>the 2 minute meta sucks>it limits job design>it limits raid design>we're completely scrapping it and removing all raidbuffs>every single job is getting a full redesign focusing on job identity, reactivity and funI can still hardly believe they're actually doing this. I really thought they'd just play with buff timings a bit and leave us with the same shitty combat for another 3 years.
reminder that everyone loved kaiten being removed, especially SAM mains
This might actually make me want to check the game out again. I tried getting into raiding but this 2 minute meta enforcing rigid rotations to sync partybuffs, especially because the Savage encounters were designed to be beatable abusing this, killed it for me.
>>>/vg/
>>739109342nobody said this, retard
>>739109251>All of the posters reading this and thinking "now is my time to start raiding because I just couldn't stand the fixed rotations of the past but now my true skill will shine">These posters will still fail to abc
>>739109352SAME, it's going to be so exciting to have a 123 macro and no cooldowns. I can't believe they totally evolved MMORPG combat like this. I'm buying Final Fantasy XIV: EverCold and so are all my friends. No one wants to miss this.
>>739109251Ironically, WoW switch to the two minute meta.
>>739109251>every single job is getting a full redesign focusing on job identity, reactivity and fun>bard is just 6.0 summoner
>>739109530>>739109352People are still going to find the optimal way to play. So the Balance Discord isn't going to just go away.
>>739109581It actually has a reason to adjust song order based on the fight though unlike summoner which could do the same egis in the same order in 99% of situations.And Bard has that cool direction jump skill.
My friends started playing their free trials again because of shadowbringers being free. I've been trying to level an alt. Having much more fun in ARR than dawntrail. I forgot just how much of a grind hunts were for grand company gear. Trying to switch from maelstrom to flames before the crystal braves shit is going to be tough.
>>739109530As if following an obviously button bloated rotation (what else would it be if it could be compressed to 1-2-3 macros and not lose anything) rigidly to make sure you use the buffs the same time as the other 7 in the raid was the peak of excitement.>>739109671It doesn't need to go away. It's just an opportunity for something different to emerge because the current balance philosophy is extremely stale.
>>739109530this but unironically
No naysayer can ever convince me that this isn't cool as shit.
>>739109251>>it limits fight designThis is the one I disagree with. They've made plenty of fights that don't care for your burst window, and there's zero reason for them to give boss downtime at a moment convenient to the player.This problem in particular exists because they made it exist. If they wanted fights to not have lulls where players use their big damage buttons, just don't do that? What's stopping them from having big things happen while burst is going off?
>>739109895please hate it PLEASE
i hated 99% of ffxiv (i dropped the game back in stormblood or whatever it was called, the samurai expansion)but i loved playing black mage and also astrologian
>>739109895Interestingly it's also the first aoe spell where you cast the spell first and then you aim the hit (yes I understand it's been in pvp for a while).Through PLD:s shield lob we also know they have the ability to make context based attacks.What I mean by this is that some of the future classes might have some fresh spells. Maybe MCH will do drill when close range and auto-crossbow at range using the same button? Or maybe BLM will be rooted to a spot while they aim where to place a meteor cast? They might have some saucy spells in there.
>>739110068shit you make a good point desuI'm cancelling my preorder
>>739110104I'm hoping for some range-based attacks on MCH. Scattergun that does more damage at close range, Sniper Rifle that does more damage at far range. Those would have to be separate buttons though, making them contextual would defeat the point.
>>739110196A fun basic thing would be that at melee range, MCH uses drill on the enemy. A drilled enemy gets a debuff on them. Then, at range, the button turns into the sniper rifle. If you shoot the drilled enemt with the sniping rifle, the debuff makes it so the sniping rifle shot is a guaranteed direct critical hit. That way MCH has to swap up from what range they use their attacks.
>>739109251>game is over 50% of companies revenue>everything else underperforming>the game you have leeched all the funding from is struggling itself, if it dies you die>suddenly ceo on stage promising funding as it finally gets shake ups.You shouldn't be surprised, Square has just been doing that badly. It used to happen with Blizzard and WoW before they locked down Overwatch gooners.
>>739110470That makes sense but I've been so used to SE only making bad decisions for 10+ years that it's still hard to believe.
>>739109581there's probably gonna be multiple like that as placeholders, they tend to like half-assing new additions and then gradually getting them to where they should've been in the first place two expansions down the line.
>>739110526from what people who speak japanese are saying Yoshis tone and cadence completely changed when he spoke to the CEO to a more commanding and in control tone you use when speaking to an underling going "you have given your word and your honor rides on it" that Koji wasn't translating. The vibe over there is Yoshida was spread across too many projects trying to advise and course correct to stop the CEO running the company into the ground and now he's more of a figurehead as Yoshida is making more business decisions to right the ship.
You can make the jobs über fun, it doesn’t matter if your dungeons are all still boring hallways with 3 packs and a boss and if your open world is still empty and useless
>>739110759I have suddenly figured out that the overworld feels like empty shit since heavensward because in ARR you could tracel to all zones from the very beginning and the only thing blocking the path was enemy level.
>>739110759They made a big deal about giving the overworld more content as well, though exactly how much remains to be seen.
>>739110869Flying removed the need for good open world level design
some people probably won't like it but i'm the kind of person who enjoys playing viper so it's good for me
>>739110993>but i'm the kind of person who enjoys playing viperjesus christ...
>>739110958I miss when flying was locked to specific mounts in heavensward and behind unlock quests in heavensward for ARR zones.
>>739111010Viper is cool.
>>739109251>mfw im a RDM main and as the alliance raid retard insurance they never really fuck with us.We will see the melee combo become one button along with the single target and aoe versions of jolt, aero and fire and nothing else will change
>>739110759I'd like overworld and dungeon changes too but if the jobs are fun and unique then it will make roulettes enjoyable again. I gave up after levelling a few jobs to 100 in Dawntrail because all the jobs felt so samey.
Okay cool, now can they start making actual high end FIGHTS instead of shitty synchronized swimming script puzzles?
>>739111152i did them all this month and i never want to see worgor zamor or vanguard every again.
>>739110993Viper has so few buttons already and Evolved mode seems to be combining AOE and single-target rotations. I have to wonder if Viper will actually get more complex in Evolved mode since they'll have so much hotbar space to utilize.
>>739111219Yoshi said Picto and Viper are their evolved modes and were the public test for the system.
As someone who kinda stopped playing after the initial dawntrail content, What's happening?What's evolved modes?
>>739109251>job identity>except there is zero utility so what we’re getting is the same exact jobs but without the raid buffsI cannot fathom how retarded you guys are
>2 minute meta removed>everything still is balanced around the 2min DPS CD alignments, except party buffs are now removed
>>739111413>source:my ass
>>739111413>t. didn't watch the dev panel
>>739111413MMO Cattle are known for barely having a functioning brain, that's why they play MMOs and not real games.
>>739111394>guy who made all the electrope is part of an organisation working for an ascian named Halmarut>this organisation called the Winterers know that without hydaelyn and zodiark the shards will naturally rejoin like a wound healing but will reset the world to how it was millions of years ago before man existed>each is running a doomsday scenario to ensure only their people survive>The thing we got from Sphene at the end of 7.0 is Ethos, the Key of Azem that allows instant travel anywhere even if that point is another shards version of that location>We are going to the fourth, which is FF7 but norse ragnarok themed>You max ilvl is now reflected to other jobs>Dailies are gone and everything is a weekly with a catch up if you missed last weeks>Reborn mode combat as it is now or Evolved mode which is closer to PVP>2 minute meta removed, buffs now largely exclusive to buff jobs like BRD,DNC and RDM>New tank and Ranged Phys>New tank and PLD are main tank jobs, others are off tanks>Job action skins to unlock new animations for job abilities to customise it>More character and armor customisation>We are unironically so back.
>>739109251Just stop playing.Find a new mmo
>>739111394https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uiNEwa7oT4tl;dr>all raidbuffs are getting removed>every job is getting a toggle between "reborn mode" (existing design) and "evolved mode" (new design)>new design has fewer buttons but more focus on job identity>123 combos are on one button>contextual actions e.g. clemency and holy spirit share the same action which morphs when you target an ally or an enemy>it's all designed by the guy who did the PvP reworks>dragoon is the best example, it has left right and rear positionals>also has the PvP jump
>>739111571Cattle goy are too addicted and brainwashed to move on, which honestly is a good thing, don't want subhumans playing my games.
>>739111564I love this sopping wet cat failgirl so much i hate it i never wanted to be a simp.
>Secured enough Commendation Crystals after this season to get the full feastie set when it comes out next patchHell yeee
>>739111529I literally did watch the dev panel you fucking retard.>whm is unchanged, they literally just add another lily mechanic while changing the existing one to be tied to plenary>brd is the same, the only difference is each song is dps equal so you can switch between them to provide the “buff” you wantIf you’re seriously trying to pretend that bard had “buffs” other than the mov speed one then fuck off. Barriers and regens are healing skills not buffs.
>>739111413>>739111805barriers and regens are utility and a good bard will adjust their rotation to provide that utility to the party
>WAR demoted to PLD's inept comic relief sidekick
>>739109251reminder, the ones crying the most currently are the ones that always held back the game: raidtranniesthe same people that cried in hw, that their jobs wasn't competitive, that led to the 2mn buff metanever listen to hardcore trannies
>>739111862>Latest patch has PLD use defensive move against Enuo>But its not enough so the off tank DRK powers them upYou realise PLD is being make the cuck tank right? You sit still and point the pinata away while the off tanks do everything else you used to do.
>>739111564>>739111623That doesn't sound too bad. Might check it out again.Thanks
>secondaries seething qnd demanding the game make changes for their late assesNo.
>listening to raidfags>game's dyingyes, you lost, the game isn't for you, suck it>make changes>people crying>don't make changes>same people cryingnever going to be pleased, anyway
>>739111845You are a fucking retard. There is no hope for this game as long as you fucking faggots existWhen has dps having healing utility ever mattered in this game? When have healers ever used anything other than their fucking ogcds to heal.This game could have a myriad of different buff/debuff types to add some decision making to its horrendous muscle memory encounter design and isntead you retarded apes choose to have the same exact design except now you don’t have to line up those miniscule “buffs” that added up to nothing unless stacked.You’re a goddamned fucking moron, bards new “buffs” are about as impactful as the 1% crit they originally gave.
ok but where will the utility actions go if theyre stripping each job to 16-17 buttons
>>739112149>When has dps having healing utility ever mattered in this game? When have healers ever used anything other than their fucking ogcds to heal.Perhaps in the new Evolved design where the one healer we've seen has lost nearly all of its oGCDs?
>>739112207They become context buttons.>PLD targets boss, button is now taunt>PLD targets off tank, button is now shirk
>>739111868How is the new “evolved” job design in anyway similar to hw.Pic related. Tell me how the job designer is going to fix astrologian to be better than hw astrologian with evolved mode. After seeing whm and brd I am fully expecting the same exact shit without divination.
>>739112223there still won't be enough healing to do to warrant losing dps for a shitty regen song lol
>>739112253I doubt healers will actually get much better since the JP audience likes them being shit, but my copes are>tamaki designed HW AST in the first place>focus on uniqueness and identity could mean that sure WHM gets even dumber but SCH might embrace complexity and AST might embrace RNG and card buffs
>>739109530At this point I don't even care if the new system sucks. I'm so sick of the current system.
I miss Heavensward being the era of DPS jobs having utility that actually mattered besides a 2min group-buff.Much as I hated how dropping your rotation for one gcd would completely fuck you on BLM.
>>739112325It's not a dps loss to play your songs in B A C order instead of A B C order.
>>739112253The guy in charge of the Evolved reworks is the one that originally designed HW AST
>>739112253and why would anyone do that, you can't even read properly anyway, all you're doing is project your assumptionswho told who X is going to be similar to Yall I'm saying is that raidtrannies crying in hw, because of competitiveness, led to the 2mn buff meta and ruined job identity
>>739112390>Yfw aspects come back and all the shitters fuck off our job and go back to white mage kiddie pool slop.
>>739109251>jobs are all exactly the same we want to give them back identity>make them even more dumbed down with evolved mode
>>739111862>Some gay ass pirate >Sworn knight of honorI think warrior shouldn't even be a tank, make it a DPS, and one with lower to mid DPS.
>>739112223It didn’t you fucking ass faggot. Tetra is still there.You’re just such a fucking larping clown that you don’t even realize that whm was the one healer with fewest OGCD heals, the only ones they removed so far as far as the keynote said where asylum and assize, the latter being the most important one and the only thing this is promoting is mp management mattering even less (not that it mattered any longer) or that they will be baked into a different action like aquaveil and divine benison were.Moreover even if they did removed every single ogcd heal, all you would get is playing a healer that will have to use a gcd for the predictable aoe damage instead of an ogcd instead of having to actually fucking pay attention and react to healing.If they were actually gonna change any of this shit I would see dots being back, clerics stance, heavy mechanics, utility that actually makes a difference. Instead its just the same skill pruning as before but without the 2m meta in mind
>Main Tank: Warrior turn off tank stance...>Off Tank: b..but>Main Tank: quit trolling and know your place>Off Tank: I have 2000 hours on war..>*Has been removed from duty*
>>739112609>The boss is spawning adds i'll pick them u->Now now Paladin, back to your cuck chair, this is a Dark Knights job, its not for you anymore. >O-okay... but i'm still the chad right?>....sure you are little buddy. The giggaist.>PLD does lalafell sit and rock animation as the rest of the raid does the mechanics.
