laughed out of the thread
>>739115429>the jew god is baal and molochi guess Diablo 2 is based as fuck.
>>739115418The culture war has given you brainrot
>>739115328>feels the need to defend his picture choices on an anonymous dick-sucking forumyou are even more of a fag than the OP
>>739115437Sounds like a gay-ass time to me, anon. No offense. >>739115495(You)
>>739115187Firstly, it's three lines of text in an obsolete monitor size that not many even have anymore. Secondly, it makes perfect sense that explaining why the angels vs demons juxtaposition is disinteresting while also speculating on its origin is beyond the comprehension of someone who does not share that perspective. Anything above red vs blue is too complicated for you, and the hows and whys of anything in existence are irrelevant to you. Your mind and your tribe will never develop a concept for the future, my african companion. And that's okay. For me.
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>>739115495You say this because you lost the cultural war, tranny faggot
>>739115593Faaaaag
>>739115343I don't really mind the decision to branch off to more ethereal designs but they really went too hard trying to have lore and over-explain everything. Yeah some kind of alien non-grotesque demon presence isn't terrible but the dumps about the Maykrs who are robot-aliens who hijacked reality from God who is Satan who is you is so fucking stupid
>>739114981There was man and woman face to face in the scene. The man had barabaric style armor with visible body parts while woman had similar armor but completely covered lol. That was funny moment. Man can be naked, wombman cant.
christfags be like>fighting an all powerful divine entity in my fictional game about humanity surviving on their own against overwhelming power? that's totally gay dude
>>739106598I didn't think it possible but it somehow has a worse story than Sharternal. It's gameplay still has Simon Says faggotry but at least they toned it down in this one. Essentially the most mediocre of the three nuDooms.
>>739115429Allah and El/Yahweh are basically the same thing so you're leaning too much into le God evil thing again
only 1 game has ever actually managed to make me literally fall out of my chair. >perfectly mo-capped Icon of Sin runs out from the smoke and throws a punch right into my fucking face>i was so high i got scared its gonna hit my dumbass face and i fell off the chair screaming AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH HOLY SHIT
>>739115739Woke trannies be like>I cut off my dick, now i'm a women
>>739115942excellent rebuttal young man, we're all very proud
>>739114981>>739114350You must be blind but whatever kids.
>>739115998I'd like to point out that this game has two different white characters that are being voiced by blacks.
>>739116151i think that's only bad the other way around
it is a little funny that nobody ever brings up that doomguy is voiced by a black man
>>739106548It would probably be my favorite of the three if they balanced the guns better. You literally never need anything but the (super) shotgun and chainshot.
>>739116461the impaler is objectively the best weapon in the game with headshots but it's funny that they nerfed the SSG significantly and it's still the most comfortable weapon in the game to use
>>739116396idc about a black guy voicing a white character, I care about the hypocrisy of the fact that they'd never do it the other way round.
>>739116396because he just grunts and says one word, it would be noticeable if he spoke fluent sentences the black accent is generally very obvious
>>739116567those are grunts of him having sex with your blonde aryan wife anon
>>739116567what is a black accent
>>739106548>Oh yeah, that happened
>>739106548Denuvo killed it
>>739116631the accent black people tend to have, particularly in American and British varieties of Englishas a result you can often hear that a voice actor is black
>>739116680if you download uzdoom from zdoom does it come with this launcher
>>739116680good morning sar
>>739106598Shit story.Less atmosphere.Combat and movement are nerfed.
>>739106548doom the dork age. lol
>>739114835This isn't true, good vs evil was invented in one specific region of the world and didnt exist anywhere else up until 300 AD when Christcucks spread it99% of humanity isnt G v E centered, its centered around nature worship.
>>739116774yes
>>739115998How is this woke ?
Did they optimise the game so it doesn't run like ass?>inb4 get a better PCNo. If Eternal runs just fine I expect this to run too. It's not like it looks much better
>>739116629>>739116567Weirdos I noticed that these people who cry about woke are always brown cucks
>>739116896NoOptimization through updates is a scam It has never happened and never will
>>739116759You mean black Americans from the hood ? Because regular blacks sound the same as whites just like Asians who also grow up In America anyone from poor areas always sound different and dumb same as in uk for whites you won’t tell the difference in Rich or poor areas unless they are fresh immigrants
>>739113748That sounds like a reference to that one fanfic with "Joson", kek>trapped and unable to kill
>>739116982Man, they really should hire better programmers then.
