>go fast like it was advertised>take damage and dieThis shit was considered a series competitor to Mario? LMAO.
Find me one piece of advertisement in 1991 that told you to go fast.
>>739122538technically Bubsy was faster than both of them
>>739122538>go fast>get hit>grab ring>continue going fast
>>739122538You’re supposed to roll, dipshit.
also better platforming than mariomore interesting visuallyfar superior soundtrack
>>739122538>go snails pace for a bit>go too fast and hit something>snails pace againabsolute kino!!!
>>739122815>bubsy out of nowherethread saved
>>739122770Every television ad was about how fast and edgy the Sega Genesis was. That was the whole appeal of "blast processing." And every Sonic piece of footage and cartoon was about him moving fast.
>>739123521No, I don't care about your analysis. I said find me one (1) advertisement that told you to go fast in 1991's Sonic the Hedgehog for the SEGA Genesis.
>>739123927slogan is gotta go fast
>>739125913That was only for Sonic X in the early 2000s.
>>739123010>better than Mario>sonic is now a mockery of his former self>old games only fondly remembered for its musicyou are simply of lower quality as a living entity if you think sonic was ever good
>>739125913>B-but the s-slFind me one (1) advertisement that told you to go fast in 1991's Sonic the Hedgehog for the SEGA Genesis.
>>739122538>Gameplay close to that of seeing a todler running face first into a wallno wonder autistic fucks like this seriesalso wario did it better
>>739123927https://youtu.be/dKWdj14beLM&t=91Pick one. They all emphasize his speed>but they don't directly say you need to go fast to beat the gameIrrelevant. The marketing made it clear the appeal of the game was going fast.It's like a racing game with stoplights you have to abide by or get penalized. People will rightfully get disappointed.
>>739122538>take damage and dieUhhh, maybe git gud??
>>739122538skill issue
>>739123010>soundtrack That's giga cope, Mario music is he best in the industry, Sonic music pales in comparison
>>739126595>Pick one. They all emphasize his speedSo close, but I appreciate your effort. Emphasizing his speed as a character and the capabilities of the genesis =/= advertising blindly holding right
>>739122538It’s not Sonic’s fault that you’ve got shit reaction time.
>>739122538>jump like it was advertised>take damage and die
>>739122815Bubsy is also a retarded game that made no effort to adapt its gameplay to its speed. You give that game to someone like OP and he'll see no difference. Meanwhile, Sonic is a clever design with rolling hitbox and forgiving health system. Even if you don't have the levels memorized, you can roll to play it safe and you can still recover if your reaction speed falters.
>go fast like it was advertised>take damage and die
>>739128130Also the actually level design doesn't put enemies on flat terrain most of the time, they're always placed in areas where you're supposed to platform, or are otherwise naturally slowed down via a ramp that launches you into the air, giving you a moment to see what's ahead of you without forcing you to an abrupt stop. The actual fast parts of the levels are the 'put your controller down and watch the game play itself' moments where you're automatically propelled through loops, and these never have hazards or enemies in them.
>>739126294kek
>>739122538I went to a Sega kiosk in the mall in 1991 and they had Sonic and Mario World literally next to each other, asking us to compare. Sonic genuinely felt more compelling to my very young self. Kids' brains don't discern color palettes or audio fidelity very well, but motion is...reptilian, we can always judge challenge or visceral danger from how fast it moves.
>>739126294Wario is slower than Mario on average. Only land 4 is a little fast. But it's like moving 10mph instead of 4.
It's much better than mario.
>>739125913Only a thing for the dub for sonic x that only gained traction years after it came out
>>739126908Nobody listens to mario music outside of the games
>>739126294Donkey Kong Country is better than all 3
>Take damage and dieYou never played it. You have rings not health. You lose them all if hit and getting a single one counts as another get hit free card.It's like mario when he's bigger, except you can get that bigger back pretty easily. They aren't dependent on a relatively rare pickup. Rings are everywhere. You collect 100 for a life. You can collect multiple lives probably within levels. When you lose rings there are every one under a hundred bouncing around the screen everywhere.It is a good system, Sonic games are good games. The only good mario is SML2 6 golden coins. The only good nintendo game is OOT. Retro should of continued to work on Turok, but MP3 has good controls.Sonic was and is awesome, but only the Megadrive ones count. I haven't played much of the Adventure ones and after that it's too wtf and not some cool little blue thing breaking animals out of robot shells in a manufactured/weird in a good way world.Sonic was different. Like not at the end of itself. In concept maybe but endless world options maybe. It was cool. It was high tech. It was pretty. It was the future.Plumbers are awesome, the Mario Bros movie is awesome. Bing bing wahoo is annoying child lobotomisation.