>>739110759IMO, the dungeons can stay fairly basic and boring if there is enough "gameplay" to be had through the jobs alone. If playing a WAR is rewarding your skill enough as a player then the the content you are doing as a WAR doesn't really matter, you could essentially just make a game out of self improvement on jobs alone and the same can be said if the jobs actually play off of each other well enough since that would change the moment to moment gameplay enough to smooth over the overall boring dungeon experience to begin with.I don't think the devs would aim for something like this though since the way high-end encounters are designed currently forces players to engage with their mechanics regardless of player skill in a way that makes unique job gimmicks, strengths and weaknesses impossible to balance. You can't have BLM literally be a turret mage unless you design encounters around that fact (which the devs haven't done since HW) and you can't have a PLD that focuses on playing support either.Creating content for XIV but in reality any game with multiple systems at play, forces this tug of war between player interaction and encounter interaction that breaks the moment you start to favor one over the other too heavily. You can't give players a job that requires you to play the flute, spin in a circle and rub their belly at the same time if whatever content they are playing forces them to spin plates, balance on a ball and burp the alphabet backwards at the same time.At the same time if you are forced to do one but not the other then whatever you are forced to do NEEDS to have the complexity of both at once, which is an impossibility since you can't (for example) have CC actions if no enemy in the game can be CC'd, that would just be pointless and do nothing to improve on the game.This is essentially where the game has been for the last 8 years or so though with the 2-min meta, to the point where the devs have designed themselves into a corner.
>>739112760>PLD does lalafell sit and rock animation as the rest of the raid does the mechanics.
Are they going to fix Occult Crescent? Cause its absolute ass. I'm going through Eureka on a new character and it's crazy how much more fun that is compared to OC.
>>739112969No, South Horn is staying as is and North Horn probably won't be much better. They did say they'll make the raid not require discord and a youtube guide next time though.
Can BLU do Ultimates yet? Even if it's some special version of the fight (eg. UWU's LB3 requirement) with a different reward (actually probably preferred).
>>739113029Wow. That's just fuckin great.
>WHM losing the stun on Holyabsolute fucking cinema
>>739113084You can't fix whatever Ozma has touched. It always turn to the same shitty dance encounter that requires a 30 steps raidplan, only to wipe because someone at the other side of your screen didn't pay attention.
>>739109578outplayed wowtroons yet again
>>739110470that slimy niggerceo has been on stages before. only now did he promise more funding, meaning: the good devs in SE are being reallocated to evercold. bloody bastard bich
>>739111264He never said that. He said they tested the combined buttons with these two jobs, they are not evolved modes. I genuinely dont get people like you. Do you even listen to what you are watching? Is someone feeding you these retarded takes? Are you just stupid? Which is it?
>>739113469Yes he did. Your ignorance does not shape reality. You sound like an american.
>>739113031lmao no, and if BST is any indication then limited jobs are going to be stuck in some sort of time travel limbo where they are all designed to work as if there exists a 2-min meta even with it being gone and them never having access to it in the first place. BLU is going to need a massive rework in order to actually justify the way its "limited" just like BST will need the same thing.The "Limited Job" moniker was supposed to be a way to give whatever devs were working on it free reign to do whatever the fuck they wanted with it within the context of the game, but it has just ended up being restrained from accessing content for no other reason than "some players might not like complexity so we are going to hamstring these jobs regardless".BLU and BST could literally just be normal jobs, the only thing holding them back is the "collection" aspect of their design since the devs don't want some retards fighting over why the BLU in the party brought Water Cannon instead of Fire Angon or that a BST brought a Dodo instead of a Cactuar into fucking duty finder of all places.
>>739111935is this the new offtank cope? kekarikoo :)
So who do you think will be narrating Evercold? G'raha? Thancred? Urianger? Caylx...? Sphene!?
What's up with faerie? Tried buying something from the marketboard but i couldn't travel there. Is it the new erp server or something?
>>739112760>l-let me handle the smallfry, PLD-senpai, i..i can be helpful, too!>sure you are, DRK-chan, very helpful. Now stand back and watch how i handle the boss and later both healers>*AST & SCH* PLD-sama~
>>739113031>>739113548I get they can't do ultimate but the fact you can't even take Blu into Eureka is weird.
>>739109251>the 2 minute meta sucks>it limits job design>it limits raid design>we're completely scrapping it and removing all raidbuffs>every single job is getting a full redesign focusing on job identity, reactivity and funIf this was so bad, why was it in the game for like 10 years?
>>739113514Kill yourself, retard.
>>739113626Vauthry
>>739112407>projecting assumptionsActually I am basing myself off the white mage keynote as it gives you an idea what the other healers will look like.>>739112390This is just pure cope. The guy has been working on this game the entire time. Just because he had a really good idea that got ruined as the game evolved and he had to account for it doesn’t mean the game will suddenly change in that favor.If he gave bard some actual decision making buffs then I might actually believe ast and sch will become “buffer” healers and dnc and brd would “support dps”This isn’t even that hard to accomplish now that they can bring back the cooldown buff since no 2m bullshit and support classes can be designed around buff maintenance. The game has several different posiblle buff/debuff types that can be attributed to decision making based on the classes in the party:CooldownAttackDefenseAttack speedCritDhit
>>739112149>When have healers ever used anything other than their fucking ogcds to heal.Coil. It was fun too. I miss having fun.
>>739113626Halmarut
>>739113701Because the devs were lazy and autists like the ones you find in "The balance" cried crocodile tears the moment the devs tried to do ANYTHING that didn't allow them to fluff their stupid leaderboard minigame.The fact that the guy who made ACT saying that he will quit making it (and maybe quit playing the game completely) over the removal of the 2-min meta should tell you everything you need to know about why the devs have refused to move on for so fucking long.
>>739113701Have you seen how much people cried over Kaiten? Literally the first post.>>739109342STILL crying.
>>739112407I don’t actually think its raidtrannies, if anything this design caters to them because they have less to think about.The evolved design is very minimalistic and even less about decision making than it was before it so really its just catering to raid trannies even harder. The games design is essentially like a pvp game but for pve, where everything has to be rigid and perfectly balanced instead of fun.I wouldn’t expect a dpsfag to understand either since they’ve never played a class with complexity in an mmo before and I doubt they’ve ever played anything complex in an arpg before.
>>739110041>If they wanted fights to not have lulls where players use their big damage buttonsYou've got that backwards. Virtually every Savage fight is are designed to drop big mechanics on you at the same time all of your oGCDs come back online (120 seconds, hence the term 2 minute meta, hence the powerpoint slide they made ACKNOWLEDGING the issue). Making the player redo their opener while solving a big mechanic is ShB/EW/DT's single trick to make their fights "difficult". The problem with this is it's samey and predictable as fuck. Every fight has the exact same rhythm. Every fight felt like something you've played 10 fucking years ago.>opener>tankbuster, raidwide aoe, everyone mindlessly presses 123 until...>the 60s ogcds become available and the boss pulls out a minor mechanic>nothing happens again>the 120s ogcds become available, boss is now casting a hello world>repeatIt's so shit.>What's stopping them from having big things happen while burst is going off?Then everybody agrees to delay their burst by X gcds and nothing changes.
>"Yoshida-san, after careful consideration the board has decided to increase FF14's development budget.">Hands Yoshi-P a 50 yen coin.
>>739113701Jobs still don’t have identity, infact based on what they showed they have even less identity now since they’ve pruned most of the utility instead of reworking it. People are quite literally just blindly trusting.
>>739113701Because the game started out with a lot of thematically appropriate abilities that while cool, were jank and unbalanced. Playerbase wants to clear harder content, they start only allowing in certain people who played certain jobs. Devs want to make every job viable so they start trimming pointless shit and slowly homogenizing. The two minute meta was Endwalker, when they realized that the entire game revolved around buffs and lining up cooldowns because it simply was the best way to play, so they designed jobs around facilitating it so everyone could play into it. Then they were debating how to get rid of it entirely, and so Dawntrail had Pictomancer and Viper as prototypes of revised job design to get out of the buff-centric design. It worked, Viper and especially Pictomancer are beloved, so they're going all in on recreating jobs according to this new design philosophy.
>>739109251Who cares? You niggers will still just use your 3rd party cheats anyway.Also, return to your containment /vg/ board or buy an ad.
>>739113848Not him, but you know that fag isn't going to quit. It is all performative because now players alone will be held accountable for their damage.
>>739114012The 2 minute meta was always in the game they just didn’t design around it until SHB, not endwalker.SHB was the beginning of the cancer in this game hence things like the utter destruction of Scholar and Astrologian as classes as well as the beginning of one button rotations for healers and basic 1-2-3 for tanks which could basically also be one button. That is also when they deleted aggro management from the game.
wouldnt it be cool if they gave carbuncle auto attacks again
>>739109530>having a 3 part combo on 3 different buttons is peak designPeople like you are why we still have positionals
The last time this game had soul was when I tanked Sirensong Sea with the chicken nugget Titan-Egi because a backup tank took forever to recruit
>>739114289It always was, yes, but Endwalker was when the game started specifically being built around it. A meta isn't designed, it's discovered, it was the players mathing out lining out everything under buffs. As everything was played around it, they started designing around it. And like always, designing around high-level play ruins your game.
>>739109251give me ideas for tank glamslet me stop you right there, gunbreaker, warrior and dark knight. Main tank glams only.
I'm tempted to get the XIV launcher to so I can use plugins, being able to see market board prices when hovering over an item would be useful
>>739114452Shb not endwalker.SHB was the worst expansion ever to me because of this, people try to pretend it was good because of the story but SHB was quite literally when the entirety of the jobs was reworked
>>739110759Deadmines is still the best MMO dungeon ever made and it's basically the exact same design.Dungeons can never be "fun" if they are designed to be farmed. YoshiP was completely right in stating that any dungeon with multiple branches or any other non-linear design just has the playerbase optimize a speedrun route for it and bully everyone who tries to do a different run.
>>739114435Positionals are good though.They should just make 1-2 melees (RPR + ?) without positionals to satisfy low skill players and then pick another with which to go all out with positionals on almost every move (probably MNK)Just like cast times, melee range, and boss mechanics, engaging gameplay comes from adjusting your otherwise static job rotation around the fight.
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>>739114598>Positionals are good though.They are a forced weakness on one specific job type that is already ignored in 80% of the boss fights, and literally cannot be executed for solo content. It's an outdated dogshit mechanic that limits melee dps design, nobody enjoy it, the faster it's gone the better.>They should just make 1-2 melees (RPR + ?) without positionalsThen everyone will just play those jobs.
>>739114720A ton of people enjoy positionals.Don't project your inadequacy and perfectionism on the rest of us.
>>739114720THISthey should get rid of MP and all cast times toofuck it, make every melee ability ranged while we're at it
if they remove mudra from nin i'll know they're full of shit
>>739114940Be optimistic on this since the designer in charge of evolved mode created original NIN with Mudras in the first place.
>>739114932seething raidfag spottedYou know what? I'll say it.They should remove Ultimates. Two is way too much for like 2% of people who can't even clear them without cheating.>I have itLMAO fucking trannies ruining the game can't even properly clear their high end content without using AM and other cheaters plugins.
>>739114891>A ton of people enjoy positionals.I have been playing the game since HW and I haven't met a SINGLE person who actively enjoys positionals.On the contrary I've talked to and seen hundreds of people stating that the reason why they don't play melee jobs is because they don't want to deal with positionals.Don't project your made-up lies that can be countered with common sense on the rest of us.
>>739114940The button prune will give us room for the fourth mudra. trvst
>>739115084what if i'm neutral on positionals?i feel that classes having a fail state makes them more engaging but i also feel like since they don't have any mechanical impact then whats the point
>>739113626Halmarut aka Odins daughter.
>>739115084Well hello, now you've met me. I've seen plenty of other anons in these threads who like them too.Go in any thread on reddit or the forums and you'll find more positional enjoyers. Especially in MNK discussions you'll see people mourning the loss of the old positional requirements, or saying that they still do the positionals out of habit even though they're not required.Positionals are basically the same thing as cast times - your movement is constrained for a short period of time and you do more damage if you obey the constraint. If you want your movement and positioning to not matter outside of dodging puddles on the ground, they made a whole role called phys ranged for exactly that.
maybe im a hater, but the evercold trailer did nothing for me. maybe dt just killed my love for the game. Anyone else or is it just me?
>>739115084I like them too maybe you should swap to white mage sis
>>739113626Krile, Calyx, an heretofore unmet character who will be the secondary protagonist of 8.0 revealed in .56. barring that, Estinien might make a good narrator
Positionals suck ass. Make it so that you don't get their effects if you don't properly do them (getting the buff or just straight up missing the combo) again and maybe I'll care to do them.
>>739115303I like the snowy bits because I have fond memories of crossing the bridge to ishgard and struggling through snowstorms in Coerthas West. I have high hopes for the snowy zone(s) we'll get in 8.0.The storytelling bits and seeing WoL as reaper didn't do anything for me.
>>739115468We should have a couple of melees with strict positionals like that, a couple with the current soft positionals and a couple with none.Just like with healers we should have WHM be super easy and straightforward but SCH be really complex with stances and dots and pet shit.And SMN vs BLM in casters.