>>739117057funny considering they directly, no-room-for-interpretation reference that in dark ages>doomguy dies breaking out from the cosmic realm>goes to the underworld, not-quite-hell>is trapped >is a zombie
>>739116832Whatever specific ideology one subsection of one species spread after hundreds of millions of years of evolution has nothing to do with the origins of binary dualities. What you're saying is the equivalent of saying that the Boeing 747 is evidence to support the development of air travel, as a refutation of the physics concepts behind airfoil lift.
>>739118174no not true most religions besides abrahamic ones and zoroastrianism had nothing resembling evil in them as a conceptjust didn't need thempeople in Christian countries assume they do, but they dont
>>739116896>>739117109you should see the doom dark ages gdc talk, they keep pushing weird meme tech that they swear it's innovating but then you look at the game and it's about the same graphics from 10 years ago
>>739118257I told you. Get your damn religion out of this. The topic isn't some ideological definition of good and evil. It's the origin of the idea of malicious negative actions and altruistic positive actions. A sub stone age child was capable of abusing his little brother and their parents could communicate to their children lessons about those activities. They knew what a thing is, and could deduce what its opposite is based on their life experience. A spectrum has two directions, and it's easy to form such concepts into stories with simplistic setups of two mutually exclusive, drastically different sides.
>>739118609>It's the origin of the idea of malicious negative actions and altruistic positive actions. The word 'malicious' itself here is your hole leading back to a religious meaning. If an enemy raided your village (or you raided their village) the word malicious was not one of the words people would in most of the world and its time use to describe this, in fact the way malicious is used in modern times stems from the religious notion of evil - not something of its own.Also "altruism" wasn't really what most people would consider good until Christianity.>A sub stone age child was capable of abusing his little brother and their parents could communicate to their children lessons about those activities.Also wrong, notions like this did not exist since time immemorial, such anti-social behavior is much more recent than it seems, your example would only fit in in the last 1000 years
>>739118826nta but holy autism
>>739118826I picked the example. You ignored the example and refuted an example of your own. You have demonstrated multiple times that you can't participate without veering off topic. Do it one more time, embarrass yourself, and end this exchange.
>>739119134No you're just wrong but also delusional Make one real, historically accurate example from ancient greece instead of hypothesizing fake caveman behaviorsIf you don't provide a real example, consider yourself wrong.
2016 > Eternal >>>>>>>>>> dogshit > Dark agesliterally the only game i've ever refunded on steam
>>739119263Name 10 things wrong with it
>>739106598Yeah it's pretty good
>>739106598dunno. waiting for the gog version. i refuse to play pozzed denuvo garbage.
>>739106639>brownShe wasn't.
>>739114967Its a conan the barbarian type of thing going on with doom guy, no gods no masters the only thing I have faith in is myself and my swordBut I agree there shouldve been more "evil" outer planar creatures that want to fuck around with humanityMaybe cthulhu shit and aliens like the Qu from all tomorrows and the battle takes place all across the galaxy as DOOD guy single handedly slaughters anything that threatens humanity
>>739107058Sentinels were absolute gay but Cthulhu stuff and Doom guy jacking ghost ship to resurrect from the dead was way better than any story shit that happened in 2016 and Eternal.
>>739106639>non pasty white woman she must be brown like me I’m so white buddy sarrrKys jeet
>>739107231I know Mick didn't want to come back but what was stopping them from bringing back Andrew Hushult? He did great work for the eternal DLC, the new guy they got for dark ages fucking sucked
>>739106639>this is brown according to race realist on 4chan btwHoly larp you can’t even get your racism corrected lmao
>>739107515Read the Bible dumb dumb
>>739106598It was not as bad as /v/ led me to believe, but still inferior to Eternal.
>>739106548>DOOM 2016 comes out>/v/ hates it because its not "real doom">DOOM Eternal comes out>/v/ hates it because its not "real doom" and says 2016 was the only good one>DOOM the Dark ages comes out>/v/ hates it because its not "real doom" and says 2016 and Eternal were the only good ones
>>739123181I remember the eternal threads when it came out calling it a bing bing wahoo shooter because the enemies where a brighter color than 2016
>>7391097802016 and eternal are good. Worth a playthrough for sure.It’s not really a woke game. The angels are aliens that are basically demons or deformed into demons by hell energy or something. Hayden isn’t evil, he is the one who created the doomguy. The whole plot was that they were some alien race who used hell energy to power their society or some shit but they needed to feed souls to hell for the energy I think. Hayden wanted to give earth hell energy to power civilization but released hell because there were some crazy zealots working for him that supported hell.Haven’t touched dark ages because it looks gay.