>>739126294The only "todler" here is you, ESL-kun. Thinking Sonic games go too fast to control is a skill filter for casuals. Though I wouldn't expect a tendie to know that.
>>739122538>>739126294>filtered by rollingMaybe kirby slop is more your speed.
>>739126294>WHAT THE GAME EXPECTS ME TO GET GOOD AT IT?lol
>>739122538Sonic is literally an arcade gameYou're supposed to play it slow at first, then when you gather enough skill and knowledge in how to play you can go fast.Of course since the majority of videogames you play dont require you to actually play or perform without being hand holded, you will suffer.And thats the main issie with SONIC games:They truly let you suck as hard as you can truly do, no assistance from the game
>>739134060Bingo.Thats the main reason zoomies and shitters love Sonic 2, its the only classic game that lets you hold right to win
>>739126294Wait until you see kirby fansThey are stuck playing a franchise consisting of purely 5/10s or 6s and they think they are all 10s
>>739128187Boost2win garbage
>>739128463>or are otherwise naturally slowed downSuch as a rotating screw
>>739134674Wow just like the ones in mario
Step aside
>>739122538>Mario>SonicLmaoThe only meanwhile 2d platformers are>Rayman>DKC series>Dk 94>Yoshi's IslandSad to admit it but yeah
>>739134361>Sonic 2, its the only classic game that lets you hold right to wi-
>>739134502The sheer audacity of sanicfags to play the quality games card
>>739122538>This shit was considered a series competitor to Mario? LMAO.Kids back then saw sonic and thought it looked way better than super mario world, sonic was cool and mario was old and cocky
>>739135867Having 2/10s doesnt negate the fact it has 9s tooKirby has purely 5s and 6sAnd one or a few 4s
>>739135681>pictured>the only section in the game where you actually need to play, just to jump over the bug guyI wish I had my Aquatic Ruins zone, both acts in 30 secs webm
Sonic Mania was the first good 2D Sonic because of the 16:9 aspect ratio. Sonic Origins is also a good choice but hate the unlimited lives part.
>>739136723Mania still had a bunch of journos and faggots complaining about running into shit despite the better visibility.
>>739122538/v/ loves to pretend that old school arcadey games about mechanical mastery are the peak of the medium until sonic the hedgehog comes up and they have to get all contrarian about it
>>739137283What a platformer that actually lets you fuck up does to some people>>739136983Yeah specially like those ign reviewers that couldnt make it past a loop
>>739134502Shut the fuck up,asshole. I will not tolerate kirby slander. Superstar mogs your microgram shit
>>739137542>Superstar>7 mediocre ass games and Great Cave Offensive in 1!Lmao
>>739136582>it has 9s tooFeel free to name some.
>>739134502Kirby games at least function, sonic has games that do not work in both terms.If frontiers is "peak" sonic then the bar is low, a game like that should of been made during the 360 era and improved upon.
Pizza tower is basically 2d sonic done right. After playing it,I can only imagine troglodytes putting themselves in the sonic gulag.
>>739137713Sonic 3&KSexual Assault 2GenerationsManiaAnd if you arent a shitter Riders
>>739137904>Pizza Tower>2d SonicI love pizza tower, but its literally fast paced Wario Land Shake It!You dont aim for high score or points in sonic. (Unless you're Alex Yard)
>>739137881>Kirby games atleast functionAh yes the classic>I know chrono trigger is literally all style no substance but atleast it aint buggyLol
>>739137904Calling Pizza Tower a replacement for Sonic demonstrates an unfathomable lack of respect and understanding of game design, unfortunately it makes too much sense I see this comparison everywhere online.
>>739138040Yeah no kirby games are still 5/10's with the pink fuck and his copy ablity carrying the games scores up +4 and its so good at it mario had to copy it for its last 3d game. >chrono tigger now annon dont go playing limbo in hell now.