>>739111092Inb4 Evolved takes away Verraise
>>739115652>job redesign with a focus on identity takes away one of the most popular parts of a job's identity
>>739111794>anyone seen wearing this set that isn't on the list of people who have it legit from Feast is going to be inted, focused and farmed until they stop queuingSee you soon, Feastlets
>>739115652Then Alliance raid completion rates for the first few weeks plummet which causes a domino effect to chase gigacasuls away entirely. Mmo autists are a twitchy nervous breed you must patiently coax down from the tree. RDM is part of the support ecosystem to keep them in the game akin to hunting horn players in monster hunter.
>>739115714SE has operated this game on an extremely strict monkey paw policy for over a decade. You can't just expect people to forget that and start believing his lies again based on a single fanfest.
>>739112390Why do you think that astrologian will be anything like it was before just because of this when reborn mode will still exist to make it “familiar”.I am definitely gonna post “i told you so” when astrologians card buffs end up being 6% damage up, barrier and regen, evolved hard is already heavily alluding to this, if any job should have been reworked to have a variety of buffs it should have been bard.
>>739109530keybind/combat design in FF14 has been fucking terrible and what they are doing is objectively an improvement.
need an archer job without a gay harp or a crossbow
>>739115714>implying that is a bad thingStop being bad.
>>739109690Why abandon your pirate brothers for a jewi- i mean lala run country?
>>739112149Lmao what the fuck are you yapping about? Amazing that someone who clear a-raids from the floor is trying to analyze the combat system. How did you get past the captcha?
>>739116132stupid alanaposter
Will cross data center include bozja, eureka, occult?
>>739115801The cabal has no power over me anymore, I paid my dues and I'll be dripped the fuck out in Evercold. I'm never queueing up ranked again until they start bringing mounts back
>>739113701For better or worse, it was easier to plan boss fights around, the only problem is that great boss fights rarely come from a dev team who are having to cut corners like that
Your opinions on Gaia??
>>739116765a sex object and nothing morefor both myself and for Ryne
>>739116645I think it should be studied how people blindly trust square enix as a developer. Do you think its some sort of stockholme syndrome variant. Whats more interesting is how desperate you are to defend it to the point where you don’t say a single coherent thing with this post when the guy you replied to not only watched the keynote but also is well aware of the games history as far as job and encounter design go.If astrologian and scholar do end up being great and different then sure everyone wins, but as it stands so far theres clearly no major changes being made aside from the removal of buffs and astrologian is quite literally a buff centered class or supposed to be. Tanks aren’t even getting stance dancing back we can fucking tell from the keynote, or anything even remotely resembling aggro management. They remove the two minute meta, great, and yet the game remains exactly the same except now everyone doesn’t have to pay attention to what the other guy is doing and can focus on their own thing. Great? Not like it was any different with the 2minute meta
>>739116765While Normura's obsession with having zero colour in the outfits he designs is pretty stupid, it's true enough that Gaia stands out from the rest of the cast. And while her story isn't anything revolutionary, it works within the context of the raid storyline
>>739116765nomura never got over the one that got away.>>739116890there are white women less dramatic than you bro
I hate the current button bloat, playing something like DRG and just spamming buttons doesn't feel satisfying or good and nearly all melee jobs are like this
>>739116890Bro are you having a melty or something? Tf are you talking about trust they literally showed us how the job works. We saw the function of every button.I noticed you didn't deny the fact that the hardest content you do are a-raids. It shows though, because if you were competent and if you did hard content you'd know that a party mit and a fucking 60 cd expedience is huge utility
>>739116765>we still haven't gotten Gaia's hairstyleWhat are the devs waiting for? Why do they hate money?
I've been playing this slop for 5 years now and there's not a single human interaction in this game outside of raid statics. Really make you think.
>>739116719Why wouldn't it?
>>739117080Its something that makes effectively no difference to the overall performance of the raid. It can at best be described as “convenient”. There is a reason why its not an impactful buff and its incredibly obvious, they don’t want to make it seem like a job is more needed than another.
>>739112609>tank stance
>>739117296How about you try not using reprisal on the Fixer in the current raid tier. Come back and tell me how it went.
This game only exists to goon
>>739117463What makes you think other jobs don’t have mit?More over its not damage down its a barrier like adloquim but without the shield.So again how does any of the bullshit you say disprove my point? Or how is it about decision making when other jobs provide the same utility or even any different to the dogshit 2m meta design since you’re still looking at the fight in a spreadsheet to know exactly when to use it? Its easy for yoshida to say its for you to decide what buff your party currently needs when none of the buffs are actually necessary or any different to what other jobs already provide.Bard used to provide resource management and magical damage up. Naturally they cannot have it provide that anymore because every resource in this game has been pruned except job “gauges”. Now we can actually have a job about buff maintenance or buffs that can work outside of the 2m meta like cooldown buffs or attack speed buffs and they still didn’t give bard anything like that. I wonder why?
>>739115084i like them a loti hope they give main tanks positionals from the front too
>>739117670True. I literally only sub to use porn mods
>>739110869Overworls feels like empty shit because it is empty shit. Each enemy is located exactly 33.76m away from the 3 exact same enemies, you don't interact with the world because there's nothing to interact with and even whatever might be needed for quests is spawned in for that quest alone as sparkles, if that, and not as a instanced scenario.
>>739117816Who cares secondary.
>>739117772-without the heal
i'll be happy as long as we're going back to a design as fun and free-form as stormblood samurai for evercold samuraii miss it dearly
>>739109342Liar.
>>739117772So you admit that jobs need mitigation utility to be able to clear content, and ergo you admit to the fact that BRD having mit utility is in fact not useless, which is opposite to your earlier statement.I will once again ask you to tell us if you have cleared a raid tier. Because it seems like you are in fact larping as a raider.
>>739109251>Evercold*Silver Wanderer
>>739109251>I can still hardly believe they're actually doing this.I don't. Believe, that is. I can't remember the last time they did anything where they didn't completely half-ass it
>>739117292Because the game is silly, filled to the brim with silly code antics. Like how high frame rate all but removes physics or ping further erodes player performance with additional lag hooked into GCDs and oGCDs via system code.Both of which are solved by mods but not the developers. XIV is a silly place, much like Camelot.
>>739117670Can you get caught if you're using mods like these?
>>739118314mmos can only fuck about so long before they have to pull a please come back expansion.
>>739118391No
Is there some sort of systematic thing to favor ARR content in roulettes? If I do max level dungeons I get arr level 50 dungeons like 4 times out of 5. If I queue alliance raids I get crystal tower stuff 4 times out of 5. I don't know if I'm just unlucky but the roulettes just seem to prefer ARR content to a massive degree.
>>739117887No kaiten no buy, simple as.
>>739115084>I have been playing the game since HW and I haven't met a SINGLE person who actively enjoys positionals.I quit playing monk, and melee in general, because they removed positionals. The majority of melee players I know liked positionals.>I've talked to and seen hundreds of people stating that the reason why they don't play melee jobs is because they don't want to deal with positionals.So instead of asking people who do play jobs with positionals if they like it you base your argument around people who don't? I think they should remove cast time from all spells. I don't play magic jobs because cast time sucks.
>>739118385I remember reading an interesting analysis on how high ping literally causes a lower region-wide DPS because you simply can't press as many skills and it clips.
I don't like how they're making gear even more irrelevant. I may be D2/PoE brained but improving my character by collecting better items is one of my favorite things about RPGs.
>>739118189Me admitting to that has nothing to do with the point I am trying to make. Your problem is that you only see encounter design and decision making in the form of everyone having access to the same utility. I do not. I would expect bards to have an actual variety of buffs and a reason to bring them over a dnc be it party synergy or something else related to the encounter.I am not larping as anything either nor is that an argument to anything when we are discussing a design that is being changed and by your account the justification for the new design is to keep the overall encounter design the same without having to worry about people having to coordinate or work together.
>>739109251Remember they reinvent all jobs all the time but make zero changes to existing 10+ years of content in the game made with what the jobs were in mind.For example, ARR/HW era job quests for scholar and astrologian still have dialogue tutorialising gameplay systems that don't even exist in any form anymore.
>>739118460Every tier of content in an game is going to be weighted a certain way just by player metrics. Like how every monster hunter G expansion sold less than the original so when searching for randoms you get quicker results in pre expansion content because the pool of players are larger in general and then after enough time passes that weights to people in the endgame because games rarely send you from 1 directly to the other you need to go through the years of pre expansion updates the original core game had to boot.
>>739113626Lyse again.
>>739118681For levelling roulettes, maybe. But max level dungeons and alliance raid roulettes everyone is higher level we're all just doing roulettes. These level 50 dungeons nobody in the party is actually 50s. The roulette just likes to stick to ARR over and over and over and over and over again.
>>739118460Crystal tower is required for msq and everybody has it unlocked.
>>739115303The trailer was really slow and boring, and then two dipshits we've seen over and over again appeared to do some floaty animations and I turned it off. Not watched it all the way through and probably won't bother until the full version is released.I was ready to hate until the actual news sounded good.
>pot of coffee>listen to someone jawing on on youtube>fshThat's the fucking shit
>>739118765It prioritises things that need padding and ARR was back when not everything was part of the MSQ so you could actually go through the game without unlocking some instanced content at all. Which means over time that potential pool would naturally get smaller so they push those more for the people who still want to try them.Like the other day i got a sprout doing Pharos Sirius HM and i hadn't got that dungeon in like 8 years, if one person searches everyone is funnelled to them first because its not like syrcus tower or doma castle need the same help.
>>739118934I do this with BTNI need to get around to fishing
>>739118934>drinking coffeeYou didn't fish the fish
>>739118984Big Fishing is the true "can this even be considered gaming" experience
>>739118764STORM OF COLDBORN OF COLDOF ALL OUR FALLEN TEMPERATURES
>>739115303Nah I was feeling the same way too. I still chat with some friends I've made in FFXIV, but I was out of the game after 7.1 (I only even had DT because one of those friends bought it for me) and I was acting like a pessimistic hater throughout their entire keynote until they started discussing job changes and directly addressing a lot of complaints I was making back when I was falling out of love for the game in ShB. The game has fallen a very long way, and for so long too, I think it's valid to be the fence still.Maybe I'm just a too much of an optimist, but I'm hopeful for EC, it's the most excited I've felt towards the game in a very, very long time. I just hope its a sign of actual ambition to freshen things up on a more significant level, and not just half-measures and false bravado from the dev team.
>>739109578>>739113337Speaking of WoW, you can now get spam-banned for swearing.
>>739118584>Me admitting to that has nothing to do with the point I am trying to makeBrother has never cleared DSR, TOP or FRU on content but is trying to educate the rest of us about class design.Yeah ok thanks for outing yourself. No point in wasting time on you lmao
>>739119270>balance tranny shifts goal posts to an impossible position in a vain attempt to disregard an argument they're losingEvery time lol. Looking forward to what percentile you get on your life expectancy speedrun, faggot.
>>739119234I mean, FFXIV does this too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU_avRzUofU&t=372s
>>739119270>posts irrelevant things to “debate” withI literally said that losing the 2m meta means they can make some actual changes to both the encounter and job design but they clearly aren’t
I only use distance 22 and fov 81 with the zoomhack, but I feel like it's "fixed vanilla" that way
Mr PRIME knows job soul. Hes gonna bring back Kaiten and BIG SLASHES. Its gonna be so BIG and strong.
>>739119234Holy fuck, that @BlizzardCS response reads like a parody.
>Say "Press 1 three times is easier, too easy in fact">People chime in "This guy is saying pressing 1-2-3 was hard!"Retards. Just because something is already easy doesnt mean you scrap it to make it even easier. Removing failstates is terrible.
>>739118460>I don't know if I'm just unlucky but the roulettes just seem to prefer ARR content to a massive degree.there has been also a massive number of sprouts that has started the game thanks to Shadwobringers being on the free trial, so it could be that or the fact that ARR have something like 50+ dungeons between regular and hard mode.
>>739118470definitely, yes.
beating up this poor girl 6v1 to the tune of the dawntrail theme didn't feel good.
>>739110759They did say they were making changes to the open world and that it felt empty and not worth visiting. More info in 2 months.
>>739112149Yeah maybe in normal mode. BRD is gonna be a top pick now in savage.
PrimeFixed our game and just in timeTake ice, find your scarf and wear it tightIt's time for the winter of our lives
>>739119965such is the fate of all useless eaters
>>739117887Ironically samurai is the only fun job left in the game right now. What the fuck happened to this fucking game?
>dropped the game since 6.5>EC news got my attention>don't wanna free login rn because i'll be playing with d*wntrail job designvgh
They could have chosen better names than reborn and evolved desu
>>739113302Says who? They didnt even show Holy being used. But the hotkey seems to not show a mana cost.
any FFXI shill here? how do the new F2P works?
>>739120146parse tranniesremember yoshida said a long time ago they removed AST's cards because they noticed people wiping over and over and over at the beginning of fights in their database and they saw it was people wiping until they got a balance
>>739115652Spam Verraise is cringe. It should just be a 1 minute CD instant cast raise. That alone still makes it unique since Yoshida said they were absolutely removing it from SMN next.