>>739123181>getting this buttblasted over /v/'s opinionthis /v/ guy is a menace
>>739123181>2016 and EternalNah, just Eternal. That was a game that actually understood its mechanics.
>>739108456>didn't finish doom 2 levels with fists and chainsaw only runngmi
>>739106548>>739106598It was good on the hardest difficulty at 150% speed. Better than Eternal, in fact. Anyone who says otherwise is just a retard.I didn't pay for the game by the way so I don't have buyer's remorse or anything like that.
>>739108140I'm also a 35+ boomer who grew up with boomer shooters, and I hated Eternal. Eternal is not only a terrible Doom game, it's one of the worst FPS I have ever played. I think Doom 2016 was fun.Doom: TDA is still shit, but a lot better than Eternal. If you haven't tried it, it might be worth pirating.
>>739125109>who grew up withBut do you play them anymoreYou can grow up with anything but if you haven't engaged with it in decade(s) that still makes you a tourist
>>739106548
>>739106548Can't believe how dull it is
>>739106598>>739106548Woke girlboss Debra Wilson slop with somehow even more preddit tier writing
>>739127481i think you got your slops mixed up lil chuddy
>>739106598It's alright. Doom 2016 is Coke.Doom Eternal is Cherry Coke.Doom Dark Ages is Lime Coke.
>>739128402The point of food analogies is that they're supposed to be universal and instantly recognisable
>>739106598Eh, I appreciate they tried something different but the game has no balance, the controls are not as tight and the story went from terribad to horrifically shit. Looking back, 2016's fucked up development forcing a minimal story really worked in its favor
>>739119185No. I'm right, you're wrong. You are fixated on an extremely late period of the species' development in order to manufacture a reality where you would not be wrong. You have convinced yourself that ontological evil has to be some plot devised by an authority, a meme to be instilled into a population to control them. A family is a population. You can't see past society and into life itself. Empathy is not programming. Animals, humans included, can feel bad for others, and thus can recognize evil. You have been indoctrinated into modernity, and attribute everything that could be a good lesson to an authority. You are a peasant. A slave. A cuck. Die, in the gears of the machine you wish to lubricate.
>>739128402>all three are goyslopYeah sounds right
>>739106548The story is terrible but I can kinda get what they wanted to do the story. Considering the theme, I have a feeling they wanted to make it about the traditional story of the Knight (Slayer) rescuing Princess (Thera) with magical powers to save the kingdom for the King (Novik).But for the absolutely retarded DEI reason they made the princess into a female commander, which makes the plot absolutely confusing because this random ass literally who female commander suddenly gets revealed to have a secret magic powers in middle of the story for some random ass reason.For a game that's about having a minimal narrative, a simple fairytale (with the hell theme twist) could've absolutely worked and it would've been kino. Yes it's cliched, damsel in distress story but it's fucking Doom, there's absolutely zero reason to spin it off and turn it into an unfocused mess.
>>739108029im not sure because it looks cool to me and really its no different in tone or spectacle than something like spider mastermind so it seems you just dont like the general setting and themes of doom and if the original came out today you would say the same of its enemies.
>>739109780the simple answer is in this lore and story Doomguy is Jesus christ himself and there is no one creator god who is good and the 'angels' are just squid aliens pretending to be pious and by extension the demons are aliens too so it is subversive but also sidesteps the religious aspect by making them all aliens.
>>739106598It's bad. It's not a trainwreck but it's very, very safe when it comes to what it throws at the player, carefully designed to make fights look big and intimidating without actually threatening a player awake at the wheel. This isn't an exaggeration in the slightest when I say about 90% of enemies literally don't matter beyond being a potential health/armor/ammo piñata; there is a class of enemies called "fodder" that isn't even checked by the game during arena fights; there's usually 2-5 higher class enemies you need to kill and once you do everyone else simply despawns.The game funnels you health when you're below about 75HP, and a hidden mechanic makes it impossible to die to an attack if you have more than 5HP when it hits. When you get brought down to 5HP you simply need to melee a nearby fodder enemy to get health and ammo (and armor if you use the flail). You never have to stop and reevaluate your tactics, and the devs said during interviews that this was the explicit goal of the game. They knew what they were doing and had experts designing the game, but what they chose to make gets very boring when you see where the wires are. It's made for games journalists, 4/10
>>739112873in the story doomguy himself is the 'hope for the universe' thats literally what its all about to contextualize the player being so powerful. Like I agree with you and see where youre coming from but youre missing that aspect of it. He is so strong he literally ressurects himself from the dead by killing the afterlife guardian beings. So literally the story is telling you he is this lore's Jesus. They cant beat him he conquered death etc.