>>739138486>copy abilityMegaman did it better
>>739137908Good gamesNot exactly 9 material though
>>739138486As someone who loves Kirby anon is right they're 6/10 games, especially Kumazaki's output which is just superstar but worse over and over. Sakurai and Shimomura were the only ones with an interesting vision for the series and it's been a zombie franchise since amazing mirror.
>>739122538Why is it so hard for people to roll into a ball?
>sonic games bad>YEAH BIT WHAT ABOUT THESE UNRELATED FRANCHISES SONIC WAS NEVER COMPETING WITHEvery fucking time. Sonicfags can't take an L.
>>739138715Americans are already ball-shaped, they can't imagine it being something you have to do
>>739139063>the thread is literally about comparing Mario to sonic>NOO DONT COMPARE PLATFORMERSWhich franchise slander got you so mad sis?
>>739138658In modern standards?YesIn actually good standards?3K is possibly one of the top 10 2d platformers, dunno about Mania
>>739122538>play game enough to know level designs relatively well>get to keep speed going from start to end with small hiccups that are circumvented by ring pickupsImagine getting filtered by a classic era sonic game in 26.
>>739122538>like it was advertisedIt was never advertised that way. Ever.
>>739126294>autistic fucksLike anyone on /v/ isnt autistic already
>>739122538> devs call it Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition> players spend time preparing to livewho was in the wrong here
>>739126294To be fair, any game boiled down to its core its completely autistic behaviour>Jump around like a spastic fuck>Run fast smashing into everything>Check every single corner of every single map >shoot everyone in sight>mine dig mine dig ad infinitum>make your pets fight until they faint
>>739139141Cool but you left Mario behind and moved onto seething at other franchises lmao
>>739140152I just wish it wasnt so easy to trigger kirbyfags, whenever game quality is the topic of the discussion they just start shivering in fear no one mentions it.
Why is Sonic not as popular in Japan? I get that he was made to appeal to Americans but Sonic is cool, rebellious and super fast, don't Jap kids like that too? Did they just not advertise him as much
>>739140670Japs are submissive, subservient spineless twats that have to go drinking with their own boss after working 18 hours a day.They dont want to run free or express themselves, they just want to powerfantasy and feel strong
>>739140670Japs aren't degen furfags like disney-poisoned mutts are
>>739141143Bro they literally created Digimon
>>739141143Nigger, The God of Manga himself, Osamu Tezuka loved cute furry girls, I don't think thats the reason, I heard it was because the Mega Drive didn't sell super well in Japan
>>739126294>Wario did it betterHoly based.
>>739141232The series where final evos are almost always humankino?>>739141307Nigger, the man hid his smut because he knew it was niche as fuck.
>>739141464>the man hid his smutI don't think he was that shy about it...
>>739140812Isn't being able to run free kind of a power fantasy, too?
>>739141143>Japs aren't degen
>>739138689funny you bring up Shimomura considering his games are just worse gameplay wise. Though I guess that's why Kumazaki is a 6/10 since he took from both and rarely strayed.
>>739122538The early levels let you actually go fast. Then the later ones have so much unreactable horseshit that your best bet is to go slow and cautious. The ring damage system is also not the best. Makes it feel like there are no stakes most of the time, and if you actually die it’s even more frustrating.
>>739138305Now you understand why discussing Sonic with these midwits is impossible. To them, the only design factor they can comprehend about Sonic is "FAST". Apparently that's the only thing that makes something a Sonic game.
>>739141583If you have imagination.Which the average jap doesnt
>>739141847IMO Sonic is so much more defined by the jumping physics alone than anything else in the games but you never see that talked about.
>>739141656Simomura had a strong artistic vision for the franchise, Dreamland 3 and K64 are easily two of the best looking games on their platforms, Zero/Dark Matter is a compelling thematic antagonist and the recurring cast ought to consist of more than just Dedede and Meta Knight. Kumazaki is just trying to be Sakurai again.
>>739141532He published like one thing like that meanwhile sonicfags make furfaggotry their entire personality
>>739133381Sonicfags are so bitter lmao.
>>739141646They're degen for different things you dumbass
>>739142353>sonicfags make furfaggotry their entire personalityWAIT, It's like a mix of Shonen Niggers, Fujoshis and Gay Furries
>>739142185>the recurring cast ought to consist of more than just Dedede and Meta KnightAlright then how about a waddle dee wearing a bandana lmao
>>739142619ah i forgot about the oh so compelling bandana waddle dee....