>>739120127>>739119965oh nvm, fuck that bitch
>>739118460CT is the only alliance raid required by MSQ
>>739118391yes and nothe only real way you can get caught iirc is if you go full retard and post it on twitter with your in game name and people being naked in your screenshots, especially if it's an official underage character or somethingive seen some screenshots of those people getting very awkward conversation in GM jail from posting khloe lewds lol
>>739120242To my knowledge its>Level 75 cap>Base game no expansions>No more time limitUnsure about chat restrictions like with XIV
>>739120242you can play up to level 75 with no time limit. you can only do vanilla contents so that's>3 nations storylines>WAR MNK WHM BLM RDM THF PLD DRK BST BRD RNG SMN
>>739120443>>739120470what if I subbed in the past? do i need to make a new account?
>>739120443>no expansionsthat include no Zilart? what would even be the progression there
>>739120443Might give it another try again. Last time I did I started I walked out of a town, beat up lizards for 4 hours then got lost somewhere and kinda just gave up. I'm too brain damaged for real MMOs.
>>739120243if SE had a competent director they would've designed their fights to be more hostile to parsing instead
>>739120470I really don't even know why they expanded the trial but still made it the base game only. The nation quests are basically nothing. Its like if ARR took a quarter of the time.
>>739120534XI is barely a real mmo anymore. You basically play with overpowered AI party members until max level then you actually play with other humans.
>>739120639Its weird now that you mention it. Parsing is against the ToS but they still bent the game backward to accommodate it.
>>739120243>can create a skill to choose a card outside combat or just make Balance the first one>can ignore them, who the fuck cares about parsesAnd the solution they came up with was to dumb everything down? Things aren't looking good, evlovedsissies.
>>739120691Sounds familiar. Y’know like ffxiv
>>739120691You really need a party of friends together if you want an mmo experience these days. My first playthrough was back in hw with a couple of guys in my static. None of us knew what we were doing and basically had wiki and old forum posts guiding us the whole way.Played that shit every single day as a group for 3 whole months. Good time.
>>739120892Nah the AI you can bring to dungeons in XIV are worse than the worst player you've ever seen in a game. I dunno why people would ever use them unless they had crippling social anxiety but then why play a MMO.
>>739120892having a trust party everywhere would be cool in xiv, specially one you can choose their members
>>739120878It's against ToS because they can't, as a company, allow something that could possibly interfere with the integrity of the game, especially in a world where consolefags can't have mods. They don't actually care.
>>739120892ffxiv trusts are weaker than normal players. in 11 they're stronger until middle levels of gear, and certainly while leveling which is what they're for
>YoshiP mentioned DLSS5 for XIVIt's over
>>739119234that's been a thing for at least about 10 years, I'm surprised people are only catching on nowpretty much their entire cs, especially the report-ban side of things is automatedfor example it forced me to name-change my gobbledygook tag only because enough asshurt wankers report spammed "offensive name"
>>739120991Why? You can just not use it, right?
>>739120943I can automate running the dungeon with the AI companions, doesn't work as well with humans.
>>739120991isn't xiv more cpu-bound anyway?
>>739120892It's not really the same at all. >t. played XI after the San d'Oria raid got put into XIVTrusts in XIV are pieces of shit that perform poorly and dynamically change their DPS so that you don't complete dungeons faster than 25 minutes, and what they are doesn't even matter.Trust in XI on the other hand, there's like 100-150 different NPCs in the game you can summon that all have different AI that they use, different things they they will do, different skills that they will do, and some even have unique interactions with each other, and you roam the world with these parties as a substitute for real people, because the game isn't populated enough to facilitate that anymore. The Trusts are incredibly powerful and for a good deal of your leveling experience, they are more powerful than the player to the point that you don't even need to keep your gear up to date. I used level 30 gear until like level 50 or something, then I used my AF gear until 80 or so, and then you get some 99 gear at 99 for doing something, then I grinded my Ambuscade gear with my OP as fuck Trusts.
>>739120984I think the latest XI update lets you level up trust skills as well. I don't know how much stronger they're becoming though.
>>739120991>stalling out graphics improvements for long enough that AI can now do it for himI kneel
Will they ever fix the issue where you only get three buttons when doing low level leveling roulettes? Why not scale down the damage instead?
>>739121314so, is basically a solo game now?
>>739121509because a level 100 moveset has significantly more ogcds and such and will completely destroy the lower level version of itself
>>739121509i think they said with evolved you will get all your buttons by level 50
>>739121509You will have your entire kit by level 50 with the Evolved mode. >>739121529Yeah. It's so much a solo game, that even the people who actually play the game multibox themselves and use bots and plugins and mods and programs to trigger certain skills on certain button presses and whatever so that they are their own full party and they sell runs to people who aren't multiboxing.
>>739121509
>>739121573i guess you will get all the basic skill and the upgrades trough questing
>>739121573>>739121591>>739121606Thank fuckAbout time they did that
how many crystas for a 30 day sub? exactly
you guys are the worst shills, had to ask grok about it
>>739109251>FFXIV Evercolddead on arrival, nobody wants to deal with trannies
>>739115468It was the case in 2.0 and (surprise surprise) people cried about it until the devs caved in
>>739121314The difference is Trusts in XIV exist for socially retarded people afraid of human interaction. They are a next best thing to people. Trusts in XI are because the game was in a major decline at one point and servers lacked the players to do anything and so they exist as a reliable replacement to people. They arent meant to be the same thing in XIV.
>>7391216951300
>>739121669You get the basic form of everything, but you only get the upgrades via quests or level progressionThere will probably be a TON of new passives in 8.0 to gradually gate potency/functionality
>>739121741>had to ask grokchild left behind.
>they NEED to change the jobs>NOOOOOO NOT LIKE THATwhat possesses people to give a single shit about the current system
>>739121813>>had to ask groktried to ask people here and /ffg/, got no repliesthis is why most guild chats are dead, why ask guildmembers when you can google/grok it?
>>739121764Yes, I understand. I'm just trying to explain to the anon how vastly different they are. XIV Trusts are like barely anything, whereas XI Trusts are basically cheat codes, and even after you surpass your Trusts power level at endgame, you then start using all the buffing Trusts to giga buff yourself getting even more OP.
>tfw i got nogged
Trusts are so fucking gay when compared to command squadron..
>FFXIV thread>Cuck fantasiesYou guys need real jobs instead of FF jobs, christ.
>>739121835They are shitposters who don't play the game. For some reason, XIV has some very dedicate schizos who don't play the game and just shit on it all day every day.
XI would be fucking incredible if it was actually anything like the cutscenes, shame the actual gameplay is such a snore
>>739121994ff11 trusts are stronger than them evenand you can get a very powerful set of them relatively early iirc. even shantotto 2
>>739122019XI would be fucking incredibly if it just played more like XIM as a default. No matter how much you mod your game, it will never play as good as XIM does.
>already 45+ min waiting as a tank on alliance roulettewtf
>>739122067>he doesn't know
>>739122067unironically try dps queueAR is the one thing with long tank queues because you're only 3/24 players
>>739122045The trust unlock quest gives you than Elvaan Tank that AOEs everythingWhich demolishes enemies for a good while
>>739118627>yes let's waste even more time to pointlessly remake 10 year old shit instead of the current content because raping dungeons for trust was clearly a good decision. Shut the fuck up retard
gonna re-start next yearheres hoping less buttons means more actiony and engaging combat
>>739109530Cant fathom how people defend having to press 25+ buttons, defending 123 being separate buttons even
>>739122204
>>739122130my knowledge is pretty limited, but you get 1 trust to start with, and then one for joining the equivalent of 14's novice network, and then 1 from each nation when you're doing mission 2-3. and they'll all exceptionally good iirc
>>739119234>and it's citizensits* citizensFucking retards can't even write their own fucking language
>>739109251Ironically the reborn mode seems like itll be the thing limiting everything
>>739122371It's getting all raidbuffs removed too, and it will probably do less damage than evolved mode, so hopefully it won't limit much.
>>739122263?
>>739121314That is basically the same. Power level doesn’t fucking matter when content in FFXIV is brain dead easy to begin with
>>739122276The Records of Eminence Trust unlock quest gives you>Valaineral (The tank I mentioned)>Mihli Aliapoh>Tenzen>Adelheid>JoachimPlus a trust depending on which citystate you started in. Later you can get the other city state specific ones
>>739122371hardly, loss of buffs alone means jobs don't need to be performant at specific times in their rotation, meaning bosses don't need to sit their asses still every two minutes
>>739122493must be a fucking retard. lol
>>739109251>every job they showed is still builder spender that bursts every 60 seconds>DEY BROKE DA TOO MINUT META!!1!
>>739122685me when i lie
>>739122532>play game>all the content is braindead easy all the way until the end because of overtuned trusts>play other game>all the content is braindead easy because the trusts play it for youIf the difference is that in the former the trusts are overtuned then the overall design of rush to endgame doesn’t changeFfxi hasn’t been good since the introduction of ilvl, but the 49 cap on sub job hurt it a lot as well, turning job defining actions like accession, convert and haste to be accessible to anyone. The thing that hurt it the most was definitely the level 30 entry requirement into abyssea. That utterly ruined leveling parties completely
>>739122493>That is basically the sameYou have never played XI and it's obvious.
>>739122708No not really you fucking delusional moron cultist
>>739122493I think XI is worse, in that playing with trusts doesn't teach you how to play your job. You can pretty much just attack and use your weapon skill at 1000 TP and get through everything while leveling
>>739122856
>cultistLooks like the shitposter who doesn't play the game is here.
>>739122941He really fell back on his buzzword programming quick, huh
>>739122783I played it for over 12 years, since its release on the PS2 with roz up until abyssea release.Nobody was affected by the abyssea changes and trusts more than me. If your argument is that I haven’t played current homogenized FFXI enough you’d be right but I know the skeleton of that game far more than you ever will. Anybody with half a brain cell who actually played XI can tell how powercrept jobs are in that game and how overpowered trusts are. Theres a reason why I stick to private servers nowadays and they all suck too but at least I can do an exp party in them
>>739122973I don't think he even actually tries. He comes in, makes a couple posts where he pretends that he has played the game, but then as soon as anyone replies to him he folds immediately and starts shitting himself.
>>739109251>removing all raidbuffsI actually hope this is a little overstated. Right now it's too formulaic for sure, but even FFXI had DD jobs that had a party buff or two. Warrior might be the subtank but it can still Warcry the party every so often. Then when you have classes like Samurai with absolutely zero party buffs it ironically gives them more class identity. They're the DD class that is entirely fuck YOU, give ME power.
>>739123008>>>"That is basically the same"I guess you don't understand anything as well as you think you do.
>>739123060Only job with buffs shown so far is Bard, which still has some kind of buff set up but none of the buff effects it could give were damage-up/crit-up
>>739123038Not him but I don’t think “me when I lie” is a very compelling counter argument. Really I see you both as shitposters but at least I can agree with your boogeyman that “build up and spend your gauge” is really all evolved mode still amounts to.
>>739123038maybe he needs some automated help with his shitposting. a trust if you will
>>739123109The same “rush to endgame design with automated bots” yes, it is quite the same concept. You’re just hung up on xi trusts being overtuned for some fucking reason.
>>739123165His opinion goes out the fucking window entirely claiming EVERYTING ON ONE MINUTE BUUUUURST U FUKKIN CULTIIIIIIST when we have video footage to the contrary
>>739123060I expect we'll have single-target buffs from AST and DNC but no more party-wide damage ups. Even if they keep just one or two (e.g. trick attack or similar on NIN) then people will start holding damage for that window and discriminating against jobs that don't feed the buff well, and then complaining about the situation until everything gets homogenised again.
>>739123165>Not him but I don’t think “me when I lie” is a very compelling counter argument.Not my post. >Really I see you both as shitposters You have attributed a post that was not mine to me. >but at least I can agree with your boogeyman And now I'm forced to believe that you're samefagging. >>739123175kek, and it looks like he might be multiboxing
>>739118460>queued for 2 roulettes after this post, trial and alliance>crystal tower and titanThis is starting to reach comical levels.
>>739123120>buff setupYes totally for sure its definetely providing buffs>hp barrier>hp regen>movement speedRiveting. It will make all the difference in raiding where we have two healers and two tanks. I am sure that movement speed buff will differentiate me from dancer, my only identity aside from repelling shot directional movement.Can’t wait to see what astro buffs will be like.
how would they evolve red mage mmm i wonder
>>739123240>You’re just hung up on xi trusts being overtuned for some fucking reason.I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you forcibly inserted yourself into a conversation you were not originally part of and that you do not understand. Someone said something like "...so like XIV?" when someone described XI's Trusts. They are so vastly different that no, XI's Trusta re not "like XIV" Trusts.
>>739123354Trying to knock a party movement speed buff as useless is an interesting decision when Scholar's Expedient is an insanely valuable ability and we don't know if it'll retain that ability, nevermind already arguing from the point of view that it's not different from what Dancer will get
>>739123345well crystal tower is MSQ mandatory so its gonna be the majority of AR pullsTitan hard is unique in that the MSQ requires you to clear it twice, so its gonna be overrepresented in trial roulette as well
They need to make it so that Alliance Raid roulette requires ALL past and current Alliance Raids completed up to current patch to access, similar to how Mentor Roulette requires all dungeons/trials (Normal+EX), raids etc. completed up to current patch to accessNo more lazy fags shitting up that roulette by only unlocking CT raids.