>>739131085appreciate you for summarizing my thoughts about him too
>>739132051the princess is one of the demons turnedd into a altar at the last level of Doom 16' where you have to stab them with a key to progress
>>739131085>no exampleAlso I'm literally saying the opposite(You) assuming Evil is needed at all is slave morality. You're just an agnostic Christian at that pointI'm claiming the absence of evil as a real category that was made up by a single religion as a way to spread brain parasitesThank you for conceding
>>739132051Thira being a commander herself makes sense. Royalty in that world are warriors themselves, and their whole way of life is built around combat. Why wouldn't the princess also have a role in combat as her father does?
>>739106598Fun gameplayKinda wacky storyFeels better than doom eternal imo
>>739134705My point is that retarded lore shit like that is pulling the leg of making a simple story for a gameplay focused game.Don't "acktually" me about Sentinels being like Spartan or some shit, I know that, but it's not even a good or original lore, nobody fucking gives a shit.Who wouldn't want to see a Medieval themed dark fantasy doom, that's nothing more than what it is?Are you really saying you enjoyed TDA's unfocused mess of a story? Even if the lore made sense, it's not worth it if the story cutscenes made you feel like "who the fuck wrote this shit?"
Should have just been a new quakeThe new weapons that arent just a retread of the 2016/eternal weapons are great. Love the grenade launcher and the chain shot
>>739135425I don't care if it's there or not, I just don't see the point in complaining about a female warrior given the inspiration.
>gimmick shit>muh gameplay loopGet that crap out of my fucking DOOM already.
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>>739136081>lets add the shit with the cutscenes in combat every 5 seconds . no one will noticekill yourself
>>739135931I'm more complaining about the terrible story than the cunt, they can have female warriors all they want if it didn't butcher the story.She can absolutely exist, but not as the magical mcguffin. I would've made the same exact complaint if she was replaced with a some random ass male warrior (that just happened to be the son of the king).
>>739137948Holy fucking ADHD. There's a way around that, by the way. Shoot the cunts instead.
>>7391360812016 was already gimmick shit with its glory kills, brutal doom sucks ass yet they stole from it
>>739137948>>739138129>optional melee attack that last barely two secondsNot exactly gameplay defining stuff compared to the shit they threw into the following games.
>>739106548You're on twitter, dummies: https://x.com/DAKKADAKKA1/status/2056341829029638295
>>739107515>>739109847>>739123005Joan of Arc's trial revolved on whether she was consorting with demons, which as a mentally-ill illiterate French peasant she would have had no way of debating theology with the clerics running it. It counted against her that she was describing angels speaking to her through the images of saints: doctrine at that time was that angels never appeared in visions as distinctly comprehensible or taking any form, but demons could deceive.
>>739138319Quick swapping and chainsaw ammo is also a gimmick too. That's on top of doom guy running like molasses, and the game having 0 level design with the constant spawning enemy arenas, instead of having a proper enemy placements.Doom 2016 feels more like Halo with gimmick mechanics than Doom, don't fucking put them together.
>>739106598not as fun as doom 2016 or eternal, but still decent if you get it off a sale. and nowdays i think they let you disable the slowmotion during parrying.
>>739106598Yes i love it and the dlc is honestly what I'm most excited for this year besides gta
>>739142323I wish you couldn't destroy fodder so easily with any shield usage at all. The skullcrusher guns would be more useful if you had to actually deal with crowds on your own instead of pressing a single button.
>>739114967>implying humanity isn't also a supernatural force
>>739142483agreed, and later on once you get the shield parry skills that fill your screen with projectiles, and the aoe blast when you charge wtih your shield the fodder might as well not exist.that in itself isnt bad but the heavies/superheavies arent that interesting to fight on their own either.i thnk it has a similar issue to doom 2016 where the game doesnt really put up a fight until the very last level or 2, after you figured the game out.