Adult sonicfags will legit be like>oh yeah? well my games for 10 year olds are better than your games for 5 year olds KEKand make that their entire personality
>>739142353>furfaggotryBut its fine when>pokefags>undertalefags>indiefags>you do it tho?
>>739142690Everybody is better than kirbyfags, to be completely desu.Rubbing it into their face is overkill, but they need to know their place
>>739133381How are you supposed to know to collect the coins and they act like health?
Terrible, abysmal threadI wish we got another game like CD that doesn't hand out time travel like candy through setpieces
>>739142895No one knew, you has to call SEGA POWER to get that info
>>739123521That's no good.
>>739134584>boost like it was advertised>take damage and die
>>739142185>Shimomura had a strong artistic vision for the franchiseThat's my thing though the best he has is that vision. Cause actually playing them can be kinda middling despite the cool ideas. Like how especially slow Kirby can feel in those games and the occasional collectable being annoying to get for one reason or another.>Kumazaki is just trying to be Sakurai again.I always took him as more or less trying to appeal to both sides with rehashing Super Star gameplay with a new gimmick on top and then dripping feeding "lore" to expand the world with references to previous games. Is it stale? Yeah, I guess.Does it work? Also yeah.
>>739142895RTFM
People just want to fuck Big the Cat
>>739143502And the fact people keep acting like the decade of RtD rehashes was godly doesnt helpSpecially when triple deluxe was just RtD but singleplayer and worseRobobot was just RtD and Animal Buddies but worseStar allies was literally just the coop mode from the snes games but worse
>>739134502If Kirby is consistently 5/10 (fair), Sonic is consistently 2/10.
>>739143952Having dogshit and kino is better than being just slop
>>739144057Okay but where's the kino?
I wish I could say the only thing Sonic is good for is the porn, but it can't even do that right, 90% of the titilation in the series is a strange, non-reciprocal yaoi crush on sonic the game expects you to have, yet does nothing to inspire or foster.
Sonic is squarely furry (cringe), not furry (hot).
>>739142717>whataboutismI'm not going to list every single fandom, retard. This is a Sonic thread.
>>739144337>Thread comparing series>NOOO DONT COMPARE SERIESlmao, smartest kirbyfag
>>739142575Grim.
My girlfriend wanted me to watch Sonic X with her this month.It's surprisingly bad. Like, even for kid's shit. We watched Dinosaur King back in February, and Dinosaur King mogs the shit out of Sonic X
>>739143453Boost2die
>>739144106The cutscenes? People play Sonic for the story and characters, it doesn't have to prop itself on cheap thrills like level design like Kirby does.
>>739144395>you must compare every fandom to Sonic's or else my autism flares upYour life must be a drag if you can't survive without literally everything being referenced for you
>>739144456Sonic x is dogshit when its trying to do the og story (which is like 50% of the series)Then they get to the videogame stories and its alrightLike a 6/10
>>739122538>This shit was considered a series competitor to Mario?nobody on the nintendo side thought this
>>739144696Thankfully I got my slave (you) to reference it for me so I can keep shitposting at work.Thanks, your punishment today will not be as harsh
>>739144756>PLAY IT LOUD campaignLol
>>739144731The vidya adaptations that shove Chris in where he doesn't belong and play Live & Learn over a segment based on a SA2 deleted scene that was cut for being pointless and boring? Those adaptations?
>>739144615>The cutscenes?Sonic being defended as a moviegame series is certainly a new one
>>739144883Worked for chrono trigger
>>739144861Yeah, would you rather watch Steven Universe, Clarence, Adventure Time after it became a soap opera or that?
>>739144615>People play Sonic for the story and charactersI clapped when Big caught froggy again. I clapped.
none of the Sonic games are good.everyone either watches the Sonic cartoons, comics, movies, porn, or collects Sonic toys/merch.I've met more non-gamer Sonic fans than actual gaming Sonic fans.
Remember that time when Crossworlds threw shade at MKW and then promptly bombed
>>739122770
>>739144959The fact that you think this is all that's out there says more about you than anything else
>>739145102To be fair Crossworlds was better than MKW. The bar wasn't high, but Crossworlds did clear it.