>>739123262I saw said “video evidence” i am not sure how its the contrary. We have the exact same design without the synergy buffs and a couple of consolidated skills to remove more decision making. Is pld having a “””counter””” really a huge fucking change that changes everything about how its played? Especially when what it rewards you with is tankbuster mit?
>>739123418that femroe better have nudesalso i don't blame her (lol) for not knowing who louisoix is since the game doesn't, like... directly show him at all outside of the opening video and binding coils
>>739121956This fight is genuinely awful on any ping higher than 50>were you within 15 feet of the lollipop guild at any time? Get glomped, NOGGER
>>739112760When has anyone been excited to pick up adds over having the boss
>>739123354Meanwhile current bard>damage up>damage up>damage up>damage up every 110s (hold it to sync)>damage up every 120sRiveting.
>>739123418>>739123490>early homestuck joke in their feeda harrowing window into when i was 14this one's gonna make it i think
>>739123306Yeah I guess we would fall into raidfaggotry again. Seems like the combat system foundationally is on shaky ground if they can't make party buffs work without designated niche buff jobs. I just hope something replaces working with other players. Skillchains are probably out of the question with XIV's combat system, but I would like to see them take another crack at 1.0's interesting in concept but shit in execution battle regiment system. Less timing buffs and more coordinating moves with other players.
>>739120470>can't play ninja, dragoon, samurai, or summoner on free trialwtf
>>739123457The fact that these jobs don't operate on one-minute timers is contrary to a guy sharting about cultists claiming they do>hublhulrhblurhlub it's still builder spender hublrhlbuhrlubulrhlbr paladin's counter isn't a big deal hurbhlurbhlruhblrAll of this is so far removed from the point it's over in Russia
>>739109352>This might actually make me want to check the game out again.Not me. I played that game for so many hours it started to feel like psychological torture doing the same shit again and again. Then they went full tranny. Nothing would make me come back.
>>739123446I don't even understand Roulette warriors. There are people who leave Alli Raids if it's anything other than CT, and some of those people even leave if it's WoD. Why even play the game at that point if all you want to do is take a 15 minute waltz through content that you face roll before any mechanics happen while not even being able to press all of your buttons?
>>739123408No I am the person you were originally arguing with. You are simply regirgitating a point that is irrelevant. If you proceed through the games content by simply relying on trusts then one being slower than the other just because of power scaling doesn’t make it any more different. I stated a point, you changed the subject to go against my point.>>739123431Not saying its useless but it doesn’t make a difference in the grand scheme of things, its only a convenience and not an objective need.If the buffs were:>movement speed>mp regen>damage upI would definitely feel like it was doing something different, especially if the damage up nerfed your own personal dps or you were forced to use the mp regen periodically to make sure the healers could keep the party alive leaving the movement speed purely for mechanic heavy phases.This buff design doesn’t encourage decision making at all though, he literally just wants you to choose your preferred rotation, he even said so on stream. Thats why the buffs don’t make any sort of meaningful difference
>>739118460Right now it's particularly bad because of the trifecta of Evercold hype bringing people back, Shadowbringers being available for f2p now, and two weeks free login period. The rest of this month is going to be like 70-80% ARR duties.
>>739123745>damage up>I would definitely feel like it was doing something different,ANON FIFTY DAMAGE UPS ARE ALREADY WHAT BARD DOES RIGHT NOW HOW IS THAT A BIG CHANGE
We'll be able to move the camera out more in Evercold, right? I don't want to have to be forced to buy an ultrawide monitor.
>>739123567More like>crit up 1%>dhit up 1%>damage up 2%>dhit 20% every 2 minutes>damage up 5% 2 minutesI don’t think its really that much different to just adding heals on top.
>>739123745>No I am the person you were originally arguing with. You are simply regirgitating a point that is irrelevant.>you changed the subject to go against my point.I think you're either too stupid or haven't actually played either one of these games. Either way you're definitely a shitposting troll and I'm not going to give you any more chances.
>>739111564Sounds overall pretty good except for:>You max ilvl is now reflected to other jobsSounds absolutely dreadful because it's the definitive end for those who were hoping to see the FFXIV team ever making itemization interesting and not a fucking retarded +1 point to stats every fucking time. It's fucking shameful that MMOs released 20 years ago have more item variety than we have now.>2 minute meta removed, buffs now largely exclusive to buff jobs like BRD,DNC and RDMI'm gonna wait and see what they'll do with it because ever since ARR they've been removing elements and tools from each job without ever giving anything interesting to make up for it. It's impressive to tell yourself that MNK for example had more tools and effects than now, you had an AoE Silence, a Dispel, Healing buff, Blunt damage debuff, move speed increase and a slow, now I'm pretty sure only the healing buff is left.Now, pretty much every DPS will have "I do damage and nothing else" be their whole identity while in ARR, being a selfish DPS was BLM's identity.Really feels like that after removing the RPG part of FFXVI, making it less of an RPG than fucking Devil May Cry 5 somehow, Yoshida really wants to gut the RPG part of MMORPG from FFXIV after things like the Trust system already severely wounded its MMO part.
>>739122229I've seen people call a game bad because it had 3 skills that did interesting things, instead of a hotbar full of copypasted skills with different icon and damage.MMO players are cattle.
>>739123647How do you know they don’t operate on one minute timers?I saw the whm “changes” they weren’t really changes at all more like adding the same mechanic on top of the existing one.As I remember, white mage adds a lily to their gauge every 20s they are in combat up to 3 and that mechanic is unchanged outside of being tied to plenary now. What does that add up to? Oh right 1 minute.
>>739109530Balancetrannies crying are a gift.
>>739123995By watching the footage of them, numpty, it doesn't take a full minute for Dragoon to go through two skillchains and reach its WHOASHITNIGGA Nidhogg skill combo and Sky High that's functionally its burst
>>739119270NTA. Cleared FRU on patch. Cleared DSR and TOP in EW, but not on patch.This is an embarrassing post from someone who is losing an argument. He's right. There is no utility in the new kits that would meaningfully deviate encounter design. The only real difference would be mechanic cadence: one every 30 instead of one every two minutes. There are no utility or resource changes in Evolved that would fundamentally alter how you engage with the content.Here is an example of what he's talking about:>BRD comes with debuffs (Poison, Slow, Silence)>DNC comes with buffs (Haste, Regen, Reflect)Which one do you bring to an encounter? This is a meaningful design decision. There is no meaningful choices in the Evolved job design. There's some flavor, yes, but there's nothing shown that's FUNDAMENTALLY different from 2 minute meta other then "The same jobs: But with less buttons." It's nice that they're trying literally anything, but we could aim a bit fucking higher then "holyyyyy DRG can not do a mechanic during an extreme bros!!!!"
>>739123854I think you’re so full of yourself you cannot even fucking admit when you are wrong so you have to call someone else a retard just to “argue” without actually saying anything.I suggest working on your fragile ego.
One great think about the evolved mode is that I won't have to use xivcombo anymore just to play my job comfortable without having to play like in a DDR with my keyboard.
>>739123992MMO players are predominantly brown. Their brains could only think in terms of more = betterer
>>739124113I accept your concession.
>>739109251I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. Just about every time they've made hype announcements it's been underwhelming and disappointing. They still don't seem to be paying any attention to situational utility skills to keep things unpredictable and interesting (and unique ones for each job to truly make them feel distinct and special). You're still going to have a very straightforward dps rotation and not have to think much while playing. You'll just have a bit more freedom while doing that, which is nice, but it's not that big. It'll be much gamepad friendly at least which is pretty nice and comfy.
>>739109342it might get added back. i'am more interested in how RDM will change considering it could be a possibility that we can actually simply melee to start our rotations the possibilities are endless. now the real question isWill we lose Verraise ? Honestly I wouldnt mind it because I want to do more damage.
>>739109251I haven’t played for a couple of years. What exactly are they doing?
>>739124092>but there's nothing shown that's FUNDAMENTALLY different from 2 minute metaThe lack of party buffs alone already implies a shift in preferred materia from Savage Aim to Quicktongue/Quickarm because there won't *be* party buffs to get multiplicatively buffed critical hits from.Do we even know what "two minute meta" is, here? We don't have party buffs going out at planned times and we don't have job bursts that are 100% on key with each other. So, what two minute meta? You're saying nothing's changed when the meta's spine got ripped out.I don't think we know what two minute meta is even supposed to be and it's being used as a buzzword.
>>739124186>Will we lose Verraise ?I think the answer is yes. I remember them talking some time "recently" about removing rez from RDM and SMN, and if that's still something they're thinking about, Evolved is the perfect time to do it. However, the only reason I play RDM is to save myself by being able to rez retards. So if RDM gets that taken away, I'm going to need to do some seroius soul searching because I've mained RDM since I started the game for reason.
>>739124309There was talk of removing rez from Summoner but not Red Mage, Red Mage was never under consideration that we the players knew about. They made a big deal out of Summoner keeping its rez for Dawntrail, at the same time they committed to Summoner getting basically nothing for Dawntrail, so they'd probably already committed to the concept behind Evolved at that time and giving us the other half of the planned Summoner rework (plus its rez removed) wasn't worth doing
>>739123829All of those are completely non-interactive damage ups that you press in the exact same order at the exact same timings every pull of every fight (except in ults where you might want to hold damage between phases). The new song buffs don't look hugely impactful but anything that encourages you to react to the fight and adjust your timings is an improvement over what we have now.
>>739124509Bard getting Expedience tied to one of its songs is pretty fucking big, just like Scholar getting Expedience it looks unimpressive but it's gonna be insanely handy to make the party start sprinting whenever that song goes out
>>739114594>Deadmines is still the best MMO dungeon ever madeI fucking hate Deadmines it's trash, even Wailing Caverns is better
>>739123792You must look exactly like the gif you posted considering you disregarded everything else I posted like how it would work between mp regen and mov speed.When you have to decide between which buff to apply its called decision making. When two buffs provide the same utility while also being redundant to what two other roles already do, then you aren’t really making any decisions.If the buffs were attack speed, crit and damage up that would still be more decision making assuming one job preferred crit over straight up damage or attack speed as an example.>>739124172>i don’t have an argument the post>>739124304If you think of back when AST had a cooldown buff and attack speed buff you’ll understand why the 2minute meta was hated. Attack speed meant losing tp faster, cooldown buffs would misalign your burst with the rest of the party. Without the two minute meta it means ast is free to have buffs like this now. However, the changes to bard imply that will not be the case, instead they are going for the “no buffs” approach so instead of making ast about buff maintenance and decision making like it used to, its very likely the cards will just be extra heals like they are now since thats basically what they did to bard. When you look at it you will notice the similarities:>current ast card buffs are a barrier, a regen and 6% damage up>evolved bard buffs are a barrier, a regen and movement speed up>one of scholars “buffs” was also a mov speed up
>EVOLVED JOBS WILL UNLOCK BRAND NEW FIGHT DESIGN>step into EC savage 1>slow casting raidwide>alternating left/right cleave>proteancan't wait
>>739124660they're like that specifically because of your 2min meta opener retard
>Game STILL has instanced zones WoW figured this out in 2004. A modern PS4/PS5 is more powerful than a PC from 2004 so it's 100% lazy japs
they should design mechanics that explicitly favor certain jobs over others (this is what gives things individuality in games) but then let you play any job you want without getting bogged down by gear (the universal ilvl is already a step in this direction) or even hotswap that shit outside of pulls
>>739124660Those are for openers anon. That kind of pigeon-holed design ethos for raids is something they specifically brought up at Fanfest
>>739124660They literally said "it's stupid that the boss stands still and does no/simple mechanics at opener and (most) 2 min windows, we're going to stop that".Whether they fulfil that promise remains to be seen.
>>739124769>WoW figured this out in 2004Yeah and then they forgot, and nowadays I got no idea, I haven't been keeping up.
>>739124660people then will say that it's only first tier and it's expected to be like this
>step into EC savage 2>arena has two floors, slopes and stairs>stepping into puddle on the ground transform you into some animalKINOOOOOOOOO
>>739124309maybe if they put a limiter or something because my ass is kinda tired of being regulated to Raise cuck because they kill the jobs damage over it.
>>739124726>>739124826>>739124923Are you fucking retarded? Do you think we didn't have raids before EW or something?
>>739124152Hey now, some of them are just normal people who come home after 8 hours of draining job and DON'T want to think too hard about button pressing while chilling out with their friends.It's only a part of the MMO community that thinks their fisher price gameplay is deep.
>>739124994>elevationthe game literally can't handle it without shitting itself
>>739125025You know when that kind of raid opener started getting really common anonStormblood and ShadowbringersI'll let you figure out why that is.
>>739125072ohhhhh no no no no no no this guy hasn't fought doomtrain or done the windurst raid
>>739124950DF, TWW, and Midnight have all had single zones. I can travel from the tip of SMC down to the bottom with zero loading screens in Midnight.
>>739125072It worked quite well in doomtrain, albeit with jump pads rather than slopes/steps.
>>739125025>it started in EWlol now i know you're an EW tourist
>>739124660It's gonna be >step into EC savage 1>boss casts a silenceable buff>boss casts a tankbuster>boss gets a 10 second damage resist to punish not holding your abilities>repeatstill something different but I wouldn't expect a huge change
>>739125003I don't mind. I think it's the most fun caster to play and I like the animations. I don't mind if the damage is lower. I have a higher clear rate on RDM than I do on phys ranged or other casters and I don't ever seen enrages unless that are tons of deaths. But in those cases, we probably would not have even gotten to enrage if I were playing something else.