>>739142590I like the shoulder cannon a lot, but it's obviously the weakest of the bunch when they're all autoaim AOE attacks that apply effects to any enemies not killed immediately.>that in itself isnt bad but the heavies/superheavies arent that interesting to fight on their own either.Yeah. They're all pretty much designed just to be fought 1v1, and all of them aside from the Vagary force you to just get in his face and alternate between RMB and LMB. Some variety and actual thought put into how the player spaces himself would be nice. The Marauder had this, and that's what made him engaging.>i thnk it has a similar issue to doom 2016 where the game doesnt really put up a fight until the very last level or 2, after you figured the game out.I don't think the game gets into full stride until the two Azrakh fights. The former being a test of your ability to parry while the latter is the only time you really have to dodge a ton of projectiles.
>>739116680I fucking knew this was going to happen the microsecond they started bitching about the real GZDoom guy, it's always trannies seizing power every single fucking time
>>739122959I didn't play the fucking garbage I just saw one video of her bitching and ordering men around where the outside lighting looks different than that, not going to be surprised if you are lying though because you're obviously a troon
>>739142483the issue is that they're trying to move as far away from nudoom's weapon swapping as they can while retaining all these momentum-based systems like infinite ammo and health regen from fighting. a lot of what made nudoom so successful as an aggressive game was that you could just swap to whatever weapon suited the situation instantly and keep attacking... so they gave the shield a fuckload of fodder clear so that it wouldn't be a big issue if you ran something less adept at it.I don't even think this was a BAD idea per se, I think it would've been more annoying than fun to swap to the skullcrusher every few seconds to deal with fodder with how slow the swap speed was when the game released. I think that "we should discourage swapping because people are sick of it while also having a million guns" was an awkward decision for a fast based game about killing everything as fast as possible.
>>739142790i recently replayed 2016 and i thought i would dislike it since eternal's my most played nudoom, but all it took was unlocking the double jump and i was having fun instantly. i think the whole "stand and fight" philosophy was just a bad call from the get go in a franchise known for grandfathering the movement shooter genreanother aspect that majorly goes against TDA is the level design like its clear the AI is better at navigating these semi vertical blocky map spaces where the enemies can vault up and down and chase you around.
>>739144386"I can't play 2016 after eternal" is kind of a meme imo, yeah some arenas are easier/simpler but nightmare is balanced in a more punishing way and I still find it pretty thrilling. they're a package deal IMO, fun in ways that complement each other
>>739144543i was getting rinsed by some fights in 2016 altho i was playing without BFG, i think the game really over emphasizes BFG usage or i am genuinely just dogshit even though i did clear TAG1 on UNM, i remember dying like 10 times on the fight where you enter on a rail car, and then in a random fight against like 50 imps + soldiers, i'd rather fight 4 possessed marauders at the same time than do that room on UNM
>>739144740eternal is a little more about playing the cooldowns and systems to your advantage because you can get so much armor and so much health back so fast if you know what you're doing, you can faceroll a lotnightmare in 2016 you have no such ways of getting armor and health back extremely quickly, nightmare in particular health and armor pickups give you much less than usual and an imp kills you in like two hits so it's about not getting hit at all
>western developers make a decent game>release the sequel and prove that the previous game was only decent by luck
>>739144889yeah i probably played way too aggressively in retrospect. i also immediately noticed glory killing isnt free like its in D:E, you regularly get fucked because you're animation locked and don't have iframes like in D:E nor a dash.also speaking of dash, the first few maps where you dont even have double jump and you get chased down by imps that prefer melee, and hell knights felt like utter shit. combat shotgun is pathetic in 2016, only marginally better than the pistol which is more just an optional hardmode than a real gun.
>>739145567you have to play those early maps very differently but they're an acquired taste imo, one meatshot will gib an imp, you can stagger them with a midrange shot so you can run in, quick-melee once you're in to set up an easy meatshot, once you get the grenade launcher and the rifles in level 2 though the combat shotgun pretty much becomes a grenade launcher for the rest of the game. it stays good as one though, very respectable direct hit damage
>>739145567You absolutely have invul during glory kills in 2016
>>739116396It's like giving Gordon Freeman a voice and getting mad that some Filipino voiced him. Doomguy is supposed to be a silent protagonist that the character projects himself onto, not because of some gay culture warrior reason. If a white or Asian guy voiced him, I'd still be pissed.