>>739145172Nigga I am not the one watching slop with my gf>inb4 we watched demon slayer or some othee normie shit
>>739145103It says to THINK fast, not GO fast. It's telling you to git gud and react to the obstacles in your way.
>>739145218Yes we know you don't have a gf, kind of went without saying lol
>>739145102>>739145216Everyone and their mothers knew Mario Kart would sell better.It was still dogshit and everyone was pissedEven reviewers decided to give a sonic game a good review instead of the usual penalty for being Sonic
Only good sonic game is Sonic Rush adventure
>>739145275>Avoids the topicLmao and you argue like a woman tooLesbian relationship?
>>739145218>>inb4 we watched demon slayer or some othee normie shitI had us watch Gurren Lagann in March, Gurren Lagann absolutely holds up
>>739122538You're supposed to learn the levels so you can go faster. Then again we had attention spans longer than a Youtube short back then.
>>739141532I want a Mobian wife for the god's sake.
>>739122874Until you get to the stages with pits. Which doesn't take long.
>>739145371Way the fuck too easy, you guys are dogging on Kirby when Rush Adventure is literally the boost to win meme
>>739142353Did you consult with your wife child about this comment too?
>>739122538The funny thing is outside of the first stage sonic was NEVER about going fast.Stage 1 go fast.Stage 2 and beyond? Platforming. Very very slow platforming.Anyone whose played them should know this but most people refuse to accept it.
>>739145423LOOOOOL>dude fighting spirit>dude who the hecky do you think I am lul>dude boobies>dude messy rough draft art>dude no plot, only hype>dude le sad endingIt didn't even hold up back in its heyday
>>739145645Are you confusing me with a different anon?
>>739145713The only good part was the politics bit in the middle desu
>>739145713Shut your whore mouth
Bet you Sonic couldn't shit on 14 people, maybe 06 at best
>>739145819>>739145423So did you like the hamster turning into a hot lady?Hahahahahaha
>>739143612Well... He made his luck
>>739145423Fuck that other idiot with a shotgun.Gurren lagaan is solid gold from start to finish.Its one of the most accurate fictional portrayals of grief and best usage of threat escalation ever.
>>739145872You haven't even fucking watched it have you.Anyone that would call that ending sad hasnt fucking seen it.
>>739145713Yeah it's a bit cheesy, but still does some cool stuff. Plus it's kinda wild looking back at how much stuff copied or was inspired by it.
>>739146000Who called it sad?
>>739146052This 'un>>739145713
>>739146012Literally copied every mech anime before itEven Live A Live was copied by it
>>739146000>wife dies>semen stays alone foreverYeah nothing sad there
>>739146105That's nice. Gundam and digimon each had an entire anime season dedicated to riding TTGL's coattails.
>>739146081Answer my hamster furry question
>>739146105>Literally copied every mech anime beforeEhMoreso it copied Getter Robo than anything else. Which frankly I don't mind, more Getter Robo is great, especially in a nice, easily digestible pellet, since actually getting into Getter Robo is kinda difficult.
>>739146231>entire seasonIs this supposed to be worse than an entire series / brand?
>>739146240I honestly think it's kinda funny.They had the idea for this character in the episode 1 intro, then as the series was wrapping up, realized they hadn't actually added that character. So did it for like ten seconds, to get it over with. Never occurred to me that it was a girl, though, I always thought it was a guy.
>>739146275It really isn't. The comic is it's own thing, the spinoff comics done by others are their own thing, the original cartoon is its own thing, and the separate OVA cartoons are their own thing.
>>739146164Simon didn't cry like a bitch why are you reading a Wikipedia article about it and calling it sad.
>>739146304The point is it's a highly influential show.
>>739146389>it's not sad because..........the main character didn't cryThe absolute state of media literacy in this thread. Let me guess, you also can't tell the tone of a song unless there's lyrics.
>>739146365I got into it through shitty translation patch SRW games so that wasn't an issue for me specifically.But I've realized I have no idea what to tell someone who wants to get into it where to start, since most of the things you can get into nowadays assume you know at least some of it.