>>739125138the areas of nothing in between the color palate changes are your loading screens. just like the long tunnels between zones in TWW
>play healer to get commends>no one is commending me
>>739124304This isn't how CDH works at all but I don't want to discuss stats in XIV because they all suck and are boring as shit and I don't believe they should exist. Materia is the least meaningful decision you make in the entire game. It was only ever relevant in specific fights and on GNB before they made the job boring.Functionally, all complaints about 2min are about rotational cadence. People do not like that jobs are boring as fuck outside of burst. This will not change in evolved: DRG still builds and spends burst. PLD still has swords. This is the rotational cadence that Square Enix likes and will continue to use.People seem to believe, irrationally, that Evolved will totally excise all 'burst' from the game entirely and you will be able to play freeform samurai. That is strictly not how MMOs work. This is a tab target game. You will always deal more damage pressing your buttons on cooldown then if you do not. Turning the game into WoW will not magically change this.I am optimistic about Evolved because I think half the game will be broken immediately and copers will mean they never fix it because people 'like the changes', so instead they're forced to make it a real game. I look forward to T1(PLD)/T2 DRG/T3 NIN.
Which way, red mage?
>>739111623So will Reborn and Evolved mode do the same damage then? Or will parsetroons explode if I dont use old mode?
>>739125231gotta be cutegotta be a lalagotta talk in the party
>>739125231sorry as a dps I started commending my fellow dps because I figured healers already get plenty of commends
>>739125289they said Evolved mode is slightly strongerOfc they are still working on it so idk if that will carry over to when it comes out
>step into EC savage 3>it's a jump puzzle that has you split the group into two light parties>each party fights different mobs and uses buttons/levers/pads to assist the other partyYOOOOOOOOOOO
>>739125289They said they'll try to balance them equally but if anything Evolved will be stronger.We will absolutely see some raidtroons seething that they are "forced" to play evolved mode and that they hate change. But most will just pick whatever does more damage.
>>739124660I don't think they're going to stop having the bosses "introduce" every mechanic or attack in a safe way before later using it in conjunction with other mechanics to make it unsafe. I expect flight design change in the sense that it may be paced slightly differently, but that's it. Not really too much change. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, for as much crap as people give the game and its systems, the savage raids have consistently had positive feedback.
>>7391252561 or 5
>>739125072No it handled it TOO well, which is why people were able to cheese Twintania by hiding in a dip in the ground, and that's why after that all enemy attacks have infinite vertical range
There doesn't seem to be any auto attacks with evolved so that means no more having to be so close to the boss just to optimize damage.
>>739125256I'll take the BLU artifact set with Dalamud Red, please.
>>739125456But do we really need introduction in every floor?
>>739125137>>739125156None of those are true z-axis checks you fucking retards, it's literally a binary "up" or "down" state that has been their jank workaround since Alexander.It's not the same as the game being able to handle the mechanics on variable elevation like slope or stairs.
>>739125383>EC savage whatever>boss splits into 8 solo fights with their own mechanics
>>739109251Evolved is going to be dogshit and the fact that so many of you are only going to realize this after the fact is astonishing to me.And no, that doesn't mean the current combat is good, only that evolved will be just as ass or worse.
>>739125231Make a portrait, do it now.
>>739125579Why do you think it will be bad?
>>739125567>you have to beat a clone of yourself with your new PvP-inspired rotationkino dare I say
>>739125231Make sure everyone is always topped off if you're playing for commends. Also, play AST and make sure everyone gets cards.
>>739125579you lost parsetroon
>>739125595true. a good portrait does a lot of heavy lifting for commends
>>739125631Because I've played this game long enough to know the devs are incapable of doing better. Also I have eyes and saw the panel, it looked awful.
did the other AFs ever get the texture treatment EW PLD did
>>739125579The DRG we saw is already more interesting than any Dawntrail melee dps.
>>739125239>This isn't how CDH works at allThat is how it works, each and every raid buff that raises critical chance or flat damage is multiplicative. "Raises by 10%" means 1.1x. This stacks with the higher power and frequency of crits and dhits from materia. This is WHY buffs do what they do and WHY it's the backbone of the meta.>>739125239>Functionally, all complaints about 2min are about rotational cadence. People do not like that jobs are boring as fuck outside of burst. This will not change in evolved: DRG still builds and spends burst. PLD still has swords. See this is true but you also can't ignore that the rotational cadence is determined by both raid design and by the existence of those buffs. All three of these things feed into eachother.>People seem to believe, irrationally, that Evolved will totally excise all 'burst' from the game entirelyNo they don't, burst is simply less of a consideration because of the lack of buffs and the differing times at which burst goes out for each job now. "Aligned burst" is dying, because we don't have any party buffs to align them with; burst in general is not. Even the freestyle Samurai you're thinking of is still pushing buttons at all times, contrary to what you say afterwards. Freestyle doesn't mean you're not doing anything!>I am optimistic about Evolved because I think half the game will be broken immediately and copers will mean they never fix it because people 'like the changes', so instead they're forced to make it a real game. I look forward to T1(PLD)/T2 DRG/T3 NIN.This is sort of a shitposty spin on why people in general are eager for the Evolved changes implying that pretty much half the game is being remade.
>>739125703Can you actually elaborate on what looked bad?
>>739125595This. Portraits get you the most commends
>>739125724Facts.
>All jobs play the same and offer zero customization or flex between two people playing itBoring
>start 7.4 MSQ>get to Treno>literal sex appearsPotatos weren't meant to be this erotic...7.4 got rid of Wuk and gave us Halmarut and Eyaney. Might be the best MSQ content we've had in years.
>>739125579uh oh balance meltie
>>739125631Probably afraid of 1111 2222 1111 2222. It has potential to be genuinely turbo fucking awful once you've had your hands on it and the flashy stuff wore off so like a week later or something.Only one way to find out cuz it's going to depend on how they design them.
>>739125239Materia needs to be changed to be actually meaningful.>make attacks have a chance of hitting twice>make attacks deal a portion of damage as elemental>successful parries using applicable skills grant you an attack or defense buff>blocking reflects a portion of damage back to the enemySo much interesting shit they could do instead of +stats
>>739125760Weren't suggestive portraits bannable or something?
>>739125545The only real difference between jumping onto a storage crate with a jump pad and walking three steps up a slope in terms of z-axis mechanics is you don't get a little pseudo-cutscene of jumping up there with the slope. This game does track your z-axis position, otherwise flying doesn't work. There's not a lot of practical benefit to getting train levels of autistic about the z-axis in raid design without basically arguing people want to hide behind hills to ignore some raid mechanics.
>>739125523They mentioned they turned them off for both player and enemy for that demo
>>739125830they are, but you have to get reported for it. that particular one was banned
>>739125714IIRC ARR and EW artifacts got their materials updated, Dragoon's SB artifact TECHNICALLY got updated because Estinien is wearing an exclusive updated versionA lot of them don't look *as* nice as PLD because their material updates in general don't look *as* nice
>>739125859They didn't say anything about it
>>739111564>Job action skins to unlock new animations for job abilities to customise itSurprised more people aren't talking about this more. This is the entire category for SMN to get alternate summons than just Ifrit/Titan/Garuda.
>>739111564>>guy who made all the electrope is part of an organization working for an ascian named Halmarut>>this organisation called the Winterers know that without hydaelyn and zodiark the shards will naturally rejoin like a wound healing but will reset the world to how it was millions of years ago before man existed>each is running a doomsday scenario to ensure only their people surviveIm so confused.I could have sworn the lore was that rejoining only happens when Calamities start. Which was why the Ascians were hellbent on causing chaos on other shards. Now the lore is they just naturally rejoin without Venat and Zodiark?So the Ascians literally won...Are we the bad guys now for going to places and fucking up everyones doomsday plan that "ensures" their people survive the rejoining?Also I don't understand the making of the Key of Azem since Ascians could all teleport willy nilly wherever they wanted in the first place. Unless the key was made AFTER the original world split
If the DPS are like Evolved DRG but are also different so as to avoid sameness pitfall, then everything will be a-okay. Even if everything sucks, DRG looks good, and so I'll just play DRG.
>>739125775People that want specs are silly, jobs themselves are specs in their larger role.
>>739125223This is where the limiter would be good I feel like raising should be the healing jobs specialty and RDM and SMN should get charges with lower manacost atleast in a raid/content setting out in the field yeah raise till you drop.
>>739125743Of course he can't
>>7391252562 > 4 > 3 > 5 = 1 > 6
>dumb>fit>strong griptell me how lyse wouldn't make a good bimbo wife for the wol
>>739126027tits too smol
>>739125978You can feel that way, I just disagree, and if rezzing is changed in any way I'm going to have to think about finding a new main because I play RDM primarily to be able to save myself unnecessary wipes.
>>739125456I'm okay with the whole intro to moves thing so long as it's a bit more randomized in appearance. I really enjoy in the Shinryu XI raid fight it starts with radiant breath to get people to jump down to the lower floor, but if people jump back up after it can keep doing the top floor without doing atomic tail. Had a run where it did like 4 breaths and only one tail. You should be able to intuit by level 100 content that there would be a bottom floor hit so it's less of a deal.
>>739126061we were ROBBED
>>739125743Yeah, BRD is a nu-SMN reskin
>>7391252561 or 3. Not a fan of the puffy shoulders.
>>739125949It's the same logic by which Hydaelyn and Zodiark themselves operate, without them around their grip on reality doesn't exist anymore and things slide back to where they were before, very literally in the shards' case because Hydaelyn isn't alive to keep them separated>Are we the bad guys now for going to places and fucking up everyones doomsday plan that "ensures" their people survive the rejoining?That seems to be Halmarut's angle>Also I don't understand the making of the Key of Azem since Ascians could all teleport willy nilly wherever they wanted in the first place. Unless the key was made AFTER the original world splitAzem is described as having told both Hydaelyn's faction and Zodiark's faction to fuck off and deciding what he was going to do about the Final Days on his own, he's also characterized as a keikaku lord in Pandaemonium (predicted his own reincarnation time-traveling backwards to help) so he may genuinely be thinking five steps ahead of everybody else in the settingAscians can teleport and travel through shards because they're disembodied souls and this has its own drawbacks and restrictions, including not being able to actually linger around in soul form on a world for very long without being drawn into the local Lifestream, they need a body to inhabit and if they can't find one they instead park themselves in a Crystal of Darkness until either a body presents itself or they can fuck off back to the Interdimensional Rift where they won't get drawn into the Lifestream
>>739126027SE couldn't have been more blatant with what happened up there
>>739117816the sparkle spawn really makes it feel extremely fake and gay.no other mmo I know is so anal about that.I could understand if its summoning some named quest npc to kill but when its some get three boar asses daily why cant I just kill the boars in the territory that are already spawned for it?
>>739125256Endwalker's far and away, perfect setI will say though I like the hustle of the Virtu set being colored to more resemble the FFXI Duelist's set
Fucking Crystal Tower, burn that shit down.
>>739125783>get cinematic camera angles back now that the faggot theater loser got switched outIMAGINE BEING HIROI DAICHI THE FAGGOT
Not gonna lie, I'll be tempted to make a little green goblin Lalafell when the color wheel comes out.Kinda cringe though. Maybe I'll settle for a blue Xaela instead.
>>739125256Surprise you didn't include the Windurst caster gear.
>look up evovled DRG>massive damage boost for hitting positionalWhy?Raids aren't designed for players to hit all of their positionals even with true north.
>>739125256Hat from 5, Chest from 4, Gloves from 3, Pants and Boots from 2.
>>739126457>noooo not that kind of grindlmao shitters are never happy
>>739125256I don't like any of them, but if I had to I'd pick EW's
>>739126557Others adjust.
>Blue Heavens of Ishgardpffft>Liberators of the Crimson Lotusoh no no no no noJet-Black Villains HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>739114594You are retarded deadmines is a fucking lame training wheels dungeon for babies.the best dungeon in WoW history is Blackrock Depths. Tons of branching paths and events and reasons to return. Relevant for professions and endgame attunements.In Ragnarok its Glastheim. in XI its Castle Zvahl.YoshiP is a hack.
>>739126557DRG's jump has built in True NorthWatch the whole thing, you dingus
>>739126572NTA, but I liked EW's pure Tomestone "grind"Personally, I think all relics should be the same as Eureka's, but failing that, I like EW's Tomestone slop the most.
>>739126572I would be fine with grind if I got raid that is not Crystal Tower, but that's all I'm getting.
>>739114594>Deadmines is still the best MMO dungeon ever madeMMO players being a bunch of autistic niggers doesn't mean that a cattle chute is a good dungeon design
>>739126643>DRG's jump has built in True Northso again, whats the point of positionals?
>>739126643NTA but when I watched it seemed to me like you had like 2 (iirc it's been a few weeks) jump charges on a 30 second cooldown per charge. So it's not like you won't have to do positionals, and it's not like you can hold jumps for the true north factor either because they are a part of core.
>>739126869illusion of difficulty
>>739126872>So it's not like you won't have to do positionals, and it's not like you can hold jumps for the true north factor either because they are a part of core.So unless it just so happens by coincidence that you actually needed true north right when you were on the jump part of the rotation, then it will likely go to waste.
>>739114594For what it's worth, I mostly agree with this guy: >>739126629>the best dungeon in WoW history is Blackrock Depths>in XI its Castle Zvahl.Best WoW dungeon is definitely BRD. What this doesn't tell you though is that back in the day, BRD used to take like an hour to get enough people for, and everyone back then was not only retarded, but they also clicked their abilities and had horrible computers. So you spent an hour trying to get enough retards to go to BRD, then you spend THE ENTIRE REST OF YOUR NIGHT going through the dungeon because it was so large and no one really knew where to go. People would normally hit a couple bosses, like the 7 dwarves or the Barman Shanker bar people. But if you wanted to go in there and get lost it could take the entire day and that was really cool back then. I'd never want that today, ever, but it was really kino back then. I prefer XIV's dungeons nowadays. Castle Zvahl is good too, but I think I like the bird people dungeon more. I don't even know why. I just really liked the bird people dungeon. Can't remember what it's called. The one where you have to type passwords into a trap door. That one was cool. That was the first time in XI where I went and explored just because I wanted to. I just grinded there until I could kill everything because I liked it. I did Zvahl after that dungeon, and it was cool, but I dunno I just liked the bird people one more.
estinien and crystal tower prove side quest hell doesn't matter, you just need a writer who gives a shit
>>739126629only people that didn't play vanilla wow think BRD is a fun dungeon. there's a reason people spend 15 levels in scarlet monastery and only do BRD for savage gladiators chain and attunements
>Uldah>can't even find a seat emptyIt's so nice seeing even the least favorite city completely occupied.
>>739126872>>739126978Make true north a stack buff. It doesn't get consumed when you do the positional right. It gets consumed when you do it wrong to fix it. And make the buff last as long as you're in combat. Problem solved. You can jump when you need to. You can do positionals when you can. And when you can't, the jump true north will kick in.
>>739124186>i want to lose white magic and quintessential job identity because MUH DAMAGE MUH NUMBERS BROGet off RDM you retarded faggot.
>>739125456I'm going to assume that they're using Another Merchant's Tale as the framework for raids, and there they the used advanced mode to introduce mechanics that became fully formed in criterion. I'm hoping the new middle difficulty will have all the slow introductory mechanics, and savage will start right away with the full versions.
>>739127072>only people that didn't play vanilla wow think BRD is a fun dungeon.I played vanilla WoW and BRD was my favorite dungeon. See: >>739127006I did like Deadmines, but I wouldn't say it was a favorite. Another one I liked was Maraudon, but that's just because I thought it was pretty. It wasn't anything to do with the dungeon itself.
>>739127080you could just remove the positional and have the same outcome
>>739126027WoL needs someone smart to balance out their dumb goku brain
>>739126869You can use the jump's TN on at most 50% of your positionals. The other 50%+ you will have to hit if you want optimal damage.
>>739126978>the jump part of the rotationIt's a cooldown with stacks, so you can hold one to use as TN. You have control over both when you do the jump and when you do the positional (within some time limits).
>>739124186>Will we lose Verraise ? Honestly I wouldnt mind it because I want to do more damage.anon the entire point of red mage lore is to balance magic so that the 6 umbral calamity doesn’t happen again
>>739127080What about leaving it be and actually being rewarded for playing well or having a game where boss positioning actually matters?
>>739127204You'd still be doing positionals more often than not. In your regular rotation you'd be on the positionals. The stack buff would be there for the few times where you wouldn't be able to. And if that happens to be often enough that you can't generate enough stacks with jump for then you'll start to lose damage.
So will tanks ever need to do anything apart from pressing defensive cooldowns?
>>739111394Every job is being pruned and turned into a braindead lego block simulator I.e. summoner and to trick the double digit IQ masses into accepting it they masterfully rebranded this enshittification as “Evolved” and it’s working flawlesslyIn 2 years the whining about every job being completely braindead with zero skill expression will be the main discourse surrounding evercold. Screenshot this post
>>739125728I have no comment on materia, its uninteresting and bad design. This game is coping about being an RPG in the first place.The rotational cadence has nothing to do with raid design. Watched Evolved DRG to confirm. DRG is 3 jumps, 20s recharge. Using 3 lets you use Giers. DRG is on a 60s cycle to 'unlock' burst. This is a 'standard' 3GCD opener. PLD is 3GCD.Your argument is that without aligned burst, they will do something different. My argument is that burst alignment has never prevented them from doing anything interesting: they choose to be boring. Shinryu Unreal is more interesting to reclear then the entire current Savage tier. This is because they IGNORE the rotational cadence to enforce mechanics. There are personal choices to be made. There is optimization around how you move. This is good design and makes me excited for the future: but I would point it out it was entirely possible within the current paradigms of their fight design (M6, M10, M11). They choose to design fights in this manner, it has nothing to do with 2min.The hardest mechanics are executed during a 2 minute window. P5 Omega dodges is an example. If jobs still have 'burst', and we are still designing hard content, why would the mechanic not still go when jobs are using the most buttons?>This is sort of a shitposty spin on why people in general are eager for the Evolved changes implying that pretty much half the game is being remade.DRG's Sky High will almost inevitably be a DPS loss as it is a long, channeled ability. There's not really a way around it. This means its only use is pure utility, which is good. This also means that 2T is dead. Shirk the DRG, DRG holds Sky High. If DRG has Sky High NIN likely has Perfect Dodge. Rotate between the two for TBs. It'll be the most aggro management the game has had since Heavensward. I am skeptical on this remotely changing fight cadence because the game has designed fights in this manner for over 10 years.
I cant decide between maining GNB or DRK. someone help me
>>739127431they also need to press shirk and swap the boss aggro between themselves sometimes
>>739127291It's probably going to be optimal to dump charges within some self-buff window. Party buffs may be getting gutted but jobs can still have their own self stuff on different cooldowns.
>>739127006BRD had targeted runs too. Not every group aimed for the final boss. The level differences between entrance and mobs at the very end already divided some parties.And FFXI major dungeons are generally all very cool and complex and give you a reason to revisit them which is dope.Like often you'd visit a place the first time and then way way later you get some quest to go down there again but this time you reveal some extra layer of it with new mobs and rewards.The turtle place with the upper and lower layer was cool, the undead place with the holes in the ground and the gates was good, that one dungeon where you have to put party members on a switch to open a gate which directly cucked solo heroes was good.All these places were cool because you had to visit them for more varied reasons than just exp or continuing the story. Thats another thing thats entirely missing in FF14.>>739127072well thats just wrong.
>>739127448run DRK just to healers’ seethe
>>739113626Ben star's character
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6lhJg7TUK4Shes so hot
>>739113773remind me why he turned into Griffith again
>>739127635He finally turned into a full fledged light warden
>>739127563https://youtu.be/ng3WSPZBi3YI wanna run DRK cause of this mod
>>739127431Not until the entire encounter design philosophy changes, no.
>>739127494>BRD had targeted runs tooYeah, I know I mentioned them. >And FFXI major dungeons are generally all very cool and complex and give you a reason to revisit them which is dope.That's not how my brain works though. When I got to Delfkutt's Tower the first time, I got to the massive jump in levels of the mobs on the top floor, and I grinded the lower mobs until I could start killing the roaming bats and then I could start killing the ogres on top. Same with Castle Oztroja (looked it up), there is a big jump in the last rooms, but I just grinded until I could kill them. Zvahl I think I didn't do any grinding but I did do some exploring where you like drop down those cylinder places and go kill the named demon things. That was cool. I wasn't a fan of the turtle place though. I thought the silence or whatever it was was annoying. I was even DNC so I didn't really have to deal with it and I still thought it was annoying. Also I didn't get gate cucked, I used a guide to buy some sand or some shit, and I think I already coincidentally had 2 of the stones or sand or whatever that you needed to replicate party members if you were solo. >Thats another thing thats entirely missing in FF14.Yeah, that's not really a sense of exploration in modern MMOs, but I don't even mind that. I think there's a time and a place for that, and we are no longer in that era. I'm glad XIV doesn't have a BRD. I do think that Deep Dungeons are a huge wasted potential though. Instead of just bare bones room layouts they could randomize "dungeon" creations and you could get things like Zvahl or Oztroja or whatever, but then since it's not just a simple layout maybe that'd fuck with the time and preestablished formula.
>>739114010>Dragon the jump class gets more jumps and gets rid of that shitty dash>They still don't have an identity Bet you can't picture an apple in your head.
Will we get a comfy bow I dont like BRD doing 0 damage
>>739127635In FF12, Cuchulainn was originally an angel given to the world to eat and purify sin, but the gods underestimated how sinful mankind was and he was quickly became corrupted into a disgusting filth monster. Vauthry is also a sin eater, but he never ate any sin. He was corrupted in the womb through no fault of his own and all his behavior as an adult was driven by the light inside him. He was truly innocent, so he grew into the angel Cuchulainn began as.He even does Cuchulainn's ultimate ability as he transforms, with his back splitting open and the blades/claws emerging.
>>739125231damn bro, I play WHM and just about always get commendations even when I fuck upyou must be doing something fundamentally wrong or you're ugly as fuck
>Off tank will focus on reducing damageSo what's shield healers job now? Being redundant?
>>739109251It's funny that raiders bitched about buffs causing the 2min meta, and no one liked it so now they're going back to sovl
>>739128265With how many shields and DRs and regens we've seen just on those few evolved jobs bosses are gonna have to be shitting out buckets of damage.
I raidlog and I like the moving away from the 2 min meme
>>739128401I mean I hated the idea of simplifying everything since ShB
>this is your son>*autismal screeching*DT writing is so bad, man.
>>739109251Golbez really did it...he freed us from the wheel
>>739128401>moved away from 2 min meme>just to enforce a 20s meme
where can i get those paid VFX mods for free.
>>739125949This actually makes perfect sense. Since all the worlds got split apart, once they merge back together by themselves, they won't transform into a beautiful magical garden-paradise where nothing bad ever happens. They'll revert to being primordial soup. The kinds of rejoinings the Ascians initiated were extremely carefully planned out and calculated actions, aimed at introducing just enough aetherial imbalance to tip the scale towards a specific element, to bring it in through the barrier, one shard at a time into the Source, while simultaneously preserving it as it is, for the most part. It's why all civilizations of it, even though wrecked by every rejoining, still possessed a continuous history. There never had been a total wipeout event, which is what an uncontrollable rejoining would have been. Think of it like refilling a bucket of water by pouring water from smaller vessels into it, instead of taking one equally-sized, filled bucket and then overturning it above another. There'd be a pretty big mess left on the floor after that.
>>739126538I'm just gonna use it to make carbon copies of existing FF character color schemes. Maybe get the exact shades of colors from FFXI characters.
>>739128563At least I won't have to be a buff bot for other jobs to perform better. All I have to do is worry about myself now.
>>739127947The things you did sound like they happened on later patches. That was not much of an option when these dungeons first came out. No player replacement dust and just massive giga grinds to get to the higher level tiers.And the closest thing to old MMOs I have experienced in FF14 is Bozja. That one even has FFXI like enemy attributes like aggro based on sound.I think the whole open world should function like something like Bozja.I havent tried the DT version yet.
>>739127436jobs are already braindead with zero skill expression I'll take the keybind pruning, thank you.
sex with Khloe Aliapoh
>>739126557>Raids aren't designed for players to hit all of their positionals even with true north.And now they can be. Duh.
>>739128561slutty vizzer arc?
>>739111564Holding Halmarut close and sensually licking her sweaty body.
>>739128732>And now they can belol
>mfw you'll be able to make your lala pitch black skin with yellow eyes
>>739127563PLDs make me seethe as a healer the most I don't even know why, they're the most difficult tank to heal for some bizarre reason, if they pull some fucked up w2w I start getting nervous but if it's any other tank job its chill
>>739113701>why was it in the game for like 10 years?It wasn't, secondary
>>739128825there's gonna be a lot of goblins and yordles when the skin color change comes in
>>739128763you can't lick her body while holding her close anon, the logistics of that just don't work out
>>739113701extreme complacency.
>>739128401It was incredibly retarded change, buff aligning became even more important and the punishment for drifting became severe.
>>739128713>zero skill expressionI don't think you've actually played this game because if you spend 5 minutes in literally any content you'll see several people doing so bad it will immediately disprove your statement.
>>739127563Gunbreaker has the give your healer a heart attack button
Stopped in to check the hunt vendor for glams and I'm reminded that the Indian zone literally has an area called mega doodoo
>doomers still trying to doom>when they were trying to take credit for the EC changeslove to see it
>>739114891People enjoy positionals for the wrong reason, e.g., number padding autism, not actual gameplay, because there's ZERO feedback; you don't get a cool effect or noise or anything. It's just busy work.
>>739129068this nigga cant read
>>739129060Not anymore lol
>>739129076
>>739123418>>739123490>>739123579Every femroe every time
>>739128789You can be pessimistic and think nothing will ever change, but it isn't like it has ALWAYS been this way. The game was very different in ARR and HW. EC fights will be built with the new systems in mind, without waiting for you to do your burst windows, and tuned for all the other shifts in class design. That's the whole point.
>somewhere along the way having concerns or criticism about something became reduced to just shitposters calling you doomerI feel like this place gets worse with every passing year.