>>739128532Marble zone was great on PALhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi0mFh7Y1ro
>it's fine that we're obsessed with starting brand wars with everything because it's a Mario vs Sonic thread>now let me tell you about these random giant robot animesSonicfags trying desperately not to have to talk about their games again, I see.
>>739146465>cries about media literacy while criticizing something he never watched Go back to plebbit you faggot
>>739146485I just don't recommend things, people don't deserve kino if they're too dumb to know certain parts of a franchise are their own story.
>>739146164Not really?Like it could have been better, but, the entire point is something to the effect of being happy with good enough. Yeah, your wife's dead. But, tomorrow's gonna come. You have friends and family who love you, and things are overall pretty good. You might be able to do something to improve things, but that would be an unreasonable risk to everything else you've achieved. Being satisfied with something that's imperfect, but still pretty good, that's something good, I think.
>>739146605I can get that.For me it's more selfish, I like having people to talk about things with, and that's worth figuring out nice entry points and ways to make things more easily digestible.
>>739146687>being happy with good enough"So, whatever."
>>739145870FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU THIS ISN'T REAL YOU LYING BITCH
>>739146774Almost, yeah. Whatever, but optimistic.
>>739146551Kirby fags successfully derailed the thread to not be exposed as slop eaters
>>739146551Sonic surprisingly has alot of /m/ DNA(Mecha Sonic's Mono Eye https://xcancel.com/judy_totoya/status/1951147326879195321)(Super Sonic was gonna be inspired by Layzner https://xcancel.com/judy_totoya/status/2039683501415633331)
>Casually MOGGS bothPacman was the original gamming mascot before Gayario and Sonybroic
>>739147069I think Pac Man has had an even rougher game history than Sonic though
>>739146968I'm seeing that someone derailed the conversation but I don't know if it was kirbypedos >>739133684
>>739122538It's okay just grind each level 50 times because you can't afford another game and it might start to become fun
>>739147013>surprisinglyEggman literally builds robots all the time
>>739147140Anon discovers experimentation, exploration, trial and error and getting better at gamesI thought /v/ liked Touhou and Street Fighter?
>>739147213True, but I don't think most people would know some of these designs and concepts are from different anime
>>739138689Shimomura I'll give you, but Sakurai clearly lost his vision by the anime and has never recovered it.
>>739122538Skill Issue
>>739147360>3 cent ringDamn, that woman has no self worth.
>>739147360You can get quite far in Touhou without rote memorisation. That's saying something for a bullet hell STG.
>>739147734Touhou is also entry tier shmupPoint still stands
>>739147661Women have low self esteem which is why you should treat them nicer.
>>739147661I'd say thats pretty expensive for a chick
>>739148302That's because you have no life experience
>>739148729>Life experienceWhich dungeon gives that?
>>739148841Upper levels of the dungeon, above the basement
>>739122815James Pond 3 was faster than Bubsy
>>739149339No such thing exists.
>>739122538>take damageYes>dieNo. The ring system exists so that you're allowed to take damage without suffering too much because of it. It's why going fast works in Sonic (when the level design allows it) and why it doesn't in something like Bubsy (regardless of level design)
>>739142895Be jewish or black
>>739137976High score gives you extra lives in Sonic
>>739140812What about Jotaro Kujo?
>>739133629I follow this guy on Twitter.Inshallah, the blue rodent will hang for his crimes.
>>739122538>go fast>jump over enemy to avoid dying>go even faster>holy fuck this is amazing
>>739152497If you are good at sonic you dont need extra lives
>>739122538>Ads only show the first Zone because every other zone requires you platform at a snails pace
>>739152876and it could've been even worseLabyrinth zone was level fucking 2 at one point
>>739128130Bubsy had fucking fall damage
>>739122770>200 posts later and they still can't refute
>>739152863So why are devs giving you free extra lives? (It's because they want you to play around scoring)
>>739153326Extra lives are given for newer players to beat the games, as a reward for doing bonus zones, doing better times or combosHigh scores are an extension of that, playing for points now that you dont need lives.But since sonic doesnt have a high score tally or leaderboards its ignored.
>>739153568The classic ones clearly dontFrom SA2 onwards you get ranks****
>>739153568So you agree with me?
>>739144731Metarex saga was cool as a kid, does it hold up at all?
There is no good 3d Sonic game
>>739154064Literally no one gives a shit about score in the classic sonics
>>739155363I do