>>739127443>The rotational cadence has nothing to do with raid design.Then you're an idiot if you think there's no link, I can't be polite about this. Normal GCD combo skills are filler combos between burst skills and raid buffs, Red Mage and Black Mage got rotational changes to accommodate M5S through M8S (more specifically Red Mage can perform its sword combo at distance because muh uptime and Black Mage lost the last vestiges of its Enochian timer), raid bosses sit with their thumbs in their asses at the beginning of every encounter so you can get your opener off.>Shinryu UnrealYou're pointing to an upscaled fight that was designed at a time where Heavensward sensibilities were still in effect, up to and including Warrior getting a self-Esuna for Berserk that they didn't need because Inner Release didn't self-inflict Berserk's downsides.You're blind, so blind that you think utility changes, no buff meta and enormously different job priorities to now will have no effect on general PvE design, that it *can't* somehow.
>>739129068Not just any area. Megadoodoo is the ROYAL PALACE.
>>739129191i asked. and now i'm asking another questionWhat did you do in FFXIV today? i totally beefed a tower of zot
>>739124660People are coping if they think this will changeYou already have 2m windows during major mechanics a majority of the time right now
>>739113848why would the devs care about addon creators they dont even support?and someone would just make another ACT in a minute. damage parsers are no big deal at all.
>>739129196>homestuck femroe is a trannyImagine my shockAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>739128667>At least I won't have to be a buff bot for other jobs to perform better.anon I...
>mandervilles are parasitic spacefaring lifeformswhat the FUCK
>>739128825True Vivi mode, finally.I bet pitch black won't be an option, though. It would be too easy to blackface with bright red lips. They did use wording to imply there is some limit to the color range.
>>739129332keep going anon it gets even weirder
>>739129228https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a_hit_dog_will_holler
>>739129269
>>739129296Yeah I don't know what was up with yoshi and koji going like "bosses have to stop every 2 min for your burst" meanwhile fucking tyrant doing meteors on the 2m window literally 5 minutes before I started watching the stream.What game are they playing?
>>739129201The idea that the game is currently like this because of job design and not retarded playerbase is hilarious.
>>739129335Maybe they'll let it since the game does already use pitch-black NPCs for a few things, the biggest one is Fray to make it look like he's a pair of eyes in a helmet.
>>739129015Let me give you an example of what skill expression looks like>pulling colibris>puller accidentally pulls a wivre>healer is paying attention so right before the wivre gets to camp but right as the current colibri dies they drop a curaga bomb while next to the party>all the aggro the healer gets doesn’t matter since the bird is dead>party is refreshed and ready to fight new tough mob with zero aggro on the healerThis is FFXI, show me how you can do something like that in FFXIV. You can’t. Because there is no skill expression, there is no different way you can push your buttons.
>>739129458See >>739129015You need to actually play the game. Like, queue for any roulette. I don't know. Open your eyes.
>>739129386They're playing the game where they said they were gonna fuck around with fight design during Dawntrail after 7.0 and then they did that, so now we have people thinking there's no indication of Evolved having a knock-down effect on raid design while they're neck-deep in changes oriented towards Evolved
>>739129458>Elemental Seal>Sleep
>>739129319Preachbros...
>>739128569Nowhere now that coomer.party is gone and took Unvaulted with it
>>739129326What... As a rpr or mnk, am I still gonna be a buff bot...
>push a heal>wow so skillful
not getting an ounce of hype out of me until they prove their doing something with the totally fucking dead overworld / zones to make the game not feel like a shitty queue simulator, and give healers more than a single button to press over 90% of a fights timeline.
>>739129196Hold on xisters I was told that hormone therapy turns you into a walking rape nuke.
>>739128720You can only sex Khloe for 1 gold certificateand you will NEVER get 3 lines
>>739129606Did you watch the WHM evolved thing? I didn't cuz I don't care for healers. But you seem to give a fuck so I'm curious what you thought.
>>739129414This. The amount of copium everyone is on with evolved is absurd. The fact is evolved REALLY exists because the vast majority of the playerbase is too low IQ to handle more than 4 buttons while doing mechanics. The mechanics, and fight designs, won't change. They'll be exactly the same just with babbytier rotations tso the average mouthbreather who plays this game can have a hope of clearing with near nonexistent friction.
>>739129606>their doing
>>739129721The main reason bosses do the "left cleave right cleave raidwide" thing at the start is going away anon-fampai
>>739129242After reading both of your postsYou literally didn’t say anything he didn’t already say or was clearly aware of.Not sure what your argument is, the last sentence in your post is x will happen “just because” without any actual explanation.
>>739129615If you're a brickhon on 2mg, yeah.Otherwise you just creep on children and start collecting pizza to feed your porn addiction.
>>739129708This post is tsundere asf lol. Its ok to like healers anon
>>739129812>it destroys your libido but also FOX News told me they're gang-raping pedophilesFascinating.
>>739129527I am not gonna bother giving you a serious response if your argument is just gonna amount to a generic “no u”.If I am saying that its because I played the fucking game and literally all the “skill expression” is tied to how well you know the encounter not the actual job itself
>>739129414That doesn't preclude the possibility of changing how fights are formatted to presume you have at least one melee that needs to get left/right positionals. If anything, that requires even less complex encounter design to allow that freedom.
>>739129792>he thinks this lazy ass dev team can innovate or changeLmao
>>739129892You can't read two sentences?
>>739129937so knowing the encounter doesn't count as skill, but knowing how to deal with a wivre add doesn't count as an encounter?
>>739129960>they just THEY JUST WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING OKAYBreathlessly arguing this while a massive shortening and reorienting of all PvE job design is staring everyone in the face funny
>>7391298922mg doesn't do shit, brickhon. Your endo is lying to you.
>asf lolWhat is this place becoming
>1/4 of the tread is doomposting>1/4 of the tread is shitposting>1/4 is avatar fag posting>the remainder 1/4 is talking about the gamewhy is /v/ like this?
I remember not unlocking my 2nd AoE attack as DRK until ~lvl72. I was literally hitting 1 button on pulls for multiple expansions.The "old way" can go fuck itself
>>739129949The only thing a boss has to do to accommodate left/right positionals is be a target you can attack. I dunno how this "requires" less complex encounter design to "allow that freedom."
>>739130101ong
>>739130127>dragoon not unlocking their area combo until strombloodi feel your pain
>there is no skill expression>I don't care that you see people all over the place on skill whenever you play the game and there are terrible people who perform like shit and people who consistently perform at the top 5% almost every time
>>739130134we're going to start encounter bosses that do not have a left or right side, only a back and front. 2 dimensional combat
>>739129949What, boss positioning in raids existed before ShB.
>>739130118The underlying gameplay of XIV isn't fun or satisfying, but people have a hard time recognizing this so they overanalyze and debate over any other system/component of the game endlessly trying to "diagnose" the primary issue with the game.
I'm gonna need cringe and gay posers to stop2m meta was a major facet of Endwalker, we had many varied CDs before thenUp into Shadowbringers, Dragoon had>90 second>120 second>180 secondBuffsThen Monk still had 90 second Brotherhood and Riddle of FireMonk even used to have a 45 second CD for Howling Fist in HW and SB, pure wacko and kino CD designWarrior's Inner Release used to also be a 90 second CDBard's 180 second Battle Voice and 80 second Raging Strikes?
>>739130259Turn 1 has significant boss positioning requirementsso the very first one
>>739130118I prefer Ryne and Gaia posting cause I like women
>>739130290And in raiding DRG was required to hold one of his CD's for 30 seconds anyway to fit in with the meta.
>>739129242Yeah man I'm sure they'll stop designing fights in the exact same way for the last 15 years because the rotation is now on a 60 second personal cycle instead of a 2 minute partywide cycle.You keep saying utility. What utility? Expedience being moved to BRD? What utility is on PLD? On DRG? Are you going to be pressing Sky High during UWU gaols? During TEA jagd dolls? During DSR P4 swaps? Are you going to be using it during M12S Idyllic Dream? How does the button MEANINGFULLY interact with FFXIV's fight design? The single usecase in normal gameplay, if it is not "DRG is getting tankbustered", is to eat multiple vulns in an extreme fight. That's it.If the opener is 3GCDs (which is not even that non-standard, as openers are usually 4GCD or 1GCD depending on the fight/P1 KT), why would the opening sequence of a raid not be the exact same? You are still going to have jobs with personal buffs. You are still going to want to execute high damaging abilities underneath your personal buff windows.What is preventing these mechanics from being during burst/filler? Those choices are developer decisions. If jobs will still have burst windows, and you still want to get your burst on cooldown as fast as humanly possible at the start of an encounter, which you will, as its a tab game, then you're not gonna believe what the start for every encounter is gonna be. You should be arguing that due to the burst being more personally sequenced (eg: DRG can do 3rd GCD geirs, then theoretically hold its second burst window for 20s, as 2nd jump is life surge and 3rd activates geirs), then they could theoretically introduce more hard DPS checks like the BJCC shield sequence in TEA, but I don't think you actually engage in enough content to have this discussion.If your argument is actually that fundamentally, all mechanics will be super different in Evercold for some reason, I think you're delulu. WoW has almost identical mechanics to FFXIV overall. Its a genre limitation.
>500+ posts of pure game discussionI'm proud of you /v/
>>739130456dooming isn't game discussion
>>739130450>You keep saying utility. you said it for sky high, idiot
>>739130134A position restricting mechanic lasting so long that a DRG's TN is on cd and still can't get into position again. Some shit like that.The started with> Raids aren't designed for players to hit all of their positionals even with true north.I just said they could now make the fights with that in mind. Pretty simple.
>>739129615hormones are complicated.the average roidlifter injects so much shit to kill some hormone production, then increase some other hormone production artificially and then keep other hormones down to prevent growing man tits.
smother me in lala thighs
>>739129892No one here watches the MSM, how fucking old are you? Is that you Sena, you faggot?I learned how they groom kids through pinkpilling from shiwi farms before I detached from it, the green reddit. Bathtub HRT for minors?I also remember seeing them rejoice and brag on actual reddit trans subs about jerking off in women's bathrooms as an act of defiance.
>>739129095They did say they'd add more feedback in EC
>>739128672>The things you did sound like they happened on later patches.Yeah, I played it after XIV. I was playing WoW's hayday when XI was in its hayday. >That one even has FFXI like enemy attributes like aggro based on sound.Yeah Eureka and DD are like that too. I think Eureka is supposed to be the real "XI" foray.
>>739130438that's called "sovl" sweetie
>>739130438Talking about nastrond? It was about You doing more damage and not someone else.
>>739130507There's so much Russian gopnik and American trailer trash activity surrounding tranny hormone therapy talk and research that it's sometimes legitimately difficult to tell who's actually talking about it and who's just seething, if it's not a link to a research paper and the author isn't a chiropractor who doesn't need a medical degree to have an office.
>>739130438Maybe at the end of the fight, you'd maximize uses otherwise
>>739130487Before NA woke up the thread quality was really high
>>739130026No nigger, the wivre add was a generic example of something that regularly happens in the game. Its tied to skill expression on the role of healer which is applicable to white mage, red mage, scholar and to a lesser extent brd/whms, blms, and smns because they can also do something like that if the situation calls for it.Knowing when to hold your burst cause the boss is about to go crazy is not a shining example of skill expression its very likely nobody will even notice it.
>>739130553the overworld has those aggro elements too anon
>>739130539>I learned how they groom kids through pinkpilling from shiwi farms"I'm not intellectually dishonest, I'm just dumb, SENA BRYER"
>>739130632No one does anything in the overworld though. You just run from quest to quest one time through the MSQ until you unlock flying and then never again.
>>739130290Hey thanks. You just reminded me how retarded Mnk is and its newer shenanigans with double lunar openers. You know, cause they designed its biggest hitting move to not align
>>739130608>people hate trannies because.... uhhhh.... DA RUSSIANS!!!!You're a fucking parody dude.
>>739130771You can't swing a dead cat in conservative spaces without running into Russian bots, that well is so poisoned it makes FF6 blush. Ask me how I know!
>>739130608you shouldnt mess with hormones.
I’m thinking of doing my 2 retainer a potato, I need inspirations, post yours
>>739130842Obviously no you shouldn't unless you're actually undergoing hormone therapy for one reason or another (not even specifically for gender stuff) but I'm talking about it being really fucking hard to research it or talk about it because there's so many bad actors.
>>739122002To be fair, everything on this site has been infested with cickshit
>>739130631so it doesn't count because no one will notice it?why on earth would a colibri have the party at a low enough hp that you'd need a curebomb to deal with a wivre? your shadows? at least 2 of your 6 party members will have some form of CCwhy is a white mage doing colibri anyway?
>>739130831I'd imagine you just take cues from Hillary and scream Russian at everything and then if someone tells you that you're retarded you just decide that denying it is actually proof of being Russian.Are tranny spaces also filled with Russian bots? Because everything I know about trannies comes directly from their own posts.
Always thought party buffs was lazy design anyway.Not the job, but the people that play them.Bitch (You) are the DPS, you do the damage. Why do I have to do my job, and your job for you?>Everyone does 5% more damage right now, but all that actually counts as my damageLazy PoS
>>739130701Pinkpilling is such a crisis that I'm seeing Youtube videos by LGB creators suggested that discuss it and call out how dangerous it is. This is not some conspiracy you groomer troon.
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